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Sunday, 18.12.2011.

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“Solution for Kosovo should be acceptable for everyone”

Serbian Defense Minister Dragan Šutanovac has stated that a permanent and sustainable solution needs to be found for Kosovo.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

I agree, one of the few smart things that Mr. voted-by-115% Thaci did was not to ask for UN membership - everybody knows that Russia and China would veto immediately.
(Analyst, 19 December 2011 03:50)

Like they vetoed Resolution 1244 amid Serbia's pleas to that end ?!

My dear, I'm speaking about facts, not "would", "could", "might" or "perhaps". The only facts everybody knows are that Kosovo has not applied to be a UN member and there is nothing for Russia, China or anybody else to veto. The rest is speculation.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

You mean Kosovo Albanian inhabitants’ opinion. Where is Kosovo Serb community veto right for the issue?
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

I mean what I said… “Kosovo’s inhabitants”
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No, they are not quite happy and keep asking Serbia for recognition.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

Of course, like they ask for, say, Lesotho’s recognition. Has anybody said that more recognitions are not good ? But certainly the current recognitions are better than 0 so they are happier than they were before. But, by all means, if you disagree, go and convince them not to be happy.
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Their benefit will be the quickest possible acception to the EU as part of Serbia.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

But the Serb people does not want to join EU, so the above is a moot point.
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Congratulations! you have made personal progress - you don't deny that the majority of the world countries haven't recognized Kosovo as independent state.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

What’s your question so that I can deny or not deny ?

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The majority of world countries haven't recognized Kosovo. Is it news for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:01)

Of course it's news because until last week there were only about 20 countries which stated they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. Did other 70+ countries made that statement last week ? I must have missed the news !

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:04)

Taken over ?! What does "taken over" mean ? North Kosovo is part of Kosovo in all solutions Serbia has suggested for the Kosovo's final status. North Kosovo has not declared independence from Kosovo in order to create a new province in Serbia or join another Serbia province. That's why I'm perplexed about what "take over" means !

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

And, of course; Kosovo can’t be a UN member because has not asked for it.
(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

I agree, one of the few smart things that Mr. voted-by-115% Thaci did was not to ask for UN membership - everybody knows that Russia and China would veto immediately.

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Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Ian/EU/roberto frisko,

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:04)

Slobodan Petrovic disagrees. As do the EU-Belgrade-Pristina negotiating teams. But do?... well I doubt ethnic cleansing will happen.

Anyway no-one is calling for ethnic cleansing, not even Pristina. The last thing Pristina wants is for the K-Serbs to leave Kosovo because that puts them in a bad light. The negotiating parties want to find an agreement for stability, for the people it affects; not a long standing political solution as such.

I for one don't think there is a POLITICAL agreement which can suit all parties, I think the most realistic POLITICAL solution is for Serbia to recognise Kosovo south of the river Ibar. However I'm not in favour of the partition of Kosovo on ethnic grounds, I just believe that to be the only realistic political solution.

But do I think this will happen?

Who knows?

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Berk.

pre 12 godina

Yes, it is called more than autonomy, less than independence. The alternative is to move all Albanians back to Turkey. Now who prefers the first option?
(Zoran, 18 December 2011 21:43)

Did not Rogozin suggested to remove Serbs from Kosovo and relocate them in Russia after denial to give them Russian citizenship? Option 3?

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Well, it’s Kosovo inhabitants’ opinion that counts.
(icj1)

You mean Kosovo Albanian inhabitants’ opinion. Where is Kosovo Serb community veto right for the issue?
(aaayyy)

Apparently they are happy with 80+ countries saying they no longer recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia and about 20 countries saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. But you are free to convince them they should not be happy.
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(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

No, they are not quite happy and keep asking Serbia for recognition.
(aaayyy)

I’m not sure though what your point is – that Kosovo should accept the “more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence” that Serbia graciously offered thus loosing 80+ recognitions and not becoming a UN member anyway ?! Sorry, but what would be Kosovo’s benefit to convince them accepting Serbia’s offer beside having the great privilege of being ruled by Serbia ?!
(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

Their benefit will be the quickest possible acception to the EU as part of Serbia.
(aaayyy)

Congratulations! you have made personal progress - you don't deny that the majority of the world countries haven't recognized Kosovo as independent state.

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Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"I have to say, some of the ramblings on this site are really disturbing, and disturbed. there are still ppl who lionize arkan and his little "fun" activities?!" (blah blah blah)

LOL where the Devil did anyone mention Arkan on this site except you roberto? The Serbian governmnet is talking about a sustainable solution and you're pissing and moaning about Arkan-lovers. Are you that much of a dense doofus that you can't put 2 and 2 together or are you so blinded by pushing something else that you completely forget to read the articles?

So here's a sustainable solution, and I'll take it from "ben", obviously another "dissident" of yours : "My house and land is mine not yours. Claiming to be yours is stupidity not a burden imposed by someone."

That means it's time for Albanians to cease with their idiotic, or dare I say "Milosevic-style", attempts at controlling Serbian territory in Kosovo. They ought to be more like Serbs today who want to control where they live and let others do their own thing. The aggressive warmongering is coming from Pristina with calls for takeover. Serbs are looking for a compromise. Albanins are looking for a showdown. I figured you'd listen to an Albanian because you're too dense to take anything from a Serb seriously.

Nice try once again attempting to sound intelligent but once again you're blaming others for showing up to a soccer match because you brought a basketball. That ignorance of yours makes you so entertaining around here :)

