Šešelj trial "no success story", says prosecutor

'Brammertz said that the trial will nevertheless enter its final phase in March, after which the sentence will be passed.'

Right after Serbian elections? Coincidenc? I think not. In court since 2003 for nothing other than free speech and thumbing his nose at the west. Does anyone need any more proof that the Hague is a political show trial whose job is to weaken and blacken Serbia?

'Russian Ambassador to UN Vitaly Churkin earlier demanded that The Hague Tribunal and Brammertz announce why Šešelj's trial has lasted for nine years and why a first instance verdict has not been delivered yet.'

Thank you again Mr. Churkin, you are saying the things that our own Serbian government should be saying. Serbia is currently occupied, not only by KFOR, but by an anti-Serb government that works for German/US interests. We need to rid ourselves of this fifth column in the next elections.

There are several reasons for that. The trial was plagued by many delays, Šešelj went on hunger strike and was self-represented at the court, he said, stressing that Šešelj did not make it easier for the Tribunal to speed up the trial.
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LOL!!! We are talking years here, not days. In fact, 9 years. How long can someone last on a hunger strike without dying? How about the 3 years it took to start the trial? Time to point the finger back at yourselves I think. This is yet another example of the political kangaroo court in action. I suspect they will wait until after the election before releasing (or killing) him.

so, anyway, congratulations on demonstrating, once again, that you don't have a clue about Serbian politics.
(Danilo, 8 December 2011 18:02)

If Seselj were on the scene, he would openly call Tadic and his yellows traitors (which they are), give the EU the finger (which SNS is not doing), call for a military alliance with Russia, and call for the Serbs in Republika Srpska to have a referendum and join Serbia. This would in fact, completely expose Tadic's treasonous policies for what they are, embarrass him and his yellows, and embarrass the EU/Yanks and openly expose their anti-Serb double standards. If you think the EU/American war criminals want this to happen, you are completely clueless about geopolitics, and many other things, as you have demonstrated. Ignorance is bliss, so you must be a very happy dude.
Cheers!!

Danilo I think you've embarrassed yourself enough already on here, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. Maybe put a sock in it and save yourself further embarrassment. And if it is cheap labour that you are looking for, I suggest you go to Albania. That way you won't have to deal with Serbia any more, since you hate Serbia, and you will be working in a place where everyone agrees with your anti-Serb views. I suggest you hire Roberto from Frisco, you two chums will get along splendidly, and have a gay old time.
Cheers!!

Brammertz said that the trial will nevertheless enter its final phase in March, after which the sentence will be passed.


Mr. Brammertz how can you say a sentence will be passed, before a verdict is even reached. What a kanagroo court this has been.

No success story?!? How? They have done exactly what they wanted. Imprisoned an innocent Serb for almost a decade.

Danilo,
You think the SPS voters wanted this alliance with DS? Patriotic parties got more votes than Tadic in the last elections, but were shut out of government because of US meddling into Serbian internal affairs. Furthermore, Tadic and his quislings are less popular now, since the population has seen his treason first hand.
Now go kiss your picture of Ceda and get back to work.
Cheers!!

Yeah you are doing wonders for Serbia, probably paying your employees a pittance, screening them so that you only hire Otpor self-hating Serb types, forcing them to kiss the picture of Ceda in the office, and spreading your message that everything in Serbia sucks (even though you don't mind taking advantage of the current unemployment rate there and filling your pockets).
I, on the other hand, send money to my family with no strings attached, and they don't even have to do any demeaning work for it. Guess who is the biggest investor in the Serbian economy? No, it's not the EU or the Yanks....it's the Serb diaspora! Your favourite people :). Between 3 to 5 billion annually according to B92.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=30&nav_id=71827
Keep patting yourself on the back if it makes you feel good, but Serbia would be much, much better off without you and your ilk.
Cheers!!

Danilo,
Yeah, and the DS and SPS just loved each other...lol. You're a tool.

Dragan,

I know that sort of talk is probably popular in any church basement or dreary "Serbian night" in some pub in Hamilton, but if you think that that sort of position would have much traction in Belgrade, again, it's a sign of how little you know Serbia.

Cheers! :)
(Danilo, 9 December 2011 10:20)

This coming from the guy who hates all things Serbian. Maybe in your 'elite' bootlicking liberal circles it won't get much traction, but with the smart Serbs who don't have their head up their hoo hoo, it gets lots of traction, trust me. Bye the way, maybe you haven't realized it yet, but Serbia is more than just Belgrade.
Cheers!!

Danilo said, " If things go further into crap here, it just means more, cheaper labour for me."

I would be ashamed if I raised a son who would make such comments.

