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Friday, 13.01.2012.

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Support for EU membership continues to decline

Serbian citizens’ support for the country’s EU accession has dropped to 51 percent, shows a poll conducted by the Serbian government’s EU Integration Office.

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Jovan

pre 12 godina

the more poeple come to reason, the better for Serbia.

not granting this candidate status was a stupid ( german ) mistake, and I am really thankful for that one.

the EU needs Serbia more than Serbia needs this shaky union that calls itself "european" as if others who did not join were not europeans... and very likely in the future just that will become more of a problem for the EU than for Serbia.

Andrei

pre 12 godina

Might I mention that Herman Van Rompuy the current president of the European council was not elected by any voter. He was selected by a globalist cabal. The price and pain of trying to save this EU failure has been enormous on the people of certain EU countries. How many anti-austerity strikes have we seen in Europe in the past 3 months? More than enough.

The EU is also having trouble trying to contain Viktor Orban of Hungary. This is another huge headache for the EU as certain Prime ministers don't wanna play Brussels game anymore.

sj

pre 12 godina

And that's why there are surveys and polls which are much closer to the real picture (if they are done correctly, with correctly worded questions and with a relevant group of people being questioned) instead of some wild guesses by individuals.
(Analyst, 14 January 2012 10:48)

As you seem to know all about this, tell us what were the questions or for that matter where did the focus groups come from?
As I have said many times with the right framing of questions you can even get some positives from an Israeli focus group on the subject of Adolph Hilter
Asking the wealthy part of Belgrade whether they think joining the EU is a good idea will result in a positive response, but ask the rest of Serbia the same question you would have a range varying from 10% to 30%.
I had a little experience with these focus groups, just a tad.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

Who voted against my comment in this article? And why? I simply showed that their earlier article contradicts this article. So why the negative votes? I think we have albanian people who want to see inconsistent reporting, so they prefer uncertainties like this.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"And did you by chance see some of the downgrades of EU members today? Folks like you are so quick to bad mouth Serbia, but why not bad mouth the EU? It is no rose itself."
(winston, 13 January 2012 23:46)

Just for information: Serbia has currently a BB rating (Outlook: Stable), which is not investment-grade but speculative. Even the ratings of the now downgraded EU countries are still higher than Serbia's rating. As far as I know, the only EU country with a rating worse than BB is Greece.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.
(sj, 13 January 2012 22:27)

And that's why there are surveys and polls which are much closer to the real picture (if they are done correctly, with correctly worded questions and with a relevant group of people being questioned) instead of some wild guesses by individuals.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge."

metrod

So Switzerland and Norway are planing a war on the rest of Europe? Your theory is not correct. The EU has a purpose for rich countries to dominate poorer through financial means. Serbia should stay out of the EU.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

B92, this contradicts your statements here, http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=10&dd=07&nav_id=76749 , please elaborate how is this true if this article claims that they have only two polls in a year?

icj1

pre 12 godina

Knowing how governments conduct their business and the methods they use to ram through pet project/policies that may not be in the interest of the voters, this poll, if conducted properly, would show an even bigger drop that just 51%.
If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.
(sj, 13 January 2012 22:27)

Albanians in Kosovo are so lucky that have somebody like you sj. They no longer have to be worried about Serbia becoming an EU member, since according to your poll only a very small minority of Serbs support that and, we all know, that that traitor of Tadic will no longer be president.

Soki

pre 12 godina

The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge.
(metrod, 13 January 2012 23:14)

That was one purpose and although it wasn’t envisioned that it would be a way for Germany to take over, Germany is unabashedly doing that. It has done that by sacrificing the welfare and wealth of it’s own citizens and encouraging other members knowingly to overly indebt themselves from it’s own financial institutions to keep Germany’s export surplus economy going year after year.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50554
As such it has correctly been described as a predatory nation, couple that with EU laws requiring members to disassemble industries that compete with Germany’s under the guise of being financially viable, further monopolises Germany’s export opportunities by inheriting those markets.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-19/europe/30418846_1_euro-zone-euro-crisis-german-power

In relation to the article, it is enough for Serbia joining just EFTA and not the EU.
1) It gives it’s citizens the opportunity to work abroad if need be.
2) It offers Serbia a massive opportunity if it ensures rules and regulations to encourage EU industries to relocate in Serbia taking advantage of various treaties it has to healthy Eastern markets. Croatian companies moving to Serbia to take advantage of CEFTA is a prime example.
3) Less costly obligations and timelines affording nation building at a more comfortable pace.
4) Europe’s deflationary monetary process impedes upon Serbia’s growth potential allowing others outside the EU time to firmly establish markets for their products.
5) Sovereignty, the ability to manoeuvre a country of 10 million to focus on new opportunities without needing permission from an overly bureaucratic parliament.

The purpose why the EU was established is undebatable what it is being used for now is equally so.

