Croatia to withdraw genocide lawsuit - FM

Good work Croatia. The benefits of the anti Ustasa government show themselves at last. Looking forward to our common future together again.

Excellent news! These suits simply fuelled hatred. It is far better to continue bringing cases against individuals rather than try to smear entire nations.

Happy New Year to all across the region!

to Bam Bam,

With all due respect to Croatian civilians who suffered at hands of Serb paramilitary, your country didn't have right to separate from YU the way it did, it was premature separation, which was supported only by Germany, even Americans objected it and for good reason.

IMHO if you wanted smoother separation you were to cede up to 15% of the territory of former Croatian Yugoslav republic because it was disputed territory and you initialized the separation.

Also don't forget that Serbian civilians also suffered at hand of Croatian nationalists.

And your German older brothers are far away from you, while your Serbian neighbours are close to you and will always be.

IMHO Croatian/Slovenian left wing politicians were among the most sound political forces in former Yugoslavia.

@(aaayyy, 1 January 2012 15:58)

From my memories of the the events that led to the wars in the Balkans and empirical facts , we must be clear. Both Slovenia and Croatia sought independence via democratic referendums. As did Kosovo , Macedonia , Bosnia and Montenegro. This is a fact.

Im not really sure what you are saying , perhaps you want to you think that such a positive and productive move by Croatia was an excuse to revert back to some primitive nationalist myth about how eveyone else was wrong and Serbia was right all along.

I would like to be clear once and for all - Serbia never has and never will have any claim to the lands in Croatia they tried to ethnically cleanse and claim in the 1990's. Yes there were ethinic serbs living their for hundereds of years - just as there were croats living there for hundreds of years next to them , and in fact , croats had lived there for hundreds of years before Serbs arrived. This is a fact.

Lines of demarcation existed before referendums were called , and in place during Serb domination of the former Yu , which means , de-facto recognisiton of existing borders at that time. Milosevic and his ilk ignored them only to try and carve out out a Greater serbia based on nothing more than myths and lies. This is a fact.

So here is the undeniable truth - democratic referendums were held in republics that were already in place long before serbs decided it didnt serve their pupose. They (the Serbs) were the ones who made arbitrary decisions , NOT the other republics. This, my friend, is an undeniable empirical truth. The referendums clearlly show that no one - not one other republic wanted live in , or under a serb dominated yugoslavia. Another undeniable fact.

As the saying goes : "you can you your own opinions - but you can't have your own facts."

Do u really think the defenders will allow such idiotic left wing commie decisions to be implemented. I don't think so.

(truthiness, 1 January 2012 21:10)

Wow, what complete garbage in one posting. It's been a while since I've seen so many lies represented as 'facts' by someone falsely calling themselves 'truthiness'.
Let me tell you the real facts. Serbs in Croatia suffered genocide in WWII, and the Croats never paid for it - fact. Serbs in Croatia did not want to part of a new fascist state led by a holocaust denier like Tudjman, they held their own referendum and overwhelmingly voted to stay in Yugoslavia - fact. Serbs in Croatia suffered a second genocide, this time sponsored by the US and Germany, and in one weekend were completely wiped out from their homes - fact. Croatia celebrates this genocide as a national holiday - fact.
Serbs in Bosnia boycotted the referendum on independence, and said they would remain in Yugoslavia no matter what the muslims and croats voted for - this was ignored by Germany of course, and they recognized the fake country anyway, even though Serbians controlled most of the land in Bosnia - fact.
I could go on and on ripping apart your lies, but I don't have all night. I suggest you watch 'The Weight of Chains', a documentary about the breakup of Yugoslavia which shows the real truth about what happened. Oh, and since you are big supporter of the right to self determination for all peoples, then I am sure you will agree that the Serbs also have this right.
Croats, Bosnian Muslims, and albanians all supported Hitler - fact. Germany today is vehemently supporting these same groups while doing everything in their power to destroy Serbia - fact.
Cheers and Happy New Year!

(truthiness,

Let's try to separate facts from opinions in your post.

Let's start with the Facts:

1) former YU had demarcation lines between its 6 republics and between central Serbia and its autonomous province Kosovo.

