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Thursday, 29.12.2011.

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Official criticizes referendum in northern Kosovo

Ministry for Kosovo State Secretary Oliver Ivanović says the referendum in northern Kosovo would limit Serbia's maneuvering room in relations with the EU.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.
(icj1, 30 December 2011 16:56)
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And I thought that Jews make best comedians.
(Peggy, 2 January 2012 14:32)

Excactly dear - it's the Russians and Chinese and others who set up the courts which said the above.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Albanians are a forgiving race
(Ozzie, 31 December 2011 02:49)
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Ha ha ha hahahahaha.

That was really good. Can you tell us another?
And I thought you guys were only good at selling pumpkin seeds.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.
(icj1, 30 December 2011 16:56)
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And I thought that Jews make best comedians.

Ozzie

pre 12 godina

I find it so strange how the Serbian people try to justify war murder and deny any culpability for what happened during the yugo wars. Conspiracy this or that blah blah people died, thats no lieHow many people have died senselessly, one life is no greater than another, we are all mixed in the Balkans there is no purity, Serbia was once great during the medieval times but in the last hundred you have shown how irresponsible you are in the position of power, that power has corrupted you and there's a price for that attitude which I hope humbles you people. Serbia died in Kosovo polje, and in Kosovo you shall find you freedom amongst the peoples, Albanians are a forgiving race

icj1

pre 12 godina

How will Pristina nullifying the results be a win for them? They have no authority in the north.
(Stop being a jerk, Berk, 30 December 2011 18:34)

so, what's the referendum needed about if you know the answer already ?!

Stop being a jerk, Berk

pre 12 godina

Prishtina will certainly call it null and viod and on the ground Barricadistan will enjoy all tear gas sorts of NATO's disposal. Pure win-win situation for the Albanian side.

Cheers!
(Berk., 29 December 2011 19:04)

How will Pristina nullifying the results be a win for them? They have no authority in the north. You admitted it youtself with your continued wish of violence against ordinary people by NATO. Is aggression the only thing you wish for?

Ozzie

pre 12 godina

Peggy
A day shall come in the future when the Serbs apologize to the victims in kosovo and the ex yugo countries vote that in your constitution no different to other countries who did similar things. That's the truth.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Nobody tried to exterminate you and you know it. Stop inventing more rubbish.
(Peggy, 30 December 2011 15:31)

I think Peggy is correct here. The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

The fight for freedom especially against an enemy which tried to exterminate is never useless, even if it takes "forever" as you state, which I don't think, btw.

Eternal resistance, only freedom!

Cheers!
(Berk., 30 December 2011 14:33)
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Nobody tried to exterminate you and you know it. Stop inventing more rubbish.
Truth is slowly coming our and more people are seeing the lies you spun them back then.
You started the conflict and now cry because Serbs fought back.

Berk.

pre 12 godina

But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

The fight for freedom especially against an enemy which tried to exterminate is never useless, even if it takes "forever" as you state, which I don't think, btw.

Eternal resistance, only freedom!

Cheers!

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)
Yes and if the international community had not misinterpreted your goals then you would most likely have an Albanian free Kosovo now wouldn't you?

Radio GaGa

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

Poor misunderstood Serbia. Stupid Kosovo-Albanians: how could they have missed that being killed, expelled etc. was only Serbia's way of expressing special attention.

ardi asllani

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

Realistic Albanian is asking you to get on the car and come to Kosova/o and see for yourself.You can drive on any remote /mountainous ares on asphalted road, which Kosova/o never had it before. You will see high rise buildings all over Kosova/o, etc... I can go on and on forever Ivan.

Irrelevant

pre 12 godina

Is Kosovo UDI legal under Serbian law?
(aaayyy, 29 December 2011 23:37)
Irrelevant question, since the enactment of Resolution 1244 Kosovo was not under Serbian law. The only laws recognized by 1244 are those that first UNMIK enacted temporarily and then those that were drafted by the elected officials of Kosovo through their mandate of 1244.

