“Serbia wants solution, but will not recognize Kosovo”

"... but we have certain standards and principles on which we insist.." Serbian standards? Did he really mean that EU you should join Serbia? Is the president going out of his mind? As Dadic said recently....Serbia must recognise officially Kosovo independence if wants to join EU. Anything else is a Serbian fairy tale.

Ben, I hear that a lot of Serbian emmigtants are Kosovo Serbs or descenders of KSerbs pushed away by KAlbanians.
(aaayyy, 16 December 2011 11:45)

you hear a lot of b.sh man.

The one that have been "pushed away" have 4 times more land than the "pushers". Now tale me if that is not a puzzle??? well it's not. lies man lies for decades enough for gods sake.

Up to Nis Albanians used to live and were ethnically cleansed. People do not evaporate they moved south and Turkey. Stop b.sh be HONEST for once at least.

Tadic is like a singer that knows only one song...people ask him to change to sing something else but he can't do it..and he repeat always the same jingle... "Kosovo and EU " FOR EVER AND EVER....Amen...

Recognizing Kosovo is the only solution Tadic! There is no other.

Hey EA, its called a country having standards for itself. Thing is I don't think Tadic means anything he says so its kind of pointless to argue about what comes out of the mouth from the DS. In Serbia, the NGO's like Open Society and Ivan Vejvoda usually says what the government thinks but cant say right now..but will have to say eventually so the NGO's prepare the public.

The likes of Tadic, Dinkic, Vejvoda, Canak...they are apart of the Eurotopia movement they are a Western Europe proxy and just like the EU falls apart, so should these people's strangle of Serbia. These people remind me of Herman Van Rompuy the "president" of the EU. No personalty, bland and technocratic in everything they say.

Tadic has already recognized the illegal occupation of our territory as legitimate, he did so a long time ago. He is just working on getting the rest of the country to do the same before his times up. The DS stable have no legitimacy in whatever they talk about, be it Kosovo, corruption or the economy.

as we NEVER came to your homes and killed you.

(ben, 16 December 2011 11:01)

Ben, I hear that a lot of Serbian emmigtants are Kosovo Serbs or descenders of KSerbs pushed away by KAlbanians.

You wil never have long lasting peace a historical agreement between Serbs and Albanians if you are not ready to acknowledge that my home is mine.

And I don't think that I'm asking too much of sacrifice form you dear neighbors.

You stay at your homes we at ours. Full stop.

If you woulkdn'y some to our homes and burn them and kill us the war would never happen as we NEVER came to your homes and killed you.

O|r you can remind me when Albanians burned Prokupje, Kraljevo, Nis and so one...????

Up to Nis Albanians used to live and were ethnically cleansed. People do not evaporate they moved south and Turkey. Stop b.sh be HONEST for once at least.
(ben, 16 December 2011 12:57)

Please Ben, do enlighten me with your broken English and swear words on such great truth you speak of. Please do find me a non-Albanian-backed source that confirms this that Albanians existed in large numbers all the way to Nis. I don't remember any of my ancestors (which go back to 1700 and before) ever recorded and/or confirmed a "massive" amount of Albanians up to Nis that were cleansed. I guess Cela Kula in Nis was made from Albanians because there must have been so many of you that the Turks confused you guys for the Serbs, my mistake. And I bet none of your ancestors ever came from Albania (post 1945) because you guys in KosovO are so "ethnically" pure. Give me a break! You guys give people like us a good laugh. With the EU hanging on for dear life, why should Serbia recognize you? What's that? Oh, that's right; you have no good reason to back that up. Oh and don't bother looking for a source, I already know there isn't any because I work in Academia here in the US and already looked up sources your brethren have tried to justify that claim. But you can believe in fairy tales...

"What is crystal clear is that not a single Serbian soul on this earth will recognise KosovA and KosovO is more historically important and valued to us than it will ever be to any Albanian.
(trizo,"

Serbs say that to Slovenians Croatians Bosnians Montenegrians Hungarians Bulgarians Albanians Macedonians even Romanians sometime.

Do you really think anybody takes you seriously anymore?
And keep the judgments to yourself, there should be a clown day where this type of triste comments should be welcomed.

EA, who is Dadic? Anyway, Tadic is chirping his broken CD tune. But he is correct in the fact that Serbia must never recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo, if they do, what next will they want - a part of CG, Macedonia Germany?

