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Sunday, 08.01.2012.

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Thaci deputy: Tadić isn’t welcome in Kosovo

Kosovo Albanian Deputy PM Hajredin Kuci has said the Kosovo government will not allow Serbian President Boris Tadić to enter Kosovo in the future.

Izvor: Tanjug

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icj1

pre 12 godina

So we agree that Kosovo is governed by UNMIK as per UNSC resoltion 1244.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Of course, if that makes you happy. And that also means that it is not governed by Serbia.
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That means Kosovo cannot join UN as long as 1244 is valid.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Of course you are wrong. 1244 nowhere says that Kosovo cannot join the UN. However, that is a moot point for now as Kosovo has not applied to join the UN. When it applies, we can discuss about it.
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Any chance Russia will allow to scrap 1244?
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

That’s Russia’s business. So far nobody has introduced a resolution to scrap 1244. If Russia wishes to do so, it can go ahead. Not sure though the others will agree because Kosovo’s UDI is in accordance with 1244 and if 1244 no longer exists that’s a problem (for Kosovo’s UDI).
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Maybe.... but Russia's price will be very high.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Serbia may be willing to pay it so that’s its army can return to Kosovo.
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Probably the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia!
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Sure, Serbia may have to agree to recognize them.
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And what about China? China has nothing to gain by recognizing Kosovo. As China knows what this means for Tibet and Tawain...
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Well, 1244 or no 1244 China is still free to recognize or not-recognize Kosovo and China also knows that it means nothing for Tibet and Taiwan.

pss

pre 12 godina

Staff, 9 January 2012 19:43
For once some of what you say is true but also what Ian says is true. Eulex's mandate is set to expire, of course it will be renewed and there is no plans for it to go away immediately by anyone that I know of.
As far as UNMIK "running" Kosovo you need to check your sources. 1244 says as institutions are formed in Pristina that it is the mandate of the civilian presence (UNMIK) to turn over the responsibilities to them. UNMIK downsized because this was being done. As far as the last few competencies of UNMIK, if you have watched any of the UNSC sessions you would have seen that Ban and the special representative have said time and again that UNMIK has shifter to a liason role interacting in situations where govts and orgs that do not recognize the Pristina authorities. Even at the UNSC the special representative gives a report of the situation in Kosovo, he does not mention any administrative duties performed by himself or his office.
Being truthful when was the last time you see UNMIK performing more than an observation/liason task.
And yes Ron 1244 is still active, maybe you should read it sometime as it was designed as a working document and the situation in June 1999 is different from the situation in January 2012 as per the mandate of 1244.

johny

pre 12 godina

balkan anthropologist this in my opinion is not about sensitivities at all. As a matter of fact I couldnt give a rats a..s if Tadic gets a megaphone and yells in the center of Prishtina " Kosova Je Serbia" tomorrow. Where some Albanians, including me, made a mistake is in thinking that Tadic is a man of his word, a man that knows what exploitation of religion for political purposes leads to and the disastreous consequences of such behavior. Self-determination was right. All Serb politicians are spineless charicatures of men; exploiting religion for political gains is perfectly ethical in their twisted world. Of course such twisted perversions are more than ok for most Serbs in here; claiming holy religious days but certainly dehumanizing others without the slightest problem on their holy day.

Ron

pre 12 godina

So we agree that Kosovo is governed by UNMIK as per UNSC resoltion 1244. That means Kosovo cannot join UN as long as 1244 is valid.
Any chance Russia will allow to scrap 1244? Maybe.... but Russia's price will be very high. Probably the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia!

And what about China? China has nothing to gain by recognizing Kosovo. As China knows what this means for Tibet and Tawain...

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Well, please check 1244: it is still valid!
(Ron, 9 January 2012 19:18)

Please check UNMIK's website in June 2008 where they decided to reform, downsize and surrender power the Kosovo Assembly to reflected the reality and situation on the ground. I agree UNSCR 1244 is still valid per the ICJ verdict.

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(Staff, 9 January 2012 19:43)

UNMIK disagrees with you. UNMIK does not claim to administrate Kosovo.

Where did I get this information about EULEX expiring June? Well I got it from the EULEX website of course. Straight from the horse's mouth.

http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/en/pressreleases/0065.php

Let me show you this quote from their site: "The Council adopted a decision extending the European Union rule of law mission in Kosovo (EULEX Kosovo) for a period of two years until 14 June 2012."

A much more reliable source than you supposedly asking a "chief personell section in Brussels".

Staff

pre 12 godina

Then we have the international policing and judicial mission EULEX which works with UNMIK, but the EULEX mission is set to expire this June.

KFOR, UNMIK and EULEX do not administrate or run Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 9 January 2012 14:11)

Ian, Ian, Ian.....or Imer....or Idriz...
You seems to have more information than the UN and EU.
Let me give you an expaination how it is, no matter if you are Albanian, Serbian, American or Chinese.

Unmik runs Kosovo until UNSC says otherwise. It does not matter if there is one or ten thousand Unmik personell stationed in Kosovo. No one disagree with this.
EU with their rule of law mission works under Unmik via 1244. (If Unmiks 1244 is void, and the only ones who can take it away is the UNSC, Eulex can not be in Kosovo a second more.) No one disagree with this.

