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Tuesday, 17.01.2012.

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FM: Candidacy unlikely if conditioned with 1244

FM Vuk Jeremić says if UN Security Council Resolution 1244 on Kosovo is once again made a condition, it is unlikely Serbia will become EU candidate in March.

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lowe

pre 12 godina

"You are correct dear; the ICJ said that Kosovo UDI is in accordance with international law
(icj1, 21 January 2012 20:23)"

It was also a non-binding opinion.

Arber

pre 12 godina

Where's the problem? The EU itself uses the (internationally correct) wording:

"Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244 " on their website

[link]
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 January 2012 18:50)


___________

No problem as long as it does not say serbian province

an observation

pre 12 godina

That's correct, but not the complete story. As you mentioned above, "... the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo. " UN1244 is in force, the goal is not reached, so Kosovo's status is not final (unlike some people in the Pristina government claim). A self-proclaimed state doesn't equal an independent and recognized country. Yes, UN1244 "..has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity." Nobody wants to stop Kosovo as a 'free stading entity', the only problem is that Kosovo cannot be represented as a state, like other countries.

If Kosovo can be called 'free standing' when its an UN supervised territory and heavily depends on donor money, that's another question.
(Analyst, 18 January 2012 12:47)
The difference of opinion as to whether status is settled is merely that, an opinion.
True a self proclaimed state does not equal a recognized country, it is up to each country to decide if it recognizes the state and so far 80 plus countries do and disagree with your opinion on status.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo."
(an observation, 17 January 2012 11:41)

That's correct, but not the complete story. As you mentioned above, "... the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo. " UN1244 is in force, the goal is not reached, so Kosovo's status is not final (unlike some people in the Pristina government claim). A self-proclaimed state doesn't equal an independent and recognized country. Yes, UN1244 "..has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity." Nobody wants to stop Kosovo as a 'free stading entity', the only problem is that Kosovo cannot be represented as a state, like other countries.

If Kosovo can be called 'free standing' when its an UN supervised territory and heavily depends on donor money, that's another question.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"What Jeremic is saying is that Serbia could eventually accept K.independence since it is in line with 1244 as ICJ confirmed. No one is asking Serbia to revoke 1244. Kosova is independent because of 1244.
A dumb play from Mr. Jeremic for the masses.
(miri, 17 January 2012 15:53)"

Where did Jeremic state that Serbia could eventually accept Kosovo's so called independence? I know that's obviously what you would wish but I can't find anything that Jeremic said that would make this nothing more than wishing thinking on your part. Anyway his president has already stated that Serbia will not recognize "Kosova".

One more thing, ICJ did not opine, much less confirm, that "Kosova"'s independence is in line with 1244. What ICJ did was opine that Pristina's UDI did not violate any international law. There's a world of legal difference there, whatever your own wishing thinking (again) may be.

EA

pre 12 godina

"...and in face of huge pressures and criticism from inside and out, we have stayed consistent," said the foreign minister. The word consistent should be replaced with stubborn/mad. Important thing is that Serbia knows now what is at stake. Lost physically Kosovo and is prepared to lose EU as well. The problem with Serbia is it blames the other for its failed polititians whom haven't got the guts to tell the Serbian people the truth BUT just want to hang on to power.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

Where's the problem? The EU itself uses the (internationally correct) wording:

"Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244 " on their website

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/potential-candidates/index_en.htm

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Curious as to why you would think anyone would be "nervous" about 1244. “

No need for curiosity if you had bothered to read my post with more conscientiousness. I merely asked that if what Jeremic said was true (that some in the EU wanted to 1244 renounced), then what is the reason for this wish for 1244 to be nullified. If they were not nervous about 1244, would they have called for it to be renounced, as alleged by Jeremic?


