Referendum will cause new rifts – minister

Bogdanovic, shut up you pathetic quisling. This is a democratic referendum, and it will take place no matter what you or your Vichy Serb colleagues say. Tell your masters in Berlin to go fly a kite, we have Russia firmly behind us, as well as the Serbian public - which you and your traitors don't.
Cheers!!

Whether or not the referendum occurs, the threat has already served a purpose. It continues the pressure. It causes reactions to be exploited. The patriots behind this are quite a bit more clever and connected than some of their opponents want to acknowledge. Very few things in this world just "happen". As Dragan says, Cheers. I recall all the hoopla over Dodik's threatened referendum last year and he clearly emerged in a stronger place even after he postponed it. That was not an accident, my friends.

I was going to leave a comment saying that the northern KiM Serbs have recently mentioned that a referundum would probably strengthen the Serbian government's negotiating position, but that of course the current Serbian government is not trying to negotiate, but instead it's trying to sell the KiM Serbs down the river.
But then I saw that Dragan had already put this very succinctly and directly, so I'll just restrict myself to agreeing with what he said ( ;) ).

duhh that's what referendums do..why did you want to force all the serbs to think the same...your fired little Bogdan, I don't know if translation is screwing you up or your just an immature politician. What have you done lately for the Serbian nation, nothing but barks.

Referendum is not needed at all!!! Stick to what you believe in! Referendums are waste of time. What the region needs is reconciliation and Peace. The Balkans is one, all the people there including the Albanians and Serbs need to quit with stupid rhetoric. Balkan Unity is what will drive every ethnic group into Prosperity!!!

Tell your masters in Berlin to go fly a kite, we have Russia firmly behind us, as well as the Serbian public - which you and your traitors don't.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 6 January 2012 16:22)

Yes, provided Russia comes to you by transiting through Moon or Mars. These are only two routs left for your beloved Russia to come and help you. The land and sea around Serbia belong to NATO members.

(Dragan, 6 January 2012 16:22) ??
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Yes, provided Russia comes to you by transiting through Moon or Mars. These are only two routs left for your beloved Russia to come and help you. The land and sea around Serbia belong to NATO members.
(Simpatiku, 6 January 2012 20:44)

Oh no not NATO again, please. Hey genius nearly ½ of NATO supplies to troops in Afghanistan goes through Russian territory, bur leave that aside as a regional power it would be a very brave little country to try and stop them from traversing those lands. However, even if they could stop the Russians there is always the Danube – the middle is international waters – get the picture now.
That little business with Russian aid supplies recently on the administrative crossing was not the west trying to stop the Russians, it was the Russians starting an argument with the west – they did not ever search one vehicle; not one.

You got to hand it to Thaci or someone in Pristina, everyone thinks he is not very smart. By sending a car load of Albanian customs agents to the checkpoints one day look at the chain of reactions.
The north, Serbia, the UNSC, Kfor, Eulex, and the whole international community has suddenly come alive. The north set up roadblocks which made the internationals realize once and for all that something had to be done about the north.
Serbs have split on their directions, fighting amongst themselves. Serbia is realizing that they can no longer feed the criminal adventures of the north to cause headaches for the Albanian govt in Pristina, it has become their own worse nightmare. You have caused the govts of SErbia and Russia to be at odds. Russia does not want to look bad but by supporting the north they are stabbing Serbia in the back. Serbia is realizing that their ties to the north are going to cost them or at least delay their movement toward the EU.
The focus of discussion is on what to do with the north, it is we have lost Kosovo do we want to try and hold onto the north or work out the best deal we can for the Serbs in the north. No one of importance(mainly blog posters with no power) is talking about salvaging control of Kosovo. The realization that Serbia is not holding all the cards has hit.
Everyone thought they could just keep Kosovo in limbo for years and Serbia will move on, now the future of Serbia is tied to ending this limbo.
And all Thaci has had to do since July is sit in his office smile and let the dominoes fall.
where is that guy with the saying "Oh what a tangled web we weave" the Serbs have gotten trapped in it and the big ole spider is creeping in.

