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Friday, 09.12.2011.

09:37

Decision on Serbia's candidate status postponed

The European Council decided early Friday that Serbia should get the EU candidate status in March 2012 if it makes further progress in the talks with Priština.

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EU Dude

pre 12 godina

EU ascension gives Serbia as good a blue-print as it's ever going to get to fix itself.
(Danilo, 9 December 2011 16:05)


That really worked for bulgarians and romanians. They even got a special deal of an extra three years and a Big Mac thrown in for free. Being in NATO, EU energy policy and having a black sea coast had nothing to do with it of course.

The question is, why hasn't Tadic and co managed to push through the required reforms already? He's had all the help that 'Brussels' could semi-legally manage so far.

Do you think that Serbs are incapable of reforms without Brussels telling them what to do whilst EU member states actually ignore or fail to effectively implement reforms when it suits them? From what I can see, there is no political dialogue nor imagination in Serbia. Until recently, all the big parties have said they want to join the EU, save the recent squealing from Kostunica. Is there really any choice at all or are you voters just fiddling at the margin and fooling yourselves that your votes actually count?

How can Serbia ever score a goal when the goal posts are being continually moved?

Or maybe it is better to sell out and line our pockets with fools gold? Fu** the peasants in the south, no?

I have a solution. Serbs and Serbia should declare themselves albanians, Belgrade obviously the capital.

roberto

pre 12 godina

-what is normal in blackmailing in threatening?? what is democratic in threats??? how can that be acceptable?? Serbian society as any other post-communist society MUST learn to walk her walk into democracy by herself. A democratic Serbia regardless of how hard how painful that process can be (considering the Bolshevik-nationalistic forces there) is on Serbs benefit and they must do that by themselves just as all other ex-communist countries did. It is not that with threats you can get to the EU. It is a fact. period.(ben, 9 December 2011 16:44)

hey ben - glad to see you're posting again, and getting thru :) yr post was right-on, as usual. every "post"-totalitarian country has a responsibility to get beyond its ugly past, build up democracy (not just the trappings, to please mum and dad). democracy is VERY thin there, on so many levels. the recent banning of the lgbt march is just one of so many signs that they still have so very far to go. and continuing absolute silence on their war crimes and war criminals still harbored. utter and absolute silence.

personally, i really wasn't sure how europa would go, they are so short-sighted about the balkans, so overwhelmed by other problems, so ethically... challenged. but i'll say one thing for sure -- don't have yr proxies (criminals) shooting and throwing molotov cocktails at eu soldiers, then expect a warm embrace. ain't gonna happen.

beyond that, the eu sees every day, thru stefanovic and co., up close and personal, what the blgd regime is all about. and all their threats of war (we cannot rule out bla bla bla.) they remember slobo and the 90s, and the memories aint't pretty (though neither is their reaction to it.)

so who wants to import the balkan wars, part...25? you gotta be kidding.

blgd HAs to first make peace with their neighbors, meaning bosnia and kosova. period.

they have to deal with their past war crimes, and war criminals... they have to protect the human, civil rights of all their citizens. period.

ciao! roberto frisco

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"What I find ironic here is the Serb diaspora who live in the West (EU & US) that rail against those same countries and don't want Serbia to join."

metrod

So why is it a bad thing to be against something just because you live in it? We who live in the West have the advantage to see the benifits and the down side of EU membership. I live in Sweden and I can tell you that the crime rate has gone through the roof since Sweden joined. And the islamization of Sweden and much of Europe is a fact. Just those two things is enough to stay out of the EU.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"nothing suggests that Serbs can't implement their OWN reforms for themselves"


unfortunately (and I do mean that), everything suggests that they can't. Try living in Belgrade for a year and say that.

EU ascension gives Serbia as good a blue-print as it's ever going to get to fix itself.

ben

pre 12 godina

but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.
(Offical Cambridge Office, 9 December 2011 10:19)

Hey they keep on coming with these threats these analysts.

...HAS to be given this or that to Serbia otherwise...

what is normal in blackmailing in threatening?? what is democratic in threats??? how can that be acceptable??

Serbian society as any other post-communist society MUST learn to walk her walk into democracy by herself. A democratic Serbia regardless of how hard how painful that process can be (considering the Bolshevik-nationalistic forces there) is on Serbs benefit and they must do that by themselves just as all other ex-communist countries did.

It is not that with threats you can get to the EU. It is a fact. period.

metrod

pre 12 godina

What I find ironic here is the Serb diaspora who live in the West (EU & US) that rail against those same countries and don't want Serbia to join.
If those countries are so bad why don't you leave. Go back to Serbia.

The population is on the decline. You can serve your country better from Serbia than from a cushy sofa in the West.

Deep down you want Serbia to join but the truth is eating at you...or you're just hypocrites!