If YOU disagree with the above, well I am sorry for you, but you have absolutely zero saying, Im afraid.

You say that "the EULEX mission is set to expire this June"

Where on earth have you got this information from. Give me a link please.
Because the fact is, Eulex have recieved 200 internationals since 1 Nov 2011. About 500 are to arrive this spring and another 500 are going to be recruited in summer-autumn to change the present personell.

I asked a chief personell section in Brussels in October about Eulex and he said that Eulex will be in Kosovo at least another 8-10 years to come for the majority of the posts even if he said that the mission will decrease with aprox 200 officers, 10%.

Ivan

pre 12 godina

Things like this are said by thaci to ignite anger in Serbs. Every word he says only comes out if it is an approved message from NATO. If you were to tlak to 10 people who are not biased to the situation in Kosovo by some way, and they knew who thaci was, i would bet my life that at least 9 out of 10 would call him a drug peddling criminal. But sadly under the current media we have he is painted as a freedom fighter and actually given power. Its a perfect model mirroring the wests way of thinking and their politics.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.
(Anonymous, 8 January 2012 16:28)

You really think that?

KFOR is an international peacekeeping mission whose aim is to secure stability in Kosovo, not to administrate or "run" Kosovo.

UNMIK did used to have a big role in administrating Kosovo alongside the institutions of self government in Kosovo. However UNMIK barely does anything these days, there are about 20 UNMIK staff in Kosovo now and all they do is write reports to the UNSC and Ban Ki-Moon; by no means do they administrate or "run" Kosovo. UNMIK staffing levels were cut by 70% in August 2008 and there has been further cutting to staff levels since. Also UNMIK transferred power to the Kosovo Assembly in the first half of 2008.

Then we have the international policing and judicial mission EULEX which works with UNMIK, but the EULEX mission is set to expire this June.

KFOR, UNMIK and EULEX do not administrate or run Kosovo.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

Poor Boris is absolutley loathed by everyone, Thaci, Kurti, K-Albanian hypernationalists, trade unionists, farmers, Sandzak Muslims, Serb diaspora, Serb nationalists, LDP, Ian, Hungarian Joe of Jobbik, Captain Frisco as well as Western political figures who are bloody well exasperated that he hasn't rolled over like he was supposed to years ago. Have I missed anyone?

No wonder he's as grey as a badger.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

it is totally irrelevant as to whether or not Tadic will be in power in the next few months or not. All he was doing was stating the fact that Kosovo is and always will be part of Serbia and that Serbia, along with other members of the EU, will never recognise its independence.It leads me to ask the question, how can Mrs merkel (Thatcher re-incarnated), expect Serbia to recognise Kosovo as part of the "invitation" to the shambolic circus known as the EU.
(Iggy Bhoy, 9 January 2012 00:37)

Yeh yeh I've heard that same nothing argument a hundred times before. Your comment barely relates to mine, I don't know why you bothered telling me all this and you failed in answering the questions I brought up. Here is my answer to your question, because Merkel can.

sarcasm if you did not recognize

pre 12 godina

UNMIK is essentially gone, with very few people and little to no effective influence. EULEX has taken over the job that UNMIK did in the past, but now EULEX is seriously downsizing. EULEX largely lets the Kosovo government do what it wants, and only gets involved when absolutely necessary, so Thaci does largely run Kosovo, and generally gets what he wants.
(Glenn, 9 January 2012 08:25)

What do you mean UNMIK is gone? If you look at Ban's report each month it lists the number of UNMIK personnel in Kosovo, as of the last report there were still 16 people there. (And Serbs want UNMIK to investigate the organ harvesting, probably take them 100 years or more) you add that to the fact that each time Ban highlights the fact that special representative is ineffective because Pristina no longer recognizes any of his authority, I would say UNMIK is alive and functioning well.

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Id love to see Pristina stop him from returning to Kosovo again! Wether it be for Orthodox Christmas or Easter or Both hell be back in Kosovo again. KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.
(Anonymous, 8 January 2012 16:28)

It is true that the internationals largely maintain absolute control in Kosovo, but the reality on the ground is much different than you envision.

UNMIK is essentially gone, with very few people and little to no effective influence. EULEX has taken over the job that UNMIK did in the past, but now EULEX is seriously downsizing. EULEX largely lets the Kosovo government do what it wants, and only gets involved when absolutely necessary, so Thaci does largely run Kosovo, and generally gets what he wants.

Nenad

pre 12 godina

If so called KosovA is independent than Albanians should not bother about Tadic's statements. But it's not independent and Mr. Tadic just reminded them about that. I don't see any political statements here just usual statement by a Serbian president and Kosovo and Metohija are Serbian lands.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Thaci deputy: Tadić isn’t welcome in Kosovo

Well, I am sorry to disappoint the K Albanian readers, but the temporary institutions in Kosovo (Thaci etc), has absolutely no saying on this topic whatsoever. Sorry, but if you believe otherwise, you have been pranked.
(Staff, 8 January 2012 21:35)

Who is going to escort and guard him next time then? Obviously not Serbian Police as they have no jurisdiction in Kosovo. Kosovo Police answer to the Republic of Kosovo aka Thaci's Government and EULEX aka the international policing and judicial mission is set to expire this summer. So I ask you, who will escort the next and provide security for Tadic or his successor in the event of a future visit? Serbian politicians have been turned away from entering Kosovo before, what is to stop this from happening again? You're the one who has been pranked.

