Serbia represents Montenegro in 42 countries

What do you expect when you only have 600,000 tax payers? They can't afford anything, and need to be propped up by outsiders just to survive. This is a joke of a country, and I don't see it lasting too long. The president is a cigarette smuggling thief who would be rotting in jail had he not accepted the diktat from the NATO war criminals who control him.

Same country, same people. Utter stupditiy that the two countries are seperate.

The two country's are seperate because the US insisted on weakening Serbia. Kosovo was created for the same purpose. Any undermining of Serbia and you can be certain the US was and is involved. The Germans and British follow the same mindset. As far as they are concerned Milosevic is still in charge. They are not interested in the democratic credentials of modern day Serbia. The aim is to punish without let up. This may sound cynical, but I fear it is fact. And these states have done nothing to make me think otherwise.

"Serbia represents Montenegro in 42 countries"

Rather:

"Serbia subsidizes Montenegro in 42 countries"

It seems that independence is very popular, but paying for it is not. That is called having your cake and eating it.

Surely Djukanovic can simply ask the major tobacco companies to subsidize their representations abroad instead. After all, these companies turned a blind eye to Montenegro smuggling their products back in to the EU at low prices which might seem like a financial loss, in reality protects the next generation of addicts as the future market for its products.

I am by ancestry Serbian and Montenegrin, and always thought of myself as a Serbian from Montenegro. My mother was born in Serbia, and my father in Montenegro. So what the hell am I now? Since the US asked for a referendum in my country to break from Serbia, maybe the US can tell me what I am? Am I Serbian, or Montenegrin? I sure would like to know, I need an identity. BTW, can anyone debate the referendum coming up in N. KiM, by minority Serbs? Or does a referendum only suit big powers to meets their ends?

To PEN:

Milosevic only did what Clinton (USA) told him to do, therefore, do not use Milosevic as a scapegoat. The reality is that Serbia is/was always oriented towards the east (Russia). That's a thorn in the eye for the west. The latter will continue to dismember Serbia until we become ethnics in other countries. Only a change from the present sellout government to a more nationalistic stance can save us.

In Australia, Montenegro is represented by both Serbia & Croatia? how does that work??

@ ivan;

I'm not using Milosevic as a scapegoat. Whether or not clinton told him what to do is besides the point. You cannot deny his policies were a disaster for Serbia. You judge a leader by what he achieves for his people and his country. Serbia was ruined under Milosevic's misrule. War could have been prevented in the late 80's by getting the West onside. This attitude of my cause in righteous so I don't need to waste time explaining it to anybody is nonsensical. Yes, there were those traditionally hostile to Serbia like the Austrians, Germans and the Vatican who would never listen. But there were countries that Serbia could have worked with like Britain, France, Italy, and East European states. Instead of creating enemies everywhere. These governments and people weren't sympathetic to the Croats or the Albanians. But Milosevic made them sympathetic by his actions. And any way this has nothing to do with Montenegro's so-called 'independence.' I just thought I'd set the record straight.

Same country, same people. Utter stupditiy that the two countries are seperate.
(SCP UK, 9 January 2012 13:03)

You're one of these typical nationalists from the Serb Diaspora who are very different to the Serbs of Serbia.

Bosniaks and Croats are also the same people as Serbs and Montenegrins, should we just re-establish Yugoslavia? Or would that idea be classed as "utter stupditiy" (sic) too?

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(PEN, 9 January 2012 14:37)

Still believing Vojislav Šešelj's self confessed fictional conspiracy against the Serbs? This man would have you believe that the whole world is out against the Serbs. He wants Self Pity to become apart of the Serbian national identity to spread nationalism for his own (former) political gain. Šešelj himself has admitted that the fabricated conspiracy against the Serbs which he helped pioneer is in fact a myth.