Dardany

pre 12 godina

Whoever has published those results has tried to show something but you dont have to be over 12 years old to tell that its absolute trash in this report. Its so many mistakes in this report while they tried to playing up with queations and figures which dont add up. Not even worthit to mention one by one.

trizo

pre 12 godina

@ United States of Albania,

Actually Iowe is just a realist sharing some links to a thing called 'reality' which is something you don't sound too familiar with accepting.

France & Austria just lost their credit rating and as all of us know Greece is closer to bankruptcy.

Does American media have to take hold of the story & blow it out of proportion & add some propaganda for you to call it a reliable source???

I think the only person here who is delusional is you. The only person detached from reality is you.

I know you think of us Serbs as "west" haters but we are not alone with our views on "America".

We are not alone with how many of us see the European Union. We have been rejected and hung on a string like a puppet, following demand after demand and never actually reaching the end of the rainbow.

We have witnessed many countries in the EU receive nothing and their respective countries destroyed & raped economically.

Speaking from a purely economic perspective the EU does not look like it will stay together. It is not a matter of "west" haters, but a matter of people talking about the current realities.

I think you're insecure & afraid of what might happen if the EU does collapse as well as America losing their grip on global power.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

sj,

If you were to guess, then you'd be guessing.

My guess is that Serbia is a lot different from some Serbian club in Australia

whatever

pre 12 godina

Thomas..your simpleton answer is worthy of a kiss from a toad. Why don't you break it down and call it as it is...Serbia gets along very well with it's neighbors...from Romania to Bulgaria, Italy, Hungary...we just don't get along well with militant muslim terrorists of bosniak and albanian backgrounds. Neither does the US, as it wages war across the world in the persuit of these islamic fanatics. Perhaps you need to chance your dispensery.

metrod

pre 12 godina

"Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible.
Ivan"

The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge.

winston

pre 12 godina

Mokanian, yawn, you bore me. Serbia does not need the EU at this time. The EU is in major trouble. For God's sake, do people like you read the papers? You talk about the capitalization of Serbia's banks, what about the capitalization of major EU banks? And did you by chance see some of the downgrades of EU members today? Folks like you are so quick to bad mouth Serbia, but why not bad mouth the EU? It is no rose itself.

WarmWaters

pre 12 godina

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/13/markets/sandp_europe_downgrade/index.htm?hpt=hp_t1
This should certainly help EU sentiment come the next opinion poll about Serbs wanting to join the EU. Better find a new agenda, DS.

sj

pre 12 godina

Knowing how governments conduct their business and the methods they use to ram through pet project/policies that may not be in the interest of the voters, this poll, if conducted properly, would show an even bigger drop that just 51%.
If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.

Thomas Mokanian

pre 12 godina

It is really quite irrelevant what the Serbian people think since what they wish matters not to the EU. The way it looks at the moment is that it will take another twenty years before Serbia will meet the criteria for candidate status. There are many areas in which Serbia is inadequate. The list is too lengthy to enumerate but a few of the major deficiencies are the lack of ability to get along with its neighbors and the fact that its banks do not have the proper reserves to meet EU standards. The lack of transparency is also a major obstacle.

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

As long as Merkel and other EUROcrats are the one who is calling the shots in EU policy on Serbia. by forcing / blackmailing Serbia to give up the fight for Kosovo. Serbia will never win a EU seat. and the Serbian people will loose interest in joining this club.

zman

pre 12 godina

Comm. Parrisson

that's a funny joke but no truth to it...

and yes Germany agreed to drop the mark because it believed in can dominated the EU with the Euro.. That's mainline admitted history..

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible."
(Ivan, 13 January 2012 18:06)

Someone is confusing former YU and Serbia with todays EU and Germany, it seems :)

Ivan

pre 12 godina

Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible.

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Lowe - When you make a snide comment "Are we supposed to be surprised" and then you paste the link to an article written by an amateur as your "gotcha" moment..... I'm going to speak up. Maybe that satisfies the ideologues on here that just hate the West, USA and Europe, but it doesn't mean that its the reality of the situation. As for what I write, They aren't "mindless tirades" but illuminated points of view that you obviously are too entrenched in ideology to understand.

Anyway, negativity never got a nation anywhere. Being pragmatic and positive has. You're never going to get anywhere by being a culture of No No No to anything and everything which is what Serbia has become. This mentality hurt Serbia in the 90's and its hurting Serbia now. Good thing I don't care about where Serbia is headed and I'm actually championing every horrible decision that Serbia makes because it moves them further and further away from prosperity.
(USA United States of Albania, 13 January 2012 16:35)”

How is my question about whether we should be surprised at the fall in Serbians’ support for EU membership a “snide” comment???? The online Free Dictionary defines “snide” as being “maliciously derogatory, supercilious” and a counterfeit sham. How is my question “maliciously derogatory” or a “sham” when the figures showing a fall in Serbian support for EU were not cooked up by me but based on a poll that was conducted according to B92????? If you can prove that the poll was a farce, then by all means show us your evidence. Until you answer these questions of mine objectively, your posts remained indeed mindless tirades to me!

