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Sunday, 11.12.2011.

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Serbia's future "only in EU", says Tadić

Boris Tadić said on Sunday in Belgrade that Serbia's future was "exclusively in the EU", and that "that was the only place to solve the issue of Kosovo".

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Ratko

pre 12 godina

@ Gnjilanac

Your plan from the start was to steal Kosmet don't write fairytales. And if you hate Serbs so much why are albanians today applying for Serbian passports? Don't worry we will have our time again even though it may take a long time. btw how many Serbs are left in Gnjilane?

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"Maybe this statement might explain your anti Serb fascist state of mind. "

I'm responding to someone calling for ethnic cleansing and you're calling ME a fascist?

What's the matter with you?

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"We have accepted Yugoslavia as our country but not Serbia."

Actually Albanians didn't accept Yugoslavia as their country either. They had opportunity to govern Kosovo in Tito time and they made Serbian population leave Kosovo. That was the reason why Serbian army entered Kosovo back then.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Serbia would be best of with a Kosovo without "the millions of criminals" (OK, it is not that bad). Kosovo would immediately turn into a bright and enlightened place, like in the pre-Ottoman and pre-Albanian periods.
(Milan, 12 December 2011 01:11)

Wwaauu “bright and enlightened place”. Have you been in such place Milan? Send us some pictures : I’m joking man. I suggest to you to build such a place in Serbia. After that maybe I vote that Kosova pass to Serbia ownership. Consider my suggestion, so your idealist energy can help Serbia. Another thing don’t prejudge the others if were millions of criminals in Kosova this is an atomic bomb not only for Serbia but for all Europe. Make some Albanian friends and you will understand that they are people with value and one small part of them like in all the other nations are criminals.

Gnjilanac

pre 12 godina

@ Ratko:
No Ratko, you are so wrong.
Do you think, we became crazy from being to well treated?!!!
I will tell you:
Albanian were "hunted" all the time, we were beaten just because we had index (student book) in our pocket, we were expelled from schools, expelled from factories, Belgrade was deciding on behalf of Albanians, Belgrade had to stamp a approval for renting a a "business shop", we had (and I say HAD) to pay all bills (electricity, tax, sps "voluntary donation" etc etc) otherwise special unit forces would have payed you a visit immediately, we were not allowed to visit Albania (if we would have done so, special treatment was guarantied (up to 20 years) and many many many other facts.
And again you are wrong saying the world was populated by Albanians, that was not the case ever but I guess the existing Albanians in your mind were so much, like being everywhere in the whole world.
Did Albanians accept Serbia as their country?
Here is the answer:
We have accepted Yugoslavia as our country but not Serbia. Why?!!! Very simply, Serbia did never consider us as their citizens.
Explanation: If you have family, if you have kids try this: Divide one of the kids and do not except him as part of your family and see what will happen. He/she will start to prepare for INDEPENDENT life and will walk away from you. Its very simple, just try to understand.
Same happened with Albanians in Kosovo. Serbia wanted Kosovo but without Albanians in there. What was else to be done by our side in order to remain and continue living here.
Be independent or leave.
We choose the first one.
By what you wrote you just do not convince me you ever lived in Kosovo or at least you never had any open relation with any Albanian so you would be able to check if they have been paying bills and taxes etc etc.
But never mind, if you have chosen to live with this way of thinking, do so, just don't try to convince me in something I am well aware of.
I paid my taxes ALWAYS, I was beaten by a police officer just because I was student (I have never been in any demonstrations) and I have seen from my windows very often how Albanians have been getting special treatment behind "picigaurra policiskih snaga" (police "special" vehicle).
Majority of Serbian citizens never saw that.
Normal human been will never believe that could have happened but did we have anything normal here. Of course not and that's why we are where we are now.

With all respect,
Gnjilanac

trizo

pre 12 godina

If I were religious, I would pray for humanity.
(Danilo, 12 December 2011 22:03)

Maybe this statement might explain your anti Serb fascist state of mind.

It is however known all through Europe that Albanians & turks have a reputation for being involved in criminal organisations, drugs, people trafficking.

Albanians don't want to live in peace with Serbians, they burn our churches and flags etc.. Serbs don't want to live under Albanian governance either.

Any solutions?

I think I have the solution where the Albanians can live in peace & the Serbs can remain at home in Kosovo.

I present the Albanians with proposal of peace & serenity..
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/news/kepscicon-briefing.html

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"I'm afraid there cannot be peace until you leave. You have brought terrible demons with you and it is ruining our society."


Absolutely unbelievable that, in today's world, you can have someone living in Australia, sincerely advocating ethnic cleansing of people from their homeland.

I honestly think that this is evidence that there is something seriously, fundamentally wrong and poisonous in Serbian culture where it's possible to produce this result.

If someone would care to prove me wrong, I'm all ears. But, notice, that this wannabe ethnic cleanser, this wannabe thug, is getting thumbs-up.

I have to go wash my eyes with bleach now. If I were religious, I would pray for humanity.

winston

pre 12 godina

Why, Bolan? We have so many more avenues than the crippling EU. Tadic, do you read any of the financial papers that I do? They say that that the EU is in very poor financial shape. Do you really think that the EU wants more broke and dependent countries to join then at this time? PLEASE, Mr. Tadic, stop the crap. You have only one agenda, and that one is not going to happen anytime soon. Can we please hear an alternate plan - or get out of the way.

Leo

pre 12 godina

This has become a sick joke. What "EU" can any rational being possibly argue would even exist in the now near future? Serbia was never getting in the "EU" which by the way no longer exists. Get over it. Croatia is never joining an actual "EU" either. Tadic is now mentally insane. Germany's latest farce over the weekend has only led to a further collapse in European markets this morning. Do Serbia's pro-EU dopes enjoy being wrong and stupid ALL THE TIME. Germany and France are about to lose AAA credit rating. GROW UP NOW.