Oh no not NATO again, please. Hey genius nearly ½ of NATO supplies to troops in Afghanistan goes through Russian territory
(sj, 7 January 2012 00:55)

That will be irrelevant soon. However, with your example above you get the idea about how much Kosovo or Serbia matter in the bigger picture of relations between Russia and US.
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However, even if they could stop the Russians there is always the Danube – the middle is international waters – get the picture now.
(sj, 7 January 2012 00:55)

Where do you see those pictures, dear ?! In your dreams! The Danube Commission (where the NATO countries have a 64% majority) controls the navigation in the Danube. It can easily decide, for example, that due to "health reasons" all cargo traffic in the Danube has to be inspected :)
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That little business with Russian aid supplies recently on the administrative crossing was not the west trying to stop the Russians, it was the Russians starting an argument with the west – they did not ever search one vehicle; not one.
(sj, 7 January 2012 00:55)

Exactly, because the West just wanted to make the point (thanks to the Russians that gave it the opportunity) that it can stop the Russians whenever it wants and the Russians could do nothing about it other than sucking it up.

icj1, 7 January 2012 18:24)

“That will be irrelevant soon. However, with your example above you get the idea about how much Kosovo or Serbia matter in the bigger picture of relations between Russia and US. “

The US or NATO will not leave until 2015 so you think about it again.
Now explain to me how Kosovo is soooooo important to the US but not important to Russia who wants to stop NATO expansion???????? What the Russian Ambassador visits it regularly because there are health spas there?????
What does the US have to offer Russia for this good relations??????? I read this many times but no one can explain; the Russians have to have good relations with the US but not the other way around??????

“Where do you see those pictures, dear ?! In your dreams! The Danube Commission (where the NATO countries have a 64% majority) controls the navigation in the Danube. It can easily decide, for example, that due to "health reasons" all cargo traffic in the Danube has to be inspected “

Read the treaty very closely and stop making things up. You must be having a Rambo type dream.
The middle of the Danube is international waters and you just don’t declare “health reasons” and start inspecting mate. The Turks tried that stunt awhile back involving the Bosphorus (international waters) where they got a tad too important for themselves over Georgia and made some threats about not allowing Russian ships from using it. The Russians had a quiet talk and low and behold no more issues.
You can pull that stunt on small countries but not on major powers and as the part of the Danube is international waters you need UNSC approval. Then are commercial flights that go to Belgrade from Moscow. Then there are regular flights that go to the firefighting base in Nis.
NATO all you like but arms and equipment can be delivered by the ton with ease.

“Exactly, because the West just wanted to make the point (thanks to the Russians that gave it the opportunity) that it can stop the Russians whenever it wants and the Russians could do nothing about it other than sucking it up”
Funny it stopped the Russians to make a point but NOT ONE TRUCK WAS SEARCHED – funny sort of point if you ask me.

He has made a good point. If serbs in the north of Mitrovica will continue like this by blocking roads and running paralel institutions, this will isolate the serbs in other parts of Kosovo. Simply because albanians will do the same to the serbs and their leaders. No free access in Kosovo.

For a member of a party that call itself democratic Bogdanović shows very little trust in democracy. Is he afraid of hearing what the people in Northern Kosovo really think? How can you have negotiations when you don't know how they think?

Smarter is not being very smart as they are totally ignoring the wishes of the Kosovo Serbs and is viewing the situation as just between Belgrade and the Albanians. Kosovo Serbs in the north want to be part of Serbia and no one is doing anything to make Kosovo serbs in the north want to be a part of an independent Kosovo because it is impossible. Serbs south of the ibar are all surrounded by albanians and it is either leave or do whatever the albanians say or be killed. So Serbs no surrounded by Albanians right next to Serbia continue to be Serbs and live as if they were in Serbia and no one is doing anything to change that.