You can consider my source to be an amateur, but what makes you think in your vanity that you are any more “professional” than him? You talked about “the reality of the situation” about Yankees and Europe but have so far NOT produced any shred of evidence to support your claims and so called “illuminated points of view”. And that is supposed to make you no less an amateur than Gupta or anyone else??????? Please!!!!

One more thing, methinks USA aka United States of Albania is really, to borrow your own words, “all delusional”!

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

You need not be impressed with what Varun Gupta wrote. Just as I am not in the least impressed with your mindless tirades!
(lowe, 13 January 2012 16:07)

Lowe - When you make a snide comment "Are we supposed to be surprised" and then you paste the link to an article written by an amateur as your "gotcha" moment..... I'm going to speak up. Maybe that satisfies the ideologues on here that just hate the West, USA and Europe, but it doesn't mean that its the reality of the situation. As for what I write, They aren't "mindless tirades" but illuminated points of view that you obviously are too entrenched in ideology to understand.

Anyway, negativity never got a nation anywhere. Being pragmatic and positive has. You're never going to get anywhere by being a culture of No No No to anything and everything which is what Serbia has become. This mentality hurt Serbia in the 90's and its hurting Serbia now. Good thing I don't care about where Serbia is headed and I'm actually championing every horrible decision that Serbia makes because it moves them further and further away from prosperity.

Kenny

pre 12 godina

These poll results give me hope and confirm my theory, that most Serbs actually understand their political situation and that their own politicians are responsible for it. They also take a much more realistic approach when it comes to understand how the situation around Kosovo is - unlike the keyboard warriors in the comments section of B92...

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Lowe - Who is Varun Gupta and what qualifies this mans opinion? Its one thing to make a claim, but its another to just say "Look! there!" and paste a link to an article written by a nobody. At least point to an article written by someone that's respected in the economic arena. You are all delusional about the EU, ignoring what you don't want to hear and hearing only what confirms your view. It is like a cult of some sort, with a belief system that is completely detached from reality.
(USA United States of Albania, 13 January 2012 15:39) "

And pray tell WHAT claim did I make, exactly? Stop making up lies and putting words into my mouth!

It would also put you in a better light if you could provide your own evidence from your hallowed sources to prove that I was "delusional" about the EU. From the looks of it, if one of us was making any actual superflous claims on this thread, it was certainly YOU! Talk the classic case of the pot calling the kettle black!

You need not be impressed with what Varun Gupta wrote. Just as I am not in the least impressed with your mindless tirades!

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

You post under the name "USA United States of Albania", and you have the nerve to to say that someone else is "completely detached from reality". There are no United Staes of Albania, but maybe in your dreams - as for the EU, you must admit it is in a dire situation - or it's you that has a problem with reality?

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

Lowe - Who is Varun Gupta and what qualifies this mans opinion? Its one thing to make a claim, but its another to just say "Look! there!" and paste a link to an article written by a nobody. At least point to an article written by someone that's respected in the economic arena. You are all delusional about the EU, ignoring what you don't want to hear and hearing only what confirms your view. It is like a cult of some sort, with a belief system that is completely detached from reality.

Luigi

pre 12 godina

This poll are totally non sense.. the number of yes are still doped by the idea that Eu will mean a check every month in every Serbian home...As i repeat 30% will mean that Serbs have understood what Eu means...few wins and many lose...So let's go quickly to that number in the next poll !!

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

You post under the name "USA United States of Albania", and you have the nerve to to say that someone else is "completely detached from reality". There are no United Staes of Albania, but maybe in your dreams - as for the EU, you must admit it is in a dire situation - or it's you that has a problem with reality?

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Lowe - Who is Varun Gupta and what qualifies this mans opinion? Its one thing to make a claim, but its another to just say "Look! there!" and paste a link to an article written by a nobody. At least point to an article written by someone that's respected in the economic arena. You are all delusional about the EU, ignoring what you don't want to hear and hearing only what confirms your view. It is like a cult of some sort, with a belief system that is completely detached from reality.
(USA United States of Albania, 13 January 2012 15:39) "

And pray tell WHAT claim did I make, exactly? Stop making up lies and putting words into my mouth!

It would also put you in a better light if you could provide your own evidence from your hallowed sources to prove that I was "delusional" about the EU. From the looks of it, if one of us was making any actual superflous claims on this thread, it was certainly YOU! Talk the classic case of the pot calling the kettle black!

You need not be impressed with what Varun Gupta wrote. Just as I am not in the least impressed with your mindless tirades!

Ivan

pre 12 godina

Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible.

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

As long as Merkel and other EUROcrats are the one who is calling the shots in EU policy on Serbia. by forcing / blackmailing Serbia to give up the fight for Kosovo. Serbia will never win a EU seat. and the Serbian people will loose interest in joining this club.

Luigi

pre 12 godina

This poll are totally non sense.. the number of yes are still doped by the idea that Eu will mean a check every month in every Serbian home...As i repeat 30% will mean that Serbs have understood what Eu means...few wins and many lose...So let's go quickly to that number in the next poll !!

