(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31
You can say it over, and over and over again but in the end other than Serb ultrantionalists and Russians NO ONE is going to see the truck incident as a win for Russia. And I have my doubts that any of you do, you only want to make the appearance.
And I do believe it was intentionally provoked by Russia thinking there would be a huge international uproar about the EU preventing humanitarian aid to north Kosovo. but it backfired, you had the UN itself denying there was a humanitarian crisis in northern Kosovo.
let me tell you why the truck incident is most important. It shows that the Russians forced the EU to back down. The Russians picked the fight not the other way around.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure, they are welcome to “pick fights” in the future by staying for days out in the winter at the border crossing for however long Eulex wants them to stay there for any reason or no reason at all.
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Have you noticed that Putin sent an award to Milorad Dodik for the 20 aniversary of RS – these are diplomatic messages saying “this is ours and do not touch”.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure, it’s good for Milorad to read that message as well as the other similar messages he received from other countries.
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Leave the US and go to China fro a holiday and then comment.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure dear, I’ve been there and have seen the average Chinese earn a fraction of the average American.
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Like all people who have a problem in accepting reality you have to repeat over and over again before the message sinks in.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
You have not said yet your message, dear :)
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The US makes great fanfare when it run over or ruins a small country and walks around beating its chest about its greatness – much like the school yard bully picking on weak kids for their lunch money.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
I’ve not seen any fanfare from the US, but probably you guys in Malaysia have seen it. Are fanfares a popular musical instrument there ?
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Now it the turn of their victims to get joy out of the US misery being experienced now and yet to come.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
If I were the victim, I’m not sure that will send anything in my pockets. I’d go and work to earn some money; that will be the real joy. But by all means you are free to get joy from the average American living a much better life than the average, say, Chinese. Not sure though how that helps the average Chinese.
Wow I must have really stirred you up. As you seem to be less worldly than this bank teller from Malaysia (I doubt you even know where Malaysia is on a map) let me tell you why the truck incident is most important. It shows that the Russians forced the EU to back down. The Russians picked the fight not the other way around. Have you noticed that Putin sent an award to Milorad Dodik for the 20 aniversary of RS – these are diplomatic messages saying “this is ours and do not touch”.
You can have Malaysia as they are even worse than your Albanians and that is saying something. They are a bigoted, racist and lazy people; why even their constitution treats their fellow countrymen as second class citizens (ethnic Chinese).
Leave the US and go to China fro a holiday and then comment.
Like all people who have a problem in accepting reality you have to repeat over and over again before the message sinks in. The US makes great fanfare when it run over or ruins a small country and walks around beating its chest about its greatness – much like the school yard bully picking on weak kids for their lunch money.
Now it the turn of their victims to get joy out of the US misery being experienced now and yet to come.
sj,
I do need to respond, again this is coming from a less worldly American vs a bank teller in Malaysia but anyway. Your OHIO synopsis would only make sense if Ohio had declared independence. But again it has no bearing on Pristina, or the EU as they know the perceived outcome, and do not recognize the referendum as valid. For Pristina it will mean nothing, for the EU it will mean more pressure to have Serbia distance itself from the enclaves.
Another thing you keep mentioning in every single post hoping someone will bite is that none of the trucks were inspected. Who really cares.
There is one thing that the international community and Serbia and Kosovo are going to remember about the incident and that is Russian trucks were held up 3 days at the administrative crossing until they agreed to a EULEX escort. No one is going to really care if there was 1 car or 100 or if the trucks were inspected, or anything else. So keep reminding people as it goes in one ear and out the other.
But I do agree the vast majority of Americans are very unworldly, if they were to actually see how people in Kosovo, and Serbia and the general population in Malaysia and China actually live they would get down and kiss the soil of America every day.
They have a good life and do not pin their daily hopes on one day someone will collapse, It takes a different person to live day in and day out hoping today will bring misery to so many people.
Yes naturally they are pretending. What else are you going to say when neither the EU or your local thug Thaci cant do a dam thing about – lets repeat that for you again; they cant life a greasy finger against the Serbs and that is even after 80 countries have recognised the so called Kosova.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
Of course, even my Malaysian friend confirmed it. But, you are absolutely correct, dear. Thaci is not going to lift even half a greasy finger against those who recognize that the “Republic of Kosovo” exists in reality – why should he ?!
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Thaci wouldn’t know the time of day as he is a clinical moron which the west highly prizes as he is very easy to control. He is similar to your idiotic politicians in the US, the republican can not find a candidate to run against Obama because they are all halfwits and buffoons.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
I’m leaving the idiotic US politicians to you, dear. You appear to be much more concerned about their level of education or lack thereof. What they do or don’t do, doesn’t affect me.
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On the issue that the referendum is “recognising the so called Kosova”, wrong again mate. It a simple question asking the locals if they accept Pristina’s administration, much like asking whether the Chicago residents have confidence in the State government so hold off on opening the bubbly.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
No dear, it’s you who is wrong because it appears you haven’t read the referendum question, yet. It asks whether the voters accept the institutions of the “Republic of Kosovo”. So, unless N. Kosovo Serbs are hallucinating, it means that the “Republic of Kosovo” exists.
Let’s get one thing straight
sj,
I am so glad you are here to keep me "straight" However can you please shorten your responses, they are very tedious to read. I think to respond I will refer back to my original post as I don't think you countered anything factually fro what I said.
Have a good day mate.
Let’s get one thing straight, Thaci is not bright and that is what the US wants in its democratically elected leadership in Kosovo. He cannot wipe his bum without US permission so this game does not involve him at all otherwise the knucklehead would have taken action a long time ago and screwed it up completely then went running to mummy in Washington for help.
To say a yes vote means “we accept Kosovo as independent” is wrong as the referendum only talks about Pristina as a regional centre mate. Let me explain for you Americans that seem to be less worldly than the rest. If the people of Dayton in Ohio finds the administration in Columbus unreasonable they can hold a referendum to reject the administration in the capital; it does not mean they are acknowledging Ohio to break away or form a new country, and as Serbia sees Kosovo as an integral part then there is no problem.
For your information Belgrade lost control over the Serbs a long time ago and its the Russians at the helm. Well why do you think that 60000 people are pulling all the strings and NATO/EULEX/KFOR cannot do a thing? At the start Tadic agreed to NATO taking action, but that soon fell apart and now we have stagnation back on course.
My dear fellow Russian citizenship was mentioned by one of Putin’s ministers and it was a stunt to remind the west if they try and take action they would grant it; it’s a game, that’s all.
The only people this affects is the western quisling politicians in Belgrade like Trajkovic no one else – no bonus from the EU.
“..drive more of a wedge between Serbia and the north, Serbia and the EU and probably Serbia and Russia, should Russia come out with an endorsement after Serbia says they should not hold the referendums. “
Regardless of how western leaning Tadic and crew are, they are more than well aware that it’s now Russia in the drivers seat so Moscow does not have to announce a thing – who do you think has suggested this referendum? Abraham Lincoln? Who do you think protects the Serbs in Kosovo? America?
Look at the humanitarian aid that the west thought would be a good idea to stop. They NEVER OPENED UP ONE TRUCK; NOT ONE as they feared it would cause a real incident. In fact the people at the administrative border were told within 15 minutes to let them pass but the Russians thought it was a good idea to start something and that’s why they were there for 3 days not because EULEX stopped them.
The Russians are starting to spread their wings just look at the recent arrival of a Russian fleet in Syria. Your US is abandoning Europe and the Middle East to concentrate on China – you people are in real trouble if you believe this; try the money well is running dry; even CNN has stated that 50% of Americans have lost all of their wealth and you think the US has a 14 trillion dollar economy; keep on dreaming because that is all that is left.
USA United States of Albania, 9 January 2012 02:08)
I said …“…that does not use the same rhetoric as in the propaganda about an expanding EU and the heavenly rewards that go with it”. I suggest that you read my earlier post carefully again and most of your questions would have been answered.
