U.S. envoy on Kosovo, Serbia-U.S. relations

My goodness, who else can read between the lines? Just after the wife gets beaten by her husband, yet again her husband starts talking about co-operation. You see, that is the nature of her husband and there will be no end to the beatings until she leaves for good.

When South/Central America and the Carribean have recently rejected the US, why should Serbia accept them?

Again, my question is if "Kosovo" is independent why does their need to be a negoiation about their regional meeting participation? Do real countries need to ask for permission about participating in regional meetings?

Ambassador Warlick thinks relations can be strong between the US and Serbia(LOL).Yes as long as Serbia bends to American will and gives up her fellow Serbs in Kosovo.GO HOME Ambassador W A R L I K E!and take your typical AMERICAN ATTITUDE with you.

I lived in Ohio for a long period of time, its a depressed backwater typical of the modern American landscape; its not reffered to as the rust belt for nothing. Cooper tires should open new factories and investments in Ohio for thier own neglected citizens and stop trying to find other countries and thier populations to exploit with slave wages.

The elitist circles which control the US have little concern for thier own people, much less for the Serbian people who are openly and universally despised in the United States. The Serbians should deny Cooper tires a new manufacturing base, and instead, like china, make thier own tires starting with small cottage industries. We can make our own tires, our own cars and propogate our own industries. But this has always been rejected by people within Serbia who believe in the notion of the get rich quick scheme.

We can make tires of equal or greater quality. And because of our cheaper, more talented and disciplined work force we can make them for less and in the long run undercut all american competitors. But as usuall, the sons and daughters of the Yugoslav communist state who now control Serbia do not understand this basic notion of true and succesfull capatalism. China and Germany understand this, that is why both nations are prosperous.

Nenad, well from a Serbian point of view, we were allies with the US, Britain and France. We won WWII together along with Russia. During the 80s, Serbians were looking forward to EU membership and loved the US.

However, then Germany reunited and started destroying Yugoslavia and along came Clinton, who demonised us. That's when the beatings started and it hasn't stopped since. Now Warlick is here talking about co-operation while the beatings continue?

Sorry, it is time to leave. We should read the signs coming from the Americas. If the US has been rejected by its neighbours and are forming a new block on their own, why should we co-operate? It is a sign of the times. The Titanic is sinking.

"U.S. Ambassador in Belgrade Mary Warlick has stated that it is necessary to resolve the issue of Kosovo's participation in regional forums."

The best forum the resolve it: "Russian bayonets and Russian tanks" forum. Send them in.

My goodness, who else can read between the lines? Just after the wife gets beaten by her husband, yet again her husband starts talking about co-operation. You see, that is the nature of her husband and there will be no end to the beatings until she leaves for good.

When South/Central America and the Carribean have recently rejected the US, why should Serbia accept them?
(Zoran, 13 December 2011 16:14)

I don't think the metaphor suits. The US and Serbia were never husband and wife, but rather enemies in the 90s. In fact, in the minds of most Serbs, they remain so. In the minds of most Americans, they're not, because no one over here really thinks about Serbia or Kosovo. Most couldn't even find them on a map, or tell you the difference between a Serb or Albanian. No one even cares -- apart from people who have one heritage or the other, and I don't think that's a huge percentage of the population.

Enemies or not, the US and Serbia obviously remain deeply divided over the issue of Kosovo and that won't change until something like a confrontation with Russia forces the US to reconsider its position. I have no doubt you've put your faith in such a development but we shall see.

You're banking on Russian willingness to aid/protect a Serbian military assault and I'm not so sure I see that happening.
(Nenad, 14 December 2011 16:33)
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Not really Nenad. I'm basing it on cycles and patterns that are appearing and then relating it back to history and current geopolitical trends for an insight of what might come.

Once upon a time Germany was the most advanced country with the NAZIs and Axis wanting to dominate the world even though it was economically bankrupt. Now we have the same situation with the US and NATO. Essentially, we are at the point where the rest of the world has said enough is enough.

With regard to Serbia, whichever history you wish to follow, the damage is already done. Warlick is not going to change that with a leash and some empty words.

Excellent post Zoran! I totally agree with you. But remember one thing my friend, while the Titanic was sinking slowly into the deep abyss of the cold Atlantic, the band on board continued to play on as the survivors tried to enter the lifeboats. It was a surreal act. And now as the policies of the regime in Serbia begin to sink hopelessly into the inhospitable depths of irellevence, Tadic has become the maestro and his political band plays on.