“Also you are playing into the prop of the politicians. No one has said that Serbia has to renounce 1244 the resolution that protects Kosovo from Serbia.
Some way in the last few years the Serb politicians have gotten the blind sheep to believe that 1244 is the savior of the Serbian people, something that has amazed me from day one. So now all they have to do is say this is a threat to 1244 and the masses rise up. Apparently no one in Serbia has actually read the text of 1244 only the hype that it guarantees that Kosovo will always be Serbian. This in spite of the fact that it is plainly stated that the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo.
The easiest way for Serbia is to recognize Kosovo but all of the EU nations would be willing to move forward if Serbia would just drop its claims on Kosovo. It has no claim to Kosovo with 1244 and never will. Recognition is not necessary, but there is no pressure or conditioning on 1244 itself.
But back to people being "nervous" about 1244. Makes no sense. It has never stopped the recognition, it has not prevented countries from setting up relations, it did not stop the west from agreeing to support Kosovo in exchange for a period of "supervised independence". It has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity. Serbian threat of a boycott has caused them to sometimes make adjustments but they have never been forced by 1244 to do so.
What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo.
(an observation, 17 January 2012 11:41)”

So at the end of the day, you are saying that Jeremic is wrong to say that some in the EU wanted Serbia to renounce 1244 – okay, I can accept that that is your opinion. As your view that the “easiest way for Serbia” is to recognize Kosovo – well, I think you shouldn’t hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon because you would suffocate.

miri

pre 12 godina

What Jeremic is saying is that Serbia could eventually accept K.independence since it is in line with 1244 as ICJ confirmed. No one is asking Serbia to revoke 1244. Kosova is independent because of 1244.
A dumb play from Mr. Jeremic for the masses.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Also, 1244 states very clearly that Kosova is one custom unit , and any goods entering Kosova have to pay custom duties to Kosova government. Now, why all the bickering about custom issue?
(Kosova-USA, 17 January 2012 11:16)"

So are you saying that some EU members are worried about 1244 because of custom duties? Sorry but you will have to explain why before I'm convinced.

rote kapelle

pre 12 godina

Now that the EU is facing such radical challenges and the survival issues are on the agenda I do doubt Serbia should be so active in getting rid of the remaining political economical and other independence. I also have not enough imagination to understand under what circumstances Serbia can obtain this candidacy status. Seems like the current Serbian elites have no ad hoq songs and they keep on singing the old ones. Or they are just diverting attention of the electorate cause no achievements are reached and wrong staked had been done. The western allies just used Serbia and betrayed it as they always do with anyone weaker than they are.

ben

pre 12 godina

Jeremic you would be respected even more if you can explain us what happened to the revocation of the recognitions that you gloriously informed the us in your press conference: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=08&nav_id=76304

This is how credible you are. You are a joke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0DT5iv7jFs

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

"As the president has said, the condition posed in December (2011) was a condition Serbia could not accept - renouncing Resolution 1244. If the same condition is posed before Serbia again in March, I can say it is unlikely we will get the candidacy," Jeremić said appearing on the Radio Television of Serbia evening news Monday."

If what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm
(lowe, 17 January 2012 10:48)


Also, 1244 states very clearly that Kosova is one custom unit , and any goods entering Kosova have to pay custom duties to Kosova government. Now, why all the bickering about custom issue?

an observation

pre 12 godina

f what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm
(lowe, 17 January 2012 10:48)
Curious as to why you would think anyone would be "nervous" about 1244.

Also you are playing into the prop of the politicians. No one has said that Serbia has to renounce 1244 the resolution that protects Kosovo from Serbia.
Some way in the last few years the Serb politicians have gotten the blind sheep to believe that 1244 is the savior of the Serbian people, something that has amazed me from day one. So now all they have to do is say this is a threat to 1244 and the masses rise up. Apparently no one in Serbia has actually read the text of 1244 only the hype that it guarantees that Kosovo will always be Serbian. This in spite of the fact that it is plainly stated that the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo.
The easiest way for Serbia is to recognize Kosovo but all of the EU nations would be willing to move forward if Serbia would just drop its claims on Kosovo. It has no claim to Kosovo with 1244 and never will. Recognition is not necessary, but there is no pressure or conditioning on 1244 itself.
But back to people being "nervous" about 1244. Makes no sense. It has never stopped the recognition, it has not prevented countries from setting up relations, it did not stop the west from agreeing to support Kosovo in exchange for a period of "supervised independence". It has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity. Serbian threat of a boycott has caused them to sometimes make adjustments but they have never been forced by 1244 to do so.
What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"As the president has said, the condition posed in December (2011) was a condition Serbia could not accept - renouncing Resolution 1244. If the same condition is posed before Serbia again in March, I can say it is unlikely we will get the candidacy," Jeremić said appearing on the Radio Television of Serbia evening news Monday."