This is my greatest complaint in that people talk about this EU as if it the magic pudding that is the prayer to all our ills such as makes the blind see and the cripple walk. Let me repeat NOT ONE person has been able to show the real benefits of joining the EU; NOT ONE without quoting the same stuff over and over again as if it’s a mantra to ward off evil spirits. If you don’t know then shut up and stop making comments on the subject.
Lets look at your comments closer:
“No boundaries among all EU countries, no passwords or visas necessary, easy travelling, possibility to move to any member country and find a job everywhere in a membership country (free transfer of persons).”
Yes that true but ask the Poles or Estonians or Latvians etc how they like their skilled people going to other parts of the EU to pick vegetables or fruit; or clean hotels for that matter for a couple of Euros an hour. That is the purpose of the new world order; an inexhaustible supply of cheap labour.
“This would lead also to the tightening of the cultural bonds with the rest of Europe. “
European countries have been doing the same for hundreds of years without the EU.
“There are economical benefits. Free transfer of goods, freedom to provide services, free transfer of capital; Unification of economical laws in all EU countries. In more detail: the EU economy would open the EU borders into Serbian products and the Serbian market would open to the products of other European countries. This should lead to more competitive market and lowering the prices. Change of the structure of the farms from many small farms to less bigger farms with better equipment and efficiency. Increase of the specialization in the farming. Serbian farmers would participate in a system of subvention”
Straight out of a text book. This is not an original thought, but watch how the Croats benefit out of joining. If you are a small player on the EU field you are going to get subsidised goods from places like France, the UK, Germany etc DUIMPED on your market at such low prices that the local farmers cannot compete. Ask the Hungarians how they went after they became a member; just ask them. Local farmers only a couple of kilometres outside Budapest were complaining that even with their low wages they could not sell their apples or other produce because subsided EU goods were cheaper.
“So thats the EU in a nutshell. Those are some great benefits. Since you would turn down this offer and list of benefits SJ, what other offers does Serbia have on the table? And please speak in specifics and detail. I personally believe Serbia has NO OTHER OPTION. Especially a country in Serbia's current condition NEEDS help. Mother Russia has no such alternative to offer you.”
What is a country like Serbia going to get from the EU? You are aware that there are European countries living very well outside of the EU?
The EU was designed to keep Europe from waring and with that give Germany a prominent role since its the one who keeps starting these wars and the rule of economics is the bigger you are the better off you are and the reverse goes if you are small. Serbia can only produce so much and export so much so joining is of little benefit except once in, it will have no say in its affairs as all decisions will be made in Brussels. Serbia’s economy was destroyed so that they will become reliant on the EU.
The EU is BROKE and this is no joke. It has asked the BRIC countries to invest in it Eurobonds so how is it going to help Serbia? The money well has run dry; and after the recent enlargement there are more countries with their hand out for help than the ones producing income.
The real problem with you Albanians is that you only hope is that Serbia that desperate to get into the EU that it will recognise Kosovo – sorry mate too late. Nearly 83% now do not want to join the EU and that horse has bolted a long time ago. It’s only the western paid lackeys that talk about this EU. Look how well Kosovo has gone in the last 12 years under the EU – povertyville incorporated to say the least; how many industries has the EU or US brought to your lot? NOT ONE.
If you live in some backward community look at where Europe will get 40% of its energy requirements and then come back and tell me how Russia is unimportant. Wit the Southstream pipeline Serbia will get more income and if your Albos don’t behave you will freeze in winter.
To (USA United States of Albania, 9 January 2012 02:08):
See, how many benefits the EU will bring. And the fastest way for Kosovo to become a part of EU is to join it as a part of Serbia.
(aaayyy, 9 January 2012 12:14)
One thing you are forgetting. Nothing Serbia has done so far has included Kosovo so it would be back to the drawing board for Serbia and probably another 5-6 years for it to be at this point again. Because Serbia would have to fix its then internal issues (concerning Kosovo) first.
Don't be so tough on Rada Serbs she is having a very nasty bad hair day as you see. Can't even use her blow dryer that is more serious urgent problem to solve then a silly referendum. What are Serbs voting for any ways ,holding a referendum don't tell me to secede from Serbia. Call it the true North Serba Krankina why not ,add one more fantasy land of the Serbs one disappears next one appears. The only problem is who will the Serbs murder ,ethnic cleans ,steal from as usual for this fantasy lands since all their neighbours are ready for them now.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04
UH why???
For 365 days last year it was said the north does not accept the authority of Pristina, it has consumed the news, no one is guessing what will be the outcome, the only surprise would be if they were to say yes we accept Kosovo as independent. That would blow people away.
It is not going to affect Pristina or the EU at all. They know the outcome of the referendum, it has no significance.
The only people it affects is Serbia itself. Because they have wanted to portray to the world that THEY still had control of the north, but the north is showing the world that Belgrade is no more in charge than Pristina.
It will have the same impact as the petition requesting Russian citizenship, that really knocked the international world---not.
It will drive more of a wedge between Serbia and the north, Serbia and the EU and probably Serbia and Russia, should Russia come out with an endorsement after Serbia says they should not hold the referendums.
As far a Kosovo and Thaci goes same story different day.
There are many benefits to joining the EU. There are political benefits. Participation in creating of United Europe; Serbian representation in EU Institutions; Increase of the stability of democratic system and safety of the state. No boundaries among all EU countries, no passwords or visas necessary, easy travelling, possibility to move to any member country and find a job everywhere in a membership country (free transfer of persons). This would lead also to the tightening of the cultural bonds with the rest of Europe. There are economical benefits. Free transfer of goods, freedom to provide services, free transfer of capital; Unification of economical laws in all EU countries. In more detail: the EU economy would open the EU borders into Serbian products and the Serbian market would open to the products of other European countries. This should lead to more competitive market and lowering the prices. Change of the structure of the farms from many small farms to less bigger farms with better equipment and efficiency. Increase of the specialization in the farming. Serbian farmers would participate in a system of subvention, the same that benefits the Western European farmers.
There are social benefits. Serbia would approach European standards in the aspect of the safety of its citizens, job safety, health, education, information and the higher quality of life in the general aspect. Serbian students could participate in the educational programs which give stipends for studying abroad. Children of people who would be working abroad would be able to attend local schools. But they would also be encouraged to develop their knowledge about their country of origin. There are environmental benefits. Serbia would implement European ecological norms that will improve the environment and the quality of the life of all of Serbian society. The ecology-friendly technologies will be implemented as well as the most rational and effective use of rough materials and the energy.
So thats the EU in a nutshell. Those are some great benefits. Since you would turn down this offer and list of benefits SJ, what other offers does Serbia have on the table? And please speak in specifics and detail. I personally believe Serbia has NO OTHER OPTION. Especially a country in Serbia's current condition NEEDS help. Mother Russia has no such alternative to offer you.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04)
They are just pretending, dear. They love the referendum but they don't say it because Serbs will always do the opposite of what Thaci says.
The reason Thaci loves it ? Simple... With the referendum Kosovo Serbs finally recognize that the "Republic of Kosovo" exists - just read the question asked in the referendum :)
(icj1, 8 January 2012 15:57)
Yes naturally they are pretending. What else are you going to say when neither the EU or your local thug Thaci cant do a dam thing about – lets repeat that for you again; they cant life a greasy finger against the Serbs and that is even after 80 countries have recognised the so called Kosova.
Thaci wouldn’t know the time of day as he is a clinical moron which the west highly prizes as he is very easy to control. He is similar to your idiotic politicians in the US, the republican can not find a candidate to run against Obama because they are all halfwits and buffoons.
On the issue that the referendum is “recognising the so called Kosova”, wrong again mate. It a simple question asking the locals if they accept Pristina’s administration, much like asking whether the Chicago residents have confidence in the State government so hold off on opening the bubbly.
The EU is worried because it more than complicates the situation where Belgrade cannot recognise Kosovo as an independent state which Tadic was more than happy to do. It creates a fissure in the integrity of Kosovo that will be there for all to see and will be used at every opportunity against the west which it thought has been laid to rest once and for all with this dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina.