2) simple majority of each republic and Kosovo province wanted to separate and expressed their will on referendums.

That's about all. Now let's proceed to the Opinions:

1) your post implies that all those mentioned demarcation lines were to become state borders if YU was to disintegrate. This isn't a fact but your opinion which could differ from other opinions. I read books and articles written by Serbs who didn't think so. Please give me a link to any documents (facts) which prove you right and them wrong.

2) your post implies that simple majority of each republic and Kosovo province had rights to decide on separation from original country. This is also only your opinion. Croatia was a republic of two constitutional people - Croats and Serbs. IMHO it would be logical for both those ethnic communities to have veto power over such important issue as separation.

Could you answer my question: who has right for referendums and over which issues?

Bam bam, I wish I was big enough not to fee satisfied by the discomfort of ultra right wingers like you. Problem is that your kind hurt us so much and continue to try to hurt us, we can't remain quite as rational as we would like.

The truth is after all the muck that people with beliefs like yours dragged us through in the 90's, we will win in the end. That is the ordinary people, who are not extremists and want to move foreward and have normal lives.

And the bitterness of people with views such as yourself, well get used to it....

Croatia will withdraw its charges of genocide against Serbia, because they fuel "base emotions, which is immoral towards the people".

This was heard from Croatia's new Foreign Minister Vesna Pusić.

"When it comes to the lawsuits, there are two options. One is to solve problems, like missing people, stolen property and war crimes trials. Serbia and its criminal leadership is not interested in solving problems only interested in finishing its thievery or coming clean of Serbia's many war crimes just hiding covering them as usual. It is 17 years from the end of Serbia's criminal war aggression on Croatia and its current criminal government is not much better then Slobos many crimes up to the same criminality http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property http://www.nacional.hr/en/clanak/50512/inas-lawsuit-threatens-top-serbian-ranks http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=04&dd=27&nav_id=74019 . Vesna Pusić seems like a simpleton few days on the job already opening her unwise stupid mouth. "We will stick to the view that we gained the people's trust in the elections so we would solve their problems and make their life easier, and not to deceive them," Pusić concluded. You will lose trust as fast never informed the citizens during the election of your stupid agenda Pusić should be dismissed forth with. That is deceiving the citizens that are your bosses what do you expect from shameless atheist communist bunch of liars and deceivers as usual.

Bam Bam - You obviously know very little about history. In fact, polling evidence shows that the Croats were actually rather more in favour of Yugoslavia than you realise. On the eve of independence, most wanted to revise the constitution of Yugoslavia to create a confederation rather than go their own way. Had it not been for nationalists on all sides things might have been rather different in the Balkans in the 1990s. I would suggest that if you decide to engage in these sorts of discussions you come armed with a bit more than bigotry!

1) your post implies that all those mentioned demarcation lines were to become state borders if YU was to disintegrate. This isn't a fact but your opinion which could differ from other opinions. I read books and articles written by Serbs who didn't think so. Please give me a link to any documents (facts) which prove you right and them wrong.

(aaayyy, 1 January 2012 23:02)

So Referendums are to be only looked upon as an "opinion" as opposed to the majority view of the masses?

So if a referendum regarding the independence of Place X resulted in 99% of it saying it wanted independence, we should look at it as an opinion only, and those three or four villages which majority said no should not become apart of a new country? Imagine if Britain had applied that logic to the US? Ridiculous isn't it?

Croatia was a defined territory long before Croatia declared independence and Croatia's borders were not in Croatia's favour, nor were they in Serbia's favour either. Independent Croatia was declared under the borders of the former "Socialist Republic of Croatia". You know that, you're just twisting it. If what you are saying is the case, then how come Croatia isn't entitled to the ethnic Croatian areas of Vojvodina and Bosnia?

Because Croatia's borders are based upon the borders of SFR Yugoslavia.

Happy New Year, Lenard! What happened to your resolution not to be a nasty, miserable, racist, hateful misanthrope in 2012? I know it is hard to stick to these things, but I am sure you could do better than 24 hours! :-)

Bad move on Croatia's part. Croatia didn't attack Serbia.

