I have to admit that serbs in Northen Kosovo more than anyone else are working for Albanian couse.
I guess it beats albanians actually having to do any honest work so that they can rely on hand outs from their current powerful supporters. Just roll over and you'll have your belly tickled you little minx.
pro-me, 9 December 2011 08:28)
If you look at any of his works you will find he falls right in line with John Bostnitch and Judy Goren. His writing is so overwhelming prejudicial it could never be taken seriously. He paints the serbs as a cross between Saints and innocent victims and Albanians as having no redeeming qualities.
Look, there are alternatives but at this point in time we need to play our cards smart. The world is moving in a different direction. The South and Central Americas have formed a new union called Celac, where it excludes the USA and Canada but includes Cuba. Check -> [link]
Russia has also recently established the Eurasian Union, with modest beginnings but it will grow with time as the EU becomes more disfunctional. Check -> [link]/ This will be our path into Asia and the free world. There we will find many prosperous and strong friends. (Zoran, 8 December 2011 14:10)
I'm perlexed... I thought the evil US empire was a misery, but now you're saying that US is even more prosperous and strong than that EuroAsian or Celac union (since their average citizen earns a fraction of the US one). Sorry my friend but I think sj has provided enough brilliant analysis to convince us that the US empire is a misery.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
(William Dorich, 8 December 2011 22:11)
The buyer of these "books" must be only the Serbian church that then give for free to the "visitors". lol
Well, Mr. Tadic, I like your piece and your expressive words, but this is why Serbia is not moving ahead and not advancing in EU accession process. Because you as a leader are very good at words,but you are forgetting that EU is diverse and only words cannot 'trick' the EU to make them give you candidate status.
And the worst thing is that you still think you can trick them. I have a feeling like the more you see you cannot trick them, the more you try to trick them. Serbian political class is failing to understand that you need a big breakthrough in shifting the attitude and telling your people the truth; - that Kosovo is lost. It is not part of your country and you can only fight for it endelessly but you will never win it back. A big Serbian patriot would be the one who would 'forget about Kosovo' and fight for the prosperity and development of Serbia. Serbians deserve to be enlightened and to be washed from the sins of their leaders. But unfortunately, antionalism is in the heads of people like you Mr. tadic, too.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
(William Dorich, 8 December 2011 22:11)
Sounds like a truly impartial author... Is your work filed in the fantasy department?
"And why in God's name is it not Albanian "Nationalism" that they has cleansed 260,000 Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo, declared an illegal independence and established yet again another ethnically pure state in the Balkans?"
So Kosovo has now a negative number of Serbs? 260.000 expelled means 60.000 more than there were actually living. Magic!
Regarding the "illegal independence" Vuk has asked the ICJ and has even received an answer. Feel free to read it.
"Ethnically pure state" with K-Serbian ministers and MPs.. Amazing...
"William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
William Dorich"
Willie, based on your post you are far from being a credible author.
You should stick to your propaganda blog and let real authors do the writing.
Funny Mr President! when Germany or France fall into nationalism as they are today...we call it "pride" or "patriotism" for Serbia its the evil "nationalism" word used to describe it!! Maybe..Just maybe some of that "German pride" is just what we need now ??
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Slovenia broke away from Yugoslavia to form an ethnically pure, Roman Catholic Slovenia?
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Bosnian Muslims created the first muslim state in Europe by disallowing nearly 200,000 Bosnian Serb refugees in Belgrade to cast their votes in that first election when Alija Izetbegovic won by only 44,000 votes?
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Croatia cleansed every Serbs from their territory then formed yet another ethnically pure, Roman Catholic state in the Balkans?
And why in God's name is it not Albanian "Nationalism" that they has cleansed 260,000 Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo, declared an illegal independence and established yet again another ethnically pure state in the Balkans?
Some of the writers on here show the mindless cesspool from which they come, their double standards are hideous and they don't seem to have an "equal human rights" bone in their bodies. It appears that everyone in the Balkans deserves their own country and that Serbs in any of them are not entitled to any rights, much less human rights. How disgusting and what contempt it shows for international laws that will surely be once again violated if the Serbs dare join the EU. These other writers cleverly ignore the fact that these dismemberment Civil Wars and the amputation of sovereign Serbian territory was accomplished by violating the UN Charter, the UN Security Council resolution #1244, The Helsinki Final Act, the Geneva Conventions and the NATO Treaty.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
Hey William Dorich, when is the Serbian government going to pay for the billion dollars worth of damage it did in its bombing of Dubrovnik, Vukovar, and a dozen other Croatian towns? We're still waiting for that big fat check from the Serbian government...
Strange isn't it? What is the EU except a community of nations and where is a nation if its people don't believe in it? Isn't this nationalism? Consider the US and the Russian Federation. Nationalism doesn't work very will in either case. Both are a community of territories with different characters. Many of the earliest states in the US wanted to be independent countries at one time, Pennsylvania, for example. And many of the territories in the Russian Federation could not be considered Russian.
But the countries of the EU are distinct nations, they could not be describe as anything else. And many of these countries, Germany, for example, have struggled for indentification in the face of imperialism, both from within and without. Imperialism is subversive to nationalism. The history of Serbia is the history of the struggle to attain what the other nations of the EU have taken for granted for centuries. Now, just as the potential for a vital Serbian nation emmerges, for some reason, this is not to be encouraged.
Tadic is not a conspirator, he just doesn't know what he is talking about. This is like his proclomation that Serbia didn't want to make mistakes about international agreements that he didn't seem to understand. The man just isn't thinking very hard. I hope he doesn't make it in the next election.
In 2008 Serbs chose the EU over Kosovo in voting for Tadic and where has it got them? Voting for Tadic and EU over Serbia was a HUGE mistake. Serbia has no one in the government that cares about Serbia. They are all like Vichy Serbs for the EU.
so roberto, lemme get this through my thick skull. you have a beef with serb nationalism and serbs blaming everyone else, yet you proudly defend you adopted bosnian nationalism and blame serbs for everything.
if serbs dislike something, you say its their fault, but when you don't like something its someone elses, namely serbs' fault?
am i the only one who see this?
when are you gonna wake up and stop blaming other people for your woes?
when are you gonna blame the hand that feeds you for once and notice that the staunch nationalism (not-so-cleverly veiled as patriotism) in your home country is not better or worse than what you blame the serbs of.
I have to admit that serbs in Northen Kosovo more than anyone else are working for Albanian couse.
I encourage them to block roads, attack KFOR members on daily bases,because in 2 months they have done more work toward Ethic Albania than all albanians in 3 years of Indepenence.
I have stressed before,Tadic is smart and wants to make a deal about Kosovo,cut loses and move on with EU integration,because Serbia is in Europe not in Russian Federation.
Unfortunately for him,the crowd still lives in 1989.
As a double victim of Croatian genocide, I lost 17 of my relatives who were burned to death in the Serbian church in Vojnic in 1941 along with 97 other Serbian victims. During Operation Storm in August 1995 when 230,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed and 7,000 were murdered, the last 5 relatives of my name were too old and too sick to flee. I was notified by the Red Cross a month later that they were found with their throats slashed. Please stop preaching to me about tolerance, nationalism, fascism, socialism or communism.... I am sick of hearing about it in my lifetime. Why any Serb in his or her right mind would want to join the EU is absurd. Tadic is obscene as he kisses up to foreign dictatorship. The US has been a master of this EU charade constantly moving the goal post. First it was the capture of Milosevic, the the goal post was moved until Karadzic was captured, then the capture of Mladic before they would allow Serbs to join the EU. Now its this fictitious "nationalism" boogieman that is being use to deny the Serbs entry? That goal post will continue to be moved until Serbs are once again on their knees begging their masters in the EU and the US for a loaf of bread. Apparently to those who support Tadic 400 years of Ottoman slaver was not enough... he and his ilk want to enslave you to foreign powers, foreign debt, NATO military installations on your soil. Tito was in a way enslaved by the US with billions of dollars in foreign aid that he could never pay back. When this war started in 1991 Yugoslavia was over $10 billion in foreign debt but no one seems to recall this fact. But that will most likely be the final goal post to entry into the EU, the repayment of this previous debt.
Do any of you really think that Croatia is prosperous or that Montenegro can survive with less than 600,000 citizens without massive foreign debt? These morons in the EU prove that they are like drug pushers willing to string out any country on enough foreign debt to control them forever. Do any of the 27 EU countries ever mention that their individual national constitutions are now not worth the paper they are written on? The EU (read NAZI Germany) owns them heart and souls. Imagine the Germans lost WWI yet they are right back where they want to be... in control of all of Europe.
Serbs have survived 400 years of Muslim occupation and because we were industrious and not afraid of hard work the Serbs managed to survive, just like they are proving that they can survive 78 days of bombing. More bombs were dropped on Serbia in 78 days then were dropped on Yugoslavia during 4 years of World War II. The United States emptied out all of their warehouses and stockpiles of weapons including using experimental weapons during that 78 days of bombing. They used illegal cluster bombs on you and depleted uranium weapons... little wonder why birth defects are up 3,000% from 1990 figures and that the birth defects are out of control. Those hideous sanctions denied you basic medicine, bandages, XRay supplied and blood, yet they told you they went to war for "humanitarian reasons" how inhuman was their behavior? You lived through the generosity of NATO and the US now you want to climb in bed with these morons? Serbs are supposed to believe that the EU, NATO and the US have their best interest at heart? Why have they not given Serbia the $60 billion to replace those bridges they destroyed and to rebuild what they bombed including 9,000 Serbian homes? They even bombed 11 Serbian cemeteries in order to erase centuries of your existence in some of those regions.
Stop letting these idiots drag you around with a ring in your nose. The US got what they wanted, a major military base in the heart of the Balkans at Camp Bondsteel, the single largest American military base in the world built since Vietnam. Did the Americans pay Serbia a single dime for that property that they stole under the guise of human rights protection? Meanwhile the Serb population of $240,000 twenty years ago in Kosovo has been reduced to 98,000. Serbs are required to live in northern Kosovo in barbed wire enclosed ghettos protected by so called NATO forces, yet 513 ancient Serbian Christian churches were destroyed in the past 10 years as 17,000 NATO troops stood by and did nothing.
Wake up Serbia, they will demonize you until you are again enslaved. I am simply amazed that you do not insist on continuously repeating to the world that 40% of Kosovo is made up of illegal alien Albanians who were never born in former Yugoslavia or Serbia and have crossed your border from Albania as easily as the Mexicans who cross our borders each night in El Paso Texas and San Diego California. We Americans can't seem to control these 11 million illegal aliens in our country and we are just as easily ignoring the illegal Albanians who are amputating parts of your nation with more parts yet to be amputated. If you allow this to continue what will be left of Serbia will be Kalemedgan Park.
When WWI ended the Croats and Slovenes were like rats fleeing a sinking ship who wanted to join in The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (a fictitious settlement by foreign powers) when it became obvious that they had lost the war with their German partners. 26 years later in the Second World War you lost over 1.5 million Victims and no one was brought to justice for those war crimes. Today there are 1.2 million Serbian refugees from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo who have been denied the right to return and to reclaim their property yet these same morons want you to get on your knees and kiss their back sides to allow you to exist as a member of the EU? Are you kidding? Are Serbian leaders out of their minds?
