UNSC debates organ trade draft

This is so incredibly pathetic - that any UNSC member nation would not be eager to find out the truth as to what was actually done by the KLA during the war, and if these horrific allegations are indeed true. Why would there even be a debate? Are some countries not eager to find the truth? Are they afraid it (the truth) will also expose them as accomplices, or bystanders that knew, but did nothing? I cannot help but feel, that if anyone (nation) tries to control and manipulate these investigations regarding KLA organ-harvesting, then they presenting themselves as suspicious also - and they too should be investigated as to why they would like this matter to just disappear.

'Western countries in the UNSC believe only EULEX should be in charge of an investigation into the allegations made in Council of Europe Rapporteur Dick Marty's report. Belgrade, on the other hand, is advocating an independent investigation under a UN mandate, as the crimes mentioned in the report are not contained to Kosovo alone.'

What are trying to hide Germany/US?? Why do you want some implanted stooge from the EU to run this investigation instead of an independent UN mandated observer?? It's very, very obvious what is going on here. The cover up of horrible unspeakable war crimes by the imperialist war criminals.

This is a lost cause. How can this happen while Serbia hides its war criminals?
(Avni, 23 December 2011 14:06)

And while your Albanians' sick war criminals are holding political office. You people are a disgrace.

Once again NO country is trying to prevent an investigation but to stop the politicization of the matter by Serbia/Russia. Initially Marty said Eulex should investigate, Serbia said Eulex should invesitigate, the EP said Eulex should investigate. However, when both Kosovo and Albania both said they would cooperate with EULEX in their investigation. Serbia thinks that enough publicity has not been generated and it should be done by the UN. If you look at 1 year ago Serbia was the one calling for the investigation not to be publicized and should be conducted by Eulex as reported by B92.
It makes one think just the opposite that Serbia knows nothing will be uncovered and is looking at a way to point fingers and claim the investigation was somehow blocked!
(a New Day, 23 December 2011 14:18)

To New Day/K.Albos,

Every time this story poops up, Albanians run to B-92 to protect their goverment that kidnapped/raped/tortured and murdered innocent serbian families and all those others that did not support Thaci and his followers. You albos must be either deluded or playing stupid to think that KLA did not have anything to do with illigal organ trafficing that has been going on for the past 13 years, both in Kosovo and Albania.
I can't imagine the horrors and terror that these innocent civilians went through before they were murdered for their organs. The entire world knows that Thaci did it....plenty of evidence....wiki leaks plus all the British/French/Italian/Greek?russian intelligence reports...it's all over online.
Thaci did it and will face the consequences sooner or later....those that support him deserve the same kind of death sentence times a 1000....You stole serbian land, chopped up remaining serbs that lived there and now you are hoping that Germany/NATO/EU will last forever...nothing last forever....A dark cloud is coming to Kosovo again...Russia is pissed and serbs are looking for vengance...Since K. Albanian people (not everyone)support Thaci then your faith together with his is going to be sealed very soon.....

Timber Wolf

I don't know why Albanians and their "friends" / "co-conspirators" cannot understand the SIMPLE fact that EULEX cannot operate outside of Kosovo. They have no authority. Not only that but they have proven time and again that they cannot protect witnesses. Dozens have already mysteriously died/ disapeered, many more received threats. EU simply does not have the resources or authority to fully investigate this. Many EULEX countries also participated, financed, and supported the KLA and its leaders. So its very SAFE to assume that those countries would not want the truth to come out just to cover their own behinds. If there is nothing to uncover, then why all the deaths??? You know there is an old saying... "Where there's smoke, there's fire". I think that if a proper investigation does go through... It wont be witnesses being the ones getting into "accidents", but ex KLA leaders with "information".

Goodluck, and Godspeed to the investigators and those seeking the truth. Whatever that may be.

Haven't there already been 2 separate investigations into this and neither found anything? Let's get it over with, get a 3rd one, a 4th one, a 5th one...but if the previous 2 found nothing, I do not see how another one will. Also, what is wrong with EULEX running the inquiry? Why is Russia afraid of that? Makes no sense to me. Dick Marty has been asked to provide the proof, why on Earth does he not give it? Makes no sense. I'm now assuming senior members of the EU and The Hague have seen those facts that Marty is privy to, why are they being so circumspect in asking for an immediate arrest of those accused of this heinous crime? Its the only way to get the ball rolling on this.
(Shpetim, 23 December 2011 12:41)

They did find evidence. EU destroyed the evidence.

