Daily: Three EU members against Serbia’s candidacy

Isn't it a bizarre and contradictory that Germany on the one hand recognized the 'independent Kosovo' and on the other hands blames Serbia for violence in Northern Kosovo against KFOR committed by Kosovo citizens?

If Britain and Germany oppose candidacy then I think we know what the decision will be on Monday. Good, I hope Serbia never recieves candidacy.

This is what I think will happen -- the EU will not grant Serbia candidate status next week, but will couch it in diplomatically polite language -- such as declaring that the decision has been "postponed". And wither Tadic's propects for re-election?

Germany and Austria? They should be paying us reparations of 1 Trillion euros for murdering our bravest men and our women and children in the World wars and 90s. And Britain too for betraying Draza in wwii and making us wait and starve on Corfu in wwi. We lost close to half our male population because of these countries and now they dont want us like we did something wrong?!

It's obvious that Germany is unable to shed it's historical animosity towards Serbia, and is using the situation at the border crossings as an excuse to exert greater pressure. Why for instance was the Teutonic contingent of KFOR deployed to confront the local populace in the first place, knowing full well the situation could escalate into violence. French or Irish troops should have been deployed instead. But no, let's send the Germans and Austrians. That was bound to be percieved by the Serbs as purposely provocative. Luckily the French and others are fully aware of the dangerous game the Germans and the US (who are behind most anti-Serb actions) are playing. Serbia is too important a player for stability in the Western Balkans to be permanently excluded due to German and British prejudice. The French and others understand this. Kosovo is irrelevant. And besides if Serbia is rejected, Kosovo can forget it too. Maybe the Albanians should think about that before picking a fight with the Kosovo Serbs.

Yet more endless PR BS.

I don't understand why albo trolls are so happy Serbia didn't get candidate status because that's the only way they will get in the eu ...Hahaha

Very dangeroues not giving a candidate status to serbia.
This does not mean becoming a member.
Look at turkey they are candidate for 20 years already.
The problem is that some countries did not get kosovo independant after NATO mombing.
Thesecountries thought Kosovo was just another republique with defined borders. They never took time to see that kosovo is serbia.

If Britain and Germany oppose candidacy then I think we know what the decision will be on Monday. Good, I hope Serbia never recieves candidacy.
(SPC UK, 3 December 2011 13:54)

I'm sure Albanians hope the same so they don't have to deal with headaches like Serbia becoming an EU member.

This is probably one of the few things that Serbs and Albanians agree (assuming, of course, that the majority of all Serbs - not just the Kosovo ones - don't want Serbia to become an EU member).

It's obvious that Germany is unable to shed it's historical animosity towards Serbia, and is using the situation at the border crossings as an excuse to exert greater pressure. Why for instance was the Teutonic contingent of KFOR deployed to confront the local populace in the first place, knowing full well the situation could escalate into violence. French or Irish troops should have been deployed instead. But no, let's send the Germans and Austrians. That was bound to be percieved by the Serbs as purposely provocative. Luckily the French and others are fully aware of the dangerous game the Germans and the US (who are behind most anti-Serb actions) are playing. Serbia is too important a player for stability in the Western Balkans to be permanently excluded due to German and British prejudice.
(PEN, 3 December 2011 13:40)

We always did beat Germans and will always beat Germans. Not a single conflict did Germans won against us - that's their fate. As for Americans... they will have their Saigon in Mitrovica, just question of the time.

http://www.sovmusic.ru/m/pesnyama.mp3

Merkel's place in a certain hotspot is reserved. She was a STASI meanie and remained who she is. I ensure you, every honest German loathes her, in particular ones in ex-DDR. She is a shame of DDR, shame of Germany. No backbone, only bicicle and tongue: pedal everyone underneath, lick everyone above. She was a good FDJ girl, knows the procedure.