Iggy Bhoy

pre 12 godina

Ian Uk,

it is totally irrelevant as to whether or not Tadic will be in power in the next few months or not. All he was doing was stating the fact that Kosovo is and always will be part of Serbia and that Serbia, along with other members of the EU, will never recognise its independence.It leads me to ask the question, how can Mrs merkel (Thatcher re-incarnated), expect Serbia to recognise Kosovo as part of the "invitation" to the shambolic circus known as the EU.

Staff

pre 12 godina

Thaci deputy: Tadić isn’t welcome in Kosovo

Well, I am sorry to disappoint the K Albanian readers, but the temporary institutions in Kosovo (Thaci etc), has absolutely no saying on this topic whatsoever. Sorry, but if you believe otherwise, you have been pranked.

slavic

pre 12 godina

This is albanian way of democracy and again they showed albanian way of multiethnic society.
Now all the serbs living in KiM can see what they(Alb) want to with them.

QDUUN

pre 12 godina

Perhaps answering the reporters' question, Tadic should have said "it's a secret".
(aaayyy, 8 January 2012 20:08)

No, he should have said: "Since in the self-proclamined state of Kosovo people are not allowed to tell the truth, please ask Mr. Kuci, he knows well what the Serbian position on this topic is like" :)

Ardyl

pre 12 godina

This is part of Tadic's statement. He sad much more to to TV Most from Zvecan. Here is part of the text:

We will not accept to remove our institutions. This is impossible. If we would do this, we would in long terms accept Serbs’ displacement from Kosovo and this would at the same time mean that there would be no schools, no health services and other social needs for Serbs in Kosovo”

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL what a joke. Tadic comes to Visoki Decani to talk about peace and compromise, and a reporter (probably planted by Pristina) asks him a question everyone knows the answer to, and only then after answering does Kuci blow a gasket. Did Tadic go with a planned speech? Did he start a rally? Did he call for the abolition of Albanian institutions? No. He called for a preservation of Serb institutions that in no way get in the way of Albanian. Albanian sensitivities are beyond laughable and are only using this event as a way of trying to get attention. First they throw stones then they cry foul. Sorry kids, no one is listening :)

See you at Easter :)

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

Then again will Tadic be in power next Easter???
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2012 15:19)

Who knows. But in case if not, I'm sure the 'Kosovo deputy PM' will be happy to welcome Mr. Nicolic instead :)

A guest

pre 12 godina

Tadic has repeatedly violated the commitment not to abuse this privat visit for political statements. He did the same thing last year and still got another chance this year. Now it is enough. For Easter and all other following events, Tadic or any other Serbian official will be denied access to Kosovo.
(John, 8 January 2012 15:34)

... bla bla bla ....

Anonymous

pre 12 godina

Id love to see Pristina stop him from returning to Kosovo again! Wether it be for Orthodox Christmas or Easter or Both hell be back in Kosovo again. KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Oh no he didn't!

Easter will be very interesting as well all know Tadic only goes to Kosovo for Orthodox Christmas and Easter.

Then again will Tadic be in power next Easter???

John

pre 12 godina

Tadic has repeatedly violated the commitment not to abuse this privat visit for political statements. He did the same thing last year and still got another chance this year. Now it is enough. For Easter and all other following events, Tadic or any other Serbian official will be denied access to Kosovo.

John

pre 12 godina

Tadic has repeatedly violated the commitment not to abuse this privat visit for political statements. He did the same thing last year and still got another chance this year. Now it is enough. For Easter and all other following events, Tadic or any other Serbian official will be denied access to Kosovo.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Oh no he didn't!

Easter will be very interesting as well all know Tadic only goes to Kosovo for Orthodox Christmas and Easter.

Then again will Tadic be in power next Easter???

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL what a joke. Tadic comes to Visoki Decani to talk about peace and compromise, and a reporter (probably planted by Pristina) asks him a question everyone knows the answer to, and only then after answering does Kuci blow a gasket. Did Tadic go with a planned speech? Did he start a rally? Did he call for the abolition of Albanian institutions? No. He called for a preservation of Serb institutions that in no way get in the way of Albanian. Albanian sensitivities are beyond laughable and are only using this event as a way of trying to get attention. First they throw stones then they cry foul. Sorry kids, no one is listening :)

See you at Easter :)

Anonymous

pre 12 godina

Id love to see Pristina stop him from returning to Kosovo again! Wether it be for Orthodox Christmas or Easter or Both hell be back in Kosovo again. KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.

A guest

pre 12 godina

Tadic has repeatedly violated the commitment not to abuse this privat visit for political statements. He did the same thing last year and still got another chance this year. Now it is enough. For Easter and all other following events, Tadic or any other Serbian official will be denied access to Kosovo.
(John, 8 January 2012 15:34)

... bla bla bla ....