Seselj in Serbian politics only means bleeding votes from SRS and DSS, which would only help DS.
(Danilo, 9 December 2011 15:51)

Firstly, if this were true, the NATO war criminals would release him immediately to assure another election victory by their man on the inside (Tadic) and his quislings.
Second, Seselj would increase the votes for all patriotic parties because he is a very good speaker, very intelligent, and tells it like it is. Even if what you say is true, there is no reason that SRS, DSS, and even SNS can come to some alliance to form a government, set up by Konuzin. After all, if the US can meddle and bring DS and Slobo's party SPS together, anything is possible. Try thinking outside the box, it would do you a world of good.
Cheers!!

Danilo,

Your comments portray a great deal of arrogance on your part. Dragan is totally correct, to think that you and your delusional neo-liberak friends at the Philosophical Faculty of Belgrade are Serbia and somehow stand for the majority feeling of Serbia is totally wrong. You are in fact such a minority of Serbia, a group of people who have found common ground in the fact that all you care about is your own backsides, and know that your mass support for the EU will benefit you financially as long as you continue to kiss their arses. However the same is not for the ordinary Serbian people. The fact is that most Serbian people do care for their country and their people, where guys like you benefit is that so many of these people are disillusioned so they dont vote.

Dont try and fool people into believing that you know the social opinions of the Serbian people, the reactions to Kosovo's false declaration of independence, the arrests of Karadzic & Mladic, and the angry reactions to the shameful gay parades show the true feelings of Serbian people and that they are not on board with people like you.

Just out of interest (and I dont expect you to admit it but I shall pose the suggestion anyway), are you a member of the LDP, do you work for Cedomir Jovanovic and is part of your job to come on internet sites to promote the LDP's pathetic policies?

If you are SO SURE that he committed those crimes then surely you can prove it in less than 9 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Serge, please don't insult our intelligence by putting blame on a 'hunger strike' & self representation... This may add maximum 3 mths to a trial but not 8 or 9 YEARS!!!

This is against human rights. At least let him go on parole.

Danilo,

It is not me who doesn't understand Serbian politics, but you. To say that because I live in the diaspora that I do not understand Serbian politics is utterly ridiculous. What it comes down to is the very nature of the Serbian people, in that they are naturally conservative and patriotic, or as you would characterise it "right-wing". Because the DS got a considerable amount of votes doesn't mean an awful lot, all it means is that they were easily swayed by false hopes and promises, such people can easily swing and vote for parties and the other end of the political spectrum.

I have answered your points, care to reply to any of my previous points? Or perhaps you will dodge them as usual.

Danilo said, "I'm sure Albania would be EVEN stupider than Serbia"

Let me repeat that...

Danilo said, "I'm sure Albania would be EVEN stupider than Serbia"

You and roberto should become roommates and invite Lenard, too.
Your egos would not all fit in the same room.

Danilo, you pay IT managers 500 euros per month and you have the nerve to brag about that? That's pathetic. You know damn well that in your native Canada an IT manager makes almost that amount in one single day. You're no better than the greedy corporations, the vultures, who swoop in and take advantage of desperate situations and use slave labour to fill their pockets.

Sounds like the Tribunal has no case so it is manufacturing cases about Seselj not obeying Tribunal's rules.

"Brammertz said that the trial will nevertheless enter its final phase in March, after which the sentence will be passed."

I think he has just admitted this isn't a fair trial and the result was pre-determined.

Danilo,

Your arguments really are pathetic. You have the image that because my permanent residence is the in UK I have no idea about the social situation in Serbia. I spend an awful lot of time in Serbia and when there I live amongst ordinary people in an ordinary way, all of the many people I know there just happen to hold very similar beliefs to me. You I presume hang out with your pretentious liberal lot by the philosophical faculty, hey perhaps you should show London a visit, there are many of you're types here, and you can discuss how much you love gays, hate patriotism, traditionalism, Christianity and all the rest of it.

Also it is pathetic that you try to twist my argument, I said people voted for the DS because of false promises, I never said they were stupid, but rather they were lied to and manipulated, your method of argument by twisting the words of others is ridiculous.

I dont even get why you live in Serbia, if you hate it so much, because Serbia will NEVER exist in the way you would like it to. And before you say it, I will tell you now, that once I am in a reasonable enough financial situation, I will leave the UK, I feel so sorry for all those decent Brits who have seen their country destroyed and reduced to a disgraceful place because of people with opinions like yours running the show. I quite frankly feel sorry for you, because of how honestly you believe in the rubbish you come out with, really pathetic.

Danilo, your comments just confirmed, yet again, that you are slime. I am sure your employees will be very interested to see your comments on here...hehe. Psssst....we know who you are. How do you like them apples?? You call others 'stupid', and then you put all this in writing on a public forum. My oh my...lol.
Cheers!!

It amazes me how Danilo thinks he does more for the Serbian people than he claims Dragan does, afterall im pretty sure he doesn't know Dragan and the life he lives.