Leonidas

pre 12 godina

I hope that Romania will join the Schengen Area in March 2012.
(Mircea EU citizen, 9 December 2011 12:53)

I am in favour of Romania joining the Schengen Area tomorrow.The question arising is whether joining Schengen is going to improve the lives of ordinary Romanians. My guess is that is not going to make an iota difference and I think Schengen is matter of pride for the Romanian politicians rather than substance.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

Just 6 months ago Tadic went on record

“We are now looking the EU in the eye in order to see whether it keeps its promises,”

- Serbia’s next step in the EU integration is to get the candidate status and a date for the beginning of negotiations, Serbian President Boris Tadić has said.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=06&dd=08&nav_id=74806

Not only has Tadic failed to obtain start dates but candidate is still debatble and conditioned on doing all that EU demands going beyond Serbia's red lines. This is a disaster for Tadic alone but good fortune for Serbia - time to step aside Tadic in Serbia's best interest.

barbanera

pre 12 godina

As Balkanians we never disappoint :)EU is not a bank where we can go and borrow as much as we can and while not working we get rich. EU is a system of values, where everybody needs to be respected and no country (including Serbia) which supports violence will become an EU member! By the Serbian standards,those who illegally posses guns, attack soldiers, burn buildings or destroy roads are considered terrorists...then how can Serbia become an EU member when in July Stefanovic &co supported such acts in Northern Kosovo? Would any simple Serb allow other Serbs (no matter what ethnicity) to destroy roads of Serbia, burn buildings or kill policemen? Of course not...Serbs would accept such acts only toward Albanians. For as long as Serbs do not understand that Albanians and Serbs are equal, Serbia will never become part of EU and this is Serbia's fault, not Germany's...

kosovaman

pre 12 godina

"They have had some fails, some ups and downs, some fast and slow progresses - but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.
(Offical Cambridge Office, 9 December 2011 10:19) "

First of all, some one from "Official Cambridge Office" should be able to write properly in English language. Second, it is never a good reason to give a country a candidacy that has a potential to become extremist nationalist. If you have the potential to become extremist nationalist outside EU, then you have the potential to do that inside the EU. I advise Serbs to leave the 13th century behind and update their calendars to 2011, and next month 2012. Good luck.

Stefan

pre 12 godina

I'll admit that I'm a bit of a neo-liberal, consumerist Westernophile myself, but even I am perplexed as to why Serbia's still bothering with this large bureaucratic, waffle-infused tripe from Brussels. I had to re-read this article twice to actually understand what they were trying to express to Serbia, just confirming that they're a bunch of nitpicky, slime-talking, buzzword-using eurocrats trying to show broad smiles for the cameras while they circle-jerk each other consistently thinking that they're Europe's biggest revolutionaries since that tiny dude from France. I have no problems with Serbia having decent relations with Western Europe - no one could object that - but they've signed a free-trade agreement with the "European" economies, not to mention Russia and Belarus, and that should really be enough to foster a decent level of trade between the two. I liked Zoran's take on it and had never thought of it until now - nothing suggests that Serbs can't implement their OWN reforms for themselves, instead of having some twap from Belgium or the Netherlands or Germany dictate to them what's good or not for the average Joe (more like average Jovan, I suppose) in BELGRADE.

'Tis a shame that folling Serbian politics is like watching a bunch of clowns race through a minefield, and I genuinely feel sorry for my ethnic brethren for having to consistently put up with that poop day-after-day.

Jeff

pre 12 godina

They may give the green light in March only if they think Tadic will keep Serbia from ''sliding into nationalism'' but Germany Austria and Britain actually want that to happen. Their elites are as Serbophobic as the Arab world is anti-Semitic. They hate us and would rather see Serbs rocking the boat so they can scapegoat us in their media.

Srboslav

pre 12 godina

Mircea, when will Romania join the Euro? Germany needs your help.
(Zoran, 9 December 2011 13:53)

Exactly! Also other EU countries need your help, continue to keep the workers salaries low so the companies can continue to invest in Heaven on Earth, Romania.
That way you don't have to loose foreign investors like you lost finnish mobile company NOKIA when they closed down their factory in Romania.
Keep the salaries low (exept for the politicians of course) and you will be fine in the EU toghether with Bulgaria and Croatia!

trizo

pre 12 godina

It makes me sick to think of desperate hopes of joining the EU. It's embarrassing for Serbs. We are treated as inferiors and lesser beings.

Change of government required.

If you cannot see clearly that the EU is a total waste of time and money right now then you are delusional.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

I hope that Romania will join the Schengen Area in March 2012.
(Mircea EU citizen, 9 December 2011 12:53)
--
Mircea, when will Romania join the Euro? Germany needs your help.