But most importantly it keeps the pot boiling and watch Krakatoa explode next summer as the economic reality bites even further amongst the Albanians in Kosovo as the poverty increases to greater heights and Thaci use the police to keep any unrest under control.
Im sitting here rubbing the palms of my hand together laughing like an evil villain when I read articles such as this one mentioning "Kosovo Serbs referendum undermines Belgrade". This is all too too funny. 60,000 Kosovar Serbs are about to undermine 7,292,574 Serbs and their EU bid with one day of voting!!! Love it love it love it!! Team work Serbs!!
(USA United States of America, 8 January 2012 15:35)
It does not get any better than this comment. Me thinks you are rubbing something else than just your hands, but whatever turns you on.
Tell us Einstein what are the benefits of joining the EU? I’ve yet to hear one of your lot explain that does not use the same rhetoric as in the propaganda about an expanding EU and the heavenly rewards that go with it. .
I’ll start you off:
Visa free travel – Wow big deal; 10% of the populace in Eastern Europe cant travel without a visa.
Working in the EU – Wow you have qualified professionals from the east picking fruit and vegetables in France or Belgium for a couple of Euros per hour.
Trade – what this means, and Croatia will very soon find this out, is the big EU countries are going to use it to dump their subsided goods such as milk and dairy products, agricultural produce at minimum prices where the local farmers will not be able to compete.
Oh I nearly forgot the pots and pots of money on entering the EU!!!! Wrong again as the EU is literally struggling survive, so that has also gone.
Well I’m waiting for your response. This should good for a laugh or two at least.
Look at all the lapdogs coming out of the woodwork. Tadic is sending them out, one by one, begging them to convince Serbian patriots to cancel their democratic right to hold a referendum. And all this so he can get a cookie and a pat on the head from Merkel.
I say take your EU and stuff it, go and exploit croats and albanians all you want, but Serbs are free and independent people and we want no part of your undemocratic German run butt kissing club.
Im sitting here rubbing the palms of my hand together laughing like an evil villain when I read articles such as this one mentioning "Kosovo Serbs referendum undermines Belgrade". This is all too too funny. 60,000 Kosovar Serbs are about to undermine 7,292,574 Serbs and their EU bid with one day of voting!!! Love it love it love it!! Team work Serbs!!
All this reminds me of Slobodan Milošević’s time when people from Kosovo Polje used to barge in and dicate what would be done and how it would be done. And this is what we got...,“ Trajković pointed out.
Wow! Thats pretty strong language coming from a Serbian politician. And you know what? She is right! Stop allowing 60,000 people in Northern Kosova ruin Serbia and their future!! Serbia will let Kosova go eventually, but they might as well do it sooner rather than later.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04)
They are just pretending, dear. They love the referendum but they don't say it because Serbs will always do the opposite of what Thaci says.
The reason Thaci loves it ? Simple... With the referendum Kosovo Serbs finally recognize that the "Republic of Kosovo" exists - just read the question asked in the referendum :)
How could a referendum held in Kosovo, organized by local politicians/mayors with no connection to the Serbian state would undermine anything for Serbia?
(Analyst, 8 January 2012 12:41
Bingo, you win the prize. No connection to Serbian state, in order to salvage the EU Serbia has to draw that line-No connection with SErbian state it is an internal issue of Kosovo alone.
Finally a sell out has come out and said it – cancel the referendum otherwise no EU or should I say no solid gold goodies for these treacherous snakes like this poor excuse of an MP.
You only have to look at this person to see that she is a clone of western politicians; not very bright, in fact she looks dishevelled as if she slept in her cloths, but would at the drop of a hat sell one and all out for 30 pieces of silver.
Well Ms Trajković its not in the hands of the Belgrade Government; in fact Tadic and his crew have not control over this situation in Kosovo as its been taken over by a foreign power which has the interests of Serbs there at heart more than the entire Tadic government put together.
If anyone has doubted what I have said before that the Serbs in Kosovo are making fools of KFOR/NATO/EULEX and even Tadic then here it is in plain sight.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place. If this referendum means nothing the EU would never have been putting pressure on Belgrade to deal with this as a matter of urgency - it means the “splitting“ up of Kosovo.
The referendum will be held and not a single hand will be raised to stop it by the US, EU, or the goat herders in Pristina. Don’t get me wrong the Washington knuckleheads would love to try but they dare not as there other forces watching that could just cut off those greasy little fingers.
The discussions/agreements reached by Belgrade with the Albanians are not worth the paper they are written on. A new Government will come in after the March elections.
What is the point of all of this? Status Quo. NATO stopped in its tracks and let the pot boil as the EU recession deepens and watch Thaci launch his ROSU against his own people. And Thaci will do it with glee. He wants power and he will kill every Albanian in Kosovo if he has to – that’s what the US likes; a killer to their taste.
“Referendum in north will undermine Serbia”
Source: Beta
NOVI SAD -- Kosovo MP Rada Trajković says that the referendum in northern Kosovo is aimed at undermining Serbia’s EU perspective.
Comment -
This only shows that Srbia is standing on the Foot of Kosovo and,
If the Current Serbian Government push this further,
it will divide Serbia and the Serbian Peoples against themselves.
The Serbian People and its walue,
is far Greater than EU and,
A Government should sacrifice itself for its whole People
and not the other way around.
How could a referendum held in Kosovo, organized by local politicians/mayors with no connection to the Serbian state would undermine anything for Serbia?
Finally a sell out has come out and said it – cancel the referendum otherwise no EU or should I say no solid gold goodies for these treacherous snakes like this poor excuse of an MP.
You only have to look at this person to see that she is a clone of western politicians; not very bright, in fact she looks dishevelled as if she slept in her cloths, but would at the drop of a hat sell one and all out for 30 pieces of silver.
Well Ms Trajković its not in the hands of the Belgrade Government; in fact Tadic and his crew have not control over this situation in Kosovo as its been taken over by a foreign power which has the interests of Serbs there at heart more than the entire Tadic government put together.
If anyone has doubted what I have said before that the Serbs in Kosovo are making fools of KFOR/NATO/EULEX and even Tadic then here it is in plain sight.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place. If this referendum means nothing the EU would never have been putting pressure on Belgrade to deal with this as a matter of urgency - it means the “splitting“ up of Kosovo.
The referendum will be held and not a single hand will be raised to stop it by the US, EU, or the goat herders in Pristina. Don’t get me wrong the Washington knuckleheads would love to try but they dare not as there other forces watching that could just cut off those greasy little fingers.
The discussions/agreements reached by Belgrade with the Albanians are not worth the paper they are written on. A new Government will come in after the March elections.
What is the point of all of this? Status Quo. NATO stopped in its tracks and let the pot boil as the EU recession deepens and watch Thaci launch his ROSU against his own people. And Thaci will do it with glee. He wants power and he will kill every Albanian in Kosovo if he has to – that’s what the US likes; a killer to their taste.
Look at all the lapdogs coming out of the woodwork. Tadic is sending them out, one by one, begging them to convince Serbian patriots to cancel their democratic right to hold a referendum. And all this so he can get a cookie and a pat on the head from Merkel.
I say take your EU and stuff it, go and exploit croats and albanians all you want, but Serbs are free and independent people and we want no part of your undemocratic German run butt kissing club.
How could a referendum held in Kosovo, organized by local politicians/mayors with no connection to the Serbian state would undermine anything for Serbia?
“Referendum in north will undermine Serbia”
Source: Beta
NOVI SAD -- Kosovo MP Rada Trajković says that the referendum in northern Kosovo is aimed at undermining Serbia’s EU perspective.
Comment -
This only shows that Srbia is standing on the Foot of Kosovo and,
If the Current Serbian Government push this further,
it will divide Serbia and the Serbian Peoples against themselves.
The Serbian People and its walue,
is far Greater than EU and,
A Government should sacrifice itself for its whole People
and not the other way around.
Im sitting here rubbing the palms of my hand together laughing like an evil villain when I read articles such as this one mentioning "Kosovo Serbs referendum undermines Belgrade". This is all too too funny. 60,000 Kosovar Serbs are about to undermine 7,292,574 Serbs and their EU bid with one day of voting!!! Love it love it love it!! Team work Serbs!!
