KFOR commander talks "organizers of violence"

He is just pulling at straws. What is he even doing in N.KiM? Who asked him to be there with his armed German bad boys acting as Thaci's enforcer? He is not status neutral, as he should be. Wonder how Merkel would react if she had foreign troops in Berlin giving her orders on how to behave? Wow, might is right is still in force, since the early empires. Nothing for millenniums has changed.

How is KFOR's investigation on killing of many KSerbs by Albanian nationalists going on?

For how long will you continue cuddling the perpetrators in northern Kosovo Herr General? Finish them off as soon as possible!

KFOR shooting at people's heads? Regardless of whether the bullets are rubber or live, that is attempted murder. Another european ideal or just an old jerman one?

How is KFOR's investigation on killing of many KSerbs by Albanian nationalists going on?
(aaayyy, 12 December 2011 14:58)

It cannot go on, just because KFOR never investigates in crimes unless they are committed against their own members - it's simply not part of its task in Kosovo.

The people responsible for this instability are sitting in Pristina, Brussels and other Western capitals. Attempting to change the reality on the ground is the problem and don't blame Serbs for putting yourselves in the firing line.

"KFOR shooting at people's heads? Regardless of whether the bullets are rubber or live, that is attempted murder."
(Aleks, 12 December 2011 16:26)

Maybe you should have read better: "Drews said that live ammunition was used "exclusively by those who confronted KFOR" and that KFOR soldiers' wounds were not caused by live ammunition only, but also came from "M75 hand grenades and Molotov cocktails".

To explain: "Exclusively by those who confronted KFOR" refers to some of the 'peaceful protesters' - two names have been mentioned in the article. And you are right, it can be called attempted murder. That why EULEX is asked to investigate against the culprits.

If you're looking for a suspect to arrest for violence, you should arrest yourself.

Funny! The 1244-rules-faction has never cared to actually read it. Otherwise you would know that KFOR is part of the deal.

KFOR should provide security for KSerbs south of the Ibar river or invite Ser police to to it, instead of just watching how Serbian enclaves are becoming ghettos.

"The violent attack at Jarinje was organized and headed by Zvonko Veselinović while the conflict at Jagnjenica was led and masterminded by his brother, Drews claimed on Monday, and added that KFOR 'has videos to support this claim'.

'The videos have been forwarded to EULEX which is closely cooperating with the Serbian authorities,' said he.

....

Drews said that live ammunition was used 'exclusively by those who confronted KFOR' and that KFOR soldiers' wounds were not caused by live ammunition only, but also came from 'M75 hand grenades and Molotov cocktails'.

He said that 'at least two grenades were thrown among KFOR soldiers and that some of them suffered burns while two soldiers, including the unit's commander, are still in hospital'."

If there are videos proving who instigated the violence, then there are also videos proving that M75s and Molotov cocktails were used. When do we get to see these? Why haven't we seen them already? Sounds a little suspicious to me. Every time we have these little confrontations, there are video cameras everywhere, even in the distance. They would at least show the sound of explosions.

I doubt that B92 will print what I would like to say to this Colonel Klink of KFOR. It is sufficient to say that neither he nor anyone there will dare touch these Serbs. He can send videos of my dead grandmother if he likes to Serb authorities but there is that huge gorilla sitting in the lounge room that we do not dare seek his name and status quo, status quo.

"If there are videos proving who instigated the violence, then there are also videos proving that M75s and Molotov cocktails were used. When do we get to see these? Why haven't we seen them already? Sounds a little suspicious to me. Every time we have these little confrontations, there are video cameras everywhere, even in the distance"
(Paul, 12 December 2011 22:49)

That's usual practice for police (and KFOR is comparable more to police than to an army in Kosovo) to make videos when riots can be expected to be able to identify the violent persons amongst 100s of protesters. Should these videos published on YouTube or what? As you can read: '"the videos have been forwarded to EULEX which is closely cooperating with the Serbian authorities"

KFOR should provide security for KSerbs south of the Ibar river or invite Ser police to to it, instead of just watching how Serbian enclaves are becoming ghettos.
(aaayyy, 12 December 2011 19:10)

Of course they will become ghettos if somebody starts to play with logs in the roads. At that point KFOR will intervene because people playing with logs in the roads hinder the freedom of movement.