What don't you Albanians understand about the legal process. Why would they show proof when that opens the door to a cover-up before a full fledged investigation is under way. And obviously the witnesses aren't protected. And EULEX can't do anything in Albania. Albania also needs to be investigated. By hiding behind "no UN to investigate" you albos are only proving more and more that you have something to hide.

What don't you Albanians understand about the legal process. Why would they show proof when that opens the door to a cover-up before a full fledged investigation is under way. And obviously the witnesses aren't protected. And EULEX can't do anything in Albania. Albania also needs to be investigated. By hiding behind "no UN to investigate" you albos are only proving more and more that you have something to hide.
(Steve B., 23 December 2011 15:40

Even UN to investigate in Albania it needs permission from Albania to enter, So if they are giving permission to EULEX do not understand the issue. Why is Serbia applying to Join EU but does not trust Eulex?

winston, 23 December 2011 12:19
Once again NO country is trying to prevent an investigation but to stop the politicization of the matter by Serbia/Russia. Initially Marty said Eulex should investigate, Serbia said Eulex should invesitigate, the EP said Eulex should investigate. However, when both Kosovo and Albania both said they would cooperate with EULEX in their investigation. Serbia thinks that enough publicity has not been generated and it should be done by the UN. If you look at 1 year ago Serbia was the one calling for the investigation not to be publicized and should be conducted by Eulex as reported by B92.
It makes one think just the opposite that Serbia knows nothing will be uncovered and is looking at a way to point fingers and claim the investigation was somehow blocked!

You are wrong, New Day, Serbia and Russia do not trust Eulex, that is the problem, and you know it. Eulex has shown itself to be an Pristina enforcer, so why in the world would Serbia, or Russia, trust them. They (Eulex) are the EU, and the EU wants to impose total control of KiM by Pristina. Have you not been reading gthe news, and what Frau Merkel is demanding? You are not that stupid, so please don't play to be. Eulex is NOT status neutral, it is promoting Pristina's EU agenda. So why on earth would the Serbs trust them in this organ-harvesting by the KLA investigation? Do you really think that the EU and Eulex would not be partial to the Albanians? Be honest.
(PapaJohn, 23 December 2011 17:24)
This is not about status, has nothing to do with status. If Serbia does not trust the EU it needs to rethink its desires to join. It has nothing to do with not trusting Eulex it is keeping the subject in the media nothing more nothing else. Even finding evidence tha it happened will not effect status so if you are pinning your hopes on that you have no hope. Serbia does not believe there will ever be anything come of an investigation so they want to build on the hype. But it is of no consequence you are not going to have the very leaders of Eulex to say that Eulex is incapable, or I would say that will happen when Russia asks an outside agency to investigate the allegations of election fraud.

Haven't there already been 2 separate investigations into this and neither found anything? Let's get it over with, get a 3rd one, a 4th one, a 5th one...but if the previous 2 found nothing, I do not see how another one will. Also, what is wrong with EULEX running the inquiry? Why is Russia afraid of that? Makes no sense to me. Dick Marty has been asked to provide the proof, why on Earth does he not give it? Makes no sense. I'm now assuming senior members of the EU and The Hague have seen those facts that Marty is privy to, why are they being so circumspect in asking for an immediate arrest of those accused of this heinous crime? Its the only way to get the ball rolling on this.

This is a lost cause. How can this happen while Serbia hides its war criminals?

You are wrong, New Day, Serbia and Russia do not trust Eulex, that is the problem, and you know it. Eulex has shown itself to be an Pristina enforcer, so why in the world would Serbia, or Russia, trust them. They (Eulex) are the EU, and the EU wants to impose total control of KiM by Pristina. Have you not been reading gthe news, and what Frau Merkel is demanding? You are not that stupid, so please don't play to be. Eulex is NOT status neutral, it is promoting Pristina's EU agenda. So why on earth would the Serbs trust them in this organ-harvesting by the KLA investigation? Do you really think that the EU and Eulex would not be partial to the Albanians? Be honest.

This has little to do with serbia's trust or lack there of in eulex. It is more of an issue that the un (the truest form of world governing body) has 3 of it petmanent security council member who wish to use 'their-minded' subsets of un nations to act as a policing force. Consider why NATO intervienes, and not a un comprised police force, or why eulex should police a non eu region when one of the purposes of the un is exactly that.
Is it perhaps that some of the plans and ideas brought forth by a certain trio of unsc permanents would not be supported by all (or democratic majority of nations)? By shrinking the pool of nations to those that are your friends then you can easily push through your initiatives and ideas.
This just shows the nature of international intentions.

But to be fair, the other two permanent members are equally (just diametrically opposed most of time) twisting things towards their own interests.