Ratko

pre 12 godina

@ Gnjilanac

And how were those 'non-Serbs' treated in Kosmet? I do recall those years and I remember how albanians had rights like everyone else but never accepted Serbia as their country. They never paid any bills to the state and all they did is complain and protest anything Serbian. Yes yes once upon a time the whole world was populated by albanians and they came from space and all the land was albanian.

Gnjilanac

pre 12 godina

To: Ari Gold
While reading your post, I try to believe your honesty. And guess what?!!! I am somehow convinced that you are trying very hard to be good person. But, the problem is, you same as many others in Serbia are still under some strange hypnoses. Until this is pushed away you are not expected to think different from what you have stated above.
If you would have lived in Kosovo before 1999, during 1999 and after 1999 you would have seen by your self how non Serbs were treated and than you would have posted here totally different opinions.
Only than you would have been able not to believe in stories you have written here. In one I agree with you 100%. Not all Albanians have lived for always in Kosovo. A huge number came to Kosovo, expelled from Serbia proper. Villages with Albanians population have existed all around Nis and there are no more Albanians there. So, yes, they came to Kosovo looking for place to save their heads. Now you want them out from Kosovo, direction Albania. If this will ever happen, will you ask them to move again? And again, maybe in this second earth which was "seen" in horizon?
Wake up, read more, read from more sides and build your own opinion and than share it with dignity with others but initially try to release you self from the hypnoses you are in... Believe me, it is good for you, does not make any difference for me. Neither me neither you are able to change anything in this issue (Kosovo-Serbia issue). We are just giving our opinions in here, but for a difference, you are pushing here with something you were "filled" by Milosevic & Co propaganda. Create your own opinion by reading and checking facts. You will only than be better respected.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

I wonder if it is possible for Serbs to distribute leaflets among KFOR troops.

Do any of you know any KFOR forum? Let's try to enlighten them, seriously.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

You guys keep blaming Tadic I still feel that he is a very good politician the best in the balkans. I don't see how you or any of your chosen extremist one would have handeled this situation better without a war. I tell you one think if tadic does not win you better have some room in your house for the reamaining serbs left in kosovo. Most of people here keep making coments about Kosovo as if you have any power at all. Tell me one think how is your next president will handle kosovo problem and you can pick the most radical one.Well let me guess for you a war??? My friends you live in a global world you can't survive alone these days and trust me when I say you are alone no Russia or china will care much for you or anyone but there interest.
(Tony.B, 12 December 2011 02:55)

Some people believe Serbia could negotiate with KFOR for Serbian police to return to Northern Kosovo.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

To everyone and especially Albanians on this site just know that I wish death on nobody and would feel terrible if a civilian from any side was murdered for just living in a disputed area.

My view is that if Serbs in what a communist dictator decided was Croatia (even though Serbs there have always lived with Serbia and have never before him considered where they live as apart of Croatia, neither did Croatians) were kicked out of the only homes they know with no connection to central Serbia then Albanians in Kosovo (especially Kosovo) Crna Gora and FYROM can be kicked out too.

Its nothing racist, but Albanians outside of Albania only bring organized crime through extracted Serbian organs, heroin and child prostitutes. Krajina Serbs simply fought to remain governed by Belgrade which it completely borders and it was completely criminal to expel them.

I'm sorry, I honestly want peace and to rebuild my country into a decent place to live. I know you want this too but I'm afraid there cannot be peace until you leave. You have brought terrible demons with you and it is ruining our society.

Luigi

pre 12 godina

Can someone explain me the policy of both EU and Kosovo while saying that Eu is a dogma and Serbia will never recognize indipendence of Kosovo ?...practically is a Ossimoro...

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

Mr. Tadic! just tell this to your friend Mrs. Merkel that Kosovo province is not a bagaining chip and Serbia's territorial integrity and sovereighnty is non-negotiable.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)

The Kosovo you have created, yes absolutely. The Kosovo we take back from you will be rebuilt into the respectable religious community it always was before Albanians came with heroin and child prostitution.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Tadic sounds more and more like he doesn't know what he is talking about and is just trying to think of new things to say.

Serbs have been living within & with less than their means for lengthy periods of time, I think our citizens in Kosovo should come before some stupid ojective of European Union membership which would not occur for another 6 years at least (given we get candidate status).

We have free trade in Europe & we already get funding from the ECB.

Kosovo is more important because it is our land and our people who are suffering there. It's shameful that they can be robbed, murdered and intimidated while Tadic has the nerve to tell them the "economy" is more important than them.

Why join a club where we are not wanted? How embarrassing.

At least we should have the dignity to announce on a national level that we are not inferior and we won't accept the games that have been played with us. Just empty statements and no results. Even the European Commission said we should get status but who are they??

Stick together Serbs.....................

Milan

pre 12 godina

"But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)"

Serbia would be best of with a Kosovo without "the millions of criminals" (OK, it is not that bad). Kosovo would immediately turn into a bright and enlightened place, like in the pre-Ottoman and pre-Albanian periods.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)

And what do you suggest KSerbs to do? To accept Albanian dictatorship or to leave Kosovo?

deki

pre 12 godina

its true you dont need eu membership to get contracts. however eu can help bigger contracts that result in better econonic situation for all minus the nationalists who.will be saved by god lol

icj1

pre 12 godina

The point is Tadic, my awkward friend..Serbia doesn't get anything economical by allowing Kosovo to be completely stripped away. The people see that now, you are full of it and have no more legitimacy.

Gotov si Tadicu !
(Ari Gold, 11 December 2011 18:38)


But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 12 godina

Tadic is right, if serbias economy was efficient, and the Albanians of kosovo had sufficient economic security, I'm sure the ugly snake would not have reared it's head..