KFOR used live ammunition against serbs. Doctors who treated the wounded serbs confirmed this. KFOR and Drews lied and have lied before. Using rubber bullets at close range and also at head level has nothing to do with 'riot control' nor is it allowed under any circumstances to be used by this as regardless of the bullet, at close range it can kill outright. KFOR started this and risked a major escalation by the use of soldiers in full body armor, unlike the Serbs. That they are incompetent and badly trained in riot control is not doubt, that is why police are normally used and not soldiers because soldiers tend to panic and massacre people, Bloody Sunday for example.

He is just pulling at straws. What is he even doing in N.KiM? Who asked him to be there
(Winston, 12 December 2011 14:51)

Dear Winston, in case you are not aware, there is a Resolution with number 1244 approved by the UNSC 12 years ago that is still in force...

It is sufficient to say that neither he nor anyone there will dare touch these Serbs. He can send videos of my dead grandmother if he likes to Serb authorities but there is that huge gorilla sitting in the lounge room that we do not dare seek his name and status quo, status quo.
(sj, 12 December 2011 22:31)

Of course he will not touch Serbs; they are strong supporters of KFOR and 1244; he will only touch some people playing with logs in the roads who make difficult the freedom of movement of Serbs to Serbia and viceversa.

And yes, it's status quo, status quo, status quo with Resolution 1244 still in force and Kosovo's UDI in accordance with it.

-The violent attack at Jarinje was organized and headed by Zvonko Veselinović while the conflict at Jagnjenica was led and masterminded by his brother, Drews claimed on Monday, and added that KFOR "has videos to support this claim"...-

This is not such new news. it has been known about Zvonko for some time. i sent a good link fr the n y times on this story a few weeks back, and it never appeared. hmm. seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, so to speak. here is another good link, from oct:
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2011/10/18/feature-01

as a recent article in Pescanik pointed out, the blgd regime encouraged all this (oh yes it did!) and then suddenly got caught w/ its pants down, so to speak.

and yes, as many of us have pointed out, this is sadly reminiscent of croatia (and bosnia)of the 90s and will not end well. it's already giving serbia a black eye around the world, keeping them from eu membership ascension, reminding the world all too clearly of the horrible 90s.

i am sure, just like from croatia and bosnia (despite "RS") many more kosovar serbs will end up in belgrade, and not terribly happy, a result of great shortsightedness. oh when will the madness end, and the milosevic era truly be over?? learn something, people!

ciao. roberto frisco

Then EULEX should investigate crimes committed on KSerbs and KFOR should provide security for EULEX so that EULEX isn't afraid of doing it.

Next EU condition for Serbia: send Zvonko Veselinović and his brother to Hague

Permission?????

Who gave permission to use live ammunition against Serbians on Serbian soil?

Of course he will not touch Serbs; they are strong supporters of KFOR and 1244; he will only touch some people playing with logs in the roads who make difficult the freedom of movement of Serbs to Serbia and viceversa.

And yes, it's status quo, status quo, status quo with Resolution 1244 still in force and Kosovo's UDI in accordance with it.
(icj1, 13 December 2011 03:47)

Why bother making comments when you know that every Albo was jumping for joy when KFOR started its so called retaking of northern Kosovo. Also 1244 is not something you Albos like either because it does not give you control over the region.

My point is that the local Serbs have scuttled all the negations between Belgrade and Pristina and for your information Serbs have many ways of going to the rest of Serbia mate.

Stagnation is something even the US is fearful of. Why do you think they tried that BS on in Russia?????? They know that the pot is boiling in Kosovo and the first to be targeted is the west. After screwing up their chances of controlling the Middle East, they tried North Africa, which looks like going the way of the Middle East; now the old battle axe Hilary went to Myanmar to see if they could bring freedom and democracy there after the Chinese KICKED the US out of the South China Sea.