It is also interesting how Danilo does in fact repeat the sort of crap ceda comes out with. But then again I think all this ranting by Danilo is due to the reality that his qualifications have landed him in a dead-end job, and he has deluded himself that the EU will make him rich. Come to think of it Danilo, if you licked enough back sides then the EU could indeed make you very rich indeed. Im sure ceda is making a nice sum of money for promoting those views.

Zoran, Dragan.

If Seselj were released before the elections, it would only help Tadic. SRS would take some votes away from SNS and maybe DSS, weakening all 3 parties (who mostly hate each other and wouldn't be able to form a coalition).

so, anyway, congratulations on demonstrating, once again, that you don't have a clue about Serbian politics.

I'd be interested in hearing specifics about delays, apart from the hunger strike and self-representation. This article implies that Brammertz has admitted fault on the part of the ICTY, yet doesn't remind us of how the Hague has failed in its process. This trial has gone on for so long that I, for one, have begun to lose track of events. I also couldn't help but notice that there were no direct quotes here. I hope nothing was taken out of context.

Also left out of the story were the contempt of court trials (I think there have been several). We hear a lot about the unusual length of the proceedings in the Serbian media but I don't think issues such as self-representation, contempt of court charges and hunger strikes are insignificant. If the self-proclaimed Greatest Legal Mind in Serbia had adhered to fundamental courtroom principle and hired, say, the Greatest Legal Mind in Russia, this trial might have been over with years ago.

Just my personal opinion - I think the guy likes being there. He gets to hang out with all his greatest heros: Mladic, Karadzic, Stanisic, Frenki...and for the first few, his biggest hero of all, Sloba. And of course, he gets to show off al his glorious brilliance in front of the cameras.

By self representing himself, everytime he has been "ill" for the last 9 years the trial had to be postponed. Everytime he filed a charge against the court, the trial had to be postponed until the matter was decided. Everytime he needed "more time" to examine the evidence the trial had to be postponed.
No one has ever accused him of not being clever. But true the court is at fault for not putting a stop to the delays and appointing a counsel to continue when he was unable but then everyone of you complaining about the length of the trial would nonly be complaining that he was being railroaded and how he was not given time to prepare.

@ Serbian Liar -No success story?!? How? They have done exactly what they wanted. Imprisoned an innocent Serb for almost a decade.

Is this the same Seselj that stated" We will gauge out the eyes of our enemies with rusty spoons". This evil evil man will be locked up for life, just like the rest of so called Krajina leadership. The quicker Serbia forgets about this man the better!

"there is no reason that SRS, DSS, and even SNS can come to some alliance to form a government"

Except for the fact that they hate each other.

Again, these kooky theories by 'serbs' in the diaspora only highlight how little they really understand Serbian politics.

International law must be much faster in its processes. I would suggest that the prosecution should make a preliminary case without reference to the defence, the defence then be given a standard period to pose answers, then a preliminary verdict be given and a sentence initiated. The main trial could then proceed (whatever the outcome of the preliminary trial) partly on the basis that it is functioning as an appeal against the earlier verdict and as well as by going more deeply into the evidence. Obviously this puts more emphasis on the prosecution to ensure that they have a clear-cut case during the first trial, as a not-guilty verdict may make it much more unlikely that the main trial will be able to proceed. It is only right that they establish quickly that there is a case to answer.

The idea that legal process and brute awkwardness should slow justice is something that I do not agree with.

Justice should not be hijacked by mere 'cleverness' on the part of defendants or lawyers.

Dragan,

I know that sort of talk is probably popular in any church basement or dreary "Serbian night" in some pub in Hamilton, but if you think that that sort of position would have much traction in Belgrade, again, it's a sign of how little you know Serbia.

Cheers! :)

"Firstly, if this were true, the NATO war criminals would release him immediately to assure another election victory by their man on the inside"

you overestimate how much of a rat's a** the world really cares about Serbia.

As long as they're not killing their neighbours, no one really gives a crap

woa. settle down little Britain.

Neither of you have addressed my main points, and I suspect it's because you can't.

There's a limited number of votes.

So, who's Seselj going to take votes from? Are people who voted DS or LDP going to switch to Seselj? No. People who already voted for SRS, or they'll win votes from SNS or DSS.

That will weaken SNS and DSS and strengthen a weak SRS.

All of this will only help the DS

"care to reply to any of my previous points?"

What points? That Serb are basically more primitive than western countries and smash up each other when there's a gay parade? You're right. no argument here.

As for "you don't really understand Serbs; I do". I'm not claiming that I have my finger on the pulse of Serbia, only that you don't. We can argue forever (me sitting in Belgrade, you in London).

