K. Albanian group protest against Tadić's visit

Albanian extremists are making a nuisance of themselves.

what happened to clams that serbs and others have freedom of movment. Some albanians say serbs are causing problems but there is a group among yourselves that is going against the grain. You claim independence but dont know how to act with it.

this is albanian way of multiethnic society. Now they showed what they want and what they will do with rest of the Serbs in Kosovo.

In Serbia, nationalist extremist at least call themselves 'radicals' and don't hide behind a misleading and positive-sounding name like 'self-determination movement' in Kosovo

I wonder how Serbs would react if Hashim Thaci would visit Mosk in Belgrade with Turkish Prime Minister and declare that this is holy land of Ottoman Empire.

Self-Determination did good.

Good that not only KFOR, but KPS, too, cares for the freedom of movement.

Since when is a peaceful protest something which is not democratic? - And if the police does not act accordingly to the law and mistreat the protesters, they're in their right to protect themselves.

Long live Albin Kurti and Vetëvendosja.

Commets by Navi and Dennis are laughable, a protest against a president that fight Kosovas independence is extremist now we need Desnnis to tell us how we should cultivate our movement of freedom.

"Since when is a peaceful protest something which is not democratic? "
(Søren, 6 January 2012 18:10)

You consider vandalizing other peoples property (like Serbian buses or EULEX vehicles) is peaceful protesting? Interesting opinion, but it says a lot and shows the true face what this 'self determination movement' is like.

What a pathetic degeneration of a movement that I once believed held great promise for Kosovo/a. Who was it that remarked that cheap "patriotism" is the last resort of the scoundrel? Unfortunately also of the super-confused idealist.

On the other hand, top points to the KPS.

THis is still legally the president of the people protesting his visit. IF anybody cannot see the ridiculous hypocracy from NATO and albanians they need to take a closer look. By the USA logic, they should have never fought the m,exicans for land south of the rio grande river. Thedre will be big problems in Kosovo again. just look at what is going on everywhere nato has occupied and then left.

Some of these people here are just so one-sides, close minded and ignorant, it makes one want to screem. Don't u see that by the Kosovo authorities allowing Tadic's visit they try to extend a hand and say 'LETS MAKE PEACE'. They also could have said, no way, stay home, we won't let you in our country. Protests are a democratic way to express peoples feelings. And it needs to be stressed, that the Kosovo police and RUSO protected the serbian president!!! What a difference when u compare these protests to the protests going on in Northern Kosov, where people were killed and injured, and the serbian Government for the longest time poured even more oil into fire. Now we even know these so called 'protests' there were organized and paid for by some Mafia guys from serbia, which were also protected by Belgrade just until recently, until the pressure and the evidence against them could no longer be denied. Looks to me, and to any objectively thinking person that the Kosvovo government displayed good will, and it's willingness to live peacefully with it's neighbors. I hope Tadic realizes that as well.

This is so stupid of the self determination Albanian group, obstructing freedom of Movement!! Kosovo is just one regional Balkan Problem that needs lot's of time to get the hardcore Pride of All People in the Balkans to Loosen up and stop with Nonsense like this. All Western non Balkan Nations need to go Home and Leave the Balkans Alone!!!!

You consider vandalizing other peoples property (like Serbian buses or EULEX vehicles) is peaceful protesting?
(Analyst, 6 January 2012 20:54)

Absolutely not! Peaceful protest can only be carried out with peaceful means like Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs, etc...

THis is still legally the president of the people protesting his visit. IF anybody cannot see the ridiculous hypocracy from NATO and albanians they need to take a closer look. By the USA logic, they should have never fought the m,exicans for land south of the rio grande river. Thedre will be big problems in Kosovo again. just look at what is going on everywhere nato has occupied and then left.
(Ivan, 6 January 2012 21:42)
Not sure what you mean about land south of the Rio Grande, the only war between Mexico and the US was for Texas which is north of the Rio Grande. But not sure what any of that has to do with Kosovo.
As far as when NATO leaves??? Kosovo and Serbia are smack dab in the middle of NATO territory. Whether Kosovo becomes a full member, special status member or a protectorate, NATO is there to stay. Serbia may or may not join NATO who knows but Kosovo will at least until the conclusion of World War III be NATO protected territory.