The EU and the US bombed your country doing $60 billion in damage that none of them are willing to repair. They bombed over 50 bridges, 200 Serbian schools, 11 Serbian hospitals, 9 Nursing Homes, 11 Serbian churches, 9,000 Serbian homes, over 60 major manufacturing facilities and more than 65 agricultural facilities putting more than 50% of the Serb population out of work. Now you want to join these EU idiots who are on the verge of bankruptcy? It seems to me the EU needs Serbia far more than the Serbs need the EU.
Wiston first I apologize for every crime that every single Albanian has done to every single Serb. If you want I apologize even for every Albanian Ruler of Ottoman Empire that has oppressed Serbs, but to be fair this ruler has oppressed in the same way the Albanians, Greeks, Arabs. The same has done the Ottoman ruler with Serb origin or Greek or whatever.
My point is to let Ottoman era apart and to analyze things from the moment that are created the National States, when Bismarck created Germany, Garibaldi the Italy and so on. What has done Serbian state since it was created? They pretend to recreate the Kingdom of Serbia of 13th century. Maybe at that time I justify the elite of Serbia, because was in fashion to win Colonies, the same for example pretended Duce for Italy the recreation of Roman Empire. And they with the help of the World Powers partly arrive the goal with the annexation of Vojvodina,, Sandzak, Kosova, North Macedonia and Montenegro. Now I am interested for what happen to the Albanian that was included in Serbia. For decades they were treated with the worst method of that time of Colonization and Assimilation till WWII. Yes Albanian has created their Scanderbeg Nazis, but also other Albanians has liberated Kosova from Nazis. At the end of WWII Albanians are counted in the Antifascist part of Europe. During Tito regime Albanians were treated like second hand citizens, and to finalize the treatment of Serbian state versus Albanians we see all in TV the genocide of Well Armed Army(Milosevic) versus 1.7 million unarmed civilian. So tell me If you want me to apologize in my knees.
I find it very interesting that the people who really love Tadic are foreigners - Americans, Germans, Brits, French... They all think he's great. It reminds me of Yeltsin, who the west just loved, but the Russians absolutely hated.
Boris, if you or your advisors are reading this, let me assure you that you are the Serbian Yeltsin. You have sold your soul to the EU anti-Serb gang, and your reign of shame is almost over. You will be replaced, and let's hope that a Serbian version of Putin will arise and govern for Serbian citizens, for Serbian interests. You can always work for some US sponsored NGO and go around the world making speeches. We have had enough of you pathetic quislings.
(Dragan, 8 December 2011 14:31)
If its only the foreigners who love Tadic and not the Serbians, why was he elected by Serbs????
I'm sure Tadic knows the truth but he has failed to communicate it properly to his constituents . Because of this failure Serbia is missing the chance, once again, to move forwards. His failure proves that Serbia is already bent over under the weight of nationalism. Nationalism in Serbia is a current reality. It's not a consequence of Europe's politics, as Tadic wants to portray it but it's the cause of Europe's behavior towards Serbia. Tadic is not a patriot. He is just the average Serbian politician of 21-st century. He is not willing to make hard decisions. He may sound more liberal tha Kostunica but his deeds are no better than his.
(miri, 8 December 2011 11:06)
an excellent posting among a few others. they are stuck in a time warp that is so very self-defeating, but instead they blame everyone but themselves. how to change this mindset, that is the question.
Personally, as a Serb, I hope that Serbia does not get accepted into the EU. Apart from it being bankrupt, and the fact that no other country was required to relinguish its territory to be admitted, it will be good to see those who are so drunk on this useless prospect, to realize that it was all not worth a penny. Once they realize that, they will see that Tadic sold out his country for something that was all along, worthless.
Hence, there goes the elections for Tadic. Mind you, if Tadic does not get the acceptance, he himself might put on a nationalistic front, only to get re-elected. Afterall, take a look at the other sellout, Dacic.
Sigh. Well, according to scientists (if anyone listens to them anymore) once the full effects of environmental destruction set in, it really won't matter if Kosovo belongs to Serbia, or if Serbia belongs to the EU, or who slaughtered who back in 1415. The earth is dying, the human race is self-destructing. Get your heads out of the clouds and get real.
Dori, you go first in apologizing for all the crimes committed by Albanians against Serbs in KiM. Ever since your people brown-nosed the Ottoman empire, even changing your faiths, to the present, Albanians have been killing and trying to drive Serbs out of KiM. Remember your Skenderbegs joining the Nazis during WWII? On your knees, Dori, apologize to the Serbian people, and maybe we can consider an honest dialogue with you?
@TR&JG you choke up me. I think that you classify yourself in that group of Serbs or ProSerbs that are different from nationalist, but you are worst.
Your posts give me the impression that is EU that has to enter in Serbia and not Serbia in EU. Stop exaggerating, because greatness is the problem of Serbia and as far I know Balkan people this illness is at extremis in Serbia. This “great leader” that are available in Serbia has to do only one thing for Balkan and EU, heal Serbia from mythology and nationalism. If they do this everything is easier for Serbia and EU. Is not EU hesitation that is feeding Serbian nationalism but is Serbian nationalism that makes EU to hesitate.
Nationalism has brought nothing good to Serbia. More Serbs become nationalist more lands they lose. This time God knows who'll become independent; Vojvodina, Sandzak, Presheva Valley, etc.
I’m always puzzled with the level of these analysts that start with great eulogy about Serbia and her progress but in the end for their main argument of why Serbia should have closer relation with EU is the threat: if this or that is not given to Serbia, then the nationalism there will rule the country again.
Where is the logical link between democracy and free worlds values with the blackmail of nationalism (and consequently violence) that in your mind can so easily be brought together under same a umbrella- that of the EU????
Is it so hard to understand that the blackmail is not qualitivative argument, anymore, dear analyst(s)??
The Serbian nationalism was a solid argument and bargain/blackmail card that Serbia used it wisely during the 90s. Then, Serbia could do that for a very simple reason: there was a total imbalance of fire power between Serbia and the rest of the Yugo nations. That is not the case now.
Thus all your nationalists that tomorrow will get in power can do is to hit the wall with their heads.
If you believe your nationalists can destabilise Kosova you are badly mistaken: with or without NATO’s involvement – this is not 1999.
If you think your nationalists tomorrow can destabilise Bosnia, be sure that Bosnian army will wipe off Republika Srpska in a week time, just as the 5th corpus of BiH army almost did by the end of the Bosnian war. It was the “evil” US that saved Banja Luka, remember???
So what else can your nationalists do but get drunk and sing songs that they will make all Serbia up to Tokyo??? Whose lost will that be??? Yes of course it will be great lost for Serbia’s neighbours as well, as they would have to be in alert and invest huge resources in their defence. But certainly the one that will lose the most is the Serbian people, the same one that you say are smart. Then they should be smart enough and stop blackmailing as no one buys that bluff anymore. Time for cultural change in Serbia dear analyst??? No?? so sad! Yes to EU money but with Seselj's values???
Nationalism has brought nothing good to Serbia. More Serbs become nationalist more lands they lose. This time God knows who'll become independent; Vojvodina, Sandzak, Presheva Valley, etc.
(Avni, 8 December 2011 15:07)
It's interesting, that nationalism brought a lot to KAlbs.
Serbia would be an immeasurable ‘plus’ for the EU, especially in this period of economical crisis.
Is there any other country in Europe which has (at the same time) better relations/ties with Russia + China + the CEFTA + Independent States then Serbia.
I hope that EU-leaders will realize that with integrating Serbia, they have an excellent door to this very big part/market of the World.
While Merkel and Sarkozy and/or other EU-leaders are trying to find the good trick to make the EU survive, the solution might be ready to take it … (Integrate) Serbia, the door to Russia, China and CEFTA…
Serbia has a strong strategic position. It is on the correct place to make Russia + China work together with US + EU. It is on a very important position to make EU work together with its direct CEFTA neighbors…who will have a positive influence on the stability of the EU and its borders…
As I already said before… The EU needs Serbia more then visa versa… and I hope that EU-leaders will understand this…
However, last months, the US, EU and the world have seen that they were completely wrong by pushing Kosovo to its unilateral declaration of independence.
The question is now only if those who pushed Kosovo, are know correct, honest and smart and brave enough to admits this, by not making their Kosovo-mistake a new condition for not granting the EU-candidate status …
Let’s see how brave and correct they are…
When Serbia would not be granted the deserved status, then it will say more about the EU-decision makers, then about Serbia.
Serbia is ready for this status, but I doubt that the EU is ready for it (intellectually)…
But, there are more ‘strategic wise leaders’ in Serbia then in many other EU-countries. Do not forget that Serbia has many people who had a long experience in running/managing several republics and cultures in the YU era… Isn’t it that what the EU is now looking for?
Please EU-leaders, go consult the Serbian leaders, they have wise ideas…
I worked as a diplomat in an Embassy in Belgrade and I am internationally selected (on world level) as an important analyst for that region.
Whatever be the decision, please continue to be that strong Serbia!
(JG, 8 December 2011 13:34)
I worked as a fighter pilot in space, have blown up a death star and have a father who wears a black uniform and a helmet all the time (but at least he has a cool voice). Pleased to meet you, Mr. diplomat.
Oh dear, history repeating once again. Under NAZI occupation I'm sure many considered whether joining them would be wiser than resistance. We do hear how some Serbians proudly confess their grandfather fought for the Austro-Hungarians or argue that we shouldn't have opposed the NAZIs and the same people claim it would be wiser for Serbia to join NATO and the EU.
You see, I do understand where Tadic is coming from. It doesn't mean he isn't a sell-out, he is. However it is a similar situation to that of Nedic during WWII. Under occupation, we are surrounded by NATO and EU wannabes (i.e. NAZIs and Axis members back then) and there is not too much room for maneuver at the moment. We are an island of resistance and we have to be patient until liberation. Germany in fact is doing us a great favour by delaying progress.
Look, there are alternatives but at this point in time we need to play our cards smart. The world is moving in a different direction. The South and Central Americas have formed a new union called Celac, where it excludes the USA and Canada but includes Cuba. Check -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16021120
Russia has also recently established the Eurasian Union, with modest beginnings but it will grow with time as the EU becomes more disfunctional. Check -> http://rt.com/news/eurasian-union-eu-better-667/ This will be our path into Asia and the free world. There we will find many prosperous and strong friends. The weakest link is Romania and although it seems committed to its EU and NATO status, it will be one of the first to fall.
Turkey, Albania and Qatar will have some very serious problems soon. Rome wasn't built in a day but it fell in one. That is the thing about these cycles, it takes a long time to build an empire but they fall very quickly.
I find it very interesting that the people who really love Tadic are foreigners - Americans, Germans, Brits, French... They all think he's great. It reminds me of Yeltsin, who the west just loved, but the Russians absolutely hated.
Boris, if you or your advisors are reading this, let me assure you that you are the Serbian Yeltsin. You have sold your soul to the EU anti-Serb gang, and your reign of shame is almost over. You will be replaced, and let's hope that a Serbian version of Putin will arise and govern for Serbian citizens, for Serbian interests. You can always work for some US sponsored NGO and go around the world making speeches. We have had enough of you pathetic quislings.