My only point really, is that I find it funny how all these big Serbs who don't live in Serbia think some pretty strange things when it comes to certain topics: DSS, Seselj, EU ascension.

I really don't care either way. I have a nice little business here in Belgrade providing services cheaply to my main business. If things go further into crap here, it just means more, cheaper labour for me.

@ Roger.

It's true whether I say it out loud or not.

Danilo,

Don't mind these people you are arguing with. They belong to a certain ...clan, I would say. I know a number of similar minds, in Albanian clans, too. Whenever you make a critical point they tell you: You hate Serbia/Serbs/Albanians.

They go saying things like "Seselj [...] is a very good speaker, very intelligent, [...]".

You see, at some point of their lives things went wrong with them. Maybe they have faced injustice, treated incorrectly or felt they are inadequate, insufficient, for a reason or another. And today they can't make difference between what is intelligent and what is simply arrogant, violently arrogant.

Unfortunately these clans do not breed only in the Balkans; you find them everywhere. There's a big camp of them in the USA, for example.

I, on the other hand, send money to my family with no strings attached, and they don't even have to do any demeaning work for it. Guess who is the biggest investor in the Serbian economy? No, it's not the EU or the Yanks....it's the Serb diaspora! Your favourite people :). Between 3 to 5 billion annually according to B92.
[link]
Keep patting yourself on the back if it makes you feel good, but Serbia would be much, much better off without you and your ilk.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 10 December 2011 23:21)

Dragon,

By sending money to your poor family in Serbia is not helping the Serbian economy, it is only keeping your family off the government dole. Investing in a country or anything else entails having that money help create new jobs or in some way strengthen its economy. I am not saying you are not doing the right thing by providing for your family. However, can't you see that you are encouraging them to be parasites of Serbian society. Allowing them to work, even if the jobs are, in your words, so-called demeaning, will give your family members a sense of self worth.

Oops...and now I see the paragraph about contempt of court charges. My sincere apologies to B92.

You never did address my original point:

Seselj in Serbian politics only means bleeding votes from SRS and DSS, which would only help DS.

"What it comes down to is the very nature of the Serbian people, in that they are naturally conservative and patriotic"

right.

So, they're all for SRS, even those who voted for DS, except they're idiots who were fooled.

SCPUK,

I'd offer you a job in my data-centre in Belgrade, but I really don't think you'd fit in with the team.

with my 7 full-time employees, employed officially (taxes paid) at a rate of 20% hire than the average rate, with all my rents and expenses, this "serb-hater" as you like to characterize me, does more concrete good for Serbs and Serbia every month than you will in your entire life.

Cheers :)
(Danilo, 10 December 2011 16:45)

congrats on your business and good luck with it. Out of curiosity, taking advantage of what Dragan says too, what is the average pay for an IT worker in Belgrade? No need to be precise, just an estimate. In Tirana, for example it is around 600-700 euros a month. This is a personal estimate of course, I know people who make around 1000 a month as well as people who make around 400. It depends on the type of job and on the company of course.

"You know damn well that in your native Canada an IT manager makes almost that amount in one single day."


I didn't come to Serbia for the cevapcici :)

Dragan,

Dismiss your political opponents all you like with name-calling. Fact is, these are Serbs voted in by Serbs (approximately half of those who voted).

Doesn't that tell you that maybe your idea of there being a "one, twu Serb way", is a bit off?

"Otpor"

hey! Look who's stuck in the 90s!

As for paying a pittance, I already said I pay 20% more than Serbian employers and pay their taxes, something Serbian employers aren't offering. Every time I have an opening, I have 10 qualified candidates just by word of mouth. So, quit hating Serbs and saying I should go away :)

I'm sure Serbian diaspora are the biggest investor. I'm not comparing myself to an entire demographic, I'm just comparing myself to you. I've probably done more for Serbia today than you will all year.


Roger, IT managers get paid 500 euros in Belgrade. Maybe Albania can do some outsourcing in Serbia :)

Dragan.

Thanks for your suggestion, but Serbia's good enough for now for me. After all, I do speak the language here :) I'm sure Albania would be EVEN stupider than Serbia, so no thanks. I'm not interested in even more frustrations.

But you know... There's a funny little irony in all this that I don't mind being a little smug about:

with my 7 full-time employees, employed officially (taxes paid) at a rate of 20% hire than the average rate, with all my rents and expenses, this "serb-hater" as you like to characterize me, does more concrete good for Serbs and Serbia every month than you will in your entire life.

Cheers :)

"deluded himself that the EU will make him rich"

You're not very good at reading comprehension, are you?

I do think that Serbia would be better off in the EU, however, like I already said, I don't really care one way or another.

If things stay the same here, I make money.

If things get worse, I make more money.

If things get better, I go to Niš.


Now that I suspect this offends Dragan, I'll smile even wider on my way to the bank.

