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Wednesday, 07.12.2011.

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600 protesters arrested in Moscow

Moscow police have arrested around 600 people who tried to hold an illegal rally at a square in downtown Moscow.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

to (ben, 7 December 2011 16:49)

1. Putin is still rather popular.
2. The parties the West would support gained very little. They are not popular.
3. Chechnya actually was independent, but they attacked Russia and we had to go to war with them again. I didn't like it, I don't think Chechnya is worth young Russian people lives, neither do I think now that Chechnya is worth all that money spent on it, but even people who don't like Putin say we didn't have any other alternatives, but to fight.

pss

pre 12 godina

I watch Hilary Clinton meet with the “Syrian opposition” and with that annoying nasally voice talk about “rule of law” and democracy”. I wonder when they removed the protesters from Wall Street at 2 am in the morning with batons and pepper spray she was no where to be heard about freedom etc. Several news people were aware of the impending police action, but were told to stay away – so much for the free press.

She is also very silent on Saudi Arabia’s attitude to women as well.

I suppose there are subtly differences in all of this, but I fail to see them.

For those that think this is only an aberration, don’t, the US so called freedom BS is just that. During the early days of the 20 century when unions went on strike, industrialist would bring strike breakers and employ the Pinkerton to beat up anyone in front of their gates – in fact there were occasions when they even used live ammunition with no reprisals from the freedom loving governments.
(sj, 7 December 2011 22:04)
The Occupy Wallstreet protestors have had several several weeks to express their opinions. Protesters in Russia aren't even allowed a few minutes. You probably have never been able to really understand the freedom concept growing up in a communist environment and not being allowed to express yourself, which carries on today as you sing praises to the lands of Russia and China and constant criticism of the west. Most of what you verbalize is reminiscient of the cold war era.
But anyway, there is no true totally free society, you have to be bound by laws and protections for others and the society itself. Being able to express oneself and express ones opinion cannot in itself be allowed to cause harm to others and to society itself.
Being able to hold up a sign criticizing President Obama is an expression of freedom of speech, building a "barricade" in front of the White House and block others freedoms is not.
An organized protest in Belgrade over the UDI of Kosovo is perceived as exhibiting freedom of speech. Ransacking a McDonalds, looting businesses and burning down Embassey's is not.

You and others trash Kosovo because of tampered elections but when the people of Russia are protesting about the same thing in their own country, your reaction is to try and build a smokescreen by condemning the US.
I find it very humorous that you use analogies of America before my grandmother was born to justify actions in Russia today.

Predrag

pre 12 godina

To the Albanians hypocrites, first take the plank out of your own eyes, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from Russia’s eye!

Do we really need to mention the messy and corrupt state of affairs in Albania where police have killed protesters and many others injured!

Do we also need to mention the rigged elections in KosovA where it seems even the dead have been voting for the criminal and Organ trafficker, Thaci (The Snake)

And we can always, of course, refer to the wonderful Americans who have arrested many more of their own citizens in the Wall Street protests, as well as supporting criminal, oppressive and dictatorial regimes all over the world!

Ataman

pre 12 godina

This is very very strange and naive for K-serbs, Kosova-serbs support RUSSIAN Government and Russian Peopele dose not support ther own Government not only dose not support ther own Government but they Hate ther own Governmen something rong with K- serbs.
(Bahri, 7 December 2011 19:06)

Indeed, I stand up and confess: I really do not like the Russian government. I think, they are sell-outs just like your friend Berisha Tadiqi, I mean, Boris Tadic - betraying own people.

K-Albanians would be probably very happy if I would be the president of Russia (not that I want to become!) because I loathe both Putin and communists and won't mind to see the black two-headed eagle all over Kosova.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Lesser_Coat_of_Arms_of_Russian_Empire.svg

So at least on that thing we do agree. I have some eerie feeling, most Kosovo Serbs do agree on that, too

Iriqi i Moskës

pre 12 godina

it would seem that amoung the tunnel-visioned warriors
(tsk tsk, 7 December 2011 19:47)

No wonder, tunnel vision is what Kosova is famous for. Comes straight from Prizren Liga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcfyNEXo_NQ

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Yeh Putin has sent out his "Putin Youth" aka Nashi to counter protest and do his dirty work.

It looks better in the media if his youth movement do the dirty work instead of the FSB (aka KGB), Police or Military do the dirty work. Just like when the Putin Youth smashed up the Estonian Embassy in 2007.