To the so called Self-Determination Movement. Kosovo is Serbian Land whether you agree or not. Soon Serbia will liberate this land.
(PRO-SERBIA, 7 January 2012 07:41)

Out of touch with reality

I wonder how Serbs would react if Hashim Thaci would visit Mosk in Belgrade with Turkish Prime Minister and declare that this is holy land of Ottoman Empire.
(Tony, 6 January 2012 22:56)

They'd laugh hysterically at the sight of two atheists laying claim to a religious site they never had historically :)

I wonder how Serbs would react if Hashim Thaci would visit Mosk in Belgrade with Turkish Prime Minister and declare that this is holy land of Ottoman Empire.
(Tony, 6 January 2012 22:56)

They are welcome to do it - but only after the minarets around Hagia Sophia are history. Turks have nothing to do with Tsargrad / Constaninople, they are welcome to move back to outher Mongolia, provided the Mongols who were culturally, ethically and industrially more developped during most of their history accept the returnees. If the Turks take a good number of Albanians with them I won't protest.

Some of these people here are just so one-sides, close minded and ignorant, it makes one want to screem. Don't u see that by the Kosovo authorities allowing Tadic's visit they try to extend a hand and say 'LETS MAKE PEACE'. They also could have said, no way, stay home, we won't let you in our country. Protests are a democratic way to express peoples feelings. And it needs to be stressed, that the Kosovo police and RUSO protected the serbian president!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 7 January 2012 12:04)

LOL do you honestly believe the crap you write? You really think this decision was up to the Kosovo authorities out of some sort of good will? They probably did say "no way, stay home, we won't bla bla bla" but EULEX and KFOR told them that would have made them look bad, so they agreed to let Tadic in for Christmas as well as the Russian Ambassador. If Albanians really cared about peace, they would have made efforts at finding peace with the Serbs instead of threatening war and takeover, and these nationalistic idiots that threw stones would have been told to stay home.

LOL you're really a naive person Willi having the gall to even mention ROSU :) You think the Serb protester in the north are any less "democratic"?

To the so called Self-Determination Movement. Kosovo is Serbian Land whether you agree or not. Soon Serbia will liberate this land.

Stay? In case you don't know: There are some troops from NATO countries in Kosovo, but NATO is 'slightly' different from KFOR. But you are right, Kosovo is a protectorate (UN)
(Comm. Parrisson, 7 January 2012 12:04)

Exactly, which means that it is independent from Serbia and Serbia is not in charge - that's all Albanians in Kosovo care about.

"Whether Kosovo becomes a full member, special status member or a protectorate, NATO is there to stay. "
(pss, 7 January 2012 09:30)

Stay? In case you don't know: There are some troops from NATO countries in Kosovo, but NATO is 'slightly' different from KFOR. But you are right, Kosovo is a protectorate (UN), and for becoming a NATO member state, Kosovo has to become a state first.

THis is still legally the president of the people protesting his visit. (Ivan, 6 January 2012 21:42)

Really ?! Then why those people were not allowed to vote in 2006 for the constitution which legitimizes the president ?

"I wonder how Serbs would react if Hashim Thaci would visit Mosk in Belgrade"

As far as I know Thaci is in Serbia's warrant list, so he will most probably be arrested and questioned on organ trafficking issue.

WHERE are you going Tadicu ?
Gently, softly, quietly,carefully.

Protests are a democratic way to express peoples feelings.
(Willi Pfaff, 7 January 2012 12:04)

Throwing stones at president car isn't a democratic way to express peoples feelings. This is a criminal case.

