No agreement on participation of Priština

I.E., Pristina can come to the forums and watch, but keep quiet. Works for me, if this will satisfy the foreign occupiers in KiM.

"I.E., Pristina can come to the forums and watch, but keep quiet. Works for me, if this will satisfy the foreign occupiers in KiM."
(Winston, 7 December 2011 10:53)

No, i.e. Pristina representatives will come to forums without having any state signs, so they participate as ordinary persons but not as officials of a state, simply because Kosovo is not state.

Right so what happened to boycotting all international meetings in which 'Kosovo' is invited? This is the next step to recognition, they don't want to immediately recognise 'Kosovo' in fear of election results, but this way every now and then they will 'discuss' certain arrangements, which will in the end lead to an informal recognition, which is bad enough. These traitorous people and this pathetic fool of a negotiator need to be sent into exile somewhere.

My question is if "kosovo" is truly independent why are they negotiating "kosovo" regional meeting participation?

I.E., Pristina can come to the forums and watch, but keep quiet. Works for me, if this will satisfy the foreign occupiers in KiM.
(Winston, 7 December 2011 10:53)

How soon you forget that there were many forums , where Serb reps walked out bc, Kosova reps were there and had the floor.
You see, Kosova does not have that problem and has never walked out just because Serb reps were there. Think about it!

"Pristina can come to the forums and watch, but keep quiet"

I believe that foreigners, instructors and observers were in Pristina are watcher , and albo is working on underground tunnels to create a Greater Albania. Following the example of Croatia, which was first created by Hitler during WWII. Propaganda says "Serbs want a Greater Serbia", practice shows up that the plan was made after WWII war and now is in last phase that Serbian land must be ceased, subtracted and given (per Hitler) to real Great Croatia and Great Albania also to create a very small Little Serbia. Conclusion: Hitler plan work, former Administrative border today is sweep out, don't exist any more in both case .

Good for you Borko, because Serb officials will do a lot of walking out from different meetings just like they did before.

Winston, 7 December 2011 10:53)
Or a better solution is that the Serbian officials just come home after each event and tell the Serbian people how that the Kosovo representatives were asked to leave so the Serbs could speak. They seem so ready to believe that without question. That way Kosovo participates, and Serbia participates and the people in Serbia are none the wiser!

(SCP UK, 7 December 2011 13:03)
The problem with that was that Serbia was being left on the sidelines instead of the center of attention. The foolish Serbian pride made you all believe that all you had to say was you have to choose have Kosovo or Serbia and everyone would abandon Kosovo just to make sure the Serbs would be present. But that backfired and everyone said we are inviting both and if you choose not to come we will proceed anyway. So the only thing you accomplished was to allow Kosovo to take the spotlight from Serbia at all meetings.

"My question is if "kosovo" is truly independent why are they negotiating "kosovo" regional meeting participation?
robert1899"

It's to accomplish 2 things:
1. Serbia to save face
2. To appease the 'extremists' at Tadic calls them from causing problems.

This is common knowledge.

With this demand for "asymmetrical" representation, Serbia is not trying to control Prishtina's behavior, but that of other countries. For the countries that have recognized Kosovo, it is as sovereign as Serbia, so how can they be forced to distinguish between how they treat the two of them? Serbia can control its own behavior - it can avoid attending any meetings where Kosovo is present - but trying to control the behavior of everybody else is certainly a stretch. It has been explained by people who know about international law than anyone likely to show up here - especially me - that appearing at the same forums as a state your country does not recognize has no bearing on your own non-recognition of it. Serbia is merely trying to get countries to back down on their full recognition of Kosovo, which is clearly beyond the scope of "technical talks."

As for the argument that if the EU doesn't give Serbia what the government is asking for, then the extremists will come to power - well, maybe that would be a good thing. Like Nixon going to China, it may only be the extremists who can make a deal with the EU that the troublemakers will accept. Or, alternatively, people will be represented by officials who actually reflect the people's views, and they will learn what the consequences are. And, BTW, don't count of Putin to come riding to the rescue - it looks like he's going to having problems of his own. (His threatening Europe with installing nuclear missiles on the border wasn't the big winner in the elections he seemed to think it would be.)

My question is if "kosovo" is truly independent why are they negotiating "kosovo" regional meeting participation?
(robert1899, 7 December 2011 18:08)

Kosova has nothing to negotiate and is not asking for it. It is Serbia that is pleading to negotiate to save face with its own pride and public consumption.

"Everything that doesn't say 'republic of Kosovo' and references (UNSC) Resolution 1244 is acceptable," said he.

If it doesn't say "republic of Serbia" I do not see any reason why to say "republic of Kosovo". An agreement can be reached for the sake of Serbia, if all participant countries to be called ie without the term republic that should be fine although it is rediculous. Kosovo MUST treated as equal partner.

My question is if "kosovo" is truly independent why are they negotiating "kosovo" regional meeting participation?
(robert1899, 7 December 2011 18:08)

Because Kosovo is "dependent" on Serbia...in other words "it is under Serbia's sovereignity". Does it makes sense to you know? If not let me know I will try to make it easier for you to understand)))

No, i.e. Pristina representatives will come to forums without having any state signs, so they participate as ordinary persons but not as officials of a state, simply because Kosovo is not state.
(Analyst, 7 December 2011 13:59)

you forgot to add at the end the words "for Serbia". Nobody has appointed Serbia to be the adjudicator of what is a state and what is not.

