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Thursday, 22.12.2011.

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“U.S. blocking compromise between Belgrade, Priština”

Priština will not agree to a compromise with Serbia as long as it has the U.S. support to ask for “100 percent of everything it wants”, says Gerard Gallucci.

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PJD

pre 12 godina

pro-me, yes one Albanian MP. According to the 2002 census there were 61,647 in Central Serbia and Vojvodina out of a total population of 7,498,001 or 0.82%. There you would expect 2 MPs if all these Albanians vote for the same party. Of course many would've instead voted for the mainstream parties.

Of course there are proportionally many more Serbs in Kosovo than than there are Albanians in Central Serbia and Vojvodina so there being many more MPs there isn't surprising.

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 12 godina

I'll tell you who he is; a big time looser, who could not get a descent job in the states and resorted to a UN gig at which he failed.
If he was any smart, he would have gotten a job in the states and not work for UN, which is a last resort for any failed polititian.

YaMuda

pre 12 godina

who is Gerard Gallucci? never heard about this person where in serbia he lives?
(stasi, 22 December 2011 19:23)

you not heard of google, genius? once a stasi always a stasi?

pro-me

pre 12 godina

There is at least one ethnic Albanian MP in the Serbian National Assembly. Seven ethnic minority seats in total. There is no need for reserved seats as there is no electoral threshold for minority parties or lists.
(PJD, 22 December 2011 19:13)

One?! In Kosovo you have a K-Serbian Deputy PM, K-Serbian-Ministers and MPs and Kosovo gets accused of being monoethnic.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Compromising with people who tried to murder, expel, rape, pillage and still derogotaqry refer to us as 'Albo's' is out of the question. Kosovo is already seperate from Serbia, it has its own laws & institutions, totally cut from Serbia's. It issues its own passports (accepted in the US, UK, Germany, France, Italy...Greece (believe it or not)) collects taxes and is a member of the World Bank. Issue is with pacifying the Serbs of Kosovo and letting them not that they ae Kosovars. As for Serbs in Serbia, screw them

Aleks

pre 12 godina

The americans 'helped' before in bosnia when they told Izetbegovic that they would support him even if he didn't sign up to UN's Cutilhero peace plan. Izetbegovic of course didn't sign and thus war ensued. Must the US poision everything they touch or are they simply power addicts?

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"All US and EU is asking from them is to have relations towards Kosovo as they have towards all other surrounding countries."
(besim, 22 December 2011 16:30)

That's right, but exactly that's the problem: If you like it or not, Kosovo is not a recognized and sovereign country like others.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!"

Demi

Who are you trying to scare? Be happy what you got or you will loose that too.

PJD

pre 12 godina

"How many ethnic Albanian deputy PMs, how many ethnic Albanian MPs does Serbia have? How many reserved seats in the parliament does Serbia have for etnic minorities?
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 16:45)"

There is at least one ethnic Albanian MP in the Serbian National Assembly. Seven ethnic minority seats in total. There is no need for reserved seats as there is no electoral threshold for minority parties or lists.

pss

pre 12 godina

You are aware that Northern Ireland is under the control of GB? You want Northern Kosovo to be controlled by Serbia? You want Serbian paras to create a "Bloody Sunday" on the remaining K-Albanians in the north?
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 15:51
No one supports Kosovo independence more than I do, but do you realistically believe that at this point Pristina is going to have any control over the north, they will only expend energy and resources that could be spent building a better life for the majority of Kosovo. A life that you never had and never would have under Serbian rule. There would come a day when Kosovo admission in the EU is contingent on settling the issues in the north just like Serbia is facing today.
I did not say that I fully support the idea but it is one of many that should be examined.
The Ahtisaari plan already will give broad powers and control over that region to the Serbs anyway.
And no I do not support anytype of future violence whether it be Serb on Albanian or Albanian on Serb.

george

pre 12 godina

And do you think anybody wants to live under Serbia?

koko, just ask the thousands of Croations, Roma, Montenegrin's, the list goes on. who live in Beograd alone. Serbia after all this Balkan mess continues to be the most multi-ethnic state. The world fails to acknowledge this. How multi-ethic is Kosovo......oh yeah it's not.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

“Also, Serbia cannot just renounce Kosovo. It seems that Germany and the U.S. are trying hard to impose this and this is precisely the problem,” he explained.'

Thank you for pointing this out Mr. Gallucci. For this reason, the Serbian government should expell the US and German ambassadors immediately. Actually, they should have done it a long time ago, but better late than never. I don't expect Tadic's traitors to do anything, but hopefully the next government will. There is no room for NATO war criminals on Serbian soil.
Cheers!

pro-me

pre 12 godina

How multi-ethic is Kosovo......oh yeah it's not.
(george, 22 December 2011 16:11)

How many ethnic Albanian deputy PMs, how many ethnic Albanian MPs does Serbia have? How many reserved seats in the parliament does Serbia have for etnic minorities?

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 12 godina

The problem we have here is everyone from outside poking their noses into other peoples affairs. USA, GERMANY, RUSSIA and the rest get out and let the Serbs and Albanians sort this out by themselves. You interfering buggers have problems in your own back yards so go home and sort out your own problems before you make a bigger mess on Kosovo than you already have, particularly the Americans who say they love freedom and democracy....what a joke!

The peaceful protesters in the USA cannot voice their opinions against their corrupt government without being attacked and beaten by their own police force. Freedom and democracy does not exist in America.

