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Saturday, 03.12.2011.

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KFOR commander: We won't tolerate violence

KFOR Commander Erhard Drews has stated that troops under his command will in the future respond in kind to violence against them.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

KFOR is there not to provide security to Albanians so if they get hurt well too bad. Stay neutral like 1224 asks and no one gets hurt, but there are more players in this game.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

I tried to find the “stay neutral” for KFOR in the English version of 1244, but did not find it. So, I also checked the Arabic, Chinese, French and Russian version and, unfortunately, failed to find it again. Is there any other version we should check ?
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If you think that a group of Serbs have managed to do this on their own then you are deluded.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Why not ? We know that Serbs are heroic people !
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There are more powerful interests here that will not allow Kosovo to become independent no matter if the entire world recognizes it.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Are those interests from aliens from another planet or galaxy ?
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They want to maintain the status quo as it will keep the pressure cooker build up steam. The US and Thaci needs diversions, but if they are not succeeding and the pressure is building.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

So, if the entire world recognizes Kosovo, there are still aliens who want to do what you are saying. That’s great, you have finally discovered that there is life in the universe in addition to Earth. This is earth-shattering news, probably the greatest discovery of science ever.
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These latest talks and agreements between Belgrade and Pristina are about to be thrown to the rubbish bins of history as the local Serbs voted that they will not accept them.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Absolutely; Kosovo (K. Serbs included) is independent from Serbia. They don’t take order from Serbia.
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Status Quo, stagnation continues.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Of course; as long as resolution 1244 is in force, Kosovo UDI is in accordance with 1244 and that status quo continues.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 4 December 2011 14:26)

Unfortunately who ever edited my posting in B92 made a dog’s breakfast t of it. OK I’m “staff” – does that satisfy you?
My apologies to “staff” who wever you are because this Albanian thinks we are the same people.
I have very little patience with idiotic statements and after 3 years on this site I have read many that come into that category.
No I did not say “as an American I have info and as a Serb you have none” – this is bad editing on B92’s part. Americans are kept in the dark and fed on BS and told that there is nothing beyond San Francisco Bay. I’m amazed they even know where Europe is located. And this is not just my opinion as even expat Americans have said the same many times. Some even refused to return home because they could see it was going down hill with no hope of saving it – not my words, but theirs.
As far as KFOR is concerned, they are full of p*** and wind because they have achieved nothing. They made an attempt and got nowhere. If they started to use live ammunition then it gives the other side the licence to do the same and the situation escalates. That is the reality of the situation.
I was surprised KFOR and NATO took action, but you only had to see Tadic and realize he agreed to it. No finalization no EU bonus. Tadci is desperate to get EU candidate staus, but what does that mean when the EU is falling apart is anyone’s guess.
KFOR is there not to provide security to Albanians so if they get hurt well too bad. Stay neutral like 1224 asks and no one gets hurt, but there are more players in this game. If you think that a group of Serbs have managed to do this on their own then you are deluded.
There are more powerful interests here that will not allow Kosovo to become independent no matter if the entire world recognizes it. They want to maintain the status quo as it will keep the pressure cooker build up steam. The US and Thaci needs diversions, but if they are not succeeding and the pressure is building.
These latest talks and agreements between Belgrade and Pristina are about to be thrown to the rubbish bins of history as the local Serbs voted that they will not accept them.
Status Quo, stagnation continues.


You are aware that there is a "slight" difference between a rubber bullet and a real one? So if KFOR starts now using live ammunition it would only be fair, wouldn't it?
(pro-me, 4 December 2011 13:11)
Yes I know the difference between live ammunition and rubber bullets. South East Asian countries regularly use both on their people.
If KFOR feels the need to use live rounds they can, no one there can stop them, but the consequences are going to be horrible to say the least.