The US wants Kosovo to extract profits from mineral wealth.

It's a fact that noone is a friend of the USA.

Dear Yankees! Keep your stinking mouth out of the balkans. The Kosovo issue is an "internal" matter of Serbia.

"I lived in Ohio for a long period of time, its a depressed backwater typical of the modern American landscape..." (Milan)

That's like saying that a little village in Sumadija is typical of any destination in Serbia. Have you seen NYC, Boston, DC, Seattle, SF? Nothing like Ohio. By the way, I don't rate Belgrade much above Columbus.

"The elitist circles which control the US have little concern for thier own people, much less for the Serbian people who are openly and universally despised in the United States." (Milan)

You, personally, might have negative experience in this regard, but I don't think that there's much truth to your claim in general. You can meet all kinds of people in the US, and while it's true that some are less welcoming to folks who have non-Anglo names and (sometimes) swarthy features, there are plenty of people here who would welcome Serbs without prejudice. Ohio might not be the best example, but you'd have no problem in a more cosmopolitan place. Trust me.

"We can make tires of equal or greater quality. And because of our cheaper, more talented and disciplined work force we can make them for less and in the long run undercut all american competitors." (Milan)

Plenty of workers in the US lack talent and discipline but I might remind you that this is a country of over 300 million people. Our workforce is much larger and quite diverse. People have come to this country from all over the world -- Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Russians, Mexicans...to name but a few -- and I can assure you that many of those I've named are highly educated, talented and industrious. Even if only one in ten US workers could match the productivity of a Serb, I bet you'd still have more workers in the US of the calibre you claim Serbs to be.

"However, then Germany reunited and started destroying Yugoslavia and along came Clinton, who demonised us. That's when the beatings started and it hasn't stopped since. Now Warlick is here talking about co-operation while the beatings continue?" (Zoran)

You say Germany, I say Milosevic and Tudjman. You say Clinton demonised Serbs, I say he reacted in a fairly predictable fashion given the general situation at the time. The Serbs had the biggest guns in the beginning and they weren't afraid to use them. Cities like Vukovar and Sarajevo were pulverized and much of the time, it was the Serbs doing the firing. Many of us know that the truth was more complicated and that Serbs weren't the only guilty party, but Serbs weren't careful to protect their media portrayal in the beginning and that made all the difference. People in the West had very limited interest in fact checking anti-Serb bias in the news. Meanwhile, Europe was faltering in its efforts to stop the wars and asked for American help. Clinton obliged and took advantage of the opportunities that soon emerged (NATO muscle flexing to Russia on the one hand, and 1996 re-election points on the other).

The beatings, as you put it, could have ended with Dayton. Milosevic managed to redeem himself by forcing Karadzic to sue for peace but then he couldn't just learn his lesson and turn pacifist. He needed a peaceful settlement in Kosovo -- probably by way of partition or land swap -- but he gambled on armed conflict and lost in a big way. The US has been following the same script on Kosovo and Serbia ever since (Serbia and Kosovo in the EU as separate member states) and, from a US and EU standpoint, that script is a logical conclusion to events of the late 1990s. Warlick is only telling Belgrade what we could naturally expect at this juncture.

"Sorry, it is time to leave. We should read the signs coming from the Americas. If the US has been rejected by its neighbours and are forming a new block on their own, why should we co-operate? It is a sign of the times. The Titanic is sinking." (Zoran)

No need to apologize to me. I couldn't really care less whether Serbia joins the EU and I'm not sure the US government does either. The US government would care if ever there were to be a showdown over Kosovo with Russia, but that hasn't happened yet. Until then, this particular issue is, I would imagine, rather low on the list of US priorities. The Titanic may be sinking, but as I've asserted several times before, it's a bit of a stretch to connect that with eventual Serbian repossession of Kosovo. You're banking on Russian willingness to aid/protect a Serbian military assault and I'm not so sure I see that happening.

Excellent post Zoran! I totally agree with you. But remember one thing my friend, while the Titanic was sinking slowly into the deep abyss of the cold Atlantic, the band on board continued to play on as the survivors tried to enter the lifeboats. It was a surreal act. And now as the policies of the regime in Serbia begin to sink hopelessly into the inhospitable depths of irellevence, Tadic has become the maestro and his political band plays on.
(Milan, 14 December 2011 00:54

I love these comments coming from the omnipotent superpower Serbia!