Staff

pre 12 godina

Thaci deputy: Tadić isn’t welcome in Kosovo

Well, I am sorry to disappoint the K Albanian readers, but the temporary institutions in Kosovo (Thaci etc), has absolutely no saying on this topic whatsoever. Sorry, but if you believe otherwise, you have been pranked.

slavic

pre 12 godina

This is albanian way of democracy and again they showed albanian way of multiethnic society.
Now all the serbs living in KiM can see what they(Alb) want to with them.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

Then again will Tadic be in power next Easter???
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2012 15:19)

Who knows. But in case if not, I'm sure the 'Kosovo deputy PM' will be happy to welcome Mr. Nicolic instead :)

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

Poor Boris is absolutley loathed by everyone, Thaci, Kurti, K-Albanian hypernationalists, trade unionists, farmers, Sandzak Muslims, Serb diaspora, Serb nationalists, LDP, Ian, Hungarian Joe of Jobbik, Captain Frisco as well as Western political figures who are bloody well exasperated that he hasn't rolled over like he was supposed to years ago. Have I missed anyone?

No wonder he's as grey as a badger.

Ardyl

pre 12 godina

This is part of Tadic's statement. He sad much more to to TV Most from Zvecan. Here is part of the text:

We will not accept to remove our institutions. This is impossible. If we would do this, we would in long terms accept Serbs’ displacement from Kosovo and this would at the same time mean that there would be no schools, no health services and other social needs for Serbs in Kosovo”

Nenad

pre 12 godina

If so called KosovA is independent than Albanians should not bother about Tadic's statements. But it's not independent and Mr. Tadic just reminded them about that. I don't see any political statements here just usual statement by a Serbian president and Kosovo and Metohija are Serbian lands.

Staff

pre 12 godina

Then we have the international policing and judicial mission EULEX which works with UNMIK, but the EULEX mission is set to expire this June.

KFOR, UNMIK and EULEX do not administrate or run Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 9 January 2012 14:11)

Ian, Ian, Ian.....or Imer....or Idriz...
You seems to have more information than the UN and EU.
Let me give you an expaination how it is, no matter if you are Albanian, Serbian, American or Chinese.

Unmik runs Kosovo until UNSC says otherwise. It does not matter if there is one or ten thousand Unmik personell stationed in Kosovo. No one disagree with this.
EU with their rule of law mission works under Unmik via 1244. (If Unmiks 1244 is void, and the only ones who can take it away is the UNSC, Eulex can not be in Kosovo a second more.) No one disagree with this.

If YOU disagree with the above, well I am sorry for you, but you have absolutely zero saying, Im afraid.

You say that "the EULEX mission is set to expire this June"

Where on earth have you got this information from. Give me a link please.
Because the fact is, Eulex have recieved 200 internationals since 1 Nov 2011. About 500 are to arrive this spring and another 500 are going to be recruited in summer-autumn to change the present personell.

I asked a chief personell section in Brussels in October about Eulex and he said that Eulex will be in Kosovo at least another 8-10 years to come for the majority of the posts even if he said that the mission will decrease with aprox 200 officers, 10%.

Ivan

pre 12 godina

Things like this are said by thaci to ignite anger in Serbs. Every word he says only comes out if it is an approved message from NATO. If you were to tlak to 10 people who are not biased to the situation in Kosovo by some way, and they knew who thaci was, i would bet my life that at least 9 out of 10 would call him a drug peddling criminal. But sadly under the current media we have he is painted as a freedom fighter and actually given power. Its a perfect model mirroring the wests way of thinking and their politics.

QDUUN

pre 12 godina

Perhaps answering the reporters' question, Tadic should have said "it's a secret".
(aaayyy, 8 January 2012 20:08)

No, he should have said: "Since in the self-proclamined state of Kosovo people are not allowed to tell the truth, please ask Mr. Kuci, he knows well what the Serbian position on this topic is like" :)

Iggy Bhoy

pre 12 godina

Ian Uk,

it is totally irrelevant as to whether or not Tadic will be in power in the next few months or not. All he was doing was stating the fact that Kosovo is and always will be part of Serbia and that Serbia, along with other members of the EU, will never recognise its independence.It leads me to ask the question, how can Mrs merkel (Thatcher re-incarnated), expect Serbia to recognise Kosovo as part of the "invitation" to the shambolic circus known as the EU.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Thaci deputy: Tadić isn’t welcome in Kosovo

Well, I am sorry to disappoint the K Albanian readers, but the temporary institutions in Kosovo (Thaci etc), has absolutely no saying on this topic whatsoever. Sorry, but if you believe otherwise, you have been pranked.
(Staff, 8 January 2012 21:35)

Who is going to escort and guard him next time then? Obviously not Serbian Police as they have no jurisdiction in Kosovo. Kosovo Police answer to the Republic of Kosovo aka Thaci's Government and EULEX aka the international policing and judicial mission is set to expire this summer. So I ask you, who will escort the next and provide security for Tadic or his successor in the event of a future visit? Serbian politicians have been turned away from entering Kosovo before, what is to stop this from happening again? You're the one who has been pranked.

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Id love to see Pristina stop him from returning to Kosovo again! Wether it be for Orthodox Christmas or Easter or Both hell be back in Kosovo again. KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.
(Anonymous, 8 January 2012 16:28)

It is true that the internationals largely maintain absolute control in Kosovo, but the reality on the ground is much different than you envision.