Tadic knows he can't go to war over Kosovo. The only option is economic reapproachment via economic means.. Or partition.

That's thing I can't stand about Balkan mentatlity, whinge whinge but know one can come up with a tangible option.. Hence I don't think Tadic is as big as a traitor as he is made out to be, after all he didn't start the fire..

Ataman

pre 12 godina

"President: Economy more important than Kosovo"

Economy could solve many things about Kosovo, the problem is I do not see the current politics solves anything with the economy. Except selling out the country. This is not the solution so what Berisha Tadiqi does face: neither economy, nor Kosovo. And in connection with that: neither E.U. nor Russia. That did work for Tito to some degree but Tadiqi is not Tito. Today Tito is of course a dinosaur... but the other is a fly.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

I Quote -

President: Economy more important than Kosovo

comment -

The Serbian People is more important than Economy.

CCCC !!!.

Arn.Sweden.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"The economic issue is the biggest problem because it solves all other issues"

That's what the albanians said. They invested their hard earned money (drug-, human- trafficing, extortion, organ harvesting etc) into paying half of Europe and American into recognizing their narco state. Perhaps Serbia should have invested in bribes and hookers for Europes finest rather then expencive bridges over the Danube so that our barely running Yugos may pass.

Zirb

pre 12 godina

Matthew 26:14-16: "Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him."

ZZ

pre 12 godina

The cultural wealth of Kosovo-Metohija is well known but it also contains natural resources and mineral wealth that western enterprises would like to acquire at no cost. This wealth belongs to the citizens of Serbia. Protect it and use the proceeds to develope other areas of your economy. The mercenary armies aren't planted there for the sunshine. To know the truth, follow the money trail!

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

The point is Tadic, my awkward friend..Serbia doesn't get anything economical by allowing Kosovo to be completely stripped away. The people see that now, you are full of it and have no more legitimacy.

Gotov si Tadicu !

Stefan

pre 12 godina

Economy > everything else when it comes to public governance and order. All countries, whether large mega-empires like the Roman Empire (which collapsed simply because it was too big to financially manage effectively) or small ones like Serbia NEED to have their fiscal houses in order if there's to be any stability. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing - a nice, comfortable life for ourselves and our families, and the ability to improve our livelihoods and follow our desires without many financial limitations. It's what compels a lot of life-influencing decision-making for individuals, and it's the exact same with states. I mean, look at the US - how much foreign investor confidence do they have considering their lack of PROPER solvency and level of foreign debt? Yet their presidential candidates still have the audacity to complain about crap like abortion and the importance of marriage infidelity to a presidential candidate, lol.

I disagree with Tadic, though, that EU = great economy for Serbia. Serbia has a free-trade pact in place with the European economies, and that's enough to foment any level of trade between Serbian entrepreneurs, investors and companies to those in the European Union. That won't rapidly increase simply because Serbia is a member of a certain exclusive club of nations of European nations. Five years ago, it would have, given the mindset that European Union automatically meant that your country was stable and worthy of investment (look at how many investment banks shored up Greek bonds so easily), but I think now that's pretty much disappeared and won't come back, even when the EU and the euro recovers (which it will). As such, there's neither a strategic nor an economic benefit to Serbia joining the EU.

But, yes, economy is incredibly important. If a Kosovar Albanian thinks he'd be richer living in Serbia than Kosovo, all other variables aside, he'd move to Serbia without haste.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

Tadic is right. Citizens living in Belgrade and Vojvodina are doing good economically, but the rest of population outside the above-mentioned places are in dire situation.
If you take a trip to Kragujevac or Krajlevo, you will see how bad citizens of Serbia are doing, yet K-Serbs get double pay and still complain as ordered by Belgrade.

Joe A

pre 12 godina

A good economy requires investment (either national or foreign), production, export and trade relations (like the free trade agreement with Russia). You don't need EU membership for that. WTO membership would do nicely (although that is probaby also not in reach yet). The added advantage is that you keep your sovereignty.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

The point is Tadic, my awkward friend..Serbia doesn't get anything economical by allowing Kosovo to be completely stripped away. The people see that now, you are full of it and have no more legitimacy.

Gotov si Tadicu !

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

Tadic is right. Citizens living in Belgrade and Vojvodina are doing good economically, but the rest of population outside the above-mentioned places are in dire situation.
If you take a trip to Kragujevac or Krajlevo, you will see how bad citizens of Serbia are doing, yet K-Serbs get double pay and still complain as ordered by Belgrade.

Joe A

pre 12 godina

A good economy requires investment (either national or foreign), production, export and trade relations (like the free trade agreement with Russia). You don't need EU membership for that. WTO membership would do nicely (although that is probaby also not in reach yet). The added advantage is that you keep your sovereignty.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)

The Kosovo you have created, yes absolutely. The Kosovo we take back from you will be rebuilt into the respectable religious community it always was before Albanians came with heroin and child prostitution.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"The economic issue is the biggest problem because it solves all other issues"

That's what the albanians said. They invested their hard earned money (drug-, human- trafficing, extortion, organ harvesting etc) into paying half of Europe and American into recognizing their narco state. Perhaps Serbia should have invested in bribes and hookers for Europes finest rather then expencive bridges over the Danube so that our barely running Yugos may pass.

ZZ

pre 12 godina

The cultural wealth of Kosovo-Metohija is well known but it also contains natural resources and mineral wealth that western enterprises would like to acquire at no cost. This wealth belongs to the citizens of Serbia. Protect it and use the proceeds to develope other areas of your economy. The mercenary armies aren't planted there for the sunshine. To know the truth, follow the money trail!