If some nations wish to neuter the un's role, then what's the point of pretending any longer.
Perhaps it's just a way to keep the pee-on'd thinking that they still have a voice, and once their nation has been cleansed of all of their wealth they'll be shown how little they actually matter and what modern twisted democracy means.

It's very, very obvious what is going on here.
(Dragan, 23 December 2011 13:57)

I agree... what the investigation needed for then since everything is obvious ?!

A dark cloud is coming to Kosovo again...Russia is pissed and serbs are looking for vengance...Since K. Albanian people (not everyone)support Thaci then your faith together with his is going to be sealed very soon.....

Timber Wolf
(Canadian Serb, 23 December 2011 15:58)


Logic will not convince you there was no crime committed. Not one single victim has been named, hence no crime, it's that simple. Marty, for all his bluster, didn't even conduct an investigation. Absolutely no evidence has been produced yet he wants others to hold an investigation. He points his finger at innocent people and expects others to act on his hollow accusations. It is very obvious that Marty is creating a smoke screen. Clearly, the Serbian gov't is paying him off to concoct an illusion of guilt for the Kosova Albanians so as to try and reverse their independence. This is just another dirty trick on the part of the Serbs, similar to the Martinovic case in 1985.

"He points his finger at innocent people and expects others to act on his hollow accusations. It is very obvious that Marty is creating a smoke screen. Clearly, the Serbian gov't is paying him off to concoct an illusion of guilt for the Kosova Albanians so as to try and reverse their independence.
(The Count of Kosova, 24 December 2011 05:45)

Yes, and Carla Del Ponte who came up first with these allegations is famous for being a Serb-friend, and she was payed by Serbia, too, right? How delusional must some Kosovo Albanians be not to recognize that their leaders Thaci, Haradinaj and whatever other names might be are not any better than Milosevic, Mladic, Gotovina and all the other 'gentlemen' who spend their time in The Hague.

How delusional must some Kosovo Albanians be not to recognize that their leaders Thaci, Haradinaj and whatever other names might be are not any better than Milosevic, Mladic, Gotovina and all the other 'gentlemen' who spend their time in The Hague.
(Analyst, 24 December 2011 13:56)

You are correct about Haradinaj, but not about Thaci. There was an ICTY indictement against Haradinaj, Milosevic, Mladic, Gotovina, etc, but there has never been an indictement against Thaci. So, Thaci, may or may not be an angel, but certainly is better than those people.

Haven't there already been 2 separate investigations into this and neither found anything? Let's get it over with, get a 3rd one, a 4th one, a 5th one...but if the previous 2 found nothing, I do not see how another one will. Also, what is wrong with EULEX running the inquiry? Why is Russia afraid of that? Makes no sense to me. Dick Marty has been asked to provide the proof, why on Earth does he not give it? Makes no sense. I'm now assuming senior members of the EU and The Hague have seen those facts that Marty is privy to, why are they being so circumspect in asking for an immediate arrest of those accused of this heinous crime? Its the only way to get the ball rolling on this.

This is a lost cause. How can this happen while Serbia hides its war criminals?

winston, 23 December 2011 12:19
Once again NO country is trying to prevent an investigation but to stop the politicization of the matter by Serbia/Russia. Initially Marty said Eulex should investigate, Serbia said Eulex should invesitigate, the EP said Eulex should investigate. However, when both Kosovo and Albania both said they would cooperate with EULEX in their investigation. Serbia thinks that enough publicity has not been generated and it should be done by the UN. If you look at 1 year ago Serbia was the one calling for the investigation not to be publicized and should be conducted by Eulex as reported by B92.
It makes one think just the opposite that Serbia knows nothing will be uncovered and is looking at a way to point fingers and claim the investigation was somehow blocked!

What don't you Albanians understand about the legal process. Why would they show proof when that opens the door to a cover-up before a full fledged investigation is under way. And obviously the witnesses aren't protected. And EULEX can't do anything in Albania. Albania also needs to be investigated. By hiding behind "no UN to investigate" you albos are only proving more and more that you have something to hide.
(Steve B., 23 December 2011 15:40

Even UN to investigate in Albania it needs permission from Albania to enter, So if they are giving permission to EULEX do not understand the issue. Why is Serbia applying to Join EU but does not trust Eulex?

This is so incredibly pathetic - that any UNSC member nation would not be eager to find out the truth as to what was actually done by the KLA during the war, and if these horrific allegations are indeed true. Why would there even be a debate? Are some countries not eager to find the truth? Are they afraid it (the truth) will also expose them as accomplices, or bystanders that knew, but did nothing? I cannot help but feel, that if anyone (nation) tries to control and manipulate these investigations regarding KLA organ-harvesting, then they presenting themselves as suspicious also - and they too should be investigated as to why they would like this matter to just disappear.