Zoran, Dragan.

If Seselj were released before the elections, it would only help Tadic. SRS would take some votes away from SNS and maybe DSS, weakening all 3 parties (who mostly hate each other and wouldn't be able to form a coalition).

so, anyway, congratulations on demonstrating, once again, that you don't have a clue about Serbian politics.

"there is no reason that SRS, DSS, and even SNS can come to some alliance to form a government"

Except for the fact that they hate each other.

Again, these kooky theories by 'serbs' in the diaspora only highlight how little they really understand Serbian politics.

"Firstly, if this were true, the NATO war criminals would release him immediately to assure another election victory by their man on the inside"

you overestimate how much of a rat's a** the world really cares about Serbia.

As long as they're not killing their neighbours, no one really gives a crap

"Otpor"

hey! Look who's stuck in the 90s!

As for paying a pittance, I already said I pay 20% more than Serbian employers and pay their taxes, something Serbian employers aren't offering. Every time I have an opening, I have 10 qualified candidates just by word of mouth. So, quit hating Serbs and saying I should go away :)

I'm sure Serbian diaspora are the biggest investor. I'm not comparing myself to an entire demographic, I'm just comparing myself to you. I've probably done more for Serbia today than you will all year.


Roger, IT managers get paid 500 euros in Belgrade. Maybe Albania can do some outsourcing in Serbia :)

Dragan,

I know that sort of talk is probably popular in any church basement or dreary "Serbian night" in some pub in Hamilton, but if you think that that sort of position would have much traction in Belgrade, again, it's a sign of how little you know Serbia.

Cheers! :)

woa. settle down little Britain.

Neither of you have addressed my main points, and I suspect it's because you can't.

There's a limited number of votes.

So, who's Seselj going to take votes from? Are people who voted DS or LDP going to switch to Seselj? No. People who already voted for SRS, or they'll win votes from SNS or DSS.

That will weaken SNS and DSS and strengthen a weak SRS.

All of this will only help the DS

"What it comes down to is the very nature of the Serbian people, in that they are naturally conservative and patriotic"

right.

So, they're all for SRS, even those who voted for DS, except they're idiots who were fooled.

"care to reply to any of my previous points?"

What points? That Serb are basically more primitive than western countries and smash up each other when there's a gay parade? You're right. no argument here.

As for "you don't really understand Serbs; I do". I'm not claiming that I have my finger on the pulse of Serbia, only that you don't. We can argue forever (me sitting in Belgrade, you in London).

My only point really, is that I find it funny how all these big Serbs who don't live in Serbia think some pretty strange things when it comes to certain topics: DSS, Seselj, EU ascension.

I really don't care either way. I have a nice little business here in Belgrade providing services cheaply to my main business. If things go further into crap here, it just means more, cheaper labour for me.

@ Serbian Liar -No success story?!? How? They have done exactly what they wanted. Imprisoned an innocent Serb for almost a decade.

Is this the same Seselj that stated" We will gauge out the eyes of our enemies with rusty spoons". This evil evil man will be locked up for life, just like the rest of so called Krajina leadership. The quicker Serbia forgets about this man the better!

By self representing himself, everytime he has been "ill" for the last 9 years the trial had to be postponed. Everytime he filed a charge against the court, the trial had to be postponed until the matter was decided. Everytime he needed "more time" to examine the evidence the trial had to be postponed.
No one has ever accused him of not being clever. But true the court is at fault for not putting a stop to the delays and appointing a counsel to continue when he was unable but then everyone of you complaining about the length of the trial would nonly be complaining that he was being railroaded and how he was not given time to prepare.

Dragan,

Dismiss your political opponents all you like with name-calling. Fact is, these are Serbs voted in by Serbs (approximately half of those who voted).

Doesn't that tell you that maybe your idea of there being a "one, twu Serb way", is a bit off?

I'd be interested in hearing specifics about delays, apart from the hunger strike and self-representation. This article implies that Brammertz has admitted fault on the part of the ICTY, yet doesn't remind us of how the Hague has failed in its process. This trial has gone on for so long that I, for one, have begun to lose track of events. I also couldn't help but notice that there were no direct quotes here. I hope nothing was taken out of context.

Also left out of the story were the contempt of court trials (I think there have been several). We hear a lot about the unusual length of the proceedings in the Serbian media but I don't think issues such as self-representation, contempt of court charges and hunger strikes are insignificant. If the self-proclaimed Greatest Legal Mind in Serbia had adhered to fundamental courtroom principle and hired, say, the Greatest Legal Mind in Russia, this trial might have been over with years ago.

Just my personal opinion - I think the guy likes being there. He gets to hang out with all his greatest heros: Mladic, Karadzic, Stanisic, Frenki...and for the first few, his biggest hero of all, Sloba. And of course, he gets to show off al his glorious brilliance in front of the cameras.

