"Solve Kosovo status in international conference"

Without Russia, China, Brazil, india and South Africa there, no deal. You can not have a fair conference when only NATO war criminals are present.

This conference should bring together representatives of Belgrade, Priština, Brussels, EULEX and KFOR, Mićunović sai
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LOL! I though he mentioned an international conference? Look who is attending. It's the same old characters. This is just another Western initiative under the umbrella of "internationalism" with the same "Ahtisaari Plan" being implemented without mentioning his name. Those Serbs in KiM aren't stupid and know that a turd, under any other name, is still a turd.

Those sell-outs have no shame. Good news though, it seems time is running out for them.

Micunovic is daydreaming.

How about a conference where the insistent Eurocrats are not present? Who made them chief of the Balkans? I just don't get this bullshit. Can Serbia or Albania say anything in German affairs, no! Why then can Germany say anything in Serbian or Albanian affairs? Does history really have to ALWAYS repeat itself? The Germans and Albanians have been murderous allies historically, are they doing it again? What if the Germans go broke, and cannot support Pristina anymore? What will happen when the Serbian National Army marches into Kosovo, and restores control? Where will the EU rats be then - still broke and "Who gives a crap about the Balkans"? attitude. The future holds some interesting times. My recommendation, do not buy long term property investments in Pristina, unless you are Serbian.

If the international conference is controlled/influenced by the US and the west, then good luck!! The Bosnian Serbs didn't walk out with what is considered to be fair!!

"International Conference on Kosovo???"

Militarily speaking, Serbia lost the 1990s wars including the Kosovo one.
From the international law standpoint, Serbia lost the Kosovo case when asked International Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. Morally speaking, Serbia came out the biggest looser when Serbian forces killed thousands of innocent Kosovars. Give me a break for God's sake...Serbia has perhaps the greatest potential in the Balkans, but it needs a reality check.

China, Brazil, india and South Africa there"

What makes you think any of those countries give a flying crap about Serbia?

Honestly, I'd like to know what you think.
(Danilo, 12 December 2011 21:53)

Well genius, they don't, but they care about international law & precedents, and none of them have recognized the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. In addition, they are all part of the BRICS, the future growing economies of the world, who are not swimming in debt, and who are keeping the western world afloat by buying their debt. So, since they will be funding any future troop deployment in Kosovo (the west is broke and can't afford it), they should have a major say.
Stick to data centers, you don't seem to have a clue about anything else in life.
Cheers!!

To put it simply so that all the readers will understand. The entire breakup of Yugoslavia was not just a "chance" or "coincidence". Foreign powers have their fingerprints ALL over that mess before the first shot was even fired.

FACT: Serbia has lost and regained Kosovo many times throughout its history.

FACT: Serbia has lost Kosovo many times against arguably the strongest military at that time.

FACT: Serbia has had puppet leaders many times throughout its history to serve the interests of foreign powers.

Am I the only one here that see a pattern? If my theory is correct, then one could come to the conclusion that:

A.) Serbs will fight for Kosovo till the END OF TIME.

&

B.) Once the current "POWERS THAT BE" can no longer sustain their global domination, Serbia will either kick them out, or take back over once they leave.... Just as they have in the past.

So the question that must be on every Serbs mind must be... How much longer can the West keep Kosovo afloat before it all comes crashing down. I mean, lets face it. The Western dominance of today is but a shadow of what it was during the 90s. Its clear to many, the tides are turning. They are slowly bleeding to death and at any moment (perhaps from a collapse of the Euro?) they might go into cardiac arrest.

So Serbs, I do agree with you, as does history... Tadic & Co are NOT your friends. On the contrary, they are friends of your enemies.

US and the West say that the issua of Kosovo is solved and status is defined as far as they are concerned.

No UN for Kosovo,no EU for Serbia. Keep the trash talking about Germany and a lot of that EU money will never reach Serbia.

"International Conference on Kosovo???"

Militarily speaking, Serbia lost the 1990s wars including the Kosovo one.
From the international law standpoint, Serbia lost the Kosovo case when asked International Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. Morally speaking, Serbia came out the biggest looser when Serbian forces killed thousands of innocent Kosovars. Give me a break for God's sake...Serbia has perhaps the greatest potential in the Balkans, but it needs a reality check.
(Eugene, 12 December 2011 19:40)

Militarily speaking, Kosovo belongs to Serbia, due to the fact that the KLA lost every single battle, and the peace at the end of the bombing was on Milosevic's not Nato's terms.