The US or NATO will not leave until 2015 so you think about it again.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

That’s what I meant… that’s very soon - just 3 years. They've been there for 10.
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Now explain to me how Kosovo is soooooo important to the US but not important to Russia who wants to stop NATO expansion???????? What the Russian Ambassador visits it regularly because there are health spas there?????
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Did I say it is important for US ?! I said it is not important for both. That’s why US has also reduced the troops in Kosovo to just 1k+ and supported Kosovo’s independence it order to allow US to reduce the troops.
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What does the US have to offer Russia for this good relations??????? I read this many times but no one can explain; the Russians have to have good relations with the US but not the other way around??????
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Well, the Russians have some issues with terrorism and drugs from Afghanistan, in case you’ve not heard about it from your Malaysian friend. And those are more important for Russia than insignificant things like Kosovo or Serbia.
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Read the treaty very closely and stop making things up. You must be having a Rambo type dream.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Yeah, read it and you will find that out of 11 members of the Danube Commission, 7 are NATO countries. So continue with your dream pictures of reality :)
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The middle of the Danube is international waters and you just don’t declare “health reasons” and start inspecting mate.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Sure, go and try and you’ll see it :). And when the Danube Commission declares it, there is nothing you could do dear other than sucking it up – you have to go through Romania which is a NATO country and will say that it is forced to do inspections by the Danube Commission :)
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You can pull that stunt on small countries but not on major powers and as the part of the Danube is international waters you need UNSC approval.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Sure, if the UNSC decides that imposing health inspections due to “health reasons” is a threat to peace and security, in that case the Danube Commission cannot impose those inspections.
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Then are commercial flights that go to Belgrade from Moscow. Then there are regular flights that go to the firefighting base in Nis. NATO all you like but arms and equipment can be delivered by the ton with ease.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Of course, as long as the NATO countries allow them in their airspace. But it’s good that you are looking at alternatives to Danube, as that was not feasible.
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Funny it stopped the Russians to make a point but NOT ONE TRUCK WAS SEARCHED – funny sort of point if you ask me.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

But that was the point dear to tell the Russian ambassador that they could stop him as much as they liked at the border and he could do nothing other than sucking it up. If Eulex had actually inspected the trucks it would have looked like a normal customs operation that happens every day. But no, Eulex wanted to show Russia that they can stop its ambassador just because Eulex so wished and for any reason or no reason at all, and Russia could do nothing about it.

Bogdanovic, shut up you pathetic quisling. This is a democratic referendum, and it will take place no matter what you or your Vichy Serb colleagues say. Tell your masters in Berlin to go fly a kite, we have Russia firmly behind us, as well as the Serbian public - which you and your traitors don't.
Cheers!!

Referendum is not needed at all!!! Stick to what you believe in! Referendums are waste of time. What the region needs is reconciliation and Peace. The Balkans is one, all the people there including the Albanians and Serbs need to quit with stupid rhetoric. Balkan Unity is what will drive every ethnic group into Prosperity!!!

Tell your masters in Berlin to go fly a kite, we have Russia firmly behind us, as well as the Serbian public - which you and your traitors don't.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 6 January 2012 16:22)

Yes, provided Russia comes to you by transiting through Moon or Mars. These are only two routs left for your beloved Russia to come and help you. The land and sea around Serbia belong to NATO members.

I was going to leave a comment saying that the northern KiM Serbs have recently mentioned that a referundum would probably strengthen the Serbian government's negotiating position, but that of course the current Serbian government is not trying to negotiate, but instead it's trying to sell the KiM Serbs down the river.
But then I saw that Dragan had already put this very succinctly and directly, so I'll just restrict myself to agreeing with what he said ( ;) ).

Whether or not the referendum occurs, the threat has already served a purpose. It continues the pressure. It causes reactions to be exploited. The patriots behind this are quite a bit more clever and connected than some of their opponents want to acknowledge. Very few things in this world just "happen". As Dragan says, Cheers. I recall all the hoopla over Dodik's threatened referendum last year and he clearly emerged in a stronger place even after he postponed it. That was not an accident, my friends.