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Lowe - When you make a snide comment "Are we supposed to be surprised" and then you paste the link to an article written by an amateur as your "gotcha" moment..... I'm going to speak up. Maybe that satisfies the ideologues on here that just hate the West, USA and Europe, but it doesn't mean that its the reality of the situation. As for what I write, They aren't "mindless tirades" but illuminated points of view that you obviously are too entrenched in ideology to understand.

Anyway, negativity never got a nation anywhere. Being pragmatic and positive has. You're never going to get anywhere by being a culture of No No No to anything and everything which is what Serbia has become. This mentality hurt Serbia in the 90's and its hurting Serbia now. Good thing I don't care about where Serbia is headed and I'm actually championing every horrible decision that Serbia makes because it moves them further and further away from prosperity.
(USA United States of Albania, 13 January 2012 16:35)”

How is my question about whether we should be surprised at the fall in Serbians’ support for EU membership a “snide” comment???? The online Free Dictionary defines “snide” as being “maliciously derogatory, supercilious” and a counterfeit sham. How is my question “maliciously derogatory” or a “sham” when the figures showing a fall in Serbian support for EU were not cooked up by me but based on a poll that was conducted according to B92????? If you can prove that the poll was a farce, then by all means show us your evidence. Until you answer these questions of mine objectively, your posts remained indeed mindless tirades to me!

You can consider my source to be an amateur, but what makes you think in your vanity that you are any more “professional” than him? You talked about “the reality of the situation” about Yankees and Europe but have so far NOT produced any shred of evidence to support your claims and so called “illuminated points of view”. And that is supposed to make you no less an amateur than Gupta or anyone else??????? Please!!!!

One more thing, methinks USA aka United States of Albania is really, to borrow your own words, “all delusional”!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible."
(Ivan, 13 January 2012 18:06)

Someone is confusing former YU and Serbia with todays EU and Germany, it seems :)

Kenny

pre 12 godina

These poll results give me hope and confirm my theory, that most Serbs actually understand their political situation and that their own politicians are responsible for it. They also take a much more realistic approach when it comes to understand how the situation around Kosovo is - unlike the keyboard warriors in the comments section of B92...

sj

pre 12 godina

Knowing how governments conduct their business and the methods they use to ram through pet project/policies that may not be in the interest of the voters, this poll, if conducted properly, would show an even bigger drop that just 51%.
If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.

zman

pre 12 godina

Comm. Parrisson

that's a funny joke but no truth to it...

and yes Germany agreed to drop the mark because it believed in can dominated the EU with the Euro.. That's mainline admitted history..

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

Lowe - Who is Varun Gupta and what qualifies this mans opinion? Its one thing to make a claim, but its another to just say "Look! there!" and paste a link to an article written by a nobody. At least point to an article written by someone that's respected in the economic arena. You are all delusional about the EU, ignoring what you don't want to hear and hearing only what confirms your view. It is like a cult of some sort, with a belief system that is completely detached from reality.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.
(sj, 13 January 2012 22:27)

And that's why there are surveys and polls which are much closer to the real picture (if they are done correctly, with correctly worded questions and with a relevant group of people being questioned) instead of some wild guesses by individuals.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"And did you by chance see some of the downgrades of EU members today? Folks like you are so quick to bad mouth Serbia, but why not bad mouth the EU? It is no rose itself."
(winston, 13 January 2012 23:46)

Just for information: Serbia has currently a BB rating (Outlook: Stable), which is not investment-grade but speculative. Even the ratings of the now downgraded EU countries are still higher than Serbia's rating. As far as I know, the only EU country with a rating worse than BB is Greece.

Thomas Mokanian

pre 12 godina

It is really quite irrelevant what the Serbian people think since what they wish matters not to the EU. The way it looks at the moment is that it will take another twenty years before Serbia will meet the criteria for candidate status. There are many areas in which Serbia is inadequate. The list is too lengthy to enumerate but a few of the major deficiencies are the lack of ability to get along with its neighbors and the fact that its banks do not have the proper reserves to meet EU standards. The lack of transparency is also a major obstacle.

sj

pre 12 godina

And that's why there are surveys and polls which are much closer to the real picture (if they are done correctly, with correctly worded questions and with a relevant group of people being questioned) instead of some wild guesses by individuals.
(Analyst, 14 January 2012 10:48)

As you seem to know all about this, tell us what were the questions or for that matter where did the focus groups come from?
As I have said many times with the right framing of questions you can even get some positives from an Israeli focus group on the subject of Adolph Hilter
Asking the wealthy part of Belgrade whether they think joining the EU is a good idea will result in a positive response, but ask the rest of Serbia the same question you would have a range varying from 10% to 30%.
I had a little experience with these focus groups, just a tad.