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a New Day

pre 12 godina

Zoran, amusing you think you have the ability to issue such ultimatums
Anonymous, some of what you say is true but most is far off base. A compormise is inevitable, but I think you will find that the compromise is going to be somewhere in the area of the Ahtisaari plan, which gives the enclaves broad autonomy and the ability to retain connections with Serbia. But we will not call it that for obvious reasons, it will be a similar Serbian suggested solution.
You like so many others seem to think if you can block Kosovo from moving forward they are going to accept stepping backward. Does that really make sense. Kosovo can function with the acceptance it has now. You say that once Kosovo compromises with Serbia that it will still be blocked by Russia has said what is acceptable to Serbia is acceptable to Russia and China has said a settlement through talks is what China will accept.
I think you have seen the last of the EU carrots for Serbia, up until now they have been plying Serbia with incentives up front to come around on Kosovo but now I think you are going to have to come around to actually get the rewards.
The EU does not have a unified stance on Kosovo, you want that to mean that it automatically defaults to the view of the 5. But the 22 countries are still free to treat Kosovo as a sovereign state. If you will note Kosovo has not been required to be represented at any EU function as Kosovo 1244 as you say but when it has been an issue it is Kosovo without state symbols and usually everyone without state symbols.
Even at the UNSC when both Serbian and Kosovo appear, Kosovo does not sit behind a placard that says Kosovo 1244 or UNMIK/KOSOVO. It is left without a designation and members of the UNSC which recognize it address as the FM of Kosovo, those that do not address the Foreign minister as Mr....
Any compormise agreement will allow for Kosovo's participation in all venues of the interanational arena or there will be no compromise. Simple as that. Serbia will never have to "recognize" Kosovo as an independent nation, but it will have to relinquish its claims on it.
Analyst
If you will note Montenegro has only officially been recognized by less than 75% of the countries. These matters are not a priority to a lot of countries, so to say they are supporting Serbia because they have not addressed the issue is ludicrous.
A compormise in 2006-7 would have been ideal, but if you remember Serbia was not even offering the so-called "more than autonomy, less than independence" which is a phrase thrown out there without any definition to date. That phrase never surfaced until it was declared that negotiations were futile by the UN observers the 2nd time, and it was known that UDI was inevitable.

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Anonymous

pre 12 godina

@ProudAlbanian

Do you really think Pristina can continue to sustain this frozen conflict with their demands for full out independence? Pristina will never join the UN, as long as Serbia, Russia, and China continue their staunch opposition of which they sure will. Joining the UN is something Pristina will never accomplish een if there is a compromise with Serbia because it is not a sovereign and legitimate state not recognized by 55% of the worlds coutnries including veto holders Russia and China. So UN is off the table for Pristina forever. Pristina can join the EU and it should join the EU so that every one in Kosovo can prosper, but they will have to come to a compromise solution with Serbia. This solution will not be the same talk as the old Vienna Kosovo Status talks. This solution will be an actual compromise between Serbia and the Albanians. Lets be real and totally honest here. Serbia cant join the EU without solving the Kosovo issue, but Pristina also cant join the EU without finding a solution with Serbia to its status which is strongly opposed by Serbia and 5 EU members (Spain,Romania,Slovakia,Greece,and Cyprus). Just because these coutries arent the richest EU members doesnt mean they wont get a veto. Every coutnry in the Eu has the right to veto. Look at what Holland did to Serbia for so many years over Hague Cooperation and that was just one small country in the EU, forget about the 5 EU members opposing Kosovo entering the EU as a state. Plain and simple, Kosovo will be represented under UNSC Resolution 1244, or no EU accesion. The compromise solution is probably going to be something like this. Serbia will not recognize Kosovo and preserve its state institutions in the Serbian enclaves and the administrative boundary will have a special status. Kosovo will not be asked to give up its claims that it is independent and will keep all of its "state" institutions in Albanian areas. Serbia joins the EU along with Kosovo(Under UNSCR 1244). Its pretty simple coming to this solution! Just accept what the reality currently is! Serbia controls 20% of Kosovo's territory and has its state institutions everywhere where there are Serbian enclaves in Kosovo (Northern Kosovo, Gracanica, Strpce, Novo Brdo, Ranilug, Partes, Klokot, Gorazdevac, and Velika Hoca). The reality is that Serbia will never abnolish its legitimate institutions in Kosovo. And belive me when the 200,000 Serbian IDPs from Kosovo return to their homes, Serbia will have ALOT more influence in the province. The reality also is that Albanians want to continue to run the Albanian parts of Kosovo as if they are a "sovereign state". So Serbia will not interfere in that as long as Albanians do not interfere with the Serbian Areas of Kosovo. Kosovo is also recognized by the European Union as Kosovo(Under UNSCR 1244) so that is how it should join the EU. Just accept what the reality currently is and you have your solution! Serbia maintains its institutions in Serbian Enclaves, The Administrative boundary retains its special status, and Serbia does not recognize Pristina's UDI. Kosovo continues its belief that they are an "independent state" and joins the EU under UNSCR 1244 as it is recognized by the EU. Plain and Simple! Can any Albanian please tell me any realistic way you can join the EU without coming to a compromise over Kosovo's status with Serbia and the 5 EU non-recognizers? Please enlighten me!

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

“Solution for Kosovo should be acceptable for everyone” - Sutanovac said.

The acceptable solution has been found already. As acceptable as it is in accordance with resolution 1244 where Serbia's consent was preferable but not necessary.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Ian/EU/roberto frisko,

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it.Get over it, get used to it.It's not gonna change.
(Proud Albanian, 18 December 2011 13:55)

The majority of world countries haven't recognized Kosovo. Is it news for you?

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Zoran

pre 12 godina

“Solution for Kosovo should be acceptable for everyone”
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Yes, it is called more than autonomy, less than independence. The alternative is to move all Albanians back to Turkey. Now who prefers the first option?

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rote

pre 12 godina

I don’t know why Serbia has to pay salaries to it’s FM cause every member of this cabinet believes he can make statements concerning vital matters of relations with all of the neighbors. Look though the titles of the news and you will find it true. And it is happening all the time. Is it a result of the coalition government or it’s the Serbian way of encornering the existing problems ?

Same with the EU bureaucrats when everybody who has a salary above 500 euro believes he can make statements over Kosovo. And only an idiot can try to count the contradictions in the statements they have already made. I believe most of the declarants are just PRing themselves. And they care very little of the harm they bring to the reconciliation process here.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Seems like some people are not even awake nowadays. Yes, Kosovo declared independence, but less than 50% of the world (UN member states/population) recognized it. I wouldn't be proud of that.
(Analyst, 18 December 2011 18:29)

Well, it’s Kosovo inhabitants’ opinion that counts. Apparently they are happy with 80+ countries saying they no longer recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia and about 20 countries saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. But you are free to convince them they should not be happy.
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Take South Sudan: They declared independence (of course not unilaterally) and what happened: The world recognized it, they became an UN member after one week - something Kosovo will never be with their UDI.
(Analyst, 18 December 2011 18:29)

Hmmm, South Sudan is not a good example for Kosovo to follow. It's only been recognized by 20+ countries, far less that the World, the countries which recognize Kosovo now, or the countries that recognized Kosovo 5 months after its UDI.

And, of course; Kosovo can’t be a UN member because has not asked for it.

I’m not sure though what your point is – that Kosovo should accept the “more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence” that Serbia graciously offered thus loosing 80+ recognitions and not becoming a UN member anyway ?! Sorry, but what would be Kosovo’s benefit to convince them accepting Serbia’s offer beside having the great privilege of being ruled by Serbia ?!