In the long term, neither the EU or Russia are good options for Serbia. The EU is in financial ruin and has a rapidly declining and aging population. Likewise, Russia will eventually collapse from population decline, severe social problems, poor health, low life-expectancy, and rising radicalism on the borders.
SCP UK, 8 December 2011 12:37
While you may want to snuggle up to the great white bear, take a look actually where your economical support comes from. Those of you who root for the collapse of the west have no clue what your future will bring.
You have a ‘great leader’.
He has a very good strategic view. I can understand that his advisors are working very well. I could not find one single argument which was not correct in his statements of this article. Serbia may be very proud on this leader!
However, I am not sure that all EU-leadership may have the same wide and clear strategic view as he, but only make a decision which is not intelligent enough.
Indeed, your president is right: the risk that the EU might take by not granting the EU-candidate status to Serbia is far bigger then by granting the status to Serbia (even with a Kosovo-issue not yet solved). Indeed, in the EU those leaders should understand that stronger nationalism might pop-up again in Serbia…
Serbia is a great country! I spend a lot of time in Serbia, but I live in another EU-country…
Serbia has even an over-capacity of leadership, strategic view, ideas, and openness, nice and exemplary people and discipline… when you would compare this to some other nations, which are already inside the EU.
It would be a tremendous ‘plus’ if Serbia could join the EU as soon as possible.
I do hope that all EU-decision makers are wise and experienced enough to make Serbia EU-candidate.
Serbia is a real EU state, and many other EU-countries should take an example by Serbia!
But, whom of those EU-decision makers do really know the positive arguments and value of Serbia?
I hope that those EU-leaders will use a clear and well over thought table of plus and minus bullets to make their decisions.
I think that I may say that I do know Serbia: I worked as a diplomat in an Embassy in Belgrade and I am internationally selected (on world level) as an important analyst for that region.
Whatever be the decision, please continue to be that strong Serbia!
Right, so its better for Serbia to join a union which is on the way to total collapse, while in that time the political elites in Serbia profit hugely while the ordinary people suffer with higher taxes to fund the infrastructures of foreign countries. And anyway when the EU collapses the majority of countries in Europe will face nationalist gains.
At least nationalists are honest about their belifs and are not willing to sell themselves for cash (and please no examples about Milosevic, who was never a true nationalist). A rise in nationalism in Serbia can only mean a country which will stand up for itself in the face of western colonisation, and taking a hard line stance over the seperatism and terrorism by the albanians in Kosovo. But even for the social well being of society, the various nationalist groups in Serbia have more coherent and realistic policies to have the ordinary person living in Serbia.
This leadership doesn't care about the Serbian people, only their own pockets, and that is why they fear nationalism so much because they do care for the people, and wish make traitors like Tadic history.
I believe that the Eu will grant candidate status to Serbia because as Tadic says without the EU Serbia could slide back into the grim situation of the 90's. Besides it is only candidate status, nothing more.
Two questions to you: Could you point out the contents of "Serbian pride"?
You mention Nikola Tesla as a motivation to your drive for Serbian nationalism. Tesla would disagree heavily with you as he was against ethnic nationalism. Please, drop him from your list. And you could ask Djokovic if he wants to be dragged into your project.
Tesla himself showed more interest in hinduism than in orthodox Christianity, or in Christianity in any form.
And here's my second question: Knowing that many Serbs (also here on B92's comment pages) are tying up their Serb ethnicity with Orthodoxy - saying that a non-Orthodox Serb is not a Serb - you don't agree with this thinking?
It’s psychological case. Shortly I have to say that the best and long term solution in all cases when we have an aggressor and a victim is as below:
First Serbia has to accept to itself the crimes that has done in Kosova, and I’m not speaking only for the crimes of Milosevic, but since 1912.
Second has to ask forgiveness to Kosova people.
Third has to commence a sincere reconciliation with Albanian. We are ready for this.
If the story don’t pass from this three steps is difficult that Serbia doesn’t sink. God save Serbia and all of us.
Basically he is trying to bribe Germany into granting Serbia EU candidacy. If refusal is all it takes for Serbs to fall back on the awful nationalism of the late 80's & 90's
"without EU Serbia sinks" On the contrary Tadic, Serbia as all Serbs are more more aware of the opposite ;And as elections draw ever nearer they will know -
WITHOUT THE EU SERBIA WILL RISE WITH PRIDE
As ever the Serbian ethos has been told before and when followed Serbia always rose by acknowleeging and bowing to no-one on earth so Serbs ignore Tadic with his delusions of grandeur and recall one of our wise fore fathers;
At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth—no one
—St. Sava to Ireneus, 13th century
Just because Serbia wants to self-destruct with its famous nationalism, it does not mean that Europe should make concessions to Serbia. Serbia has been told that it can enter EU only without Kosova. Tadic should be a man and stop whining about his failure. He should recognize Kosova as it's sovereign neighbor and move on. The first step in doing this is to fire his foreign minister who paints a nationalistic Serbia wherever he goes. There is no model that Serbia can follow and definitely not a German model. West Germany did not try to cleanse East Germany from it's people. There are also fundamental differences in the history and the ingredients of two Germanys. It's ironic that this model was brought into plate during troika negotiations and was categorically refused by Kostunica and Tadic.
So what's the deal then? Does this mean tha all you have to do is just wait and Serbia would eventually succumb to the will of Europe? We knew this all along. Serbia received Kosova as a gift because of Europe. Now it pretend that it can hold on to that in spite of Europe.
I'm sure Tadic knows the truth but he has failed to communicate it properly to his constituents . Because of this failure Serbia is missing the chance, once again, to move forwards. His failure proves that Serbia is already bent over under the weight of nationalism. Nationalism in Serbia is a current reality. It's not a consequence of Europe's politics, as Tadic wants to portray it but it's the cause of Europe's behavior towards Serbia. Tadic is not a patriot. He is just the average Serbian politician of 21-st century. He is not willing to make hard decisions. He may sound more liberal tha Kostunica but his deeds are no better than his.
It is very obvious that Tadics Political agenda,
as according to His Own Words,
Sacrifises Serbia and the Serbian Peoples National Identity and Future,
on the Altar of EU integration.
Well Tadic, Serbs have always had to put their pride aside for whatever was the in thing in the Balkans. Today it's blinded EUnthusiasm and neo-liberalism. Yesterday it was bratstvo i jedinstvo and Yugo communism. The day before that it was the 3rd Riech, granted it was mostly Serbia's neighbors..Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats that jumped on that bandwagon but even Serbia had puppets like Milan Nedic who tried to hop on.
Now Tadic is a treasonous and traitorous president willing to sell off Serbia for whatever the 'cool' thing is in the Balkans. And once again just as in the past, Serb Orthodoxy, culture and pride is not as important as the 'in' thing.
Well Tadic, as long as Serbia cleans up its broken, corrupted system and social injustice..we should defiantly try nationalism. Pride in your country is common everywhere in the West.
but Serbs have Nikola Tesla, Novak Djokovic, Emir Kusturica among other people and reasons we have to be proud about...nationalism should be given a chance...everything else has.
Not even the €USSR themselves can come up with a solution to their imminent collapse, let alone a reason for anyone to join them down to rock bottom, but for poor Boris and the quislings (good name for a band)there is only one way to go so please, by all means, after the elections we don´t have to do like the Otporists™ in every eastern country, most recently in Russia, to cry FOUL long before it´s over. For the hapless Tadic it has been over since the last rigged election and even before that. No NED-money no US-support and no whatever threats he can come up with in the world can save him. If he "wins" again, that street rally and popular uprising will be VERY real...
Well Tadic, Serbs have always had to put their pride aside for whatever was the in thing in the Balkans. Today it's blinded EUnthusiasm and neo-liberalism. Yesterday it was bratstvo i jedinstvo and Yugo communism. The day before that it was the 3rd Riech, granted it was mostly Serbia's neighbors..Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats that jumped on that bandwagon but even Serbia had puppets like Milan Nedic who tried to hop on.
Now Tadic is a treasonous and traitorous president willing to sell off Serbia for whatever the 'cool' thing is in the Balkans. And once again just as in the past, Serb Orthodoxy, culture and pride is not as important as the 'in' thing.
Well Tadic, as long as Serbia cleans up its broken, corrupted system and social injustice..we should defiantly try nationalism. Pride in your country is common everywhere in the West.
but Serbs have Nikola Tesla, Novak Djokovic, Emir Kusturica among other people and reasons we have to be proud about...nationalism should be given a chance...everything else has.
Not even the €USSR themselves can come up with a solution to their imminent collapse, let alone a reason for anyone to join them down to rock bottom, but for poor Boris and the quislings (good name for a band)there is only one way to go so please, by all means, after the elections we don´t have to do like the Otporists™ in every eastern country, most recently in Russia, to cry FOUL long before it´s over. For the hapless Tadic it has been over since the last rigged election and even before that. No NED-money no US-support and no whatever threats he can come up with in the world can save him. If he "wins" again, that street rally and popular uprising will be VERY real...
I find it very interesting that the people who really love Tadic are foreigners - Americans, Germans, Brits, French... They all think he's great. It reminds me of Yeltsin, who the west just loved, but the Russians absolutely hated.
Boris, if you or your advisors are reading this, let me assure you that you are the Serbian Yeltsin. You have sold your soul to the EU anti-Serb gang, and your reign of shame is almost over. You will be replaced, and let's hope that a Serbian version of Putin will arise and govern for Serbian citizens, for Serbian interests. You can always work for some US sponsored NGO and go around the world making speeches. We have had enough of you pathetic quislings.
As a double victim of Croatian genocide, I lost 17 of my relatives who were burned to death in the Serbian church in Vojnic in 1941 along with 97 other Serbian victims. During Operation Storm in August 1995 when 230,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed and 7,000 were murdered, the last 5 relatives of my name were too old and too sick to flee. I was notified by the Red Cross a month later that they were found with their throats slashed. Please stop preaching to me about tolerance, nationalism, fascism, socialism or communism.... I am sick of hearing about it in my lifetime. Why any Serb in his or her right mind would want to join the EU is absurd. Tadic is obscene as he kisses up to foreign dictatorship. The US has been a master of this EU charade constantly moving the goal post. First it was the capture of Milosevic, the the goal post was moved until Karadzic was captured, then the capture of Mladic before they would allow Serbs to join the EU. Now its this fictitious "nationalism" boogieman that is being use to deny the Serbs entry? That goal post will continue to be moved until Serbs are once again on their knees begging their masters in the EU and the US for a loaf of bread. Apparently to those who support Tadic 400 years of Ottoman slaver was not enough... he and his ilk want to enslave you to foreign powers, foreign debt, NATO military installations on your soil. Tito was in a way enslaved by the US with billions of dollars in foreign aid that he could never pay back. When this war started in 1991 Yugoslavia was over $10 billion in foreign debt but no one seems to recall this fact. But that will most likely be the final goal post to entry into the EU, the repayment of this previous debt.
Do any of you really think that Croatia is prosperous or that Montenegro can survive with less than 600,000 citizens without massive foreign debt? These morons in the EU prove that they are like drug pushers willing to string out any country on enough foreign debt to control them forever. Do any of the 27 EU countries ever mention that their individual national constitutions are now not worth the paper they are written on? The EU (read NAZI Germany) owns them heart and souls. Imagine the Germans lost WWI yet they are right back where they want to be... in control of all of Europe.