Here is some fresh news for you – the Chinese are not going to allow the United States of Windbags to move there either.

"If there are videos proving who instigated the violence, then there are also videos proving that M75s and Molotov cocktails were used. When do we get to see these? Why haven't we seen them already? Sounds a little suspicious to me. Every time we have these little confrontations, there are video cameras everywhere, even in the distance"
(Paul, 12 December 2011 22:49)

That's usual practice for police (and KFOR is comparable more to police than to an army in Kosovo) to make videos when riots can be expected to be able to identify the violent persons amongst 100s of protesters. Should these videos published on YouTube or what? As you can read: '"the videos have been forwarded to EULEX which is closely cooperating with the Serbian authorities"
(Analyst, 13 December 2011 09:36)

Of course. But all the videos I've seen of incidents at these barriers have been made by somebody other than KFOR. Think of NATO in Lybia, everybody has a cell phone with a camera in it. And why shouldn't KFOR publish theirs on YouTube? KFOR is as aware as anyone that it has little credibility and making pronouncements like this with no confirmation from anyone doesn't help.

If there had been grenades tossed by Serbs at those barriers, I'm sure those who tossed them would be just as happy to see some record of their actions. The last video I saw on a barrier confrontation, the Serbs were throwing chunks of concrete. It was on video and you couldn't miss it. And it was shot from the Serbian side.

I don't think anyone was tossing any grenades from the Serbian side. But we did see proof that KFOR was tossing grenades, not fragmentary grenades, but we do see stuff going off on the Serbian side.

The Serbs are showing a lot of discipline, the concrete tossing was a rare exception to the general fortitude and steeled resolve that is usually seen in the videos. I'm guessing that somebody was disciplined locally and no actions from Belgrade were necessary. They are a very long way from escalating force against KFOR, much to KFOR's disapointment.

For how long will you continue cuddling the perpetrators in northern Kosovo Herr General? Finish them off as soon as possible!

He is just pulling at straws. What is he even doing in N.KiM? Who asked him to be there with his armed German bad boys acting as Thaci's enforcer? He is not status neutral, as he should be. Wonder how Merkel would react if she had foreign troops in Berlin giving her orders on how to behave? Wow, might is right is still in force, since the early empires. Nothing for millenniums has changed.

If you're looking for a suspect to arrest for violence, you should arrest yourself.

How is KFOR's investigation on killing of many KSerbs by Albanian nationalists going on?

KFOR shooting at people's heads? Regardless of whether the bullets are rubber or live, that is attempted murder. Another european ideal or just an old jerman one?

The people responsible for this instability are sitting in Pristina, Brussels and other Western capitals. Attempting to change the reality on the ground is the problem and don't blame Serbs for putting yourselves in the firing line.

KFOR used live ammunition against serbs. Doctors who treated the wounded serbs confirmed this. KFOR and Drews lied and have lied before. Using rubber bullets at close range and also at head level has nothing to do with 'riot control' nor is it allowed under any circumstances to be used by this as regardless of the bullet, at close range it can kill outright. KFOR started this and risked a major escalation by the use of soldiers in full body armor, unlike the Serbs. That they are incompetent and badly trained in riot control is not doubt, that is why police are normally used and not soldiers because soldiers tend to panic and massacre people, Bloody Sunday for example.

KFOR should provide security for KSerbs south of the Ibar river or invite Ser police to to it, instead of just watching how Serbian enclaves are becoming ghettos.

How is KFOR's investigation on killing of many KSerbs by Albanian nationalists going on?
(aaayyy, 12 December 2011 14:58)

It cannot go on, just because KFOR never investigates in crimes unless they are committed against their own members - it's simply not part of its task in Kosovo.