pss

pre 12 godina

(sj, 4 December 2011 06:54)
Funny "staff"s info came from an Autrian too.
Your attempts to insult me are wasted bud, but that seems to be a Serbian trait when unable to make a valid argument then try to belittle the opposition.
Buying a newspaper is a waste of money in this age except for coupon clippers.
But if I am not mistaken have you not for weeks been criticizing the Kfor troops because they were not going to do anything I think your quote was P***ing in the wind.
Once they do something you criticze them for using "strong arm tactics"
I am confused by your statement that you have found that only American expats have information and not Serbs.
Are you saying as an American I have info and as a Serb you have none, cause I would definitely agree to that.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

KFOR members in Kosovo recognized that the idea of creating a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo was just an illusion - only politicians still believe in this idea. Must be hard to realize that you cannot impose even good ideas on people which don't have the same European democratic background, but still live in archaic clan structures like the Kosovo Albanians.
(Analyst, 3 December 2011 23:34)

Any proof except for "exKFOR"s confusing statements?

pro-me

pre 12 godina

I saw a similar report where Serbs were shot so it just spin on both sides. It was obvious that KFOR did use rubber bullets on the Serbs so if the Serbs used the same well that’s fair.
(sj, 4 December 2011 06:54)

You are aware that there is a "slight" difference between a rubber bullet and a real one? So if KFOR starts now using live ammunition it would only be fair, wouldn't it?

sj

pre 12 godina

(pro-me, 3 December 2011 13:22)

Firstly the vast majority were unarmed while some did have pieces of wood, iron etc, but I don’t see how that can be compared to the equipment KFOR was using such as armed carriers water cannon riot equipment and so on.
On the issue of media talking about 2 soldiers being shot; I saw a similar report where Serbs were shot so it just spin on both sides. It was obvious that KFOR did use rubber bullets on the Serbs so if the Serbs used the same well that’s fair.

(pss, 3 December 2011 15:02)

Here he is, old faithful, as I said before I had a dog like this guy which just kept on chancing its tail. He thinks that if he does not have the information then it’s not true.
I have used SJ from day one and never any other pseudonym so what “staff” are you talking about?
The information came from a friend who works in Austria and this Kosovo business was discussed on one of their radio stations with callers talking about it. Two stated that they had relatives in KFOR in Northern Kosovo and they were told by those relatives of what I posted. They are not happy because they see it’s a one sided situation- one said that “the Albanians can do anything abd KFOR looks the other way”
I have internet in my house and that is how I was told about it. Maybe you are waiting for electricity to be connected to yours.
It funny that the only people I know that have some level of information are all expat Americans, not Serbs.

“As far as your inside info on the economics in the world, everything you say that is accurate appears in every news source world wide, everything that you list that is "new" is either non validated or simply not true.”

Go and buy a newspaper and read about the world economic situation.
I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians."

KFOR members in Kosovo recognized that the idea of creating a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo was just an illusion - only politicians still believe in this idea. Must be hard to realize that you cannot impose even good ideas on people which don't have the same European democratic background, but still live in archaic clan structures like the Kosovo Albanians.

to pro-me from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

Hey Albanian,

my ex UN fellow understands that you have no rights over Serb KiM, but he earns his money and has to follow his pro-Muslim government orders. regarding wounded troops - well that he understands too but once there he would defend his co-servicemen - no doubt, but those are the circumstances - and in fact it is a product of the Kosovo Albanian nationalism. But that should not surprise anyone that you are afraid of fighting Serbs and therefore ask others, or if you by chance have nobody to do it for you, then you would knowingly use human shields in order to play "victims".

a New Day

pre 12 godina

It means that Serbian border police and officials will now be manning the administrative border between Serbia and Kosmet as well as its international borders with Crna Gora, Macedonia and Albania with the Pristina people there as observers. As far as I can read it, thats what Resolution 1244 says.
(Niall O'Doherty, 3 December 2011 18:48)
I tried several times to write a response to your comment but I am sorry it is just to ludicrous for a level headed response.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

"My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians."

The Austrian KFOR-members are for sure busy with something else, since one of them was shot at by K-Serbs and had to be flown to Austria for medical treatment. But for sure your "fellow Austrian" has told you about this.