And of course, opposition leaders have been arrested. Now did Putin teach that trick to Lukashenko or was it the other way round? I can never remember.

But where did Putin learn how to "cunningly" fix an election? I wonder if he made some notes from George Bush's so-called election victory in 2000?

sj

pre 12 godina

Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.
(Kosova-USA, 7 December 2011 15:22)

I watch Hilary Clinton meet with the “Syrian opposition” and with that annoying nasally voice talk about “rule of law” and democracy”. I wonder when they removed the protesters from Wall Street at 2 am in the morning with batons and pepper spray she was no where to be heard about freedom etc. Several news people were aware of the impending police action, but were told to stay away – so much for the free press.

She is also very silent on Saudi Arabia’s attitude to women as well.

I suppose there are subtly differences in all of this, but I fail to see them.

For those that think this is only an aberration, don’t, the US so called freedom BS is just that. During the early days of the 20 century when unions went on strike, industrialist would bring strike breakers and employ the Pinkerton to beat up anyone in front of their gates – in fact there were occasions when they even used live ammunition with no reprisals from the freedom loving governments.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

I would just like to point out to our Albanian commentators that the 2nd and 3rd place parties (the only ones who could possibly take power from Putin and Medvedev) were Communists and Ultra nationalists. So if you think these guys are booted from power and magically some pro Pristina candidate comes out of no where to give your people everything they dream for, your wrong.

The only neo liberal pro EU party in Russia finished with a 0.6% effort, and no one is disputing their performance trust me. It's like trying to get rid of Dodik from RS will only bring the west the party that Karadzic founded. Dodik and Putin are the best the West has to work with so either get used to it or get ready for even more headaches.

tsk tsk

pre 12 godina

it would seem that amoung the tunnel-visioned warriors only one is willing to actually take their prejiduced visors off and point out that russia is no way better or worse at quelling its unhappy citizens trying to protest a grievance than is usa or uk (two world recognized leaders of free speach and civil libarties -- note that russia is not as such recognized for this quality and as such one would expect russia to be harsher, not just as harsh, as the vioces of freedom).
i don't suspect that many will defend russian actions agaist their own dissatisfied population, but to detrack russia without including usa or uk is suspiciously onesided, hypocritical and juvinial

Bahri

pre 12 godina

This is very very strange and naive for K-serbs, Kosova-serbs support RUSSIAN Government and Russian Peopele dose not support ther own Government not only dose not support ther own Government but they Hate ther own Governmen something rong with K- serbs.

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.
(Kosova-USA, 7 December 2011 15:22)

That's the Russian way of 'freedom of movement': The Russian police feels free to move protesters to prison LOL

ben

pre 12 godina

It never stops to amaze me the talent of Serbs to support regimes which are not supported by their own people.
It was Geddaffi, Ben-Ali, Mubarak, Sadam, now it is Putin’s turn. Do you ask yourselves why?

Kosova-US: good question- for deaf ears unfortunately!
Russian arrogance is worldwide known fact.
The hypocrisy that you highlight is just one of many that Russians have and are doing. Why Belarus can be independent country and Chechnya not?? Why South Ossetia and Abkhasia can be independent but Chechnya not???
You see these are much bigger questions to which the arrogant bear cannot be bothered to answer rather than your question why is OK for Russia that Serbia erect barricades in Kosova while at the same time in Russia you cannot hold even a relay to manifest your dissatisfaction and express your contrary opinion to the regime??
Let’s hope in Russian spring and that important country finds strengths as Arab world has found now and walk towards true and genuine democracy.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

shows how the Russian government is scared.The people of Russia clearly want a reformed government which does not attempt to rig elections.I truly think this is Putins last bid for president.In terms of hippocracy my friend its the same with the USA.It brags on about human rights and so on in its own state (which it has more or less),yet supports dictatoral regimes like in Saudi Arabia,Kuwait,Bahrain and so on.So yeah no sole blame can be put on Moscow here.But i do agree Russia has a while before it becomes a true democracy,then again united Russia has done some big things,eg cutting poverty by more than half,Russia's economy increased sevenfold and its infastructure is starting to reform and rebuild.Still they are corrupt and autocratic as hell and i agree with the many Russians who think so to.Yet still if you look at how long Margret Thatchers conservative government in Britain lasted (16 years) it does not seem worse than the united Russia party.

PS.may sound kinda obvious,but i think you better look at your own "country" before you criticize others.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

Several opposition groups tried to hold illegal rallies in Moscow in the meantime. The participants have been detained.