Olli

pre 12 godina

Dear pro-me,

The yet unofficial "Offical" Cambridge Office is a rival of The OOO, The Official Oxford Office, a trustworthy supplier of relevant information for daily consumption.

kufr

pre 12 godina

This is not as good as I hoped because EU found a way to keep pressure on Serbia. Or at least on Tadic. But the good thing is that the people knows by now that Serbia will never get candidate status. So the pressure is on Tadic only and Serbia is a democracy now..

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

There is no certainty with Candidate status in March its a MAYBE and EU will again discuss & moreover its further conditioned on Serbia capitulating all its lines.

Furthermore this rotten carrot when it comes in March will be just candidate and no date for starting accession process - see the example of Montenegro whose's potential start has been shoved way back given they MIGHT discuss progress in July and only then set a date no doubt in the future again.

It's clear the EU is in (terminal) turmoil as we know it given the UK veto and now there is no clear distinction upon what Serbia might or might not be joining - its a rotten carrot that Tadic can no longer ignore offers nothing but FALSE ASPIRATIONS!

TADIC come clean and admit your failure, discover the world of opportunities open for Serbia beyond the EU rotten carrot or resign now - Serbian citizens deserve a better future.

Offical Cambridge Office

pre 12 godina

As an representative of Cambridge Office in Serbia,
I officially, as an PR of it have a statement to give:
" If Serbia do NOT gain the status of "candidate" today, it will be historical error for EU Parliament, because Macedonia with its regional countries didn't make a half of "movements" that Government of Serbia is.
They have had some fails, some ups and downs, some fast and slow progresses - but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

LOL! Nice spin. So in other words, Serbia did not get candidate status and Montenegro did not get a date for accession talks. You don't get your degree until you pass the exams and in Tadic's case, he doesn't get his election carrot until he sells out more. So now we know elections won't be held until after March.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

LOL conveniently before Serbian elections to squeeze out one more mandate for the failing Tadic regime. I'm afraid that's not gonna be enough friends. More and more people in Serbia are waking up from their EU coma. I also love how Albanians come here daily and say HA SERBIA YOU AREN'T GETTING INTO THE EU!

As if the EU sits around in Brussels with KLA emblems on their walls trying to see how to help them out. The EU does not want to add any more members except for maybe Croatia before it finally commits suicide and implodes. So they are using the barricades as a reason to not allow any more members.

But to be honest I don't care. Serbs in Serbia who want the EU only want someone else to help clean up their country of corruption and social injustice because they think no Serbs are capable themselves of doing it. They are kind of right, but that is why new political options need to be on the table in the next election not the same tired faces.

LOL, countries in the EU are trying to get out...Tadic is desperately trying to get in. That's what happens Tadic when you base your entire platform and policy off one idea that is turning out to be the wrong one.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

Candidate status most likely in March.

Comment.

Serbia will Never Ever become a Candidate to or an member of EU.

Serbia must Recognise Kosovo as an Indipendent State befor ever becoming a Candidate.
Tadic is a Looser and we can bid Him By-By- !.

Arn.Sweden.

twindales

pre 12 godina

After this mornings news that once again the UK has prevented another EU treaty I feel thoroughly depressed. France and Germany who's leaders I hasten to add will be kicked out by their electorates next year are trying to bully the other 25 nations who make up the rest of the union. I'm please that Serbia has been welcomed back to the European family but think carefully do you really want to become a member of a system dominated by the larger countries who decide undemocratically what the rest of us will do.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

Candidate status most likely in March.

Comment.

Serbia will Never Ever become a Candidate to or an member of EU.

Serbia must Recognise Kosovo as an Indipendent State befor ever becoming a Candidate.
Tadic is a Looser and we can bid Him By-By- !.

Arn.Sweden.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

LOL conveniently before Serbian elections to squeeze out one more mandate for the failing Tadic regime. I'm afraid that's not gonna be enough friends. More and more people in Serbia are waking up from their EU coma. I also love how Albanians come here daily and say HA SERBIA YOU AREN'T GETTING INTO THE EU!

As if the EU sits around in Brussels with KLA emblems on their walls trying to see how to help them out. The EU does not want to add any more members except for maybe Croatia before it finally commits suicide and implodes. So they are using the barricades as a reason to not allow any more members.

But to be honest I don't care. Serbs in Serbia who want the EU only want someone else to help clean up their country of corruption and social injustice because they think no Serbs are capable themselves of doing it. They are kind of right, but that is why new political options need to be on the table in the next election not the same tired faces.

LOL, countries in the EU are trying to get out...Tadic is desperately trying to get in. That's what happens Tadic when you base your entire platform and policy off one idea that is turning out to be the wrong one.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

There is no certainty with Candidate status in March its a MAYBE and EU will again discuss & moreover its further conditioned on Serbia capitulating all its lines.

Furthermore this rotten carrot when it comes in March will be just candidate and no date for starting accession process - see the example of Montenegro whose's potential start has been shoved way back given they MIGHT discuss progress in July and only then set a date no doubt in the future again.