Blero

pre 12 godina

MikeC,Funny how you mention Northern Epirus where 88% of population is Albanian but forgot to mention Southern Epiri (Cameria) all the way to Preveza,the size of Kosova wich until 1945 was pure Albanian.You for a reason might avoid to mention but thanks is us Albanians who dont forget and make sure we will get back that part as soon as we finish with our Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too. (Ruben-NYC, 29 December 2011 15:26)

Yes, that's what I wrote back a week ago but it was censored by the um democratic press. go figure.

the whole pol trajectory of northern kosova is a bad one as in the 90s, and w/all of their barricades, it will end badly for the common ppl. but who cares about them, esp.ly when greater-serbian politik is at stake.

as for bosnia, i am (not) sorry to very strongly disagree with some of the posters here. there is nothing "natural" about rs (built upon genocide) separating from bosnia, much less joining w serbia. it shows an absolute lack of understanding of history. what is it with some ppl in the balkans... there is no such things as ethnic purity, homogeneity. it is imaginary, and in (attempted) practice, extremely dangerous. anyone remember 3rd reich, ww2... come on, ppl, we can do better than that.

as long as this push for ethnic "purity" continues, there will never be peace or progress, i can promise you.

ciao. roberto frisco

icj1

pre 12 godina

Is Kosovo UDI legal under Serbian law?
(aaayyy, 29 December 2011 23:37)

I would say Kosovo's UDI is illegal under Serbian Law. But, of course, nobody appointed me to be the competent entity to provide the opinion on the matter. A Serbian court has to decide on the matter if anybody brings that to the Serbian judiciary.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The wisest course of action is to accept the result of the referendum and put the North back under Serbia's control.
(Bob, 29 December 2011 18:04)

But the North is already under Serbia, because Kosovo is Serbia, isn't it ?

icj1

pre 12 godina

The new straw to grab for the Kosovo Albanians, this new definition: "countries that matter". Funny. But understandable if you know that the majority of the UN member countires did NOT recognize Kosovo, neither China, the biggest country in the world, Russia, Spain ... Good that they all 'don't matter', and it probably doesn't matter that Kosovo won't become an UN member, nor an EU member, doesn't even have an own phone prefix because it cannot become an ITU member, problems with greencard for car insurance came up because Kosovo is not a member, and some more things that don't matter - all fine, as long as Thaci & friends can do their 'business' in Kosovo without being bothered by the police.
(Analyst, 29 December 2011 19:31)

I still don't understand though how all of those "important" things you named above would have been addressed for Kosovo Albanians under the more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence thing. Kosovo would not have been recognized by Russia, China, or Spain anyway; Kosovo would have not had its seat at the UN anyway; Kosovo would not have had its seat at the EU anyway; Kosovo would not have had its own international phone prefix anyway, etc, etc.... So, I'm not sure what your point is.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
Ruben-NYC"

They probably should. Vojvodina should follow along.
(metrod, 29 December 2011 15:49)

LOL maybe if the Albanians troll hard enough around here someone over there might get the message, though I'm real curious about Vojvodina since it's more that 75% Serb. Oh well :)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
(Ruben-NYC, 29 December 2011 15:26)

don't you think that Albanians have already taken a lot of Kosovo, now its Serbian turn to take something back.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

You serbs really have to decide whether to refer to Kosovar leaders as such, (leaders of the Kosovars), or terrorists that declared the self-determination in 2008.

Pick your titles, tell jeremic too since he was b*tching about not allowing (at the time) Kosovo's Foreign Minister Skender Hyseni to only be addressed (in Hague for ICJ court hearing) as a representative of the "authors of the unilateral declaration of independence".


Sincerely,

Engineer

pre 12 godina

They should be followed by Republika Srpska and norhtern Epirus in south Albania where the greeks would like independece from albanian rule. Funny how you albanians always forget about these territories when you speak about secession.
(MikeC, 29 December 2011 18:03)

North Epirus let it come do a Referendum Mike and you will see no issue with that.

Republic Serbska as well it should not concern Albanians nothing to do with them and if they want to join Serbia why not I do not think its healthy to live like in Bosnia.

I personally think unless this things happen its hard to force this people to live together so I would say this:

Serbia gets Repubilk Serbska + Portion of North Kosovo and portion of Montenegro.

Albania + Kosovo + Portion of Macedonia and Presevo Vally

Bosnia gets a portion of Sandjak + Portion of Serbska Sebrenica and small part in north.

This wont happen in our life time but you never know.

ivan

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.

Berk.

pre 12 godina

How sweet, Serbs in Kosovo now following noone's legislation. Municipal referendums are even according Serbia's law illegal. If Belgrade does not condemn it and call it illegal then expect referenda in Albanian, Bosniak and Hungarian municipalities. Prishtina will certainly call it null and viod and on the ground Barricadistan will enjoy all tear gas sorts of NATO's disposal. Pure win-win situation for the Albanian side.