And again: do you like it when Merkel shakes hands with Thaci?

aayyy, nothing would happen to Thaci in Belgrade. If he still has some governmental position in 5 years, you will see him shake hands with Nikolic and Kostunica in Belgrade smiling for your media. He's already met your leaders several times behind the cameras. The ground work has already been done. You guys buy too much of the "patriotic" politics from Belgrade. (I know youre Russian from that other forum; but same difference). Its a sign of an unsophisticated electorate. These same patriotic leaders are shaking Thaci's hands today.

Whats laughable is blindly giving up reason and logic and accepting the fairy tales called religions. It is even more laughable claiming a building as some sort of affirmation for who you are as a person as a people. This sort of thinking is the thinking of those with highly diminished reasoning ability also known as religious nuts.

Throwing stones at president car isn't a democratic way to express peoples feelings. This is a criminal case.
(aaayyy, 7 January 2012 20:10)

Absolutely… the only democratic way of expressing people’s feelings is to use Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs, etc…
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As far as I know Thaci is in Serbia's warrant list, so he will most probably be arrested and questioned on organ trafficking issue.
(aaayyy, 7 January 2012 20:17)

Exactly, that’s why Tadic and co. were lucky that they were not put in Kosovo’s warrant list and probably arrested and questioned on organ trafficking issue.

Stay? In case you don't know: There are some troops from NATO countries in Kosovo, but NATO is 'slightly' different from KFOR. But you are right, Kosovo is a protectorate (UN), and for becoming a NATO member state, Kosovo has to become a state first.
(Comm. Parrisson, 7 January 2012 12:04)
Did not really understand your point unless you are trying to say that Kfor is not a predominantly NATO operation. Its commander has always been a NATO commander,more than 90% of the troops have always been NATO, the UN mandate says:
"4. The international security presence with substantial North Atlantic
Treaty Organization participation must be deployed"
so you are right "slightly" different.
As far as Kosovo being a state to become a member, it only has to have the acceptance of its members as a state, right now there are only 4 NATO countries that do not recognize the statehood of Kosovo a task that can be remedied.
Kosovo is totally surrounded by NATO allied countries so i stick to my point NATO is there to stay, so if you are hoping for their exit so you can return to finish your job, pure and simple "it ain't happening"

Self-Determination did good.

Since when is a peaceful protest something which is not democratic? - And if the police does not act accordingly to the law and mistreat the protesters, they're in their right to protect themselves.

Long live Albin Kurti and Vetëvendosja.

Albanian extremists are making a nuisance of themselves.

what happened to clams that serbs and others have freedom of movment. Some albanians say serbs are causing problems but there is a group among yourselves that is going against the grain. You claim independence but dont know how to act with it.

What a pathetic degeneration of a movement that I once believed held great promise for Kosovo/a. Who was it that remarked that cheap "patriotism" is the last resort of the scoundrel? Unfortunately also of the super-confused idealist.

On the other hand, top points to the KPS.

In Serbia, nationalist extremist at least call themselves 'radicals' and don't hide behind a misleading and positive-sounding name like 'self-determination movement' in Kosovo

this is albanian way of multiethnic society. Now they showed what they want and what they will do with rest of the Serbs in Kosovo.

Commets by Navi and Dennis are laughable, a protest against a president that fight Kosovas independence is extremist now we need Desnnis to tell us how we should cultivate our movement of freedom.

I wonder how Serbs would react if Hashim Thaci would visit Mosk in Belgrade with Turkish Prime Minister and declare that this is holy land of Ottoman Empire.

THis is still legally the president of the people protesting his visit. IF anybody cannot see the ridiculous hypocracy from NATO and albanians they need to take a closer look. By the USA logic, they should have never fought the m,exicans for land south of the rio grande river. Thedre will be big problems in Kosovo again. just look at what is going on everywhere nato has occupied and then left.