It's clear the EU is in (terminal) turmoil as we know it given the UK veto and now there is no clear distinction upon what Serbia might or might not be joining - its a rotten carrot that Tadic can no longer ignore offers nothing but FALSE ASPIRATIONS!

TADIC come clean and admit your failure, discover the world of opportunities open for Serbia beyond the EU rotten carrot or resign now - Serbian citizens deserve a better future.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

LOL! Nice spin. So in other words, Serbia did not get candidate status and Montenegro did not get a date for accession talks. You don't get your degree until you pass the exams and in Tadic's case, he doesn't get his election carrot until he sells out more. So now we know elections won't be held until after March.

twindales

pre 12 godina

After this mornings news that once again the UK has prevented another EU treaty I feel thoroughly depressed. France and Germany who's leaders I hasten to add will be kicked out by their electorates next year are trying to bully the other 25 nations who make up the rest of the union. I'm please that Serbia has been welcomed back to the European family but think carefully do you really want to become a member of a system dominated by the larger countries who decide undemocratically what the rest of us will do.

kosovaman

pre 12 godina

"They have had some fails, some ups and downs, some fast and slow progresses - but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.
(Offical Cambridge Office, 9 December 2011 10:19) "

First of all, some one from "Official Cambridge Office" should be able to write properly in English language. Second, it is never a good reason to give a country a candidacy that has a potential to become extremist nationalist. If you have the potential to become extremist nationalist outside EU, then you have the potential to do that inside the EU. I advise Serbs to leave the 13th century behind and update their calendars to 2011, and next month 2012. Good luck.

kufr

pre 12 godina

This is not as good as I hoped because EU found a way to keep pressure on Serbia. Or at least on Tadic. But the good thing is that the people knows by now that Serbia will never get candidate status. So the pressure is on Tadic only and Serbia is a democracy now..

Leonidas

pre 12 godina

I hope that Romania will join the Schengen Area in March 2012.
(Mircea EU citizen, 9 December 2011 12:53)

I am in favour of Romania joining the Schengen Area tomorrow.The question arising is whether joining Schengen is going to improve the lives of ordinary Romanians. My guess is that is not going to make an iota difference and I think Schengen is matter of pride for the Romanian politicians rather than substance.

barbanera

pre 12 godina

As Balkanians we never disappoint :)EU is not a bank where we can go and borrow as much as we can and while not working we get rich. EU is a system of values, where everybody needs to be respected and no country (including Serbia) which supports violence will become an EU member! By the Serbian standards,those who illegally posses guns, attack soldiers, burn buildings or destroy roads are considered terrorists...then how can Serbia become an EU member when in July Stefanovic &co supported such acts in Northern Kosovo? Would any simple Serb allow other Serbs (no matter what ethnicity) to destroy roads of Serbia, burn buildings or kill policemen? Of course not...Serbs would accept such acts only toward Albanians. For as long as Serbs do not understand that Albanians and Serbs are equal, Serbia will never become part of EU and this is Serbia's fault, not Germany's...

Zoran

pre 12 godina

I hope that Romania will join the Schengen Area in March 2012.
(Mircea EU citizen, 9 December 2011 12:53)
--
Mircea, when will Romania join the Euro? Germany needs your help.

trizo

pre 12 godina

It makes me sick to think of desperate hopes of joining the EU. It's embarrassing for Serbs. We are treated as inferiors and lesser beings.

Change of government required.

If you cannot see clearly that the EU is a total waste of time and money right now then you are delusional.

Jeff

pre 12 godina

They may give the green light in March only if they think Tadic will keep Serbia from ''sliding into nationalism'' but Germany Austria and Britain actually want that to happen. Their elites are as Serbophobic as the Arab world is anti-Semitic. They hate us and would rather see Serbs rocking the boat so they can scapegoat us in their media.

Offical Cambridge Office

pre 12 godina

As an representative of Cambridge Office in Serbia,
I officially, as an PR of it have a statement to give:
" If Serbia do NOT gain the status of "candidate" today, it will be historical error for EU Parliament, because Macedonia with its regional countries didn't make a half of "movements" that Government of Serbia is.
They have had some fails, some ups and downs, some fast and slow progresses - but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

Just 6 months ago Tadic went on record

“We are now looking the EU in the eye in order to see whether it keeps its promises,”

- Serbia’s next step in the EU integration is to get the candidate status and a date for the beginning of negotiations, Serbian President Boris Tadić has said.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=06&dd=08&nav_id=74806

Not only has Tadic failed to obtain start dates but candidate is still debatble and conditioned on doing all that EU demands going beyond Serbia's red lines. This is a disaster for Tadic alone but good fortune for Serbia - time to step aside Tadic in Serbia's best interest.

metrod

pre 12 godina

What I find ironic here is the Serb diaspora who live in the West (EU & US) that rail against those same countries and don't want Serbia to join.
If those countries are so bad why don't you leave. Go back to Serbia.