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04)
They are just pretending, dear. They love the referendum but they don't say it because Serbs will always do the opposite of what Thaci says.
The reason Thaci loves it ? Simple... With the referendum Kosovo Serbs finally recognize that the "Republic of Kosovo" exists - just read the question asked in the referendum :)
All this reminds me of Slobodan Milošević’s time when people from Kosovo Polje used to barge in and dicate what would be done and how it would be done. And this is what we got...,“ Trajković pointed out.
Wow! Thats pretty strong language coming from a Serbian politician. And you know what? She is right! Stop allowing 60,000 people in Northern Kosova ruin Serbia and their future!! Serbia will let Kosova go eventually, but they might as well do it sooner rather than later.
Don't be so tough on Rada Serbs she is having a very nasty bad hair day as you see. Can't even use her blow dryer that is more serious urgent problem to solve then a silly referendum. What are Serbs voting for any ways ,holding a referendum don't tell me to secede from Serbia. Call it the true North Serba Krankina why not ,add one more fantasy land of the Serbs one disappears next one appears. The only problem is who will the Serbs murder ,ethnic cleans ,steal from as usual for this fantasy lands since all their neighbours are ready for them now.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04)
They are just pretending, dear. They love the referendum but they don't say it because Serbs will always do the opposite of what Thaci says.
The reason Thaci loves it ? Simple... With the referendum Kosovo Serbs finally recognize that the "Republic of Kosovo" exists - just read the question asked in the referendum :)
(icj1, 8 January 2012 15:57)
Yes naturally they are pretending. What else are you going to say when neither the EU or your local thug Thaci cant do a dam thing about – lets repeat that for you again; they cant life a greasy finger against the Serbs and that is even after 80 countries have recognised the so called Kosova.
Thaci wouldn’t know the time of day as he is a clinical moron which the west highly prizes as he is very easy to control. He is similar to your idiotic politicians in the US, the republican can not find a candidate to run against Obama because they are all halfwits and buffoons.
On the issue that the referendum is “recognising the so called Kosova”, wrong again mate. It a simple question asking the locals if they accept Pristina’s administration, much like asking whether the Chicago residents have confidence in the State government so hold off on opening the bubbly.
The EU is worried because it more than complicates the situation where Belgrade cannot recognise Kosovo as an independent state which Tadic was more than happy to do. It creates a fissure in the integrity of Kosovo that will be there for all to see and will be used at every opportunity against the west which it thought has been laid to rest once and for all with this dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina.
But most importantly it keeps the pot boiling and watch Krakatoa explode next summer as the economic reality bites even further amongst the Albanians in Kosovo as the poverty increases to greater heights and Thaci use the police to keep any unrest under control.
Im sitting here rubbing the palms of my hand together laughing like an evil villain when I read articles such as this one mentioning "Kosovo Serbs referendum undermines Belgrade". This is all too too funny. 60,000 Kosovar Serbs are about to undermine 7,292,574 Serbs and their EU bid with one day of voting!!! Love it love it love it!! Team work Serbs!!
(USA United States of America, 8 January 2012 15:35)
It does not get any better than this comment. Me thinks you are rubbing something else than just your hands, but whatever turns you on.
Tell us Einstein what are the benefits of joining the EU? I’ve yet to hear one of your lot explain that does not use the same rhetoric as in the propaganda about an expanding EU and the heavenly rewards that go with it. .
I’ll start you off:
Visa free travel – Wow big deal; 10% of the populace in Eastern Europe cant travel without a visa.
Working in the EU – Wow you have qualified professionals from the east picking fruit and vegetables in France or Belgium for a couple of Euros per hour.
Trade – what this means, and Croatia will very soon find this out, is the big EU countries are going to use it to dump their subsided goods such as milk and dairy products, agricultural produce at minimum prices where the local farmers will not be able to compete.
Oh I nearly forgot the pots and pots of money on entering the EU!!!! Wrong again as the EU is literally struggling survive, so that has also gone.
Well I’m waiting for your response. This should good for a laugh or two at least.
How could a referendum held in Kosovo, organized by local politicians/mayors with no connection to the Serbian state would undermine anything for Serbia?
(Analyst, 8 January 2012 12:41
Bingo, you win the prize. No connection to Serbian state, in order to salvage the EU Serbia has to draw that line-No connection with SErbian state it is an internal issue of Kosovo alone.
There are many benefits to joining the EU. There are political benefits. Participation in creating of United Europe; Serbian representation in EU Institutions; Increase of the stability of democratic system and safety of the state. No boundaries among all EU countries, no passwords or visas necessary, easy travelling, possibility to move to any member country and find a job everywhere in a membership country (free transfer of persons). This would lead also to the tightening of the cultural bonds with the rest of Europe. There are economical benefits. Free transfer of goods, freedom to provide services, free transfer of capital; Unification of economical laws in all EU countries. In more detail: the EU economy would open the EU borders into Serbian products and the Serbian market would open to the products of other European countries. This should lead to more competitive market and lowering the prices. Change of the structure of the farms from many small farms to less bigger farms with better equipment and efficiency. Increase of the specialization in the farming. Serbian farmers would participate in a system of subvention, the same that benefits the Western European farmers.
There are social benefits. Serbia would approach European standards in the aspect of the safety of its citizens, job safety, health, education, information and the higher quality of life in the general aspect. Serbian students could participate in the educational programs which give stipends for studying abroad. Children of people who would be working abroad would be able to attend local schools. But they would also be encouraged to develop their knowledge about their country of origin. There are environmental benefits. Serbia would implement European ecological norms that will improve the environment and the quality of the life of all of Serbian society. The ecology-friendly technologies will be implemented as well as the most rational and effective use of rough materials and the energy.
So thats the EU in a nutshell. Those are some great benefits. Since you would turn down this offer and list of benefits SJ, what other offers does Serbia have on the table? And please speak in specifics and detail. I personally believe Serbia has NO OTHER OPTION. Especially a country in Serbia's current condition NEEDS help. Mother Russia has no such alternative to offer you.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04
UH why???
For 365 days last year it was said the north does not accept the authority of Pristina, it has consumed the news, no one is guessing what will be the outcome, the only surprise would be if they were to say yes we accept Kosovo as independent. That would blow people away.
It is not going to affect Pristina or the EU at all. They know the outcome of the referendum, it has no significance.
The only people it affects is Serbia itself. Because they have wanted to portray to the world that THEY still had control of the north, but the north is showing the world that Belgrade is no more in charge than Pristina.
It will have the same impact as the petition requesting Russian citizenship, that really knocked the international world---not.
It will drive more of a wedge between Serbia and the north, Serbia and the EU and probably Serbia and Russia, should Russia come out with an endorsement after Serbia says they should not hold the referendums.
As far a Kosovo and Thaci goes same story different day.
To (USA United States of Albania, 9 January 2012 02:08):
See, how many benefits the EU will bring. And the fastest way for Kosovo to become a part of EU is to join it as a part of Serbia.
(aaayyy, 9 January 2012 12:14)
One thing you are forgetting. Nothing Serbia has done so far has included Kosovo so it would be back to the drawing board for Serbia and probably another 5-6 years for it to be at this point again. Because Serbia would have to fix its then internal issues (concerning Kosovo) first.
USA United States of Albania, 9 January 2012 02:08)
I said …“…that does not use the same rhetoric as in the propaganda about an expanding EU and the heavenly rewards that go with it”. I suggest that you read my earlier post carefully again and most of your questions would have been answered.
This is my greatest complaint in that people talk about this EU as if it the magic pudding that is the prayer to all our ills such as makes the blind see and the cripple walk. Let me repeat NOT ONE person has been able to show the real benefits of joining the EU; NOT ONE without quoting the same stuff over and over again as if it’s a mantra to ward off evil spirits. If you don’t know then shut up and stop making comments on the subject.
Lets look at your comments closer:
“No boundaries among all EU countries, no passwords or visas necessary, easy travelling, possibility to move to any member country and find a job everywhere in a membership country (free transfer of persons).”