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roberto

pre 12 godina

-Let me tell you "the secret/key" how can Serbia join the EU club. Recognise officially and unequivocally the Kosovo independence and enter in meaningful talks with Kosovo regarding the rights of Serb minority living in Kosovo and those to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Same rights, same duties, full strict reciprocity. Both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Cheers!(EA, 18 December 2011 13:30)-

Thanks EA. yr response is so clear, precise, makes so much sense. which is why is appears so odd on a site like this. but anyway someone has to act the adult, pave the way for the future.

I have to say, some of the ramblings on this site are really disturbing, and disturbed. there are still ppl who lionize arkan and his little "fun" activities?! it is truly frightening. how do you have peace and security in the region, when you are dealing with such a mind-set, which i fear is not that of a tiny minority. it will take generations. ancient animosities, recent animosities... it will simply take generations.

but anyway, we have to forge a pragmatic path towards the future, one that is not just a repeating movie of all the ugly scenes of the past.

thanks again, EA. I appreciate each and every dissident (to this site) who has not given up, but who continues the good fight, despite what we have to face here. Cheers! stay strong, never give in, never give up.

roberto frisco

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it"
(Proud Albanian, 18 December 2011 13:55)

Seems like some people are not even awake nowadays. Yes, Kosovo declared independence, but less than 50% of the world (UN member states/population) recognized it. I wouldn't be proud of that. Take South Sudan: They declared independence (of course not unilaterally) and what happened: The world recognized it, they became an UN member after one week - something Kosovo will never be with their UDI

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Berk.

pre 12 godina

The K-Albanians want nothing less than full independence for Kosovo and the Serbs want anything but full independence for Kosovo, so what does he propose?
(Ian, UK, 18 December 2011 14:16)

Isn't this obvious? He wants turning back the time, getting everything what Serbia wants and then call a "mutually accepted" deal, so shortly, the "compromise" between yes and no, independence or no independence is what he wants. Very simple..

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ben

pre 12 godina

you are not bearing any burden.

My house and land is mine not yours. Claiming to be yours is stupidity not a burden imposed by someone.

Serbian position with regards to Kosova was perfectly well synthesized by Chrisopher Hitchens who was saying that Serbia's position is 'what is mine is mine what is not can be negotiated'.

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blow bags

pre 12 godina

Break off these meaningless "negotiations" with criminal albanians. This culture of albanianism is nothing more than a mafia run criminal society hell bent of the destruction of surrounding societies and culture. As the negotiations were forced upon Serbia by the west in order to dangle a worthless entrance into a corrupt and disfunctional imperialist German organization, it's over. Thank the power above that Serbia remains outside this group of German pawns and stool pigeons. The next phase should be the complete and systematic destruction of the albanian occupation of kosovo using any and all means necessary. Reading from the albo trolls comments of the years, seems like these criminals are game for another conflict, and perhaps we should grant them this request. Yet patience is the key..soon the imperialist armies of nato/berlin/paris will tire, budgets will be exhausted, local populations skeptical and restless. Time is on our Serbia's side.

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Mr Q

pre 12 godina

"In view of the Serbian president's call on Serbs in Kosovo not to shoot at KFOR soldiers, the minister said that "the worse case scenario is a conflict with the international community."
You mean Serbs were shooting at the NATO soldiers and not the other way round as mini Milosevic (Dacic) was saying. I am surprised with that I thought that Serbia and Serbs are modern and European!

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Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

It is ok him saying this, but what does he propose?

The K-Albanians want nothing less than full independence for Kosovo and the Serbs want anything but full independence for Kosovo, so what does he propose?

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EA

pre 12 godina

Let me tell you "the secret/key" how can Serbia join the EU club. Recognise officially and unequivocally the Kosovo independence and enter in meaningful talks with Kosovo regarding the rights of Serb minority living in Kosovo and those to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Same rights, same duties, full strict reciprocity. Both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Cheers!

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trizo

pre 12 godina

More simply put, more and more Serbian officials are selling the Serbs in Kosovo out. The EU & US are bribing Serbian officials with **EUROS** and probably promising Sutanovac some new toys, or Boris the new AUDI JA..

Money is the root of all evil.

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Proud Albanian

pre 12 godina

What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it.Get over it, get used to it.It's not gonna change.

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Proud Albanian

pre 12 godina

What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it.Get over it, get used to it.It's not gonna change.

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EA

pre 12 godina

Let me tell you "the secret/key" how can Serbia join the EU club. Recognise officially and unequivocally the Kosovo independence and enter in meaningful talks with Kosovo regarding the rights of Serb minority living in Kosovo and those to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Same rights, same duties, full strict reciprocity. Both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Cheers!

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Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

It is ok him saying this, but what does he propose?

The K-Albanians want nothing less than full independence for Kosovo and the Serbs want anything but full independence for Kosovo, so what does he propose?

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trizo

pre 12 godina

More simply put, more and more Serbian officials are selling the Serbs in Kosovo out. The EU & US are bribing Serbian officials with **EUROS** and probably promising Sutanovac some new toys, or Boris the new AUDI JA..

Money is the root of all evil.