I don't understand why albo trolls are so happy Serbia didn't get candidate status because that's the only way they will get in the eu ...Hahaha
(grobar1, 3 December 2011 18:05)

Albo trolls are famous for their strong backbone. I just hope, they won't apply for Russian citizenship and paint Orthodox crosses in their bedroom... because everyone they side with becomes a loser. This is the fate of Albanians, I guess.

PEN is absolutely right. Clearly, German historical animosity is still alive and well against Serbia. Thus, if the EU doesn't want us, then we move on. As far as Kosovo is concerned, UNSC 1244 keeps Kosovo as an autonomous province of Serbia, and it will never become a UN member or EU member for that matter. So that's not the issue. The real issue is this nonsensical idea that there is no alternative to the EU. The last time I checked, the planet Earth is really big: we are supported by the BRIC nations as well as the NAM nations in our political/economic relations. Add to that the Customs Union of Central Asia, which is supportive and extremely energy rich. Under those circumstances, Serbia, which is a nation of only about seven million people (much less than New York City) will do quite fine. When the top dog in the EU, Germany, despises you anyway and will treat us like a WC cleaner in a hotel, why get on your knees and beg like a child to join it? The future of global economic growth and ultra development is Asia: just ask the Americans, they certainly know that reality well.

"I'm sure Albanians hope the same so they don't have to deal with headaches like Serbia becoming an EU member.

(icj1, 3 December 2011 16:02) "

Why should Serbia becoming a member give Albanians a headache?

“Because it will try to veto EU actions in Kosovo (like Eulex, future Kosovo membership negotiations, visa-free travel to the EU of Kosovo citizens, etc., etc...). For Albanians it better having Serbia outside the EU, at least until Kosovo joins.

I don't think that Kosovo can do anything to delay Serbia's EU membership, but Serbia has enough self-destructive energies to achive the same. Hopefully somobody like Vuk or Vojislav is elected the next Serbia's president and Kosovo is good for another couple of decades.
(icj1, 4 December 2011 15:49)”

But I thought once the Lisbon treaty comes into effect, no one EU member can veto a newbie’s entry anymore?

And I do not think it is necessarily true that Kosovo is better off with Serbia outside the EU and kept a long way from joining -- assuming, of course, that Kosovo is also interested in joining and wants to deal with a friendlier Belgrade. The major EU members (Germany, UK, France) support Pristina’s independence from Serbia. If they were to make it easier for Serbia to make rapid progress in her EU membership drive while clearly specifying that Serbia must come to an agreement with Kosovo before the actual entry itself, then I think the Serbians will have more motivation to aspire to EU membership – they might then even be eager to make the concessions that the West sought if they have already make it to the doorsteps and the only condition left is an agreement with Pristina.

The biggest hold that the EU has on Tadic's government now is the latter's eagerness for Serbia to enter the EU. It would therefore be stupidity for the EU to douse this eagerness if it really wants to have Serbia as a member.

On the other hand, with the likes of Germany right now making what Serbia would see as extremely harsh conditions for EU entry even before she has a chance to get on to the starting block, the Serbians might just decide that the long, long race is simply too tedious to begin and not even worth trying. And the Serbians might just, as you stated, elect a government that the West would prefer not to deal with and one which would be more hostile towards Kosovo.

My personal opinion however is that it is not in Serbia’s interest to join the EU and be under the thumb of London, Paris and Berlin in all but name. She should aim instead for whatever beneficial economic ties that she can get from the EU iand get as much as she can in economic aid and trade from it.

“You thought bad :) “

What do you mean?


“Those things don’t matter. Serbia’s Constitution is clear. So all those concessions would be illegal and without any value under Serbian law. Albanians in Kosovo may be stupid, but not totally dumb :)
(icj1, 7 December 2011 03:36)”

At this current point, I don’t think it really matters what the Albanians think. The way I see it, what matters first and foremost is whether the major EU members are willing to reconsider their stance and offer something more palatable to Serbia. And after that it shall depend on whether the Serbians decide to take the bait. By the way, why do you say that K-Albanians may be stupid?