I’m not an Academic but if you are really interested for the fact is not difficult to contact an Albanian academic and you can exchange fact with them.
(dori tirana, 16 December 2011 15:48)

HAHAHAHA!!! No kidding!!!! I know dori, it shows (you being a non-academic). The comment you are addressing didn't even involve the exchange of people in Albania proper- way to properly address a statement. I was addressing the issue of Nis. Did exchanges happen? Of course. They took place well into the 1980's (remember Bulgaria sending Turks back into Turkey?). But to the degree of sponsored ethnic cleansing and Albanians being in massive numbers all the way to Nis? Be serious for a moment please! Albanian academics? You mean the ones trying to sell us that you guys are decedents of ancient Illyrians? LOL! You mean the theory/hypothesis/assumption most Albanians have that NO, and I mean NO, serious and renowned academic in the Western World has backed (oh yes, I've heard about your bribing attempts too- now that's funny and I can see Balkan people trying). Again, go back to believing in fairy tales and write your propaganda for the people back home in thinking that all of the people of the Balkans originate from a female Albanian/Illyrian mother. It doesn't hold water over here or anywhere else outside of your little circles. Amateurs- ALL OF YOU (Albanians of course)….

I could't care less if Serbia recognizes Kosovo or not. What I care is Kosovo is in Albanian hands (rightful owners). You Serbs can lie yourselves as much as you want.

Serbia wants solution, but the solution is to recognize Kosovo. Period.

It is a crystal clear to every rational individual. The other alternative bring Serbia even closer to complete ghetto and further disintegration.

Hey passingby,

why don't you keep passing by now :)

What is crystal clear is that not a single Serbian soul on this earth will recognise KosovA and KosovO is more historically important and valued to us than it will ever be to any Albanian.

The population of Serbians who will never recognise independent KosovA is over double the population of living Albanians in the world.

Don't be so naive and instead of reaching for the stars, how about you reach for the ceiling first.

We can get along, but don't come and provoke us and squat in our holy land, and expect us not to defend ourselves.

Judging by the replies on this thread, I'd say Serbs are stuck on a time loop. They still talk of Kosovo in terms of 'Holy Land'. Have you actually ever been to Kosovo? It really isn't holy let me tell you. What seems to have eacaped, even the most rational Serb is that Kosovo comes with the Albanians who live there, you will not get the territory without the people. You will not placate the people without making equal citizens out them. That means, the right to vote, veto laws and run for President of Serbia. No Serb that I know, will EVER countanance the idea of a Kosovar Albanian running to become a Serbian President. This is the choice that grapples Serbs, one they will NEVER escape, itsw either Kosovo or democracy. Serbs themselves hav e shown time and agian these past 20 years that they do not consider Albanians to be equal peoples of the same state, that attitude will lead to you recognizing Kosovo, if not this year...in the next five for sure

MeanwhileI'm waiting for your argument why Kosova is Serbia.And do you know why, cause your arguments are the best facts for us that say Kosova is Albanian.
(dori tirana, 16 December 2011 18:07)

Your questions aren't even worth my time. Why don't you ask the Albanians in Kosovo why they have barely changed the Serbian city names? I guess those 600+ year old monasteries throughout Kosovo just landed from space, eh?

I personally have respect for Mr.Tadic. He has done impossible to protect the interest of its nation. The problem is here. An able politician speaks to its people with the language that they understand. I’m sorry for Mr. Tadic for the level of its people that still leave in folks and legends, still live in 13th century. I’ll say to Serb people some words that Mr. Tadic cannot say like a politician. Kosovo never from 13th century has been in Serbia. Even during Yugoslavia times Kosova soil was an Albanian spirit and ethnically majority was Albanian. With all the Colonialist methods that Serbs tries to Kosova arrive at maximaly 25% Serbs ethnically. So when do you find you Serbs “Kosova is Serbia”? If I accept that in 13th century Kosova was Serbia this is your argument? Tell me only this and this is enough for third parties to understand if Kosova is Serbian or is Albanian. Tell me please which your argument is.

Dear Academic Tomislav USA.

Do you have any information for the exchange of people between the Yugoslavia and Turkey after WWI?
Please check this information and together we will find the ethnicity and origin of this Muslim people that you exchange with Turkey. I know a lot of them that live in Albania, city of Elbasan, Fier, Scutary, Tirana, Lissus and were from these villages that surround Nis. Dear Academic, for an Academic today is difficult to hide the true fact of 2000 years before, not 100 years before. I’m not an Academic but if you are really interested for the fact is not difficult to contact an Albanian academic and you can exchange fact with thems.