Stefan

pre 12 godina

Economy > everything else when it comes to public governance and order. All countries, whether large mega-empires like the Roman Empire (which collapsed simply because it was too big to financially manage effectively) or small ones like Serbia NEED to have their fiscal houses in order if there's to be any stability. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing - a nice, comfortable life for ourselves and our families, and the ability to improve our livelihoods and follow our desires without many financial limitations. It's what compels a lot of life-influencing decision-making for individuals, and it's the exact same with states. I mean, look at the US - how much foreign investor confidence do they have considering their lack of PROPER solvency and level of foreign debt? Yet their presidential candidates still have the audacity to complain about crap like abortion and the importance of marriage infidelity to a presidential candidate, lol.

I disagree with Tadic, though, that EU = great economy for Serbia. Serbia has a free-trade pact in place with the European economies, and that's enough to foment any level of trade between Serbian entrepreneurs, investors and companies to those in the European Union. That won't rapidly increase simply because Serbia is a member of a certain exclusive club of nations of European nations. Five years ago, it would have, given the mindset that European Union automatically meant that your country was stable and worthy of investment (look at how many investment banks shored up Greek bonds so easily), but I think now that's pretty much disappeared and won't come back, even when the EU and the euro recovers (which it will). As such, there's neither a strategic nor an economic benefit to Serbia joining the EU.

But, yes, economy is incredibly important. If a Kosovar Albanian thinks he'd be richer living in Serbia than Kosovo, all other variables aside, he'd move to Serbia without haste.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

To everyone and especially Albanians on this site just know that I wish death on nobody and would feel terrible if a civilian from any side was murdered for just living in a disputed area.

My view is that if Serbs in what a communist dictator decided was Croatia (even though Serbs there have always lived with Serbia and have never before him considered where they live as apart of Croatia, neither did Croatians) were kicked out of the only homes they know with no connection to central Serbia then Albanians in Kosovo (especially Kosovo) Crna Gora and FYROM can be kicked out too.

Its nothing racist, but Albanians outside of Albania only bring organized crime through extracted Serbian organs, heroin and child prostitutes. Krajina Serbs simply fought to remain governed by Belgrade which it completely borders and it was completely criminal to expel them.

I'm sorry, I honestly want peace and to rebuild my country into a decent place to live. I know you want this too but I'm afraid there cannot be peace until you leave. You have brought terrible demons with you and it is ruining our society.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

I Quote -

President: Economy more important than Kosovo

comment -

The Serbian People is more important than Economy.

CCCC !!!.

Arn.Sweden.

Zirb

pre 12 godina

Matthew 26:14-16: "Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him."

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

Mr. Tadic! just tell this to your friend Mrs. Merkel that Kosovo province is not a bagaining chip and Serbia's territorial integrity and sovereighnty is non-negotiable.

Leo

pre 12 godina

This has become a sick joke. What "EU" can any rational being possibly argue would even exist in the now near future? Serbia was never getting in the "EU" which by the way no longer exists. Get over it. Croatia is never joining an actual "EU" either. Tadic is now mentally insane. Germany's latest farce over the weekend has only led to a further collapse in European markets this morning. Do Serbia's pro-EU dopes enjoy being wrong and stupid ALL THE TIME. Germany and France are about to lose AAA credit rating. GROW UP NOW.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Tadic sounds more and more like he doesn't know what he is talking about and is just trying to think of new things to say.

Serbs have been living within & with less than their means for lengthy periods of time, I think our citizens in Kosovo should come before some stupid ojective of European Union membership which would not occur for another 6 years at least (given we get candidate status).

We have free trade in Europe & we already get funding from the ECB.

Kosovo is more important because it is our land and our people who are suffering there. It's shameful that they can be robbed, murdered and intimidated while Tadic has the nerve to tell them the "economy" is more important than them.

Why join a club where we are not wanted? How embarrassing.

At least we should have the dignity to announce on a national level that we are not inferior and we won't accept the games that have been played with us. Just empty statements and no results. Even the European Commission said we should get status but who are they??

Stick together Serbs.....................

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 12 godina

Tadic is right, if serbias economy was efficient, and the Albanians of kosovo had sufficient economic security, I'm sure the ugly snake would not have reared it's head..

Tadic knows he can't go to war over Kosovo. The only option is economic reapproachment via economic means.. Or partition.

That's thing I can't stand about Balkan mentatlity, whinge whinge but know one can come up with a tangible option.. Hence I don't think Tadic is as big as a traitor as he is made out to be, after all he didn't start the fire..

Ratko

pre 12 godina

@ Gnjilanac

And how were those 'non-Serbs' treated in Kosmet? I do recall those years and I remember how albanians had rights like everyone else but never accepted Serbia as their country. They never paid any bills to the state and all they did is complain and protest anything Serbian. Yes yes once upon a time the whole world was populated by albanians and they came from space and all the land was albanian.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

"President: Economy more important than Kosovo"

Economy could solve many things about Kosovo, the problem is I do not see the current politics solves anything with the economy. Except selling out the country. This is not the solution so what Berisha Tadiqi does face: neither economy, nor Kosovo. And in connection with that: neither E.U. nor Russia. That did work for Tito to some degree but Tadiqi is not Tito. Today Tito is of course a dinosaur... but the other is a fly.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)"

Serbia would be best of with a Kosovo without "the millions of criminals" (OK, it is not that bad). Kosovo would immediately turn into a bright and enlightened place, like in the pre-Ottoman and pre-Albanian periods.

Luigi

pre 12 godina

Can someone explain me the policy of both EU and Kosovo while saying that Eu is a dogma and Serbia will never recognize indipendence of Kosovo ?...practically is a Ossimoro...