"illegal rallies"
Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

Several opposition groups tried to hold illegal rallies in Moscow in the meantime. The participants have been detained.

"illegal rallies"
Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.
(Kosova-USA, 7 December 2011 15:22)

That's the Russian way of 'freedom of movement': The Russian police feels free to move protesters to prison LOL

ben

pre 12 godina

It never stops to amaze me the talent of Serbs to support regimes which are not supported by their own people.
It was Geddaffi, Ben-Ali, Mubarak, Sadam, now it is Putin’s turn. Do you ask yourselves why?

Kosova-US: good question- for deaf ears unfortunately!
Russian arrogance is worldwide known fact.
The hypocrisy that you highlight is just one of many that Russians have and are doing. Why Belarus can be independent country and Chechnya not?? Why South Ossetia and Abkhasia can be independent but Chechnya not???
You see these are much bigger questions to which the arrogant bear cannot be bothered to answer rather than your question why is OK for Russia that Serbia erect barricades in Kosova while at the same time in Russia you cannot hold even a relay to manifest your dissatisfaction and express your contrary opinion to the regime??
Let’s hope in Russian spring and that important country finds strengths as Arab world has found now and walk towards true and genuine democracy.

Predrag

pre 12 godina

To the Albanians hypocrites, first take the plank out of your own eyes, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from Russia’s eye!

Do we really need to mention the messy and corrupt state of affairs in Albania where police have killed protesters and many others injured!

Do we also need to mention the rigged elections in KosovA where it seems even the dead have been voting for the criminal and Organ trafficker, Thaci (The Snake)

And we can always, of course, refer to the wonderful Americans who have arrested many more of their own citizens in the Wall Street protests, as well as supporting criminal, oppressive and dictatorial regimes all over the world!

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

I would just like to point out to our Albanian commentators that the 2nd and 3rd place parties (the only ones who could possibly take power from Putin and Medvedev) were Communists and Ultra nationalists. So if you think these guys are booted from power and magically some pro Pristina candidate comes out of no where to give your people everything they dream for, your wrong.

The only neo liberal pro EU party in Russia finished with a 0.6% effort, and no one is disputing their performance trust me. It's like trying to get rid of Dodik from RS will only bring the west the party that Karadzic founded. Dodik and Putin are the best the West has to work with so either get used to it or get ready for even more headaches.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

shows how the Russian government is scared.The people of Russia clearly want a reformed government which does not attempt to rig elections.I truly think this is Putins last bid for president.In terms of hippocracy my friend its the same with the USA.It brags on about human rights and so on in its own state (which it has more or less),yet supports dictatoral regimes like in Saudi Arabia,Kuwait,Bahrain and so on.So yeah no sole blame can be put on Moscow here.But i do agree Russia has a while before it becomes a true democracy,then again united Russia has done some big things,eg cutting poverty by more than half,Russia's economy increased sevenfold and its infastructure is starting to reform and rebuild.Still they are corrupt and autocratic as hell and i agree with the many Russians who think so to.Yet still if you look at how long Margret Thatchers conservative government in Britain lasted (16 years) it does not seem worse than the united Russia party.

PS.may sound kinda obvious,but i think you better look at your own "country" before you criticize others.

sj

pre 12 godina

Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.
(Kosova-USA, 7 December 2011 15:22)

I watch Hilary Clinton meet with the “Syrian opposition” and with that annoying nasally voice talk about “rule of law” and democracy”. I wonder when they removed the protesters from Wall Street at 2 am in the morning with batons and pepper spray she was no where to be heard about freedom etc. Several news people were aware of the impending police action, but were told to stay away – so much for the free press.

She is also very silent on Saudi Arabia’s attitude to women as well.

I suppose there are subtly differences in all of this, but I fail to see them.

For those that think this is only an aberration, don’t, the US so called freedom BS is just that. During the early days of the 20 century when unions went on strike, industrialist would bring strike breakers and employ the Pinkerton to beat up anyone in front of their gates – in fact there were occasions when they even used live ammunition with no reprisals from the freedom loving governments.