Serbs have survived 400 years of Muslim occupation and because we were industrious and not afraid of hard work the Serbs managed to survive, just like they are proving that they can survive 78 days of bombing. More bombs were dropped on Serbia in 78 days then were dropped on Yugoslavia during 4 years of World War II. The United States emptied out all of their warehouses and stockpiles of weapons including using experimental weapons during that 78 days of bombing. They used illegal cluster bombs on you and depleted uranium weapons... little wonder why birth defects are up 3,000% from 1990 figures and that the birth defects are out of control. Those hideous sanctions denied you basic medicine, bandages, XRay supplied and blood, yet they told you they went to war for "humanitarian reasons" how inhuman was their behavior? You lived through the generosity of NATO and the US now you want to climb in bed with these morons? Serbs are supposed to believe that the EU, NATO and the US have their best interest at heart? Why have they not given Serbia the $60 billion to replace those bridges they destroyed and to rebuild what they bombed including 9,000 Serbian homes? They even bombed 11 Serbian cemeteries in order to erase centuries of your existence in some of those regions.
Stop letting these idiots drag you around with a ring in your nose. The US got what they wanted, a major military base in the heart of the Balkans at Camp Bondsteel, the single largest American military base in the world built since Vietnam. Did the Americans pay Serbia a single dime for that property that they stole under the guise of human rights protection? Meanwhile the Serb population of $240,000 twenty years ago in Kosovo has been reduced to 98,000. Serbs are required to live in northern Kosovo in barbed wire enclosed ghettos protected by so called NATO forces, yet 513 ancient Serbian Christian churches were destroyed in the past 10 years as 17,000 NATO troops stood by and did nothing.
Wake up Serbia, they will demonize you until you are again enslaved. I am simply amazed that you do not insist on continuously repeating to the world that 40% of Kosovo is made up of illegal alien Albanians who were never born in former Yugoslavia or Serbia and have crossed your border from Albania as easily as the Mexicans who cross our borders each night in El Paso Texas and San Diego California. We Americans can't seem to control these 11 million illegal aliens in our country and we are just as easily ignoring the illegal Albanians who are amputating parts of your nation with more parts yet to be amputated. If you allow this to continue what will be left of Serbia will be Kalemedgan Park.
When WWI ended the Croats and Slovenes were like rats fleeing a sinking ship who wanted to join in The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (a fictitious settlement by foreign powers) when it became obvious that they had lost the war with their German partners. 26 years later in the Second World War you lost over 1.5 million Victims and no one was brought to justice for those war crimes. Today there are 1.2 million Serbian refugees from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo who have been denied the right to return and to reclaim their property yet these same morons want you to get on your knees and kiss their back sides to allow you to exist as a member of the EU? Are you kidding? Are Serbian leaders out of their minds?
The EU and the US bombed your country doing $60 billion in damage that none of them are willing to repair. They bombed over 50 bridges, 200 Serbian schools, 11 Serbian hospitals, 9 Nursing Homes, 11 Serbian churches, 9,000 Serbian homes, over 60 major manufacturing facilities and more than 65 agricultural facilities putting more than 50% of the Serb population out of work. Now you want to join these EU idiots who are on the verge of bankruptcy? It seems to me the EU needs Serbia far more than the Serbs need the EU.
"without EU Serbia sinks" On the contrary Tadic, Serbia as all Serbs are more more aware of the opposite ;And as elections draw ever nearer they will know -
WITHOUT THE EU SERBIA WILL RISE WITH PRIDE
As ever the Serbian ethos has been told before and when followed Serbia always rose by acknowleeging and bowing to no-one on earth so Serbs ignore Tadic with his delusions of grandeur and recall one of our wise fore fathers;
At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth—no one
—St. Sava to Ireneus, 13th century
Hey William Dorich, when is the Serbian government going to pay for the billion dollars worth of damage it did in its bombing of Dubrovnik, Vukovar, and a dozen other Croatian towns? We're still waiting for that big fat check from the Serbian government...
It is very obvious that Tadics Political agenda,
as according to His Own Words,
Sacrifises Serbia and the Serbian Peoples National Identity and Future,
on the Altar of EU integration.
I worked as a diplomat in an Embassy in Belgrade and I am internationally selected (on world level) as an important analyst for that region.
Whatever be the decision, please continue to be that strong Serbia!
(JG, 8 December 2011 13:34)
I worked as a fighter pilot in space, have blown up a death star and have a father who wears a black uniform and a helmet all the time (but at least he has a cool voice). Pleased to meet you, Mr. diplomat.
Dori, you go first in apologizing for all the crimes committed by Albanians against Serbs in KiM. Ever since your people brown-nosed the Ottoman empire, even changing your faiths, to the present, Albanians have been killing and trying to drive Serbs out of KiM. Remember your Skenderbegs joining the Nazis during WWII? On your knees, Dori, apologize to the Serbian people, and maybe we can consider an honest dialogue with you?
Two questions to you: Could you point out the contents of "Serbian pride"?
You mention Nikola Tesla as a motivation to your drive for Serbian nationalism. Tesla would disagree heavily with you as he was against ethnic nationalism. Please, drop him from your list. And you could ask Djokovic if he wants to be dragged into your project.
Tesla himself showed more interest in hinduism than in orthodox Christianity, or in Christianity in any form.
And here's my second question: Knowing that many Serbs (also here on B92's comment pages) are tying up their Serb ethnicity with Orthodoxy - saying that a non-Orthodox Serb is not a Serb - you don't agree with this thinking?
@TR&JG you choke up me. I think that you classify yourself in that group of Serbs or ProSerbs that are different from nationalist, but you are worst.
Your posts give me the impression that is EU that has to enter in Serbia and not Serbia in EU. Stop exaggerating, because greatness is the problem of Serbia and as far I know Balkan people this illness is at extremis in Serbia. This “great leader” that are available in Serbia has to do only one thing for Balkan and EU, heal Serbia from mythology and nationalism. If they do this everything is easier for Serbia and EU. Is not EU hesitation that is feeding Serbian nationalism but is Serbian nationalism that makes EU to hesitate.
Nationalism has brought nothing good to Serbia. More Serbs become nationalist more lands they lose. This time God knows who'll become independent; Vojvodina, Sandzak, Presheva Valley, etc.
Nationalism has brought nothing good to Serbia. More Serbs become nationalist more lands they lose. This time God knows who'll become independent; Vojvodina, Sandzak, Presheva Valley, etc.
(Avni, 8 December 2011 15:07)
It's interesting, that nationalism brought a lot to KAlbs.
It’s psychological case. Shortly I have to say that the best and long term solution in all cases when we have an aggressor and a victim is as below:
First Serbia has to accept to itself the crimes that has done in Kosova, and I’m not speaking only for the crimes of Milosevic, but since 1912.
Second has to ask forgiveness to Kosova people.
Third has to commence a sincere reconciliation with Albanian. We are ready for this.
If the story don’t pass from this three steps is difficult that Serbia doesn’t sink. God save Serbia and all of us.
I find it very interesting that the people who really love Tadic are foreigners - Americans, Germans, Brits, French... They all think he's great. It reminds me of Yeltsin, who the west just loved, but the Russians absolutely hated.
Boris, if you or your advisors are reading this, let me assure you that you are the Serbian Yeltsin. You have sold your soul to the EU anti-Serb gang, and your reign of shame is almost over. You will be replaced, and let's hope that a Serbian version of Putin will arise and govern for Serbian citizens, for Serbian interests. You can always work for some US sponsored NGO and go around the world making speeches. We have had enough of you pathetic quislings.
(Dragan, 8 December 2011 14:31)
If its only the foreigners who love Tadic and not the Serbians, why was he elected by Serbs????
Just because Serbia wants to self-destruct with its famous nationalism, it does not mean that Europe should make concessions to Serbia. Serbia has been told that it can enter EU only without Kosova. Tadic should be a man and stop whining about his failure. He should recognize Kosova as it's sovereign neighbor and move on. The first step in doing this is to fire his foreign minister who paints a nationalistic Serbia wherever he goes. There is no model that Serbia can follow and definitely not a German model. West Germany did not try to cleanse East Germany from it's people. There are also fundamental differences in the history and the ingredients of two Germanys. It's ironic that this model was brought into plate during troika negotiations and was categorically refused by Kostunica and Tadic.
So what's the deal then? Does this mean tha all you have to do is just wait and Serbia would eventually succumb to the will of Europe? We knew this all along. Serbia received Kosova as a gift because of Europe. Now it pretend that it can hold on to that in spite of Europe.
I'm sure Tadic knows the truth but he has failed to communicate it properly to his constituents . Because of this failure Serbia is missing the chance, once again, to move forwards. His failure proves that Serbia is already bent over under the weight of nationalism. Nationalism in Serbia is a current reality. It's not a consequence of Europe's politics, as Tadic wants to portray it but it's the cause of Europe's behavior towards Serbia. Tadic is not a patriot. He is just the average Serbian politician of 21-st century. He is not willing to make hard decisions. He may sound more liberal tha Kostunica but his deeds are no better than his.
Basically he is trying to bribe Germany into granting Serbia EU candidacy. If refusal is all it takes for Serbs to fall back on the awful nationalism of the late 80's & 90's
Personally, as a Serb, I hope that Serbia does not get accepted into the EU. Apart from it being bankrupt, and the fact that no other country was required to relinguish its territory to be admitted, it will be good to see those who are so drunk on this useless prospect, to realize that it was all not worth a penny. Once they realize that, they will see that Tadic sold out his country for something that was all along, worthless.
Hence, there goes the elections for Tadic. Mind you, if Tadic does not get the acceptance, he himself might put on a nationalistic front, only to get re-elected. Afterall, take a look at the other sellout, Dacic.
Wiston first I apologize for every crime that every single Albanian has done to every single Serb. If you want I apologize even for every Albanian Ruler of Ottoman Empire that has oppressed Serbs, but to be fair this ruler has oppressed in the same way the Albanians, Greeks, Arabs. The same has done the Ottoman ruler with Serb origin or Greek or whatever.
My point is to let Ottoman era apart and to analyze things from the moment that are created the National States, when Bismarck created Germany, Garibaldi the Italy and so on. What has done Serbian state since it was created? They pretend to recreate the Kingdom of Serbia of 13th century. Maybe at that time I justify the elite of Serbia, because was in fashion to win Colonies, the same for example pretended Duce for Italy the recreation of Roman Empire. And they with the help of the World Powers partly arrive the goal with the annexation of Vojvodina,, Sandzak, Kosova, North Macedonia and Montenegro. Now I am interested for what happen to the Albanian that was included in Serbia. For decades they were treated with the worst method of that time of Colonization and Assimilation till WWII. Yes Albanian has created their Scanderbeg Nazis, but also other Albanians has liberated Kosova from Nazis. At the end of WWII Albanians are counted in the Antifascist part of Europe. During Tito regime Albanians were treated like second hand citizens, and to finalize the treatment of Serbian state versus Albanians we see all in TV the genocide of Well Armed Army(Milosevic) versus 1.7 million unarmed civilian. So tell me If you want me to apologize in my knees.
I have to admit that serbs in Northen Kosovo more than anyone else are working for Albanian couse.
I encourage them to block roads, attack KFOR members on daily bases,because in 2 months they have done more work toward Ethic Albania than all albanians in 3 years of Indepenence.