Cheers!

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Now the majority of countries that "matter" in Europe and the world recognize Kosova. "
(USA United States of Albania, 29 December 2011 15:44)

The new straw to grab for the Kosovo Albanians, this new definition: "countries that matter". Funny. But understandable if you know that the majority of the UN member countires did NOT recognize Kosovo, neither China, the biggest country in the world, Russia, Spain ... Good that they all 'don't matter', and it probably doesn't matter that Kosovo won't become an UN member, nor an EU member, doesn't even have an own phone prefix because it cannot become an ITU member, problems with greencard for car insurance came up because Kosovo is not a member, and some more things that don't matter - all fine, as long as Thaci & friends can do their 'business' in Kosovo without being bothered by the police.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too."

Ruben-NYC

They should be followed by Republika Srpska and norhtern Epirus in south Albania where the greeks would like independece from albanian rule. Funny how you albanians always forget about these territories when you speak about secession.

Bob

pre 12 godina

Presevo is and remains part of Serbia.

So does Kosovo.

The referendum is to resolve a particular sticking point for the administration of the North of Kosovo.

That is all it is - even if the North of Kosovo comes back under full Belgrade control (as it should) it changes nothing else concerning Serbia's ownership of the rest of Kosovo or Presevo (or anything else).

It is not an excuse for any further wheeling or dealing from Albanians or the international community.

The wisest course of action is to accept the result of the referendum and put the North back under Serbia's control. It will probably then me much easier to keep to 1244 throughout the rest of Kosovo, and so allow the strong autonomy that is effectively the current situation. The udi claim is not functioning fully - it is under an international protectorate, in disputed territory and it does not have control of all of the territory. The udi may sustain, but it certainly is not fully established.

icj1

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

Absolutely correct... for them, Presevo valley, etc...

LMAO

pre 12 godina

And who knew that all this time when they were saying lets keep things stirred up in the north to make life miserable for Kosovo and the internationals that it would end up coming back to bite them where they sit.

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

The difference my dear Winston is that a "few years back" Kosovar ALbanians SUCCESSFULLY held a referendum and voted for independence. Now the majority of countries that "matter" in Europe and the world recognize Kosova. Lets see how well another poorly thought out stunt turns out for the northern Serbs. The Kosovar Serbs masters in Belgrade don't even support them. What makes you think ANY country other than the 68,000 Serbs of Northern Kosova will recognize this so-called referendum? Serbs once again spinning their wheels in the sand!

winston

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?

metrod

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
Ruben-NYC"

They probably should. Vojvodina should follow along.

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

The difference my dear Winston is that a "few years back" Kosovar ALbanians SUCCESSFULLY held a referendum and voted for independence. Now the majority of countries that "matter" in Europe and the world recognize Kosova. Lets see how well another poorly thought out stunt turns out for the northern Serbs. The Kosovar Serbs masters in Belgrade don't even support them. What makes you think ANY country other than the 68,000 Serbs of Northern Kosova will recognize this so-called referendum? Serbs once again spinning their wheels in the sand!

metrod

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
Ruben-NYC"

They probably should. Vojvodina should follow along.

winston

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?

LMAO

pre 12 godina

And who knew that all this time when they were saying lets keep things stirred up in the north to make life miserable for Kosovo and the internationals that it would end up coming back to bite them where they sit.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too."

Ruben-NYC

They should be followed by Republika Srpska and norhtern Epirus in south Albania where the greeks would like independece from albanian rule. Funny how you albanians always forget about these territories when you speak about secession.

icj1

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

Absolutely correct... for them, Presevo valley, etc...

Engineer

pre 12 godina

They should be followed by Republika Srpska and norhtern Epirus in south Albania where the greeks would like independece from albanian rule. Funny how you albanians always forget about these territories when you speak about secession.
(MikeC, 29 December 2011 18:03)

North Epirus let it come do a Referendum Mike and you will see no issue with that.

Republic Serbska as well it should not concern Albanians nothing to do with them and if they want to join Serbia why not I do not think its healthy to live like in Bosnia.

I personally think unless this things happen its hard to force this people to live together so I would say this:

Serbia gets Repubilk Serbska + Portion of North Kosovo and portion of Montenegro.