Morally Speaking, Kosovo belongs to Serbia due to the numbers of innocent Serbs killed in the province from 1999 to the present day, not to mention possibly the most horrific atrocity committed since Dr Mengele's days (organ snatching). Also there are historical greivances (SS Skendeberg), the fact that the Serbs were there first, and that they consider it their holy land

Legally Speaking, its best you look at the ICJ's descision, It states that while declaaring independence is legal, (Only because Kosovo is not in the UN and does fall under international law) that UNSC 1244 is still in force, which explicitly states it is a part of Serbia, meaning it is essentially legal to declare independence, but not to seceed

Maybe it is you who requires a reality check

Micunovic - suggests international conference as some others have commented i.e. western plot for that failed Ahtisarri BS - but then what's knew with Micunovic & Sonja liht - Soros can't be far behind.

These numpty's really must think little of Serbian citizens to think they can't see this for what it is - EULEX sponsored talks mkII (plus Germans & Austrian KFOR) - another failure in the making by western masters and puppets!

"Serbia has perhaps the greatest potential in the Balkans, but it needs a reality check."


Bingo

Yes, you wished you could open this issue from beginning!
It's 12 years late, and there is no more negotiations over K-Status.
That's the price you pay for killing Djindjic, who knew that partition was the only solution back then.
Where is Jeremic, the "god" that speaks in the terms of eternity? he is the one that says Serbia will never recognize Kosova as if he has a monolp

"From the international law standpoint, Serbia lost the Kosovo case when asked International Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. "
(Eugene, 12 December 2011 19:40)

From the international law standpoint, UN1244 is still in force, which says UNMIK is responsible for Kosovo until a final, mutually agreed solution is found. An UDI is not a mutually and final solution.

"China, Brazil, india and South Africa there"

What makes you think any of those countries give a flying crap about Serbia?

Honestly, I'd like to know what you think.

"Why then can Germany say anything in Serbian or Albanian affairs"

"when the Serbian National Army marches into Kosovo"


The answer to your question is somewhere in here.

Danilo asked:

"China, Brazil, india and South Africa there"

"What makes you think any of those countries give a flying crap about Serbia?"

China has Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, Manchu and Yi regions.

Brazil has Sul and "República Riograndense"

India has Khalistan.

South Africa has Boere-Afrikaners.

All of the above are separatist movements within these countries. That is the reason why these countries do not support Kosovo's independence. Romania and Spain do not recognize due to their separatist movements as well.

(Danilo, 12 December 2011 21:53)

What strange statement as if the west considers Kosovo anything special apart from having a base there. How much of a flying crap has the west given to the Albanians in Kosovo? How many industries have they opened in Kosovo? Why there is even a US tire manufacturer opening its manufacturing facilities in Serbia, but not in little old Kosovo.

For your information China does give a lot about Serbia as it’s one piece of land not under NATO control. China is well aware that the long term plan was to expand NATO right up to the Chinese border and encircle both Russia and China – well that was the theory anyway (shows you what happens when you have US bunglers making the plans). Ask the Chinese how they lost Hong Kong……

On the issue of India, well read up on how they feel about the west, especially the so called Great Britain which ruled them for 100 years where they were treated as second class citizens in their own country. They have not forgotten even after all this time mate.

"... under which Serbia would be represented as a full-fledged state and Kosovo in some "asymmetrical form." And where is the "compromise"? Same rights, same duties, same responsibilities, receprocity in any relations between Kosovo and Serbia.

Lol desperate times for Serbs.

Serbia would be represented as a full-fledged state and Kosovo in some "asymmetrical form."

Why would Albanians agree in something like this.
If this would have been acceptable for Kosovo Albanians they would have not declared Independence at all.
If, to be represented differently we would have declared "asymmetrical form" and not full Independence.

You know, one gets happy or disappointed based on what expectations are. And if you expect Albanians to agree on this you will be very much disappointed.

No UN for Kosovo,no EU for Serbia. Keep the trash talking about Germany and a lot of that EU money will never reach Serbia.
(Mark, 12 December 2011 18:45)

No EU for 'Kosova' either. You've not been to Brussels or know anything about how europe works? That level of ignorance about europe usually comes from brits...