I have stressed before,Tadic is smart and wants to make a deal about Kosovo,cut loses and move on with EU integration,because Serbia is in Europe not in Russian Federation.
Unfortunately for him,the crowd still lives in 1989.
so roberto, lemme get this through my thick skull. you have a beef with serb nationalism and serbs blaming everyone else, yet you proudly defend you adopted bosnian nationalism and blame serbs for everything.
if serbs dislike something, you say its their fault, but when you don't like something its someone elses, namely serbs' fault?
am i the only one who see this?
when are you gonna wake up and stop blaming other people for your woes?
when are you gonna blame the hand that feeds you for once and notice that the staunch nationalism (not-so-cleverly veiled as patriotism) in your home country is not better or worse than what you blame the serbs of.
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Slovenia broke away from Yugoslavia to form an ethnically pure, Roman Catholic Slovenia?
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Bosnian Muslims created the first muslim state in Europe by disallowing nearly 200,000 Bosnian Serb refugees in Belgrade to cast their votes in that first election when Alija Izetbegovic won by only 44,000 votes?
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Croatia cleansed every Serbs from their territory then formed yet another ethnically pure, Roman Catholic state in the Balkans?
And why in God's name is it not Albanian "Nationalism" that they has cleansed 260,000 Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo, declared an illegal independence and established yet again another ethnically pure state in the Balkans?
Some of the writers on here show the mindless cesspool from which they come, their double standards are hideous and they don't seem to have an "equal human rights" bone in their bodies. It appears that everyone in the Balkans deserves their own country and that Serbs in any of them are not entitled to any rights, much less human rights. How disgusting and what contempt it shows for international laws that will surely be once again violated if the Serbs dare join the EU. These other writers cleverly ignore the fact that these dismemberment Civil Wars and the amputation of sovereign Serbian territory was accomplished by violating the UN Charter, the UN Security Council resolution #1244, The Helsinki Final Act, the Geneva Conventions and the NATO Treaty.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
In 2008 Serbs chose the EU over Kosovo in voting for Tadic and where has it got them? Voting for Tadic and EU over Serbia was a HUGE mistake. Serbia has no one in the government that cares about Serbia. They are all like Vichy Serbs for the EU.
I'm sure Tadic knows the truth but he has failed to communicate it properly to his constituents . Because of this failure Serbia is missing the chance, once again, to move forwards. His failure proves that Serbia is already bent over under the weight of nationalism. Nationalism in Serbia is a current reality. It's not a consequence of Europe's politics, as Tadic wants to portray it but it's the cause of Europe's behavior towards Serbia. Tadic is not a patriot. He is just the average Serbian politician of 21-st century. He is not willing to make hard decisions. He may sound more liberal tha Kostunica but his deeds are no better than his.
(miri, 8 December 2011 11:06)
an excellent posting among a few others. they are stuck in a time warp that is so very self-defeating, but instead they blame everyone but themselves. how to change this mindset, that is the question.
SCP UK, 8 December 2011 12:37
While you may want to snuggle up to the great white bear, take a look actually where your economical support comes from. Those of you who root for the collapse of the west have no clue what your future will bring.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
(William Dorich, 8 December 2011 22:11)
Sounds like a truly impartial author... Is your work filed in the fantasy department?
"And why in God's name is it not Albanian "Nationalism" that they has cleansed 260,000 Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo, declared an illegal independence and established yet again another ethnically pure state in the Balkans?"
So Kosovo has now a negative number of Serbs? 260.000 expelled means 60.000 more than there were actually living. Magic!
Regarding the "illegal independence" Vuk has asked the ICJ and has even received an answer. Feel free to read it.
"Ethnically pure state" with K-Serbian ministers and MPs.. Amazing...
Strange isn't it? What is the EU except a community of nations and where is a nation if its people don't believe in it? Isn't this nationalism? Consider the US and the Russian Federation. Nationalism doesn't work very will in either case. Both are a community of territories with different characters. Many of the earliest states in the US wanted to be independent countries at one time, Pennsylvania, for example. And many of the territories in the Russian Federation could not be considered Russian.
But the countries of the EU are distinct nations, they could not be describe as anything else. And many of these countries, Germany, for example, have struggled for indentification in the face of imperialism, both from within and without. Imperialism is subversive to nationalism. The history of Serbia is the history of the struggle to attain what the other nations of the EU have taken for granted for centuries. Now, just as the potential for a vital Serbian nation emmerges, for some reason, this is not to be encouraged.
Tadic is not a conspirator, he just doesn't know what he is talking about. This is like his proclomation that Serbia didn't want to make mistakes about international agreements that he didn't seem to understand. The man just isn't thinking very hard. I hope he doesn't make it in the next election.
Right, so its better for Serbia to join a union which is on the way to total collapse, while in that time the political elites in Serbia profit hugely while the ordinary people suffer with higher taxes to fund the infrastructures of foreign countries. And anyway when the EU collapses the majority of countries in Europe will face nationalist gains.
At least nationalists are honest about their belifs and are not willing to sell themselves for cash (and please no examples about Milosevic, who was never a true nationalist). A rise in nationalism in Serbia can only mean a country which will stand up for itself in the face of western colonisation, and taking a hard line stance over the seperatism and terrorism by the albanians in Kosovo. But even for the social well being of society, the various nationalist groups in Serbia have more coherent and realistic policies to have the ordinary person living in Serbia.
This leadership doesn't care about the Serbian people, only their own pockets, and that is why they fear nationalism so much because they do care for the people, and wish make traitors like Tadic history.
You have a ‘great leader’.
He has a very good strategic view. I can understand that his advisors are working very well. I could not find one single argument which was not correct in his statements of this article. Serbia may be very proud on this leader!
However, I am not sure that all EU-leadership may have the same wide and clear strategic view as he, but only make a decision which is not intelligent enough.
Indeed, your president is right: the risk that the EU might take by not granting the EU-candidate status to Serbia is far bigger then by granting the status to Serbia (even with a Kosovo-issue not yet solved). Indeed, in the EU those leaders should understand that stronger nationalism might pop-up again in Serbia…
Serbia is a great country! I spend a lot of time in Serbia, but I live in another EU-country…
Serbia has even an over-capacity of leadership, strategic view, ideas, and openness, nice and exemplary people and discipline… when you would compare this to some other nations, which are already inside the EU.
It would be a tremendous ‘plus’ if Serbia could join the EU as soon as possible.
I do hope that all EU-decision makers are wise and experienced enough to make Serbia EU-candidate.
Serbia is a real EU state, and many other EU-countries should take an example by Serbia!
But, whom of those EU-decision makers do really know the positive arguments and value of Serbia?
I hope that those EU-leaders will use a clear and well over thought table of plus and minus bullets to make their decisions.
I think that I may say that I do know Serbia: I worked as a diplomat in an Embassy in Belgrade and I am internationally selected (on world level) as an important analyst for that region.
Whatever be the decision, please continue to be that strong Serbia!
In the long term, neither the EU or Russia are good options for Serbia. The EU is in financial ruin and has a rapidly declining and aging population. Likewise, Russia will eventually collapse from population decline, severe social problems, poor health, low life-expectancy, and rising radicalism on the borders.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
(William Dorich, 8 December 2011 22:11)
The buyer of these "books" must be only the Serbian church that then give for free to the "visitors". lol
Oh dear, history repeating once again. Under NAZI occupation I'm sure many considered whether joining them would be wiser than resistance. We do hear how some Serbians proudly confess their grandfather fought for the Austro-Hungarians or argue that we shouldn't have opposed the NAZIs and the same people claim it would be wiser for Serbia to join NATO and the EU.
You see, I do understand where Tadic is coming from. It doesn't mean he isn't a sell-out, he is. However it is a similar situation to that of Nedic during WWII. Under occupation, we are surrounded by NATO and EU wannabes (i.e. NAZIs and Axis members back then) and there is not too much room for maneuver at the moment. We are an island of resistance and we have to be patient until liberation. Germany in fact is doing us a great favour by delaying progress.
Look, there are alternatives but at this point in time we need to play our cards smart. The world is moving in a different direction. The South and Central Americas have formed a new union called Celac, where it excludes the USA and Canada but includes Cuba. Check -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16021120
Russia has also recently established the Eurasian Union, with modest beginnings but it will grow with time as the EU becomes more disfunctional. Check -> http://rt.com/news/eurasian-union-eu-better-667/ This will be our path into Asia and the free world. There we will find many prosperous and strong friends. The weakest link is Romania and although it seems committed to its EU and NATO status, it will be one of the first to fall.
Turkey, Albania and Qatar will have some very serious problems soon. Rome wasn't built in a day but it fell in one. That is the thing about these cycles, it takes a long time to build an empire but they fall very quickly.
I’m always puzzled with the level of these analysts that start with great eulogy about Serbia and her progress but in the end for their main argument of why Serbia should have closer relation with EU is the threat: if this or that is not given to Serbia, then the nationalism there will rule the country again.
Where is the logical link between democracy and free worlds values with the blackmail of nationalism (and consequently violence) that in your mind can so easily be brought together under same a umbrella- that of the EU????
Is it so hard to understand that the blackmail is not qualitivative argument, anymore, dear analyst(s)??
The Serbian nationalism was a solid argument and bargain/blackmail card that Serbia used it wisely during the 90s. Then, Serbia could do that for a very simple reason: there was a total imbalance of fire power between Serbia and the rest of the Yugo nations. That is not the case now.
Thus all your nationalists that tomorrow will get in power can do is to hit the wall with their heads.
If you believe your nationalists can destabilise Kosova you are badly mistaken: with or without NATO’s involvement – this is not 1999.
If you think your nationalists tomorrow can destabilise Bosnia, be sure that Bosnian army will wipe off Republika Srpska in a week time, just as the 5th corpus of BiH army almost did by the end of the Bosnian war. It was the “evil” US that saved Banja Luka, remember???
So what else can your nationalists do but get drunk and sing songs that they will make all Serbia up to Tokyo??? Whose lost will that be??? Yes of course it will be great lost for Serbia’s neighbours as well, as they would have to be in alert and invest huge resources in their defence. But certainly the one that will lose the most is the Serbian people, the same one that you say are smart. Then they should be smart enough and stop blackmailing as no one buys that bluff anymore. Time for cultural change in Serbia dear analyst??? No?? so sad! Yes to EU money but with Seselj's values???
Funny Mr President! when Germany or France fall into nationalism as they are today...we call it "pride" or "patriotism" for Serbia its the evil "nationalism" word used to describe it!! Maybe..Just maybe some of that "German pride" is just what we need now ??
Serbia would be an immeasurable ‘plus’ for the EU, especially in this period of economical crisis.
Is there any other country in Europe which has (at the same time) better relations/ties with Russia + China + the CEFTA + Independent States then Serbia.
I hope that EU-leaders will realize that with integrating Serbia, they have an excellent door to this very big part/market of the World.
While Merkel and Sarkozy and/or other EU-leaders are trying to find the good trick to make the EU survive, the solution might be ready to take it … (Integrate) Serbia, the door to Russia, China and CEFTA…
Serbia has a strong strategic position. It is on the correct place to make Russia + China work together with US + EU. It is on a very important position to make EU work together with its direct CEFTA neighbors…who will have a positive influence on the stability of the EU and its borders…
As I already said before… The EU needs Serbia more then visa versa… and I hope that EU-leaders will understand this…
However, last months, the US, EU and the world have seen that they were completely wrong by pushing Kosovo to its unilateral declaration of independence.