Once again NO country is trying to prevent an investigation but to stop the politicization of the matter by Serbia/Russia. Initially Marty said Eulex should investigate, Serbia said Eulex should invesitigate, the EP said Eulex should investigate. However, when both Kosovo and Albania both said they would cooperate with EULEX in their investigation. Serbia thinks that enough publicity has not been generated and it should be done by the UN. If you look at 1 year ago Serbia was the one calling for the investigation not to be publicized and should be conducted by Eulex as reported by B92.
It makes one think just the opposite that Serbia knows nothing will be uncovered and is looking at a way to point fingers and claim the investigation was somehow blocked!
(a New Day, 23 December 2011 14:18)

To New Day/K.Albos,

Every time this story poops up, Albanians run to B-92 to protect their goverment that kidnapped/raped/tortured and murdered innocent serbian families and all those others that did not support Thaci and his followers. You albos must be either deluded or playing stupid to think that KLA did not have anything to do with illigal organ trafficing that has been going on for the past 13 years, both in Kosovo and Albania.
I can't imagine the horrors and terror that these innocent civilians went through before they were murdered for their organs. The entire world knows that Thaci did it....plenty of evidence....wiki leaks plus all the British/French/Italian/Greek?russian intelligence reports...it's all over online.
Thaci did it and will face the consequences sooner or later....those that support him deserve the same kind of death sentence times a 1000....You stole serbian land, chopped up remaining serbs that lived there and now you are hoping that Germany/NATO/EU will last forever...nothing last forever....A dark cloud is coming to Kosovo again...Russia is pissed and serbs are looking for vengance...Since K. Albanian people (not everyone)support Thaci then your faith together with his is going to be sealed very soon.....

Timber Wolf

You are wrong, New Day, Serbia and Russia do not trust Eulex, that is the problem, and you know it. Eulex has shown itself to be an Pristina enforcer, so why in the world would Serbia, or Russia, trust them. They (Eulex) are the EU, and the EU wants to impose total control of KiM by Pristina. Have you not been reading gthe news, and what Frau Merkel is demanding? You are not that stupid, so please don't play to be. Eulex is NOT status neutral, it is promoting Pristina's EU agenda. So why on earth would the Serbs trust them in this organ-harvesting by the KLA investigation? Do you really think that the EU and Eulex would not be partial to the Albanians? Be honest.
(PapaJohn, 23 December 2011 17:24)
This is not about status, has nothing to do with status. If Serbia does not trust the EU it needs to rethink its desires to join. It has nothing to do with not trusting Eulex it is keeping the subject in the media nothing more nothing else. Even finding evidence tha it happened will not effect status so if you are pinning your hopes on that you have no hope. Serbia does not believe there will ever be anything come of an investigation so they want to build on the hype. But it is of no consequence you are not going to have the very leaders of Eulex to say that Eulex is incapable, or I would say that will happen when Russia asks an outside agency to investigate the allegations of election fraud.

It's very, very obvious what is going on here.
(Dragan, 23 December 2011 13:57)

I agree... what the investigation needed for then since everything is obvious ?!

'Western countries in the UNSC believe only EULEX should be in charge of an investigation into the allegations made in Council of Europe Rapporteur Dick Marty's report. Belgrade, on the other hand, is advocating an independent investigation under a UN mandate, as the crimes mentioned in the report are not contained to Kosovo alone.'

What are trying to hide Germany/US?? Why do you want some implanted stooge from the EU to run this investigation instead of an independent UN mandated observer?? It's very, very obvious what is going on here. The cover up of horrible unspeakable war crimes by the imperialist war criminals.

A dark cloud is coming to Kosovo again...Russia is pissed and serbs are looking for vengance...Since K. Albanian people (not everyone)support Thaci then your faith together with his is going to be sealed very soon.....

Timber Wolf
(Canadian Serb, 23 December 2011 15:58)


Logic will not convince you there was no crime committed. Not one single victim has been named, hence no crime, it's that simple. Marty, for all his bluster, didn't even conduct an investigation. Absolutely no evidence has been produced yet he wants others to hold an investigation. He points his finger at innocent people and expects others to act on his hollow accusations. It is very obvious that Marty is creating a smoke screen. Clearly, the Serbian gov't is paying him off to concoct an illusion of guilt for the Kosova Albanians so as to try and reverse their independence. This is just another dirty trick on the part of the Serbs, similar to the Martinovic case in 1985.