Albania + Kosovo + Portion of Macedonia and Presevo Vally

Bosnia gets a portion of Sandjak + Portion of Serbska Sebrenica and small part in north.

This wont happen in our life time but you never know.

Bob

pre 12 godina

Presevo is and remains part of Serbia.

So does Kosovo.

The referendum is to resolve a particular sticking point for the administration of the North of Kosovo.

That is all it is - even if the North of Kosovo comes back under full Belgrade control (as it should) it changes nothing else concerning Serbia's ownership of the rest of Kosovo or Presevo (or anything else).

It is not an excuse for any further wheeling or dealing from Albanians or the international community.

The wisest course of action is to accept the result of the referendum and put the North back under Serbia's control. It will probably then me much easier to keep to 1244 throughout the rest of Kosovo, and so allow the strong autonomy that is effectively the current situation. The udi claim is not functioning fully - it is under an international protectorate, in disputed territory and it does not have control of all of the territory. The udi may sustain, but it certainly is not fully established.

Radio GaGa

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

Poor misunderstood Serbia. Stupid Kosovo-Albanians: how could they have missed that being killed, expelled etc. was only Serbia's way of expressing special attention.

ivan

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

You serbs really have to decide whether to refer to Kosovar leaders as such, (leaders of the Kosovars), or terrorists that declared the self-determination in 2008.

Pick your titles, tell jeremic too since he was b*tching about not allowing (at the time) Kosovo's Foreign Minister Skender Hyseni to only be addressed (in Hague for ICJ court hearing) as a representative of the "authors of the unilateral declaration of independence".


Sincerely,

Berk.

pre 12 godina

How sweet, Serbs in Kosovo now following noone's legislation. Municipal referendums are even according Serbia's law illegal. If Belgrade does not condemn it and call it illegal then expect referenda in Albanian, Bosniak and Hungarian municipalities. Prishtina will certainly call it null and viod and on the ground Barricadistan will enjoy all tear gas sorts of NATO's disposal. Pure win-win situation for the Albanian side.

Cheers!

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
(Ruben-NYC, 29 December 2011 15:26)

don't you think that Albanians have already taken a lot of Kosovo, now its Serbian turn to take something back.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)
Yes and if the international community had not misinterpreted your goals then you would most likely have an Albanian free Kosovo now wouldn't you?

ardi asllani

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

Realistic Albanian is asking you to get on the car and come to Kosova/o and see for yourself.You can drive on any remote /mountainous ares on asphalted road, which Kosova/o never had it before. You will see high rise buildings all over Kosova/o, etc... I can go on and on forever Ivan.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Now the majority of countries that "matter" in Europe and the world recognize Kosova. "
(USA United States of Albania, 29 December 2011 15:44)

The new straw to grab for the Kosovo Albanians, this new definition: "countries that matter". Funny. But understandable if you know that the majority of the UN member countires did NOT recognize Kosovo, neither China, the biggest country in the world, Russia, Spain ... Good that they all 'don't matter', and it probably doesn't matter that Kosovo won't become an UN member, nor an EU member, doesn't even have an own phone prefix because it cannot become an ITU member, problems with greencard for car insurance came up because Kosovo is not a member, and some more things that don't matter - all fine, as long as Thaci & friends can do their 'business' in Kosovo without being bothered by the police.

Blero

pre 12 godina

MikeC,Funny how you mention Northern Epirus where 88% of population is Albanian but forgot to mention Southern Epiri (Cameria) all the way to Preveza,the size of Kosova wich until 1945 was pure Albanian.You for a reason might avoid to mention but thanks is us Albanians who dont forget and make sure we will get back that part as soon as we finish with our Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

The fight for freedom especially against an enemy which tried to exterminate is never useless, even if it takes "forever" as you state, which I don't think, btw.

Eternal resistance, only freedom!