The question is now only if those who pushed Kosovo, are know correct, honest and smart and brave enough to admits this, by not making their Kosovo-mistake a new condition for not granting the EU-candidate status …
Let’s see how brave and correct they are…
When Serbia would not be granted the deserved status, then it will say more about the EU-decision makers, then about Serbia.
Serbia is ready for this status, but I doubt that the EU is ready for it (intellectually)…
But, there are more ‘strategic wise leaders’ in Serbia then in many other EU-countries. Do not forget that Serbia has many people who had a long experience in running/managing several republics and cultures in the YU era… Isn’t it that what the EU is now looking for?
Please EU-leaders, go consult the Serbian leaders, they have wise ideas…
I believe that the Eu will grant candidate status to Serbia because as Tadic says without the EU Serbia could slide back into the grim situation of the 90's. Besides it is only candidate status, nothing more.
Sigh. Well, according to scientists (if anyone listens to them anymore) once the full effects of environmental destruction set in, it really won't matter if Kosovo belongs to Serbia, or if Serbia belongs to the EU, or who slaughtered who back in 1415. The earth is dying, the human race is self-destructing. Get your heads out of the clouds and get real.
"William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
William Dorich"
Willie, based on your post you are far from being a credible author.
You should stick to your propaganda blog and let real authors do the writing.
Well, Mr. Tadic, I like your piece and your expressive words, but this is why Serbia is not moving ahead and not advancing in EU accession process. Because you as a leader are very good at words,but you are forgetting that EU is diverse and only words cannot 'trick' the EU to make them give you candidate status.
And the worst thing is that you still think you can trick them. I have a feeling like the more you see you cannot trick them, the more you try to trick them. Serbian political class is failing to understand that you need a big breakthrough in shifting the attitude and telling your people the truth; - that Kosovo is lost. It is not part of your country and you can only fight for it endelessly but you will never win it back. A big Serbian patriot would be the one who would 'forget about Kosovo' and fight for the prosperity and development of Serbia. Serbians deserve to be enlightened and to be washed from the sins of their leaders. But unfortunately, antionalism is in the heads of people like you Mr. tadic, too.
pro-me, 9 December 2011 08:28)
If you look at any of his works you will find he falls right in line with John Bostnitch and Judy Goren. His writing is so overwhelming prejudicial it could never be taken seriously. He paints the serbs as a cross between Saints and innocent victims and Albanians as having no redeeming qualities.
Look, there are alternatives but at this point in time we need to play our cards smart. The world is moving in a different direction. The South and Central Americas have formed a new union called Celac, where it excludes the USA and Canada but includes Cuba. Check -> [link]
Russia has also recently established the Eurasian Union, with modest beginnings but it will grow with time as the EU becomes more disfunctional. Check -> [link]/ This will be our path into Asia and the free world. There we will find many prosperous and strong friends. (Zoran, 8 December 2011 14:10)
I'm perlexed... I thought the evil US empire was a misery, but now you're saying that US is even more prosperous and strong than that EuroAsian or Celac union (since their average citizen earns a fraction of the US one). Sorry my friend but I think sj has provided enough brilliant analysis to convince us that the US empire is a misery.
I have to admit that serbs in Northen Kosovo more than anyone else are working for Albanian couse.
I guess it beats albanians actually having to do any honest work so that they can rely on hand outs from their current powerful supporters. Just roll over and you'll have your belly tickled you little minx.
Just because Serbia wants to self-destruct with its famous nationalism, it does not mean that Europe should make concessions to Serbia. Serbia has been told that it can enter EU only without Kosova. Tadic should be a man and stop whining about his failure. He should recognize Kosova as it's sovereign neighbor and move on. The first step in doing this is to fire his foreign minister who paints a nationalistic Serbia wherever he goes. There is no model that Serbia can follow and definitely not a German model. West Germany did not try to cleanse East Germany from it's people. There are also fundamental differences in the history and the ingredients of two Germanys. It's ironic that this model was brought into plate during troika negotiations and was categorically refused by Kostunica and Tadic.
So what's the deal then? Does this mean tha all you have to do is just wait and Serbia would eventually succumb to the will of Europe? We knew this all along. Serbia received Kosova as a gift because of Europe. Now it pretend that it can hold on to that in spite of Europe.
I'm sure Tadic knows the truth but he has failed to communicate it properly to his constituents . Because of this failure Serbia is missing the chance, once again, to move forwards. His failure proves that Serbia is already bent over under the weight of nationalism. Nationalism in Serbia is a current reality. It's not a consequence of Europe's politics, as Tadic wants to portray it but it's the cause of Europe's behavior towards Serbia. Tadic is not a patriot. He is just the average Serbian politician of 21-st century. He is not willing to make hard decisions. He may sound more liberal tha Kostunica but his deeds are no better than his.
It’s psychological case. Shortly I have to say that the best and long term solution in all cases when we have an aggressor and a victim is as below:
First Serbia has to accept to itself the crimes that has done in Kosova, and I’m not speaking only for the crimes of Milosevic, but since 1912.
Second has to ask forgiveness to Kosova people.
Third has to commence a sincere reconciliation with Albanian. We are ready for this.
If the story don’t pass from this three steps is difficult that Serbia doesn’t sink. God save Serbia and all of us.
Two questions to you: Could you point out the contents of "Serbian pride"?
You mention Nikola Tesla as a motivation to your drive for Serbian nationalism. Tesla would disagree heavily with you as he was against ethnic nationalism. Please, drop him from your list. And you could ask Djokovic if he wants to be dragged into your project.
Tesla himself showed more interest in hinduism than in orthodox Christianity, or in Christianity in any form.
And here's my second question: Knowing that many Serbs (also here on B92's comment pages) are tying up their Serb ethnicity with Orthodoxy - saying that a non-Orthodox Serb is not a Serb - you don't agree with this thinking?
As a double victim of Croatian genocide, I lost 17 of my relatives who were burned to death in the Serbian church in Vojnic in 1941 along with 97 other Serbian victims. During Operation Storm in August 1995 when 230,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed and 7,000 were murdered, the last 5 relatives of my name were too old and too sick to flee. I was notified by the Red Cross a month later that they were found with their throats slashed. Please stop preaching to me about tolerance, nationalism, fascism, socialism or communism.... I am sick of hearing about it in my lifetime. Why any Serb in his or her right mind would want to join the EU is absurd. Tadic is obscene as he kisses up to foreign dictatorship. The US has been a master of this EU charade constantly moving the goal post. First it was the capture of Milosevic, the the goal post was moved until Karadzic was captured, then the capture of Mladic before they would allow Serbs to join the EU. Now its this fictitious "nationalism" boogieman that is being use to deny the Serbs entry? That goal post will continue to be moved until Serbs are once again on their knees begging their masters in the EU and the US for a loaf of bread. Apparently to those who support Tadic 400 years of Ottoman slaver was not enough... he and his ilk want to enslave you to foreign powers, foreign debt, NATO military installations on your soil. Tito was in a way enslaved by the US with billions of dollars in foreign aid that he could never pay back. When this war started in 1991 Yugoslavia was over $10 billion in foreign debt but no one seems to recall this fact. But that will most likely be the final goal post to entry into the EU, the repayment of this previous debt.
Do any of you really think that Croatia is prosperous or that Montenegro can survive with less than 600,000 citizens without massive foreign debt? These morons in the EU prove that they are like drug pushers willing to string out any country on enough foreign debt to control them forever. Do any of the 27 EU countries ever mention that their individual national constitutions are now not worth the paper they are written on? The EU (read NAZI Germany) owns them heart and souls. Imagine the Germans lost WWI yet they are right back where they want to be... in control of all of Europe.
Serbs have survived 400 years of Muslim occupation and because we were industrious and not afraid of hard work the Serbs managed to survive, just like they are proving that they can survive 78 days of bombing. More bombs were dropped on Serbia in 78 days then were dropped on Yugoslavia during 4 years of World War II. The United States emptied out all of their warehouses and stockpiles of weapons including using experimental weapons during that 78 days of bombing. They used illegal cluster bombs on you and depleted uranium weapons... little wonder why birth defects are up 3,000% from 1990 figures and that the birth defects are out of control. Those hideous sanctions denied you basic medicine, bandages, XRay supplied and blood, yet they told you they went to war for "humanitarian reasons" how inhuman was their behavior? You lived through the generosity of NATO and the US now you want to climb in bed with these morons? Serbs are supposed to believe that the EU, NATO and the US have their best interest at heart? Why have they not given Serbia the $60 billion to replace those bridges they destroyed and to rebuild what they bombed including 9,000 Serbian homes? They even bombed 11 Serbian cemeteries in order to erase centuries of your existence in some of those regions.
Stop letting these idiots drag you around with a ring in your nose. The US got what they wanted, a major military base in the heart of the Balkans at Camp Bondsteel, the single largest American military base in the world built since Vietnam. Did the Americans pay Serbia a single dime for that property that they stole under the guise of human rights protection? Meanwhile the Serb population of $240,000 twenty years ago in Kosovo has been reduced to 98,000. Serbs are required to live in northern Kosovo in barbed wire enclosed ghettos protected by so called NATO forces, yet 513 ancient Serbian Christian churches were destroyed in the past 10 years as 17,000 NATO troops stood by and did nothing.
Wake up Serbia, they will demonize you until you are again enslaved. I am simply amazed that you do not insist on continuously repeating to the world that 40% of Kosovo is made up of illegal alien Albanians who were never born in former Yugoslavia or Serbia and have crossed your border from Albania as easily as the Mexicans who cross our borders each night in El Paso Texas and San Diego California. We Americans can't seem to control these 11 million illegal aliens in our country and we are just as easily ignoring the illegal Albanians who are amputating parts of your nation with more parts yet to be amputated. If you allow this to continue what will be left of Serbia will be Kalemedgan Park.
When WWI ended the Croats and Slovenes were like rats fleeing a sinking ship who wanted to join in The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (a fictitious settlement by foreign powers) when it became obvious that they had lost the war with their German partners. 26 years later in the Second World War you lost over 1.5 million Victims and no one was brought to justice for those war crimes. Today there are 1.2 million Serbian refugees from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo who have been denied the right to return and to reclaim their property yet these same morons want you to get on your knees and kiss their back sides to allow you to exist as a member of the EU? Are you kidding? Are Serbian leaders out of their minds?
The EU and the US bombed your country doing $60 billion in damage that none of them are willing to repair. They bombed over 50 bridges, 200 Serbian schools, 11 Serbian hospitals, 9 Nursing Homes, 11 Serbian churches, 9,000 Serbian homes, over 60 major manufacturing facilities and more than 65 agricultural facilities putting more than 50% of the Serb population out of work. Now you want to join these EU idiots who are on the verge of bankruptcy? It seems to me the EU needs Serbia far more than the Serbs need the EU.