What can the Americans teach the people in Kosovo except aggresion and occupation. Again, let the Serbs and Albanians sort out their own differences by themselves and without interference from outside idiots who can't sort out their own problems. Merry Christmas to all!!

pro-me

pre 12 godina

But read his comments, he is not totally off base here. Kosovo with a dual sovereignty is not a badk idea. Kosovo will never control the north nor should they want to. Let it be Serbian within the state of Kosovo, let it have its own controls similar to Tadic's proposal of Ireland and northern Ireland. As you notice he says the Ahtisaari plan guarantees those rights for the Serbs--did he really say that a proSerb advocating the Ahtisaari plan.
(pss, 22 December 2011 14:20)

You are aware that Northern Ireland is under the control of GB? You want Northern Kosovo to be controlled by Serbia? You want Serbian paras to create a "Bloody Sunday" on the remaining K-Albanians in the north?

metrod

pre 12 godina

""I repeat" the West leaving you to "supervise" yourselves is the beginning of the end for the narco terrorists..."I repeat"...:)
Ari Gold"

Beware Kosovo Albanians! Ari is going to invade you with his keyboarding skills. What a scary guy he is. I repeat... Beware! Hahaha

pss

pre 12 godina

You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.
(Daniel, 22 December 2011 12:52)
There are Amercians that support Socialism, there are Americans that support Communism, there are Americans that support polygamy, child marriage, Chavez in Venezuela, Abortion, Prochoice, Gay rights, segregation, desegregation, anarchy, scientology, War in Afghanistan, protests the war in Afghanistan, etc,etc,etc. That is what makes America great people are allowed to have an opinion and can express that opinion.
Galucci is one American with his opinion, it is not the official opinion or policy of state. He should though be allowed to express his opinion because if you silence that which you disagree you run the risk of becoming a closed autocratic society similar to Russia.
But read his comments, he is not totally off base here. Kosovo with a dual sovereignty is not a badk idea. Kosovo will never control the north nor should they want to. Let it be Serbian within the state of Kosovo, let it have its own controls similar to Tadic's proposal of Ireland and northern Ireland. As you notice he says the Ahtisaari plan guarantees those rights for the Serbs--did he really say that a proSerb advocating the Ahtisaari plan.

koko

pre 12 godina

"And yes, the 'solution' imposed on Kosovo is surely not democratic because it wants to impose authority over people that do not want it - the Serbs in Kosovo. Solution: A partition, to fix the current reality on the ground, where Kosovo is partitioned. Ibar is a nice river, rivers are often used as borders ;-)
(Analyst,"

And do you think anybody wants to live under Serbia?

We can easily go with your plan but it would be you who looses more. Hungarians Bulgarians Croatians Bosnians Albanians all can do the dirty tricks of Northern Kosovo Serbs.

And all good, partition Kosovo and Serbia. Preshevo and Vojvodina are in the same reference.

Or we can use the Danube too, Slavic side and the Balkan side to differentiate, between clear cut scenarios.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Gallucci is well known on his siding with the Serbs for all those who have some knowledge of his carrier. "
(zagortenej, 22 December 2011 11:55)

Just the opposite: As a former UN envoy in Kosovo, he's a person who knows much better about the situation than any politician in the USA, most of them don't even know that Kosovo is and where it is located. He has a balanced view, and, unlike the so-called 'politicians' in Pristina, he has ideas to reach a compromise where all sides would benefit - except for the mafia clans in Kosovo who benefit from the unstable and uncertain situation.

miri

pre 12 godina

I say Russia is blocking the compromise.
If Russia removes it's veto to block Ahtisari plan , then both sides will finally come to agreement.
However Russia supporting maximalisf demand of Serbs for it's own interest makes it impossible for K-Serbs to see the compromise offered

Now I am a nobody but so is Galluci

pro-me

pre 12 godina

You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.
(Daniel, 22 December 2011 12:52)

Must it? I find it rather amusing that you are placing your hopes on characters like Gallucci.

Read for example on B92: "Belgrade daily Politika says that the report, likely to put him in Kosovo Serbs' good books, raises the issue of whether his behavior in fact led to the escalation of the crisis.
"He has not had good cooperation with UNMIK in Priština for months, and before the courthouse was taken last Friday, he was in intense consultations with the leaders of the Mitrovica Serbs. Some sources even say he indirectly encouraged them to take over the premises that have no key significance," the newspaper says."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=19&nav_id=48608

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"The free world knows only one concept of the states sovereignty: it comes from the free will of the citizens. All other solutions imposed on the free will of the citizens is not democratic thus any idea that Galluci may come to accommodate your will to impose your authority over people that do not want that is useless thus not influential in the US political elite. "
(ben, 22 December 2011 12:09)

Wow, Ben got it. So: First of all, the creation of Kosovo violated the souverignty of Serbia. And if someone refers to the 'free will of the citizens', then it's clear that not a single Serb in the North is willing to livin under corrupt and discriminating Albanian rule. And yes, the 'solution' imposed on Kosovo is surely not democratic because it wants to impose authority over people that do not want it - the Serbs in Kosovo. Solution: A partition, to fix the current reality on the ground, where Kosovo is partitioned. Ibar is a nice river, rivers are often used as borders ;-)

Daniel

pre 12 godina

Galluci's pro Serbian stance is a well known fact. Except for the Serbs nobody cares what this former UN Regional Representative in Mitrovica has to say. And one shouldn't forget that his only achievement was to further increase the mess in the north.
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 11:31)
You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.

ben

pre 12 godina

we all know that Galluci is on your payroll Serbia. Don't bother us with his statements. Prob an Albanian businessman with small chain of pizza shops in US is more influential than this guy, so please spear us of his worthless opinions.

The free world knows only one concept of the states sovereignty: it comes from the free will of the citizens. All other solutions imposed on the free will of the citizens is not democratic thus any idea that Galluci may come to accommodate your will to impose your authority over people that do not want that is useless thus not influential in the US political elite.