DanTheMan wrote:

A.) Serbs will fight for Kosovo till the END OF TIME. A.) Serbs will fight for Kosovo till the END OF TIME.

&

B.) Once the current "POWERS THAT BE" can no longer sustain their global domination, Serbia will either kick them out, or take back over once they leave.... Just as they have in the past.

________________________________

The above comments deserve no response, however, they do show the mentality of a small group in Serbia, that is unfortunately making the whole country of Serbia look like it is a warmonger country.

Since you are still thinking like it's the 18th century there "Dan", where countries could be annexed freely, I will give you a 18th century type of response...

I want to remind you that this time, the Serbian army will not march in and fight against unarmed civilians, women, and children like they did when they occupied in 1912/13, and after WWII. Be our guests!

DanTheMan wrote:

"So the question that must be on every Serbs mind must be... How much longer can the West keep Kosovo afloat before it all comes crashing down. I mean, lets face it. The Western dominance of today is but a shadow of what it was during the 90s. Its clear to many, the tides are turning. They are slowly bleeding to death and at any moment (perhaps from a collapse of the Euro?) they might go into cardiac arrest. "

Let me see who is dying here:

Yesterday I read that Serbia has 377,000 less people when compared to 9 years ago and pretty soon will have ghost towns? Is it due to Serbia's prosperity? Not sure who is bleeding to death here.

"From the international law standpoint, Serbia lost the Kosovo case when asked International Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence."

There could be one more request to ICJ with another wording. Of course, ICJ likes juridic tricks, so request must be formulated more accurate.

, under which Serbia would be represented as a full-fledged state and Kosovo in some "asymmetrical form ??
--??
SO PYG HEADED

All of the above are separatist movements within these countries. That is the reason why these countries do not support Kosovo's independence. Romania and Spain do not recognize due to their separatist movements as well.
(Classick, 13 December 2011 04:55)

Of course, but Spain was very quick to dump Serbia after ICJ's opinion, by saying that Basque's case and Kosovo were totally unrelated even though little Vuk traveled half world to claim that if Kosovo were to become independent that would have been the end of the world :)

"International Conference on Kosovo???"

Militarily speaking, Serbia lost the 1990s wars including the Kosovo one.
From the international law standpoint, Serbia lost the Kosovo case when asked International Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. Morally speaking, Serbia came out the biggest looser when Serbian forces killed thousands of innocent Kosovars. Give me a break for God's sake...Serbia has perhaps the greatest potential in the Balkans, but it needs a reality check.

No UN for Kosovo,no EU for Serbia. Keep the trash talking about Germany and a lot of that EU money will never reach Serbia.

How about a conference where the insistent Eurocrats are not present? Who made them chief of the Balkans? I just don't get this bullshit. Can Serbia or Albania say anything in German affairs, no! Why then can Germany say anything in Serbian or Albanian affairs? Does history really have to ALWAYS repeat itself? The Germans and Albanians have been murderous allies historically, are they doing it again? What if the Germans go broke, and cannot support Pristina anymore? What will happen when the Serbian National Army marches into Kosovo, and restores control? Where will the EU rats be then - still broke and "Who gives a crap about the Balkans"? attitude. The future holds some interesting times. My recommendation, do not buy long term property investments in Pristina, unless you are Serbian.

This conference should bring together representatives of Belgrade, Priština, Brussels, EULEX and KFOR, Mićunović sai
--
LOL! I though he mentioned an international conference? Look who is attending. It's the same old characters. This is just another Western initiative under the umbrella of "internationalism" with the same "Ahtisaari Plan" being implemented without mentioning his name. Those Serbs in KiM aren't stupid and know that a turd, under any other name, is still a turd.

Those sell-outs have no shame. Good news though, it seems time is running out for them.

If the international conference is controlled/influenced by the US and the west, then good luck!! The Bosnian Serbs didn't walk out with what is considered to be fair!!

"China, Brazil, india and South Africa there"

What makes you think any of those countries give a flying crap about Serbia?

Honestly, I'd like to know what you think.

US and the West say that the issua of Kosovo is solved and status is defined as far as they are concerned.

"Why then can Germany say anything in Serbian or Albanian affairs"

"when the Serbian National Army marches into Kosovo"


The answer to your question is somewhere in here.