Bahri

pre 12 godina

This is very very strange and naive for K-serbs, Kosova-serbs support RUSSIAN Government and Russian Peopele dose not support ther own Government not only dose not support ther own Government but they Hate ther own Governmen something rong with K- serbs.

tsk tsk

pre 12 godina

it would seem that amoung the tunnel-visioned warriors only one is willing to actually take their prejiduced visors off and point out that russia is no way better or worse at quelling its unhappy citizens trying to protest a grievance than is usa or uk (two world recognized leaders of free speach and civil libarties -- note that russia is not as such recognized for this quality and as such one would expect russia to be harsher, not just as harsh, as the vioces of freedom).
i don't suspect that many will defend russian actions agaist their own dissatisfied population, but to detrack russia without including usa or uk is suspiciously onesided, hypocritical and juvinial

pss

pre 12 godina

I watch Hilary Clinton meet with the “Syrian opposition” and with that annoying nasally voice talk about “rule of law” and democracy”. I wonder when they removed the protesters from Wall Street at 2 am in the morning with batons and pepper spray she was no where to be heard about freedom etc. Several news people were aware of the impending police action, but were told to stay away – so much for the free press.

She is also very silent on Saudi Arabia’s attitude to women as well.

I suppose there are subtly differences in all of this, but I fail to see them.

For those that think this is only an aberration, don’t, the US so called freedom BS is just that. During the early days of the 20 century when unions went on strike, industrialist would bring strike breakers and employ the Pinkerton to beat up anyone in front of their gates – in fact there were occasions when they even used live ammunition with no reprisals from the freedom loving governments.
(sj, 7 December 2011 22:04)
The Occupy Wallstreet protestors have had several several weeks to express their opinions. Protesters in Russia aren't even allowed a few minutes. You probably have never been able to really understand the freedom concept growing up in a communist environment and not being allowed to express yourself, which carries on today as you sing praises to the lands of Russia and China and constant criticism of the west. Most of what you verbalize is reminiscient of the cold war era.
But anyway, there is no true totally free society, you have to be bound by laws and protections for others and the society itself. Being able to express oneself and express ones opinion cannot in itself be allowed to cause harm to others and to society itself.
Being able to hold up a sign criticizing President Obama is an expression of freedom of speech, building a "barricade" in front of the White House and block others freedoms is not.
An organized protest in Belgrade over the UDI of Kosovo is perceived as exhibiting freedom of speech. Ransacking a McDonalds, looting businesses and burning down Embassey's is not.

You and others trash Kosovo because of tampered elections but when the people of Russia are protesting about the same thing in their own country, your reaction is to try and build a smokescreen by condemning the US.
I find it very humorous that you use analogies of America before my grandmother was born to justify actions in Russia today.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

to (ben, 7 December 2011 16:49)

1. Putin is still rather popular.
2. The parties the West would support gained very little. They are not popular.
3. Chechnya actually was independent, but they attacked Russia and we had to go to war with them again. I didn't like it, I don't think Chechnya is worth young Russian people lives, neither do I think now that Chechnya is worth all that money spent on it, but even people who don't like Putin say we didn't have any other alternatives, but to fight.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Yeh Putin has sent out his "Putin Youth" aka Nashi to counter protest and do his dirty work.

It looks better in the media if his youth movement do the dirty work instead of the FSB (aka KGB), Police or Military do the dirty work. Just like when the Putin Youth smashed up the Estonian Embassy in 2007.

And of course, opposition leaders have been arrested. Now did Putin teach that trick to Lukashenko or was it the other way round? I can never remember.

But where did Putin learn how to "cunningly" fix an election? I wonder if he made some notes from George Bush's so-called election victory in 2000?

Ataman

pre 12 godina

This is very very strange and naive for K-serbs, Kosova-serbs support RUSSIAN Government and Russian Peopele dose not support ther own Government not only dose not support ther own Government but they Hate ther own Governmen something rong with K- serbs.
(Bahri, 7 December 2011 19:06)

Indeed, I stand up and confess: I really do not like the Russian government. I think, they are sell-outs just like your friend Berisha Tadiqi, I mean, Boris Tadic - betraying own people.

K-Albanians would be probably very happy if I would be the president of Russia (not that I want to become!) because I loathe both Putin and communists and won't mind to see the black two-headed eagle all over Kosova.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Lesser_Coat_of_Arms_of_Russian_Empire.svg

So at least on that thing we do agree. I have some eerie feeling, most Kosovo Serbs do agree on that, too

Iriqi i Moskës

pre 12 godina

it would seem that amoung the tunnel-visioned warriors
(tsk tsk, 7 December 2011 19:47)

No wonder, tunnel vision is what Kosova is famous for. Comes straight from Prizren Liga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcfyNEXo_NQ

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

Several opposition groups tried to hold illegal rallies in Moscow in the meantime. The participants have been detained.