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

You guys keep blaming Tadic I still feel that he is a very good politician the best in the balkans. I don't see how you or any of your chosen extremist one would have handeled this situation better without a war. I tell you one think if tadic does not win you better have some room in your house for the reamaining serbs left in kosovo. Most of people here keep making coments about Kosovo as if you have any power at all. Tell me one think how is your next president will handle kosovo problem and you can pick the most radical one.Well let me guess for you a war??? My friends you live in a global world you can't survive alone these days and trust me when I say you are alone no Russia or china will care much for you or anyone but there interest.
(Tony.B, 12 December 2011 02:55)

Some people believe Serbia could negotiate with KFOR for Serbian police to return to Northern Kosovo.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The point is Tadic, my awkward friend..Serbia doesn't get anything economical by allowing Kosovo to be completely stripped away. The people see that now, you are full of it and have no more legitimacy.

Gotov si Tadicu !
(Ari Gold, 11 December 2011 18:38)


But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"I'm afraid there cannot be peace until you leave. You have brought terrible demons with you and it is ruining our society."


Absolutely unbelievable that, in today's world, you can have someone living in Australia, sincerely advocating ethnic cleansing of people from their homeland.

I honestly think that this is evidence that there is something seriously, fundamentally wrong and poisonous in Serbian culture where it's possible to produce this result.

If someone would care to prove me wrong, I'm all ears. But, notice, that this wannabe ethnic cleanser, this wannabe thug, is getting thumbs-up.

I have to go wash my eyes with bleach now. If I were religious, I would pray for humanity.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)

And what do you suggest KSerbs to do? To accept Albanian dictatorship or to leave Kosovo?

Gnjilanac

pre 12 godina

To: Ari Gold
While reading your post, I try to believe your honesty. And guess what?!!! I am somehow convinced that you are trying very hard to be good person. But, the problem is, you same as many others in Serbia are still under some strange hypnoses. Until this is pushed away you are not expected to think different from what you have stated above.
If you would have lived in Kosovo before 1999, during 1999 and after 1999 you would have seen by your self how non Serbs were treated and than you would have posted here totally different opinions.
Only than you would have been able not to believe in stories you have written here. In one I agree with you 100%. Not all Albanians have lived for always in Kosovo. A huge number came to Kosovo, expelled from Serbia proper. Villages with Albanians population have existed all around Nis and there are no more Albanians there. So, yes, they came to Kosovo looking for place to save their heads. Now you want them out from Kosovo, direction Albania. If this will ever happen, will you ask them to move again? And again, maybe in this second earth which was "seen" in horizon?
Wake up, read more, read from more sides and build your own opinion and than share it with dignity with others but initially try to release you self from the hypnoses you are in... Believe me, it is good for you, does not make any difference for me. Neither me neither you are able to change anything in this issue (Kosovo-Serbia issue). We are just giving our opinions in here, but for a difference, you are pushing here with something you were "filled" by Milosevic & Co propaganda. Create your own opinion by reading and checking facts. You will only than be better respected.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

I wonder if it is possible for Serbs to distribute leaflets among KFOR troops.

Do any of you know any KFOR forum? Let's try to enlighten them, seriously.

winston

pre 12 godina

Why, Bolan? We have so many more avenues than the crippling EU. Tadic, do you read any of the financial papers that I do? They say that that the EU is in very poor financial shape. Do you really think that the EU wants more broke and dependent countries to join then at this time? PLEASE, Mr. Tadic, stop the crap. You have only one agenda, and that one is not going to happen anytime soon. Can we please hear an alternate plan - or get out of the way.

Gnjilanac

pre 12 godina

@ Ratko:
No Ratko, you are so wrong.
Do you think, we became crazy from being to well treated?!!!
I will tell you:
Albanian were "hunted" all the time, we were beaten just because we had index (student book) in our pocket, we were expelled from schools, expelled from factories, Belgrade was deciding on behalf of Albanians, Belgrade had to stamp a approval for renting a a "business shop", we had (and I say HAD) to pay all bills (electricity, tax, sps "voluntary donation" etc etc) otherwise special unit forces would have payed you a visit immediately, we were not allowed to visit Albania (if we would have done so, special treatment was guarantied (up to 20 years) and many many many other facts.
And again you are wrong saying the world was populated by Albanians, that was not the case ever but I guess the existing Albanians in your mind were so much, like being everywhere in the whole world.
Did Albanians accept Serbia as their country?
Here is the answer:
We have accepted Yugoslavia as our country but not Serbia. Why?!!! Very simply, Serbia did never consider us as their citizens.
Explanation: If you have family, if you have kids try this: Divide one of the kids and do not except him as part of your family and see what will happen. He/she will start to prepare for INDEPENDENT life and will walk away from you. Its very simple, just try to understand.
Same happened with Albanians in Kosovo. Serbia wanted Kosovo but without Albanians in there. What was else to be done by our side in order to remain and continue living here.
Be independent or leave.
We choose the first one.
By what you wrote you just do not convince me you ever lived in Kosovo or at least you never had any open relation with any Albanian so you would be able to check if they have been paying bills and taxes etc etc.
But never mind, if you have chosen to live with this way of thinking, do so, just don't try to convince me in something I am well aware of.
I paid my taxes ALWAYS, I was beaten by a police officer just because I was student (I have never been in any demonstrations) and I have seen from my windows very often how Albanians have been getting special treatment behind "picigaurra policiskih snaga" (police "special" vehicle).
Majority of Serbian citizens never saw that.
Normal human been will never believe that could have happened but did we have anything normal here. Of course not and that's why we are where we are now.

With all respect,
Gnjilanac

deki

pre 12 godina

its true you dont need eu membership to get contracts. however eu can help bigger contracts that result in better econonic situation for all minus the nationalists who.will be saved by god lol

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"We have accepted Yugoslavia as our country but not Serbia."