May I explain to those Serbs with I.Q's less then 50. When Martic's Serbs elected to stay in YU, they should have stayed. All they had to do is pack their bags and make there way across the Drina River and they would've been back in there beloved twisted YU. Nobody wanted YU other than the Serbs. YU was only good for the Serbs, thats why they continue to polish the tomb of a Croat named Tito.
(Bam Bam, 2 January 2012 14:46)

The topic of this story is Croatia will withdraw its charges of genocide against Serbia. If it has not dawned on you yet then here is the real story – the Serbs now control Croatia.

May I explain to those Serbs with I.Q's less then 50. When Martic's Serbs elected to stay in YU, they should have stayed. All they had to do is pack their bags and make there way across the Drina River and they would've been back in there beloved twisted YU. Nobody wanted YU other than the Serbs. YU was only good for the Serbs, thats why they continue to polish the tomb of a Croat named Tito.

The topic of this story is Croatia will withdraw its charges of genocide against Serbia. If it has not dawned on you yet then here is the real story – the Serbs now control Croatia.
(sj, 2 January 2012 23:14)

Yes, Much like the Serbs now control Kosovo. Interesting concept of reality you have.

So if a referendum regarding the independence of Place X resulted in 99% of it saying it wanted independence, we should look at it as an opinion only, and those three or four villages which majority said no should not become apart of a new country? Imagine if Britain had applied that logic to the US? Ridiculous isn't it?

Croatia was a defined territory long before Croatia declared independence and Croatia's borders were not in Croatia's favour, nor were they in Serbia's favour either. Independent Croatia was declared under the borders of the former "Socialist Republic of Croatia". You know that, you're just twisting it. If what you are saying is the case, then how come Croatia isn't entitled to the ethnic Croatian areas of Vojvodina and Bosnia?

Because Croatia's borders are based upon the borders of SFR Yugoslavia.
(Ian, UK, 2 January 2012 02:51)

1) There was much less than 99% of Croatia population supporting independence
2) Those who opposed independence occupied much more than 3-4 villages
3) According to YU constitution Croatia was a republic of two peoples - Croats and Serbs, so IMHO Croatian Serbs should have had their say concerning republic's important issues.
4) There were no laws/documents which said that YU republics had rights to separate along their demarcation borders according to the rezults of rederendums (the will of simple majority).
5) As far as I know Great Britain applied that logic to Ireland, taking Northern Ireland, and that decision was based on the fact that the majority of Northern Ireland wanted to be part of Great Britain
6) Croatian Serbs didn't trust Croatian nationalistic leadership led by Tudjman.
7) If Serbia initialized the separation, perhaps Croatian populated regions of Serbia had rights to remain in YU.
8) There is no much sense to divide one artificial country to make several artificial countries with the same ethnic conflics and problems
9) One should be very careful drawing demarcation lines in a country because later on some foreigners may decide to make those lines state borders.

My point is what you think and what I think about YU disintegration are only subjective opinions, since there were no laws and procedures on YU possible division.

Thats the thing now isnt it,the republics were republics and the provinces were provinces.In that sense many Serbs see these demarcation liens as unfair due to the fact that ethnic Albanians had their own autonomy within Serbia while there was no such thing for Serbs in Bosnia or Croatia.It was Tito;s biggest mistake.He tried to appease other Yugoslav peoples over others which eventually helped to lead the republics to war.

Of course we have a lot on our part as well,we did our share of atrocities about 4000 civilians,about the same number of Serbs killed.We rejected the Z4 plan which we maby should not have.but just as an agreement was about to be reached Franjo,with American backing,invaded a UN safe Zone in the Krajna region.No offence but I just find it funny of you pointing the finger at other nations for ethnic cleansing while your country expelled more than 300,000 people.But hey as Jim Implied,there is no good in demonizing an entire nation.Both parties should withdraw these rediculous charges.I think the peoples of Yugoslavia have to come up with a plan of inter governmental bodies which would help establish regional autonomies within their respected republics.The demarcation lines of Tito's State and of current political entities like the two states of Bosnia and the North of Kosovo,and once and for all establish a heirarchy as to how these territories can function with adherence to their respective states but with local self rule.This means or could mean:

.Kosovo remains officially as part of Serbia within in of course ethnic will albanians have their own parliament as do the Serbs have their local self government in Places such as the north and Strpce.Sub regional body for those Bosniaks who wish to have such an organisation in Sandjak,although many as in over half would not bother to much with it.In all respects these territories REMAIN WITHIN SERBIA

.Bosnia remains united,the Croats could have their own sub-regional entity,and respect for the equal Status of entities with regards to republica srpska.In all respects these territories will REMAIN WITHIN BOSNIA/HERZEGOVINA.

