“Both Kosovo and EU policy isn’t meaningless”

wasted words from our mighty defence minister!do you mind telling us just what the hell you have defended for serbia? you have degraded our military and want us to join the bombers!!its a toss up who is the bigger traitor you or tadic! get a job in germany working for your freinds in the waffen ss!! old skool serb george miletich

SuNATOvac's attempt at reciting the speech written for him by the us state department is both obvious and funny. Why doesn't the us hold that attitude at its southern border? But don't worry. Serbia can always get bailed out by Russia. Nobody will bail out the us - over $15 trillion and counting.

nik,

Albanians said that their problem was Milosevic, who didn't want to talk/negotiate. Now Milosevic is gone and Albanians should learn how to talk/negotiate with other Serbs.

“I will remind you that we have not had control over those hectares since 1999, we did not even have control of a good part of hectares inside Serbia until 2001,” he told daily Politika.

I must admire his courage for speaking the truth. Whether he survives politically or not just by telling as is, is a different matter.

“We need to be realistic. It is unbelievable that some only realized in 2011 that Serbia lost its sovereignty in Kosovo and Metohija in 1999. Still, we all agree on one thing, we will not recognize the independence..."

What nonsense! To realize a fact and not to recognize it, paying an obvious price for the no recognition makes no sense at all! A reasonable policy would be to name the price for the recognition: autonomy of the North, special status of the monasteries, equal rights of the people in the enclaves etc. Ten years ago the Albanians might have gone a long way to get Serbian approval for independence. In ten years time, who knows, may be nobody would care is Serbia recognizes Kosovo or not!

equal rights of the people in the enclaves etc
(nik)

What's the sense of paper equal rights of the people in the enclaves if in reality nobody wants/can provide security for them?

I quote -

BELGRADE -- Both EU and Kosovo policy has not become meaningless except in the minds of those who only focus on territories, Defense Minister Dragan Šutanovac has said.

I Comment -

Both You and Your Government will loose both EU and Kosovo.
You will see as the Selfdeveived Losers You are.

Arn.Sweden

I try and not use the word fool often, but Sutanovic would have to be one of the biggest I have come across in a long time.

We can solve his dilemma by packing his bags and having him move to the EU where the roads are paved in 18 carat gold and the sick are healed while the blind can see again.

What's the sense of paper equal rights of the people in the enclaves if in reality nobody wants/can provide security for them?
(aaayyy,

It is a vicious circle. The more Serbia vows never to recognize Kosovo, the more the Albanians see the very presence of Serbs in Kosovo as a threat. May be the sound Serbian stance at the turn of the century would have been: “Prove that you can tolerate the rights of the Serbs and we might give you the recognition.” It would have won more sympathies for Serbia then the obstructionist: “we will never ever…..

He is wrong about when Serbia first lost its grip on Kosovo. It started in 1974 when the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY) granted the Albanians the Socialist Autonomous Province of Kosovo. Serbia, including Kosovo, had existed in the SFRY as one of the Socialist Republics in the Federation. But under the Slovenian Tito, Serbia was carved up into three different areas, the Albanians were given Kosovo and Vojvodina was also made into a Autonomous Province. But autonomy wasn't enough for the Albanians. Soon after Tito's death, they started pushing for national independence, even before the SFRY was beginning to break up after the collapse of the USSR.

What's the sense of paper equal rights of the people in the enclaves if in reality nobody wants/can provide security for them?
(aaayyy, 15 January 2012 14:55)

Paper rights are a good first step. Let Serbia give to Albanians the same rights that Serbs have in Kosovo on paper - and Albanians might start to be convinced that forming a common country with Serbia is in their interest.

"Both EU and Kosovo policy has not become meaningless except in the minds of those who only focus on territories, Defense Minister Dragan Šutanovac has said. "

Yet, you focus on territories by continuing with 'both EU and Kosovo'.
You're just kicking the tire down the road.

Paul wrote:

"But under the Slovenian Tito, Serbia was carved up into three different areas, the Albanians were given Kosovo and Vojvodina was also made into a Autonomous Province."

Have you looked at the map of Serbia through the 20th century? Neither Kosovo nor Vojvodina were part of Serbia before 1912. Uhm... maybe that had something to do with it?

Paul wrote:

"But under the Slovenian Tito, Serbia was carved up into three different areas, the Albanians were given Kosovo and Vojvodina was also made into a Autonomous Province."

Have you looked at the map of Serbia through the 20th century? Neither Kosovo nor Vojvodina were part of Serbia before 1912. Uhm... maybe that had something to do with it?
(Classick, 16 January 2012 05:37)

...and neither Croatia, nor Bosnia, nor Slovenia were independent countries back then.