If what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

"As the president has said, the condition posed in December (2011) was a condition Serbia could not accept - renouncing Resolution 1244. If the same condition is posed before Serbia again in March, I can say it is unlikely we will get the candidacy," Jeremić said appearing on the Radio Television of Serbia evening news Monday."

If what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm
(lowe, 17 January 2012 10:48)


Also, 1244 states very clearly that Kosova is one custom unit , and any goods entering Kosova have to pay custom duties to Kosova government. Now, why all the bickering about custom issue?

lowe

pre 12 godina

"As the president has said, the condition posed in December (2011) was a condition Serbia could not accept - renouncing Resolution 1244. If the same condition is posed before Serbia again in March, I can say it is unlikely we will get the candidacy," Jeremić said appearing on the Radio Television of Serbia evening news Monday."

If what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Also, 1244 states very clearly that Kosova is one custom unit , and any goods entering Kosova have to pay custom duties to Kosova government. Now, why all the bickering about custom issue?
(Kosova-USA, 17 January 2012 11:16)"

So are you saying that some EU members are worried about 1244 because of custom duties? Sorry but you will have to explain why before I'm convinced.

an observation

pre 12 godina

f what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm
(lowe, 17 January 2012 10:48)
Curious as to why you would think anyone would be "nervous" about 1244.

Also you are playing into the prop of the politicians. No one has said that Serbia has to renounce 1244 the resolution that protects Kosovo from Serbia.
Some way in the last few years the Serb politicians have gotten the blind sheep to believe that 1244 is the savior of the Serbian people, something that has amazed me from day one. So now all they have to do is say this is a threat to 1244 and the masses rise up. Apparently no one in Serbia has actually read the text of 1244 only the hype that it guarantees that Kosovo will always be Serbian. This in spite of the fact that it is plainly stated that the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo.
The easiest way for Serbia is to recognize Kosovo but all of the EU nations would be willing to move forward if Serbia would just drop its claims on Kosovo. It has no claim to Kosovo with 1244 and never will. Recognition is not necessary, but there is no pressure or conditioning on 1244 itself.
But back to people being "nervous" about 1244. Makes no sense. It has never stopped the recognition, it has not prevented countries from setting up relations, it did not stop the west from agreeing to support Kosovo in exchange for a period of "supervised independence". It has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity. Serbian threat of a boycott has caused them to sometimes make adjustments but they have never been forced by 1244 to do so.
What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo.

rote kapelle

pre 12 godina

Now that the EU is facing such radical challenges and the survival issues are on the agenda I do doubt Serbia should be so active in getting rid of the remaining political economical and other independence. I also have not enough imagination to understand under what circumstances Serbia can obtain this candidacy status. Seems like the current Serbian elites have no ad hoq songs and they keep on singing the old ones. Or they are just diverting attention of the electorate cause no achievements are reached and wrong staked had been done. The western allies just used Serbia and betrayed it as they always do with anyone weaker than they are.

miri

pre 12 godina

What Jeremic is saying is that Serbia could eventually accept K.independence since it is in line with 1244 as ICJ confirmed. No one is asking Serbia to revoke 1244. Kosova is independent because of 1244.
A dumb play from Mr. Jeremic for the masses.

ben

pre 12 godina

Jeremic you would be respected even more if you can explain us what happened to the revocation of the recognitions that you gloriously informed the us in your press conference: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=08&nav_id=76304

This is how credible you are. You are a joke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0DT5iv7jFs

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Curious as to why you would think anyone would be "nervous" about 1244. “

No need for curiosity if you had bothered to read my post with more conscientiousness. I merely asked that if what Jeremic said was true (that some in the EU wanted to 1244 renounced), then what is the reason for this wish for 1244 to be nullified. If they were not nervous about 1244, would they have called for it to be renounced, as alleged by Jeremic?