Milan

pre 12 godina

Willi Pfaff,

Have you Germans and your Austrian cousins not caused enough trouble for and suffering to Serbia and the Serbs during the past 100+ years? Or do you think that was good because Serbs are just "Untermenschen" so it does not matter? If you came to this site with some humility and respect I would probably take you seriously. However, your biassed views based on your lifestyle, among other things, makes you just as credible as the flood of Albanian computer warrior trolls that have infected this site with their usual BS.

to ben from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

"Gen Drews should give and adequate answer what is KFOR doing to prevent Breiviks joining KFOR??? Their psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is not an acceptable answer."
Firstly, there are no Breiviks in KFOR but average europeans- mostly brain-washed by Muslim multiculti stuff...or just afraid to speak out the truth - exactly like it was in the Soviet Union...
secondly - KiM Albos psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is definately not an acceptable to any self-respecting European - stop stealing others property, stop ethnical cleansing of Serbs and Romas

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs. "
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

That's normal, why should they be keen of it? Everyone prefers a peaceful solution, but it's indeed one of the tasks of KFOR to ensure freedom of movement. Of course KFOR knows how it all started and what the reason have been for the barricades to be erected. Have a month ago, there have been even plans to reduce KFOR troops because the situation was improving. Nowadays, after Thaci violent unilateral moves, nobody talks about that any more and KFOR even had to upgrade the troops.

icj1

pre 12 godina

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every word of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan for Kosovo that the United Nations Security Council Unanimously Voted for.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

There is no such a thing voted by the UNSC. The only thing that was voted was Resolution 1244 which, I remind you, it still in force.
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The United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

No, there is no such a prohibition, nowhere. Do you have any reference where you read it, or it was just in your dreams ?
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Obviously, there are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

What law ? Who approved this Law ? Can you give us a reference to the text of the Law ? Remember that the Laws operating in Kosovo are the Resolution 1244, UNMIK Regulations and any Law by Kosovo’s institutions in accordance with Resolution 1244.
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Serbia Must Demand, Yes, Demand Loudly and Clearly at the United Nations, and by writing to all World Governments, on these Matters of there being Only One Law for Everyone.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

There is already only one Law for everyone. There is no need for Serbia to demand anything.
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This means that Must be and it is Unambiguous, Unequivocal, and having Only One Possible Meaning or Interpretation; that Everyone, including the Serbs Must have Full Equality Before The Law!
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

Of course, that’s already happening. Actually Serbs in Kosovo have even more equality before the Law than the Albanians if we consider that Serbs, even though a minority in Kosovo, have the right to veto changes to Kosovo’s Constitution.
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This means that Others Must Obey the Law, including the German Fourth Reich and Hitler’s Descendants who are now NATO Mercenaries.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

That’s what they are already doing; implementing the freedom of movement as mandated by Resolution 1244 and helping with the implementation of UNMIK Regulation no 3 of 1999 which mandates the collection of customs taxes for goods destined to Kosovo.
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That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

You can repeat it as many time as you want, but that does not make it the Law until you show us the text of the Law which prohibits the above approved by UNSC, UNMIK or Kosovo’s institutions acting in accordance with Resolution 1244. I know that you strongly wish that such a Law existed, but your mere wish, regardless of how strong it is, is not sufficient to make that Law come into existence.

icj1

pre 12 godina

KFOR started all of this using strong arm tactics and now have the gall of crying about violence. Let me say that this commander is talking utter crap as he is not allowed to go beyond his mandate otherwise the conflict widens.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Absolutely, KFOR will not be allowed to go beyond its mandate of ensuring freedom of movement and supporting the implementation of UNMIK Regulation no 3 of 1999 which mandates the collection of customs taxes for goods destined to Kosovo.
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KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

I don’t think pride recovery is part of KFOR’s mandate under Resolution 1244, so if KFOR did it, I agree that would be beyond KFOR’s mandate :)
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I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Were those Malaysian troops ?

pss

pre 12 godina

I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)
My guess is you read this yesterday revealed by "staff". Of course it is still questionable as if he is also your pseudonym as he receives most of his information through top secret meetings that the rest of the world is not privy to such as yourself. He also maintains the same successful prediction rate, somewhere around 0.
As far as your inside info on the economics in the world, everything you say that is accurate appears in every news source world wide, everything that you list that is "new" is either non validated or simply not true.

ben

pre 12 godina

(to Willi Plaff from exKFOR, 3 December 2011 13:53)

Gen Drews should give and adequate answer what is KFOR doing to prevent Breiviks joining KFOR??? Their psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is not an acceptable answer.