"illegal rallies"
Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.

ben

pre 12 godina

It never stops to amaze me the talent of Serbs to support regimes which are not supported by their own people.
It was Geddaffi, Ben-Ali, Mubarak, Sadam, now it is Putin’s turn. Do you ask yourselves why?

Kosova-US: good question- for deaf ears unfortunately!
Russian arrogance is worldwide known fact.
The hypocrisy that you highlight is just one of many that Russians have and are doing. Why Belarus can be independent country and Chechnya not?? Why South Ossetia and Abkhasia can be independent but Chechnya not???
You see these are much bigger questions to which the arrogant bear cannot be bothered to answer rather than your question why is OK for Russia that Serbia erect barricades in Kosova while at the same time in Russia you cannot hold even a relay to manifest your dissatisfaction and express your contrary opinion to the regime??
Let’s hope in Russian spring and that important country finds strengths as Arab world has found now and walk towards true and genuine democracy.

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.
(Kosova-USA, 7 December 2011 15:22)

That's the Russian way of 'freedom of movement': The Russian police feels free to move protesters to prison LOL

Bahri

pre 12 godina

This is very very strange and naive for K-serbs, Kosova-serbs support RUSSIAN Government and Russian Peopele dose not support ther own Government not only dose not support ther own Government but they Hate ther own Governmen something rong with K- serbs.

sj

pre 12 godina

Where is Rusian Ambassador to UN on all this? He talks crap at UNSC how right are K-Serbs for erecting barricades, but not a word on freedom of expression in his own country.
(Kosova-USA, 7 December 2011 15:22)

I watch Hilary Clinton meet with the “Syrian opposition” and with that annoying nasally voice talk about “rule of law” and democracy”. I wonder when they removed the protesters from Wall Street at 2 am in the morning with batons and pepper spray she was no where to be heard about freedom etc. Several news people were aware of the impending police action, but were told to stay away – so much for the free press.

She is also very silent on Saudi Arabia’s attitude to women as well.

I suppose there are subtly differences in all of this, but I fail to see them.

For those that think this is only an aberration, don’t, the US so called freedom BS is just that. During the early days of the 20 century when unions went on strike, industrialist would bring strike breakers and employ the Pinkerton to beat up anyone in front of their gates – in fact there were occasions when they even used live ammunition with no reprisals from the freedom loving governments.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

This is very very strange and naive for K-serbs, Kosova-serbs support RUSSIAN Government and Russian Peopele dose not support ther own Government not only dose not support ther own Government but they Hate ther own Governmen something rong with K- serbs.
(Bahri, 7 December 2011 19:06)

Indeed, I stand up and confess: I really do not like the Russian government. I think, they are sell-outs just like your friend Berisha Tadiqi, I mean, Boris Tadic - betraying own people.

K-Albanians would be probably very happy if I would be the president of Russia (not that I want to become!) because I loathe both Putin and communists and won't mind to see the black two-headed eagle all over Kosova.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Lesser_Coat_of_Arms_of_Russian_Empire.svg

So at least on that thing we do agree. I have some eerie feeling, most Kosovo Serbs do agree on that, too

Lazar

pre 12 godina

shows how the Russian government is scared.The people of Russia clearly want a reformed government which does not attempt to rig elections.I truly think this is Putins last bid for president.In terms of hippocracy my friend its the same with the USA.It brags on about human rights and so on in its own state (which it has more or less),yet supports dictatoral regimes like in Saudi Arabia,Kuwait,Bahrain and so on.So yeah no sole blame can be put on Moscow here.But i do agree Russia has a while before it becomes a true democracy,then again united Russia has done some big things,eg cutting poverty by more than half,Russia's economy increased sevenfold and its infastructure is starting to reform and rebuild.Still they are corrupt and autocratic as hell and i agree with the many Russians who think so to.Yet still if you look at how long Margret Thatchers conservative government in Britain lasted (16 years) it does not seem worse than the united Russia party.

PS.may sound kinda obvious,but i think you better look at your own "country" before you criticize others.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

I would just like to point out to our Albanian commentators that the 2nd and 3rd place parties (the only ones who could possibly take power from Putin and Medvedev) were Communists and Ultra nationalists. So if you think these guys are booted from power and magically some pro Pristina candidate comes out of no where to give your people everything they dream for, your wrong.