Some of these people here are just so one-sides, close minded and ignorant, it makes one want to screem. Don't u see that by the Kosovo authorities allowing Tadic's visit they try to extend a hand and say 'LETS MAKE PEACE'. They also could have said, no way, stay home, we won't let you in our country. Protests are a democratic way to express peoples feelings. And it needs to be stressed, that the Kosovo police and RUSO protected the serbian president!!! What a difference when u compare these protests to the protests going on in Northern Kosov, where people were killed and injured, and the serbian Government for the longest time poured even more oil into fire. Now we even know these so called 'protests' there were organized and paid for by some Mafia guys from serbia, which were also protected by Belgrade just until recently, until the pressure and the evidence against them could no longer be denied. Looks to me, and to any objectively thinking person that the Kosvovo government displayed good will, and it's willingness to live peacefully with it's neighbors. I hope Tadic realizes that as well.

To the so called Self-Determination Movement. Kosovo is Serbian Land whether you agree or not. Soon Serbia will liberate this land.

This is so stupid of the self determination Albanian group, obstructing freedom of Movement!! Kosovo is just one regional Balkan Problem that needs lot's of time to get the hardcore Pride of All People in the Balkans to Loosen up and stop with Nonsense like this. All Western non Balkan Nations need to go Home and Leave the Balkans Alone!!!!

Good that not only KFOR, but KPS, too, cares for the freedom of movement.

"Since when is a peaceful protest something which is not democratic? "
(Søren, 6 January 2012 18:10)

You consider vandalizing other peoples property (like Serbian buses or EULEX vehicles) is peaceful protesting? Interesting opinion, but it says a lot and shows the true face what this 'self determination movement' is like.

THis is still legally the president of the people protesting his visit. IF anybody cannot see the ridiculous hypocracy from NATO and albanians they need to take a closer look. By the USA logic, they should have never fought the m,exicans for land south of the rio grande river. Thedre will be big problems in Kosovo again. just look at what is going on everywhere nato has occupied and then left.
(Ivan, 6 January 2012 21:42)
Not sure what you mean about land south of the Rio Grande, the only war between Mexico and the US was for Texas which is north of the Rio Grande. But not sure what any of that has to do with Kosovo.
As far as when NATO leaves??? Kosovo and Serbia are smack dab in the middle of NATO territory. Whether Kosovo becomes a full member, special status member or a protectorate, NATO is there to stay. Serbia may or may not join NATO who knows but Kosovo will at least until the conclusion of World War III be NATO protected territory.

"Whether Kosovo becomes a full member, special status member or a protectorate, NATO is there to stay. "
(pss, 7 January 2012 09:30)

Stay? In case you don't know: There are some troops from NATO countries in Kosovo, but NATO is 'slightly' different from KFOR. But you are right, Kosovo is a protectorate (UN), and for becoming a NATO member state, Kosovo has to become a state first.

I wonder how Serbs would react if Hashim Thaci would visit Mosk in Belgrade with Turkish Prime Minister and declare that this is holy land of Ottoman Empire.
(Tony, 6 January 2012 22:56)

They'd laugh hysterically at the sight of two atheists laying claim to a religious site they never had historically :)

I wonder how Serbs would react if Hashim Thaci would visit Mosk in Belgrade with Turkish Prime Minister and declare that this is holy land of Ottoman Empire.
(Tony, 6 January 2012 22:56)

They are welcome to do it - but only after the minarets around Hagia Sophia are history. Turks have nothing to do with Tsargrad / Constaninople, they are welcome to move back to outher Mongolia, provided the Mongols who were culturally, ethically and industrially more developped during most of their history accept the returnees. If the Turks take a good number of Albanians with them I won't protest.

To the so called Self-Determination Movement. Kosovo is Serbian Land whether you agree or not. Soon Serbia will liberate this land.
(PRO-SERBIA, 7 January 2012 07:41)

Out of touch with reality

Some of these people here are just so one-sides, close minded and ignorant, it makes one want to screem. Don't u see that by the Kosovo authorities allowing Tadic's visit they try to extend a hand and say 'LETS MAKE PEACE'. They also could have said, no way, stay home, we won't let you in our country. Protests are a democratic way to express peoples feelings. And it needs to be stressed, that the Kosovo police and RUSO protected the serbian president!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 7 January 2012 12:04)

LOL do you honestly believe the crap you write? You really think this decision was up to the Kosovo authorities out of some sort of good will? They probably did say "no way, stay home, we won't bla bla bla" but EULEX and KFOR told them that would have made them look bad, so they agreed to let Tadic in for Christmas as well as the Russian Ambassador. If Albanians really cared about peace, they would have made efforts at finding peace with the Serbs instead of threatening war and takeover, and these nationalistic idiots that threw stones would have been told to stay home.