Why should Serbia becoming a member give Albanians a headache?
(lowe, 4 December 2011 08:23)

Because it will try to veto EU actions in Kosovo (like Eulex, future Kosovo membership negotiations, visa-free travel to the EU of Kosovo citizens, etc., etc...). For Albanians it better having Serbia outside the EU, at least until Kosovo joins.

I don't think that Kosovo can do anything to delay Serbia's EU membership, but Serbia has enough self-destructive energies to achive the same. Hopefully somobody like Vuk or Vojislav is elected the next Serbia's president and Kosovo is good for another couple of decades.

But I thought once the Lisbon treaty comes into effect, no one EU member can veto a newbie’s entry anymore?
(lowe, 5 December 2011 13:52)

You thought bad :)
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And I do not think it is necessarily true that Kosovo is better off with Serbia outside the EU and kept a long way from joining -- assuming, of course, that Kosovo is also interested in joining and wants to deal with a friendlier Belgrade. The major EU members (Germany, UK, France) support Pristina’s independence from Serbia. If they were to make it easier for Serbia to make rapid progress in her EU membership drive while clearly specifying that Serbia must come to an agreement with Kosovo before the actual entry itself, then I think the Serbians will have more motivation to aspire to EU membership – they might then even be eager to make the concessions that the West sought if they have already make it to the doorsteps and the only condition left is an agreement with Pristina.
(lowe, 5 December 2011 13:52)

Those things don’t matter. Serbia’s Constitution is clear. So all those concessions would be illegal and without any value under Serbian law. Albanians in Kosovo may be stupid, but not totally dumb :)
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My personal opinion however is that it is not in Serbia’s interest to join the EU and be under the thumb of London, Paris and Berlin in all but name. She should aim instead for whatever beneficial economic ties that she can get from the EU iand get as much as she can in economic aid and trade from it.
(lowe, 5 December 2011 13:52)

Of course I agree with that and that is probably one of the few things that Albanian and Serbs have the same view about.

Germany and Austria? They should be paying us reparations of 1 Trillion euros for murdering our bravest men and our women and children in the World wars and 90s. And Britain too for betraying Draza in wwii and making us wait and starve on Corfu in wwi. We lost close to half our male population because of these countries and now they dont want us like we did something wrong?!

Isn't it a bizarre and contradictory that Germany on the one hand recognized the 'independent Kosovo' and on the other hands blames Serbia for violence in Northern Kosovo against KFOR committed by Kosovo citizens?

If Britain and Germany oppose candidacy then I think we know what the decision will be on Monday. Good, I hope Serbia never recieves candidacy.
(SPC UK, 3 December 2011 13:54)

I'm sure Albanians hope the same so they don't have to deal with headaches like Serbia becoming an EU member.

This is probably one of the few things that Serbs and Albanians agree (assuming, of course, that the majority of all Serbs - not just the Kosovo ones - don't want Serbia to become an EU member).

Yet more endless PR BS.

It's obvious that Germany is unable to shed it's historical animosity towards Serbia, and is using the situation at the border crossings as an excuse to exert greater pressure. Why for instance was the Teutonic contingent of KFOR deployed to confront the local populace in the first place, knowing full well the situation could escalate into violence. French or Irish troops should have been deployed instead. But no, let's send the Germans and Austrians. That was bound to be percieved by the Serbs as purposely provocative. Luckily the French and others are fully aware of the dangerous game the Germans and the US (who are behind most anti-Serb actions) are playing. Serbia is too important a player for stability in the Western Balkans to be permanently excluded due to German and British prejudice. The French and others understand this. Kosovo is irrelevant. And besides if Serbia is rejected, Kosovo can forget it too. Maybe the Albanians should think about that before picking a fight with the Kosovo Serbs.

If Britain and Germany oppose candidacy then I think we know what the decision will be on Monday. Good, I hope Serbia never recieves candidacy.

