LGBT population does not trust security sector

If the LGBT community in Serbia displayed even a modicum of national pride or patriotism towards the country from which they are demanding so much tolerance, they would be much more succesful. Instead they have been hijacked by far left causes in Serbia and they are repeatedly used as a tool by which to humiliate and disparage the Serbian people.

The greatest sponsour of the LGBT crusade is Hillary Clinton, and I think it would be appropriate that they begin to fight for the rights of thier group in that nation which hillary Clinton helped create-Bosnia, in particular that bastion of acceptance, the city of Sarajevo. When they achieve thier goals in Sarajevo and Kosovo, then thay can come back to Serbia and try again-perhaps they can, like thier compatriots in America do, occasionaly display the flag of the host nation during thier pride marches.

In the United States the gay community is far from being accepted, but by law they are tolerated and given appropriate protection. After they have achieved thier goals in Sarajevo and Albania and after they cease to be a political tool for the far left, maybe they can achieve in Serbia what they have achieved in America-TOLERANCE, but probably never acceptance. As far as protection is concerned, the government of Serbia refuses to protect its own citizens in Kosovo who are under the threat of genocide-it is self serving, arrogent and selfish to demand something from the Belgrade reigme that that regime refuses to grant 100,000+ of its own citizens.

-The findings of the six-month research, conducted by the Center for Public Policy Research, indicate that non-heterosexual individuals think their personal safety is threatened, even though a satisfactory legal framework for sanctioning all types of discrimination and violence against the LGBT population does exist.-

Basically that means that on paper things sound good. but on paper, things almost always sound good. democratic, rights of minorities, due process, etc. they make sure to make it LOOK good, so they can show to the world, see -- we're good.

in reality, it is a very different story. very harsh prejudice ag. lgbt ppl, in serbia, throughout former yu. i've said it many times, but it bears repeating. the recent events surrounding the banning of the march (which is what it was) were most enlightening, if we need it, which we don't. the church, the elite, the police, the politicos, the street terrorists, they all somehow work together, in tandem. and the worst of the politicos (dacic, etc) lets everyone know: push it, and the terror is unleashed.

and what is such a system called? He-llo...

so yes, there is prejudice in every society, so what? in most civilized places, lgbt ppl are pretty safe and reasonably respected (with exceptions), esp.ly in urban areas. in the balkans we have a very long way to go. in russia, belarus, iran... you can imagine.

we, those of us who believe in human rights, must work together to change this situation. i spk especially to non-gays. you -- we -- all have a responsibility not to move backwards, remain immersed in our prejudices; to not remain silent in the face of such intolerance. we need to make our voices heard!

you either work for and promote human rights, or you watch it all crumble, and then there's no room to complain. when they take away yours.

ciao! roberto frisco

Well I can just support this feeling. During a recent stay in Belgrade with gay friends we were thrown out of a Club because of "gay behaviour" by security. The security then beat one of us quite badly so that he ended up in Emergency. A friend of us then called police. They didn't even want to take statement from us, but just that we were guilty. They even made together with teh security guys fun of us.

Everytime I read stuff about the LGBT in Serbia, and the Balkan region, it reads as if this population of PEOPLE are not also citizens of their countries. Being LGBT and Serbian are NOT mutually exclusive events. They are Serbian citizens just like the rest and deserve the same protections and rights as a citizen of their country.

I live in America and disagree that we just tolerate LGBT persons. There is definitely acceptance, not just tolerance, of LGBT persons in America. It may not be in all parts, but the national view of LGBT persons is most definitely changing. Recent opinion polls show that 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage. I don't see that as just tolerating them.

Milan, I think that you made a very intelligent observation. I would add, however, that our experience in the United States has shown that "intolerance" is unfortunately a two-way street and increasingly one-way. For instance, religious institutions and observant believers are now routinely attacked and sued and even jailed by public and private litigants for adhering to Scripture( or Koran!) after false promises were made that legalizing "gay marriage" would not require same to host gay weddings or couples, place orphans with gay couples or simply teach the truth that homosexual acts are sinful. Canada is even worse. Hilary Clinton is absolutely not interested in "tolerance"; Hilary's initiative is openly a war on other peoples' cultures and faiths and a demand you conform to not the mores of the traditional United States but to its minority secular elite. To be blunt, it's about Obama's re-election. So much for principles. Protecting sexual deviates from violence or even de-criminalizing such behavior is about the only "tolerance" a healthy society can sustain. We now know that in America.

I don't trust the Serbian police forces either, most are busy sipping on coffee and watching sports. While others are meeting with shady men in restaurants to pick up bribes to do shady things.

And third, most support the hooligan lunatics who roam free and do as they please (and get paid for it!).

That is all :)

The only polls that ultimately count are elections and "gay marriage" (sic) has lost in every corner of the United States every time it is tested at an election. It even lost in California. It is legal in a small number of states where promises made to religious organizations about its effect were immediately broken. So much for tolerance.

"The legal framework is fairly good right now, but the LGBT community remembers some events that threatened their safety and that makes them sensitive," research coordinator Svetlana Đurđević-Lukić stated.

Just like the legal framework of Kosovo is fairly good. In theory, it's a multi-ethnic, democratic country, with a lot of minority rights. But the reality is quite the opposite, there are a lot of events that threatened the safety of the Serbian minority, and a police unwilling to investigate in these cases - similar to the LGBT minority in Serbia.

@ Balmer Patrick

unfortunately, we'll be seeing more of that. It's a natural concequence when some backwater starts promoting itself as "the best nightlife destination" *snicker* and people start to check out this "best nightlife destination".

more people will end up in the emergency ward.