.Croatia to host a subregional autonomos organisation and territories for those Serbs not expelled, in all respects these territories will REMAIN WITHIN CROATIA.

One could say it is complicated,but hey if it works in Belgium where they have like 5 main parliaments and dozens of subreagional organisations,then i think it can work with us in Yugoslavia.

Thats the thing now isnt it,the republics were republics and the provinces were provinces.In that sense many Serbs see these demarcation liens as unfair due to the fact that ethnic Albanians had their own autonomy within Serbia while there was no such thing for Serbs in Bosnia or Croatia.It was Tito;s biggest mistake.He tried to appease other Yugoslav peoples over others which eventually helped to lead the republics to war.
(Lazar D)

But as far as I know Serbs had special status within Bosnia and Croatia: Croatia was a republic of two peoples - Croats and Serbs and Bosnia was a republic of three peoples - Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats. Unfortunately Serbs as constituent people in those republic didn't have their say on republics important decisions, because some foreigners decided on principles of YU desintegration. Unfortunately nationalists came to power in former YU who didn't want to keep YU and couldn't elaborate scheme of peaceful desintegration.

Yes, Much like the Serbs now control Kosovo. Interesting concept of reality you have.
(truthiness, 3 January 2012 00:45)

I ever mention controlling Kosovo? Kosovo is a separate issue completely which needs to cook slowly like a good stew.
He is your reality mate, Croatia either kisses Serbian arse or it can whistle Dixy because the EU has NO MORE MONEY TO PROP UP CROATIA. And if you believe that tourism keeps Croatia alive then you can live in fairyland all you like.
I suggest that you keep abreast of your Croatia on your HTV programs. This is 2012 not 1998.

Do u really think the defenders will allow such idiotic left wing commie decisions to be implemented. I don't think so.

Bam bam, I wish I was big enough not to fee satisfied by the discomfort of ultra right wingers like you. Problem is that your kind hurt us so much and continue to try to hurt us, we can't remain quite as rational as we would like.

The truth is after all the muck that people with beliefs like yours dragged us through in the 90's, we will win in the end. That is the ordinary people, who are not extremists and want to move foreward and have normal lives.

And the bitterness of people with views such as yourself, well get used to it....

@(aaayyy, 1 January 2012 15:58)

From my memories of the the events that led to the wars in the Balkans and empirical facts , we must be clear. Both Slovenia and Croatia sought independence via democratic referendums. As did Kosovo , Macedonia , Bosnia and Montenegro. This is a fact.

Im not really sure what you are saying , perhaps you want to you think that such a positive and productive move by Croatia was an excuse to revert back to some primitive nationalist myth about how eveyone else was wrong and Serbia was right all along.

I would like to be clear once and for all - Serbia never has and never will have any claim to the lands in Croatia they tried to ethnically cleanse and claim in the 1990's. Yes there were ethinic serbs living their for hundereds of years - just as there were croats living there for hundreds of years next to them , and in fact , croats had lived there for hundreds of years before Serbs arrived. This is a fact.

Lines of demarcation existed before referendums were called , and in place during Serb domination of the former Yu , which means , de-facto recognisiton of existing borders at that time. Milosevic and his ilk ignored them only to try and carve out out a Greater serbia based on nothing more than myths and lies. This is a fact.

So here is the undeniable truth - democratic referendums were held in republics that were already in place long before serbs decided it didnt serve their pupose. They (the Serbs) were the ones who made arbitrary decisions , NOT the other republics. This, my friend, is an undeniable empirical truth. The referendums clearlly show that no one - not one other republic wanted live in , or under a serb dominated yugoslavia. Another undeniable fact.