The population is on the decline. You can serve your country better from Serbia than from a cushy sofa in the West.

Deep down you want Serbia to join but the truth is eating at you...or you're just hypocrites!

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"What I find ironic here is the Serb diaspora who live in the West (EU & US) that rail against those same countries and don't want Serbia to join."

metrod

So why is it a bad thing to be against something just because you live in it? We who live in the West have the advantage to see the benifits and the down side of EU membership. I live in Sweden and I can tell you that the crime rate has gone through the roof since Sweden joined. And the islamization of Sweden and much of Europe is a fact. Just those two things is enough to stay out of the EU.

Srboslav

pre 12 godina

Mircea, when will Romania join the Euro? Germany needs your help.
(Zoran, 9 December 2011 13:53)

Exactly! Also other EU countries need your help, continue to keep the workers salaries low so the companies can continue to invest in Heaven on Earth, Romania.
That way you don't have to loose foreign investors like you lost finnish mobile company NOKIA when they closed down their factory in Romania.
Keep the salaries low (exept for the politicians of course) and you will be fine in the EU toghether with Bulgaria and Croatia!

Olli

pre 12 godina

Dear pro-me,

The yet unofficial "Offical" Cambridge Office is a rival of The OOO, The Official Oxford Office, a trustworthy supplier of relevant information for daily consumption.

ben

pre 12 godina

but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.
(Offical Cambridge Office, 9 December 2011 10:19)

Hey they keep on coming with these threats these analysts.

...HAS to be given this or that to Serbia otherwise...

what is normal in blackmailing in threatening?? what is democratic in threats??? how can that be acceptable??

Serbian society as any other post-communist society MUST learn to walk her walk into democracy by herself. A democratic Serbia regardless of how hard how painful that process can be (considering the Bolshevik-nationalistic forces there) is on Serbs benefit and they must do that by themselves just as all other ex-communist countries did.

It is not that with threats you can get to the EU. It is a fact. period.

Stefan

pre 12 godina

I'll admit that I'm a bit of a neo-liberal, consumerist Westernophile myself, but even I am perplexed as to why Serbia's still bothering with this large bureaucratic, waffle-infused tripe from Brussels. I had to re-read this article twice to actually understand what they were trying to express to Serbia, just confirming that they're a bunch of nitpicky, slime-talking, buzzword-using eurocrats trying to show broad smiles for the cameras while they circle-jerk each other consistently thinking that they're Europe's biggest revolutionaries since that tiny dude from France. I have no problems with Serbia having decent relations with Western Europe - no one could object that - but they've signed a free-trade agreement with the "European" economies, not to mention Russia and Belarus, and that should really be enough to foster a decent level of trade between the two. I liked Zoran's take on it and had never thought of it until now - nothing suggests that Serbs can't implement their OWN reforms for themselves, instead of having some twap from Belgium or the Netherlands or Germany dictate to them what's good or not for the average Joe (more like average Jovan, I suppose) in BELGRADE.

'Tis a shame that folling Serbian politics is like watching a bunch of clowns race through a minefield, and I genuinely feel sorry for my ethnic brethren for having to consistently put up with that poop day-after-day.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"nothing suggests that Serbs can't implement their OWN reforms for themselves"


unfortunately (and I do mean that), everything suggests that they can't. Try living in Belgrade for a year and say that.

EU ascension gives Serbia as good a blue-print as it's ever going to get to fix itself.

roberto

pre 12 godina

-what is normal in blackmailing in threatening?? what is democratic in threats??? how can that be acceptable?? Serbian society as any other post-communist society MUST learn to walk her walk into democracy by herself. A democratic Serbia regardless of how hard how painful that process can be (considering the Bolshevik-nationalistic forces there) is on Serbs benefit and they must do that by themselves just as all other ex-communist countries did. It is not that with threats you can get to the EU. It is a fact. period.(ben, 9 December 2011 16:44)

hey ben - glad to see you're posting again, and getting thru :) yr post was right-on, as usual. every "post"-totalitarian country has a responsibility to get beyond its ugly past, build up democracy (not just the trappings, to please mum and dad). democracy is VERY thin there, on so many levels. the recent banning of the lgbt march is just one of so many signs that they still have so very far to go. and continuing absolute silence on their war crimes and war criminals still harbored. utter and absolute silence.

personally, i really wasn't sure how europa would go, they are so short-sighted about the balkans, so overwhelmed by other problems, so ethically... challenged. but i'll say one thing for sure -- don't have yr proxies (criminals) shooting and throwing molotov cocktails at eu soldiers, then expect a warm embrace. ain't gonna happen.