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Anonymous

pre 12 godina

@ProudAlbanian

Do you really think Pristina can continue to sustain this frozen conflict with their demands for full out independence? Pristina will never join the UN, as long as Serbia, Russia, and China continue their staunch opposition of which they sure will. Joining the UN is something Pristina will never accomplish een if there is a compromise with Serbia because it is not a sovereign and legitimate state not recognized by 55% of the worlds coutnries including veto holders Russia and China. So UN is off the table for Pristina forever. Pristina can join the EU and it should join the EU so that every one in Kosovo can prosper, but they will have to come to a compromise solution with Serbia. This solution will not be the same talk as the old Vienna Kosovo Status talks. This solution will be an actual compromise between Serbia and the Albanians. Lets be real and totally honest here. Serbia cant join the EU without solving the Kosovo issue, but Pristina also cant join the EU without finding a solution with Serbia to its status which is strongly opposed by Serbia and 5 EU members (Spain,Romania,Slovakia,Greece,and Cyprus). Just because these coutries arent the richest EU members doesnt mean they wont get a veto. Every coutnry in the Eu has the right to veto. Look at what Holland did to Serbia for so many years over Hague Cooperation and that was just one small country in the EU, forget about the 5 EU members opposing Kosovo entering the EU as a state. Plain and simple, Kosovo will be represented under UNSC Resolution 1244, or no EU accesion. The compromise solution is probably going to be something like this. Serbia will not recognize Kosovo and preserve its state institutions in the Serbian enclaves and the administrative boundary will have a special status. Kosovo will not be asked to give up its claims that it is independent and will keep all of its "state" institutions in Albanian areas. Serbia joins the EU along with Kosovo(Under UNSCR 1244). Its pretty simple coming to this solution! Just accept what the reality currently is! Serbia controls 20% of Kosovo's territory and has its state institutions everywhere where there are Serbian enclaves in Kosovo (Northern Kosovo, Gracanica, Strpce, Novo Brdo, Ranilug, Partes, Klokot, Gorazdevac, and Velika Hoca). The reality is that Serbia will never abnolish its legitimate institutions in Kosovo. And belive me when the 200,000 Serbian IDPs from Kosovo return to their homes, Serbia will have ALOT more influence in the province. The reality also is that Albanians want to continue to run the Albanian parts of Kosovo as if they are a "sovereign state". So Serbia will not interfere in that as long as Albanians do not interfere with the Serbian Areas of Kosovo. Kosovo is also recognized by the European Union as Kosovo(Under UNSCR 1244) so that is how it should join the EU. Just accept what the reality currently is and you have your solution! Serbia maintains its institutions in Serbian Enclaves, The Administrative boundary retains its special status, and Serbia does not recognize Pristina's UDI. Kosovo continues its belief that they are an "independent state" and joins the EU under UNSCR 1244 as it is recognized by the EU. Plain and Simple! Can any Albanian please tell me any realistic way you can join the EU without coming to a compromise over Kosovo's status with Serbia and the 5 EU non-recognizers? Please enlighten me!

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it.Get over it, get used to it.It's not gonna change.
(Proud Albanian, 18 December 2011 13:55)

The majority of world countries haven't recognized Kosovo. Is it news for you?

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it"
(Proud Albanian, 18 December 2011 13:55)

Seems like some people are not even awake nowadays. Yes, Kosovo declared independence, but less than 50% of the world (UN member states/population) recognized it. I wouldn't be proud of that. Take South Sudan: They declared independence (of course not unilaterally) and what happened: The world recognized it, they became an UN member after one week - something Kosovo will never be with their UDI

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Zoran

pre 12 godina

“Solution for Kosovo should be acceptable for everyone”
--
Yes, it is called more than autonomy, less than independence. The alternative is to move all Albanians back to Turkey. Now who prefers the first option?

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blow bags

pre 12 godina

Break off these meaningless "negotiations" with criminal albanians. This culture of albanianism is nothing more than a mafia run criminal society hell bent of the destruction of surrounding societies and culture. As the negotiations were forced upon Serbia by the west in order to dangle a worthless entrance into a corrupt and disfunctional imperialist German organization, it's over. Thank the power above that Serbia remains outside this group of German pawns and stool pigeons. The next phase should be the complete and systematic destruction of the albanian occupation of kosovo using any and all means necessary. Reading from the albo trolls comments of the years, seems like these criminals are game for another conflict, and perhaps we should grant them this request. Yet patience is the key..soon the imperialist armies of nato/berlin/paris will tire, budgets will be exhausted, local populations skeptical and restless. Time is on our Serbia's side.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Ian/EU/roberto frisko,

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?

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roberto

pre 12 godina

-Let me tell you "the secret/key" how can Serbia join the EU club. Recognise officially and unequivocally the Kosovo independence and enter in meaningful talks with Kosovo regarding the rights of Serb minority living in Kosovo and those to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Same rights, same duties, full strict reciprocity. Both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Cheers!(EA, 18 December 2011 13:30)-

Thanks EA. yr response is so clear, precise, makes so much sense. which is why is appears so odd on a site like this. but anyway someone has to act the adult, pave the way for the future.

I have to say, some of the ramblings on this site are really disturbing, and disturbed. there are still ppl who lionize arkan and his little "fun" activities?! it is truly frightening. how do you have peace and security in the region, when you are dealing with such a mind-set, which i fear is not that of a tiny minority. it will take generations. ancient animosities, recent animosities... it will simply take generations.

but anyway, we have to forge a pragmatic path towards the future, one that is not just a repeating movie of all the ugly scenes of the past.

thanks again, EA. I appreciate each and every dissident (to this site) who has not given up, but who continues the good fight, despite what we have to face here. Cheers! stay strong, never give in, never give up.

roberto frisco

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rote

pre 12 godina

I don’t know why Serbia has to pay salaries to it’s FM cause every member of this cabinet believes he can make statements concerning vital matters of relations with all of the neighbors. Look though the titles of the news and you will find it true. And it is happening all the time. Is it a result of the coalition government or it’s the Serbian way of encornering the existing problems ?

Same with the EU bureaucrats when everybody who has a salary above 500 euro believes he can make statements over Kosovo. And only an idiot can try to count the contradictions in the statements they have already made. I believe most of the declarants are just PRing themselves. And they care very little of the harm they bring to the reconciliation process here.

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Berk.

pre 12 godina

The K-Albanians want nothing less than full independence for Kosovo and the Serbs want anything but full independence for Kosovo, so what does he propose?
(Ian, UK, 18 December 2011 14:16)

Isn't this obvious? He wants turning back the time, getting everything what Serbia wants and then call a "mutually accepted" deal, so shortly, the "compromise" between yes and no, independence or no independence is what he wants. Very simple..

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ben

pre 12 godina

you are not bearing any burden.

My house and land is mine not yours. Claiming to be yours is stupidity not a burden imposed by someone.

Serbian position with regards to Kosova was perfectly well synthesized by Chrisopher Hitchens who was saying that Serbia's position is 'what is mine is mine what is not can be negotiated'.

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Mr Q

pre 12 godina

"In view of the Serbian president's call on Serbs in Kosovo not to shoot at KFOR soldiers, the minister said that "the worse case scenario is a conflict with the international community."
You mean Serbs were shooting at the NATO soldiers and not the other way round as mini Milosevic (Dacic) was saying. I am surprised with that I thought that Serbia and Serbs are modern and European!

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

“Solution for Kosovo should be acceptable for everyone” - Sutanovac said.