As the saying goes : "you can you your own opinions - but you can't have your own facts."

to Bam Bam,

With all due respect to Croatian civilians who suffered at hands of Serb paramilitary, your country didn't have right to separate from YU the way it did, it was premature separation, which was supported only by Germany, even Americans objected it and for good reason.

IMHO if you wanted smoother separation you were to cede up to 15% of the territory of former Croatian Yugoslav republic because it was disputed territory and you initialized the separation.

Also don't forget that Serbian civilians also suffered at hand of Croatian nationalists.

And your German older brothers are far away from you, while your Serbian neighbours are close to you and will always be.

IMHO Croatian/Slovenian left wing politicians were among the most sound political forces in former Yugoslavia.

Excellent news! These suits simply fuelled hatred. It is far better to continue bringing cases against individuals rather than try to smear entire nations.

Happy New Year to all across the region!

Bad move on Croatia's part. Croatia didn't attack Serbia.

Croatia will withdraw its charges of genocide against Serbia, because they fuel "base emotions, which is immoral towards the people".

This was heard from Croatia's new Foreign Minister Vesna Pusić.

"When it comes to the lawsuits, there are two options. One is to solve problems, like missing people, stolen property and war crimes trials. Serbia and its criminal leadership is not interested in solving problems only interested in finishing its thievery or coming clean of Serbia's many war crimes just hiding covering them as usual. It is 17 years from the end of Serbia's criminal war aggression on Croatia and its current criminal government is not much better then Slobos many crimes up to the same criminality http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property http://www.nacional.hr/en/clanak/50512/inas-lawsuit-threatens-top-serbian-ranks http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=04&dd=27&nav_id=74019 . Vesna Pusić seems like a simpleton few days on the job already opening her unwise stupid mouth. "We will stick to the view that we gained the people's trust in the elections so we would solve their problems and make their life easier, and not to deceive them," Pusić concluded. You will lose trust as fast never informed the citizens during the election of your stupid agenda Pusić should be dismissed forth with. That is deceiving the citizens that are your bosses what do you expect from shameless atheist communist bunch of liars and deceivers as usual.

(truthiness,

Let's try to separate facts from opinions in your post.

Let's start with the Facts:

1) former YU had demarcation lines between its 6 republics and between central Serbia and its autonomous province Kosovo.

2) simple majority of each republic and Kosovo province wanted to separate and expressed their will on referendums.

That's about all. Now let's proceed to the Opinions:

1) your post implies that all those mentioned demarcation lines were to become state borders if YU was to disintegrate. This isn't a fact but your opinion which could differ from other opinions. I read books and articles written by Serbs who didn't think so. Please give me a link to any documents (facts) which prove you right and them wrong.

2) your post implies that simple majority of each republic and Kosovo province had rights to decide on separation from original country. This is also only your opinion. Croatia was a republic of two constitutional people - Croats and Serbs. IMHO it would be logical for both those ethnic communities to have veto power over such important issue as separation.

Could you answer my question: who has right for referendums and over which issues?

Good work Croatia. The benefits of the anti Ustasa government show themselves at last. Looking forward to our common future together again.

(truthiness, 1 January 2012 21:10)

Wow, what complete garbage in one posting. It's been a while since I've seen so many lies represented as 'facts' by someone falsely calling themselves 'truthiness'.
Let me tell you the real facts. Serbs in Croatia suffered genocide in WWII, and the Croats never paid for it - fact. Serbs in Croatia did not want to part of a new fascist state led by a holocaust denier like Tudjman, they held their own referendum and overwhelmingly voted to stay in Yugoslavia - fact. Serbs in Croatia suffered a second genocide, this time sponsored by the US and Germany, and in one weekend were completely wiped out from their homes - fact. Croatia celebrates this genocide as a national holiday - fact.
Serbs in Bosnia boycotted the referendum on independence, and said they would remain in Yugoslavia no matter what the muslims and croats voted for - this was ignored by Germany of course, and they recognized the fake country anyway, even though Serbians controlled most of the land in Bosnia - fact.
I could go on and on ripping apart your lies, but I don't have all night. I suggest you watch 'The Weight of Chains', a documentary about the breakup of Yugoslavia which shows the real truth about what happened. Oh, and since you are big supporter of the right to self determination for all peoples, then I am sure you will agree that the Serbs also have this right.
Croats, Bosnian Muslims, and albanians all supported Hitler - fact. Germany today is vehemently supporting these same groups while doing everything in their power to destroy Serbia - fact.
Cheers and Happy New Year!