"U.S. Ambassador in Belgrade Mary Warlick has stated that it is necessary to resolve the issue of Kosovo's participation in regional forums."

The best forum the resolve it: "Russian bayonets and Russian tanks" forum. Send them in.

Dear Yankees! Keep your stinking mouth out of the balkans. The Kosovo issue is an "internal" matter of Serbia.

My goodness, who else can read between the lines? Just after the wife gets beaten by her husband, yet again her husband starts talking about co-operation. You see, that is the nature of her husband and there will be no end to the beatings until she leaves for good.

When South/Central America and the Carribean have recently rejected the US, why should Serbia accept them?
(Zoran, 13 December 2011 16:14)

I don't think the metaphor suits. The US and Serbia were never husband and wife, but rather enemies in the 90s. In fact, in the minds of most Serbs, they remain so. In the minds of most Americans, they're not, because no one over here really thinks about Serbia or Kosovo. Most couldn't even find them on a map, or tell you the difference between a Serb or Albanian. No one even cares -- apart from people who have one heritage or the other, and I don't think that's a huge percentage of the population.

Enemies or not, the US and Serbia obviously remain deeply divided over the issue of Kosovo and that won't change until something like a confrontation with Russia forces the US to reconsider its position. I have no doubt you've put your faith in such a development but we shall see.

The US wants Kosovo to extract profits from mineral wealth.

It's a fact that noone is a friend of the USA.

You're banking on Russian willingness to aid/protect a Serbian military assault and I'm not so sure I see that happening.
(Nenad, 14 December 2011 16:33)
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Not really Nenad. I'm basing it on cycles and patterns that are appearing and then relating it back to history and current geopolitical trends for an insight of what might come.

Once upon a time Germany was the most advanced country with the NAZIs and Axis wanting to dominate the world even though it was economically bankrupt. Now we have the same situation with the US and NATO. Essentially, we are at the point where the rest of the world has said enough is enough.

With regard to Serbia, whichever history you wish to follow, the damage is already done. Warlick is not going to change that with a leash and some empty words.

My goodness, who else can read between the lines? Just after the wife gets beaten by her husband, yet again her husband starts talking about co-operation. You see, that is the nature of her husband and there will be no end to the beatings until she leaves for good.

When South/Central America and the Carribean have recently rejected the US, why should Serbia accept them?

Again, my question is if "Kosovo" is independent why does their need to be a negoiation about their regional meeting participation? Do real countries need to ask for permission about participating in regional meetings?

Ambassador Warlick thinks relations can be strong between the US and Serbia(LOL).Yes as long as Serbia bends to American will and gives up her fellow Serbs in Kosovo.GO HOME Ambassador W A R L I K E!and take your typical AMERICAN ATTITUDE with you.

I lived in Ohio for a long period of time, its a depressed backwater typical of the modern American landscape; its not reffered to as the rust belt for nothing. Cooper tires should open new factories and investments in Ohio for thier own neglected citizens and stop trying to find other countries and thier populations to exploit with slave wages.

The elitist circles which control the US have little concern for thier own people, much less for the Serbian people who are openly and universally despised in the United States. The Serbians should deny Cooper tires a new manufacturing base, and instead, like china, make thier own tires starting with small cottage industries. We can make our own tires, our own cars and propogate our own industries. But this has always been rejected by people within Serbia who believe in the notion of the get rich quick scheme.

We can make tires of equal or greater quality. And because of our cheaper, more talented and disciplined work force we can make them for less and in the long run undercut all american competitors. But as usuall, the sons and daughters of the Yugoslav communist state who now control Serbia do not understand this basic notion of true and succesfull capatalism. China and Germany understand this, that is why both nations are prosperous.

Nenad, well from a Serbian point of view, we were allies with the US, Britain and France. We won WWII together along with Russia. During the 80s, Serbians were looking forward to EU membership and loved the US.

However, then Germany reunited and started destroying Yugoslavia and along came Clinton, who demonised us. That's when the beatings started and it hasn't stopped since. Now Warlick is here talking about co-operation while the beatings continue?

Sorry, it is time to leave. We should read the signs coming from the Americas. If the US has been rejected by its neighbours and are forming a new block on their own, why should we co-operate? It is a sign of the times. The Titanic is sinking.