The acceptable solution has been found already. As acceptable as it is in accordance with resolution 1244 where Serbia's consent was preferable but not necessary.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Seems like some people are not even awake nowadays. Yes, Kosovo declared independence, but less than 50% of the world (UN member states/population) recognized it. I wouldn't be proud of that.
(Analyst, 18 December 2011 18:29)

Well, it’s Kosovo inhabitants’ opinion that counts. Apparently they are happy with 80+ countries saying they no longer recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia and about 20 countries saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. But you are free to convince them they should not be happy.
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Take South Sudan: They declared independence (of course not unilaterally) and what happened: The world recognized it, they became an UN member after one week - something Kosovo will never be with their UDI.
(Analyst, 18 December 2011 18:29)

Hmmm, South Sudan is not a good example for Kosovo to follow. It's only been recognized by 20+ countries, far less that the World, the countries which recognize Kosovo now, or the countries that recognized Kosovo 5 months after its UDI.

And, of course; Kosovo can’t be a UN member because has not asked for it.

I’m not sure though what your point is – that Kosovo should accept the “more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence” that Serbia graciously offered thus loosing 80+ recognitions and not becoming a UN member anyway ?! Sorry, but what would be Kosovo’s benefit to convince them accepting Serbia’s offer beside having the great privilege of being ruled by Serbia ?!

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Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"I have to say, some of the ramblings on this site are really disturbing, and disturbed. there are still ppl who lionize arkan and his little "fun" activities?!" (blah blah blah)

LOL where the Devil did anyone mention Arkan on this site except you roberto? The Serbian governmnet is talking about a sustainable solution and you're pissing and moaning about Arkan-lovers. Are you that much of a dense doofus that you can't put 2 and 2 together or are you so blinded by pushing something else that you completely forget to read the articles?

So here's a sustainable solution, and I'll take it from "ben", obviously another "dissident" of yours : "My house and land is mine not yours. Claiming to be yours is stupidity not a burden imposed by someone."

That means it's time for Albanians to cease with their idiotic, or dare I say "Milosevic-style", attempts at controlling Serbian territory in Kosovo. They ought to be more like Serbs today who want to control where they live and let others do their own thing. The aggressive warmongering is coming from Pristina with calls for takeover. Serbs are looking for a compromise. Albanins are looking for a showdown. I figured you'd listen to an Albanian because you're too dense to take anything from a Serb seriously.

Nice try once again attempting to sound intelligent but once again you're blaming others for showing up to a soccer match because you brought a basketball. That ignorance of yours makes you so entertaining around here :)

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Berk.

pre 12 godina

Yes, it is called more than autonomy, less than independence. The alternative is to move all Albanians back to Turkey. Now who prefers the first option?
(Zoran, 18 December 2011 21:43)

Did not Rogozin suggested to remove Serbs from Kosovo and relocate them in Russia after denial to give them Russian citizenship? Option 3?

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Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Ian/EU/roberto frisko,

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:04)

Slobodan Petrovic disagrees. As do the EU-Belgrade-Pristina negotiating teams. But do?... well I doubt ethnic cleansing will happen.

Anyway no-one is calling for ethnic cleansing, not even Pristina. The last thing Pristina wants is for the K-Serbs to leave Kosovo because that puts them in a bad light. The negotiating parties want to find an agreement for stability, for the people it affects; not a long standing political solution as such.

I for one don't think there is a POLITICAL agreement which can suit all parties, I think the most realistic POLITICAL solution is for Serbia to recognise Kosovo south of the river Ibar. However I'm not in favour of the partition of Kosovo on ethnic grounds, I just believe that to be the only realistic political solution.

But do I think this will happen?

Who knows?

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:04)

Taken over ?! What does "taken over" mean ? North Kosovo is part of Kosovo in all solutions Serbia has suggested for the Kosovo's final status. North Kosovo has not declared independence from Kosovo in order to create a new province in Serbia or join another Serbia province. That's why I'm perplexed about what "take over" means !

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The majority of world countries haven't recognized Kosovo. Is it news for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:01)

Of course it's news because until last week there were only about 20 countries which stated they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. Did other 70+ countries made that statement last week ? I must have missed the news !

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Well, it’s Kosovo inhabitants’ opinion that counts.
(icj1)

You mean Kosovo Albanian inhabitants’ opinion. Where is Kosovo Serb community veto right for the issue?
(aaayyy)

Apparently they are happy with 80+ countries saying they no longer recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia and about 20 countries saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. But you are free to convince them they should not be happy.
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(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

No, they are not quite happy and keep asking Serbia for recognition.
(aaayyy)

I’m not sure though what your point is – that Kosovo should accept the “more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence” that Serbia graciously offered thus loosing 80+ recognitions and not becoming a UN member anyway ?! Sorry, but what would be Kosovo’s benefit to convince them accepting Serbia’s offer beside having the great privilege of being ruled by Serbia ?!
(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

Their benefit will be the quickest possible acception to the EU as part of Serbia.
(aaayyy)

Congratulations! you have made personal progress - you don't deny that the majority of the world countries haven't recognized Kosovo as independent state.

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a New Day

pre 12 godina

Zoran, amusing you think you have the ability to issue such ultimatums
Anonymous, some of what you say is true but most is far off base. A compormise is inevitable, but I think you will find that the compromise is going to be somewhere in the area of the Ahtisaari plan, which gives the enclaves broad autonomy and the ability to retain connections with Serbia. But we will not call it that for obvious reasons, it will be a similar Serbian suggested solution.
You like so many others seem to think if you can block Kosovo from moving forward they are going to accept stepping backward. Does that really make sense. Kosovo can function with the acceptance it has now. You say that once Kosovo compromises with Serbia that it will still be blocked by Russia has said what is acceptable to Serbia is acceptable to Russia and China has said a settlement through talks is what China will accept.
I think you have seen the last of the EU carrots for Serbia, up until now they have been plying Serbia with incentives up front to come around on Kosovo but now I think you are going to have to come around to actually get the rewards.
The EU does not have a unified stance on Kosovo, you want that to mean that it automatically defaults to the view of the 5. But the 22 countries are still free to treat Kosovo as a sovereign state. If you will note Kosovo has not been required to be represented at any EU function as Kosovo 1244 as you say but when it has been an issue it is Kosovo without state symbols and usually everyone without state symbols.
Even at the UNSC when both Serbian and Kosovo appear, Kosovo does not sit behind a placard that says Kosovo 1244 or UNMIK/KOSOVO. It is left without a designation and members of the UNSC which recognize it address as the FM of Kosovo, those that do not address the Foreign minister as Mr....
Any compormise agreement will allow for Kosovo's participation in all venues of the interanational arena or there will be no compromise. Simple as that. Serbia will never have to "recognize" Kosovo as an independent nation, but it will have to relinquish its claims on it.
Analyst
If you will note Montenegro has only officially been recognized by less than 75% of the countries. These matters are not a priority to a lot of countries, so to say they are supporting Serbia because they have not addressed the issue is ludicrous.
A compormise in 2006-7 would have been ideal, but if you remember Serbia was not even offering the so-called "more than autonomy, less than independence" which is a phrase thrown out there without any definition to date. That phrase never surfaced until it was declared that negotiations were futile by the UN observers the 2nd time, and it was known that UDI was inevitable.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