You may argue same should apply to north Kosova. Yes in principle you are right. However then this right should be extended to the east Kosova/south Serbia. If all this process becomes too complex and painful to accommodate a small town of 60,000 Serbs in north then they should accept to be minority with all their rights guaranteed. Just as much more Germans have accepted to be Polish or Czech minority, Austrians Italian minority, Hungarians Slovak minority, Albanians Serbian minority, Albanians Montenegrin minority and so one. This is how free world works this is how it will be treated any Galluci that you will pay.

winston

pre 12 godina

zagortene - I have seen some pretty ignorant comments on this site, but you win first prize. Calling this man a double agent, is down right comical. If all Albanians think like you, including those in Pristina, then there is no hope of any talk. You are in a fantasy land of your own.

winston

pre 12 godina

The compromise was and is the Ahtisaari plan. We will not offer anything more. - Demi
Who is we? Who asked you? You a pretty tough little guy or girl, sitting at your keyboard. Bring your butt up to N. KiM and talk your trash - and see what happens - tough guy/girl. Intelligent people are trying to find a solution to suite all sides, and nationalists like you just see your own side.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

But things will be more bright to Serbia and serbs when the supervised independence is over at the begining of 2013.Then Kosova will show Serbia how much sovregnity it will have in Kosova.

I repeat Serbia and serbs should be VERY happy with the Ahtisaari plan. Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!

(Demi, 22 December 2011, 11:24)

So that is when the West leaves and you are expected to govern Kosovo yourselves without Western help? I can only hope your right! Because the West leaving the Pristina criminals to occupy by themselves is the beginning of the end for you I'm afraid :)

"I repeat" the West leaving you to "supervise" yourselves is the beginning of the end for the narco terrorists..."I repeat"...:)

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Gallucci said that Serbia would be able to continue to support Kosovo Serbs through the Ahtisaari plan because practical support and cooperation with municipalities with Serb majority would not touch the political status issue.
--
It is kind of good that people are beginning to think outside the box and "dual sovereignty" sounds good, however, when we go into details it is the same old plan given yet another name. Dual sovereignty based on more than autonomy, less than independence will work.

The Ahtisaari plan is dead and the only feasible solution must reflect the reality on the ground. Any attempts to change that reality will be a destabilising factor and met with further resistance.

Serbia should not promote in any way a reason for other countries to recognise KiM. Many have already been arm twisted into doing so. The problem with the West in general is they are attempting to fit a circle into a square. A solution for KiM is certainly possible but not within their confined legal framework. They can't think outside the box and that is why KiM and BiH have all been failures. Their ego is too big and can't find it within themselves to truthfully compromise.

Demi

pre 12 godina

The compromise was and is the Ahtisaari plan. We will not offer anything more. Serbs in the north has to accept the rule of Prishtina just as albanians in Preshevo has accepted the rule of Belgrade.

Serbia should be happy about the Ahtisaari plan because things could have ended in an different way. Kosova could have had an albanian flag to start with!


But things will be more bright to Serbia and serbs when the supervised independence is over at the begining of 2013. Then Kosova will show Serbia how much sovregnity it will have in Kosova.


I repeat Serbia and serbs should be VERY happy with the Ahtisaari plan. Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!

pro-me

pre 12 godina

Galluci's pro Serbian stance is a well known fact. Except for the Serbs nobody cares what this former UN Regional Representative in Mitrovica has to say. And one shouldn't forget that his only achievement was to further increase the mess in the north.

zagortenej

pre 12 godina

Gallucci is well known on his siding with the Serbs for all those who have some knowledge of his carrier. But, there is a chance he is in fact a spy and playing a double game, he tries to make the Serbs trust him by taking their side and than becasue he is fundamentaly American, he will try and use this trust for his interest in the future.

In any case, due to this lack of credibility and character, I dont think anyone is interested to what he has to ''say'. However, i still think that he must have attended some 'wild parties' in North Mitrovica, which I am sure he now misses.

Une

pre 12 godina

The only westerner that speaks ( like a parrot) and repeats the same things is a shamed ex UN representative. He is a nobody. Galluci is trying to earn a paychekck By being a mouth piece. LOL keep paying him because he is good for a laugh once in a while

winston

pre 12 godina

The compromise was and is the Ahtisaari plan. We will not offer anything more. - Demi
Who is we? Who asked you? You a pretty tough little guy or girl, sitting at your keyboard. Bring your butt up to N. KiM and talk your trash - and see what happens - tough guy/girl. Intelligent people are trying to find a solution to suite all sides, and nationalists like you just see your own side.

Demi

pre 12 godina

The compromise was and is the Ahtisaari plan. We will not offer anything more. Serbs in the north has to accept the rule of Prishtina just as albanians in Preshevo has accepted the rule of Belgrade.

Serbia should be happy about the Ahtisaari plan because things could have ended in an different way. Kosova could have had an albanian flag to start with!


But things will be more bright to Serbia and serbs when the supervised independence is over at the begining of 2013. Then Kosova will show Serbia how much sovregnity it will have in Kosova.


I repeat Serbia and serbs should be VERY happy with the Ahtisaari plan. Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Gallucci said that Serbia would be able to continue to support Kosovo Serbs through the Ahtisaari plan because practical support and cooperation with municipalities with Serb majority would not touch the political status issue.
--
It is kind of good that people are beginning to think outside the box and "dual sovereignty" sounds good, however, when we go into details it is the same old plan given yet another name. Dual sovereignty based on more than autonomy, less than independence will work.

The Ahtisaari plan is dead and the only feasible solution must reflect the reality on the ground. Any attempts to change that reality will be a destabilising factor and met with further resistance.

Serbia should not promote in any way a reason for other countries to recognise KiM. Many have already been arm twisted into doing so. The problem with the West in general is they are attempting to fit a circle into a square. A solution for KiM is certainly possible but not within their confined legal framework. They can't think outside the box and that is why KiM and BiH have all been failures. Their ego is too big and can't find it within themselves to truthfully compromise.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

“Also, Serbia cannot just renounce Kosovo. It seems that Germany and the U.S. are trying hard to impose this and this is precisely the problem,” he explained.'