Tomislav USA, you really don’t know that happen an exchange of people between Serbia and Turkey after WWI? An Academic like you! You make me optimist. Now I’m thinking for myself that I’m an Academic. Check this fact and we can keep on the conversation. You will learn other things by me. So at least you can sell yourself as Academic between Serbs.
MeanwhileI'm waiting for your argument why Kosova is Serbia.And do you know why, cause your arguments are the best facts for us that say Kosova is Albanian.

I could't care less if Serbia recognizes Kosovo or not. What I care is Kosovo is in Albanian hands (rightful owners). You Serbs can lie yourselves as much as you want.
(Avni, 16 December 2011 17:07)

Guess what? I got a little secret or you- I don't care about most of Kosovo anyway as a Serb who had part of his family exiled from Kosovo in 1876. As long as the people from Mitrovica north get to choose what they want to do (didn't you guys talk about self-determination all those years? Hmmmmm, I guess one-way traffic isn't it in your favor?) and the historical landmarks are all protected, I don't care what you guys do as long as you are contained there (which is the MAIN reason Western Europe recognized you so that they can send you criminal brethren back home). I bet Kosovo has a bright future ahead of it. Yep, I can see it now- tourist destination of Europe and major exporter of goods everyone wants (not drugs of course). I should change those plans for Kopaonik in the Winter and Dubrovnik in the summer and enjoy the waterfront property of Pristina and the awesome resorts on Sar (oops, forgot, most of the good ones are in Macedonia, my mistake). You guys are making this too easy...

Your questions aren't even worth my time. Why don't you ask the Albanians in Kosovo why they have barely changed the Serbian city names? I guess those 600+ year old monasteries throughout Kosovo just landed from space, eh?
(Tomislav USA, 16 December 2011 20:11)
Thank you Tomislav we finally arrive an agreement. The argument of Serbs is these Churches of 13th century. We agree that those churches were administered by the Church of Serbia since the Kingdom of Serbia that like every kingdom or empire had it religious institution in the area that rules. In Kosova has administered its religious institutions Roman Empire, Byzantium, Kingdom of Serbia, and Ottoman Empire. Following your logic Kosova maybe Italian, Greek, Serb or Turk. Get rest with your insane and, ask forgiveness for victims that it has created to both sides to save the spirit of all that has done racist crimes. Churches without people are only stones. And the people of Kosova are Albanian, Kosova is Albanian.

Again, go back to believing in fairy tales and write your propaganda for the people back home in thinking that all of the people of the Balkans originate from a female Albanian/Illyrian mother. It doesn't hold water over here or anywhere else outside of your little circles. Amateurs- ALL OF YOU (Albanians of course)….
(Tomislav USA, 16 December 2011 16:46
You know Tomislav if your family has lived in the USA since expulsion for more than 100 years You know that where the Serbs came from, where Turks came from, are Albanians Illyrians, was Kosovo part of albania, Serbia, Turkey, or Bulgaria, etc 100 years ago, 500yrs ago or a million years ago does not matter one iota over here. Americans do not concern ourselves with that crap other than interesting history lessons. What matters is the plight of people in the relative present. That is our interest in Kosovo. We cannot undo the past but we can change the present and try to prevent history from repeating itself.

"Whether people like it or not the only political game in town these days for Europeans is the European Union. President Tadic is trying to claim EU investment and funds for jobs and instratructure."

As an outside observer from the US a lot of this is over my head. On the other hand some of things said here are bewilder me. First off if the EU, by which we mean Germany, is the only game in town, it's rigged against Serbs. Anyone who really thought the Germans, who from my experience detest Serbia, were going to let you into the EU is a child. Tadic's reasoning is different, he's a politician and needs that German money to maintain his life style, just like the rest of the politicians from other former Yugoslav areas. On top of that, as early as the first of the year, and surely by 2012, the Glorious EU will no longer exist. They will begin a long retreat that all who have more debt than sense experience.