People are talking about Kosovo and Vojvodina and if Serbia recognizes Kosovo independence they are also saying Vojvodina is independent and gives Vojvodina separatists more power. Serbia can not recognize Kosovo - maybe Albanians but not Kosovo as a whole. No way

"Both EU and Kosovo policy has not become meaningless except in the minds of those who only focus on territories, Defense Minister Dragan Šutanovac has said. "

Yet, you focus on territories by continuing with 'both EU and Kosovo'.
You're just kicking the tire down the road.

“I will remind you that we have not had control over those hectares since 1999, we did not even have control of a good part of hectares inside Serbia until 2001,” he told daily Politika.

I must admire his courage for speaking the truth. Whether he survives politically or not just by telling as is, is a different matter.

wasted words from our mighty defence minister!do you mind telling us just what the hell you have defended for serbia? you have degraded our military and want us to join the bombers!!its a toss up who is the bigger traitor you or tadic! get a job in germany working for your freinds in the waffen ss!! old skool serb george miletich

equal rights of the people in the enclaves etc
(nik)

What's the sense of paper equal rights of the people in the enclaves if in reality nobody wants/can provide security for them?

I quote -

BELGRADE -- Both EU and Kosovo policy has not become meaningless except in the minds of those who only focus on territories, Defense Minister Dragan Šutanovac has said.

I Comment -

Both You and Your Government will loose both EU and Kosovo.
You will see as the Selfdeveived Losers You are.

Arn.Sweden

What's the sense of paper equal rights of the people in the enclaves if in reality nobody wants/can provide security for them?
(aaayyy,

It is a vicious circle. The more Serbia vows never to recognize Kosovo, the more the Albanians see the very presence of Serbs in Kosovo as a threat. May be the sound Serbian stance at the turn of the century would have been: “Prove that you can tolerate the rights of the Serbs and we might give you the recognition.” It would have won more sympathies for Serbia then the obstructionist: “we will never ever…..

“We need to be realistic. It is unbelievable that some only realized in 2011 that Serbia lost its sovereignty in Kosovo and Metohija in 1999. Still, we all agree on one thing, we will not recognize the independence..."

What nonsense! To realize a fact and not to recognize it, paying an obvious price for the no recognition makes no sense at all! A reasonable policy would be to name the price for the recognition: autonomy of the North, special status of the monasteries, equal rights of the people in the enclaves etc. Ten years ago the Albanians might have gone a long way to get Serbian approval for independence. In ten years time, who knows, may be nobody would care is Serbia recognizes Kosovo or not!

What's the sense of paper equal rights of the people in the enclaves if in reality nobody wants/can provide security for them?
(aaayyy, 15 January 2012 14:55)

Paper rights are a good first step. Let Serbia give to Albanians the same rights that Serbs have in Kosovo on paper - and Albanians might start to be convinced that forming a common country with Serbia is in their interest.

nik,

Albanians said that their problem was Milosevic, who didn't want to talk/negotiate. Now Milosevic is gone and Albanians should learn how to talk/negotiate with other Serbs.

SuNATOvac's attempt at reciting the speech written for him by the us state department is both obvious and funny. Why doesn't the us hold that attitude at its southern border? But don't worry. Serbia can always get bailed out by Russia. Nobody will bail out the us - over $15 trillion and counting.

Paul wrote:

"But under the Slovenian Tito, Serbia was carved up into three different areas, the Albanians were given Kosovo and Vojvodina was also made into a Autonomous Province."

Have you looked at the map of Serbia through the 20th century? Neither Kosovo nor Vojvodina were part of Serbia before 1912. Uhm... maybe that had something to do with it?

I try and not use the word fool often, but Sutanovic would have to be one of the biggest I have come across in a long time.

We can solve his dilemma by packing his bags and having him move to the EU where the roads are paved in 18 carat gold and the sick are healed while the blind can see again.

He is wrong about when Serbia first lost its grip on Kosovo. It started in 1974 when the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY) granted the Albanians the Socialist Autonomous Province of Kosovo. Serbia, including Kosovo, had existed in the SFRY as one of the Socialist Republics in the Federation. But under the Slovenian Tito, Serbia was carved up into three different areas, the Albanians were given Kosovo and Vojvodina was also made into a Autonomous Province. But autonomy wasn't enough for the Albanians. Soon after Tito's death, they started pushing for national independence, even before the SFRY was beginning to break up after the collapse of the USSR.

Paul wrote:

"But under the Slovenian Tito, Serbia was carved up into three different areas, the Albanians were given Kosovo and Vojvodina was also made into a Autonomous Province."

Have you looked at the map of Serbia through the 20th century? Neither Kosovo nor Vojvodina were part of Serbia before 1912. Uhm... maybe that had something to do with it?
(Classick, 16 January 2012 05:37)

...and neither Croatia, nor Bosnia, nor Slovenia were independent countries back then.

People are talking about Kosovo and Vojvodina and if Serbia recognizes Kosovo independence they are also saying Vojvodina is independent and gives Vojvodina separatists more power. Serbia can not recognize Kosovo - maybe Albanians but not Kosovo as a whole. No way