Cheers!
(Berk., 30 December 2011 14:33)
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Nobody tried to exterminate you and you know it. Stop inventing more rubbish.
Truth is slowly coming our and more people are seeing the lies you spun them back then.
You started the conflict and now cry because Serbs fought back.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
Ruben-NYC"

They probably should. Vojvodina should follow along.
(metrod, 29 December 2011 15:49)

LOL maybe if the Albanians troll hard enough around here someone over there might get the message, though I'm real curious about Vojvodina since it's more that 75% Serb. Oh well :)

Ozzie

pre 12 godina

I find it so strange how the Serbian people try to justify war murder and deny any culpability for what happened during the yugo wars. Conspiracy this or that blah blah people died, thats no lieHow many people have died senselessly, one life is no greater than another, we are all mixed in the Balkans there is no purity, Serbia was once great during the medieval times but in the last hundred you have shown how irresponsible you are in the position of power, that power has corrupted you and there's a price for that attitude which I hope humbles you people. Serbia died in Kosovo polje, and in Kosovo you shall find you freedom amongst the peoples, Albanians are a forgiving race

icj1

pre 12 godina

The new straw to grab for the Kosovo Albanians, this new definition: "countries that matter". Funny. But understandable if you know that the majority of the UN member countires did NOT recognize Kosovo, neither China, the biggest country in the world, Russia, Spain ... Good that they all 'don't matter', and it probably doesn't matter that Kosovo won't become an UN member, nor an EU member, doesn't even have an own phone prefix because it cannot become an ITU member, problems with greencard for car insurance came up because Kosovo is not a member, and some more things that don't matter - all fine, as long as Thaci & friends can do their 'business' in Kosovo without being bothered by the police.
(Analyst, 29 December 2011 19:31)

I still don't understand though how all of those "important" things you named above would have been addressed for Kosovo Albanians under the more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence thing. Kosovo would not have been recognized by Russia, China, or Spain anyway; Kosovo would have not had its seat at the UN anyway; Kosovo would not have had its seat at the EU anyway; Kosovo would not have had its own international phone prefix anyway, etc, etc.... So, I'm not sure what your point is.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too. (Ruben-NYC, 29 December 2011 15:26)

Yes, that's what I wrote back a week ago but it was censored by the um democratic press. go figure.

the whole pol trajectory of northern kosova is a bad one as in the 90s, and w/all of their barricades, it will end badly for the common ppl. but who cares about them, esp.ly when greater-serbian politik is at stake.

as for bosnia, i am (not) sorry to very strongly disagree with some of the posters here. there is nothing "natural" about rs (built upon genocide) separating from bosnia, much less joining w serbia. it shows an absolute lack of understanding of history. what is it with some ppl in the balkans... there is no such things as ethnic purity, homogeneity. it is imaginary, and in (attempted) practice, extremely dangerous. anyone remember 3rd reich, ww2... come on, ppl, we can do better than that.

as long as this push for ethnic "purity" continues, there will never be peace or progress, i can promise you.

ciao. roberto frisco

Irrelevant

pre 12 godina

Is Kosovo UDI legal under Serbian law?
(aaayyy, 29 December 2011 23:37)
Irrelevant question, since the enactment of Resolution 1244 Kosovo was not under Serbian law. The only laws recognized by 1244 are those that first UNMIK enacted temporarily and then those that were drafted by the elected officials of Kosovo through their mandate of 1244.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Nobody tried to exterminate you and you know it. Stop inventing more rubbish.
(Peggy, 30 December 2011 15:31)

I think Peggy is correct here. The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.

Ozzie

pre 12 godina

Peggy
A day shall come in the future when the Serbs apologize to the victims in kosovo and the ex yugo countries vote that in your constitution no different to other countries who did similar things. That's the truth.

Stop being a jerk, Berk

pre 12 godina

Prishtina will certainly call it null and viod and on the ground Barricadistan will enjoy all tear gas sorts of NATO's disposal. Pure win-win situation for the Albanian side.

Cheers!
(Berk., 29 December 2011 19:04)

How will Pristina nullifying the results be a win for them? They have no authority in the north. You admitted it youtself with your continued wish of violence against ordinary people by NATO. Is aggression the only thing you wish for?

icj1

pre 12 godina

Is Kosovo UDI legal under Serbian law?
(aaayyy, 29 December 2011 23:37)

I would say Kosovo's UDI is illegal under Serbian Law. But, of course, nobody appointed me to be the competent entity to provide the opinion on the matter. A Serbian court has to decide on the matter if anybody brings that to the Serbian judiciary.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The wisest course of action is to accept the result of the referendum and put the North back under Serbia's control.
(Bob, 29 December 2011 18:04)

But the North is already under Serbia, because Kosovo is Serbia, isn't it ?