You got to hand it to Thaci or someone in Pristina, everyone thinks he is not very smart. By sending a car load of Albanian customs agents to the checkpoints one day look at the chain of reactions.
The north, Serbia, the UNSC, Kfor, Eulex, and the whole international community has suddenly come alive. The north set up roadblocks which made the internationals realize once and for all that something had to be done about the north.
Serbs have split on their directions, fighting amongst themselves. Serbia is realizing that they can no longer feed the criminal adventures of the north to cause headaches for the Albanian govt in Pristina, it has become their own worse nightmare. You have caused the govts of SErbia and Russia to be at odds. Russia does not want to look bad but by supporting the north they are stabbing Serbia in the back. Serbia is realizing that their ties to the north are going to cost them or at least delay their movement toward the EU.
The focus of discussion is on what to do with the north, it is we have lost Kosovo do we want to try and hold onto the north or work out the best deal we can for the Serbs in the north. No one of importance(mainly blog posters with no power) is talking about salvaging control of Kosovo. The realization that Serbia is not holding all the cards has hit.
Everyone thought they could just keep Kosovo in limbo for years and Serbia will move on, now the future of Serbia is tied to ending this limbo.
And all Thaci has had to do since July is sit in his office smile and let the dominoes fall.
where is that guy with the saying "Oh what a tangled web we weave" the Serbs have gotten trapped in it and the big ole spider is creeping in.

(Dragan, 6 January 2012 16:22) ??
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The Secret diary of Captain Dragan-the funniest tv sitcom ever made, DAD'S ARMY.

Yes, provided Russia comes to you by transiting through Moon or Mars. These are only two routs left for your beloved Russia to come and help you. The land and sea around Serbia belong to NATO members.
(Simpatiku, 6 January 2012 20:44)

Oh no not NATO again, please. Hey genius nearly ½ of NATO supplies to troops in Afghanistan goes through Russian territory, bur leave that aside as a regional power it would be a very brave little country to try and stop them from traversing those lands. However, even if they could stop the Russians there is always the Danube – the middle is international waters – get the picture now.
That little business with Russian aid supplies recently on the administrative crossing was not the west trying to stop the Russians, it was the Russians starting an argument with the west – they did not ever search one vehicle; not one.

The US or NATO will not leave until 2015 so you think about it again.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

That’s what I meant… that’s very soon - just 3 years. They've been there for 10.
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Now explain to me how Kosovo is soooooo important to the US but not important to Russia who wants to stop NATO expansion???????? What the Russian Ambassador visits it regularly because there are health spas there?????
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Did I say it is important for US ?! I said it is not important for both. That’s why US has also reduced the troops in Kosovo to just 1k+ and supported Kosovo’s independence it order to allow US to reduce the troops.
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What does the US have to offer Russia for this good relations??????? I read this many times but no one can explain; the Russians have to have good relations with the US but not the other way around??????
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Well, the Russians have some issues with terrorism and drugs from Afghanistan, in case you’ve not heard about it from your Malaysian friend. And those are more important for Russia than insignificant things like Kosovo or Serbia.
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Read the treaty very closely and stop making things up. You must be having a Rambo type dream.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Yeah, read it and you will find that out of 11 members of the Danube Commission, 7 are NATO countries. So continue with your dream pictures of reality :)
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The middle of the Danube is international waters and you just don’t declare “health reasons” and start inspecting mate.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Sure, go and try and you’ll see it :). And when the Danube Commission declares it, there is nothing you could do dear other than sucking it up – you have to go through Romania which is a NATO country and will say that it is forced to do inspections by the Danube Commission :)
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You can pull that stunt on small countries but not on major powers and as the part of the Danube is international waters you need UNSC approval.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Sure, if the UNSC decides that imposing health inspections due to “health reasons” is a threat to peace and security, in that case the Danube Commission cannot impose those inspections.
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Then are commercial flights that go to Belgrade from Moscow. Then there are regular flights that go to the firefighting base in Nis. NATO all you like but arms and equipment can be delivered by the ton with ease.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

Of course, as long as the NATO countries allow them in their airspace. But it’s good that you are looking at alternatives to Danube, as that was not feasible.
----------

Funny it stopped the Russians to make a point but NOT ONE TRUCK WAS SEARCHED – funny sort of point if you ask me.
(sj, 8 January 2012 00:07)

But that was the point dear to tell the Russian ambassador that they could stop him as much as they liked at the border and he could do nothing other than sucking it up. If Eulex had actually inspected the trucks it would have looked like a normal customs operation that happens every day. But no, Eulex wanted to show Russia that they can stop its ambassador just because Eulex so wished and for any reason or no reason at all, and Russia could do nothing about it.