SCPUK,

I'd offer you a job in my data-centre in Belgrade, but I really don't think you'd fit in with the team.

No success story?!? How? They have done exactly what they wanted. Imprisoned an innocent Serb for almost a decade.

You never did address my original point:

Seselj in Serbian politics only means bleeding votes from SRS and DSS, which would only help DS.

@ Roger.

It's true whether I say it out loud or not.

Dragan.

Thanks for your suggestion, but Serbia's good enough for now for me. After all, I do speak the language here :) I'm sure Albania would be EVEN stupider than Serbia, so no thanks. I'm not interested in even more frustrations.

But you know... There's a funny little irony in all this that I don't mind being a little smug about:

with my 7 full-time employees, employed officially (taxes paid) at a rate of 20% hire than the average rate, with all my rents and expenses, this "serb-hater" as you like to characterize me, does more concrete good for Serbs and Serbia every month than you will in your entire life.

Cheers :)

Danilo,

Don't mind these people you are arguing with. They belong to a certain ...clan, I would say. I know a number of similar minds, in Albanian clans, too. Whenever you make a critical point they tell you: You hate Serbia/Serbs/Albanians.

They go saying things like "Seselj [...] is a very good speaker, very intelligent, [...]".

You see, at some point of their lives things went wrong with them. Maybe they have faced injustice, treated incorrectly or felt they are inadequate, insufficient, for a reason or another. And today they can't make difference between what is intelligent and what is simply arrogant, violently arrogant.

Unfortunately these clans do not breed only in the Balkans; you find them everywhere. There's a big camp of them in the USA, for example.

I, on the other hand, send money to my family with no strings attached, and they don't even have to do any demeaning work for it. Guess who is the biggest investor in the Serbian economy? No, it's not the EU or the Yanks....it's the Serb diaspora! Your favourite people :). Between 3 to 5 billion annually according to B92.
[link]
Keep patting yourself on the back if it makes you feel good, but Serbia would be much, much better off without you and your ilk.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 10 December 2011 23:21)

Dragon,

By sending money to your poor family in Serbia is not helping the Serbian economy, it is only keeping your family off the government dole. Investing in a country or anything else entails having that money help create new jobs or in some way strengthen its economy. I am not saying you are not doing the right thing by providing for your family. However, can't you see that you are encouraging them to be parasites of Serbian society. Allowing them to work, even if the jobs are, in your words, so-called demeaning, will give your family members a sense of self worth.

so, anyway, congratulations on demonstrating, once again, that you don't have a clue about Serbian politics.
(Danilo, 8 December 2011 18:02)

If Seselj were on the scene, he would openly call Tadic and his yellows traitors (which they are), give the EU the finger (which SNS is not doing), call for a military alliance with Russia, and call for the Serbs in Republika Srpska to have a referendum and join Serbia. This would in fact, completely expose Tadic's treasonous policies for what they are, embarrass him and his yellows, and embarrass the EU/Yanks and openly expose their anti-Serb double standards. If you think the EU/American war criminals want this to happen, you are completely clueless about geopolitics, and many other things, as you have demonstrated. Ignorance is bliss, so you must be a very happy dude.
Cheers!!

'Brammertz said that the trial will nevertheless enter its final phase in March, after which the sentence will be passed.'

Right after Serbian elections? Coincidenc? I think not. In court since 2003 for nothing other than free speech and thumbing his nose at the west. Does anyone need any more proof that the Hague is a political show trial whose job is to weaken and blacken Serbia?

'Russian Ambassador to UN Vitaly Churkin earlier demanded that The Hague Tribunal and Brammertz announce why Šešelj's trial has lasted for nine years and why a first instance verdict has not been delivered yet.'

Thank you again Mr. Churkin, you are saying the things that our own Serbian government should be saying. Serbia is currently occupied, not only by KFOR, but by an anti-Serb government that works for German/US interests. We need to rid ourselves of this fifth column in the next elections.

International law must be much faster in its processes. I would suggest that the prosecution should make a preliminary case without reference to the defence, the defence then be given a standard period to pose answers, then a preliminary verdict be given and a sentence initiated. The main trial could then proceed (whatever the outcome of the preliminary trial) partly on the basis that it is functioning as an appeal against the earlier verdict and as well as by going more deeply into the evidence. Obviously this puts more emphasis on the prosecution to ensure that they have a clear-cut case during the first trial, as a not-guilty verdict may make it much more unlikely that the main trial will be able to proceed. It is only right that they establish quickly that there is a case to answer.

The idea that legal process and brute awkwardness should slow justice is something that I do not agree with.

Justice should not be hijacked by mere 'cleverness' on the part of defendants or lawyers.