Very dangeroues not giving a candidate status to serbia.
This does not mean becoming a member.
Look at turkey they are candidate for 20 years already.
The problem is that some countries did not get kosovo independant after NATO mombing.
Thesecountries thought Kosovo was just another republique with defined borders. They never took time to see that kosovo is serbia.

This is what I think will happen -- the EU will not grant Serbia candidate status next week, but will couch it in diplomatically polite language -- such as declaring that the decision has been "postponed". And wither Tadic's propects for re-election?

I don't understand why albo trolls are so happy Serbia didn't get candidate status because that's the only way they will get in the eu ...Hahaha

Why should Serbia becoming a member give Albanians a headache?
(lowe, 4 December 2011 08:23)

Because it will try to veto EU actions in Kosovo (like Eulex, future Kosovo membership negotiations, visa-free travel to the EU of Kosovo citizens, etc., etc...). For Albanians it better having Serbia outside the EU, at least until Kosovo joins.

I don't think that Kosovo can do anything to delay Serbia's EU membership, but Serbia has enough self-destructive energies to achive the same. Hopefully somobody like Vuk or Vojislav is elected the next Serbia's president and Kosovo is good for another couple of decades.

I don't understand why albo trolls are so happy Serbia didn't get candidate status because that's the only way they will get in the eu ...Hahaha
(grobar1, 3 December 2011 18:05)

Albo trolls are famous for their strong backbone. I just hope, they won't apply for Russian citizenship and paint Orthodox crosses in their bedroom... because everyone they side with becomes a loser. This is the fate of Albanians, I guess.

PEN is absolutely right. Clearly, German historical animosity is still alive and well against Serbia. Thus, if the EU doesn't want us, then we move on. As far as Kosovo is concerned, UNSC 1244 keeps Kosovo as an autonomous province of Serbia, and it will never become a UN member or EU member for that matter. So that's not the issue. The real issue is this nonsensical idea that there is no alternative to the EU. The last time I checked, the planet Earth is really big: we are supported by the BRIC nations as well as the NAM nations in our political/economic relations. Add to that the Customs Union of Central Asia, which is supportive and extremely energy rich. Under those circumstances, Serbia, which is a nation of only about seven million people (much less than New York City) will do quite fine. When the top dog in the EU, Germany, despises you anyway and will treat us like a WC cleaner in a hotel, why get on your knees and beg like a child to join it? The future of global economic growth and ultra development is Asia: just ask the Americans, they certainly know that reality well.

It's obvious that Germany is unable to shed it's historical animosity towards Serbia, and is using the situation at the border crossings as an excuse to exert greater pressure. Why for instance was the Teutonic contingent of KFOR deployed to confront the local populace in the first place, knowing full well the situation could escalate into violence. French or Irish troops should have been deployed instead. But no, let's send the Germans and Austrians. That was bound to be percieved by the Serbs as purposely provocative. Luckily the French and others are fully aware of the dangerous game the Germans and the US (who are behind most anti-Serb actions) are playing. Serbia is too important a player for stability in the Western Balkans to be permanently excluded due to German and British prejudice.
(PEN, 3 December 2011 13:40)

We always did beat Germans and will always beat Germans. Not a single conflict did Germans won against us - that's their fate. As for Americans... they will have their Saigon in Mitrovica, just question of the time.

http://www.sovmusic.ru/m/pesnyama.mp3

Merkel's place in a certain hotspot is reserved. She was a STASI meanie and remained who she is. I ensure you, every honest German loathes her, in particular ones in ex-DDR. She is a shame of DDR, shame of Germany. No backbone, only bicicle and tongue: pedal everyone underneath, lick everyone above. She was a good FDJ girl, knows the procedure.

“Because it will try to veto EU actions in Kosovo (like Eulex, future Kosovo membership negotiations, visa-free travel to the EU of Kosovo citizens, etc., etc...). For Albanians it better having Serbia outside the EU, at least until Kosovo joins.