Yes that true but ask the Poles or Estonians or Latvians etc how they like their skilled people going to other parts of the EU to pick vegetables or fruit; or clean hotels for that matter for a couple of Euros an hour. That is the purpose of the new world order; an inexhaustible supply of cheap labour.
“This would lead also to the tightening of the cultural bonds with the rest of Europe. “
European countries have been doing the same for hundreds of years without the EU.
“There are economical benefits. Free transfer of goods, freedom to provide services, free transfer of capital; Unification of economical laws in all EU countries. In more detail: the EU economy would open the EU borders into Serbian products and the Serbian market would open to the products of other European countries. This should lead to more competitive market and lowering the prices. Change of the structure of the farms from many small farms to less bigger farms with better equipment and efficiency. Increase of the specialization in the farming. Serbian farmers would participate in a system of subvention”
Straight out of a text book. This is not an original thought, but watch how the Croats benefit out of joining. If you are a small player on the EU field you are going to get subsidised goods from places like France, the UK, Germany etc DUIMPED on your market at such low prices that the local farmers cannot compete. Ask the Hungarians how they went after they became a member; just ask them. Local farmers only a couple of kilometres outside Budapest were complaining that even with their low wages they could not sell their apples or other produce because subsided EU goods were cheaper.
“So thats the EU in a nutshell. Those are some great benefits. Since you would turn down this offer and list of benefits SJ, what other offers does Serbia have on the table? And please speak in specifics and detail. I personally believe Serbia has NO OTHER OPTION. Especially a country in Serbia's current condition NEEDS help. Mother Russia has no such alternative to offer you.”
What is a country like Serbia going to get from the EU? You are aware that there are European countries living very well outside of the EU?
The EU was designed to keep Europe from waring and with that give Germany a prominent role since its the one who keeps starting these wars and the rule of economics is the bigger you are the better off you are and the reverse goes if you are small. Serbia can only produce so much and export so much so joining is of little benefit except once in, it will have no say in its affairs as all decisions will be made in Brussels. Serbia’s economy was destroyed so that they will become reliant on the EU.
The EU is BROKE and this is no joke. It has asked the BRIC countries to invest in it Eurobonds so how is it going to help Serbia? The money well has run dry; and after the recent enlargement there are more countries with their hand out for help than the ones producing income.
The real problem with you Albanians is that you only hope is that Serbia that desperate to get into the EU that it will recognise Kosovo – sorry mate too late. Nearly 83% now do not want to join the EU and that horse has bolted a long time ago. It’s only the western paid lackeys that talk about this EU. Look how well Kosovo has gone in the last 12 years under the EU – povertyville incorporated to say the least; how many industries has the EU or US brought to your lot? NOT ONE.
If you live in some backward community look at where Europe will get 40% of its energy requirements and then come back and tell me how Russia is unimportant. Wit the Southstream pipeline Serbia will get more income and if your Albos don’t behave you will freeze in winter.
Let’s get one thing straight, Thaci is not bright and that is what the US wants in its democratically elected leadership in Kosovo. He cannot wipe his bum without US permission so this game does not involve him at all otherwise the knucklehead would have taken action a long time ago and screwed it up completely then went running to mummy in Washington for help.
To say a yes vote means “we accept Kosovo as independent” is wrong as the referendum only talks about Pristina as a regional centre mate. Let me explain for you Americans that seem to be less worldly than the rest. If the people of Dayton in Ohio finds the administration in Columbus unreasonable they can hold a referendum to reject the administration in the capital; it does not mean they are acknowledging Ohio to break away or form a new country, and as Serbia sees Kosovo as an integral part then there is no problem.
For your information Belgrade lost control over the Serbs a long time ago and its the Russians at the helm. Well why do you think that 60000 people are pulling all the strings and NATO/EULEX/KFOR cannot do a thing? At the start Tadic agreed to NATO taking action, but that soon fell apart and now we have stagnation back on course.
My dear fellow Russian citizenship was mentioned by one of Putin’s ministers and it was a stunt to remind the west if they try and take action they would grant it; it’s a game, that’s all.
The only people this affects is the western quisling politicians in Belgrade like Trajkovic no one else – no bonus from the EU.
“..drive more of a wedge between Serbia and the north, Serbia and the EU and probably Serbia and Russia, should Russia come out with an endorsement after Serbia says they should not hold the referendums. “
Regardless of how western leaning Tadic and crew are, they are more than well aware that it’s now Russia in the drivers seat so Moscow does not have to announce a thing – who do you think has suggested this referendum? Abraham Lincoln? Who do you think protects the Serbs in Kosovo? America?
Look at the humanitarian aid that the west thought would be a good idea to stop. They NEVER OPENED UP ONE TRUCK; NOT ONE as they feared it would cause a real incident. In fact the people at the administrative border were told within 15 minutes to let them pass but the Russians thought it was a good idea to start something and that’s why they were there for 3 days not because EULEX stopped them.
The Russians are starting to spread their wings just look at the recent arrival of a Russian fleet in Syria. Your US is abandoning Europe and the Middle East to concentrate on China – you people are in real trouble if you believe this; try the money well is running dry; even CNN has stated that 50% of Americans have lost all of their wealth and you think the US has a 14 trillion dollar economy; keep on dreaming because that is all that is left.
Let’s get one thing straight
sj,
I am so glad you are here to keep me "straight" However can you please shorten your responses, they are very tedious to read. I think to respond I will refer back to my original post as I don't think you countered anything factually fro what I said.
Have a good day mate.
Wow I must have really stirred you up. As you seem to be less worldly than this bank teller from Malaysia (I doubt you even know where Malaysia is on a map) let me tell you why the truck incident is most important. It shows that the Russians forced the EU to back down. The Russians picked the fight not the other way around. Have you noticed that Putin sent an award to Milorad Dodik for the 20 aniversary of RS – these are diplomatic messages saying “this is ours and do not touch”.
You can have Malaysia as they are even worse than your Albanians and that is saying something. They are a bigoted, racist and lazy people; why even their constitution treats their fellow countrymen as second class citizens (ethnic Chinese).
Leave the US and go to China fro a holiday and then comment.
Like all people who have a problem in accepting reality you have to repeat over and over again before the message sinks in. The US makes great fanfare when it run over or ruins a small country and walks around beating its chest about its greatness – much like the school yard bully picking on weak kids for their lunch money.
Now it the turn of their victims to get joy out of the US misery being experienced now and yet to come.
Yes naturally they are pretending. What else are you going to say when neither the EU or your local thug Thaci cant do a dam thing about – lets repeat that for you again; they cant life a greasy finger against the Serbs and that is even after 80 countries have recognised the so called Kosova.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
Of course, even my Malaysian friend confirmed it. But, you are absolutely correct, dear. Thaci is not going to lift even half a greasy finger against those who recognize that the “Republic of Kosovo” exists in reality – why should he ?!
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Thaci wouldn’t know the time of day as he is a clinical moron which the west highly prizes as he is very easy to control. He is similar to your idiotic politicians in the US, the republican can not find a candidate to run against Obama because they are all halfwits and buffoons.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
I’m leaving the idiotic US politicians to you, dear. You appear to be much more concerned about their level of education or lack thereof. What they do or don’t do, doesn’t affect me.
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On the issue that the referendum is “recognising the so called Kosova”, wrong again mate. It a simple question asking the locals if they accept Pristina’s administration, much like asking whether the Chicago residents have confidence in the State government so hold off on opening the bubbly.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
No dear, it’s you who is wrong because it appears you haven’t read the referendum question, yet. It asks whether the voters accept the institutions of the “Republic of Kosovo”. So, unless N. Kosovo Serbs are hallucinating, it means that the “Republic of Kosovo” exists.
sj,
I do need to respond, again this is coming from a less worldly American vs a bank teller in Malaysia but anyway. Your OHIO synopsis would only make sense if Ohio had declared independence. But again it has no bearing on Pristina, or the EU as they know the perceived outcome, and do not recognize the referendum as valid. For Pristina it will mean nothing, for the EU it will mean more pressure to have Serbia distance itself from the enclaves.