beyond that, the eu sees every day, thru stefanovic and co., up close and personal, what the blgd regime is all about. and all their threats of war (we cannot rule out bla bla bla.) they remember slobo and the 90s, and the memories aint't pretty (though neither is their reaction to it.)

so who wants to import the balkan wars, part...25? you gotta be kidding.

blgd HAs to first make peace with their neighbors, meaning bosnia and kosova. period.

they have to deal with their past war crimes, and war criminals... they have to protect the human, civil rights of all their citizens. period.

ciao! roberto frisco

EU Dude

pre 12 godina

EU ascension gives Serbia as good a blue-print as it's ever going to get to fix itself.
(Danilo, 9 December 2011 16:05)


That really worked for bulgarians and romanians. They even got a special deal of an extra three years and a Big Mac thrown in for free. Being in NATO, EU energy policy and having a black sea coast had nothing to do with it of course.

The question is, why hasn't Tadic and co managed to push through the required reforms already? He's had all the help that 'Brussels' could semi-legally manage so far.

Do you think that Serbs are incapable of reforms without Brussels telling them what to do whilst EU member states actually ignore or fail to effectively implement reforms when it suits them? From what I can see, there is no political dialogue nor imagination in Serbia. Until recently, all the big parties have said they want to join the EU, save the recent squealing from Kostunica. Is there really any choice at all or are you voters just fiddling at the margin and fooling yourselves that your votes actually count?

How can Serbia ever score a goal when the goal posts are being continually moved?

Or maybe it is better to sell out and line our pockets with fools gold? Fu** the peasants in the south, no?

I have a solution. Serbs and Serbia should declare themselves albanians, Belgrade obviously the capital.

Offical Cambridge Office

pre 12 godina

As an representative of Cambridge Office in Serbia,
I officially, as an PR of it have a statement to give:
" If Serbia do NOT gain the status of "candidate" today, it will be historical error for EU Parliament, because Macedonia with its regional countries didn't make a half of "movements" that Government of Serbia is.
They have had some fails, some ups and downs, some fast and slow progresses - but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"nothing suggests that Serbs can't implement their OWN reforms for themselves"


unfortunately (and I do mean that), everything suggests that they can't. Try living in Belgrade for a year and say that.

EU ascension gives Serbia as good a blue-print as it's ever going to get to fix itself.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

There is no certainty with Candidate status in March its a MAYBE and EU will again discuss & moreover its further conditioned on Serbia capitulating all its lines.

Furthermore this rotten carrot when it comes in March will be just candidate and no date for starting accession process - see the example of Montenegro whose's potential start has been shoved way back given they MIGHT discuss progress in July and only then set a date no doubt in the future again.

It's clear the EU is in (terminal) turmoil as we know it given the UK veto and now there is no clear distinction upon what Serbia might or might not be joining - its a rotten carrot that Tadic can no longer ignore offers nothing but FALSE ASPIRATIONS!

TADIC come clean and admit your failure, discover the world of opportunities open for Serbia beyond the EU rotten carrot or resign now - Serbian citizens deserve a better future.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

LOL conveniently before Serbian elections to squeeze out one more mandate for the failing Tadic regime. I'm afraid that's not gonna be enough friends. More and more people in Serbia are waking up from their EU coma. I also love how Albanians come here daily and say HA SERBIA YOU AREN'T GETTING INTO THE EU!

As if the EU sits around in Brussels with KLA emblems on their walls trying to see how to help them out. The EU does not want to add any more members except for maybe Croatia before it finally commits suicide and implodes. So they are using the barricades as a reason to not allow any more members.

But to be honest I don't care. Serbs in Serbia who want the EU only want someone else to help clean up their country of corruption and social injustice because they think no Serbs are capable themselves of doing it. They are kind of right, but that is why new political options need to be on the table in the next election not the same tired faces.

LOL, countries in the EU are trying to get out...Tadic is desperately trying to get in. That's what happens Tadic when you base your entire platform and policy off one idea that is turning out to be the wrong one.

metrod

pre 12 godina

What I find ironic here is the Serb diaspora who live in the West (EU & US) that rail against those same countries and don't want Serbia to join.
If those countries are so bad why don't you leave. Go back to Serbia.

The population is on the decline. You can serve your country better from Serbia than from a cushy sofa in the West.

Deep down you want Serbia to join but the truth is eating at you...or you're just hypocrites!

Olli

pre 12 godina

Dear pro-me,

The yet unofficial "Offical" Cambridge Office is a rival of The OOO, The Official Oxford Office, a trustworthy supplier of relevant information for daily consumption.

ben

pre 12 godina

but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.
(Offical Cambridge Office, 9 December 2011 10:19)

Hey they keep on coming with these threats these analysts.

...HAS to be given this or that to Serbia otherwise...

what is normal in blackmailing in threatening?? what is democratic in threats??? how can that be acceptable??