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(Dragan, 9 January 2012 13:55)

Every country in the world cannot have diplomatic relations and offer consular services in ever other country in the world. Montenegro's diplomatic network is still growing and is relatively average for a country of it's size. Serbia wouldn't be where it is now diplomatically had it not been the sole inheritor of the diplomatic network established in Tito's Yugoslavia, Serbia's diplomatic network is abnormally large for a country it's size. Many countries provide consular services for citizens of neighbouring and friendly countries, it is only natural that Serbia provides consular services for citizens of Montenegro. Ireland is the only EU country to have a diplomatic representation in Lesotho and thus provides consular services for the other 26 EU countries.

Also it was Milo Đukanović who was accused of smuggling cigarettes in the 1990s. He is no longer in power and he was most recently the Prime Minister of Montenegro not the President.

Fine by me, as long as Montenegro actually pays for this service and not Serbian tax payers... again.

So what the hell am I now? Since the US asked for a referendum in my country to break from Serbia, maybe the US can tell me what I am? Am I Serbian, or Montenegrin? I sure would like to know, I need an identity. BTW, can anyone debate the referendum coming up in N. KiM, by minority Serbs? Or does a referendum only suit big powers to meets their ends?
(PapaJohn, 9 January 2012 22:19)

If you need someone else to tell you what nationality you are , worrying about sombody elses referendum is the least of your problems.

"So what the hell am I now?"


It's up to you

But there were countries that Serbia could have worked with like Britain, France, Italy, and East European states. Instead of creating enemies everywhere. These governments and people weren't sympathetic to the Croats or the Albanians. But Milosevic made them sympathetic by his actions.
(PEN, 9 January 2012 21:50)

But Milosevic has gone since 2000. Why don't Britain, France, etc. try to respond to Serbia desperate efforts to regain friendly relationship? Instead they recognized Kosovo...

What do you expect when you only have 600,000 tax payers? They can't afford anything, and need to be propped up by outsiders just to survive. This is a joke of a country, and I don't see it lasting too long. The president is a cigarette smuggling thief who would be rotting in jail had he not accepted the diktat from the NATO war criminals who control him.
(Dragan, 9 January 2012 13:55)

If its a joke of a country than what is Serbia? People that live in Montenegro make more than the average individual in Serbia, It is also by the coast, attracts more tourists, millionaires are constantly investing into the country.. and your clearly a peasant if you see the country folding..

What is the different between Tadic and Milo? same cancer but Tadic makes relations with nato in the dark shadow.

And if you don;t realize there are a lot of Serbs living in Montenegro so this would benefit them a lot.

Its time to look forward and its good that there is some good diplomatic relations between the two country..

Yes, there were those traditionally hostile to Serbia like the Austrians, Germans and the Vatican who would never listen. But there were countries that Serbia could have worked with like Britain, France, Italy, and East European states. Instead of creating enemies everywhere. These governments and people weren't sympathetic to the Croats or the Albanians. But Milosevic made them sympathetic by his actions.
(PEN, 9 January 2012 21:50)

Milosevic didn't coordinate his actions with Britain, France, etc. because he relied on Russia, or to be more precise on those forces in Russia which failed.

Or does a referendum only suit big powers to meets their ends?
(PapaJohn, 9 January 2012 22:19)

As far as I know all big and small powers are against this referendum, because it will undermine their friend Thaci's power.

IMHO they supported Montenegro referendum to undermine Serbia. They always support referendums for separation from Serbia and they never support Serbian referendums for separation from their ally countries.

In Australia, Montenegro is represented by both Serbia & Croatia? how does that work??
(Predrag, 9 January 2012 21:27)

Montenegrin citizens in Australia can go to either the Croatian Embassy or the Serbian embassy (or consulates) for consular services, such as needing a new passport, needing diplomatic protection or help etc. And people in Australia can go to either the Croatian or Serbian embassy to acquire a visa for Montenegro.

Basically Croatia's and Serbia's representatives in Australia will protect and help Montenegrin citizens due to the absence of Montenegrin representation in Australia.

EU citizens when abroad outside of the EU can use any EU country's Embassy, for example Maltese citizens in Lebanon took refuge in the French embassy during the 2006 Lebanon-Israel conflict as Malta doesn't have an embassy there. The same applies to Montenegrin citizens with Croatian and Serbian embassies, however I really doubt there would be a war in Australia.