Another thing you keep mentioning in every single post hoping someone will bite is that none of the trucks were inspected. Who really cares.
There is one thing that the international community and Serbia and Kosovo are going to remember about the incident and that is Russian trucks were held up 3 days at the administrative crossing until they agreed to a EULEX escort. No one is going to really care if there was 1 car or 100 or if the trucks were inspected, or anything else. So keep reminding people as it goes in one ear and out the other.
But I do agree the vast majority of Americans are very unworldly, if they were to actually see how people in Kosovo, and Serbia and the general population in Malaysia and China actually live they would get down and kiss the soil of America every day.
They have a good life and do not pin their daily hopes on one day someone will collapse, It takes a different person to live day in and day out hoping today will bring misery to so many people.
let me tell you why the truck incident is most important. It shows that the Russians forced the EU to back down. The Russians picked the fight not the other way around.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure, they are welcome to “pick fights” in the future by staying for days out in the winter at the border crossing for however long Eulex wants them to stay there for any reason or no reason at all.
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Have you noticed that Putin sent an award to Milorad Dodik for the 20 aniversary of RS – these are diplomatic messages saying “this is ours and do not touch”.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure, it’s good for Milorad to read that message as well as the other similar messages he received from other countries.
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Leave the US and go to China fro a holiday and then comment.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure dear, I’ve been there and have seen the average Chinese earn a fraction of the average American.
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Like all people who have a problem in accepting reality you have to repeat over and over again before the message sinks in.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
You have not said yet your message, dear :)
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The US makes great fanfare when it run over or ruins a small country and walks around beating its chest about its greatness – much like the school yard bully picking on weak kids for their lunch money.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
I’ve not seen any fanfare from the US, but probably you guys in Malaysia have seen it. Are fanfares a popular musical instrument there ?
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Now it the turn of their victims to get joy out of the US misery being experienced now and yet to come.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
If I were the victim, I’m not sure that will send anything in my pockets. I’d go and work to earn some money; that will be the real joy. But by all means you are free to get joy from the average American living a much better life than the average, say, Chinese. Not sure though how that helps the average Chinese.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31
You can say it over, and over and over again but in the end other than Serb ultrantionalists and Russians NO ONE is going to see the truck incident as a win for Russia. And I have my doubts that any of you do, you only want to make the appearance.
And I do believe it was intentionally provoked by Russia thinking there would be a huge international uproar about the EU preventing humanitarian aid to north Kosovo. but it backfired, you had the UN itself denying there was a humanitarian crisis in northern Kosovo.
“Referendum in north will undermine Serbia”
Source: Beta
NOVI SAD -- Kosovo MP Rada Trajković says that the referendum in northern Kosovo is aimed at undermining Serbia’s EU perspective.
Comment -
This only shows that Srbia is standing on the Foot of Kosovo and,
If the Current Serbian Government push this further,
it will divide Serbia and the Serbian Peoples against themselves.
The Serbian People and its walue,
is far Greater than EU and,
A Government should sacrifice itself for its whole People
and not the other way around.
How could a referendum held in Kosovo, organized by local politicians/mayors with no connection to the Serbian state would undermine anything for Serbia?
All this reminds me of Slobodan Milošević’s time when people from Kosovo Polje used to barge in and dicate what would be done and how it would be done. And this is what we got...,“ Trajković pointed out.
Wow! Thats pretty strong language coming from a Serbian politician. And you know what? She is right! Stop allowing 60,000 people in Northern Kosova ruin Serbia and their future!! Serbia will let Kosova go eventually, but they might as well do it sooner rather than later.
Finally a sell out has come out and said it – cancel the referendum otherwise no EU or should I say no solid gold goodies for these treacherous snakes like this poor excuse of an MP.
You only have to look at this person to see that she is a clone of western politicians; not very bright, in fact she looks dishevelled as if she slept in her cloths, but would at the drop of a hat sell one and all out for 30 pieces of silver.
Well Ms Trajković its not in the hands of the Belgrade Government; in fact Tadic and his crew have not control over this situation in Kosovo as its been taken over by a foreign power which has the interests of Serbs there at heart more than the entire Tadic government put together.
If anyone has doubted what I have said before that the Serbs in Kosovo are making fools of KFOR/NATO/EULEX and even Tadic then here it is in plain sight.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place. If this referendum means nothing the EU would never have been putting pressure on Belgrade to deal with this as a matter of urgency - it means the “splitting“ up of Kosovo.
The referendum will be held and not a single hand will be raised to stop it by the US, EU, or the goat herders in Pristina. Don’t get me wrong the Washington knuckleheads would love to try but they dare not as there other forces watching that could just cut off those greasy little fingers.
The discussions/agreements reached by Belgrade with the Albanians are not worth the paper they are written on. A new Government will come in after the March elections.
What is the point of all of this? Status Quo. NATO stopped in its tracks and let the pot boil as the EU recession deepens and watch Thaci launch his ROSU against his own people. And Thaci will do it with glee. He wants power and he will kill every Albanian in Kosovo if he has to – that’s what the US likes; a killer to their taste.
Im sitting here rubbing the palms of my hand together laughing like an evil villain when I read articles such as this one mentioning "Kosovo Serbs referendum undermines Belgrade". This is all too too funny. 60,000 Kosovar Serbs are about to undermine 7,292,574 Serbs and their EU bid with one day of voting!!! Love it love it love it!! Team work Serbs!!
Look at all the lapdogs coming out of the woodwork. Tadic is sending them out, one by one, begging them to convince Serbian patriots to cancel their democratic right to hold a referendum. And all this so he can get a cookie and a pat on the head from Merkel.
I say take your EU and stuff it, go and exploit croats and albanians all you want, but Serbs are free and independent people and we want no part of your undemocratic German run butt kissing club.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04)
They are just pretending, dear. They love the referendum but they don't say it because Serbs will always do the opposite of what Thaci says.
The reason Thaci loves it ? Simple... With the referendum Kosovo Serbs finally recognize that the "Republic of Kosovo" exists - just read the question asked in the referendum :)
USA United States of Albania, 9 January 2012 02:08)
I said …“…that does not use the same rhetoric as in the propaganda about an expanding EU and the heavenly rewards that go with it”. I suggest that you read my earlier post carefully again and most of your questions would have been answered.
This is my greatest complaint in that people talk about this EU as if it the magic pudding that is the prayer to all our ills such as makes the blind see and the cripple walk. Let me repeat NOT ONE person has been able to show the real benefits of joining the EU; NOT ONE without quoting the same stuff over and over again as if it’s a mantra to ward off evil spirits. If you don’t know then shut up and stop making comments on the subject.
Lets look at your comments closer:
“No boundaries among all EU countries, no passwords or visas necessary, easy travelling, possibility to move to any member country and find a job everywhere in a membership country (free transfer of persons).”
Yes that true but ask the Poles or Estonians or Latvians etc how they like their skilled people going to other parts of the EU to pick vegetables or fruit; or clean hotels for that matter for a couple of Euros an hour. That is the purpose of the new world order; an inexhaustible supply of cheap labour.
“This would lead also to the tightening of the cultural bonds with the rest of Europe. “
European countries have been doing the same for hundreds of years without the EU.
“There are economical benefits. Free transfer of goods, freedom to provide services, free transfer of capital; Unification of economical laws in all EU countries. In more detail: the EU economy would open the EU borders into Serbian products and the Serbian market would open to the products of other European countries. This should lead to more competitive market and lowering the prices. Change of the structure of the farms from many small farms to less bigger farms with better equipment and efficiency. Increase of the specialization in the farming. Serbian farmers would participate in a system of subvention”
Straight out of a text book. This is not an original thought, but watch how the Croats benefit out of joining. If you are a small player on the EU field you are going to get subsidised goods from places like France, the UK, Germany etc DUIMPED on your market at such low prices that the local farmers cannot compete. Ask the Hungarians how they went after they became a member; just ask them. Local farmers only a couple of kilometres outside Budapest were complaining that even with their low wages they could not sell their apples or other produce because subsided EU goods were cheaper.