Serbian society as any other post-communist society MUST learn to walk her walk into democracy by herself. A democratic Serbia regardless of how hard how painful that process can be (considering the Bolshevik-nationalistic forces there) is on Serbs benefit and they must do that by themselves just as all other ex-communist countries did.

It is not that with threats you can get to the EU. It is a fact. period.

twindales

pre 12 godina

After this mornings news that once again the UK has prevented another EU treaty I feel thoroughly depressed. France and Germany who's leaders I hasten to add will be kicked out by their electorates next year are trying to bully the other 25 nations who make up the rest of the union. I'm please that Serbia has been welcomed back to the European family but think carefully do you really want to become a member of a system dominated by the larger countries who decide undemocratically what the rest of us will do.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

I hope that Romania will join the Schengen Area in March 2012.
(Mircea EU citizen, 9 December 2011 12:53)
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Mircea, when will Romania join the Euro? Germany needs your help.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

Candidate status most likely in March.

Comment.

Serbia will Never Ever become a Candidate to or an member of EU.

Serbia must Recognise Kosovo as an Indipendent State befor ever becoming a Candidate.
Tadic is a Looser and we can bid Him By-By- !.

Arn.Sweden.

trizo

pre 12 godina

It makes me sick to think of desperate hopes of joining the EU. It's embarrassing for Serbs. We are treated as inferiors and lesser beings.

Change of government required.

If you cannot see clearly that the EU is a total waste of time and money right now then you are delusional.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

LOL! Nice spin. So in other words, Serbia did not get candidate status and Montenegro did not get a date for accession talks. You don't get your degree until you pass the exams and in Tadic's case, he doesn't get his election carrot until he sells out more. So now we know elections won't be held until after March.

barbanera

pre 12 godina

As Balkanians we never disappoint :)EU is not a bank where we can go and borrow as much as we can and while not working we get rich. EU is a system of values, where everybody needs to be respected and no country (including Serbia) which supports violence will become an EU member! By the Serbian standards,those who illegally posses guns, attack soldiers, burn buildings or destroy roads are considered terrorists...then how can Serbia become an EU member when in July Stefanovic &co supported such acts in Northern Kosovo? Would any simple Serb allow other Serbs (no matter what ethnicity) to destroy roads of Serbia, burn buildings or kill policemen? Of course not...Serbs would accept such acts only toward Albanians. For as long as Serbs do not understand that Albanians and Serbs are equal, Serbia will never become part of EU and this is Serbia's fault, not Germany's...

roberto

pre 12 godina

-what is normal in blackmailing in threatening?? what is democratic in threats??? how can that be acceptable?? Serbian society as any other post-communist society MUST learn to walk her walk into democracy by herself. A democratic Serbia regardless of how hard how painful that process can be (considering the Bolshevik-nationalistic forces there) is on Serbs benefit and they must do that by themselves just as all other ex-communist countries did. It is not that with threats you can get to the EU. It is a fact. period.(ben, 9 December 2011 16:44)

hey ben - glad to see you're posting again, and getting thru :) yr post was right-on, as usual. every "post"-totalitarian country has a responsibility to get beyond its ugly past, build up democracy (not just the trappings, to please mum and dad). democracy is VERY thin there, on so many levels. the recent banning of the lgbt march is just one of so many signs that they still have so very far to go. and continuing absolute silence on their war crimes and war criminals still harbored. utter and absolute silence.

personally, i really wasn't sure how europa would go, they are so short-sighted about the balkans, so overwhelmed by other problems, so ethically... challenged. but i'll say one thing for sure -- don't have yr proxies (criminals) shooting and throwing molotov cocktails at eu soldiers, then expect a warm embrace. ain't gonna happen.

beyond that, the eu sees every day, thru stefanovic and co., up close and personal, what the blgd regime is all about. and all their threats of war (we cannot rule out bla bla bla.) they remember slobo and the 90s, and the memories aint't pretty (though neither is their reaction to it.)

so who wants to import the balkan wars, part...25? you gotta be kidding.

blgd HAs to first make peace with their neighbors, meaning bosnia and kosova. period.

they have to deal with their past war crimes, and war criminals... they have to protect the human, civil rights of all their citizens. period.

ciao! roberto frisco

kosovaman

pre 12 godina

"They have had some fails, some ups and downs, some fast and slow progresses - but generally, I think that Serbia HAS to be "prised" with "candidate" status because of potential risk of rising the nationalistic and radical forces, followed by their "army" among average.
(Offical Cambridge Office, 9 December 2011 10:19) "

First of all, some one from "Official Cambridge Office" should be able to write properly in English language. Second, it is never a good reason to give a country a candidacy that has a potential to become extremist nationalist. If you have the potential to become extremist nationalist outside EU, then you have the potential to do that inside the EU. I advise Serbs to leave the 13th century behind and update their calendars to 2011, and next month 2012. Good luck.