Without Russia, China, Brazil, india and South Africa there, no deal. You can not have a fair conference when only NATO war criminals are present.

Micunovic is daydreaming.

"... under which Serbia would be represented as a full-fledged state and Kosovo in some "asymmetrical form." And where is the "compromise"? Same rights, same duties, same responsibilities, receprocity in any relations between Kosovo and Serbia.

"International Conference on Kosovo???"

Militarily speaking, Serbia lost the 1990s wars including the Kosovo one.
From the international law standpoint, Serbia lost the Kosovo case when asked International Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. Morally speaking, Serbia came out the biggest looser when Serbian forces killed thousands of innocent Kosovars. Give me a break for God's sake...Serbia has perhaps the greatest potential in the Balkans, but it needs a reality check.
(Eugene, 12 December 2011 19:40)

Militarily speaking, Kosovo belongs to Serbia, due to the fact that the KLA lost every single battle, and the peace at the end of the bombing was on Milosevic's not Nato's terms.

Morally Speaking, Kosovo belongs to Serbia due to the numbers of innocent Serbs killed in the province from 1999 to the present day, not to mention possibly the most horrific atrocity committed since Dr Mengele's days (organ snatching). Also there are historical greivances (SS Skendeberg), the fact that the Serbs were there first, and that they consider it their holy land

Legally Speaking, its best you look at the ICJ's descision, It states that while declaaring independence is legal, (Only because Kosovo is not in the UN and does fall under international law) that UNSC 1244 is still in force, which explicitly states it is a part of Serbia, meaning it is essentially legal to declare independence, but not to seceed

Maybe it is you who requires a reality check

Yes, you wished you could open this issue from beginning!
It's 12 years late, and there is no more negotiations over K-Status.
That's the price you pay for killing Djindjic, who knew that partition was the only solution back then.
Where is Jeremic, the "god" that speaks in the terms of eternity? he is the one that says Serbia will never recognize Kosova as if he has a monolp

"Serbia has perhaps the greatest potential in the Balkans, but it needs a reality check."


Bingo

"From the international law standpoint, Serbia lost the Kosovo case when asked International Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. "
(Eugene, 12 December 2011 19:40)

From the international law standpoint, UN1244 is still in force, which says UNMIK is responsible for Kosovo until a final, mutually agreed solution is found. An UDI is not a mutually and final solution.

Micunovic - suggests international conference as some others have commented i.e. western plot for that failed Ahtisarri BS - but then what's knew with Micunovic & Sonja liht - Soros can't be far behind.

These numpty's really must think little of Serbian citizens to think they can't see this for what it is - EULEX sponsored talks mkII (plus Germans & Austrian KFOR) - another failure in the making by western masters and puppets!

China, Brazil, india and South Africa there"

What makes you think any of those countries give a flying crap about Serbia?

Honestly, I'd like to know what you think.
(Danilo, 12 December 2011 21:53)

Well genius, they don't, but they care about international law & precedents, and none of them have recognized the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. In addition, they are all part of the BRICS, the future growing economies of the world, who are not swimming in debt, and who are keeping the western world afloat by buying their debt. So, since they will be funding any future troop deployment in Kosovo (the west is broke and can't afford it), they should have a major say.
Stick to data centers, you don't seem to have a clue about anything else in life.
Cheers!!

To put it simply so that all the readers will understand. The entire breakup of Yugoslavia was not just a "chance" or "coincidence". Foreign powers have their fingerprints ALL over that mess before the first shot was even fired.

FACT: Serbia has lost and regained Kosovo many times throughout its history.

FACT: Serbia has lost Kosovo many times against arguably the strongest military at that time.

FACT: Serbia has had puppet leaders many times throughout its history to serve the interests of foreign powers.

Am I the only one here that see a pattern? If my theory is correct, then one could come to the conclusion that:

A.) Serbs will fight for Kosovo till the END OF TIME.

&

B.) Once the current "POWERS THAT BE" can no longer sustain their global domination, Serbia will either kick them out, or take back over once they leave.... Just as they have in the past.

So the question that must be on every Serbs mind must be... How much longer can the West keep Kosovo afloat before it all comes crashing down. I mean, lets face it. The Western dominance of today is but a shadow of what it was during the 90s. Its clear to many, the tides are turning. They are slowly bleeding to death and at any moment (perhaps from a collapse of the Euro?) they might go into cardiac arrest.