“So thats the EU in a nutshell. Those are some great benefits. Since you would turn down this offer and list of benefits SJ, what other offers does Serbia have on the table? And please speak in specifics and detail. I personally believe Serbia has NO OTHER OPTION. Especially a country in Serbia's current condition NEEDS help. Mother Russia has no such alternative to offer you.”
What is a country like Serbia going to get from the EU? You are aware that there are European countries living very well outside of the EU?
The EU was designed to keep Europe from waring and with that give Germany a prominent role since its the one who keeps starting these wars and the rule of economics is the bigger you are the better off you are and the reverse goes if you are small. Serbia can only produce so much and export so much so joining is of little benefit except once in, it will have no say in its affairs as all decisions will be made in Brussels. Serbia’s economy was destroyed so that they will become reliant on the EU.
The EU is BROKE and this is no joke. It has asked the BRIC countries to invest in it Eurobonds so how is it going to help Serbia? The money well has run dry; and after the recent enlargement there are more countries with their hand out for help than the ones producing income.
The real problem with you Albanians is that you only hope is that Serbia that desperate to get into the EU that it will recognise Kosovo – sorry mate too late. Nearly 83% now do not want to join the EU and that horse has bolted a long time ago. It’s only the western paid lackeys that talk about this EU. Look how well Kosovo has gone in the last 12 years under the EU – povertyville incorporated to say the least; how many industries has the EU or US brought to your lot? NOT ONE.
If you live in some backward community look at where Europe will get 40% of its energy requirements and then come back and tell me how Russia is unimportant. Wit the Southstream pipeline Serbia will get more income and if your Albos don’t behave you will freeze in winter.
How could a referendum held in Kosovo, organized by local politicians/mayors with no connection to the Serbian state would undermine anything for Serbia?
(Analyst, 8 January 2012 12:41
Bingo, you win the prize. No connection to Serbian state, in order to salvage the EU Serbia has to draw that line-No connection with SErbian state it is an internal issue of Kosovo alone.
Don't be so tough on Rada Serbs she is having a very nasty bad hair day as you see. Can't even use her blow dryer that is more serious urgent problem to solve then a silly referendum. What are Serbs voting for any ways ,holding a referendum don't tell me to secede from Serbia. Call it the true North Serba Krankina why not ,add one more fantasy land of the Serbs one disappears next one appears. The only problem is who will the Serbs murder ,ethnic cleans ,steal from as usual for this fantasy lands since all their neighbours are ready for them now.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04)
They are just pretending, dear. They love the referendum but they don't say it because Serbs will always do the opposite of what Thaci says.
The reason Thaci loves it ? Simple... With the referendum Kosovo Serbs finally recognize that the "Republic of Kosovo" exists - just read the question asked in the referendum :)
(icj1, 8 January 2012 15:57)
Yes naturally they are pretending. What else are you going to say when neither the EU or your local thug Thaci cant do a dam thing about – lets repeat that for you again; they cant life a greasy finger against the Serbs and that is even after 80 countries have recognised the so called Kosova.
Thaci wouldn’t know the time of day as he is a clinical moron which the west highly prizes as he is very easy to control. He is similar to your idiotic politicians in the US, the republican can not find a candidate to run against Obama because they are all halfwits and buffoons.
On the issue that the referendum is “recognising the so called Kosova”, wrong again mate. It a simple question asking the locals if they accept Pristina’s administration, much like asking whether the Chicago residents have confidence in the State government so hold off on opening the bubbly.
The EU is worried because it more than complicates the situation where Belgrade cannot recognise Kosovo as an independent state which Tadic was more than happy to do. It creates a fissure in the integrity of Kosovo that will be there for all to see and will be used at every opportunity against the west which it thought has been laid to rest once and for all with this dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina.
But most importantly it keeps the pot boiling and watch Krakatoa explode next summer as the economic reality bites even further amongst the Albanians in Kosovo as the poverty increases to greater heights and Thaci use the police to keep any unrest under control.
Im sitting here rubbing the palms of my hand together laughing like an evil villain when I read articles such as this one mentioning "Kosovo Serbs referendum undermines Belgrade". This is all too too funny. 60,000 Kosovar Serbs are about to undermine 7,292,574 Serbs and their EU bid with one day of voting!!! Love it love it love it!! Team work Serbs!!
(USA United States of America, 8 January 2012 15:35)
It does not get any better than this comment. Me thinks you are rubbing something else than just your hands, but whatever turns you on.
Tell us Einstein what are the benefits of joining the EU? I’ve yet to hear one of your lot explain that does not use the same rhetoric as in the propaganda about an expanding EU and the heavenly rewards that go with it. .
I’ll start you off:
Visa free travel – Wow big deal; 10% of the populace in Eastern Europe cant travel without a visa.
Working in the EU – Wow you have qualified professionals from the east picking fruit and vegetables in France or Belgium for a couple of Euros per hour.
Trade – what this means, and Croatia will very soon find this out, is the big EU countries are going to use it to dump their subsided goods such as milk and dairy products, agricultural produce at minimum prices where the local farmers will not be able to compete.
Oh I nearly forgot the pots and pots of money on entering the EU!!!! Wrong again as the EU is literally struggling survive, so that has also gone.
Well I’m waiting for your response. This should good for a laugh or two at least.
There are many benefits to joining the EU. There are political benefits. Participation in creating of United Europe; Serbian representation in EU Institutions; Increase of the stability of democratic system and safety of the state. No boundaries among all EU countries, no passwords or visas necessary, easy travelling, possibility to move to any member country and find a job everywhere in a membership country (free transfer of persons). This would lead also to the tightening of the cultural bonds with the rest of Europe. There are economical benefits. Free transfer of goods, freedom to provide services, free transfer of capital; Unification of economical laws in all EU countries. In more detail: the EU economy would open the EU borders into Serbian products and the Serbian market would open to the products of other European countries. This should lead to more competitive market and lowering the prices. Change of the structure of the farms from many small farms to less bigger farms with better equipment and efficiency. Increase of the specialization in the farming. Serbian farmers would participate in a system of subvention, the same that benefits the Western European farmers.
There are social benefits. Serbia would approach European standards in the aspect of the safety of its citizens, job safety, health, education, information and the higher quality of life in the general aspect. Serbian students could participate in the educational programs which give stipends for studying abroad. Children of people who would be working abroad would be able to attend local schools. But they would also be encouraged to develop their knowledge about their country of origin. There are environmental benefits. Serbia would implement European ecological norms that will improve the environment and the quality of the life of all of Serbian society. The ecology-friendly technologies will be implemented as well as the most rational and effective use of rough materials and the energy.
So thats the EU in a nutshell. Those are some great benefits. Since you would turn down this offer and list of benefits SJ, what other offers does Serbia have on the table? And please speak in specifics and detail. I personally believe Serbia has NO OTHER OPTION. Especially a country in Serbia's current condition NEEDS help. Mother Russia has no such alternative to offer you.
The Serbs will hold the referendum and it will be a resounding “get stuffed Pristina and Thaci” and the EU are going to be in between a rock and a hard place.
(sj, 8 January 2012 12:04
UH why???
For 365 days last year it was said the north does not accept the authority of Pristina, it has consumed the news, no one is guessing what will be the outcome, the only surprise would be if they were to say yes we accept Kosovo as independent. That would blow people away.
It is not going to affect Pristina or the EU at all. They know the outcome of the referendum, it has no significance.
The only people it affects is Serbia itself. Because they have wanted to portray to the world that THEY still had control of the north, but the north is showing the world that Belgrade is no more in charge than Pristina.
It will have the same impact as the petition requesting Russian citizenship, that really knocked the international world---not.
It will drive more of a wedge between Serbia and the north, Serbia and the EU and probably Serbia and Russia, should Russia come out with an endorsement after Serbia says they should not hold the referendums.
As far a Kosovo and Thaci goes same story different day.
Let’s get one thing straight, Thaci is not bright and that is what the US wants in its democratically elected leadership in Kosovo. He cannot wipe his bum without US permission so this game does not involve him at all otherwise the knucklehead would have taken action a long time ago and screwed it up completely then went running to mummy in Washington for help.