Same country, same people. Utter stupditiy that the two countries are seperate.

What do you expect when you only have 600,000 tax payers? They can't afford anything, and need to be propped up by outsiders just to survive. This is a joke of a country, and I don't see it lasting too long. The president is a cigarette smuggling thief who would be rotting in jail had he not accepted the diktat from the NATO war criminals who control him.

"Serbia represents Montenegro in 42 countries"

Rather:

"Serbia subsidizes Montenegro in 42 countries"

It seems that independence is very popular, but paying for it is not. That is called having your cake and eating it.

Surely Djukanovic can simply ask the major tobacco companies to subsidize their representations abroad instead. After all, these companies turned a blind eye to Montenegro smuggling their products back in to the EU at low prices which might seem like a financial loss, in reality protects the next generation of addicts as the future market for its products.

To PEN:

Milosevic only did what Clinton (USA) told him to do, therefore, do not use Milosevic as a scapegoat. The reality is that Serbia is/was always oriented towards the east (Russia). That's a thorn in the eye for the west. The latter will continue to dismember Serbia until we become ethnics in other countries. Only a change from the present sellout government to a more nationalistic stance can save us.

The two country's are seperate because the US insisted on weakening Serbia. Kosovo was created for the same purpose. Any undermining of Serbia and you can be certain the US was and is involved. The Germans and British follow the same mindset. As far as they are concerned Milosevic is still in charge. They are not interested in the democratic credentials of modern day Serbia. The aim is to punish without let up. This may sound cynical, but I fear it is fact. And these states have done nothing to make me think otherwise.

I am by ancestry Serbian and Montenegrin, and always thought of myself as a Serbian from Montenegro. My mother was born in Serbia, and my father in Montenegro. So what the hell am I now? Since the US asked for a referendum in my country to break from Serbia, maybe the US can tell me what I am? Am I Serbian, or Montenegrin? I sure would like to know, I need an identity. BTW, can anyone debate the referendum coming up in N. KiM, by minority Serbs? Or does a referendum only suit big powers to meets their ends?

Same country, same people. Utter stupditiy that the two countries are seperate.
(SCP UK, 9 January 2012 13:03)

You're one of these typical nationalists from the Serb Diaspora who are very different to the Serbs of Serbia.

Bosniaks and Croats are also the same people as Serbs and Montenegrins, should we just re-establish Yugoslavia? Or would that idea be classed as "utter stupditiy" (sic) too?

-----------
(PEN, 9 January 2012 14:37)

Still believing Vojislav Šešelj's self confessed fictional conspiracy against the Serbs? This man would have you believe that the whole world is out against the Serbs. He wants Self Pity to become apart of the Serbian national identity to spread nationalism for his own (former) political gain. Šešelj himself has admitted that the fabricated conspiracy against the Serbs which he helped pioneer is in fact a myth.

-------------------

(Dragan, 9 January 2012 13:55)

Every country in the world cannot have diplomatic relations and offer consular services in ever other country in the world. Montenegro's diplomatic network is still growing and is relatively average for a country of it's size. Serbia wouldn't be where it is now diplomatically had it not been the sole inheritor of the diplomatic network established in Tito's Yugoslavia, Serbia's diplomatic network is abnormally large for a country it's size. Many countries provide consular services for citizens of neighbouring and friendly countries, it is only natural that Serbia provides consular services for citizens of Montenegro. Ireland is the only EU country to have a diplomatic representation in Lesotho and thus provides consular services for the other 26 EU countries.

Also it was Milo Đukanović who was accused of smuggling cigarettes in the 1990s. He is no longer in power and he was most recently the Prime Minister of Montenegro not the President.

"So what the hell am I now?"