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

You need not be impressed with what Varun Gupta wrote. Just as I am not in the least impressed with your mindless tirades!
(lowe, 13 January 2012 16:07)

Lowe - When you make a snide comment "Are we supposed to be surprised" and then you paste the link to an article written by an amateur as your "gotcha" moment..... I'm going to speak up. Maybe that satisfies the ideologues on here that just hate the West, USA and Europe, but it doesn't mean that its the reality of the situation. As for what I write, They aren't "mindless tirades" but illuminated points of view that you obviously are too entrenched in ideology to understand.

Anyway, negativity never got a nation anywhere. Being pragmatic and positive has. You're never going to get anywhere by being a culture of No No No to anything and everything which is what Serbia has become. This mentality hurt Serbia in the 90's and its hurting Serbia now. Good thing I don't care about where Serbia is headed and I'm actually championing every horrible decision that Serbia makes because it moves them further and further away from prosperity.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

sj,

If you were to guess, then you'd be guessing.

My guess is that Serbia is a lot different from some Serbian club in Australia

Dardany

pre 12 godina

Whoever has published those results has tried to show something but you dont have to be over 12 years old to tell that its absolute trash in this report. Its so many mistakes in this report while they tried to playing up with queations and figures which dont add up. Not even worthit to mention one by one.

Andrei

pre 12 godina

Might I mention that Herman Van Rompuy the current president of the European council was not elected by any voter. He was selected by a globalist cabal. The price and pain of trying to save this EU failure has been enormous on the people of certain EU countries. How many anti-austerity strikes have we seen in Europe in the past 3 months? More than enough.

The EU is also having trouble trying to contain Viktor Orban of Hungary. This is another huge headache for the EU as certain Prime ministers don't wanna play Brussels game anymore.

trizo

pre 12 godina

@ United States of Albania,

Actually Iowe is just a realist sharing some links to a thing called 'reality' which is something you don't sound too familiar with accepting.

France & Austria just lost their credit rating and as all of us know Greece is closer to bankruptcy.

Does American media have to take hold of the story & blow it out of proportion & add some propaganda for you to call it a reliable source???

I think the only person here who is delusional is you. The only person detached from reality is you.

I know you think of us Serbs as "west" haters but we are not alone with our views on "America".

We are not alone with how many of us see the European Union. We have been rejected and hung on a string like a puppet, following demand after demand and never actually reaching the end of the rainbow.

We have witnessed many countries in the EU receive nothing and their respective countries destroyed & raped economically.

Speaking from a purely economic perspective the EU does not look like it will stay together. It is not a matter of "west" haters, but a matter of people talking about the current realities.

I think you're insecure & afraid of what might happen if the EU does collapse as well as America losing their grip on global power.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Knowing how governments conduct their business and the methods they use to ram through pet project/policies that may not be in the interest of the voters, this poll, if conducted properly, would show an even bigger drop that just 51%.
If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.
(sj, 13 January 2012 22:27)

Albanians in Kosovo are so lucky that have somebody like you sj. They no longer have to be worried about Serbia becoming an EU member, since according to your poll only a very small minority of Serbs support that and, we all know, that that traitor of Tadic will no longer be president.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge."

metrod

So Switzerland and Norway are planing a war on the rest of Europe? Your theory is not correct. The EU has a purpose for rich countries to dominate poorer through financial means. Serbia should stay out of the EU.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

B92, this contradicts your statements here, http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=10&dd=07&nav_id=76749 , please elaborate how is this true if this article claims that they have only two polls in a year?

metrod

pre 12 godina

"Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible.
Ivan"

The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge.

whatever

pre 12 godina

Thomas..your simpleton answer is worthy of a kiss from a toad. Why don't you break it down and call it as it is...Serbia gets along very well with it's neighbors...from Romania to Bulgaria, Italy, Hungary...we just don't get along well with militant muslim terrorists of bosniak and albanian backgrounds. Neither does the US, as it wages war across the world in the persuit of these islamic fanatics. Perhaps you need to chance your dispensery.

winston

pre 12 godina

Mokanian, yawn, you bore me. Serbia does not need the EU at this time. The EU is in major trouble. For God's sake, do people like you read the papers? You talk about the capitalization of Serbia's banks, what about the capitalization of major EU banks? And did you by chance see some of the downgrades of EU members today? Folks like you are so quick to bad mouth Serbia, but why not bad mouth the EU? It is no rose itself.

WarmWaters

pre 12 godina

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/13/markets/sandp_europe_downgrade/index.htm?hpt=hp_t1
This should certainly help EU sentiment come the next opinion poll about Serbs wanting to join the EU. Better find a new agenda, DS.