Milan, I think that you made a very intelligent observation. I would add, however, that our experience in the United States has shown that "intolerance" is unfortunately a two-way street and increasingly one-way. For instance, religious institutions and observant believers are now routinely attacked and sued and even jailed by public and private litigants for adhering to Scripture( or Koran!) after false promises were made that legalizing "gay marriage" would not require same to host gay weddings or couples, place orphans with gay couples or simply teach the truth that homosexual acts are sinful. Canada is even worse. Hilary Clinton is absolutely not interested in "tolerance"; Hilary's initiative is openly a war on other peoples' cultures and faiths and a demand you conform to not the mores of the traditional United States but to its minority secular elite. To be blunt, it's about Obama's re-election. So much for principles. Protecting sexual deviates from violence or even de-criminalizing such behavior is about the only "tolerance" a healthy society can sustain. We now know that in America.

-The findings of the six-month research, conducted by the Center for Public Policy Research, indicate that non-heterosexual individuals think their personal safety is threatened, even though a satisfactory legal framework for sanctioning all types of discrimination and violence against the LGBT population does exist.-

Basically that means that on paper things sound good. but on paper, things almost always sound good. democratic, rights of minorities, due process, etc. they make sure to make it LOOK good, so they can show to the world, see -- we're good.

in reality, it is a very different story. very harsh prejudice ag. lgbt ppl, in serbia, throughout former yu. i've said it many times, but it bears repeating. the recent events surrounding the banning of the march (which is what it was) were most enlightening, if we need it, which we don't. the church, the elite, the police, the politicos, the street terrorists, they all somehow work together, in tandem. and the worst of the politicos (dacic, etc) lets everyone know: push it, and the terror is unleashed.

and what is such a system called? He-llo...

so yes, there is prejudice in every society, so what? in most civilized places, lgbt ppl are pretty safe and reasonably respected (with exceptions), esp.ly in urban areas. in the balkans we have a very long way to go. in russia, belarus, iran... you can imagine.

we, those of us who believe in human rights, must work together to change this situation. i spk especially to non-gays. you -- we -- all have a responsibility not to move backwards, remain immersed in our prejudices; to not remain silent in the face of such intolerance. we need to make our voices heard!

you either work for and promote human rights, or you watch it all crumble, and then there's no room to complain. when they take away yours.

ciao! roberto frisco

The only polls that ultimately count are elections and "gay marriage" (sic) has lost in every corner of the United States every time it is tested at an election. It even lost in California. It is legal in a small number of states where promises made to religious organizations about its effect were immediately broken. So much for tolerance.

If the LGBT community in Serbia displayed even a modicum of national pride or patriotism towards the country from which they are demanding so much tolerance, they would be much more succesful. Instead they have been hijacked by far left causes in Serbia and they are repeatedly used as a tool by which to humiliate and disparage the Serbian people.

The greatest sponsour of the LGBT crusade is Hillary Clinton, and I think it would be appropriate that they begin to fight for the rights of thier group in that nation which hillary Clinton helped create-Bosnia, in particular that bastion of acceptance, the city of Sarajevo. When they achieve thier goals in Sarajevo and Kosovo, then thay can come back to Serbia and try again-perhaps they can, like thier compatriots in America do, occasionaly display the flag of the host nation during thier pride marches.

In the United States the gay community is far from being accepted, but by law they are tolerated and given appropriate protection. After they have achieved thier goals in Sarajevo and Albania and after they cease to be a political tool for the far left, maybe they can achieve in Serbia what they have achieved in America-TOLERANCE, but probably never acceptance. As far as protection is concerned, the government of Serbia refuses to protect its own citizens in Kosovo who are under the threat of genocide-it is self serving, arrogent and selfish to demand something from the Belgrade reigme that that regime refuses to grant 100,000+ of its own citizens.

Everytime I read stuff about the LGBT in Serbia, and the Balkan region, it reads as if this population of PEOPLE are not also citizens of their countries. Being LGBT and Serbian are NOT mutually exclusive events. They are Serbian citizens just like the rest and deserve the same protections and rights as a citizen of their country.

I live in America and disagree that we just tolerate LGBT persons. There is definitely acceptance, not just tolerance, of LGBT persons in America. It may not be in all parts, but the national view of LGBT persons is most definitely changing. Recent opinion polls show that 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage. I don't see that as just tolerating them.

Well I can just support this feeling. During a recent stay in Belgrade with gay friends we were thrown out of a Club because of "gay behaviour" by security. The security then beat one of us quite badly so that he ended up in Emergency. A friend of us then called police. They didn't even want to take statement from us, but just that we were guilty. They even made together with teh security guys fun of us.

@ Balmer Patrick

unfortunately, we'll be seeing more of that. It's a natural concequence when some backwater starts promoting itself as "the best nightlife destination" *snicker* and people start to check out this "best nightlife destination".

more people will end up in the emergency ward.

"The legal framework is fairly good right now, but the LGBT community remembers some events that threatened their safety and that makes them sensitive," research coordinator Svetlana Đurđević-Lukić stated.

Just like the legal framework of Kosovo is fairly good. In theory, it's a multi-ethnic, democratic country, with a lot of minority rights. But the reality is quite the opposite, there are a lot of events that threatened the safety of the Serbian minority, and a police unwilling to investigate in these cases - similar to the LGBT minority in Serbia.

I don't trust the Serbian police forces either, most are busy sipping on coffee and watching sports. While others are meeting with shady men in restaurants to pick up bribes to do shady things.

And third, most support the hooligan lunatics who roam free and do as they please (and get paid for it!).

That is all :)