"deluded himself that the EU will make him rich"

You're not very good at reading comprehension, are you?

I do think that Serbia would be better off in the EU, however, like I already said, I don't really care one way or another.

If things stay the same here, I make money.

If things get worse, I make more money.

If things get better, I go to Niš.


Now that I suspect this offends Dragan, I'll smile even wider on my way to the bank.

"You know damn well that in your native Canada an IT manager makes almost that amount in one single day."


I didn't come to Serbia for the cevapcici :)

Danilo,

Your comments portray a great deal of arrogance on your part. Dragan is totally correct, to think that you and your delusional neo-liberak friends at the Philosophical Faculty of Belgrade are Serbia and somehow stand for the majority feeling of Serbia is totally wrong. You are in fact such a minority of Serbia, a group of people who have found common ground in the fact that all you care about is your own backsides, and know that your mass support for the EU will benefit you financially as long as you continue to kiss their arses. However the same is not for the ordinary Serbian people. The fact is that most Serbian people do care for their country and their people, where guys like you benefit is that so many of these people are disillusioned so they dont vote.

Dont try and fool people into believing that you know the social opinions of the Serbian people, the reactions to Kosovo's false declaration of independence, the arrests of Karadzic & Mladic, and the angry reactions to the shameful gay parades show the true feelings of Serbian people and that they are not on board with people like you.

Just out of interest (and I dont expect you to admit it but I shall pose the suggestion anyway), are you a member of the LDP, do you work for Cedomir Jovanovic and is part of your job to come on internet sites to promote the LDP's pathetic policies?

There are several reasons for that. The trial was plagued by many delays, Šešelj went on hunger strike and was self-represented at the court, he said, stressing that Šešelj did not make it easier for the Tribunal to speed up the trial.
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LOL!!! We are talking years here, not days. In fact, 9 years. How long can someone last on a hunger strike without dying? How about the 3 years it took to start the trial? Time to point the finger back at yourselves I think. This is yet another example of the political kangaroo court in action. I suspect they will wait until after the election before releasing (or killing) him.

Brammertz said that the trial will nevertheless enter its final phase in March, after which the sentence will be passed.


Mr. Brammertz how can you say a sentence will be passed, before a verdict is even reached. What a kanagroo court this has been.

Danilo,

It is not me who doesn't understand Serbian politics, but you. To say that because I live in the diaspora that I do not understand Serbian politics is utterly ridiculous. What it comes down to is the very nature of the Serbian people, in that they are naturally conservative and patriotic, or as you would characterise it "right-wing". Because the DS got a considerable amount of votes doesn't mean an awful lot, all it means is that they were easily swayed by false hopes and promises, such people can easily swing and vote for parties and the other end of the political spectrum.

I have answered your points, care to reply to any of my previous points? Or perhaps you will dodge them as usual.

Seselj in Serbian politics only means bleeding votes from SRS and DSS, which would only help DS.
(Danilo, 9 December 2011 15:51)

Firstly, if this were true, the NATO war criminals would release him immediately to assure another election victory by their man on the inside (Tadic) and his quislings.
Second, Seselj would increase the votes for all patriotic parties because he is a very good speaker, very intelligent, and tells it like it is. Even if what you say is true, there is no reason that SRS, DSS, and even SNS can come to some alliance to form a government, set up by Konuzin. After all, if the US can meddle and bring DS and Slobo's party SPS together, anything is possible. Try thinking outside the box, it would do you a world of good.
Cheers!!

Danilo,
Yeah, and the DS and SPS just loved each other...lol. You're a tool.

Danilo said, " If things go further into crap here, it just means more, cheaper labour for me."

I would be ashamed if I raised a son who would make such comments.

Danilo,

Your arguments really are pathetic. You have the image that because my permanent residence is the in UK I have no idea about the social situation in Serbia. I spend an awful lot of time in Serbia and when there I live amongst ordinary people in an ordinary way, all of the many people I know there just happen to hold very similar beliefs to me. You I presume hang out with your pretentious liberal lot by the philosophical faculty, hey perhaps you should show London a visit, there are many of you're types here, and you can discuss how much you love gays, hate patriotism, traditionalism, Christianity and all the rest of it.

Also it is pathetic that you try to twist my argument, I said people voted for the DS because of false promises, I never said they were stupid, but rather they were lied to and manipulated, your method of argument by twisting the words of others is ridiculous.

I dont even get why you live in Serbia, if you hate it so much, because Serbia will NEVER exist in the way you would like it to. And before you say it, I will tell you now, that once I am in a reasonable enough financial situation, I will leave the UK, I feel so sorry for all those decent Brits who have seen their country destroyed and reduced to a disgraceful place because of people with opinions like yours running the show. I quite frankly feel sorry for you, because of how honestly you believe in the rubbish you come out with, really pathetic.