Thank you for pointing this out Mr. Gallucci. For this reason, the Serbian government should expell the US and German ambassadors immediately. Actually, they should have done it a long time ago, but better late than never. I don't expect Tadic's traitors to do anything, but hopefully the next government will. There is no room for NATO war criminals on Serbian soil.
Cheers!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Gallucci is well known on his siding with the Serbs for all those who have some knowledge of his carrier. "
(zagortenej, 22 December 2011 11:55)

Just the opposite: As a former UN envoy in Kosovo, he's a person who knows much better about the situation than any politician in the USA, most of them don't even know that Kosovo is and where it is located. He has a balanced view, and, unlike the so-called 'politicians' in Pristina, he has ideas to reach a compromise where all sides would benefit - except for the mafia clans in Kosovo who benefit from the unstable and uncertain situation.

Une

pre 12 godina

The only westerner that speaks ( like a parrot) and repeats the same things is a shamed ex UN representative. He is a nobody. Galluci is trying to earn a paychekck By being a mouth piece. LOL keep paying him because he is good for a laugh once in a while

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

But things will be more bright to Serbia and serbs when the supervised independence is over at the begining of 2013.Then Kosova will show Serbia how much sovregnity it will have in Kosova.

I repeat Serbia and serbs should be VERY happy with the Ahtisaari plan. Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!

(Demi, 22 December 2011, 11:24)

So that is when the West leaves and you are expected to govern Kosovo yourselves without Western help? I can only hope your right! Because the West leaving the Pristina criminals to occupy by themselves is the beginning of the end for you I'm afraid :)

"I repeat" the West leaving you to "supervise" yourselves is the beginning of the end for the narco terrorists..."I repeat"...:)

pro-me

pre 12 godina

Galluci's pro Serbian stance is a well known fact. Except for the Serbs nobody cares what this former UN Regional Representative in Mitrovica has to say. And one shouldn't forget that his only achievement was to further increase the mess in the north.

Aleks

pre 12 godina

The americans 'helped' before in bosnia when they told Izetbegovic that they would support him even if he didn't sign up to UN's Cutilhero peace plan. Izetbegovic of course didn't sign and thus war ensued. Must the US poision everything they touch or are they simply power addicts?

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"All US and EU is asking from them is to have relations towards Kosovo as they have towards all other surrounding countries."
(besim, 22 December 2011 16:30)

That's right, but exactly that's the problem: If you like it or not, Kosovo is not a recognized and sovereign country like others.

winston

pre 12 godina

zagortene - I have seen some pretty ignorant comments on this site, but you win first prize. Calling this man a double agent, is down right comical. If all Albanians think like you, including those in Pristina, then there is no hope of any talk. You are in a fantasy land of your own.

george

pre 12 godina

And do you think anybody wants to live under Serbia?

koko, just ask the thousands of Croations, Roma, Montenegrin's, the list goes on. who live in Beograd alone. Serbia after all this Balkan mess continues to be the most multi-ethnic state. The world fails to acknowledge this. How multi-ethic is Kosovo......oh yeah it's not.

Daniel

pre 12 godina

Galluci's pro Serbian stance is a well known fact. Except for the Serbs nobody cares what this former UN Regional Representative in Mitrovica has to say. And one shouldn't forget that his only achievement was to further increase the mess in the north.
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 11:31)
You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"The free world knows only one concept of the states sovereignty: it comes from the free will of the citizens. All other solutions imposed on the free will of the citizens is not democratic thus any idea that Galluci may come to accommodate your will to impose your authority over people that do not want that is useless thus not influential in the US political elite. "
(ben, 22 December 2011 12:09)

Wow, Ben got it. So: First of all, the creation of Kosovo violated the souverignty of Serbia. And if someone refers to the 'free will of the citizens', then it's clear that not a single Serb in the North is willing to livin under corrupt and discriminating Albanian rule. And yes, the 'solution' imposed on Kosovo is surely not democratic because it wants to impose authority over people that do not want it - the Serbs in Kosovo. Solution: A partition, to fix the current reality on the ground, where Kosovo is partitioned. Ibar is a nice river, rivers are often used as borders ;-)

metrod

pre 12 godina

""I repeat" the West leaving you to "supervise" yourselves is the beginning of the end for the narco terrorists..."I repeat"...:)
Ari Gold"

Beware Kosovo Albanians! Ari is going to invade you with his keyboarding skills. What a scary guy he is. I repeat... Beware! Hahaha

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 12 godina

The problem we have here is everyone from outside poking their noses into other peoples affairs. USA, GERMANY, RUSSIA and the rest get out and let the Serbs and Albanians sort this out by themselves. You interfering buggers have problems in your own back yards so go home and sort out your own problems before you make a bigger mess on Kosovo than you already have, particularly the Americans who say they love freedom and democracy....what a joke!

The peaceful protesters in the USA cannot voice their opinions against their corrupt government without being attacked and beaten by their own police force. Freedom and democracy does not exist in America.

What can the Americans teach the people in Kosovo except aggresion and occupation. Again, let the Serbs and Albanians sort out their own differences by themselves and without interference from outside idiots who can't sort out their own problems. Merry Christmas to all!!

ben

pre 12 godina

we all know that Galluci is on your payroll Serbia. Don't bother us with his statements. Prob an Albanian businessman with small chain of pizza shops in US is more influential than this guy, so please spear us of his worthless opinions.

The free world knows only one concept of the states sovereignty: it comes from the free will of the citizens. All other solutions imposed on the free will of the citizens is not democratic thus any idea that Galluci may come to accommodate your will to impose your authority over people that do not want that is useless thus not influential in the US political elite.