Point two is even more important. Never give up your claim on Kosovo but there's no need to fight the battle openly. Maintain enough pressure to stake your claim, but leave Germany with the Albanians for allies and even help them get into the EU. It will speed up the demise of Germany if Albania is given no visa restrictions into the EU. Corruption and crime will transferred to the EU on a grand scale, something a faultering nation can't survive. Look at Mexico for a classic example of how this works.

Lastly, you must depend on your own resources. Quit begging money from other nations and create a first rate legal system to deal with your corruption , and cut the size of your government to 1/10th it's present size. Give up your socialist dreams, which are always based on getting money from others. There's no longer any money to beg for. I know, I'm a fool for thinking any of this could happen so Serbs had better prepare yourself for the alternative.

B92 can you forward please this link to Mr. Academic Tomislav. He will find a lot of sources there for his Academic knowledges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

What seems to have eacaped, even the most rational Serb is that Kosovo comes with the Albanians who live there, you will not get the territory without the people. You will not placate the people without making equal citizens out them. That means, the right to vote, veto laws and run for President of Serbia. No Serb that I know, will EVER countanance the idea of a Kosovar Albanian running to become a Serbian President.
(adriatik)
I am sure Tadic agreed/agrees to all of that when he campaigns for the idea of Kosovo in EU as part of Serbia.
I am not only sure about veto power - who should have right for veto power? Have Serbs in Kosovo veto power and could they execise their rights for example when decision is made concerning Kosovo independence?

I have a tremendous sympathy with President Tadic. Whether people like it or not the only political game in town these days for Europeans is the European Union. President Tadic is trying to claim EU investment and funds for jobs and instratructure. Give him a chance Serbia, he has your long term interests at heart and history will prove him right even if you throw him out at the next election.

Did Mr. Tadic remember to apologise for the killing of Franz Ferdinand! I mean, the guy has apologised for everything else in each country he visited!

The big question in Mr. Tadic's mind is: How can I dump Kosovo on those Albanians and not get lynched by the Serbs for it. EU... Here I come!

What matters is the plight of people in the relative present. That is our interest in Kosovo. We cannot undo the past but we can change the present and try to prevent history from repeating itself.
(Sam USA, 17 December 2011 11:40)

General dynamics in Kosovo throughout the last half of 20th centure was very negative for Serbs - they had to leave Kosovo because of pressure from Albanian nationalists. Right now Serbs are leaving Kosovo as well inspite of KFOR which is supposed to provide safety for them.

The big question in Mr. Tadic's mind is: How can I dump Kosovo on those Albanians and not get lynched by the Serbs for it. EU... Here I come!
(Slobodan Maric, 17 December 2011 15:03)

"Lynched" ?! I thought Serbia was a cizilized country and not a place that is not able to resolve disputes in a civilized way !

Could Serbs exercise their veto power to block UDI?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 00:48)

If by “UDI” you mean a change in Kosovo’s Constitution, of course they can block it according to art 144 par 2 of Kosovo’s constitution
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If Serbs have so many rights, how comes they asked for Russian citizenship while we all know that independent Kosovo is multiethnic democratic paradise on Earth contrary to Russia which is backward autharitarian state where bears wandering around the cities.
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 00:48)

Because they read in these forums that Russia is the paradise on earth, even more paradise than Kosovo. Isn’t that true ?

Have Serbs in Kosovo veto power and could they execise their rights for example when decision is made concerning Kosovo independence?
(aaayyy, 16 December 2011 20:33)

Of course they do (even though they are less than 1/10 of the population) - art. 144 par 2 of Kosovo's Constitution... However Serbia did not grant that right to the Albanians in the 2006 Constitution, even though Albanians would have made 1/4 of Serbia's population.

Sorry mate, I know you have been fed too much propoganda and see Albanians as second-class citizens, to the point that you cannot fathom the possibility that Serbs have more rights than Albanians in the Albanian-dominated Kosovo.

Of course they do (even though they are less than 1/10 of the population) - art. 144 par 2 of Kosovo's Constitution... However Serbia did not grant that right to the Albanians in the 2006 Constitution, even though Albanians would have made 1/4 of Serbia's population.

Serbs have more rights than Albanians in the Albanian-dominated Kosovo.
(icj1, 17 December 2011 21:13)

Could Serbs exercise their veto power to block UDI?

If Serbs have so many rights, how comes they asked for Russian citizenship while we all know that independent Kosovo is multiethnic democratic paradise on Earth contrary to Russia which is backward autharitarian state where bears wandering around the cities.