He has made a good point. If serbs in the north of Mitrovica will continue like this by blocking roads and running paralel institutions, this will isolate the serbs in other parts of Kosovo. Simply because albanians will do the same to the serbs and their leaders. No free access in Kosovo.

Oh no not NATO again, please. Hey genius nearly ½ of NATO supplies to troops in Afghanistan goes through Russian territory
(sj, 7 January 2012 00:55)

That will be irrelevant soon. However, with your example above you get the idea about how much Kosovo or Serbia matter in the bigger picture of relations between Russia and US.
----------

However, even if they could stop the Russians there is always the Danube – the middle is international waters – get the picture now.
(sj, 7 January 2012 00:55)

Where do you see those pictures, dear ?! In your dreams! The Danube Commission (where the NATO countries have a 64% majority) controls the navigation in the Danube. It can easily decide, for example, that due to "health reasons" all cargo traffic in the Danube has to be inspected :)
----------

That little business with Russian aid supplies recently on the administrative crossing was not the west trying to stop the Russians, it was the Russians starting an argument with the west – they did not ever search one vehicle; not one.
(sj, 7 January 2012 00:55)

Exactly, because the West just wanted to make the point (thanks to the Russians that gave it the opportunity) that it can stop the Russians whenever it wants and the Russians could do nothing about it other than sucking it up.

duhh that's what referendums do..why did you want to force all the serbs to think the same...your fired little Bogdan, I don't know if translation is screwing you up or your just an immature politician. What have you done lately for the Serbian nation, nothing but barks.

For a member of a party that call itself democratic Bogdanović shows very little trust in democracy. Is he afraid of hearing what the people in Northern Kosovo really think? How can you have negotiations when you don't know how they think?

Smarter is not being very smart as they are totally ignoring the wishes of the Kosovo Serbs and is viewing the situation as just between Belgrade and the Albanians. Kosovo Serbs in the north want to be part of Serbia and no one is doing anything to make Kosovo serbs in the north want to be a part of an independent Kosovo because it is impossible. Serbs south of the ibar are all surrounded by albanians and it is either leave or do whatever the albanians say or be killed. So Serbs no surrounded by Albanians right next to Serbia continue to be Serbs and live as if they were in Serbia and no one is doing anything to change that.

icj1, 7 January 2012 18:24)

“That will be irrelevant soon. However, with your example above you get the idea about how much Kosovo or Serbia matter in the bigger picture of relations between Russia and US. “

The US or NATO will not leave until 2015 so you think about it again.
Now explain to me how Kosovo is soooooo important to the US but not important to Russia who wants to stop NATO expansion???????? What the Russian Ambassador visits it regularly because there are health spas there?????
What does the US have to offer Russia for this good relations??????? I read this many times but no one can explain; the Russians have to have good relations with the US but not the other way around??????

“Where do you see those pictures, dear ?! In your dreams! The Danube Commission (where the NATO countries have a 64% majority) controls the navigation in the Danube. It can easily decide, for example, that due to "health reasons" all cargo traffic in the Danube has to be inspected “

Read the treaty very closely and stop making things up. You must be having a Rambo type dream.
The middle of the Danube is international waters and you just don’t declare “health reasons” and start inspecting mate. The Turks tried that stunt awhile back involving the Bosphorus (international waters) where they got a tad too important for themselves over Georgia and made some threats about not allowing Russian ships from using it. The Russians had a quiet talk and low and behold no more issues.
You can pull that stunt on small countries but not on major powers and as the part of the Danube is international waters you need UNSC approval. Then are commercial flights that go to Belgrade from Moscow. Then there are regular flights that go to the firefighting base in Nis.
NATO all you like but arms and equipment can be delivered by the ton with ease.

“Exactly, because the West just wanted to make the point (thanks to the Russians that gave it the opportunity) that it can stop the Russians whenever it wants and the Russians could do nothing about it other than sucking it up”
Funny it stopped the Russians to make a point but NOT ONE TRUCK WAS SEARCHED – funny sort of point if you ask me.