Berk.

pre 12 godina

But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

The fight for freedom especially against an enemy which tried to exterminate is never useless, even if it takes "forever" as you state, which I don't think, btw.

Eternal resistance, only freedom!

Cheers!

icj1

pre 12 godina

How will Pristina nullifying the results be a win for them? They have no authority in the north.
(Stop being a jerk, Berk, 30 December 2011 18:34)

so, what's the referendum needed about if you know the answer already ?!

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Albanians are a forgiving race
(Ozzie, 31 December 2011 02:49)
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Ha ha ha hahahahaha.

That was really good. Can you tell us another?
And I thought you guys were only good at selling pumpkin seeds.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.
(icj1, 30 December 2011 16:56)
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And I thought that Jews make best comedians.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.
(icj1, 30 December 2011 16:56)
===…==

And I thought that Jews make best comedians.
(Peggy, 2 January 2012 14:32)

Excactly dear - it's the Russians and Chinese and others who set up the courts which said the above.

winston

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?

USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

The difference my dear Winston is that a "few years back" Kosovar ALbanians SUCCESSFULLY held a referendum and voted for independence. Now the majority of countries that "matter" in Europe and the world recognize Kosova. Lets see how well another poorly thought out stunt turns out for the northern Serbs. The Kosovar Serbs masters in Belgrade don't even support them. What makes you think ANY country other than the 68,000 Serbs of Northern Kosova will recognize this so-called referendum? Serbs once again spinning their wheels in the sand!

Bob

pre 12 godina

Presevo is and remains part of Serbia.

So does Kosovo.

The referendum is to resolve a particular sticking point for the administration of the North of Kosovo.

That is all it is - even if the North of Kosovo comes back under full Belgrade control (as it should) it changes nothing else concerning Serbia's ownership of the rest of Kosovo or Presevo (or anything else).

It is not an excuse for any further wheeling or dealing from Albanians or the international community.

The wisest course of action is to accept the result of the referendum and put the North back under Serbia's control. It will probably then me much easier to keep to 1244 throughout the rest of Kosovo, and so allow the strong autonomy that is effectively the current situation. The udi claim is not functioning fully - it is under an international protectorate, in disputed territory and it does not have control of all of the territory. The udi may sustain, but it certainly is not fully established.

metrod

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
Ruben-NYC"

They probably should. Vojvodina should follow along.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
(Ruben-NYC, 29 December 2011 15:26)

don't you think that Albanians have already taken a lot of Kosovo, now its Serbian turn to take something back.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too."

Ruben-NYC

They should be followed by Republika Srpska and norhtern Epirus in south Albania where the greeks would like independece from albanian rule. Funny how you albanians always forget about these territories when you speak about secession.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

You serbs really have to decide whether to refer to Kosovar leaders as such, (leaders of the Kosovars), or terrorists that declared the self-determination in 2008.

Pick your titles, tell jeremic too since he was b*tching about not allowing (at the time) Kosovo's Foreign Minister Skender Hyseni to only be addressed (in Hague for ICJ court hearing) as a representative of the "authors of the unilateral declaration of independence".


Sincerely,

Berk.

pre 12 godina

How sweet, Serbs in Kosovo now following noone's legislation. Municipal referendums are even according Serbia's law illegal. If Belgrade does not condemn it and call it illegal then expect referenda in Albanian, Bosniak and Hungarian municipalities. Prishtina will certainly call it null and viod and on the ground Barricadistan will enjoy all tear gas sorts of NATO's disposal. Pure win-win situation for the Albanian side.

Cheers!

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Now the majority of countries that "matter" in Europe and the world recognize Kosova. "
(USA United States of Albania, 29 December 2011 15:44)

The new straw to grab for the Kosovo Albanians, this new definition: "countries that matter". Funny. But understandable if you know that the majority of the UN member countires did NOT recognize Kosovo, neither China, the biggest country in the world, Russia, Spain ... Good that they all 'don't matter', and it probably doesn't matter that Kosovo won't become an UN member, nor an EU member, doesn't even have an own phone prefix because it cannot become an ITU member, problems with greencard for car insurance came up because Kosovo is not a member, and some more things that don't matter - all fine, as long as Thaci & friends can do their 'business' in Kosovo without being bothered by the police.

icj1

pre 12 godina

and what would a resolution be for you, Avni, giving into all of Pristina's demands? Get real - people have a right to say who they want to be governed by. Didn't the Albanians do that a few years back?
(winston, 29 December 2011 15:02)