Actually Albanians didn't accept Yugoslavia as their country either. They had opportunity to govern Kosovo in Tito time and they made Serbian population leave Kosovo. That was the reason why Serbian army entered Kosovo back then.

trizo

pre 12 godina

If I were religious, I would pray for humanity.
(Danilo, 12 December 2011 22:03)

Maybe this statement might explain your anti Serb fascist state of mind.

It is however known all through Europe that Albanians & turks have a reputation for being involved in criminal organisations, drugs, people trafficking.

Albanians don't want to live in peace with Serbians, they burn our churches and flags etc.. Serbs don't want to live under Albanian governance either.

Any solutions?

I think I have the solution where the Albanians can live in peace & the Serbs can remain at home in Kosovo.

I present the Albanians with proposal of peace & serenity..
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/news/kepscicon-briefing.html

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"Maybe this statement might explain your anti Serb fascist state of mind. "

I'm responding to someone calling for ethnic cleansing and you're calling ME a fascist?

What's the matter with you?

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Serbia would be best of with a Kosovo without "the millions of criminals" (OK, it is not that bad). Kosovo would immediately turn into a bright and enlightened place, like in the pre-Ottoman and pre-Albanian periods.
(Milan, 12 December 2011 01:11)

Wwaauu “bright and enlightened place”. Have you been in such place Milan? Send us some pictures : I’m joking man. I suggest to you to build such a place in Serbia. After that maybe I vote that Kosova pass to Serbia ownership. Consider my suggestion, so your idealist energy can help Serbia. Another thing don’t prejudge the others if were millions of criminals in Kosova this is an atomic bomb not only for Serbia but for all Europe. Make some Albanian friends and you will understand that they are people with value and one small part of them like in all the other nations are criminals.

Ratko

pre 12 godina

@ Gnjilanac

Your plan from the start was to steal Kosmet don't write fairytales. And if you hate Serbs so much why are albanians today applying for Serbian passports? Don't worry we will have our time again even though it may take a long time. btw how many Serbs are left in Gnjilane?

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

Tadic is right. Citizens living in Belgrade and Vojvodina are doing good economically, but the rest of population outside the above-mentioned places are in dire situation.
If you take a trip to Kragujevac or Krajlevo, you will see how bad citizens of Serbia are doing, yet K-Serbs get double pay and still complain as ordered by Belgrade.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The point is Tadic, my awkward friend..Serbia doesn't get anything economical by allowing Kosovo to be completely stripped away. The people see that now, you are full of it and have no more legitimacy.

Gotov si Tadicu !
(Ari Gold, 11 December 2011 18:38)


But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.

Gnjilanac

pre 12 godina

To: Ari Gold
While reading your post, I try to believe your honesty. And guess what?!!! I am somehow convinced that you are trying very hard to be good person. But, the problem is, you same as many others in Serbia are still under some strange hypnoses. Until this is pushed away you are not expected to think different from what you have stated above.
If you would have lived in Kosovo before 1999, during 1999 and after 1999 you would have seen by your self how non Serbs were treated and than you would have posted here totally different opinions.
Only than you would have been able not to believe in stories you have written here. In one I agree with you 100%. Not all Albanians have lived for always in Kosovo. A huge number came to Kosovo, expelled from Serbia proper. Villages with Albanians population have existed all around Nis and there are no more Albanians there. So, yes, they came to Kosovo looking for place to save their heads. Now you want them out from Kosovo, direction Albania. If this will ever happen, will you ask them to move again? And again, maybe in this second earth which was "seen" in horizon?
Wake up, read more, read from more sides and build your own opinion and than share it with dignity with others but initially try to release you self from the hypnoses you are in... Believe me, it is good for you, does not make any difference for me. Neither me neither you are able to change anything in this issue (Kosovo-Serbia issue). We are just giving our opinions in here, but for a difference, you are pushing here with something you were "filled" by Milosevic & Co propaganda. Create your own opinion by reading and checking facts. You will only than be better respected.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

The point is Tadic, my awkward friend..Serbia doesn't get anything economical by allowing Kosovo to be completely stripped away. The people see that now, you are full of it and have no more legitimacy.

Gotov si Tadicu !

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

Mr. Tadic! just tell this to your friend Mrs. Merkel that Kosovo province is not a bagaining chip and Serbia's territorial integrity and sovereighnty is non-negotiable.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

To everyone and especially Albanians on this site just know that I wish death on nobody and would feel terrible if a civilian from any side was murdered for just living in a disputed area.

My view is that if Serbs in what a communist dictator decided was Croatia (even though Serbs there have always lived with Serbia and have never before him considered where they live as apart of Croatia, neither did Croatians) were kicked out of the only homes they know with no connection to central Serbia then Albanians in Kosovo (especially Kosovo) Crna Gora and FYROM can be kicked out too.

Its nothing racist, but Albanians outside of Albania only bring organized crime through extracted Serbian organs, heroin and child prostitutes. Krajina Serbs simply fought to remain governed by Belgrade which it completely borders and it was completely criminal to expel them.

I'm sorry, I honestly want peace and to rebuild my country into a decent place to live. I know you want this too but I'm afraid there cannot be peace until you leave. You have brought terrible demons with you and it is ruining our society.

Joe A

pre 12 godina

A good economy requires investment (either national or foreign), production, export and trade relations (like the free trade agreement with Russia). You don't need EU membership for that. WTO membership would do nicely (although that is probaby also not in reach yet). The added advantage is that you keep your sovereignty.

ZZ

pre 12 godina

The cultural wealth of Kosovo-Metohija is well known but it also contains natural resources and mineral wealth that western enterprises would like to acquire at no cost. This wealth belongs to the citizens of Serbia. Protect it and use the proceeds to develope other areas of your economy. The mercenary armies aren't planted there for the sunshine. To know the truth, follow the money trail!