“Also you are playing into the prop of the politicians. No one has said that Serbia has to renounce 1244 the resolution that protects Kosovo from Serbia.
Some way in the last few years the Serb politicians have gotten the blind sheep to believe that 1244 is the savior of the Serbian people, something that has amazed me from day one. So now all they have to do is say this is a threat to 1244 and the masses rise up. Apparently no one in Serbia has actually read the text of 1244 only the hype that it guarantees that Kosovo will always be Serbian. This in spite of the fact that it is plainly stated that the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo.
The easiest way for Serbia is to recognize Kosovo but all of the EU nations would be willing to move forward if Serbia would just drop its claims on Kosovo. It has no claim to Kosovo with 1244 and never will. Recognition is not necessary, but there is no pressure or conditioning on 1244 itself.
But back to people being "nervous" about 1244. Makes no sense. It has never stopped the recognition, it has not prevented countries from setting up relations, it did not stop the west from agreeing to support Kosovo in exchange for a period of "supervised independence". It has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity. Serbian threat of a boycott has caused them to sometimes make adjustments but they have never been forced by 1244 to do so.
What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo.
(an observation, 17 January 2012 11:41)”

So at the end of the day, you are saying that Jeremic is wrong to say that some in the EU wanted Serbia to renounce 1244 – okay, I can accept that that is your opinion. As your view that the “easiest way for Serbia” is to recognize Kosovo – well, I think you shouldn’t hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon because you would suffocate.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

Where's the problem? The EU itself uses the (internationally correct) wording:

"Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244 " on their website

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/potential-candidates/index_en.htm

EA

pre 12 godina

"...and in face of huge pressures and criticism from inside and out, we have stayed consistent," said the foreign minister. The word consistent should be replaced with stubborn/mad. Important thing is that Serbia knows now what is at stake. Lost physically Kosovo and is prepared to lose EU as well. The problem with Serbia is it blames the other for its failed polititians whom haven't got the guts to tell the Serbian people the truth BUT just want to hang on to power.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"What Jeremic is saying is that Serbia could eventually accept K.independence since it is in line with 1244 as ICJ confirmed. No one is asking Serbia to revoke 1244. Kosova is independent because of 1244.
A dumb play from Mr. Jeremic for the masses.
(miri, 17 January 2012 15:53)"

Where did Jeremic state that Serbia could eventually accept Kosovo's so called independence? I know that's obviously what you would wish but I can't find anything that Jeremic said that would make this nothing more than wishing thinking on your part. Anyway his president has already stated that Serbia will not recognize "Kosova".

One more thing, ICJ did not opine, much less confirm, that "Kosova"'s independence is in line with 1244. What ICJ did was opine that Pristina's UDI did not violate any international law. There's a world of legal difference there, whatever your own wishing thinking (again) may be.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo."
(an observation, 17 January 2012 11:41)

That's correct, but not the complete story. As you mentioned above, "... the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo. " UN1244 is in force, the goal is not reached, so Kosovo's status is not final (unlike some people in the Pristina government claim). A self-proclaimed state doesn't equal an independent and recognized country. Yes, UN1244 "..has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity." Nobody wants to stop Kosovo as a 'free stading entity', the only problem is that Kosovo cannot be represented as a state, like other countries.

If Kosovo can be called 'free standing' when its an UN supervised territory and heavily depends on donor money, that's another question.

Arber

pre 12 godina

Where's the problem? The EU itself uses the (internationally correct) wording:

"Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244 " on their website

[link]
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 January 2012 18:50)


___________

No problem as long as it does not say serbian province

lowe

pre 12 godina

"You are correct dear; the ICJ said that Kosovo UDI is in accordance with international law
(icj1, 21 January 2012 20:23)"

It was also a non-binding opinion.

an observation

pre 12 godina

That's correct, but not the complete story. As you mentioned above, "... the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo. " UN1244 is in force, the goal is not reached, so Kosovo's status is not final (unlike some people in the Pristina government claim). A self-proclaimed state doesn't equal an independent and recognized country. Yes, UN1244 "..has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity." Nobody wants to stop Kosovo as a 'free stading entity', the only problem is that Kosovo cannot be represented as a state, like other countries.

If Kosovo can be called 'free standing' when its an UN supervised territory and heavily depends on donor money, that's another question.
(Analyst, 18 January 2012 12:47)
The difference of opinion as to whether status is settled is merely that, an opinion.
True a self proclaimed state does not equal a recognized country, it is up to each country to decide if it recognizes the state and so far 80 plus countries do and disagree with your opinion on status.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

"As the president has said, the condition posed in December (2011) was a condition Serbia could not accept - renouncing Resolution 1244. If the same condition is posed before Serbia again in March, I can say it is unlikely we will get the candidacy," Jeremić said appearing on the Radio Television of Serbia evening news Monday."