And, of course; Kosovo can’t be a UN member because has not asked for it.
(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

I agree, one of the few smart things that Mr. voted-by-115% Thaci did was not to ask for UN membership - everybody knows that Russia and China would veto immediately.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

You mean Kosovo Albanian inhabitants’ opinion. Where is Kosovo Serb community veto right for the issue?
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

I mean what I said… “Kosovo’s inhabitants”
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No, they are not quite happy and keep asking Serbia for recognition.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

Of course, like they ask for, say, Lesotho’s recognition. Has anybody said that more recognitions are not good ? But certainly the current recognitions are better than 0 so they are happier than they were before. But, by all means, if you disagree, go and convince them not to be happy.
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Their benefit will be the quickest possible acception to the EU as part of Serbia.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

But the Serb people does not want to join EU, so the above is a moot point.
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Congratulations! you have made personal progress - you don't deny that the majority of the world countries haven't recognized Kosovo as independent state.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

What’s your question so that I can deny or not deny ?

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icj1

pre 12 godina

I agree, one of the few smart things that Mr. voted-by-115% Thaci did was not to ask for UN membership - everybody knows that Russia and China would veto immediately.
(Analyst, 19 December 2011 03:50)

Like they vetoed Resolution 1244 amid Serbia's pleas to that end ?!

My dear, I'm speaking about facts, not "would", "could", "might" or "perhaps". The only facts everybody knows are that Kosovo has not applied to be a UN member and there is nothing for Russia, China or anybody else to veto. The rest is speculation.

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Proud Albanian

pre 12 godina

What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it.Get over it, get used to it.It's not gonna change.

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EA

pre 12 godina

Let me tell you "the secret/key" how can Serbia join the EU club. Recognise officially and unequivocally the Kosovo independence and enter in meaningful talks with Kosovo regarding the rights of Serb minority living in Kosovo and those to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Same rights, same duties, full strict reciprocity. Both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Cheers!

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roberto

pre 12 godina

-Let me tell you "the secret/key" how can Serbia join the EU club. Recognise officially and unequivocally the Kosovo independence and enter in meaningful talks with Kosovo regarding the rights of Serb minority living in Kosovo and those to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Same rights, same duties, full strict reciprocity. Both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Cheers!(EA, 18 December 2011 13:30)-

Thanks EA. yr response is so clear, precise, makes so much sense. which is why is appears so odd on a site like this. but anyway someone has to act the adult, pave the way for the future.

I have to say, some of the ramblings on this site are really disturbing, and disturbed. there are still ppl who lionize arkan and his little "fun" activities?! it is truly frightening. how do you have peace and security in the region, when you are dealing with such a mind-set, which i fear is not that of a tiny minority. it will take generations. ancient animosities, recent animosities... it will simply take generations.

but anyway, we have to forge a pragmatic path towards the future, one that is not just a repeating movie of all the ugly scenes of the past.

thanks again, EA. I appreciate each and every dissident (to this site) who has not given up, but who continues the good fight, despite what we have to face here. Cheers! stay strong, never give in, never give up.

roberto frisco

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Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

It is ok him saying this, but what does he propose?

The K-Albanians want nothing less than full independence for Kosovo and the Serbs want anything but full independence for Kosovo, so what does he propose?

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trizo

pre 12 godina

More simply put, more and more Serbian officials are selling the Serbs in Kosovo out. The EU & US are bribing Serbian officials with **EUROS** and probably promising Sutanovac some new toys, or Boris the new AUDI JA..

Money is the root of all evil.

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Berk.

pre 12 godina

The K-Albanians want nothing less than full independence for Kosovo and the Serbs want anything but full independence for Kosovo, so what does he propose?
(Ian, UK, 18 December 2011 14:16)

Isn't this obvious? He wants turning back the time, getting everything what Serbia wants and then call a "mutually accepted" deal, so shortly, the "compromise" between yes and no, independence or no independence is what he wants. Very simple..

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blow bags

pre 12 godina

Break off these meaningless "negotiations" with criminal albanians. This culture of albanianism is nothing more than a mafia run criminal society hell bent of the destruction of surrounding societies and culture. As the negotiations were forced upon Serbia by the west in order to dangle a worthless entrance into a corrupt and disfunctional imperialist German organization, it's over. Thank the power above that Serbia remains outside this group of German pawns and stool pigeons. The next phase should be the complete and systematic destruction of the albanian occupation of kosovo using any and all means necessary. Reading from the albo trolls comments of the years, seems like these criminals are game for another conflict, and perhaps we should grant them this request. Yet patience is the key..soon the imperialist armies of nato/berlin/paris will tire, budgets will be exhausted, local populations skeptical and restless. Time is on our Serbia's side.

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ben

pre 12 godina

you are not bearing any burden.

My house and land is mine not yours. Claiming to be yours is stupidity not a burden imposed by someone.

Serbian position with regards to Kosova was perfectly well synthesized by Chrisopher Hitchens who was saying that Serbia's position is 'what is mine is mine what is not can be negotiated'.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it"
(Proud Albanian, 18 December 2011 13:55)

Seems like some people are not even awake nowadays. Yes, Kosovo declared independence, but less than 50% of the world (UN member states/population) recognized it. I wouldn't be proud of that. Take South Sudan: They declared independence (of course not unilaterally) and what happened: The world recognized it, they became an UN member after one week - something Kosovo will never be with their UDI

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

“Solution for Kosovo should be acceptable for everyone” - Sutanovac said.

The acceptable solution has been found already. As acceptable as it is in accordance with resolution 1244 where Serbia's consent was preferable but not necessary.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Seems like some people are not even awake nowadays. Yes, Kosovo declared independence, but less than 50% of the world (UN member states/population) recognized it. I wouldn't be proud of that.
(Analyst, 18 December 2011 18:29)

Well, it’s Kosovo inhabitants’ opinion that counts. Apparently they are happy with 80+ countries saying they no longer recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia and about 20 countries saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. But you are free to convince them they should not be happy.
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Take South Sudan: They declared independence (of course not unilaterally) and what happened: The world recognized it, they became an UN member after one week - something Kosovo will never be with their UDI.
(Analyst, 18 December 2011 18:29)

Hmmm, South Sudan is not a good example for Kosovo to follow. It's only been recognized by 20+ countries, far less that the World, the countries which recognize Kosovo now, or the countries that recognized Kosovo 5 months after its UDI.