It amazes me how Danilo thinks he does more for the Serbian people than he claims Dragan does, afterall im pretty sure he doesn't know Dragan and the life he lives.

It is also interesting how Danilo does in fact repeat the sort of crap ceda comes out with. But then again I think all this ranting by Danilo is due to the reality that his qualifications have landed him in a dead-end job, and he has deluded himself that the EU will make him rich. Come to think of it Danilo, if you licked enough back sides then the EU could indeed make you very rich indeed. Im sure ceda is making a nice sum of money for promoting those views.

If you are SO SURE that he committed those crimes then surely you can prove it in less than 9 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Serge, please don't insult our intelligence by putting blame on a 'hunger strike' & self representation... This may add maximum 3 mths to a trial but not 8 or 9 YEARS!!!

This is against human rights. At least let him go on parole.

Dragan,

I know that sort of talk is probably popular in any church basement or dreary "Serbian night" in some pub in Hamilton, but if you think that that sort of position would have much traction in Belgrade, again, it's a sign of how little you know Serbia.

Cheers! :)
(Danilo, 9 December 2011 10:20)

This coming from the guy who hates all things Serbian. Maybe in your 'elite' bootlicking liberal circles it won't get much traction, but with the smart Serbs who don't have their head up their hoo hoo, it gets lots of traction, trust me. Bye the way, maybe you haven't realized it yet, but Serbia is more than just Belgrade.
Cheers!!

Yeah you are doing wonders for Serbia, probably paying your employees a pittance, screening them so that you only hire Otpor self-hating Serb types, forcing them to kiss the picture of Ceda in the office, and spreading your message that everything in Serbia sucks (even though you don't mind taking advantage of the current unemployment rate there and filling your pockets).
I, on the other hand, send money to my family with no strings attached, and they don't even have to do any demeaning work for it. Guess who is the biggest investor in the Serbian economy? No, it's not the EU or the Yanks....it's the Serb diaspora! Your favourite people :). Between 3 to 5 billion annually according to B92.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=30&nav_id=71827
Keep patting yourself on the back if it makes you feel good, but Serbia would be much, much better off without you and your ilk.
Cheers!!

"Brammertz said that the trial will nevertheless enter its final phase in March, after which the sentence will be passed."

I think he has just admitted this isn't a fair trial and the result was pre-determined.

Danilo,
You think the SPS voters wanted this alliance with DS? Patriotic parties got more votes than Tadic in the last elections, but were shut out of government because of US meddling into Serbian internal affairs. Furthermore, Tadic and his quislings are less popular now, since the population has seen his treason first hand.
Now go kiss your picture of Ceda and get back to work.
Cheers!!

Sounds like the Tribunal has no case so it is manufacturing cases about Seselj not obeying Tribunal's rules.

Oops...and now I see the paragraph about contempt of court charges. My sincere apologies to B92.

Danilo I think you've embarrassed yourself enough already on here, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. Maybe put a sock in it and save yourself further embarrassment. And if it is cheap labour that you are looking for, I suggest you go to Albania. That way you won't have to deal with Serbia any more, since you hate Serbia, and you will be working in a place where everyone agrees with your anti-Serb views. I suggest you hire Roberto from Frisco, you two chums will get along splendidly, and have a gay old time.
Cheers!!

Danilo said, "I'm sure Albania would be EVEN stupider than Serbia"

Let me repeat that...

Danilo said, "I'm sure Albania would be EVEN stupider than Serbia"

You and roberto should become roommates and invite Lenard, too.
Your egos would not all fit in the same room.

Danilo, you pay IT managers 500 euros per month and you have the nerve to brag about that? That's pathetic. You know damn well that in your native Canada an IT manager makes almost that amount in one single day. You're no better than the greedy corporations, the vultures, who swoop in and take advantage of desperate situations and use slave labour to fill their pockets.

with my 7 full-time employees, employed officially (taxes paid) at a rate of 20% hire than the average rate, with all my rents and expenses, this "serb-hater" as you like to characterize me, does more concrete good for Serbs and Serbia every month than you will in your entire life.

Cheers :)
(Danilo, 10 December 2011 16:45)

congrats on your business and good luck with it. Out of curiosity, taking advantage of what Dragan says too, what is the average pay for an IT worker in Belgrade? No need to be precise, just an estimate. In Tirana, for example it is around 600-700 euros a month. This is a personal estimate of course, I know people who make around 1000 a month as well as people who make around 400. It depends on the type of job and on the company of course.

Danilo, your comments just confirmed, yet again, that you are slime. I am sure your employees will be very interested to see your comments on here...hehe. Psssst....we know who you are. How do you like them apples?? You call others 'stupid', and then you put all this in writing on a public forum. My oh my...lol.
Cheers!!