You may argue same should apply to north Kosova. Yes in principle you are right. However then this right should be extended to the east Kosova/south Serbia. If all this process becomes too complex and painful to accommodate a small town of 60,000 Serbs in north then they should accept to be minority with all their rights guaranteed. Just as much more Germans have accepted to be Polish or Czech minority, Austrians Italian minority, Hungarians Slovak minority, Albanians Serbian minority, Albanians Montenegrin minority and so one. This is how free world works this is how it will be treated any Galluci that you will pay.

miri

pre 12 godina

I say Russia is blocking the compromise.
If Russia removes it's veto to block Ahtisari plan , then both sides will finally come to agreement.
However Russia supporting maximalisf demand of Serbs for it's own interest makes it impossible for K-Serbs to see the compromise offered

Now I am a nobody but so is Galluci

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!"

Demi

Who are you trying to scare? Be happy what you got or you will loose that too.

pss

pre 12 godina

You are aware that Northern Ireland is under the control of GB? You want Northern Kosovo to be controlled by Serbia? You want Serbian paras to create a "Bloody Sunday" on the remaining K-Albanians in the north?
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 15:51
No one supports Kosovo independence more than I do, but do you realistically believe that at this point Pristina is going to have any control over the north, they will only expend energy and resources that could be spent building a better life for the majority of Kosovo. A life that you never had and never would have under Serbian rule. There would come a day when Kosovo admission in the EU is contingent on settling the issues in the north just like Serbia is facing today.
I did not say that I fully support the idea but it is one of many that should be examined.
The Ahtisaari plan already will give broad powers and control over that region to the Serbs anyway.
And no I do not support anytype of future violence whether it be Serb on Albanian or Albanian on Serb.

zagortenej

pre 12 godina

Gallucci is well known on his siding with the Serbs for all those who have some knowledge of his carrier. But, there is a chance he is in fact a spy and playing a double game, he tries to make the Serbs trust him by taking their side and than becasue he is fundamentaly American, he will try and use this trust for his interest in the future.

In any case, due to this lack of credibility and character, I dont think anyone is interested to what he has to ''say'. However, i still think that he must have attended some 'wild parties' in North Mitrovica, which I am sure he now misses.

PJD

pre 12 godina

"How many ethnic Albanian deputy PMs, how many ethnic Albanian MPs does Serbia have? How many reserved seats in the parliament does Serbia have for etnic minorities?
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 16:45)"

There is at least one ethnic Albanian MP in the Serbian National Assembly. Seven ethnic minority seats in total. There is no need for reserved seats as there is no electoral threshold for minority parties or lists.

pss

pre 12 godina

You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.
(Daniel, 22 December 2011 12:52)
There are Amercians that support Socialism, there are Americans that support Communism, there are Americans that support polygamy, child marriage, Chavez in Venezuela, Abortion, Prochoice, Gay rights, segregation, desegregation, anarchy, scientology, War in Afghanistan, protests the war in Afghanistan, etc,etc,etc. That is what makes America great people are allowed to have an opinion and can express that opinion.
Galucci is one American with his opinion, it is not the official opinion or policy of state. He should though be allowed to express his opinion because if you silence that which you disagree you run the risk of becoming a closed autocratic society similar to Russia.
But read his comments, he is not totally off base here. Kosovo with a dual sovereignty is not a badk idea. Kosovo will never control the north nor should they want to. Let it be Serbian within the state of Kosovo, let it have its own controls similar to Tadic's proposal of Ireland and northern Ireland. As you notice he says the Ahtisaari plan guarantees those rights for the Serbs--did he really say that a proSerb advocating the Ahtisaari plan.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.
(Daniel, 22 December 2011 12:52)

Must it? I find it rather amusing that you are placing your hopes on characters like Gallucci.

Read for example on B92: "Belgrade daily Politika says that the report, likely to put him in Kosovo Serbs' good books, raises the issue of whether his behavior in fact led to the escalation of the crisis.
"He has not had good cooperation with UNMIK in Priština for months, and before the courthouse was taken last Friday, he was in intense consultations with the leaders of the Mitrovica Serbs. Some sources even say he indirectly encouraged them to take over the premises that have no key significance," the newspaper says."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=19&nav_id=48608

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Compromising with people who tried to murder, expel, rape, pillage and still derogotaqry refer to us as 'Albo's' is out of the question. Kosovo is already seperate from Serbia, it has its own laws & institutions, totally cut from Serbia's. It issues its own passports (accepted in the US, UK, Germany, France, Italy...Greece (believe it or not)) collects taxes and is a member of the World Bank. Issue is with pacifying the Serbs of Kosovo and letting them not that they ae Kosovars. As for Serbs in Serbia, screw them

koko

pre 12 godina

"And yes, the 'solution' imposed on Kosovo is surely not democratic because it wants to impose authority over people that do not want it - the Serbs in Kosovo. Solution: A partition, to fix the current reality on the ground, where Kosovo is partitioned. Ibar is a nice river, rivers are often used as borders ;-)
(Analyst,"

And do you think anybody wants to live under Serbia?

We can easily go with your plan but it would be you who looses more. Hungarians Bulgarians Croatians Bosnians Albanians all can do the dirty tricks of Northern Kosovo Serbs.

And all good, partition Kosovo and Serbia. Preshevo and Vojvodina are in the same reference.