Soki

pre 12 godina

The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge.
(metrod, 13 January 2012 23:14)

That was one purpose and although it wasn’t envisioned that it would be a way for Germany to take over, Germany is unabashedly doing that. It has done that by sacrificing the welfare and wealth of it’s own citizens and encouraging other members knowingly to overly indebt themselves from it’s own financial institutions to keep Germany’s export surplus economy going year after year.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50554
As such it has correctly been described as a predatory nation, couple that with EU laws requiring members to disassemble industries that compete with Germany’s under the guise of being financially viable, further monopolises Germany’s export opportunities by inheriting those markets.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-19/europe/30418846_1_euro-zone-euro-crisis-german-power

In relation to the article, it is enough for Serbia joining just EFTA and not the EU.
1) It gives it’s citizens the opportunity to work abroad if need be.
2) It offers Serbia a massive opportunity if it ensures rules and regulations to encourage EU industries to relocate in Serbia taking advantage of various treaties it has to healthy Eastern markets. Croatian companies moving to Serbia to take advantage of CEFTA is a prime example.
3) Less costly obligations and timelines affording nation building at a more comfortable pace.
4) Europe’s deflationary monetary process impedes upon Serbia’s growth potential allowing others outside the EU time to firmly establish markets for their products.
5) Sovereignty, the ability to manoeuvre a country of 10 million to focus on new opportunities without needing permission from an overly bureaucratic parliament.

The purpose why the EU was established is undebatable what it is being used for now is equally so.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

Who voted against my comment in this article? And why? I simply showed that their earlier article contradicts this article. So why the negative votes? I think we have albanian people who want to see inconsistent reporting, so they prefer uncertainties like this.

Jovan

pre 12 godina

the more poeple come to reason, the better for Serbia.

not granting this candidate status was a stupid ( german ) mistake, and I am really thankful for that one.

the EU needs Serbia more than Serbia needs this shaky union that calls itself "european" as if others who did not join were not europeans... and very likely in the future just that will become more of a problem for the EU than for Serbia.

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

You need not be impressed with what Varun Gupta wrote. Just as I am not in the least impressed with your mindless tirades!
(lowe, 13 January 2012 16:07)

Lowe - When you make a snide comment "Are we supposed to be surprised" and then you paste the link to an article written by an amateur as your "gotcha" moment..... I'm going to speak up. Maybe that satisfies the ideologues on here that just hate the West, USA and Europe, but it doesn't mean that its the reality of the situation. As for what I write, They aren't "mindless tirades" but illuminated points of view that you obviously are too entrenched in ideology to understand.

Anyway, negativity never got a nation anywhere. Being pragmatic and positive has. You're never going to get anywhere by being a culture of No No No to anything and everything which is what Serbia has become. This mentality hurt Serbia in the 90's and its hurting Serbia now. Good thing I don't care about where Serbia is headed and I'm actually championing every horrible decision that Serbia makes because it moves them further and further away from prosperity.

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

Lowe - Who is Varun Gupta and what qualifies this mans opinion? Its one thing to make a claim, but its another to just say "Look! there!" and paste a link to an article written by a nobody. At least point to an article written by someone that's respected in the economic arena. You are all delusional about the EU, ignoring what you don't want to hear and hearing only what confirms your view. It is like a cult of some sort, with a belief system that is completely detached from reality.

Kenny

pre 12 godina

These poll results give me hope and confirm my theory, that most Serbs actually understand their political situation and that their own politicians are responsible for it. They also take a much more realistic approach when it comes to understand how the situation around Kosovo is - unlike the keyboard warriors in the comments section of B92...

Ivan

pre 12 godina

Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible.

metrod

pre 12 godina

"Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible.
Ivan"

The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge.

Thomas Mokanian

pre 12 godina

It is really quite irrelevant what the Serbian people think since what they wish matters not to the EU. The way it looks at the moment is that it will take another twenty years before Serbia will meet the criteria for candidate status. There are many areas in which Serbia is inadequate. The list is too lengthy to enumerate but a few of the major deficiencies are the lack of ability to get along with its neighbors and the fact that its banks do not have the proper reserves to meet EU standards. The lack of transparency is also a major obstacle.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Why isnt 0% supporting intergration? What good could possibly come of this. The EU was just a way for germany to steal everybodys money and enslave them into agriculture and low paying jobs. Get away from the EU as quickly as possible."
(Ivan, 13 January 2012 18:06)

Someone is confusing former YU and Serbia with todays EU and Germany, it seems :)

Danilo

pre 12 godina

sj,

If you were to guess, then you'd be guessing.

My guess is that Serbia is a lot different from some Serbian club in Australia

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

As long as Merkel and other EUROcrats are the one who is calling the shots in EU policy on Serbia. by forcing / blackmailing Serbia to give up the fight for Kosovo. Serbia will never win a EU seat. and the Serbian people will loose interest in joining this club.