UNMIK is essentially gone, with very few people and little to no effective influence. EULEX has taken over the job that UNMIK did in the past, but now EULEX is seriously downsizing. EULEX largely lets the Kosovo government do what it wants, and only gets involved when absolutely necessary, so Thaci does largely run Kosovo, and generally gets what he wants.

sarcasm if you did not recognize

pre 12 godina

UNMIK is essentially gone, with very few people and little to no effective influence. EULEX has taken over the job that UNMIK did in the past, but now EULEX is seriously downsizing. EULEX largely lets the Kosovo government do what it wants, and only gets involved when absolutely necessary, so Thaci does largely run Kosovo, and generally gets what he wants.
(Glenn, 9 January 2012 08:25)

What do you mean UNMIK is gone? If you look at Ban's report each month it lists the number of UNMIK personnel in Kosovo, as of the last report there were still 16 people there. (And Serbs want UNMIK to investigate the organ harvesting, probably take them 100 years or more) you add that to the fact that each time Ban highlights the fact that special representative is ineffective because Pristina no longer recognizes any of his authority, I would say UNMIK is alive and functioning well.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.
(Anonymous, 8 January 2012 16:28)

You really think that?

KFOR is an international peacekeeping mission whose aim is to secure stability in Kosovo, not to administrate or "run" Kosovo.

UNMIK did used to have a big role in administrating Kosovo alongside the institutions of self government in Kosovo. However UNMIK barely does anything these days, there are about 20 UNMIK staff in Kosovo now and all they do is write reports to the UNSC and Ban Ki-Moon; by no means do they administrate or "run" Kosovo. UNMIK staffing levels were cut by 70% in August 2008 and there has been further cutting to staff levels since. Also UNMIK transferred power to the Kosovo Assembly in the first half of 2008.

Then we have the international policing and judicial mission EULEX which works with UNMIK, but the EULEX mission is set to expire this June.

KFOR, UNMIK and EULEX do not administrate or run Kosovo.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

it is totally irrelevant as to whether or not Tadic will be in power in the next few months or not. All he was doing was stating the fact that Kosovo is and always will be part of Serbia and that Serbia, along with other members of the EU, will never recognise its independence.It leads me to ask the question, how can Mrs merkel (Thatcher re-incarnated), expect Serbia to recognise Kosovo as part of the "invitation" to the shambolic circus known as the EU.
(Iggy Bhoy, 9 January 2012 00:37)

Yeh yeh I've heard that same nothing argument a hundred times before. Your comment barely relates to mine, I don't know why you bothered telling me all this and you failed in answering the questions I brought up. Here is my answer to your question, because Merkel can.

Ron

pre 12 godina

So we agree that Kosovo is governed by UNMIK as per UNSC resoltion 1244. That means Kosovo cannot join UN as long as 1244 is valid.
Any chance Russia will allow to scrap 1244? Maybe.... but Russia's price will be very high. Probably the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia!

And what about China? China has nothing to gain by recognizing Kosovo. As China knows what this means for Tibet and Tawain...

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Well, please check 1244: it is still valid!
(Ron, 9 January 2012 19:18)

Please check UNMIK's website in June 2008 where they decided to reform, downsize and surrender power the Kosovo Assembly to reflected the reality and situation on the ground. I agree UNSCR 1244 is still valid per the ICJ verdict.

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(Staff, 9 January 2012 19:43)

UNMIK disagrees with you. UNMIK does not claim to administrate Kosovo.

Where did I get this information about EULEX expiring June? Well I got it from the EULEX website of course. Straight from the horse's mouth.

http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/en/pressreleases/0065.php

Let me show you this quote from their site: "The Council adopted a decision extending the European Union rule of law mission in Kosovo (EULEX Kosovo) for a period of two years until 14 June 2012."

A much more reliable source than you supposedly asking a "chief personell section in Brussels".

johny

pre 12 godina

balkan anthropologist this in my opinion is not about sensitivities at all. As a matter of fact I couldnt give a rats a..s if Tadic gets a megaphone and yells in the center of Prishtina " Kosova Je Serbia" tomorrow. Where some Albanians, including me, made a mistake is in thinking that Tadic is a man of his word, a man that knows what exploitation of religion for political purposes leads to and the disastreous consequences of such behavior. Self-determination was right. All Serb politicians are spineless charicatures of men; exploiting religion for political gains is perfectly ethical in their twisted world. Of course such twisted perversions are more than ok for most Serbs in here; claiming holy religious days but certainly dehumanizing others without the slightest problem on their holy day.