Or we can use the Danube too, Slavic side and the Balkan side to differentiate, between clear cut scenarios.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

But read his comments, he is not totally off base here. Kosovo with a dual sovereignty is not a badk idea. Kosovo will never control the north nor should they want to. Let it be Serbian within the state of Kosovo, let it have its own controls similar to Tadic's proposal of Ireland and northern Ireland. As you notice he says the Ahtisaari plan guarantees those rights for the Serbs--did he really say that a proSerb advocating the Ahtisaari plan.
(pss, 22 December 2011 14:20)

You are aware that Northern Ireland is under the control of GB? You want Northern Kosovo to be controlled by Serbia? You want Serbian paras to create a "Bloody Sunday" on the remaining K-Albanians in the north?

pro-me

pre 12 godina

There is at least one ethnic Albanian MP in the Serbian National Assembly. Seven ethnic minority seats in total. There is no need for reserved seats as there is no electoral threshold for minority parties or lists.
(PJD, 22 December 2011 19:13)

One?! In Kosovo you have a K-Serbian Deputy PM, K-Serbian-Ministers and MPs and Kosovo gets accused of being monoethnic.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

How multi-ethic is Kosovo......oh yeah it's not.
(george, 22 December 2011 16:11)

How many ethnic Albanian deputy PMs, how many ethnic Albanian MPs does Serbia have? How many reserved seats in the parliament does Serbia have for etnic minorities?

YaMuda

pre 12 godina

who is Gerard Gallucci? never heard about this person where in serbia he lives?
(stasi, 22 December 2011 19:23)

you not heard of google, genius? once a stasi always a stasi?

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 12 godina

I'll tell you who he is; a big time looser, who could not get a descent job in the states and resorted to a UN gig at which he failed.
If he was any smart, he would have gotten a job in the states and not work for UN, which is a last resort for any failed polititian.

PJD

pre 12 godina

pro-me, yes one Albanian MP. According to the 2002 census there were 61,647 in Central Serbia and Vojvodina out of a total population of 7,498,001 or 0.82%. There you would expect 2 MPs if all these Albanians vote for the same party. Of course many would've instead voted for the mainstream parties.

Of course there are proportionally many more Serbs in Kosovo than than there are Albanians in Central Serbia and Vojvodina so there being many more MPs there isn't surprising.

Demi

pre 12 godina

The compromise was and is the Ahtisaari plan. We will not offer anything more. Serbs in the north has to accept the rule of Prishtina just as albanians in Preshevo has accepted the rule of Belgrade.

Serbia should be happy about the Ahtisaari plan because things could have ended in an different way. Kosova could have had an albanian flag to start with!


But things will be more bright to Serbia and serbs when the supervised independence is over at the begining of 2013. Then Kosova will show Serbia how much sovregnity it will have in Kosova.


I repeat Serbia and serbs should be VERY happy with the Ahtisaari plan. Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!

pro-me

pre 12 godina

Galluci's pro Serbian stance is a well known fact. Except for the Serbs nobody cares what this former UN Regional Representative in Mitrovica has to say. And one shouldn't forget that his only achievement was to further increase the mess in the north.

Une

pre 12 godina

The only westerner that speaks ( like a parrot) and repeats the same things is a shamed ex UN representative. He is a nobody. Galluci is trying to earn a paychekck By being a mouth piece. LOL keep paying him because he is good for a laugh once in a while

zagortenej

pre 12 godina

Gallucci is well known on his siding with the Serbs for all those who have some knowledge of his carrier. But, there is a chance he is in fact a spy and playing a double game, he tries to make the Serbs trust him by taking their side and than becasue he is fundamentaly American, he will try and use this trust for his interest in the future.

In any case, due to this lack of credibility and character, I dont think anyone is interested to what he has to ''say'. However, i still think that he must have attended some 'wild parties' in North Mitrovica, which I am sure he now misses.

ben

pre 12 godina

we all know that Galluci is on your payroll Serbia. Don't bother us with his statements. Prob an Albanian businessman with small chain of pizza shops in US is more influential than this guy, so please spear us of his worthless opinions.

The free world knows only one concept of the states sovereignty: it comes from the free will of the citizens. All other solutions imposed on the free will of the citizens is not democratic thus any idea that Galluci may come to accommodate your will to impose your authority over people that do not want that is useless thus not influential in the US political elite.

You may argue same should apply to north Kosova. Yes in principle you are right. However then this right should be extended to the east Kosova/south Serbia. If all this process becomes too complex and painful to accommodate a small town of 60,000 Serbs in north then they should accept to be minority with all their rights guaranteed. Just as much more Germans have accepted to be Polish or Czech minority, Austrians Italian minority, Hungarians Slovak minority, Albanians Serbian minority, Albanians Montenegrin minority and so one. This is how free world works this is how it will be treated any Galluci that you will pay.

Daniel

pre 12 godina

Galluci's pro Serbian stance is a well known fact. Except for the Serbs nobody cares what this former UN Regional Representative in Mitrovica has to say. And one shouldn't forget that his only achievement was to further increase the mess in the north.
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 11:31)
You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.

pss

pre 12 godina

You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.
(Daniel, 22 December 2011 12:52)
There are Amercians that support Socialism, there are Americans that support Communism, there are Americans that support polygamy, child marriage, Chavez in Venezuela, Abortion, Prochoice, Gay rights, segregation, desegregation, anarchy, scientology, War in Afghanistan, protests the war in Afghanistan, etc,etc,etc. That is what makes America great people are allowed to have an opinion and can express that opinion.
Galucci is one American with his opinion, it is not the official opinion or policy of state. He should though be allowed to express his opinion because if you silence that which you disagree you run the risk of becoming a closed autocratic society similar to Russia.
But read his comments, he is not totally off base here. Kosovo with a dual sovereignty is not a badk idea. Kosovo will never control the north nor should they want to. Let it be Serbian within the state of Kosovo, let it have its own controls similar to Tadic's proposal of Ireland and northern Ireland. As you notice he says the Ahtisaari plan guarantees those rights for the Serbs--did he really say that a proSerb advocating the Ahtisaari plan.

miri

pre 12 godina

I say Russia is blocking the compromise.
If Russia removes it's veto to block Ahtisari plan , then both sides will finally come to agreement.
However Russia supporting maximalisf demand of Serbs for it's own interest makes it impossible for K-Serbs to see the compromise offered

Now I am a nobody but so is Galluci

koko

pre 12 godina

"And yes, the 'solution' imposed on Kosovo is surely not democratic because it wants to impose authority over people that do not want it - the Serbs in Kosovo. Solution: A partition, to fix the current reality on the ground, where Kosovo is partitioned. Ibar is a nice river, rivers are often used as borders ;-)
(Analyst,"

And do you think anybody wants to live under Serbia?