I'm sure Tadic knows the truth but he has failed to communicate it properly to his constituents . Because of this failure Serbia is missing the chance, once again, to move forwards. His failure proves that Serbia is already bent over under the weight of nationalism. Nationalism in Serbia is a current reality. It's not a consequence of Europe's politics, as Tadic wants to portray it but it's the cause of Europe's behavior towards Serbia. Tadic is not a patriot. He is just the average Serbian politician of 21-st century. He is not willing to make hard decisions. He may sound more liberal tha Kostunica but his deeds are no better than his.
(miri, 8 December 2011 11:06)
an excellent posting among a few others. they are stuck in a time warp that is so very self-defeating, but instead they blame everyone but themselves. how to change this mindset, that is the question.
I’m always puzzled with the level of these analysts that start with great eulogy about Serbia and her progress but in the end for their main argument of why Serbia should have closer relation with EU is the threat: if this or that is not given to Serbia, then the nationalism there will rule the country again.
Where is the logical link between democracy and free worlds values with the blackmail of nationalism (and consequently violence) that in your mind can so easily be brought together under same a umbrella- that of the EU????
Is it so hard to understand that the blackmail is not qualitivative argument, anymore, dear analyst(s)??
The Serbian nationalism was a solid argument and bargain/blackmail card that Serbia used it wisely during the 90s. Then, Serbia could do that for a very simple reason: there was a total imbalance of fire power between Serbia and the rest of the Yugo nations. That is not the case now.
Thus all your nationalists that tomorrow will get in power can do is to hit the wall with their heads.
If you believe your nationalists can destabilise Kosova you are badly mistaken: with or without NATO’s involvement – this is not 1999.
If you think your nationalists tomorrow can destabilise Bosnia, be sure that Bosnian army will wipe off Republika Srpska in a week time, just as the 5th corpus of BiH army almost did by the end of the Bosnian war. It was the “evil” US that saved Banja Luka, remember???
So what else can your nationalists do but get drunk and sing songs that they will make all Serbia up to Tokyo??? Whose lost will that be??? Yes of course it will be great lost for Serbia’s neighbours as well, as they would have to be in alert and invest huge resources in their defence. But certainly the one that will lose the most is the Serbian people, the same one that you say are smart. Then they should be smart enough and stop blackmailing as no one buys that bluff anymore. Time for cultural change in Serbia dear analyst??? No?? so sad! Yes to EU money but with Seselj's values???
Well Tadic, Serbs have always had to put their pride aside for whatever was the in thing in the Balkans. Today it's blinded EUnthusiasm and neo-liberalism. Yesterday it was bratstvo i jedinstvo and Yugo communism. The day before that it was the 3rd Riech, granted it was mostly Serbia's neighbors..Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats that jumped on that bandwagon but even Serbia had puppets like Milan Nedic who tried to hop on.
Now Tadic is a treasonous and traitorous president willing to sell off Serbia for whatever the 'cool' thing is in the Balkans. And once again just as in the past, Serb Orthodoxy, culture and pride is not as important as the 'in' thing.
Well Tadic, as long as Serbia cleans up its broken, corrupted system and social injustice..we should defiantly try nationalism. Pride in your country is common everywhere in the West.
but Serbs have Nikola Tesla, Novak Djokovic, Emir Kusturica among other people and reasons we have to be proud about...nationalism should be given a chance...everything else has.
Nationalism has brought nothing good to Serbia. More Serbs become nationalist more lands they lose. This time God knows who'll become independent; Vojvodina, Sandzak, Presheva Valley, etc.
@TR&JG you choke up me. I think that you classify yourself in that group of Serbs or ProSerbs that are different from nationalist, but you are worst.
Your posts give me the impression that is EU that has to enter in Serbia and not Serbia in EU. Stop exaggerating, because greatness is the problem of Serbia and as far I know Balkan people this illness is at extremis in Serbia. This “great leader” that are available in Serbia has to do only one thing for Balkan and EU, heal Serbia from mythology and nationalism. If they do this everything is easier for Serbia and EU. Is not EU hesitation that is feeding Serbian nationalism but is Serbian nationalism that makes EU to hesitate.
I have to admit that serbs in Northen Kosovo more than anyone else are working for Albanian couse.
I encourage them to block roads, attack KFOR members on daily bases,because in 2 months they have done more work toward Ethic Albania than all albanians in 3 years of Indepenence.
I have stressed before,Tadic is smart and wants to make a deal about Kosovo,cut loses and move on with EU integration,because Serbia is in Europe not in Russian Federation.
Unfortunately for him,the crowd still lives in 1989.
You have a ‘great leader’.
He has a very good strategic view. I can understand that his advisors are working very well. I could not find one single argument which was not correct in his statements of this article. Serbia may be very proud on this leader!
However, I am not sure that all EU-leadership may have the same wide and clear strategic view as he, but only make a decision which is not intelligent enough.
Indeed, your president is right: the risk that the EU might take by not granting the EU-candidate status to Serbia is far bigger then by granting the status to Serbia (even with a Kosovo-issue not yet solved). Indeed, in the EU those leaders should understand that stronger nationalism might pop-up again in Serbia…
Serbia is a great country! I spend a lot of time in Serbia, but I live in another EU-country…
Serbia has even an over-capacity of leadership, strategic view, ideas, and openness, nice and exemplary people and discipline… when you would compare this to some other nations, which are already inside the EU.
It would be a tremendous ‘plus’ if Serbia could join the EU as soon as possible.
I do hope that all EU-decision makers are wise and experienced enough to make Serbia EU-candidate.
Serbia is a real EU state, and many other EU-countries should take an example by Serbia!
But, whom of those EU-decision makers do really know the positive arguments and value of Serbia?
I hope that those EU-leaders will use a clear and well over thought table of plus and minus bullets to make their decisions.
I think that I may say that I do know Serbia: I worked as a diplomat in an Embassy in Belgrade and I am internationally selected (on world level) as an important analyst for that region.
Whatever be the decision, please continue to be that strong Serbia!
Dori, you go first in apologizing for all the crimes committed by Albanians against Serbs in KiM. Ever since your people brown-nosed the Ottoman empire, even changing your faiths, to the present, Albanians have been killing and trying to drive Serbs out of KiM. Remember your Skenderbegs joining the Nazis during WWII? On your knees, Dori, apologize to the Serbian people, and maybe we can consider an honest dialogue with you?
I find it very interesting that the people who really love Tadic are foreigners - Americans, Germans, Brits, French... They all think he's great. It reminds me of Yeltsin, who the west just loved, but the Russians absolutely hated.
Boris, if you or your advisors are reading this, let me assure you that you are the Serbian Yeltsin. You have sold your soul to the EU anti-Serb gang, and your reign of shame is almost over. You will be replaced, and let's hope that a Serbian version of Putin will arise and govern for Serbian citizens, for Serbian interests. You can always work for some US sponsored NGO and go around the world making speeches. We have had enough of you pathetic quislings.
(Dragan, 8 December 2011 14:31)
If its only the foreigners who love Tadic and not the Serbians, why was he elected by Serbs????
Hey William Dorich, when is the Serbian government going to pay for the billion dollars worth of damage it did in its bombing of Dubrovnik, Vukovar, and a dozen other Croatian towns? We're still waiting for that big fat check from the Serbian government...
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Slovenia broke away from Yugoslavia to form an ethnically pure, Roman Catholic Slovenia?
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Bosnian Muslims created the first muslim state in Europe by disallowing nearly 200,000 Bosnian Serb refugees in Belgrade to cast their votes in that first election when Alija Izetbegovic won by only 44,000 votes?
Why was it not "Nationalism" when Croatia cleansed every Serbs from their territory then formed yet another ethnically pure, Roman Catholic state in the Balkans?
And why in God's name is it not Albanian "Nationalism" that they has cleansed 260,000 Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo, declared an illegal independence and established yet again another ethnically pure state in the Balkans?
Some of the writers on here show the mindless cesspool from which they come, their double standards are hideous and they don't seem to have an "equal human rights" bone in their bodies. It appears that everyone in the Balkans deserves their own country and that Serbs in any of them are not entitled to any rights, much less human rights. How disgusting and what contempt it shows for international laws that will surely be once again violated if the Serbs dare join the EU. These other writers cleverly ignore the fact that these dismemberment Civil Wars and the amputation of sovereign Serbian territory was accomplished by violating the UN Charter, the UN Security Council resolution #1244, The Helsinki Final Act, the Geneva Conventions and the NATO Treaty.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
Wiston first I apologize for every crime that every single Albanian has done to every single Serb. If you want I apologize even for every Albanian Ruler of Ottoman Empire that has oppressed Serbs, but to be fair this ruler has oppressed in the same way the Albanians, Greeks, Arabs. The same has done the Ottoman ruler with Serb origin or Greek or whatever.
My point is to let Ottoman era apart and to analyze things from the moment that are created the National States, when Bismarck created Germany, Garibaldi the Italy and so on. What has done Serbian state since it was created? They pretend to recreate the Kingdom of Serbia of 13th century. Maybe at that time I justify the elite of Serbia, because was in fashion to win Colonies, the same for example pretended Duce for Italy the recreation of Roman Empire. And they with the help of the World Powers partly arrive the goal with the annexation of Vojvodina,, Sandzak, Kosova, North Macedonia and Montenegro. Now I am interested for what happen to the Albanian that was included in Serbia. For decades they were treated with the worst method of that time of Colonization and Assimilation till WWII. Yes Albanian has created their Scanderbeg Nazis, but also other Albanians has liberated Kosova from Nazis. At the end of WWII Albanians are counted in the Antifascist part of Europe. During Tito regime Albanians were treated like second hand citizens, and to finalize the treatment of Serbian state versus Albanians we see all in TV the genocide of Well Armed Army(Milosevic) versus 1.7 million unarmed civilian. So tell me If you want me to apologize in my knees.
Not even the €USSR themselves can come up with a solution to their imminent collapse, let alone a reason for anyone to join them down to rock bottom, but for poor Boris and the quislings (good name for a band)there is only one way to go so please, by all means, after the elections we don´t have to do like the Otporists™ in every eastern country, most recently in Russia, to cry FOUL long before it´s over. For the hapless Tadic it has been over since the last rigged election and even before that. No NED-money no US-support and no whatever threats he can come up with in the world can save him. If he "wins" again, that street rally and popular uprising will be VERY real...
Basically he is trying to bribe Germany into granting Serbia EU candidacy. If refusal is all it takes for Serbs to fall back on the awful nationalism of the late 80's & 90's
so roberto, lemme get this through my thick skull. you have a beef with serb nationalism and serbs blaming everyone else, yet you proudly defend you adopted bosnian nationalism and blame serbs for everything.
if serbs dislike something, you say its their fault, but when you don't like something its someone elses, namely serbs' fault?
am i the only one who see this?
when are you gonna wake up and stop blaming other people for your woes?
when are you gonna blame the hand that feeds you for once and notice that the staunch nationalism (not-so-cleverly veiled as patriotism) in your home country is not better or worse than what you blame the serbs of.
"without EU Serbia sinks" On the contrary Tadic, Serbia as all Serbs are more more aware of the opposite ;And as elections draw ever nearer they will know -
WITHOUT THE EU SERBIA WILL RISE WITH PRIDE
As ever the Serbian ethos has been told before and when followed Serbia always rose by acknowleeging and bowing to no-one on earth so Serbs ignore Tadic with his delusions of grandeur and recall one of our wise fore fathers;
At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth—no one
—St. Sava to Ireneus, 13th century
I believe that the Eu will grant candidate status to Serbia because as Tadic says without the EU Serbia could slide back into the grim situation of the 90's. Besides it is only candidate status, nothing more.