May I explain to those Serbs with I.Q's less then 50. When Martic's Serbs elected to stay in YU, they should have stayed. All they had to do is pack their bags and make there way across the Drina River and they would've been back in there beloved twisted YU. Nobody wanted YU other than the Serbs. YU was only good for the Serbs, thats why they continue to polish the tomb of a Croat named Tito.

So if a referendum regarding the independence of Place X resulted in 99% of it saying it wanted independence, we should look at it as an opinion only, and those three or four villages which majority said no should not become apart of a new country? Imagine if Britain had applied that logic to the US? Ridiculous isn't it?

Croatia was a defined territory long before Croatia declared independence and Croatia's borders were not in Croatia's favour, nor were they in Serbia's favour either. Independent Croatia was declared under the borders of the former "Socialist Republic of Croatia". You know that, you're just twisting it. If what you are saying is the case, then how come Croatia isn't entitled to the ethnic Croatian areas of Vojvodina and Bosnia?

Because Croatia's borders are based upon the borders of SFR Yugoslavia.
(Ian, UK, 2 January 2012 02:51)

1) There was much less than 99% of Croatia population supporting independence
2) Those who opposed independence occupied much more than 3-4 villages
3) According to YU constitution Croatia was a republic of two peoples - Croats and Serbs, so IMHO Croatian Serbs should have had their say concerning republic's important issues.
4) There were no laws/documents which said that YU republics had rights to separate along their demarcation borders according to the rezults of rederendums (the will of simple majority).
5) As far as I know Great Britain applied that logic to Ireland, taking Northern Ireland, and that decision was based on the fact that the majority of Northern Ireland wanted to be part of Great Britain
6) Croatian Serbs didn't trust Croatian nationalistic leadership led by Tudjman.
7) If Serbia initialized the separation, perhaps Croatian populated regions of Serbia had rights to remain in YU.
8) There is no much sense to divide one artificial country to make several artificial countries with the same ethnic conflics and problems
9) One should be very careful drawing demarcation lines in a country because later on some foreigners may decide to make those lines state borders.

My point is what you think and what I think about YU disintegration are only subjective opinions, since there were no laws and procedures on YU possible division.

May I explain to those Serbs with I.Q's less then 50. When Martic's Serbs elected to stay in YU, they should have stayed. All they had to do is pack their bags and make there way across the Drina River and they would've been back in there beloved twisted YU. Nobody wanted YU other than the Serbs. YU was only good for the Serbs, thats why they continue to polish the tomb of a Croat named Tito.
(Bam Bam, 2 January 2012 14:46)

The topic of this story is Croatia will withdraw its charges of genocide against Serbia. If it has not dawned on you yet then here is the real story – the Serbs now control Croatia.

Happy New Year, Lenard! What happened to your resolution not to be a nasty, miserable, racist, hateful misanthrope in 2012? I know it is hard to stick to these things, but I am sure you could do better than 24 hours! :-)

Thats the thing now isnt it,the republics were republics and the provinces were provinces.In that sense many Serbs see these demarcation liens as unfair due to the fact that ethnic Albanians had their own autonomy within Serbia while there was no such thing for Serbs in Bosnia or Croatia.It was Tito;s biggest mistake.He tried to appease other Yugoslav peoples over others which eventually helped to lead the republics to war.
(Lazar D)

But as far as I know Serbs had special status within Bosnia and Croatia: Croatia was a republic of two peoples - Croats and Serbs and Bosnia was a republic of three peoples - Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats. Unfortunately Serbs as constituent people in those republic didn't have their say on republics important decisions, because some foreigners decided on principles of YU desintegration. Unfortunately nationalists came to power in former YU who didn't want to keep YU and couldn't elaborate scheme of peaceful desintegration.