And, of course; Kosovo can’t be a UN member because has not asked for it.

I’m not sure though what your point is – that Kosovo should accept the “more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence” that Serbia graciously offered thus loosing 80+ recognitions and not becoming a UN member anyway ?! Sorry, but what would be Kosovo’s benefit to convince them accepting Serbia’s offer beside having the great privilege of being ruled by Serbia ?!

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Anonymous

pre 12 godina

@ProudAlbanian

Do you really think Pristina can continue to sustain this frozen conflict with their demands for full out independence? Pristina will never join the UN, as long as Serbia, Russia, and China continue their staunch opposition of which they sure will. Joining the UN is something Pristina will never accomplish een if there is a compromise with Serbia because it is not a sovereign and legitimate state not recognized by 55% of the worlds coutnries including veto holders Russia and China. So UN is off the table for Pristina forever. Pristina can join the EU and it should join the EU so that every one in Kosovo can prosper, but they will have to come to a compromise solution with Serbia. This solution will not be the same talk as the old Vienna Kosovo Status talks. This solution will be an actual compromise between Serbia and the Albanians. Lets be real and totally honest here. Serbia cant join the EU without solving the Kosovo issue, but Pristina also cant join the EU without finding a solution with Serbia to its status which is strongly opposed by Serbia and 5 EU members (Spain,Romania,Slovakia,Greece,and Cyprus). Just because these coutries arent the richest EU members doesnt mean they wont get a veto. Every coutnry in the Eu has the right to veto. Look at what Holland did to Serbia for so many years over Hague Cooperation and that was just one small country in the EU, forget about the 5 EU members opposing Kosovo entering the EU as a state. Plain and simple, Kosovo will be represented under UNSC Resolution 1244, or no EU accesion. The compromise solution is probably going to be something like this. Serbia will not recognize Kosovo and preserve its state institutions in the Serbian enclaves and the administrative boundary will have a special status. Kosovo will not be asked to give up its claims that it is independent and will keep all of its "state" institutions in Albanian areas. Serbia joins the EU along with Kosovo(Under UNSCR 1244). Its pretty simple coming to this solution! Just accept what the reality currently is! Serbia controls 20% of Kosovo's territory and has its state institutions everywhere where there are Serbian enclaves in Kosovo (Northern Kosovo, Gracanica, Strpce, Novo Brdo, Ranilug, Partes, Klokot, Gorazdevac, and Velika Hoca). The reality is that Serbia will never abnolish its legitimate institutions in Kosovo. And belive me when the 200,000 Serbian IDPs from Kosovo return to their homes, Serbia will have ALOT more influence in the province. The reality also is that Albanians want to continue to run the Albanian parts of Kosovo as if they are a "sovereign state". So Serbia will not interfere in that as long as Albanians do not interfere with the Serbian Areas of Kosovo. Kosovo is also recognized by the European Union as Kosovo(Under UNSCR 1244) so that is how it should join the EU. Just accept what the reality currently is and you have your solution! Serbia maintains its institutions in Serbian Enclaves, The Administrative boundary retains its special status, and Serbia does not recognize Pristina's UDI. Kosovo continues its belief that they are an "independent state" and joins the EU under UNSCR 1244 as it is recognized by the EU. Plain and Simple! Can any Albanian please tell me any realistic way you can join the EU without coming to a compromise over Kosovo's status with Serbia and the 5 EU non-recognizers? Please enlighten me!

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Mr Q

pre 12 godina

"In view of the Serbian president's call on Serbs in Kosovo not to shoot at KFOR soldiers, the minister said that "the worse case scenario is a conflict with the international community."
You mean Serbs were shooting at the NATO soldiers and not the other way round as mini Milosevic (Dacic) was saying. I am surprised with that I thought that Serbia and Serbs are modern and European!

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Zoran

pre 12 godina

“Solution for Kosovo should be acceptable for everyone”
--
Yes, it is called more than autonomy, less than independence. The alternative is to move all Albanians back to Turkey. Now who prefers the first option?

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Ian/EU/roberto frisko,

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

What's happening to you people.Weren't you awake in 2008 when Kosova declared Independence and the world recognized it.Get over it, get used to it.It's not gonna change.
(Proud Albanian, 18 December 2011 13:55)

The majority of world countries haven't recognized Kosovo. Is it news for you?

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The majority of world countries haven't recognized Kosovo. Is it news for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:01)

Of course it's news because until last week there were only about 20 countries which stated they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. Did other 70+ countries made that statement last week ? I must have missed the news !

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:04)

Taken over ?! What does "taken over" mean ? North Kosovo is part of Kosovo in all solutions Serbia has suggested for the Kosovo's final status. North Kosovo has not declared independence from Kosovo in order to create a new province in Serbia or join another Serbia province. That's why I'm perplexed about what "take over" means !

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a New Day

pre 12 godina

Zoran, amusing you think you have the ability to issue such ultimatums
Anonymous, some of what you say is true but most is far off base. A compormise is inevitable, but I think you will find that the compromise is going to be somewhere in the area of the Ahtisaari plan, which gives the enclaves broad autonomy and the ability to retain connections with Serbia. But we will not call it that for obvious reasons, it will be a similar Serbian suggested solution.
You like so many others seem to think if you can block Kosovo from moving forward they are going to accept stepping backward. Does that really make sense. Kosovo can function with the acceptance it has now. You say that once Kosovo compromises with Serbia that it will still be blocked by Russia has said what is acceptable to Serbia is acceptable to Russia and China has said a settlement through talks is what China will accept.
I think you have seen the last of the EU carrots for Serbia, up until now they have been plying Serbia with incentives up front to come around on Kosovo but now I think you are going to have to come around to actually get the rewards.
The EU does not have a unified stance on Kosovo, you want that to mean that it automatically defaults to the view of the 5. But the 22 countries are still free to treat Kosovo as a sovereign state. If you will note Kosovo has not been required to be represented at any EU function as Kosovo 1244 as you say but when it has been an issue it is Kosovo without state symbols and usually everyone without state symbols.
Even at the UNSC when both Serbian and Kosovo appear, Kosovo does not sit behind a placard that says Kosovo 1244 or UNMIK/KOSOVO. It is left without a designation and members of the UNSC which recognize it address as the FM of Kosovo, those that do not address the Foreign minister as Mr....
Any compormise agreement will allow for Kosovo's participation in all venues of the interanational arena or there will be no compromise. Simple as that. Serbia will never have to "recognize" Kosovo as an independent nation, but it will have to relinquish its claims on it.
Analyst
If you will note Montenegro has only officially been recognized by less than 75% of the countries. These matters are not a priority to a lot of countries, so to say they are supporting Serbia because they have not addressed the issue is ludicrous.
A compormise in 2006-7 would have been ideal, but if you remember Serbia was not even offering the so-called "more than autonomy, less than independence" which is a phrase thrown out there without any definition to date. That phrase never surfaced until it was declared that negotiations were futile by the UN observers the 2nd time, and it was known that UDI was inevitable.