So Serbs, I do agree with you, as does history... Tadic & Co are NOT your friends. On the contrary, they are friends of your enemies.

"From the international law standpoint, Serbia lost the Kosovo case when asked International Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence."

There could be one more request to ICJ with another wording. Of course, ICJ likes juridic tricks, so request must be formulated more accurate.

DanTheMan wrote:

A.) Serbs will fight for Kosovo till the END OF TIME. A.) Serbs will fight for Kosovo till the END OF TIME.

&

B.) Once the current "POWERS THAT BE" can no longer sustain their global domination, Serbia will either kick them out, or take back over once they leave.... Just as they have in the past.

________________________________

The above comments deserve no response, however, they do show the mentality of a small group in Serbia, that is unfortunately making the whole country of Serbia look like it is a warmonger country.

Since you are still thinking like it's the 18th century there "Dan", where countries could be annexed freely, I will give you a 18th century type of response...

I want to remind you that this time, the Serbian army will not march in and fight against unarmed civilians, women, and children like they did when they occupied in 1912/13, and after WWII. Be our guests!

Danilo asked:

"China, Brazil, india and South Africa there"

"What makes you think any of those countries give a flying crap about Serbia?"

China has Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, Manchu and Yi regions.

Brazil has Sul and "República Riograndense"

India has Khalistan.

South Africa has Boere-Afrikaners.

All of the above are separatist movements within these countries. That is the reason why these countries do not support Kosovo's independence. Romania and Spain do not recognize due to their separatist movements as well.

No UN for Kosovo,no EU for Serbia. Keep the trash talking about Germany and a lot of that EU money will never reach Serbia.
(Mark, 12 December 2011 18:45)

No EU for 'Kosova' either. You've not been to Brussels or know anything about how europe works? That level of ignorance about europe usually comes from brits...

, under which Serbia would be represented as a full-fledged state and Kosovo in some "asymmetrical form ??
--??
SO PYG HEADED

(Danilo, 12 December 2011 21:53)

What strange statement as if the west considers Kosovo anything special apart from having a base there. How much of a flying crap has the west given to the Albanians in Kosovo? How many industries have they opened in Kosovo? Why there is even a US tire manufacturer opening its manufacturing facilities in Serbia, but not in little old Kosovo.

For your information China does give a lot about Serbia as it’s one piece of land not under NATO control. China is well aware that the long term plan was to expand NATO right up to the Chinese border and encircle both Russia and China – well that was the theory anyway (shows you what happens when you have US bunglers making the plans). Ask the Chinese how they lost Hong Kong……

On the issue of India, well read up on how they feel about the west, especially the so called Great Britain which ruled them for 100 years where they were treated as second class citizens in their own country. They have not forgotten even after all this time mate.

DanTheMan wrote:

"So the question that must be on every Serbs mind must be... How much longer can the West keep Kosovo afloat before it all comes crashing down. I mean, lets face it. The Western dominance of today is but a shadow of what it was during the 90s. Its clear to many, the tides are turning. They are slowly bleeding to death and at any moment (perhaps from a collapse of the Euro?) they might go into cardiac arrest. "

Let me see who is dying here:

Yesterday I read that Serbia has 377,000 less people when compared to 9 years ago and pretty soon will have ghost towns? Is it due to Serbia's prosperity? Not sure who is bleeding to death here.

Lol desperate times for Serbs.

Serbia would be represented as a full-fledged state and Kosovo in some "asymmetrical form."

Why would Albanians agree in something like this.
If this would have been acceptable for Kosovo Albanians they would have not declared Independence at all.
If, to be represented differently we would have declared "asymmetrical form" and not full Independence.

You know, one gets happy or disappointed based on what expectations are. And if you expect Albanians to agree on this you will be very much disappointed.

All of the above are separatist movements within these countries. That is the reason why these countries do not support Kosovo's independence. Romania and Spain do not recognize due to their separatist movements as well.
(Classick, 13 December 2011 04:55)

Of course, but Spain was very quick to dump Serbia after ICJ's opinion, by saying that Basque's case and Kosovo were totally unrelated even though little Vuk traveled half world to claim that if Kosovo were to become independent that would have been the end of the world :)