To say a yes vote means “we accept Kosovo as independent” is wrong as the referendum only talks about Pristina as a regional centre mate. Let me explain for you Americans that seem to be less worldly than the rest. If the people of Dayton in Ohio finds the administration in Columbus unreasonable they can hold a referendum to reject the administration in the capital; it does not mean they are acknowledging Ohio to break away or form a new country, and as Serbia sees Kosovo as an integral part then there is no problem.
For your information Belgrade lost control over the Serbs a long time ago and its the Russians at the helm. Well why do you think that 60000 people are pulling all the strings and NATO/EULEX/KFOR cannot do a thing? At the start Tadic agreed to NATO taking action, but that soon fell apart and now we have stagnation back on course.
My dear fellow Russian citizenship was mentioned by one of Putin’s ministers and it was a stunt to remind the west if they try and take action they would grant it; it’s a game, that’s all.
The only people this affects is the western quisling politicians in Belgrade like Trajkovic no one else – no bonus from the EU.
“..drive more of a wedge between Serbia and the north, Serbia and the EU and probably Serbia and Russia, should Russia come out with an endorsement after Serbia says they should not hold the referendums. “
Regardless of how western leaning Tadic and crew are, they are more than well aware that it’s now Russia in the drivers seat so Moscow does not have to announce a thing – who do you think has suggested this referendum? Abraham Lincoln? Who do you think protects the Serbs in Kosovo? America?
Look at the humanitarian aid that the west thought would be a good idea to stop. They NEVER OPENED UP ONE TRUCK; NOT ONE as they feared it would cause a real incident. In fact the people at the administrative border were told within 15 minutes to let them pass but the Russians thought it was a good idea to start something and that’s why they were there for 3 days not because EULEX stopped them.
The Russians are starting to spread their wings just look at the recent arrival of a Russian fleet in Syria. Your US is abandoning Europe and the Middle East to concentrate on China – you people are in real trouble if you believe this; try the money well is running dry; even CNN has stated that 50% of Americans have lost all of their wealth and you think the US has a 14 trillion dollar economy; keep on dreaming because that is all that is left.
sj,
I do need to respond, again this is coming from a less worldly American vs a bank teller in Malaysia but anyway. Your OHIO synopsis would only make sense if Ohio had declared independence. But again it has no bearing on Pristina, or the EU as they know the perceived outcome, and do not recognize the referendum as valid. For Pristina it will mean nothing, for the EU it will mean more pressure to have Serbia distance itself from the enclaves.
Another thing you keep mentioning in every single post hoping someone will bite is that none of the trucks were inspected. Who really cares.
There is one thing that the international community and Serbia and Kosovo are going to remember about the incident and that is Russian trucks were held up 3 days at the administrative crossing until they agreed to a EULEX escort. No one is going to really care if there was 1 car or 100 or if the trucks were inspected, or anything else. So keep reminding people as it goes in one ear and out the other.
But I do agree the vast majority of Americans are very unworldly, if they were to actually see how people in Kosovo, and Serbia and the general population in Malaysia and China actually live they would get down and kiss the soil of America every day.
They have a good life and do not pin their daily hopes on one day someone will collapse, It takes a different person to live day in and day out hoping today will bring misery to so many people.
Yes naturally they are pretending. What else are you going to say when neither the EU or your local thug Thaci cant do a dam thing about – lets repeat that for you again; they cant life a greasy finger against the Serbs and that is even after 80 countries have recognised the so called Kosova.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
Of course, even my Malaysian friend confirmed it. But, you are absolutely correct, dear. Thaci is not going to lift even half a greasy finger against those who recognize that the “Republic of Kosovo” exists in reality – why should he ?!
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Thaci wouldn’t know the time of day as he is a clinical moron which the west highly prizes as he is very easy to control. He is similar to your idiotic politicians in the US, the republican can not find a candidate to run against Obama because they are all halfwits and buffoons.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
I’m leaving the idiotic US politicians to you, dear. You appear to be much more concerned about their level of education or lack thereof. What they do or don’t do, doesn’t affect me.
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On the issue that the referendum is “recognising the so called Kosova”, wrong again mate. It a simple question asking the locals if they accept Pristina’s administration, much like asking whether the Chicago residents have confidence in the State government so hold off on opening the bubbly.
(sj, 8 January 2012 23:04)
No dear, it’s you who is wrong because it appears you haven’t read the referendum question, yet. It asks whether the voters accept the institutions of the “Republic of Kosovo”. So, unless N. Kosovo Serbs are hallucinating, it means that the “Republic of Kosovo” exists.
To (USA United States of Albania, 9 January 2012 02:08):
See, how many benefits the EU will bring. And the fastest way for Kosovo to become a part of EU is to join it as a part of Serbia.
(aaayyy, 9 January 2012 12:14)
One thing you are forgetting. Nothing Serbia has done so far has included Kosovo so it would be back to the drawing board for Serbia and probably another 5-6 years for it to be at this point again. Because Serbia would have to fix its then internal issues (concerning Kosovo) first.
Let’s get one thing straight
sj,
I am so glad you are here to keep me "straight" However can you please shorten your responses, they are very tedious to read. I think to respond I will refer back to my original post as I don't think you countered anything factually fro what I said.
Have a good day mate.
Wow I must have really stirred you up. As you seem to be less worldly than this bank teller from Malaysia (I doubt you even know where Malaysia is on a map) let me tell you why the truck incident is most important. It shows that the Russians forced the EU to back down. The Russians picked the fight not the other way around. Have you noticed that Putin sent an award to Milorad Dodik for the 20 aniversary of RS – these are diplomatic messages saying “this is ours and do not touch”.
You can have Malaysia as they are even worse than your Albanians and that is saying something. They are a bigoted, racist and lazy people; why even their constitution treats their fellow countrymen as second class citizens (ethnic Chinese).
Leave the US and go to China fro a holiday and then comment.
Like all people who have a problem in accepting reality you have to repeat over and over again before the message sinks in. The US makes great fanfare when it run over or ruins a small country and walks around beating its chest about its greatness – much like the school yard bully picking on weak kids for their lunch money.
Now it the turn of their victims to get joy out of the US misery being experienced now and yet to come.
let me tell you why the truck incident is most important. It shows that the Russians forced the EU to back down. The Russians picked the fight not the other way around.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure, they are welcome to “pick fights” in the future by staying for days out in the winter at the border crossing for however long Eulex wants them to stay there for any reason or no reason at all.
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Have you noticed that Putin sent an award to Milorad Dodik for the 20 aniversary of RS – these are diplomatic messages saying “this is ours and do not touch”.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure, it’s good for Milorad to read that message as well as the other similar messages he received from other countries.
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Leave the US and go to China fro a holiday and then comment.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
Sure dear, I’ve been there and have seen the average Chinese earn a fraction of the average American.
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Like all people who have a problem in accepting reality you have to repeat over and over again before the message sinks in.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
You have not said yet your message, dear :)
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The US makes great fanfare when it run over or ruins a small country and walks around beating its chest about its greatness – much like the school yard bully picking on weak kids for their lunch money.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
I’ve not seen any fanfare from the US, but probably you guys in Malaysia have seen it. Are fanfares a popular musical instrument there ?
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Now it the turn of their victims to get joy out of the US misery being experienced now and yet to come.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31)
If I were the victim, I’m not sure that will send anything in my pockets. I’d go and work to earn some money; that will be the real joy. But by all means you are free to get joy from the average American living a much better life than the average, say, Chinese. Not sure though how that helps the average Chinese.
(sj, 10 January 2012 23:31
You can say it over, and over and over again but in the end other than Serb ultrantionalists and Russians NO ONE is going to see the truck incident as a win for Russia. And I have my doubts that any of you do, you only want to make the appearance.
And I do believe it was intentionally provoked by Russia thinking there would be a huge international uproar about the EU preventing humanitarian aid to north Kosovo. but it backfired, you had the UN itself denying there was a humanitarian crisis in northern Kosovo.
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