"... but we have certain standards and principles on which we insist.." Serbian standards? Did he really mean that EU you should join Serbia? Is the president going out of his mind? As Dadic said recently....Serbia must recognise officially Kosovo independence if wants to join EU. Anything else is a Serbian fairy tale.

Recognizing Kosovo is the only solution Tadic! There is no other.

You wil never have long lasting peace a historical agreement between Serbs and Albanians if you are not ready to acknowledge that my home is mine.

And I don't think that I'm asking too much of sacrifice form you dear neighbors.

You stay at your homes we at ours. Full stop.

If you woulkdn'y some to our homes and burn them and kill us the war would never happen as we NEVER came to your homes and killed you.

O|r you can remind me when Albanians burned Prokupje, Kraljevo, Nis and so one...????

Ben, I hear that a lot of Serbian emmigtants are Kosovo Serbs or descenders of KSerbs pushed away by KAlbanians.
(aaayyy, 16 December 2011 11:45)

you hear a lot of b.sh man.

The one that have been "pushed away" have 4 times more land than the "pushers". Now tale me if that is not a puzzle??? well it's not. lies man lies for decades enough for gods sake.

Up to Nis Albanians used to live and were ethnically cleansed. People do not evaporate they moved south and Turkey. Stop b.sh be HONEST for once at least.

as we NEVER came to your homes and killed you.

(ben, 16 December 2011 11:01)

Ben, I hear that a lot of Serbian emmigtants are Kosovo Serbs or descenders of KSerbs pushed away by KAlbanians.

Serbia wants solution, but the solution is to recognize Kosovo. Period.

It is a crystal clear to every rational individual. The other alternative bring Serbia even closer to complete ghetto and further disintegration.

Hey EA, its called a country having standards for itself. Thing is I don't think Tadic means anything he says so its kind of pointless to argue about what comes out of the mouth from the DS. In Serbia, the NGO's like Open Society and Ivan Vejvoda usually says what the government thinks but cant say right now..but will have to say eventually so the NGO's prepare the public.

The likes of Tadic, Dinkic, Vejvoda, Canak...they are apart of the Eurotopia movement they are a Western Europe proxy and just like the EU falls apart, so should these people's strangle of Serbia. These people remind me of Herman Van Rompuy the "president" of the EU. No personalty, bland and technocratic in everything they say.

Tadic has already recognized the illegal occupation of our territory as legitimate, he did so a long time ago. He is just working on getting the rest of the country to do the same before his times up. The DS stable have no legitimacy in whatever they talk about, be it Kosovo, corruption or the economy.

Dear Academic Tomislav USA.

Do you have any information for the exchange of people between the Yugoslavia and Turkey after WWI?
Please check this information and together we will find the ethnicity and origin of this Muslim people that you exchange with Turkey. I know a lot of them that live in Albania, city of Elbasan, Fier, Scutary, Tirana, Lissus and were from these villages that surround Nis. Dear Academic, for an Academic today is difficult to hide the true fact of 2000 years before, not 100 years before. I’m not an Academic but if you are really interested for the fact is not difficult to contact an Albanian academic and you can exchange fact with thems.

Tadic is like a singer that knows only one song...people ask him to change to sing something else but he can't do it..and he repeat always the same jingle... "Kosovo and EU " FOR EVER AND EVER....Amen...

EA, who is Dadic? Anyway, Tadic is chirping his broken CD tune. But he is correct in the fact that Serbia must never recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo, if they do, what next will they want - a part of CG, Macedonia Germany?

I personally have respect for Mr.Tadic. He has done impossible to protect the interest of its nation. The problem is here. An able politician speaks to its people with the language that they understand. I’m sorry for Mr. Tadic for the level of its people that still leave in folks and legends, still live in 13th century. I’ll say to Serb people some words that Mr. Tadic cannot say like a politician. Kosovo never from 13th century has been in Serbia. Even during Yugoslavia times Kosova soil was an Albanian spirit and ethnically majority was Albanian. With all the Colonialist methods that Serbs tries to Kosova arrive at maximaly 25% Serbs ethnically. So when do you find you Serbs “Kosova is Serbia”? If I accept that in 13th century Kosova was Serbia this is your argument? Tell me only this and this is enough for third parties to understand if Kosova is Serbian or is Albanian. Tell me please which your argument is.