Srboslav

pre 12 godina

Mircea, when will Romania join the Euro? Germany needs your help.
(Zoran, 9 December 2011 13:53)

Exactly! Also other EU countries need your help, continue to keep the workers salaries low so the companies can continue to invest in Heaven on Earth, Romania.
That way you don't have to loose foreign investors like you lost finnish mobile company NOKIA when they closed down their factory in Romania.
Keep the salaries low (exept for the politicians of course) and you will be fine in the EU toghether with Bulgaria and Croatia!

Jeff

pre 12 godina

They may give the green light in March only if they think Tadic will keep Serbia from ''sliding into nationalism'' but Germany Austria and Britain actually want that to happen. Their elites are as Serbophobic as the Arab world is anti-Semitic. They hate us and would rather see Serbs rocking the boat so they can scapegoat us in their media.

kufr

pre 12 godina

This is not as good as I hoped because EU found a way to keep pressure on Serbia. Or at least on Tadic. But the good thing is that the people knows by now that Serbia will never get candidate status. So the pressure is on Tadic only and Serbia is a democracy now..

Leonidas

pre 12 godina

I hope that Romania will join the Schengen Area in March 2012.
(Mircea EU citizen, 9 December 2011 12:53)

I am in favour of Romania joining the Schengen Area tomorrow.The question arising is whether joining Schengen is going to improve the lives of ordinary Romanians. My guess is that is not going to make an iota difference and I think Schengen is matter of pride for the Romanian politicians rather than substance.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"What I find ironic here is the Serb diaspora who live in the West (EU & US) that rail against those same countries and don't want Serbia to join."

metrod

So why is it a bad thing to be against something just because you live in it? We who live in the West have the advantage to see the benifits and the down side of EU membership. I live in Sweden and I can tell you that the crime rate has gone through the roof since Sweden joined. And the islamization of Sweden and much of Europe is a fact. Just those two things is enough to stay out of the EU.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

Just 6 months ago Tadic went on record

“We are now looking the EU in the eye in order to see whether it keeps its promises,”

- Serbia’s next step in the EU integration is to get the candidate status and a date for the beginning of negotiations, Serbian President Boris Tadić has said.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=06&dd=08&nav_id=74806

Not only has Tadic failed to obtain start dates but candidate is still debatble and conditioned on doing all that EU demands going beyond Serbia's red lines. This is a disaster for Tadic alone but good fortune for Serbia - time to step aside Tadic in Serbia's best interest.

Stefan

pre 12 godina

I'll admit that I'm a bit of a neo-liberal, consumerist Westernophile myself, but even I am perplexed as to why Serbia's still bothering with this large bureaucratic, waffle-infused tripe from Brussels. I had to re-read this article twice to actually understand what they were trying to express to Serbia, just confirming that they're a bunch of nitpicky, slime-talking, buzzword-using eurocrats trying to show broad smiles for the cameras while they circle-jerk each other consistently thinking that they're Europe's biggest revolutionaries since that tiny dude from France. I have no problems with Serbia having decent relations with Western Europe - no one could object that - but they've signed a free-trade agreement with the "European" economies, not to mention Russia and Belarus, and that should really be enough to foster a decent level of trade between the two. I liked Zoran's take on it and had never thought of it until now - nothing suggests that Serbs can't implement their OWN reforms for themselves, instead of having some twap from Belgium or the Netherlands or Germany dictate to them what's good or not for the average Joe (more like average Jovan, I suppose) in BELGRADE.

'Tis a shame that folling Serbian politics is like watching a bunch of clowns race through a minefield, and I genuinely feel sorry for my ethnic brethren for having to consistently put up with that poop day-after-day.

EU Dude

pre 12 godina

EU ascension gives Serbia as good a blue-print as it's ever going to get to fix itself.
(Danilo, 9 December 2011 16:05)


That really worked for bulgarians and romanians. They even got a special deal of an extra three years and a Big Mac thrown in for free. Being in NATO, EU energy policy and having a black sea coast had nothing to do with it of course.

The question is, why hasn't Tadic and co managed to push through the required reforms already? He's had all the help that 'Brussels' could semi-legally manage so far.

Do you think that Serbs are incapable of reforms without Brussels telling them what to do whilst EU member states actually ignore or fail to effectively implement reforms when it suits them? From what I can see, there is no political dialogue nor imagination in Serbia. Until recently, all the big parties have said they want to join the EU, save the recent squealing from Kostunica. Is there really any choice at all or are you voters just fiddling at the margin and fooling yourselves that your votes actually count?

How can Serbia ever score a goal when the goal posts are being continually moved?

Or maybe it is better to sell out and line our pockets with fools gold? Fu** the peasants in the south, no?

I have a solution. Serbs and Serbia should declare themselves albanians, Belgrade obviously the capital.