Excellent post Zoran! I totally agree with you. But remember one thing my friend, while the Titanic was sinking slowly into the deep abyss of the cold Atlantic, the band on board continued to play on as the survivors tried to enter the lifeboats. It was a surreal act. And now as the policies of the regime in Serbia begin to sink hopelessly into the inhospitable depths of irellevence, Tadic has become the maestro and his political band plays on.

"I lived in Ohio for a long period of time, its a depressed backwater typical of the modern American landscape..." (Milan)

That's like saying that a little village in Sumadija is typical of any destination in Serbia. Have you seen NYC, Boston, DC, Seattle, SF? Nothing like Ohio. By the way, I don't rate Belgrade much above Columbus.

"The elitist circles which control the US have little concern for thier own people, much less for the Serbian people who are openly and universally despised in the United States." (Milan)

You, personally, might have negative experience in this regard, but I don't think that there's much truth to your claim in general. You can meet all kinds of people in the US, and while it's true that some are less welcoming to folks who have non-Anglo names and (sometimes) swarthy features, there are plenty of people here who would welcome Serbs without prejudice. Ohio might not be the best example, but you'd have no problem in a more cosmopolitan place. Trust me.

"We can make tires of equal or greater quality. And because of our cheaper, more talented and disciplined work force we can make them for less and in the long run undercut all american competitors." (Milan)

Plenty of workers in the US lack talent and discipline but I might remind you that this is a country of over 300 million people. Our workforce is much larger and quite diverse. People have come to this country from all over the world -- Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Russians, Mexicans...to name but a few -- and I can assure you that many of those I've named are highly educated, talented and industrious. Even if only one in ten US workers could match the productivity of a Serb, I bet you'd still have more workers in the US of the calibre you claim Serbs to be.

"However, then Germany reunited and started destroying Yugoslavia and along came Clinton, who demonised us. That's when the beatings started and it hasn't stopped since. Now Warlick is here talking about co-operation while the beatings continue?" (Zoran)

You say Germany, I say Milosevic and Tudjman. You say Clinton demonised Serbs, I say he reacted in a fairly predictable fashion given the general situation at the time. The Serbs had the biggest guns in the beginning and they weren't afraid to use them. Cities like Vukovar and Sarajevo were pulverized and much of the time, it was the Serbs doing the firing. Many of us know that the truth was more complicated and that Serbs weren't the only guilty party, but Serbs weren't careful to protect their media portrayal in the beginning and that made all the difference. People in the West had very limited interest in fact checking anti-Serb bias in the news. Meanwhile, Europe was faltering in its efforts to stop the wars and asked for American help. Clinton obliged and took advantage of the opportunities that soon emerged (NATO muscle flexing to Russia on the one hand, and 1996 re-election points on the other).

The beatings, as you put it, could have ended with Dayton. Milosevic managed to redeem himself by forcing Karadzic to sue for peace but then he couldn't just learn his lesson and turn pacifist. He needed a peaceful settlement in Kosovo -- probably by way of partition or land swap -- but he gambled on armed conflict and lost in a big way. The US has been following the same script on Kosovo and Serbia ever since (Serbia and Kosovo in the EU as separate member states) and, from a US and EU standpoint, that script is a logical conclusion to events of the late 1990s. Warlick is only telling Belgrade what we could naturally expect at this juncture.

"Sorry, it is time to leave. We should read the signs coming from the Americas. If the US has been rejected by its neighbours and are forming a new block on their own, why should we co-operate? It is a sign of the times. The Titanic is sinking." (Zoran)

No need to apologize to me. I couldn't really care less whether Serbia joins the EU and I'm not sure the US government does either. The US government would care if ever there were to be a showdown over Kosovo with Russia, but that hasn't happened yet. Until then, this particular issue is, I would imagine, rather low on the list of US priorities. The Titanic may be sinking, but as I've asserted several times before, it's a bit of a stretch to connect that with eventual Serbian repossession of Kosovo. You're banking on Russian willingness to aid/protect a Serbian military assault and I'm not so sure I see that happening.

Excellent post Zoran! I totally agree with you. But remember one thing my friend, while the Titanic was sinking slowly into the deep abyss of the cold Atlantic, the band on board continued to play on as the survivors tried to enter the lifeboats. It was a surreal act. And now as the policies of the regime in Serbia begin to sink hopelessly into the inhospitable depths of irellevence, Tadic has become the maestro and his political band plays on.
(Milan, 14 December 2011 00:54

I love these comments coming from the omnipotent superpower Serbia!