I could't care less if Serbia recognizes Kosovo or not. What I care is Kosovo is in Albanian hands (rightful owners). You Serbs can lie yourselves as much as you want.

Tomislav USA, you really don’t know that happen an exchange of people between Serbia and Turkey after WWI? An Academic like you! You make me optimist. Now I’m thinking for myself that I’m an Academic. Check this fact and we can keep on the conversation. You will learn other things by me. So at least you can sell yourself as Academic between Serbs.
MeanwhileI'm waiting for your argument why Kosova is Serbia.And do you know why, cause your arguments are the best facts for us that say Kosova is Albanian.

"What is crystal clear is that not a single Serbian soul on this earth will recognise KosovA and KosovO is more historically important and valued to us than it will ever be to any Albanian.
(trizo,"

Serbs say that to Slovenians Croatians Bosnians Montenegrians Hungarians Bulgarians Albanians Macedonians even Romanians sometime.

Do you really think anybody takes you seriously anymore?
And keep the judgments to yourself, there should be a clown day where this type of triste comments should be welcomed.

I could't care less if Serbia recognizes Kosovo or not. What I care is Kosovo is in Albanian hands (rightful owners). You Serbs can lie yourselves as much as you want.
(Avni, 16 December 2011 17:07)

Guess what? I got a little secret or you- I don't care about most of Kosovo anyway as a Serb who had part of his family exiled from Kosovo in 1876. As long as the people from Mitrovica north get to choose what they want to do (didn't you guys talk about self-determination all those years? Hmmmmm, I guess one-way traffic isn't it in your favor?) and the historical landmarks are all protected, I don't care what you guys do as long as you are contained there (which is the MAIN reason Western Europe recognized you so that they can send you criminal brethren back home). I bet Kosovo has a bright future ahead of it. Yep, I can see it now- tourist destination of Europe and major exporter of goods everyone wants (not drugs of course). I should change those plans for Kopaonik in the Winter and Dubrovnik in the summer and enjoy the waterfront property of Pristina and the awesome resorts on Sar (oops, forgot, most of the good ones are in Macedonia, my mistake). You guys are making this too easy...

Judging by the replies on this thread, I'd say Serbs are stuck on a time loop. They still talk of Kosovo in terms of 'Holy Land'. Have you actually ever been to Kosovo? It really isn't holy let me tell you. What seems to have eacaped, even the most rational Serb is that Kosovo comes with the Albanians who live there, you will not get the territory without the people. You will not placate the people without making equal citizens out them. That means, the right to vote, veto laws and run for President of Serbia. No Serb that I know, will EVER countanance the idea of a Kosovar Albanian running to become a Serbian President. This is the choice that grapples Serbs, one they will NEVER escape, itsw either Kosovo or democracy. Serbs themselves hav e shown time and agian these past 20 years that they do not consider Albanians to be equal peoples of the same state, that attitude will lead to you recognizing Kosovo, if not this year...in the next five for sure

Your questions aren't even worth my time. Why don't you ask the Albanians in Kosovo why they have barely changed the Serbian city names? I guess those 600+ year old monasteries throughout Kosovo just landed from space, eh?
(Tomislav USA, 16 December 2011 20:11)
Thank you Tomislav we finally arrive an agreement. The argument of Serbs is these Churches of 13th century. We agree that those churches were administered by the Church of Serbia since the Kingdom of Serbia that like every kingdom or empire had it religious institution in the area that rules. In Kosova has administered its religious institutions Roman Empire, Byzantium, Kingdom of Serbia, and Ottoman Empire. Following your logic Kosova maybe Italian, Greek, Serb or Turk. Get rest with your insane and, ask forgiveness for victims that it has created to both sides to save the spirit of all that has done racist crimes. Churches without people are only stones. And the people of Kosova are Albanian, Kosova is Albanian.

Up to Nis Albanians used to live and were ethnically cleansed. People do not evaporate they moved south and Turkey. Stop b.sh be HONEST for once at least.
(ben, 16 December 2011 12:57)

Please Ben, do enlighten me with your broken English and swear words on such great truth you speak of. Please do find me a non-Albanian-backed source that confirms this that Albanians existed in large numbers all the way to Nis. I don't remember any of my ancestors (which go back to 1700 and before) ever recorded and/or confirmed a "massive" amount of Albanians up to Nis that were cleansed. I guess Cela Kula in Nis was made from Albanians because there must have been so many of you that the Turks confused you guys for the Serbs, my mistake. And I bet none of your ancestors ever came from Albania (post 1945) because you guys in KosovO are so "ethnically" pure. Give me a break! You guys give people like us a good laugh. With the EU hanging on for dear life, why should Serbia recognize you? What's that? Oh, that's right; you have no good reason to back that up. Oh and don't bother looking for a source, I already know there isn't any because I work in Academia here in the US and already looked up sources your brethren have tried to justify that claim. But you can believe in fairy tales...