I don't know why Albanians and their "friends" / "co-conspirators" cannot understand the SIMPLE fact that EULEX cannot operate outside of Kosovo. They have no authority. Not only that but they have proven time and again that they cannot protect witnesses. Dozens have already mysteriously died/ disapeered, many more received threats. EU simply does not have the resources or authority to fully investigate this. Many EULEX countries also participated, financed, and supported the KLA and its leaders. So its very SAFE to assume that those countries would not want the truth to come out just to cover their own behinds. If there is nothing to uncover, then why all the deaths??? You know there is an old saying... "Where there's smoke, there's fire". I think that if a proper investigation does go through... It wont be witnesses being the ones getting into "accidents", but ex KLA leaders with "information".

Goodluck, and Godspeed to the investigators and those seeking the truth. Whatever that may be.

Haven't there already been 2 separate investigations into this and neither found anything? Let's get it over with, get a 3rd one, a 4th one, a 5th one...but if the previous 2 found nothing, I do not see how another one will. Also, what is wrong with EULEX running the inquiry? Why is Russia afraid of that? Makes no sense to me. Dick Marty has been asked to provide the proof, why on Earth does he not give it? Makes no sense. I'm now assuming senior members of the EU and The Hague have seen those facts that Marty is privy to, why are they being so circumspect in asking for an immediate arrest of those accused of this heinous crime? Its the only way to get the ball rolling on this.
(Shpetim, 23 December 2011 12:41)

They did find evidence. EU destroyed the evidence.

What don't you Albanians understand about the legal process. Why would they show proof when that opens the door to a cover-up before a full fledged investigation is under way. And obviously the witnesses aren't protected. And EULEX can't do anything in Albania. Albania also needs to be investigated. By hiding behind "no UN to investigate" you albos are only proving more and more that you have something to hide.

This is a lost cause. How can this happen while Serbia hides its war criminals?
(Avni, 23 December 2011 14:06)

And while your Albanians' sick war criminals are holding political office. You people are a disgrace.

You are wrong, New Day, Serbia and Russia do not trust Eulex, that is the problem, and you know it. Eulex has shown itself to be an Pristina enforcer, so why in the world would Serbia, or Russia, trust them. They (Eulex) are the EU, and the EU wants to impose total control of KiM by Pristina. Have you not been reading gthe news, and what Frau Merkel is demanding? You are not that stupid, so please don't play to be. Eulex is NOT status neutral, it is promoting Pristina's EU agenda. So why on earth would the Serbs trust them in this organ-harvesting by the KLA investigation? Do you really think that the EU and Eulex would not be partial to the Albanians? Be honest.

This has little to do with serbia's trust or lack there of in eulex. It is more of an issue that the un (the truest form of world governing body) has 3 of it petmanent security council member who wish to use 'their-minded' subsets of un nations to act as a policing force. Consider why NATO intervienes, and not a un comprised police force, or why eulex should police a non eu region when one of the purposes of the un is exactly that.
Is it perhaps that some of the plans and ideas brought forth by a certain trio of unsc permanents would not be supported by all (or democratic majority of nations)? By shrinking the pool of nations to those that are your friends then you can easily push through your initiatives and ideas.
This just shows the nature of international intentions.

But to be fair, the other two permanent members are equally (just diametrically opposed most of time) twisting things towards their own interests.

If some nations wish to neuter the un's role, then what's the point of pretending any longer.
Perhaps it's just a way to keep the pee-on'd thinking that they still have a voice, and once their nation has been cleansed of all of their wealth they'll be shown how little they actually matter and what modern twisted democracy means.

"He points his finger at innocent people and expects others to act on his hollow accusations. It is very obvious that Marty is creating a smoke screen. Clearly, the Serbian gov't is paying him off to concoct an illusion of guilt for the Kosova Albanians so as to try and reverse their independence.
(The Count of Kosova, 24 December 2011 05:45)

Yes, and Carla Del Ponte who came up first with these allegations is famous for being a Serb-friend, and she was payed by Serbia, too, right? How delusional must some Kosovo Albanians be not to recognize that their leaders Thaci, Haradinaj and whatever other names might be are not any better than Milosevic, Mladic, Gotovina and all the other 'gentlemen' who spend their time in The Hague.

How delusional must some Kosovo Albanians be not to recognize that their leaders Thaci, Haradinaj and whatever other names might be are not any better than Milosevic, Mladic, Gotovina and all the other 'gentlemen' who spend their time in The Hague.
(Analyst, 24 December 2011 13:56)

You are correct about Haradinaj, but not about Thaci. There was an ICTY indictement against Haradinaj, Milosevic, Mladic, Gotovina, etc, but there has never been an indictement against Thaci. So, Thaci, may or may not be an angel, but certainly is better than those people.