If what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm
(lowe, 17 January 2012 10:48)


Also, 1244 states very clearly that Kosova is one custom unit , and any goods entering Kosova have to pay custom duties to Kosova government. Now, why all the bickering about custom issue?

lowe

pre 12 godina

"As the president has said, the condition posed in December (2011) was a condition Serbia could not accept - renouncing Resolution 1244. If the same condition is posed before Serbia again in March, I can say it is unlikely we will get the candidacy," Jeremić said appearing on the Radio Television of Serbia evening news Monday."

If what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm

an observation

pre 12 godina

f what he said is true, then one must surely wonder why some EU members are so nervous about 1244 ....... hmmmmm
(lowe, 17 January 2012 10:48)
Curious as to why you would think anyone would be "nervous" about 1244.

Also you are playing into the prop of the politicians. No one has said that Serbia has to renounce 1244 the resolution that protects Kosovo from Serbia.
Some way in the last few years the Serb politicians have gotten the blind sheep to believe that 1244 is the savior of the Serbian people, something that has amazed me from day one. So now all they have to do is say this is a threat to 1244 and the masses rise up. Apparently no one in Serbia has actually read the text of 1244 only the hype that it guarantees that Kosovo will always be Serbian. This in spite of the fact that it is plainly stated that the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo.
The easiest way for Serbia is to recognize Kosovo but all of the EU nations would be willing to move forward if Serbia would just drop its claims on Kosovo. It has no claim to Kosovo with 1244 and never will. Recognition is not necessary, but there is no pressure or conditioning on 1244 itself.
But back to people being "nervous" about 1244. Makes no sense. It has never stopped the recognition, it has not prevented countries from setting up relations, it did not stop the west from agreeing to support Kosovo in exchange for a period of "supervised independence". It has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity. Serbian threat of a boycott has caused them to sometimes make adjustments but they have never been forced by 1244 to do so.
What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo.

rote kapelle

pre 12 godina

Now that the EU is facing such radical challenges and the survival issues are on the agenda I do doubt Serbia should be so active in getting rid of the remaining political economical and other independence. I also have not enough imagination to understand under what circumstances Serbia can obtain this candidacy status. Seems like the current Serbian elites have no ad hoq songs and they keep on singing the old ones. Or they are just diverting attention of the electorate cause no achievements are reached and wrong staked had been done. The western allies just used Serbia and betrayed it as they always do with anyone weaker than they are.

ben

pre 12 godina

Jeremic you would be respected even more if you can explain us what happened to the revocation of the recognitions that you gloriously informed the us in your press conference: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=08&nav_id=76304

This is how credible you are. You are a joke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0DT5iv7jFs

miri

pre 12 godina

What Jeremic is saying is that Serbia could eventually accept K.independence since it is in line with 1244 as ICJ confirmed. No one is asking Serbia to revoke 1244. Kosova is independent because of 1244.
A dumb play from Mr. Jeremic for the masses.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Also, 1244 states very clearly that Kosova is one custom unit , and any goods entering Kosova have to pay custom duties to Kosova government. Now, why all the bickering about custom issue?
(Kosova-USA, 17 January 2012 11:16)"

So are you saying that some EU members are worried about 1244 because of custom duties? Sorry but you will have to explain why before I'm convinced.

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Curious as to why you would think anyone would be "nervous" about 1244. “

No need for curiosity if you had bothered to read my post with more conscientiousness. I merely asked that if what Jeremic said was true (that some in the EU wanted to 1244 renounced), then what is the reason for this wish for 1244 to be nullified. If they were not nervous about 1244, would they have called for it to be renounced, as alleged by Jeremic?