I.E., Pristina can come to the forums and watch, but keep quiet. Works for me, if this will satisfy the foreign occupiers in KiM.
(Winston, 7 December 2011 10:53)

How soon you forget that there were many forums , where Serb reps walked out bc, Kosova reps were there and had the floor.
You see, Kosova does not have that problem and has never walked out just because Serb reps were there. Think about it!

I.E., Pristina can come to the forums and watch, but keep quiet. Works for me, if this will satisfy the foreign occupiers in KiM.

Winston, 7 December 2011 10:53)
Or a better solution is that the Serbian officials just come home after each event and tell the Serbian people how that the Kosovo representatives were asked to leave so the Serbs could speak. They seem so ready to believe that without question. That way Kosovo participates, and Serbia participates and the people in Serbia are none the wiser!

(SCP UK, 7 December 2011 13:03)
The problem with that was that Serbia was being left on the sidelines instead of the center of attention. The foolish Serbian pride made you all believe that all you had to say was you have to choose have Kosovo or Serbia and everyone would abandon Kosovo just to make sure the Serbs would be present. But that backfired and everyone said we are inviting both and if you choose not to come we will proceed anyway. So the only thing you accomplished was to allow Kosovo to take the spotlight from Serbia at all meetings.

"I.E., Pristina can come to the forums and watch, but keep quiet. Works for me, if this will satisfy the foreign occupiers in KiM."
(Winston, 7 December 2011 10:53)

No, i.e. Pristina representatives will come to forums without having any state signs, so they participate as ordinary persons but not as officials of a state, simply because Kosovo is not state.

"My question is if "kosovo" is truly independent why are they negotiating "kosovo" regional meeting participation?
robert1899"

It's to accomplish 2 things:
1. Serbia to save face
2. To appease the 'extremists' at Tadic calls them from causing problems.

This is common knowledge.

Good for you Borko, because Serb officials will do a lot of walking out from different meetings just like they did before.

My question is if "kosovo" is truly independent why are they negotiating "kosovo" regional meeting participation?
(robert1899, 7 December 2011 18:08)

Because Kosovo is "dependent" on Serbia...in other words "it is under Serbia's sovereignity". Does it makes sense to you know? If not let me know I will try to make it easier for you to understand)))

"Pristina can come to the forums and watch, but keep quiet"

I believe that foreigners, instructors and observers were in Pristina are watcher , and albo is working on underground tunnels to create a Greater Albania. Following the example of Croatia, which was first created by Hitler during WWII. Propaganda says "Serbs want a Greater Serbia", practice shows up that the plan was made after WWII war and now is in last phase that Serbian land must be ceased, subtracted and given (per Hitler) to real Great Croatia and Great Albania also to create a very small Little Serbia. Conclusion: Hitler plan work, former Administrative border today is sweep out, don't exist any more in both case .

With this demand for "asymmetrical" representation, Serbia is not trying to control Prishtina's behavior, but that of other countries. For the countries that have recognized Kosovo, it is as sovereign as Serbia, so how can they be forced to distinguish between how they treat the two of them? Serbia can control its own behavior - it can avoid attending any meetings where Kosovo is present - but trying to control the behavior of everybody else is certainly a stretch. It has been explained by people who know about international law than anyone likely to show up here - especially me - that appearing at the same forums as a state your country does not recognize has no bearing on your own non-recognition of it. Serbia is merely trying to get countries to back down on their full recognition of Kosovo, which is clearly beyond the scope of "technical talks."

As for the argument that if the EU doesn't give Serbia what the government is asking for, then the extremists will come to power - well, maybe that would be a good thing. Like Nixon going to China, it may only be the extremists who can make a deal with the EU that the troublemakers will accept. Or, alternatively, people will be represented by officials who actually reflect the people's views, and they will learn what the consequences are. And, BTW, don't count of Putin to come riding to the rescue - it looks like he's going to having problems of his own. (His threatening Europe with installing nuclear missiles on the border wasn't the big winner in the elections he seemed to think it would be.)

Right so what happened to boycotting all international meetings in which 'Kosovo' is invited? This is the next step to recognition, they don't want to immediately recognise 'Kosovo' in fear of election results, but this way every now and then they will 'discuss' certain arrangements, which will in the end lead to an informal recognition, which is bad enough. These traitorous people and this pathetic fool of a negotiator need to be sent into exile somewhere.

My question is if "kosovo" is truly independent why are they negotiating "kosovo" regional meeting participation?
(robert1899, 7 December 2011 18:08)

Kosova has nothing to negotiate and is not asking for it. It is Serbia that is pleading to negotiate to save face with its own pride and public consumption.

"Everything that doesn't say 'republic of Kosovo' and references (UNSC) Resolution 1244 is acceptable," said he.

If it doesn't say "republic of Serbia" I do not see any reason why to say "republic of Kosovo". An agreement can be reached for the sake of Serbia, if all participant countries to be called ie without the term republic that should be fine although it is rediculous. Kosovo MUST treated as equal partner.

My question is if "kosovo" is truly independent why are they negotiating "kosovo" regional meeting participation?

No, i.e. Pristina representatives will come to forums without having any state signs, so they participate as ordinary persons but not as officials of a state, simply because Kosovo is not state.
(Analyst, 7 December 2011 13:59)

you forgot to add at the end the words "for Serbia". Nobody has appointed Serbia to be the adjudicator of what is a state and what is not.