It's up to you

@ ivan;

I'm not using Milosevic as a scapegoat. Whether or not clinton told him what to do is besides the point. You cannot deny his policies were a disaster for Serbia. You judge a leader by what he achieves for his people and his country. Serbia was ruined under Milosevic's misrule. War could have been prevented in the late 80's by getting the West onside. This attitude of my cause in righteous so I don't need to waste time explaining it to anybody is nonsensical. Yes, there were those traditionally hostile to Serbia like the Austrians, Germans and the Vatican who would never listen. But there were countries that Serbia could have worked with like Britain, France, Italy, and East European states. Instead of creating enemies everywhere. These governments and people weren't sympathetic to the Croats or the Albanians. But Milosevic made them sympathetic by his actions. And any way this has nothing to do with Montenegro's so-called 'independence.' I just thought I'd set the record straight.

What do you expect when you only have 600,000 tax payers? They can't afford anything, and need to be propped up by outsiders just to survive. This is a joke of a country, and I don't see it lasting too long. The president is a cigarette smuggling thief who would be rotting in jail had he not accepted the diktat from the NATO war criminals who control him.
(Dragan, 9 January 2012 13:55)

If its a joke of a country than what is Serbia? People that live in Montenegro make more than the average individual in Serbia, It is also by the coast, attracts more tourists, millionaires are constantly investing into the country.. and your clearly a peasant if you see the country folding..

What is the different between Tadic and Milo? same cancer but Tadic makes relations with nato in the dark shadow.

And if you don;t realize there are a lot of Serbs living in Montenegro so this would benefit them a lot.

Its time to look forward and its good that there is some good diplomatic relations between the two country..

So what the hell am I now? Since the US asked for a referendum in my country to break from Serbia, maybe the US can tell me what I am? Am I Serbian, or Montenegrin? I sure would like to know, I need an identity. BTW, can anyone debate the referendum coming up in N. KiM, by minority Serbs? Or does a referendum only suit big powers to meets their ends?
(PapaJohn, 9 January 2012 22:19)

If you need someone else to tell you what nationality you are , worrying about sombody elses referendum is the least of your problems.

Fine by me, as long as Montenegro actually pays for this service and not Serbian tax payers... again.

Or does a referendum only suit big powers to meets their ends?
(PapaJohn, 9 January 2012 22:19)

As far as I know all big and small powers are against this referendum, because it will undermine their friend Thaci's power.

IMHO they supported Montenegro referendum to undermine Serbia. They always support referendums for separation from Serbia and they never support Serbian referendums for separation from their ally countries.

But there were countries that Serbia could have worked with like Britain, France, Italy, and East European states. Instead of creating enemies everywhere. These governments and people weren't sympathetic to the Croats or the Albanians. But Milosevic made them sympathetic by his actions.
(PEN, 9 January 2012 21:50)

But Milosevic has gone since 2000. Why don't Britain, France, etc. try to respond to Serbia desperate efforts to regain friendly relationship? Instead they recognized Kosovo...

Yes, there were those traditionally hostile to Serbia like the Austrians, Germans and the Vatican who would never listen. But there were countries that Serbia could have worked with like Britain, France, Italy, and East European states. Instead of creating enemies everywhere. These governments and people weren't sympathetic to the Croats or the Albanians. But Milosevic made them sympathetic by his actions.
(PEN, 9 January 2012 21:50)

Milosevic didn't coordinate his actions with Britain, France, etc. because he relied on Russia, or to be more precise on those forces in Russia which failed.

In Australia, Montenegro is represented by both Serbia & Croatia? how does that work??
(Predrag, 9 January 2012 21:27)

Montenegrin citizens in Australia can go to either the Croatian Embassy or the Serbian embassy (or consulates) for consular services, such as needing a new passport, needing diplomatic protection or help etc. And people in Australia can go to either the Croatian or Serbian embassy to acquire a visa for Montenegro.

Basically Croatia's and Serbia's representatives in Australia will protect and help Montenegrin citizens due to the absence of Montenegrin representation in Australia.

EU citizens when abroad outside of the EU can use any EU country's Embassy, for example Maltese citizens in Lebanon took refuge in the French embassy during the 2006 Lebanon-Israel conflict as Malta doesn't have an embassy there. The same applies to Montenegrin citizens with Croatian and Serbian embassies, however I really doubt there would be a war in Australia.

In Australia, Montenegro is represented by both Serbia & Croatia? how does that work??