Soki

pre 12 godina

The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge.
(metrod, 13 January 2012 23:14)

That was one purpose and although it wasn’t envisioned that it would be a way for Germany to take over, Germany is unabashedly doing that. It has done that by sacrificing the welfare and wealth of it’s own citizens and encouraging other members knowingly to overly indebt themselves from it’s own financial institutions to keep Germany’s export surplus economy going year after year.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50554
As such it has correctly been described as a predatory nation, couple that with EU laws requiring members to disassemble industries that compete with Germany’s under the guise of being financially viable, further monopolises Germany’s export opportunities by inheriting those markets.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-19/europe/30418846_1_euro-zone-euro-crisis-german-power

In relation to the article, it is enough for Serbia joining just EFTA and not the EU.
1) It gives it’s citizens the opportunity to work abroad if need be.
2) It offers Serbia a massive opportunity if it ensures rules and regulations to encourage EU industries to relocate in Serbia taking advantage of various treaties it has to healthy Eastern markets. Croatian companies moving to Serbia to take advantage of CEFTA is a prime example.
3) Less costly obligations and timelines affording nation building at a more comfortable pace.
4) Europe’s deflationary monetary process impedes upon Serbia’s growth potential allowing others outside the EU time to firmly establish markets for their products.
5) Sovereignty, the ability to manoeuvre a country of 10 million to focus on new opportunities without needing permission from an overly bureaucratic parliament.

The purpose why the EU was established is undebatable what it is being used for now is equally so.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"The purpsoe of the EU was to prevent future wars in Europe. That's common knowledge."

metrod

So Switzerland and Norway are planing a war on the rest of Europe? Your theory is not correct. The EU has a purpose for rich countries to dominate poorer through financial means. Serbia should stay out of the EU.

Luigi

pre 12 godina

This poll are totally non sense.. the number of yes are still doped by the idea that Eu will mean a check every month in every Serbian home...As i repeat 30% will mean that Serbs have understood what Eu means...few wins and many lose...So let's go quickly to that number in the next poll !!

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Lowe - When you make a snide comment "Are we supposed to be surprised" and then you paste the link to an article written by an amateur as your "gotcha" moment..... I'm going to speak up. Maybe that satisfies the ideologues on here that just hate the West, USA and Europe, but it doesn't mean that its the reality of the situation. As for what I write, They aren't "mindless tirades" but illuminated points of view that you obviously are too entrenched in ideology to understand.

Anyway, negativity never got a nation anywhere. Being pragmatic and positive has. You're never going to get anywhere by being a culture of No No No to anything and everything which is what Serbia has become. This mentality hurt Serbia in the 90's and its hurting Serbia now. Good thing I don't care about where Serbia is headed and I'm actually championing every horrible decision that Serbia makes because it moves them further and further away from prosperity.
(USA United States of Albania, 13 January 2012 16:35)”

How is my question about whether we should be surprised at the fall in Serbians’ support for EU membership a “snide” comment???? The online Free Dictionary defines “snide” as being “maliciously derogatory, supercilious” and a counterfeit sham. How is my question “maliciously derogatory” or a “sham” when the figures showing a fall in Serbian support for EU were not cooked up by me but based on a poll that was conducted according to B92????? If you can prove that the poll was a farce, then by all means show us your evidence. Until you answer these questions of mine objectively, your posts remained indeed mindless tirades to me!

You can consider my source to be an amateur, but what makes you think in your vanity that you are any more “professional” than him? You talked about “the reality of the situation” about Yankees and Europe but have so far NOT produced any shred of evidence to support your claims and so called “illuminated points of view”. And that is supposed to make you no less an amateur than Gupta or anyone else??????? Please!!!!

One more thing, methinks USA aka United States of Albania is really, to borrow your own words, “all delusional”!

sj

pre 12 godina

Knowing how governments conduct their business and the methods they use to ram through pet project/policies that may not be in the interest of the voters, this poll, if conducted properly, would show an even bigger drop that just 51%.
If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.

whatever

pre 12 godina

Thomas..your simpleton answer is worthy of a kiss from a toad. Why don't you break it down and call it as it is...Serbia gets along very well with it's neighbors...from Romania to Bulgaria, Italy, Hungary...we just don't get along well with militant muslim terrorists of bosniak and albanian backgrounds. Neither does the US, as it wages war across the world in the persuit of these islamic fanatics. Perhaps you need to chance your dispensery.

trizo

pre 12 godina

@ United States of Albania,

Actually Iowe is just a realist sharing some links to a thing called 'reality' which is something you don't sound too familiar with accepting.

France & Austria just lost their credit rating and as all of us know Greece is closer to bankruptcy.

Does American media have to take hold of the story & blow it out of proportion & add some propaganda for you to call it a reliable source???

I think the only person here who is delusional is you. The only person detached from reality is you.

I know you think of us Serbs as "west" haters but we are not alone with our views on "America".

We are not alone with how many of us see the European Union. We have been rejected and hung on a string like a puppet, following demand after demand and never actually reaching the end of the rainbow.

We have witnessed many countries in the EU receive nothing and their respective countries destroyed & raped economically.

Speaking from a purely economic perspective the EU does not look like it will stay together. It is not a matter of "west" haters, but a matter of people talking about the current realities.

I think you're insecure & afraid of what might happen if the EU does collapse as well as America losing their grip on global power.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Lowe - Who is Varun Gupta and what qualifies this mans opinion? Its one thing to make a claim, but its another to just say "Look! there!" and paste a link to an article written by a nobody. At least point to an article written by someone that's respected in the economic arena. You are all delusional about the EU, ignoring what you don't want to hear and hearing only what confirms your view. It is like a cult of some sort, with a belief system that is completely detached from reality.
(USA United States of Albania, 13 January 2012 15:39) "

And pray tell WHAT claim did I make, exactly? Stop making up lies and putting words into my mouth!