pss

pre 12 godina

Staff, 9 January 2012 19:43
For once some of what you say is true but also what Ian says is true. Eulex's mandate is set to expire, of course it will be renewed and there is no plans for it to go away immediately by anyone that I know of.
As far as UNMIK "running" Kosovo you need to check your sources. 1244 says as institutions are formed in Pristina that it is the mandate of the civilian presence (UNMIK) to turn over the responsibilities to them. UNMIK downsized because this was being done. As far as the last few competencies of UNMIK, if you have watched any of the UNSC sessions you would have seen that Ban and the special representative have said time and again that UNMIK has shifter to a liason role interacting in situations where govts and orgs that do not recognize the Pristina authorities. Even at the UNSC the special representative gives a report of the situation in Kosovo, he does not mention any administrative duties performed by himself or his office.
Being truthful when was the last time you see UNMIK performing more than an observation/liason task.
And yes Ron 1244 is still active, maybe you should read it sometime as it was designed as a working document and the situation in June 1999 is different from the situation in January 2012 as per the mandate of 1244.

icj1

pre 12 godina

So we agree that Kosovo is governed by UNMIK as per UNSC resoltion 1244.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Of course, if that makes you happy. And that also means that it is not governed by Serbia.
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That means Kosovo cannot join UN as long as 1244 is valid.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Of course you are wrong. 1244 nowhere says that Kosovo cannot join the UN. However, that is a moot point for now as Kosovo has not applied to join the UN. When it applies, we can discuss about it.
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Any chance Russia will allow to scrap 1244?
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

That’s Russia’s business. So far nobody has introduced a resolution to scrap 1244. If Russia wishes to do so, it can go ahead. Not sure though the others will agree because Kosovo’s UDI is in accordance with 1244 and if 1244 no longer exists that’s a problem (for Kosovo’s UDI).
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Maybe.... but Russia's price will be very high.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Serbia may be willing to pay it so that’s its army can return to Kosovo.
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Probably the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia!
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Sure, Serbia may have to agree to recognize them.
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And what about China? China has nothing to gain by recognizing Kosovo. As China knows what this means for Tibet and Tawain...
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Well, 1244 or no 1244 China is still free to recognize or not-recognize Kosovo and China also knows that it means nothing for Tibet and Taiwan.

John

pre 12 godina

Tadic has repeatedly violated the commitment not to abuse this privat visit for political statements. He did the same thing last year and still got another chance this year. Now it is enough. For Easter and all other following events, Tadic or any other Serbian official will be denied access to Kosovo.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Oh no he didn't!

Easter will be very interesting as well all know Tadic only goes to Kosovo for Orthodox Christmas and Easter.

Then again will Tadic be in power next Easter???

A guest

pre 12 godina

Tadic has repeatedly violated the commitment not to abuse this privat visit for political statements. He did the same thing last year and still got another chance this year. Now it is enough. For Easter and all other following events, Tadic or any other Serbian official will be denied access to Kosovo.
(John, 8 January 2012 15:34)

... bla bla bla ....

Anonymous

pre 12 godina

Id love to see Pristina stop him from returning to Kosovo again! Wether it be for Orthodox Christmas or Easter or Both hell be back in Kosovo again. KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.

Staff

pre 12 godina

Thaci deputy: Tadić isn’t welcome in Kosovo

Well, I am sorry to disappoint the K Albanian readers, but the temporary institutions in Kosovo (Thaci etc), has absolutely no saying on this topic whatsoever. Sorry, but if you believe otherwise, you have been pranked.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

Then again will Tadic be in power next Easter???
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2012 15:19)

Who knows. But in case if not, I'm sure the 'Kosovo deputy PM' will be happy to welcome Mr. Nicolic instead :)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL what a joke. Tadic comes to Visoki Decani to talk about peace and compromise, and a reporter (probably planted by Pristina) asks him a question everyone knows the answer to, and only then after answering does Kuci blow a gasket. Did Tadic go with a planned speech? Did he start a rally? Did he call for the abolition of Albanian institutions? No. He called for a preservation of Serb institutions that in no way get in the way of Albanian. Albanian sensitivities are beyond laughable and are only using this event as a way of trying to get attention. First they throw stones then they cry foul. Sorry kids, no one is listening :)

See you at Easter :)

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Thaci deputy: Tadić isn’t welcome in Kosovo

Well, I am sorry to disappoint the K Albanian readers, but the temporary institutions in Kosovo (Thaci etc), has absolutely no saying on this topic whatsoever. Sorry, but if you believe otherwise, you have been pranked.
(Staff, 8 January 2012 21:35)

Who is going to escort and guard him next time then? Obviously not Serbian Police as they have no jurisdiction in Kosovo. Kosovo Police answer to the Republic of Kosovo aka Thaci's Government and EULEX aka the international policing and judicial mission is set to expire this summer. So I ask you, who will escort the next and provide security for Tadic or his successor in the event of a future visit? Serbian politicians have been turned away from entering Kosovo before, what is to stop this from happening again? You're the one who has been pranked.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

it is totally irrelevant as to whether or not Tadic will be in power in the next few months or not. All he was doing was stating the fact that Kosovo is and always will be part of Serbia and that Serbia, along with other members of the EU, will never recognise its independence.It leads me to ask the question, how can Mrs merkel (Thatcher re-incarnated), expect Serbia to recognise Kosovo as part of the "invitation" to the shambolic circus known as the EU.
(Iggy Bhoy, 9 January 2012 00:37)

Yeh yeh I've heard that same nothing argument a hundred times before. Your comment barely relates to mine, I don't know why you bothered telling me all this and you failed in answering the questions I brought up. Here is my answer to your question, because Merkel can.