"KFOR shooting at people's heads? Regardless of whether the bullets are rubber or live, that is attempted murder."
(Aleks, 12 December 2011 16:26)

Maybe you should have read better: "Drews said that live ammunition was used "exclusively by those who confronted KFOR" and that KFOR soldiers' wounds were not caused by live ammunition only, but also came from "M75 hand grenades and Molotov cocktails".

To explain: "Exclusively by those who confronted KFOR" refers to some of the 'peaceful protesters' - two names have been mentioned in the article. And you are right, it can be called attempted murder. That why EULEX is asked to investigate against the culprits.

Funny! The 1244-rules-faction has never cared to actually read it. Otherwise you would know that KFOR is part of the deal.

I doubt that B92 will print what I would like to say to this Colonel Klink of KFOR. It is sufficient to say that neither he nor anyone there will dare touch these Serbs. He can send videos of my dead grandmother if he likes to Serb authorities but there is that huge gorilla sitting in the lounge room that we do not dare seek his name and status quo, status quo.

Then EULEX should investigate crimes committed on KSerbs and KFOR should provide security for EULEX so that EULEX isn't afraid of doing it.

Next EU condition for Serbia: send Zvonko Veselinović and his brother to Hague

Permission?????

Who gave permission to use live ammunition against Serbians on Serbian soil?

"The violent attack at Jarinje was organized and headed by Zvonko Veselinović while the conflict at Jagnjenica was led and masterminded by his brother, Drews claimed on Monday, and added that KFOR 'has videos to support this claim'.

'The videos have been forwarded to EULEX which is closely cooperating with the Serbian authorities,' said he.

....

Drews said that live ammunition was used 'exclusively by those who confronted KFOR' and that KFOR soldiers' wounds were not caused by live ammunition only, but also came from 'M75 hand grenades and Molotov cocktails'.

He said that 'at least two grenades were thrown among KFOR soldiers and that some of them suffered burns while two soldiers, including the unit's commander, are still in hospital'."

If there are videos proving who instigated the violence, then there are also videos proving that M75s and Molotov cocktails were used. When do we get to see these? Why haven't we seen them already? Sounds a little suspicious to me. Every time we have these little confrontations, there are video cameras everywhere, even in the distance. They would at least show the sound of explosions.

He is just pulling at straws. What is he even doing in N.KiM? Who asked him to be there
(Winston, 12 December 2011 14:51)

Dear Winston, in case you are not aware, there is a Resolution with number 1244 approved by the UNSC 12 years ago that is still in force...

KFOR should provide security for KSerbs south of the Ibar river or invite Ser police to to it, instead of just watching how Serbian enclaves are becoming ghettos.
(aaayyy, 12 December 2011 19:10)

Of course they will become ghettos if somebody starts to play with logs in the roads. At that point KFOR will intervene because people playing with logs in the roads hinder the freedom of movement.

It is sufficient to say that neither he nor anyone there will dare touch these Serbs. He can send videos of my dead grandmother if he likes to Serb authorities but there is that huge gorilla sitting in the lounge room that we do not dare seek his name and status quo, status quo.
(sj, 12 December 2011 22:31)

Of course he will not touch Serbs; they are strong supporters of KFOR and 1244; he will only touch some people playing with logs in the roads who make difficult the freedom of movement of Serbs to Serbia and viceversa.

And yes, it's status quo, status quo, status quo with Resolution 1244 still in force and Kosovo's UDI in accordance with it.

Of course he will not touch Serbs; they are strong supporters of KFOR and 1244; he will only touch some people playing with logs in the roads who make difficult the freedom of movement of Serbs to Serbia and viceversa.

And yes, it's status quo, status quo, status quo with Resolution 1244 still in force and Kosovo's UDI in accordance with it.
(icj1, 13 December 2011 03:47)

Why bother making comments when you know that every Albo was jumping for joy when KFOR started its so called retaking of northern Kosovo. Also 1244 is not something you Albos like either because it does not give you control over the region.