Hey passingby,

why don't you keep passing by now :)

What is crystal clear is that not a single Serbian soul on this earth will recognise KosovA and KosovO is more historically important and valued to us than it will ever be to any Albanian.

The population of Serbians who will never recognise independent KosovA is over double the population of living Albanians in the world.

Don't be so naive and instead of reaching for the stars, how about you reach for the ceiling first.

We can get along, but don't come and provoke us and squat in our holy land, and expect us not to defend ourselves.

I have a tremendous sympathy with President Tadic. Whether people like it or not the only political game in town these days for Europeans is the European Union. President Tadic is trying to claim EU investment and funds for jobs and instratructure. Give him a chance Serbia, he has your long term interests at heart and history will prove him right even if you throw him out at the next election.

I’m not an Academic but if you are really interested for the fact is not difficult to contact an Albanian academic and you can exchange fact with them.
(dori tirana, 16 December 2011 15:48)

HAHAHAHA!!! No kidding!!!! I know dori, it shows (you being a non-academic). The comment you are addressing didn't even involve the exchange of people in Albania proper- way to properly address a statement. I was addressing the issue of Nis. Did exchanges happen? Of course. They took place well into the 1980's (remember Bulgaria sending Turks back into Turkey?). But to the degree of sponsored ethnic cleansing and Albanians being in massive numbers all the way to Nis? Be serious for a moment please! Albanian academics? You mean the ones trying to sell us that you guys are decedents of ancient Illyrians? LOL! You mean the theory/hypothesis/assumption most Albanians have that NO, and I mean NO, serious and renowned academic in the Western World has backed (oh yes, I've heard about your bribing attempts too- now that's funny and I can see Balkan people trying). Again, go back to believing in fairy tales and write your propaganda for the people back home in thinking that all of the people of the Balkans originate from a female Albanian/Illyrian mother. It doesn't hold water over here or anywhere else outside of your little circles. Amateurs- ALL OF YOU (Albanians of course)….

What seems to have eacaped, even the most rational Serb is that Kosovo comes with the Albanians who live there, you will not get the territory without the people. You will not placate the people without making equal citizens out them. That means, the right to vote, veto laws and run for President of Serbia. No Serb that I know, will EVER countanance the idea of a Kosovar Albanian running to become a Serbian President.
(adriatik)
I am sure Tadic agreed/agrees to all of that when he campaigns for the idea of Kosovo in EU as part of Serbia.
I am not only sure about veto power - who should have right for veto power? Have Serbs in Kosovo veto power and could they execise their rights for example when decision is made concerning Kosovo independence?

B92 can you forward please this link to Mr. Academic Tomislav. He will find a lot of sources there for his Academic knowledges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

MeanwhileI'm waiting for your argument why Kosova is Serbia.And do you know why, cause your arguments are the best facts for us that say Kosova is Albanian.
(dori tirana, 16 December 2011 18:07)

Your questions aren't even worth my time. Why don't you ask the Albanians in Kosovo why they have barely changed the Serbian city names? I guess those 600+ year old monasteries throughout Kosovo just landed from space, eh?

Again, go back to believing in fairy tales and write your propaganda for the people back home in thinking that all of the people of the Balkans originate from a female Albanian/Illyrian mother. It doesn't hold water over here or anywhere else outside of your little circles. Amateurs- ALL OF YOU (Albanians of course)….
(Tomislav USA, 16 December 2011 16:46
You know Tomislav if your family has lived in the USA since expulsion for more than 100 years You know that where the Serbs came from, where Turks came from, are Albanians Illyrians, was Kosovo part of albania, Serbia, Turkey, or Bulgaria, etc 100 years ago, 500yrs ago or a million years ago does not matter one iota over here. Americans do not concern ourselves with that crap other than interesting history lessons. What matters is the plight of people in the relative present. That is our interest in Kosovo. We cannot undo the past but we can change the present and try to prevent history from repeating itself.