“Also you are playing into the prop of the politicians. No one has said that Serbia has to renounce 1244 the resolution that protects Kosovo from Serbia.
Some way in the last few years the Serb politicians have gotten the blind sheep to believe that 1244 is the savior of the Serbian people, something that has amazed me from day one. So now all they have to do is say this is a threat to 1244 and the masses rise up. Apparently no one in Serbia has actually read the text of 1244 only the hype that it guarantees that Kosovo will always be Serbian. This in spite of the fact that it is plainly stated that the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo.
The easiest way for Serbia is to recognize Kosovo but all of the EU nations would be willing to move forward if Serbia would just drop its claims on Kosovo. It has no claim to Kosovo with 1244 and never will. Recognition is not necessary, but there is no pressure or conditioning on 1244 itself.
But back to people being "nervous" about 1244. Makes no sense. It has never stopped the recognition, it has not prevented countries from setting up relations, it did not stop the west from agreeing to support Kosovo in exchange for a period of "supervised independence". It has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity. Serbian threat of a boycott has caused them to sometimes make adjustments but they have never been forced by 1244 to do so.
What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo.
(an observation, 17 January 2012 11:41)”

So at the end of the day, you are saying that Jeremic is wrong to say that some in the EU wanted Serbia to renounce 1244 – okay, I can accept that that is your opinion. As your view that the “easiest way for Serbia” is to recognize Kosovo – well, I think you shouldn’t hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon because you would suffocate.

EA

pre 12 godina

"...and in face of huge pressures and criticism from inside and out, we have stayed consistent," said the foreign minister. The word consistent should be replaced with stubborn/mad. Important thing is that Serbia knows now what is at stake. Lost physically Kosovo and is prepared to lose EU as well. The problem with Serbia is it blames the other for its failed polititians whom haven't got the guts to tell the Serbian people the truth BUT just want to hang on to power.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

Where's the problem? The EU itself uses the (internationally correct) wording:

"Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244 " on their website

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/potential-candidates/index_en.htm

lowe

pre 12 godina

"What Jeremic is saying is that Serbia could eventually accept K.independence since it is in line with 1244 as ICJ confirmed. No one is asking Serbia to revoke 1244. Kosova is independent because of 1244.
A dumb play from Mr. Jeremic for the masses.
(miri, 17 January 2012 15:53)"

Where did Jeremic state that Serbia could eventually accept Kosovo's so called independence? I know that's obviously what you would wish but I can't find anything that Jeremic said that would make this nothing more than wishing thinking on your part. Anyway his president has already stated that Serbia will not recognize "Kosova".

One more thing, ICJ did not opine, much less confirm, that "Kosova"'s independence is in line with 1244. What ICJ did was opine that Pristina's UDI did not violate any international law. There's a world of legal difference there, whatever your own wishing thinking (again) may be.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"What 1244 does do is allow NATO forces to prohibit any Serbian police or military action in Kosovo, allows for a independent political process free from Serbian interference, allows for border and customs controls.
So basically 1244 really only affects what Serbia can or cannot do in relation to Kosovo."
(an observation, 17 January 2012 11:41)

That's correct, but not the complete story. As you mentioned above, "... the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo. " UN1244 is in force, the goal is not reached, so Kosovo's status is not final (unlike some people in the Pristina government claim). A self-proclaimed state doesn't equal an independent and recognized country. Yes, UN1244 "..has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity." Nobody wants to stop Kosovo as a 'free stading entity', the only problem is that Kosovo cannot be represented as a state, like other countries.

If Kosovo can be called 'free standing' when its an UN supervised territory and heavily depends on donor money, that's another question.

an observation

pre 12 godina

That's correct, but not the complete story. As you mentioned above, "... the goal of the resolution is the determination of the final status of Kosovo. " UN1244 is in force, the goal is not reached, so Kosovo's status is not final (unlike some people in the Pristina government claim). A self-proclaimed state doesn't equal an independent and recognized country. Yes, UN1244 "..has not stopped regional meetings from accepting Kosovo as a free standing entity." Nobody wants to stop Kosovo as a 'free stading entity', the only problem is that Kosovo cannot be represented as a state, like other countries.

If Kosovo can be called 'free standing' when its an UN supervised territory and heavily depends on donor money, that's another question.
(Analyst, 18 January 2012 12:47)
The difference of opinion as to whether status is settled is merely that, an opinion.
True a self proclaimed state does not equal a recognized country, it is up to each country to decide if it recognizes the state and so far 80 plus countries do and disagree with your opinion on status.

Arber

pre 12 godina

Where's the problem? The EU itself uses the (internationally correct) wording:

"Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244 " on their website

[link]
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 January 2012 18:50)


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No problem as long as it does not say serbian province

lowe

pre 12 godina

"You are correct dear; the ICJ said that Kosovo UDI is in accordance with international law
(icj1, 21 January 2012 20:23)"

It was also a non-binding opinion.