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Berk.

pre 12 godina

Yes, it is called more than autonomy, less than independence. The alternative is to move all Albanians back to Turkey. Now who prefers the first option?
(Zoran, 18 December 2011 21:43)

Did not Rogozin suggested to remove Serbs from Kosovo and relocate them in Russia after denial to give them Russian citizenship? Option 3?

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icj1

pre 12 godina

You mean Kosovo Albanian inhabitants’ opinion. Where is Kosovo Serb community veto right for the issue?
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

I mean what I said… “Kosovo’s inhabitants”
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No, they are not quite happy and keep asking Serbia for recognition.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

Of course, like they ask for, say, Lesotho’s recognition. Has anybody said that more recognitions are not good ? But certainly the current recognitions are better than 0 so they are happier than they were before. But, by all means, if you disagree, go and convince them not to be happy.
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Their benefit will be the quickest possible acception to the EU as part of Serbia.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

But the Serb people does not want to join EU, so the above is a moot point.
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Congratulations! you have made personal progress - you don't deny that the majority of the world countries haven't recognized Kosovo as independent state.
(aaayyy, 19 December 2011 00:05)

What’s your question so that I can deny or not deny ?

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rote

pre 12 godina

I don’t know why Serbia has to pay salaries to it’s FM cause every member of this cabinet believes he can make statements concerning vital matters of relations with all of the neighbors. Look though the titles of the news and you will find it true. And it is happening all the time. Is it a result of the coalition government or it’s the Serbian way of encornering the existing problems ?

Same with the EU bureaucrats when everybody who has a salary above 500 euro believes he can make statements over Kosovo. And only an idiot can try to count the contradictions in the statements they have already made. I believe most of the declarants are just PRing themselves. And they care very little of the harm they bring to the reconciliation process here.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Well, it’s Kosovo inhabitants’ opinion that counts.
(icj1)

You mean Kosovo Albanian inhabitants’ opinion. Where is Kosovo Serb community veto right for the issue?
(aaayyy)

Apparently they are happy with 80+ countries saying they no longer recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia and about 20 countries saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia. But you are free to convince them they should not be happy.
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(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

No, they are not quite happy and keep asking Serbia for recognition.
(aaayyy)

I’m not sure though what your point is – that Kosovo should accept the “more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence” that Serbia graciously offered thus loosing 80+ recognitions and not becoming a UN member anyway ?! Sorry, but what would be Kosovo’s benefit to convince them accepting Serbia’s offer beside having the great privilege of being ruled by Serbia ?!
(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

Their benefit will be the quickest possible acception to the EU as part of Serbia.
(aaayyy)

Congratulations! you have made personal progress - you don't deny that the majority of the world countries haven't recognized Kosovo as independent state.

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Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"I have to say, some of the ramblings on this site are really disturbing, and disturbed. there are still ppl who lionize arkan and his little "fun" activities?!" (blah blah blah)

LOL where the Devil did anyone mention Arkan on this site except you roberto? The Serbian governmnet is talking about a sustainable solution and you're pissing and moaning about Arkan-lovers. Are you that much of a dense doofus that you can't put 2 and 2 together or are you so blinded by pushing something else that you completely forget to read the articles?

So here's a sustainable solution, and I'll take it from "ben", obviously another "dissident" of yours : "My house and land is mine not yours. Claiming to be yours is stupidity not a burden imposed by someone."

That means it's time for Albanians to cease with their idiotic, or dare I say "Milosevic-style", attempts at controlling Serbian territory in Kosovo. They ought to be more like Serbs today who want to control where they live and let others do their own thing. The aggressive warmongering is coming from Pristina with calls for takeover. Serbs are looking for a compromise. Albanins are looking for a showdown. I figured you'd listen to an Albanian because you're too dense to take anything from a Serb seriously.

Nice try once again attempting to sound intelligent but once again you're blaming others for showing up to a soccer match because you brought a basketball. That ignorance of yours makes you so entertaining around here :)

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Ian, UK

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Ian/EU/roberto frisko,

The only way Kosovo North could be taken under Prishtina's control is by brutal forse and/or ethnic cleansing of KSerbs implemented by KFOR. Is it acceptable for you?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 22:04)

Slobodan Petrovic disagrees. As do the EU-Belgrade-Pristina negotiating teams. But do?... well I doubt ethnic cleansing will happen.

Anyway no-one is calling for ethnic cleansing, not even Pristina. The last thing Pristina wants is for the K-Serbs to leave Kosovo because that puts them in a bad light. The negotiating parties want to find an agreement for stability, for the people it affects; not a long standing political solution as such.

I for one don't think there is a POLITICAL agreement which can suit all parties, I think the most realistic POLITICAL solution is for Serbia to recognise Kosovo south of the river Ibar. However I'm not in favour of the partition of Kosovo on ethnic grounds, I just believe that to be the only realistic political solution.

But do I think this will happen?

Who knows?

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Analyst

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And, of course; Kosovo can’t be a UN member because has not asked for it.
(icj1, 18 December 2011 20:23)

I agree, one of the few smart things that Mr. voted-by-115% Thaci did was not to ask for UN membership - everybody knows that Russia and China would veto immediately.

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icj1

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I agree, one of the few smart things that Mr. voted-by-115% Thaci did was not to ask for UN membership - everybody knows that Russia and China would veto immediately.
(Analyst, 19 December 2011 03:50)

Like they vetoed Resolution 1244 amid Serbia's pleas to that end ?!

My dear, I'm speaking about facts, not "would", "could", "might" or "perhaps". The only facts everybody knows are that Kosovo has not applied to be a UN member and there is nothing for Russia, China or anybody else to veto. The rest is speculation.

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