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

I Quote -

President: Economy more important than Kosovo

comment -

The Serbian People is more important than Economy.

CCCC !!!.

Arn.Sweden.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"The economic issue is the biggest problem because it solves all other issues"

That's what the albanians said. They invested their hard earned money (drug-, human- trafficing, extortion, organ harvesting etc) into paying half of Europe and American into recognizing their narco state. Perhaps Serbia should have invested in bribes and hookers for Europes finest rather then expencive bridges over the Danube so that our barely running Yugos may pass.

Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 12 godina

Tadic is right, if serbias economy was efficient, and the Albanians of kosovo had sufficient economic security, I'm sure the ugly snake would not have reared it's head..

Tadic knows he can't go to war over Kosovo. The only option is economic reapproachment via economic means.. Or partition.

That's thing I can't stand about Balkan mentatlity, whinge whinge but know one can come up with a tangible option.. Hence I don't think Tadic is as big as a traitor as he is made out to be, after all he didn't start the fire..

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)

The Kosovo you have created, yes absolutely. The Kosovo we take back from you will be rebuilt into the respectable religious community it always was before Albanians came with heroin and child prostitution.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"I'm afraid there cannot be peace until you leave. You have brought terrible demons with you and it is ruining our society."


Absolutely unbelievable that, in today's world, you can have someone living in Australia, sincerely advocating ethnic cleansing of people from their homeland.

I honestly think that this is evidence that there is something seriously, fundamentally wrong and poisonous in Serbian culture where it's possible to produce this result.

If someone would care to prove me wrong, I'm all ears. But, notice, that this wannabe ethnic cleanser, this wannabe thug, is getting thumbs-up.

I have to go wash my eyes with bleach now. If I were religious, I would pray for humanity.

Stefan

pre 12 godina

Economy > everything else when it comes to public governance and order. All countries, whether large mega-empires like the Roman Empire (which collapsed simply because it was too big to financially manage effectively) or small ones like Serbia NEED to have their fiscal houses in order if there's to be any stability. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing - a nice, comfortable life for ourselves and our families, and the ability to improve our livelihoods and follow our desires without many financial limitations. It's what compels a lot of life-influencing decision-making for individuals, and it's the exact same with states. I mean, look at the US - how much foreign investor confidence do they have considering their lack of PROPER solvency and level of foreign debt? Yet their presidential candidates still have the audacity to complain about crap like abortion and the importance of marriage infidelity to a presidential candidate, lol.

I disagree with Tadic, though, that EU = great economy for Serbia. Serbia has a free-trade pact in place with the European economies, and that's enough to foment any level of trade between Serbian entrepreneurs, investors and companies to those in the European Union. That won't rapidly increase simply because Serbia is a member of a certain exclusive club of nations of European nations. Five years ago, it would have, given the mindset that European Union automatically meant that your country was stable and worthy of investment (look at how many investment banks shored up Greek bonds so easily), but I think now that's pretty much disappeared and won't come back, even when the EU and the euro recovers (which it will). As such, there's neither a strategic nor an economic benefit to Serbia joining the EU.

But, yes, economy is incredibly important. If a Kosovar Albanian thinks he'd be richer living in Serbia than Kosovo, all other variables aside, he'd move to Serbia without haste.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)"

Serbia would be best of with a Kosovo without "the millions of criminals" (OK, it is not that bad). Kosovo would immediately turn into a bright and enlightened place, like in the pre-Ottoman and pre-Albanian periods.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Tadic sounds more and more like he doesn't know what he is talking about and is just trying to think of new things to say.

Serbs have been living within & with less than their means for lengthy periods of time, I think our citizens in Kosovo should come before some stupid ojective of European Union membership which would not occur for another 6 years at least (given we get candidate status).

We have free trade in Europe & we already get funding from the ECB.

Kosovo is more important because it is our land and our people who are suffering there. It's shameful that they can be robbed, murdered and intimidated while Tadic has the nerve to tell them the "economy" is more important than them.

Why join a club where we are not wanted? How embarrassing.

At least we should have the dignity to announce on a national level that we are not inferior and we won't accept the games that have been played with us. Just empty statements and no results. Even the European Commission said we should get status but who are they??

Stick together Serbs.....................

deki

pre 12 godina

its true you dont need eu membership to get contracts. however eu can help bigger contracts that result in better econonic situation for all minus the nationalists who.will be saved by god lol

Ratko

pre 12 godina

@ Gnjilanac

And how were those 'non-Serbs' treated in Kosmet? I do recall those years and I remember how albanians had rights like everyone else but never accepted Serbia as their country. They never paid any bills to the state and all they did is complain and protest anything Serbian. Yes yes once upon a time the whole world was populated by albanians and they came from space and all the land was albanian.

Zirb

pre 12 godina

Matthew 26:14-16: "Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him."

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

But Kosovo is a black hole filled with millions of criminals. Serbia is much better of without Kosovo, don't you agree.
(icj1, 11 December 2011 22:04)

And what do you suggest KSerbs to do? To accept Albanian dictatorship or to leave Kosovo?

Ataman

pre 12 godina

"President: Economy more important than Kosovo"

Economy could solve many things about Kosovo, the problem is I do not see the current politics solves anything with the economy. Except selling out the country. This is not the solution so what Berisha Tadiqi does face: neither economy, nor Kosovo. And in connection with that: neither E.U. nor Russia. That did work for Tito to some degree but Tadiqi is not Tito. Today Tito is of course a dinosaur... but the other is a fly.

winston

pre 12 godina

Why, Bolan? We have so many more avenues than the crippling EU. Tadic, do you read any of the financial papers that I do? They say that that the EU is in very poor financial shape. Do you really think that the EU wants more broke and dependent countries to join then at this time? PLEASE, Mr. Tadic, stop the crap. You have only one agenda, and that one is not going to happen anytime soon. Can we please hear an alternate plan - or get out of the way.