I find it very interesting that the people who really love Tadic are foreigners - Americans, Germans, Brits, French... They all think he's great. It reminds me of Yeltsin, who the west just loved, but the Russians absolutely hated.
Boris, if you or your advisors are reading this, let me assure you that you are the Serbian Yeltsin. You have sold your soul to the EU anti-Serb gang, and your reign of shame is almost over. You will be replaced, and let's hope that a Serbian version of Putin will arise and govern for Serbian citizens, for Serbian interests. You can always work for some US sponsored NGO and go around the world making speeches. We have had enough of you pathetic quislings.
It is very obvious that Tadics Political agenda,
as according to His Own Words,
Sacrifises Serbia and the Serbian Peoples National Identity and Future,
on the Altar of EU integration.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
(William Dorich, 8 December 2011 22:11)
The buyer of these "books" must be only the Serbian church that then give for free to the "visitors". lol
Serbia would be an immeasurable ‘plus’ for the EU, especially in this period of economical crisis.
Is there any other country in Europe which has (at the same time) better relations/ties with Russia + China + the CEFTA + Independent States then Serbia.
I hope that EU-leaders will realize that with integrating Serbia, they have an excellent door to this very big part/market of the World.
While Merkel and Sarkozy and/or other EU-leaders are trying to find the good trick to make the EU survive, the solution might be ready to take it … (Integrate) Serbia, the door to Russia, China and CEFTA…
Serbia has a strong strategic position. It is on the correct place to make Russia + China work together with US + EU. It is on a very important position to make EU work together with its direct CEFTA neighbors…who will have a positive influence on the stability of the EU and its borders…
As I already said before… The EU needs Serbia more then visa versa… and I hope that EU-leaders will understand this…
However, last months, the US, EU and the world have seen that they were completely wrong by pushing Kosovo to its unilateral declaration of independence.
The question is now only if those who pushed Kosovo, are know correct, honest and smart and brave enough to admits this, by not making their Kosovo-mistake a new condition for not granting the EU-candidate status …
Let’s see how brave and correct they are…
When Serbia would not be granted the deserved status, then it will say more about the EU-decision makers, then about Serbia.
Serbia is ready for this status, but I doubt that the EU is ready for it (intellectually)…
But, there are more ‘strategic wise leaders’ in Serbia then in many other EU-countries. Do not forget that Serbia has many people who had a long experience in running/managing several republics and cultures in the YU era… Isn’t it that what the EU is now looking for?
Please EU-leaders, go consult the Serbian leaders, they have wise ideas…
"William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
William Dorich"
Willie, based on your post you are far from being a credible author.
You should stick to your propaganda blog and let real authors do the writing.
Well, Mr. Tadic, I like your piece and your expressive words, but this is why Serbia is not moving ahead and not advancing in EU accession process. Because you as a leader are very good at words,but you are forgetting that EU is diverse and only words cannot 'trick' the EU to make them give you candidate status.
And the worst thing is that you still think you can trick them. I have a feeling like the more you see you cannot trick them, the more you try to trick them. Serbian political class is failing to understand that you need a big breakthrough in shifting the attitude and telling your people the truth; - that Kosovo is lost. It is not part of your country and you can only fight for it endelessly but you will never win it back. A big Serbian patriot would be the one who would 'forget about Kosovo' and fight for the prosperity and development of Serbia. Serbians deserve to be enlightened and to be washed from the sins of their leaders. But unfortunately, antionalism is in the heads of people like you Mr. tadic, too.
Right, so its better for Serbia to join a union which is on the way to total collapse, while in that time the political elites in Serbia profit hugely while the ordinary people suffer with higher taxes to fund the infrastructures of foreign countries. And anyway when the EU collapses the majority of countries in Europe will face nationalist gains.
At least nationalists are honest about their belifs and are not willing to sell themselves for cash (and please no examples about Milosevic, who was never a true nationalist). A rise in nationalism in Serbia can only mean a country which will stand up for itself in the face of western colonisation, and taking a hard line stance over the seperatism and terrorism by the albanians in Kosovo. But even for the social well being of society, the various nationalist groups in Serbia have more coherent and realistic policies to have the ordinary person living in Serbia.
This leadership doesn't care about the Serbian people, only their own pockets, and that is why they fear nationalism so much because they do care for the people, and wish make traitors like Tadic history.
SCP UK, 8 December 2011 12:37
While you may want to snuggle up to the great white bear, take a look actually where your economical support comes from. Those of you who root for the collapse of the west have no clue what your future will bring.
Nationalism has brought nothing good to Serbia. More Serbs become nationalist more lands they lose. This time God knows who'll become independent; Vojvodina, Sandzak, Presheva Valley, etc.
(Avni, 8 December 2011 15:07)
It's interesting, that nationalism brought a lot to KAlbs.
William Dorich is the author of 6 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo. His current book is Serbia: Faces & Places. He is the recipient of "The Order of St Sava" bestowed on him by the Holy Synod of Serbian Orthodox Bishops and "An Award of Merit" from the Serbian Bar Association of America.
(William Dorich, 8 December 2011 22:11)
Sounds like a truly impartial author... Is your work filed in the fantasy department?
"And why in God's name is it not Albanian "Nationalism" that they has cleansed 260,000 Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo, declared an illegal independence and established yet again another ethnically pure state in the Balkans?"
So Kosovo has now a negative number of Serbs? 260.000 expelled means 60.000 more than there were actually living. Magic!
Regarding the "illegal independence" Vuk has asked the ICJ and has even received an answer. Feel free to read it.
"Ethnically pure state" with K-Serbian ministers and MPs.. Amazing...
Personally, as a Serb, I hope that Serbia does not get accepted into the EU. Apart from it being bankrupt, and the fact that no other country was required to relinguish its territory to be admitted, it will be good to see those who are so drunk on this useless prospect, to realize that it was all not worth a penny. Once they realize that, they will see that Tadic sold out his country for something that was all along, worthless.
Hence, there goes the elections for Tadic. Mind you, if Tadic does not get the acceptance, he himself might put on a nationalistic front, only to get re-elected. Afterall, take a look at the other sellout, Dacic.
I worked as a diplomat in an Embassy in Belgrade and I am internationally selected (on world level) as an important analyst for that region.
Whatever be the decision, please continue to be that strong Serbia!
(JG, 8 December 2011 13:34)
I worked as a fighter pilot in space, have blown up a death star and have a father who wears a black uniform and a helmet all the time (but at least he has a cool voice). Pleased to meet you, Mr. diplomat.
In the long term, neither the EU or Russia are good options for Serbia. The EU is in financial ruin and has a rapidly declining and aging population. Likewise, Russia will eventually collapse from population decline, severe social problems, poor health, low life-expectancy, and rising radicalism on the borders.
Sigh. Well, according to scientists (if anyone listens to them anymore) once the full effects of environmental destruction set in, it really won't matter if Kosovo belongs to Serbia, or if Serbia belongs to the EU, or who slaughtered who back in 1415. The earth is dying, the human race is self-destructing. Get your heads out of the clouds and get real.
Look, there are alternatives but at this point in time we need to play our cards smart. The world is moving in a different direction. The South and Central Americas have formed a new union called Celac, where it excludes the USA and Canada but includes Cuba. Check -> [link]
Russia has also recently established the Eurasian Union, with modest beginnings but it will grow with time as the EU becomes more disfunctional. Check -> [link]/ This will be our path into Asia and the free world. There we will find many prosperous and strong friends. (Zoran, 8 December 2011 14:10)
I'm perlexed... I thought the evil US empire was a misery, but now you're saying that US is even more prosperous and strong than that EuroAsian or Celac union (since their average citizen earns a fraction of the US one). Sorry my friend but I think sj has provided enough brilliant analysis to convince us that the US empire is a misery.
Oh dear, history repeating once again. Under NAZI occupation I'm sure many considered whether joining them would be wiser than resistance. We do hear how some Serbians proudly confess their grandfather fought for the Austro-Hungarians or argue that we shouldn't have opposed the NAZIs and the same people claim it would be wiser for Serbia to join NATO and the EU.
You see, I do understand where Tadic is coming from. It doesn't mean he isn't a sell-out, he is. However it is a similar situation to that of Nedic during WWII. Under occupation, we are surrounded by NATO and EU wannabes (i.e. NAZIs and Axis members back then) and there is not too much room for maneuver at the moment. We are an island of resistance and we have to be patient until liberation. Germany in fact is doing us a great favour by delaying progress.
Look, there are alternatives but at this point in time we need to play our cards smart. The world is moving in a different direction. The South and Central Americas have formed a new union called Celac, where it excludes the USA and Canada but includes Cuba. Check -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16021120
Russia has also recently established the Eurasian Union, with modest beginnings but it will grow with time as the EU becomes more disfunctional. Check -> http://rt.com/news/eurasian-union-eu-better-667/ This will be our path into Asia and the free world. There we will find many prosperous and strong friends. The weakest link is Romania and although it seems committed to its EU and NATO status, it will be one of the first to fall.
Turkey, Albania and Qatar will have some very serious problems soon. Rome wasn't built in a day but it fell in one. That is the thing about these cycles, it takes a long time to build an empire but they fall very quickly.
Strange isn't it? What is the EU except a community of nations and where is a nation if its people don't believe in it? Isn't this nationalism? Consider the US and the Russian Federation. Nationalism doesn't work very will in either case. Both are a community of territories with different characters. Many of the earliest states in the US wanted to be independent countries at one time, Pennsylvania, for example. And many of the territories in the Russian Federation could not be considered Russian.
But the countries of the EU are distinct nations, they could not be describe as anything else. And many of these countries, Germany, for example, have struggled for indentification in the face of imperialism, both from within and without. Imperialism is subversive to nationalism. The history of Serbia is the history of the struggle to attain what the other nations of the EU have taken for granted for centuries. Now, just as the potential for a vital Serbian nation emmerges, for some reason, this is not to be encouraged.
Tadic is not a conspirator, he just doesn't know what he is talking about. This is like his proclomation that Serbia didn't want to make mistakes about international agreements that he didn't seem to understand. The man just isn't thinking very hard. I hope he doesn't make it in the next election.
In 2008 Serbs chose the EU over Kosovo in voting for Tadic and where has it got them? Voting for Tadic and EU over Serbia was a HUGE mistake. Serbia has no one in the government that cares about Serbia. They are all like Vichy Serbs for the EU.
Funny Mr President! when Germany or France fall into nationalism as they are today...we call it "pride" or "patriotism" for Serbia its the evil "nationalism" word used to describe it!! Maybe..Just maybe some of that "German pride" is just what we need now ??
pro-me, 9 December 2011 08:28)
If you look at any of his works you will find he falls right in line with John Bostnitch and Judy Goren. His writing is so overwhelming prejudicial it could never be taken seriously. He paints the serbs as a cross between Saints and innocent victims and Albanians as having no redeeming qualities.
I have to admit that serbs in Northen Kosovo more than anyone else are working for Albanian couse.
I guess it beats albanians actually having to do any honest work so that they can rely on hand outs from their current powerful supporters. Just roll over and you'll have your belly tickled you little minx.
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