QDUUN

pre 12 godina

Perhaps answering the reporters' question, Tadic should have said "it's a secret".
(aaayyy, 8 January 2012 20:08)

No, he should have said: "Since in the self-proclamined state of Kosovo people are not allowed to tell the truth, please ask Mr. Kuci, he knows well what the Serbian position on this topic is like" :)

slavic

pre 12 godina

This is albanian way of democracy and again they showed albanian way of multiethnic society.
Now all the serbs living in KiM can see what they(Alb) want to with them.

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Id love to see Pristina stop him from returning to Kosovo again! Wether it be for Orthodox Christmas or Easter or Both hell be back in Kosovo again. KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.
(Anonymous, 8 January 2012 16:28)

It is true that the internationals largely maintain absolute control in Kosovo, but the reality on the ground is much different than you envision.

UNMIK is essentially gone, with very few people and little to no effective influence. EULEX has taken over the job that UNMIK did in the past, but now EULEX is seriously downsizing. EULEX largely lets the Kosovo government do what it wants, and only gets involved when absolutely necessary, so Thaci does largely run Kosovo, and generally gets what he wants.

Iggy Bhoy

pre 12 godina

Ian Uk,

it is totally irrelevant as to whether or not Tadic will be in power in the next few months or not. All he was doing was stating the fact that Kosovo is and always will be part of Serbia and that Serbia, along with other members of the EU, will never recognise its independence.It leads me to ask the question, how can Mrs merkel (Thatcher re-incarnated), expect Serbia to recognise Kosovo as part of the "invitation" to the shambolic circus known as the EU.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

KFOR and UNMIK run Kosovo, not Thaci or Kuci.
(Anonymous, 8 January 2012 16:28)

You really think that?

KFOR is an international peacekeeping mission whose aim is to secure stability in Kosovo, not to administrate or "run" Kosovo.

UNMIK did used to have a big role in administrating Kosovo alongside the institutions of self government in Kosovo. However UNMIK barely does anything these days, there are about 20 UNMIK staff in Kosovo now and all they do is write reports to the UNSC and Ban Ki-Moon; by no means do they administrate or "run" Kosovo. UNMIK staffing levels were cut by 70% in August 2008 and there has been further cutting to staff levels since. Also UNMIK transferred power to the Kosovo Assembly in the first half of 2008.

Then we have the international policing and judicial mission EULEX which works with UNMIK, but the EULEX mission is set to expire this June.

KFOR, UNMIK and EULEX do not administrate or run Kosovo.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Well, please check 1244: it is still valid!
(Ron, 9 January 2012 19:18)

Please check UNMIK's website in June 2008 where they decided to reform, downsize and surrender power the Kosovo Assembly to reflected the reality and situation on the ground. I agree UNSCR 1244 is still valid per the ICJ verdict.

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(Staff, 9 January 2012 19:43)

UNMIK disagrees with you. UNMIK does not claim to administrate Kosovo.

Where did I get this information about EULEX expiring June? Well I got it from the EULEX website of course. Straight from the horse's mouth.

http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/en/pressreleases/0065.php

Let me show you this quote from their site: "The Council adopted a decision extending the European Union rule of law mission in Kosovo (EULEX Kosovo) for a period of two years until 14 June 2012."

A much more reliable source than you supposedly asking a "chief personell section in Brussels".

Nenad

pre 12 godina

If so called KosovA is independent than Albanians should not bother about Tadic's statements. But it's not independent and Mr. Tadic just reminded them about that. I don't see any political statements here just usual statement by a Serbian president and Kosovo and Metohija are Serbian lands.

sarcasm if you did not recognize

pre 12 godina

UNMIK is essentially gone, with very few people and little to no effective influence. EULEX has taken over the job that UNMIK did in the past, but now EULEX is seriously downsizing. EULEX largely lets the Kosovo government do what it wants, and only gets involved when absolutely necessary, so Thaci does largely run Kosovo, and generally gets what he wants.
(Glenn, 9 January 2012 08:25)

What do you mean UNMIK is gone? If you look at Ban's report each month it lists the number of UNMIK personnel in Kosovo, as of the last report there were still 16 people there. (And Serbs want UNMIK to investigate the organ harvesting, probably take them 100 years or more) you add that to the fact that each time Ban highlights the fact that special representative is ineffective because Pristina no longer recognizes any of his authority, I would say UNMIK is alive and functioning well.

Ardyl

pre 12 godina

This is part of Tadic's statement. He sad much more to to TV Most from Zvecan. Here is part of the text:

We will not accept to remove our institutions. This is impossible. If we would do this, we would in long terms accept Serbs’ displacement from Kosovo and this would at the same time mean that there would be no schools, no health services and other social needs for Serbs in Kosovo”

Ivan

pre 12 godina

Things like this are said by thaci to ignite anger in Serbs. Every word he says only comes out if it is an approved message from NATO. If you were to tlak to 10 people who are not biased to the situation in Kosovo by some way, and they knew who thaci was, i would bet my life that at least 9 out of 10 would call him a drug peddling criminal. But sadly under the current media we have he is painted as a freedom fighter and actually given power. Its a perfect model mirroring the wests way of thinking and their politics.