The only neo liberal pro EU party in Russia finished with a 0.6% effort, and no one is disputing their performance trust me. It's like trying to get rid of Dodik from RS will only bring the west the party that Karadzic founded. Dodik and Putin are the best the West has to work with so either get used to it or get ready for even more headaches.

tsk tsk

pre 12 godina

it would seem that amoung the tunnel-visioned warriors only one is willing to actually take their prejiduced visors off and point out that russia is no way better or worse at quelling its unhappy citizens trying to protest a grievance than is usa or uk (two world recognized leaders of free speach and civil libarties -- note that russia is not as such recognized for this quality and as such one would expect russia to be harsher, not just as harsh, as the vioces of freedom).
i don't suspect that many will defend russian actions agaist their own dissatisfied population, but to detrack russia without including usa or uk is suspiciously onesided, hypocritical and juvinial

Predrag

pre 12 godina

To the Albanians hypocrites, first take the plank out of your own eyes, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from Russia’s eye!

Do we really need to mention the messy and corrupt state of affairs in Albania where police have killed protesters and many others injured!

Do we also need to mention the rigged elections in KosovA where it seems even the dead have been voting for the criminal and Organ trafficker, Thaci (The Snake)

And we can always, of course, refer to the wonderful Americans who have arrested many more of their own citizens in the Wall Street protests, as well as supporting criminal, oppressive and dictatorial regimes all over the world!

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Yeh Putin has sent out his "Putin Youth" aka Nashi to counter protest and do his dirty work.

It looks better in the media if his youth movement do the dirty work instead of the FSB (aka KGB), Police or Military do the dirty work. Just like when the Putin Youth smashed up the Estonian Embassy in 2007.

And of course, opposition leaders have been arrested. Now did Putin teach that trick to Lukashenko or was it the other way round? I can never remember.

But where did Putin learn how to "cunningly" fix an election? I wonder if he made some notes from George Bush's so-called election victory in 2000?

Iriqi i Moskës

pre 12 godina

it would seem that amoung the tunnel-visioned warriors
(tsk tsk, 7 December 2011 19:47)

No wonder, tunnel vision is what Kosova is famous for. Comes straight from Prizren Liga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcfyNEXo_NQ

pss

pre 12 godina

I watch Hilary Clinton meet with the “Syrian opposition” and with that annoying nasally voice talk about “rule of law” and democracy”. I wonder when they removed the protesters from Wall Street at 2 am in the morning with batons and pepper spray she was no where to be heard about freedom etc. Several news people were aware of the impending police action, but were told to stay away – so much for the free press.

She is also very silent on Saudi Arabia’s attitude to women as well.

I suppose there are subtly differences in all of this, but I fail to see them.

For those that think this is only an aberration, don’t, the US so called freedom BS is just that. During the early days of the 20 century when unions went on strike, industrialist would bring strike breakers and employ the Pinkerton to beat up anyone in front of their gates – in fact there were occasions when they even used live ammunition with no reprisals from the freedom loving governments.
(sj, 7 December 2011 22:04)
The Occupy Wallstreet protestors have had several several weeks to express their opinions. Protesters in Russia aren't even allowed a few minutes. You probably have never been able to really understand the freedom concept growing up in a communist environment and not being allowed to express yourself, which carries on today as you sing praises to the lands of Russia and China and constant criticism of the west. Most of what you verbalize is reminiscient of the cold war era.
But anyway, there is no true totally free society, you have to be bound by laws and protections for others and the society itself. Being able to express oneself and express ones opinion cannot in itself be allowed to cause harm to others and to society itself.
Being able to hold up a sign criticizing President Obama is an expression of freedom of speech, building a "barricade" in front of the White House and block others freedoms is not.
An organized protest in Belgrade over the UDI of Kosovo is perceived as exhibiting freedom of speech. Ransacking a McDonalds, looting businesses and burning down Embassey's is not.

You and others trash Kosovo because of tampered elections but when the people of Russia are protesting about the same thing in their own country, your reaction is to try and build a smokescreen by condemning the US.
I find it very humorous that you use analogies of America before my grandmother was born to justify actions in Russia today.

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to (ben, 7 December 2011 16:49)

1. Putin is still rather popular.
2. The parties the West would support gained very little. They are not popular.
3. Chechnya actually was independent, but they attacked Russia and we had to go to war with them again. I didn't like it, I don't think Chechnya is worth young Russian people lives, neither do I think now that Chechnya is worth all that money spent on it, but even people who don't like Putin say we didn't have any other alternatives, but to fight.