We can easily go with your plan but it would be you who looses more. Hungarians Bulgarians Croatians Bosnians Albanians all can do the dirty tricks of Northern Kosovo Serbs.

And all good, partition Kosovo and Serbia. Preshevo and Vojvodina are in the same reference.

Or we can use the Danube too, Slavic side and the Balkan side to differentiate, between clear cut scenarios.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

But read his comments, he is not totally off base here. Kosovo with a dual sovereignty is not a badk idea. Kosovo will never control the north nor should they want to. Let it be Serbian within the state of Kosovo, let it have its own controls similar to Tadic's proposal of Ireland and northern Ireland. As you notice he says the Ahtisaari plan guarantees those rights for the Serbs--did he really say that a proSerb advocating the Ahtisaari plan.
(pss, 22 December 2011 14:20)

You are aware that Northern Ireland is under the control of GB? You want Northern Kosovo to be controlled by Serbia? You want Serbian paras to create a "Bloody Sunday" on the remaining K-Albanians in the north?

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

But things will be more bright to Serbia and serbs when the supervised independence is over at the begining of 2013.Then Kosova will show Serbia how much sovregnity it will have in Kosova.

I repeat Serbia and serbs should be VERY happy with the Ahtisaari plan. Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!

(Demi, 22 December 2011, 11:24)

So that is when the West leaves and you are expected to govern Kosovo yourselves without Western help? I can only hope your right! Because the West leaving the Pristina criminals to occupy by themselves is the beginning of the end for you I'm afraid :)

"I repeat" the West leaving you to "supervise" yourselves is the beginning of the end for the narco terrorists..."I repeat"...:)

metrod

pre 12 godina

""I repeat" the West leaving you to "supervise" yourselves is the beginning of the end for the narco terrorists..."I repeat"...:)
Ari Gold"

Beware Kosovo Albanians! Ari is going to invade you with his keyboarding skills. What a scary guy he is. I repeat... Beware! Hahaha

pro-me

pre 12 godina

You see, there are Americans who do not support the Albanian Kosovo as it is structured now. That must really eat you.
(Daniel, 22 December 2011 12:52)

Must it? I find it rather amusing that you are placing your hopes on characters like Gallucci.

Read for example on B92: "Belgrade daily Politika says that the report, likely to put him in Kosovo Serbs' good books, raises the issue of whether his behavior in fact led to the escalation of the crisis.
"He has not had good cooperation with UNMIK in Priština for months, and before the courthouse was taken last Friday, he was in intense consultations with the leaders of the Mitrovica Serbs. Some sources even say he indirectly encouraged them to take over the premises that have no key significance," the newspaper says."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=19&nav_id=48608

winston

pre 12 godina

The compromise was and is the Ahtisaari plan. We will not offer anything more. - Demi
Who is we? Who asked you? You a pretty tough little guy or girl, sitting at your keyboard. Bring your butt up to N. KiM and talk your trash - and see what happens - tough guy/girl. Intelligent people are trying to find a solution to suite all sides, and nationalists like you just see your own side.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Gallucci said that Serbia would be able to continue to support Kosovo Serbs through the Ahtisaari plan because practical support and cooperation with municipalities with Serb majority would not touch the political status issue.
--
It is kind of good that people are beginning to think outside the box and "dual sovereignty" sounds good, however, when we go into details it is the same old plan given yet another name. Dual sovereignty based on more than autonomy, less than independence will work.

The Ahtisaari plan is dead and the only feasible solution must reflect the reality on the ground. Any attempts to change that reality will be a destabilising factor and met with further resistance.

Serbia should not promote in any way a reason for other countries to recognise KiM. Many have already been arm twisted into doing so. The problem with the West in general is they are attempting to fit a circle into a square. A solution for KiM is certainly possible but not within their confined legal framework. They can't think outside the box and that is why KiM and BiH have all been failures. Their ego is too big and can't find it within themselves to truthfully compromise.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"The free world knows only one concept of the states sovereignty: it comes from the free will of the citizens. All other solutions imposed on the free will of the citizens is not democratic thus any idea that Galluci may come to accommodate your will to impose your authority over people that do not want that is useless thus not influential in the US political elite. "
(ben, 22 December 2011 12:09)

Wow, Ben got it. So: First of all, the creation of Kosovo violated the souverignty of Serbia. And if someone refers to the 'free will of the citizens', then it's clear that not a single Serb in the North is willing to livin under corrupt and discriminating Albanian rule. And yes, the 'solution' imposed on Kosovo is surely not democratic because it wants to impose authority over people that do not want it - the Serbs in Kosovo. Solution: A partition, to fix the current reality on the ground, where Kosovo is partitioned. Ibar is a nice river, rivers are often used as borders ;-)

Dragan

pre 12 godina

“Also, Serbia cannot just renounce Kosovo. It seems that Germany and the U.S. are trying hard to impose this and this is precisely the problem,” he explained.'