Have Serbs in Kosovo veto power and could they execise their rights for example when decision is made concerning Kosovo independence?
(aaayyy, 16 December 2011 20:33)

Of course they do (even though they are less than 1/10 of the population) - art. 144 par 2 of Kosovo's Constitution... However Serbia did not grant that right to the Albanians in the 2006 Constitution, even though Albanians would have made 1/4 of Serbia's population.

Sorry mate, I know you have been fed too much propoganda and see Albanians as second-class citizens, to the point that you cannot fathom the possibility that Serbs have more rights than Albanians in the Albanian-dominated Kosovo.

The big question in Mr. Tadic's mind is: How can I dump Kosovo on those Albanians and not get lynched by the Serbs for it. EU... Here I come!
(Slobodan Maric, 17 December 2011 15:03)

"Lynched" ?! I thought Serbia was a cizilized country and not a place that is not able to resolve disputes in a civilized way !

What matters is the plight of people in the relative present. That is our interest in Kosovo. We cannot undo the past but we can change the present and try to prevent history from repeating itself.
(Sam USA, 17 December 2011 11:40)

General dynamics in Kosovo throughout the last half of 20th centure was very negative for Serbs - they had to leave Kosovo because of pressure from Albanian nationalists. Right now Serbs are leaving Kosovo as well inspite of KFOR which is supposed to provide safety for them.

Could Serbs exercise their veto power to block UDI?
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 00:48)

If by “UDI” you mean a change in Kosovo’s Constitution, of course they can block it according to art 144 par 2 of Kosovo’s constitution
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If Serbs have so many rights, how comes they asked for Russian citizenship while we all know that independent Kosovo is multiethnic democratic paradise on Earth contrary to Russia which is backward autharitarian state where bears wandering around the cities.
(aaayyy, 18 December 2011 00:48)

Because they read in these forums that Russia is the paradise on earth, even more paradise than Kosovo. Isn’t that true ?

Did Mr. Tadic remember to apologise for the killing of Franz Ferdinand! I mean, the guy has apologised for everything else in each country he visited!

The big question in Mr. Tadic's mind is: How can I dump Kosovo on those Albanians and not get lynched by the Serbs for it. EU... Here I come!

Of course they do (even though they are less than 1/10 of the population) - art. 144 par 2 of Kosovo's Constitution... However Serbia did not grant that right to the Albanians in the 2006 Constitution, even though Albanians would have made 1/4 of Serbia's population.

Serbs have more rights than Albanians in the Albanian-dominated Kosovo.
(icj1, 17 December 2011 21:13)

Could Serbs exercise their veto power to block UDI?

If Serbs have so many rights, how comes they asked for Russian citizenship while we all know that independent Kosovo is multiethnic democratic paradise on Earth contrary to Russia which is backward autharitarian state where bears wandering around the cities.

"Whether people like it or not the only political game in town these days for Europeans is the European Union. President Tadic is trying to claim EU investment and funds for jobs and instratructure."

As an outside observer from the US a lot of this is over my head. On the other hand some of things said here are bewilder me. First off if the EU, by which we mean Germany, is the only game in town, it's rigged against Serbs. Anyone who really thought the Germans, who from my experience detest Serbia, were going to let you into the EU is a child. Tadic's reasoning is different, he's a politician and needs that German money to maintain his life style, just like the rest of the politicians from other former Yugoslav areas. On top of that, as early as the first of the year, and surely by 2012, the Glorious EU will no longer exist. They will begin a long retreat that all who have more debt than sense experience.

Point two is even more important. Never give up your claim on Kosovo but there's no need to fight the battle openly. Maintain enough pressure to stake your claim, but leave Germany with the Albanians for allies and even help them get into the EU. It will speed up the demise of Germany if Albania is given no visa restrictions into the EU. Corruption and crime will transferred to the EU on a grand scale, something a faultering nation can't survive. Look at Mexico for a classic example of how this works.

Lastly, you must depend on your own resources. Quit begging money from other nations and create a first rate legal system to deal with your corruption , and cut the size of your government to 1/10th it's present size. Give up your socialist dreams, which are always based on getting money from others. There's no longer any money to beg for. I know, I'm a fool for thinking any of this could happen so Serbs had better prepare yourself for the alternative.