Absolutely correct... for them, Presevo valley, etc...

ivan

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too. (Ruben-NYC, 29 December 2011 15:26)

Yes, that's what I wrote back a week ago but it was censored by the um democratic press. go figure.

the whole pol trajectory of northern kosova is a bad one as in the 90s, and w/all of their barricades, it will end badly for the common ppl. but who cares about them, esp.ly when greater-serbian politik is at stake.

as for bosnia, i am (not) sorry to very strongly disagree with some of the posters here. there is nothing "natural" about rs (built upon genocide) separating from bosnia, much less joining w serbia. it shows an absolute lack of understanding of history. what is it with some ppl in the balkans... there is no such things as ethnic purity, homogeneity. it is imaginary, and in (attempted) practice, extremely dangerous. anyone remember 3rd reich, ww2... come on, ppl, we can do better than that.

as long as this push for ethnic "purity" continues, there will never be peace or progress, i can promise you.

ciao. roberto frisco

LMAO

pre 12 godina

And who knew that all this time when they were saying lets keep things stirred up in the north to make life miserable for Kosovo and the internationals that it would end up coming back to bite them where they sit.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

They should be followed by Republika Srpska and norhtern Epirus in south Albania where the greeks would like independece from albanian rule. Funny how you albanians always forget about these territories when you speak about secession.
(MikeC, 29 December 2011 18:03)

North Epirus let it come do a Referendum Mike and you will see no issue with that.

Republic Serbska as well it should not concern Albanians nothing to do with them and if they want to join Serbia why not I do not think its healthy to live like in Bosnia.

I personally think unless this things happen its hard to force this people to live together so I would say this:

Serbia gets Repubilk Serbska + Portion of North Kosovo and portion of Montenegro.

Albania + Kosovo + Portion of Macedonia and Presevo Vally

Bosnia gets a portion of Sandjak + Portion of Serbska Sebrenica and small part in north.

This wont happen in our life time but you never know.

Berk.

pre 12 godina

But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

The fight for freedom especially against an enemy which tried to exterminate is never useless, even if it takes "forever" as you state, which I don't think, btw.

Eternal resistance, only freedom!

Cheers!

Peggy

pre 12 godina

The fight for freedom especially against an enemy which tried to exterminate is never useless, even if it takes "forever" as you state, which I don't think, btw.

Eternal resistance, only freedom!

Cheers!
(Berk., 30 December 2011 14:33)
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Nobody tried to exterminate you and you know it. Stop inventing more rubbish.
Truth is slowly coming our and more people are seeing the lies you spun them back then.
You started the conflict and now cry because Serbs fought back.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Nobody tried to exterminate you and you know it. Stop inventing more rubbish.
(Peggy, 30 December 2011 15:31)

I think Peggy is correct here. The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"Hum, I wonder if people in Presevo Valley and in Sandjak will have their referendums too.
Ruben-NYC"

They probably should. Vojvodina should follow along.
(metrod, 29 December 2011 15:49)

LOL maybe if the Albanians troll hard enough around here someone over there might get the message, though I'm real curious about Vojvodina since it's more that 75% Serb. Oh well :)

icj1

pre 12 godina

The new straw to grab for the Kosovo Albanians, this new definition: "countries that matter". Funny. But understandable if you know that the majority of the UN member countires did NOT recognize Kosovo, neither China, the biggest country in the world, Russia, Spain ... Good that they all 'don't matter', and it probably doesn't matter that Kosovo won't become an UN member, nor an EU member, doesn't even have an own phone prefix because it cannot become an ITU member, problems with greencard for car insurance came up because Kosovo is not a member, and some more things that don't matter - all fine, as long as Thaci & friends can do their 'business' in Kosovo without being bothered by the police.
(Analyst, 29 December 2011 19:31)

I still don't understand though how all of those "important" things you named above would have been addressed for Kosovo Albanians under the more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence thing. Kosovo would not have been recognized by Russia, China, or Spain anyway; Kosovo would have not had its seat at the UN anyway; Kosovo would not have had its seat at the EU anyway; Kosovo would not have had its own international phone prefix anyway, etc, etc.... So, I'm not sure what your point is.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Is Kosovo UDI legal under Serbian law?
(aaayyy, 29 December 2011 23:37)

I would say Kosovo's UDI is illegal under Serbian Law. But, of course, nobody appointed me to be the competent entity to provide the opinion on the matter. A Serbian court has to decide on the matter if anybody brings that to the Serbian judiciary.