Thank you for pointing this out Mr. Gallucci. For this reason, the Serbian government should expell the US and German ambassadors immediately. Actually, they should have done it a long time ago, but better late than never. I don't expect Tadic's traitors to do anything, but hopefully the next government will. There is no room for NATO war criminals on Serbian soil.
Cheers!

pro-me

pre 12 godina

How multi-ethic is Kosovo......oh yeah it's not.
(george, 22 December 2011 16:11)

How many ethnic Albanian deputy PMs, how many ethnic Albanian MPs does Serbia have? How many reserved seats in the parliament does Serbia have for etnic minorities?

pss

pre 12 godina

You are aware that Northern Ireland is under the control of GB? You want Northern Kosovo to be controlled by Serbia? You want Serbian paras to create a "Bloody Sunday" on the remaining K-Albanians in the north?
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 15:51
No one supports Kosovo independence more than I do, but do you realistically believe that at this point Pristina is going to have any control over the north, they will only expend energy and resources that could be spent building a better life for the majority of Kosovo. A life that you never had and never would have under Serbian rule. There would come a day when Kosovo admission in the EU is contingent on settling the issues in the north just like Serbia is facing today.
I did not say that I fully support the idea but it is one of many that should be examined.
The Ahtisaari plan already will give broad powers and control over that region to the Serbs anyway.
And no I do not support anytype of future violence whether it be Serb on Albanian or Albanian on Serb.

george

pre 12 godina

And do you think anybody wants to live under Serbia?

koko, just ask the thousands of Croations, Roma, Montenegrin's, the list goes on. who live in Beograd alone. Serbia after all this Balkan mess continues to be the most multi-ethnic state. The world fails to acknowledge this. How multi-ethic is Kosovo......oh yeah it's not.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Gallucci is well known on his siding with the Serbs for all those who have some knowledge of his carrier. "
(zagortenej, 22 December 2011 11:55)

Just the opposite: As a former UN envoy in Kosovo, he's a person who knows much better about the situation than any politician in the USA, most of them don't even know that Kosovo is and where it is located. He has a balanced view, and, unlike the so-called 'politicians' in Pristina, he has ideas to reach a compromise where all sides would benefit - except for the mafia clans in Kosovo who benefit from the unstable and uncertain situation.

winston

pre 12 godina

zagortene - I have seen some pretty ignorant comments on this site, but you win first prize. Calling this man a double agent, is down right comical. If all Albanians think like you, including those in Pristina, then there is no hope of any talk. You are in a fantasy land of your own.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Compromising with people who tried to murder, expel, rape, pillage and still derogotaqry refer to us as 'Albo's' is out of the question. Kosovo is already seperate from Serbia, it has its own laws & institutions, totally cut from Serbia's. It issues its own passports (accepted in the US, UK, Germany, France, Italy...Greece (believe it or not)) collects taxes and is a member of the World Bank. Issue is with pacifying the Serbs of Kosovo and letting them not that they ae Kosovars. As for Serbs in Serbia, screw them

PJD

pre 12 godina

"How many ethnic Albanian deputy PMs, how many ethnic Albanian MPs does Serbia have? How many reserved seats in the parliament does Serbia have for etnic minorities?
(pro-me, 22 December 2011 16:45)"

There is at least one ethnic Albanian MP in the Serbian National Assembly. Seven ethnic minority seats in total. There is no need for reserved seats as there is no electoral threshold for minority parties or lists.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

There is at least one ethnic Albanian MP in the Serbian National Assembly. Seven ethnic minority seats in total. There is no need for reserved seats as there is no electoral threshold for minority parties or lists.
(PJD, 22 December 2011 19:13)

One?! In Kosovo you have a K-Serbian Deputy PM, K-Serbian-Ministers and MPs and Kosovo gets accused of being monoethnic.

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 12 godina

The problem we have here is everyone from outside poking their noses into other peoples affairs. USA, GERMANY, RUSSIA and the rest get out and let the Serbs and Albanians sort this out by themselves. You interfering buggers have problems in your own back yards so go home and sort out your own problems before you make a bigger mess on Kosovo than you already have, particularly the Americans who say they love freedom and democracy....what a joke!

The peaceful protesters in the USA cannot voice their opinions against their corrupt government without being attacked and beaten by their own police force. Freedom and democracy does not exist in America.

What can the Americans teach the people in Kosovo except aggresion and occupation. Again, let the Serbs and Albanians sort out their own differences by themselves and without interference from outside idiots who can't sort out their own problems. Merry Christmas to all!!

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Any other solutions would not have been in favor of the serbs. Belive me!"

Demi

Who are you trying to scare? Be happy what you got or you will loose that too.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"All US and EU is asking from them is to have relations towards Kosovo as they have towards all other surrounding countries."
(besim, 22 December 2011 16:30)

That's right, but exactly that's the problem: If you like it or not, Kosovo is not a recognized and sovereign country like others.

Aleks

pre 12 godina

The americans 'helped' before in bosnia when they told Izetbegovic that they would support him even if he didn't sign up to UN's Cutilhero peace plan. Izetbegovic of course didn't sign and thus war ensued. Must the US poision everything they touch or are they simply power addicts?

YaMuda

pre 12 godina

who is Gerard Gallucci? never heard about this person where in serbia he lives?
(stasi, 22 December 2011 19:23)

you not heard of google, genius? once a stasi always a stasi?

Pls say it ain't so!!!

pre 12 godina

I'll tell you who he is; a big time looser, who could not get a descent job in the states and resorted to a UN gig at which he failed.
If he was any smart, he would have gotten a job in the states and not work for UN, which is a last resort for any failed polititian.

PJD

pre 12 godina

pro-me, yes one Albanian MP. According to the 2002 census there were 61,647 in Central Serbia and Vojvodina out of a total population of 7,498,001 or 0.82%. There you would expect 2 MPs if all these Albanians vote for the same party. Of course many would've instead voted for the mainstream parties.

Of course there are proportionally many more Serbs in Kosovo than than there are Albanians in Central Serbia and Vojvodina so there being many more MPs there isn't surprising.