LOL you're really a naive person Willi having the gall to even mention ROSU :) You think the Serb protester in the north are any less "democratic"?

You consider vandalizing other peoples property (like Serbian buses or EULEX vehicles) is peaceful protesting?
(Analyst, 6 January 2012 20:54)

Absolutely not! Peaceful protest can only be carried out with peaceful means like Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs, etc...

WHERE are you going Tadicu ?
Gently, softly, quietly,carefully.

Whats laughable is blindly giving up reason and logic and accepting the fairy tales called religions. It is even more laughable claiming a building as some sort of affirmation for who you are as a person as a people. This sort of thinking is the thinking of those with highly diminished reasoning ability also known as religious nuts.

Protests are a democratic way to express peoples feelings.
(Willi Pfaff, 7 January 2012 12:04)

Throwing stones at president car isn't a democratic way to express peoples feelings. This is a criminal case.

And again: do you like it when Merkel shakes hands with Thaci?

"I wonder how Serbs would react if Hashim Thaci would visit Mosk in Belgrade"

As far as I know Thaci is in Serbia's warrant list, so he will most probably be arrested and questioned on organ trafficking issue.

THis is still legally the president of the people protesting his visit. (Ivan, 6 January 2012 21:42)

Really ?! Then why those people were not allowed to vote in 2006 for the constitution which legitimizes the president ?

Throwing stones at president car isn't a democratic way to express peoples feelings. This is a criminal case.
(aaayyy, 7 January 2012 20:10)

Absolutely… the only democratic way of expressing people’s feelings is to use Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs, etc…
----------

As far as I know Thaci is in Serbia's warrant list, so he will most probably be arrested and questioned on organ trafficking issue.
(aaayyy, 7 January 2012 20:17)

Exactly, that’s why Tadic and co. were lucky that they were not put in Kosovo’s warrant list and probably arrested and questioned on organ trafficking issue.

aayyy, nothing would happen to Thaci in Belgrade. If he still has some governmental position in 5 years, you will see him shake hands with Nikolic and Kostunica in Belgrade smiling for your media. He's already met your leaders several times behind the cameras. The ground work has already been done. You guys buy too much of the "patriotic" politics from Belgrade. (I know youre Russian from that other forum; but same difference). Its a sign of an unsophisticated electorate. These same patriotic leaders are shaking Thaci's hands today.

Stay? In case you don't know: There are some troops from NATO countries in Kosovo, but NATO is 'slightly' different from KFOR. But you are right, Kosovo is a protectorate (UN)
(Comm. Parrisson, 7 January 2012 12:04)

Exactly, which means that it is independent from Serbia and Serbia is not in charge - that's all Albanians in Kosovo care about.

Stay? In case you don't know: There are some troops from NATO countries in Kosovo, but NATO is 'slightly' different from KFOR. But you are right, Kosovo is a protectorate (UN), and for becoming a NATO member state, Kosovo has to become a state first.
(Comm. Parrisson, 7 January 2012 12:04)
Did not really understand your point unless you are trying to say that Kfor is not a predominantly NATO operation. Its commander has always been a NATO commander,more than 90% of the troops have always been NATO, the UN mandate says:
"4. The international security presence with substantial North Atlantic
Treaty Organization participation must be deployed"
so you are right "slightly" different.
As far as Kosovo being a state to become a member, it only has to have the acceptance of its members as a state, right now there are only 4 NATO countries that do not recognize the statehood of Kosovo a task that can be remedied.
Kosovo is totally surrounded by NATO allied countries so i stick to my point NATO is there to stay, so if you are hoping for their exit so you can return to finish your job, pure and simple "it ain't happening"