Bam Bam - You obviously know very little about history. In fact, polling evidence shows that the Croats were actually rather more in favour of Yugoslavia than you realise. On the eve of independence, most wanted to revise the constitution of Yugoslavia to create a confederation rather than go their own way. Had it not been for nationalists on all sides things might have been rather different in the Balkans in the 1990s. I would suggest that if you decide to engage in these sorts of discussions you come armed with a bit more than bigotry!

1) your post implies that all those mentioned demarcation lines were to become state borders if YU was to disintegrate. This isn't a fact but your opinion which could differ from other opinions. I read books and articles written by Serbs who didn't think so. Please give me a link to any documents (facts) which prove you right and them wrong.

(aaayyy, 1 January 2012 23:02)

So Referendums are to be only looked upon as an "opinion" as opposed to the majority view of the masses?

So if a referendum regarding the independence of Place X resulted in 99% of it saying it wanted independence, we should look at it as an opinion only, and those three or four villages which majority said no should not become apart of a new country? Imagine if Britain had applied that logic to the US? Ridiculous isn't it?

Croatia was a defined territory long before Croatia declared independence and Croatia's borders were not in Croatia's favour, nor were they in Serbia's favour either. Independent Croatia was declared under the borders of the former "Socialist Republic of Croatia". You know that, you're just twisting it. If what you are saying is the case, then how come Croatia isn't entitled to the ethnic Croatian areas of Vojvodina and Bosnia?

Because Croatia's borders are based upon the borders of SFR Yugoslavia.

Thats the thing now isnt it,the republics were republics and the provinces were provinces.In that sense many Serbs see these demarcation liens as unfair due to the fact that ethnic Albanians had their own autonomy within Serbia while there was no such thing for Serbs in Bosnia or Croatia.It was Tito;s biggest mistake.He tried to appease other Yugoslav peoples over others which eventually helped to lead the republics to war.

Of course we have a lot on our part as well,we did our share of atrocities about 4000 civilians,about the same number of Serbs killed.We rejected the Z4 plan which we maby should not have.but just as an agreement was about to be reached Franjo,with American backing,invaded a UN safe Zone in the Krajna region.No offence but I just find it funny of you pointing the finger at other nations for ethnic cleansing while your country expelled more than 300,000 people.But hey as Jim Implied,there is no good in demonizing an entire nation.Both parties should withdraw these rediculous charges.I think the peoples of Yugoslavia have to come up with a plan of inter governmental bodies which would help establish regional autonomies within their respected republics.The demarcation lines of Tito's State and of current political entities like the two states of Bosnia and the North of Kosovo,and once and for all establish a heirarchy as to how these territories can function with adherence to their respective states but with local self rule.This means or could mean:

.Kosovo remains officially as part of Serbia within in of course ethnic will albanians have their own parliament as do the Serbs have their local self government in Places such as the north and Strpce.Sub regional body for those Bosniaks who wish to have such an organisation in Sandjak,although many as in over half would not bother to much with it.In all respects these territories REMAIN WITHIN SERBIA

.Bosnia remains united,the Croats could have their own sub-regional entity,and respect for the equal Status of entities with regards to republica srpska.In all respects these territories will REMAIN WITHIN BOSNIA/HERZEGOVINA.

.Croatia to host a subregional autonomos organisation and territories for those Serbs not expelled, in all respects these territories will REMAIN WITHIN CROATIA.

One could say it is complicated,but hey if it works in Belgium where they have like 5 main parliaments and dozens of subreagional organisations,then i think it can work with us in Yugoslavia.

The topic of this story is Croatia will withdraw its charges of genocide against Serbia. If it has not dawned on you yet then here is the real story – the Serbs now control Croatia.
(sj, 2 January 2012 23:14)

Yes, Much like the Serbs now control Kosovo. Interesting concept of reality you have.

Yes, Much like the Serbs now control Kosovo. Interesting concept of reality you have.
(truthiness, 3 January 2012 00:45)

I ever mention controlling Kosovo? Kosovo is a separate issue completely which needs to cook slowly like a good stew.
He is your reality mate, Croatia either kisses Serbian arse or it can whistle Dixy because the EU has NO MORE MONEY TO PROP UP CROATIA. And if you believe that tourism keeps Croatia alive then you can live in fairyland all you like.
I suggest that you keep abreast of your Croatia on your HTV programs. This is 2012 not 1998.