It would also put you in a better light if you could provide your own evidence from your hallowed sources to prove that I was "delusional" about the EU. From the looks of it, if one of us was making any actual superflous claims on this thread, it was certainly YOU! Talk the classic case of the pot calling the kettle black!

You need not be impressed with what Varun Gupta wrote. Just as I am not in the least impressed with your mindless tirades!

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

You post under the name "USA United States of Albania", and you have the nerve to to say that someone else is "completely detached from reality". There are no United Staes of Albania, but maybe in your dreams - as for the EU, you must admit it is in a dire situation - or it's you that has a problem with reality?

zman

pre 12 godina

Comm. Parrisson

that's a funny joke but no truth to it...

and yes Germany agreed to drop the mark because it believed in can dominated the EU with the Euro.. That's mainline admitted history..

Analyst

pre 12 godina

If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.
(sj, 13 January 2012 22:27)

And that's why there are surveys and polls which are much closer to the real picture (if they are done correctly, with correctly worded questions and with a relevant group of people being questioned) instead of some wild guesses by individuals.

winston

pre 12 godina

Mokanian, yawn, you bore me. Serbia does not need the EU at this time. The EU is in major trouble. For God's sake, do people like you read the papers? You talk about the capitalization of Serbia's banks, what about the capitalization of major EU banks? And did you by chance see some of the downgrades of EU members today? Folks like you are so quick to bad mouth Serbia, but why not bad mouth the EU? It is no rose itself.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Knowing how governments conduct their business and the methods they use to ram through pet project/policies that may not be in the interest of the voters, this poll, if conducted properly, would show an even bigger drop that just 51%.
If I was to guess it would be more likely that only 31% are still in favor of join the EU.
(sj, 13 January 2012 22:27)

Albanians in Kosovo are so lucky that have somebody like you sj. They no longer have to be worried about Serbia becoming an EU member, since according to your poll only a very small minority of Serbs support that and, we all know, that that traitor of Tadic will no longer be president.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

B92, this contradicts your statements here, http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=10&dd=07&nav_id=76749 , please elaborate how is this true if this article claims that they have only two polls in a year?

WarmWaters

pre 12 godina

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/13/markets/sandp_europe_downgrade/index.htm?hpt=hp_t1
This should certainly help EU sentiment come the next opinion poll about Serbs wanting to join the EU. Better find a new agenda, DS.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

Who voted against my comment in this article? And why? I simply showed that their earlier article contradicts this article. So why the negative votes? I think we have albanian people who want to see inconsistent reporting, so they prefer uncertainties like this.

Dardany

pre 12 godina

Whoever has published those results has tried to show something but you dont have to be over 12 years old to tell that its absolute trash in this report. Its so many mistakes in this report while they tried to playing up with queations and figures which dont add up. Not even worthit to mention one by one.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"And did you by chance see some of the downgrades of EU members today? Folks like you are so quick to bad mouth Serbia, but why not bad mouth the EU? It is no rose itself."
(winston, 13 January 2012 23:46)

Just for information: Serbia has currently a BB rating (Outlook: Stable), which is not investment-grade but speculative. Even the ratings of the now downgraded EU countries are still higher than Serbia's rating. As far as I know, the only EU country with a rating worse than BB is Greece.

sj

pre 12 godina

And that's why there are surveys and polls which are much closer to the real picture (if they are done correctly, with correctly worded questions and with a relevant group of people being questioned) instead of some wild guesses by individuals.
(Analyst, 14 January 2012 10:48)

As you seem to know all about this, tell us what were the questions or for that matter where did the focus groups come from?
As I have said many times with the right framing of questions you can even get some positives from an Israeli focus group on the subject of Adolph Hilter
Asking the wealthy part of Belgrade whether they think joining the EU is a good idea will result in a positive response, but ask the rest of Serbia the same question you would have a range varying from 10% to 30%.
I had a little experience with these focus groups, just a tad.

Andrei

pre 12 godina

Might I mention that Herman Van Rompuy the current president of the European council was not elected by any voter. He was selected by a globalist cabal. The price and pain of trying to save this EU failure has been enormous on the people of certain EU countries. How many anti-austerity strikes have we seen in Europe in the past 3 months? More than enough.

The EU is also having trouble trying to contain Viktor Orban of Hungary. This is another huge headache for the EU as certain Prime ministers don't wanna play Brussels game anymore.

Jovan

pre 12 godina

the more poeple come to reason, the better for Serbia.

not granting this candidate status was a stupid ( german ) mistake, and I am really thankful for that one.

the EU needs Serbia more than Serbia needs this shaky union that calls itself "european" as if others who did not join were not europeans... and very likely in the future just that will become more of a problem for the EU than for Serbia.