My point is that the local Serbs have scuttled all the negations between Belgrade and Pristina and for your information Serbs have many ways of going to the rest of Serbia mate.

Stagnation is something even the US is fearful of. Why do you think they tried that BS on in Russia?????? They know that the pot is boiling in Kosovo and the first to be targeted is the west. After screwing up their chances of controlling the Middle East, they tried North Africa, which looks like going the way of the Middle East; now the old battle axe Hilary went to Myanmar to see if they could bring freedom and democracy there after the Chinese KICKED the US out of the South China Sea.

Here is some fresh news for you – the Chinese are not going to allow the United States of Windbags to move there either.

"If there are videos proving who instigated the violence, then there are also videos proving that M75s and Molotov cocktails were used. When do we get to see these? Why haven't we seen them already? Sounds a little suspicious to me. Every time we have these little confrontations, there are video cameras everywhere, even in the distance"
(Paul, 12 December 2011 22:49)

That's usual practice for police (and KFOR is comparable more to police than to an army in Kosovo) to make videos when riots can be expected to be able to identify the violent persons amongst 100s of protesters. Should these videos published on YouTube or what? As you can read: '"the videos have been forwarded to EULEX which is closely cooperating with the Serbian authorities"
(Analyst, 13 December 2011 09:36)

Of course. But all the videos I've seen of incidents at these barriers have been made by somebody other than KFOR. Think of NATO in Lybia, everybody has a cell phone with a camera in it. And why shouldn't KFOR publish theirs on YouTube? KFOR is as aware as anyone that it has little credibility and making pronouncements like this with no confirmation from anyone doesn't help.

If there had been grenades tossed by Serbs at those barriers, I'm sure those who tossed them would be just as happy to see some record of their actions. The last video I saw on a barrier confrontation, the Serbs were throwing chunks of concrete. It was on video and you couldn't miss it. And it was shot from the Serbian side.

I don't think anyone was tossing any grenades from the Serbian side. But we did see proof that KFOR was tossing grenades, not fragmentary grenades, but we do see stuff going off on the Serbian side.

The Serbs are showing a lot of discipline, the concrete tossing was a rare exception to the general fortitude and steeled resolve that is usually seen in the videos. I'm guessing that somebody was disciplined locally and no actions from Belgrade were necessary. They are a very long way from escalating force against KFOR, much to KFOR's disapointment.

-The violent attack at Jarinje was organized and headed by Zvonko Veselinović while the conflict at Jagnjenica was led and masterminded by his brother, Drews claimed on Monday, and added that KFOR "has videos to support this claim"...-

This is not such new news. it has been known about Zvonko for some time. i sent a good link fr the n y times on this story a few weeks back, and it never appeared. hmm. seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, so to speak. here is another good link, from oct:
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2011/10/18/feature-01

as a recent article in Pescanik pointed out, the blgd regime encouraged all this (oh yes it did!) and then suddenly got caught w/ its pants down, so to speak.

and yes, as many of us have pointed out, this is sadly reminiscent of croatia (and bosnia)of the 90s and will not end well. it's already giving serbia a black eye around the world, keeping them from eu membership ascension, reminding the world all too clearly of the horrible 90s.

i am sure, just like from croatia and bosnia (despite "RS") many more kosovar serbs will end up in belgrade, and not terribly happy, a result of great shortsightedness. oh when will the madness end, and the milosevic era truly be over?? learn something, people!

ciao. roberto frisco

"If there are videos proving who instigated the violence, then there are also videos proving that M75s and Molotov cocktails were used. When do we get to see these? Why haven't we seen them already? Sounds a little suspicious to me. Every time we have these little confrontations, there are video cameras everywhere, even in the distance"
(Paul, 12 December 2011 22:49)

That's usual practice for police (and KFOR is comparable more to police than to an army in Kosovo) to make videos when riots can be expected to be able to identify the violent persons amongst 100s of protesters. Should these videos published on YouTube or what? As you can read: '"the videos have been forwarded to EULEX which is closely cooperating with the Serbian authorities"