Staff

pre 12 godina

Then we have the international policing and judicial mission EULEX which works with UNMIK, but the EULEX mission is set to expire this June.

KFOR, UNMIK and EULEX do not administrate or run Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 9 January 2012 14:11)

Ian, Ian, Ian.....or Imer....or Idriz...
You seems to have more information than the UN and EU.
Let me give you an expaination how it is, no matter if you are Albanian, Serbian, American or Chinese.

Unmik runs Kosovo until UNSC says otherwise. It does not matter if there is one or ten thousand Unmik personell stationed in Kosovo. No one disagree with this.
EU with their rule of law mission works under Unmik via 1244. (If Unmiks 1244 is void, and the only ones who can take it away is the UNSC, Eulex can not be in Kosovo a second more.) No one disagree with this.

If YOU disagree with the above, well I am sorry for you, but you have absolutely zero saying, Im afraid.

You say that "the EULEX mission is set to expire this June"

Where on earth have you got this information from. Give me a link please.
Because the fact is, Eulex have recieved 200 internationals since 1 Nov 2011. About 500 are to arrive this spring and another 500 are going to be recruited in summer-autumn to change the present personell.

I asked a chief personell section in Brussels in October about Eulex and he said that Eulex will be in Kosovo at least another 8-10 years to come for the majority of the posts even if he said that the mission will decrease with aprox 200 officers, 10%.

pss

pre 12 godina

Staff, 9 January 2012 19:43
For once some of what you say is true but also what Ian says is true. Eulex's mandate is set to expire, of course it will be renewed and there is no plans for it to go away immediately by anyone that I know of.
As far as UNMIK "running" Kosovo you need to check your sources. 1244 says as institutions are formed in Pristina that it is the mandate of the civilian presence (UNMIK) to turn over the responsibilities to them. UNMIK downsized because this was being done. As far as the last few competencies of UNMIK, if you have watched any of the UNSC sessions you would have seen that Ban and the special representative have said time and again that UNMIK has shifter to a liason role interacting in situations where govts and orgs that do not recognize the Pristina authorities. Even at the UNSC the special representative gives a report of the situation in Kosovo, he does not mention any administrative duties performed by himself or his office.
Being truthful when was the last time you see UNMIK performing more than an observation/liason task.
And yes Ron 1244 is still active, maybe you should read it sometime as it was designed as a working document and the situation in June 1999 is different from the situation in January 2012 as per the mandate of 1244.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

Poor Boris is absolutley loathed by everyone, Thaci, Kurti, K-Albanian hypernationalists, trade unionists, farmers, Sandzak Muslims, Serb diaspora, Serb nationalists, LDP, Ian, Hungarian Joe of Jobbik, Captain Frisco as well as Western political figures who are bloody well exasperated that he hasn't rolled over like he was supposed to years ago. Have I missed anyone?

No wonder he's as grey as a badger.

johny

pre 12 godina

balkan anthropologist this in my opinion is not about sensitivities at all. As a matter of fact I couldnt give a rats a..s if Tadic gets a megaphone and yells in the center of Prishtina " Kosova Je Serbia" tomorrow. Where some Albanians, including me, made a mistake is in thinking that Tadic is a man of his word, a man that knows what exploitation of religion for political purposes leads to and the disastreous consequences of such behavior. Self-determination was right. All Serb politicians are spineless charicatures of men; exploiting religion for political gains is perfectly ethical in their twisted world. Of course such twisted perversions are more than ok for most Serbs in here; claiming holy religious days but certainly dehumanizing others without the slightest problem on their holy day.

Ron

pre 12 godina

So we agree that Kosovo is governed by UNMIK as per UNSC resoltion 1244. That means Kosovo cannot join UN as long as 1244 is valid.
Any chance Russia will allow to scrap 1244? Maybe.... but Russia's price will be very high. Probably the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia!

And what about China? China has nothing to gain by recognizing Kosovo. As China knows what this means for Tibet and Tawain...

icj1

pre 12 godina

So we agree that Kosovo is governed by UNMIK as per UNSC resoltion 1244.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Of course, if that makes you happy. And that also means that it is not governed by Serbia.
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That means Kosovo cannot join UN as long as 1244 is valid.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Of course you are wrong. 1244 nowhere says that Kosovo cannot join the UN. However, that is a moot point for now as Kosovo has not applied to join the UN. When it applies, we can discuss about it.
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Any chance Russia will allow to scrap 1244?
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

That’s Russia’s business. So far nobody has introduced a resolution to scrap 1244. If Russia wishes to do so, it can go ahead. Not sure though the others will agree because Kosovo’s UDI is in accordance with 1244 and if 1244 no longer exists that’s a problem (for Kosovo’s UDI).
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Maybe.... but Russia's price will be very high.
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Serbia may be willing to pay it so that’s its army can return to Kosovo.
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Probably the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia!
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Sure, Serbia may have to agree to recognize them.
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And what about China? China has nothing to gain by recognizing Kosovo. As China knows what this means for Tibet and Tawain...
(Ron, 10 January 2012 01:33)

Well, 1244 or no 1244 China is still free to recognize or not-recognize Kosovo and China also knows that it means nothing for Tibet and Taiwan.