Blero

pre 12 godina

MikeC,Funny how you mention Northern Epirus where 88% of population is Albanian but forgot to mention Southern Epiri (Cameria) all the way to Preveza,the size of Kosova wich until 1945 was pure Albanian.You for a reason might avoid to mention but thanks is us Albanians who dont forget and make sure we will get back that part as soon as we finish with our Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley.

Irrelevant

pre 12 godina

Is Kosovo UDI legal under Serbian law?
(aaayyy, 29 December 2011 23:37)
Irrelevant question, since the enactment of Resolution 1244 Kosovo was not under Serbian law. The only laws recognized by 1244 are those that first UNMIK enacted temporarily and then those that were drafted by the elected officials of Kosovo through their mandate of 1244.

ardi asllani

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

Realistic Albanian is asking you to get on the car and come to Kosova/o and see for yourself.You can drive on any remote /mountainous ares on asphalted road, which Kosova/o never had it before. You will see high rise buildings all over Kosova/o, etc... I can go on and on forever Ivan.

Radio GaGa

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)

Poor misunderstood Serbia. Stupid Kosovo-Albanians: how could they have missed that being killed, expelled etc. was only Serbia's way of expressing special attention.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The wisest course of action is to accept the result of the referendum and put the North back under Serbia's control.
(Bob, 29 December 2011 18:04)

But the North is already under Serbia, because Kosovo is Serbia, isn't it ?

Stop being a jerk, Berk

pre 12 godina

Prishtina will certainly call it null and viod and on the ground Barricadistan will enjoy all tear gas sorts of NATO's disposal. Pure win-win situation for the Albanian side.

Cheers!
(Berk., 29 December 2011 19:04)

How will Pristina nullifying the results be a win for them? They have no authority in the north. You admitted it youtself with your continued wish of violence against ordinary people by NATO. Is aggression the only thing you wish for?

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Realistic albanians will all admit that things are worse than ever since the illegal declaration of independence. All of this is so stupid because serbia only seeked to have coontrol over operations in its territory. Never did they want to expel albanians from kosovo. But instead of accepting that in 99 now we have a conflict that will last forever.
(ivan, 29 December 2011 19:01)
Yes and if the international community had not misinterpreted your goals then you would most likely have an Albanian free Kosovo now wouldn't you?

Ozzie

pre 12 godina

Peggy
A day shall come in the future when the Serbs apologize to the victims in kosovo and the ex yugo countries vote that in your constitution no different to other countries who did similar things. That's the truth.

Ozzie

pre 12 godina

I find it so strange how the Serbian people try to justify war murder and deny any culpability for what happened during the yugo wars. Conspiracy this or that blah blah people died, thats no lieHow many people have died senselessly, one life is no greater than another, we are all mixed in the Balkans there is no purity, Serbia was once great during the medieval times but in the last hundred you have shown how irresponsible you are in the position of power, that power has corrupted you and there's a price for that attitude which I hope humbles you people. Serbia died in Kosovo polje, and in Kosovo you shall find you freedom amongst the peoples, Albanians are a forgiving race

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Albanians are a forgiving race
(Ozzie, 31 December 2011 02:49)
==============================

Ha ha ha hahahahaha.

That was really good. Can you tell us another?
And I thought you guys were only good at selling pumpkin seeds.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.
(icj1, 30 December 2011 16:56)
========================

And I thought that Jews make best comedians.

icj1

pre 12 godina

How will Pristina nullifying the results be a win for them? They have no authority in the north.
(Stop being a jerk, Berk, 30 December 2011 18:34)

so, what's the referendum needed about if you know the answer already ?!

icj1

pre 12 godina

The Serbian army did not try to exterminate Albanians in Kosovo; the Serbian army just forced 700k+ to leave Kosovo because they were all criminals. They should be grateful they they were just forced to leave Kosovo - usually criminals are locked up in prison. But Serbs were kindhearted and Albanians took advantage of that and came back.
(icj1, 30 December 2011 16:56)
===…==

And I thought that Jews make best comedians.
(Peggy, 2 January 2012 14:32)

Excactly dear - it's the Russians and Chinese and others who set up the courts which said the above.