I don't think that Kosovo can do anything to delay Serbia's EU membership, but Serbia has enough self-destructive energies to achive the same. Hopefully somobody like Vuk or Vojislav is elected the next Serbia's president and Kosovo is good for another couple of decades.
(icj1, 4 December 2011 15:49)”

But I thought once the Lisbon treaty comes into effect, no one EU member can veto a newbie’s entry anymore?

And I do not think it is necessarily true that Kosovo is better off with Serbia outside the EU and kept a long way from joining -- assuming, of course, that Kosovo is also interested in joining and wants to deal with a friendlier Belgrade. The major EU members (Germany, UK, France) support Pristina’s independence from Serbia. If they were to make it easier for Serbia to make rapid progress in her EU membership drive while clearly specifying that Serbia must come to an agreement with Kosovo before the actual entry itself, then I think the Serbians will have more motivation to aspire to EU membership – they might then even be eager to make the concessions that the West sought if they have already make it to the doorsteps and the only condition left is an agreement with Pristina.

The biggest hold that the EU has on Tadic's government now is the latter's eagerness for Serbia to enter the EU. It would therefore be stupidity for the EU to douse this eagerness if it really wants to have Serbia as a member.

On the other hand, with the likes of Germany right now making what Serbia would see as extremely harsh conditions for EU entry even before she has a chance to get on to the starting block, the Serbians might just decide that the long, long race is simply too tedious to begin and not even worth trying. And the Serbians might just, as you stated, elect a government that the West would prefer not to deal with and one which would be more hostile towards Kosovo.

My personal opinion however is that it is not in Serbia’s interest to join the EU and be under the thumb of London, Paris and Berlin in all but name. She should aim instead for whatever beneficial economic ties that she can get from the EU iand get as much as she can in economic aid and trade from it.

"I'm sure Albanians hope the same so they don't have to deal with headaches like Serbia becoming an EU member.

(icj1, 3 December 2011 16:02) "

Why should Serbia becoming a member give Albanians a headache?

But I thought once the Lisbon treaty comes into effect, no one EU member can veto a newbie’s entry anymore?
(lowe, 5 December 2011 13:52)

You thought bad :)
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And I do not think it is necessarily true that Kosovo is better off with Serbia outside the EU and kept a long way from joining -- assuming, of course, that Kosovo is also interested in joining and wants to deal with a friendlier Belgrade. The major EU members (Germany, UK, France) support Pristina’s independence from Serbia. If they were to make it easier for Serbia to make rapid progress in her EU membership drive while clearly specifying that Serbia must come to an agreement with Kosovo before the actual entry itself, then I think the Serbians will have more motivation to aspire to EU membership – they might then even be eager to make the concessions that the West sought if they have already make it to the doorsteps and the only condition left is an agreement with Pristina.
(lowe, 5 December 2011 13:52)

Those things don’t matter. Serbia’s Constitution is clear. So all those concessions would be illegal and without any value under Serbian law. Albanians in Kosovo may be stupid, but not totally dumb :)
----------

My personal opinion however is that it is not in Serbia’s interest to join the EU and be under the thumb of London, Paris and Berlin in all but name. She should aim instead for whatever beneficial economic ties that she can get from the EU iand get as much as she can in economic aid and trade from it.
(lowe, 5 December 2011 13:52)

Of course I agree with that and that is probably one of the few things that Albanian and Serbs have the same view about.

“You thought bad :) “

What do you mean?


“Those things don’t matter. Serbia’s Constitution is clear. So all those concessions would be illegal and without any value under Serbian law. Albanians in Kosovo may be stupid, but not totally dumb :)
(icj1, 7 December 2011 03:36)”

At this current point, I don’t think it really matters what the Albanians think. The way I see it, what matters first and foremost is whether the major EU members are willing to reconsider their stance and offer something more palatable to Serbia. And after that it shall depend on whether the Serbians decide to take the bait. By the way, why do you say that K-Albanians may be stupid?