Luigi

pre 12 godina

Can someone explain me the policy of both EU and Kosovo while saying that Eu is a dogma and Serbia will never recognize indipendence of Kosovo ?...practically is a Ossimoro...

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

You guys keep blaming Tadic I still feel that he is a very good politician the best in the balkans. I don't see how you or any of your chosen extremist one would have handeled this situation better without a war. I tell you one think if tadic does not win you better have some room in your house for the reamaining serbs left in kosovo. Most of people here keep making coments about Kosovo as if you have any power at all. Tell me one think how is your next president will handle kosovo problem and you can pick the most radical one.Well let me guess for you a war??? My friends you live in a global world you can't survive alone these days and trust me when I say you are alone no Russia or china will care much for you or anyone but there interest.
(Tony.B, 12 December 2011 02:55)

Some people believe Serbia could negotiate with KFOR for Serbian police to return to Northern Kosovo.

Leo

pre 12 godina

This has become a sick joke. What "EU" can any rational being possibly argue would even exist in the now near future? Serbia was never getting in the "EU" which by the way no longer exists. Get over it. Croatia is never joining an actual "EU" either. Tadic is now mentally insane. Germany's latest farce over the weekend has only led to a further collapse in European markets this morning. Do Serbia's pro-EU dopes enjoy being wrong and stupid ALL THE TIME. Germany and France are about to lose AAA credit rating. GROW UP NOW.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Serbia would be best of with a Kosovo without "the millions of criminals" (OK, it is not that bad). Kosovo would immediately turn into a bright and enlightened place, like in the pre-Ottoman and pre-Albanian periods.
(Milan, 12 December 2011 01:11)

Wwaauu “bright and enlightened place”. Have you been in such place Milan? Send us some pictures : I’m joking man. I suggest to you to build such a place in Serbia. After that maybe I vote that Kosova pass to Serbia ownership. Consider my suggestion, so your idealist energy can help Serbia. Another thing don’t prejudge the others if were millions of criminals in Kosova this is an atomic bomb not only for Serbia but for all Europe. Make some Albanian friends and you will understand that they are people with value and one small part of them like in all the other nations are criminals.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

I wonder if it is possible for Serbs to distribute leaflets among KFOR troops.

Do any of you know any KFOR forum? Let's try to enlighten them, seriously.

Gnjilanac

pre 12 godina

@ Ratko:
No Ratko, you are so wrong.
Do you think, we became crazy from being to well treated?!!!
I will tell you:
Albanian were "hunted" all the time, we were beaten just because we had index (student book) in our pocket, we were expelled from schools, expelled from factories, Belgrade was deciding on behalf of Albanians, Belgrade had to stamp a approval for renting a a "business shop", we had (and I say HAD) to pay all bills (electricity, tax, sps "voluntary donation" etc etc) otherwise special unit forces would have payed you a visit immediately, we were not allowed to visit Albania (if we would have done so, special treatment was guarantied (up to 20 years) and many many many other facts.
And again you are wrong saying the world was populated by Albanians, that was not the case ever but I guess the existing Albanians in your mind were so much, like being everywhere in the whole world.
Did Albanians accept Serbia as their country?
Here is the answer:
We have accepted Yugoslavia as our country but not Serbia. Why?!!! Very simply, Serbia did never consider us as their citizens.
Explanation: If you have family, if you have kids try this: Divide one of the kids and do not except him as part of your family and see what will happen. He/she will start to prepare for INDEPENDENT life and will walk away from you. Its very simple, just try to understand.
Same happened with Albanians in Kosovo. Serbia wanted Kosovo but without Albanians in there. What was else to be done by our side in order to remain and continue living here.
Be independent or leave.
We choose the first one.
By what you wrote you just do not convince me you ever lived in Kosovo or at least you never had any open relation with any Albanian so you would be able to check if they have been paying bills and taxes etc etc.
But never mind, if you have chosen to live with this way of thinking, do so, just don't try to convince me in something I am well aware of.
I paid my taxes ALWAYS, I was beaten by a police officer just because I was student (I have never been in any demonstrations) and I have seen from my windows very often how Albanians have been getting special treatment behind "picigaurra policiskih snaga" (police "special" vehicle).
Majority of Serbian citizens never saw that.
Normal human been will never believe that could have happened but did we have anything normal here. Of course not and that's why we are where we are now.

With all respect,
Gnjilanac

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"We have accepted Yugoslavia as our country but not Serbia."

Actually Albanians didn't accept Yugoslavia as their country either. They had opportunity to govern Kosovo in Tito time and they made Serbian population leave Kosovo. That was the reason why Serbian army entered Kosovo back then.

trizo

pre 12 godina

If I were religious, I would pray for humanity.
(Danilo, 12 December 2011 22:03)

Maybe this statement might explain your anti Serb fascist state of mind.

It is however known all through Europe that Albanians & turks have a reputation for being involved in criminal organisations, drugs, people trafficking.

Albanians don't want to live in peace with Serbians, they burn our churches and flags etc.. Serbs don't want to live under Albanian governance either.

Any solutions?

I think I have the solution where the Albanians can live in peace & the Serbs can remain at home in Kosovo.

I present the Albanians with proposal of peace & serenity..
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/news/kepscicon-briefing.html

Ratko

pre 12 godina

@ Gnjilanac

Your plan from the start was to steal Kosmet don't write fairytales. And if you hate Serbs so much why are albanians today applying for Serbian passports? Don't worry we will have our time again even though it may take a long time. btw how many Serbs are left in Gnjilane?

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"Maybe this statement might explain your anti Serb fascist state of mind. "

I'm responding to someone calling for ethnic cleansing and you're calling ME a fascist?

What's the matter with you?