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

"He said that KFOR would respond with the same means to those who used force in a case of escalation of violence such as the one at the village in Jagnjenica last Monday."

'Respond with same means'? Then KFOR has to upgrade its weapon arsenal with stones, Molotov cocktails and firework equipment instead of using pepper spray, water cannons and rubber bullets against attackers.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)
Did someone write your post for you and you just keep copying it over and over.
Other than the major inaccuracies in your post.
1. The 6 point plan was never intended to be a "LAW" it was a plan.
2. Was never adopted by anyone anywhere. It was submitted in a report and the UNSC never undertook any action on it, other than to say they "welcomed" the report which also included that the Pristina authorities rejected it.
3.No mention of it was included in the Presidential statement welcoming Eulex.
4. Eulex rejected it prior to assuming control, has never included it in any of its operational plans.
5. Has not been mentioned by anyone other than Serbs since nor is listed in any legal or binding documents.
6. Does not include any statements banning Albanians from the crossings. Does say that internationals will return to the checkpoints to reopen them immediately (after being burned down by "peaceful" Serb protesters.
7. You seem to omit the first part of the section on customs which is "35. Kosovo will continue to function as a single customs area."

It is obvious from your posting(s) that you too have become a legend in your own mind.

Asdren

pre 12 godina

KFOR should uindeed respond in kind. Ones natural instinct for survival will take hold in any hostile situation. They owe a responsibilty to themselves more than anyone else.

Darko

pre 12 godina

KFOR and Nato are very successful from the air.
On the ground they are still to prove themselves...
I truly advise them to try that in another Country and get some real practise on the solid ground before they do that,I know the fact cos I watched many old Serbian war movies,yes we have "Mirko" and "Slavko" war heros,while they
have Tom Hanks and Rambo.

But then again,they may be still good enough to beat up few civilians
What are they doing there in middle of the conflict by supporting one side.
Is this is gonna be Lybia scenario again,they will supply air power and let Albanians attack us and take over the Kosovo.
They should stick to their neutral position and wait for the compromise
and negotiations to be made.

They are looking for some incidents so they can blame Srbs and have reason to take over the land.
First they told ROSU to take Serbians crossings and pull out to cause havoc,wich Srbs did respond.
Then they used that as excuse to negotiate with Srbs to take over Srbian crossings so they can protect them "better".

Then they started to bring Albanian Custom officers,or to take over the Country if you like,as another calculated provocation.
Then Scrbs responded with baricades,now finnally they want few "beaten up soldiers,so they sent the most hated soldiers in the History of the World,Germans and Austraians,and of coarse naive Srbs responded again,understandingly(imagine if they sent those soldiers to Russia,how many would be hurt!?)

So what really happened was the storyline in newspaper innthe WEST NATO Soldiers got shot at by SRBS,we dont hear stories here in the West 100-150 Serbian civilians was hurt by NATO in their own Country for being naughty cos they live in that Country and want to continue doing that.
Now they can justify use of force and start another war,again calculated well,of coarse they will get one in Balkans.

So bottom line is that there is no point negotiating when PSyCHOPATHS do not want facts and the truth and solutions and peace.

Serbia is waisting time in pleasing Europian nations for no good reason and from once respected freedom fighters land turning into a land of "cheap slaves"

Before we show them the teeth we wont get any advancment in neotiations neither respect.12 yrs gone,exactly what they needed it ,to train Albanian Army,build bases,get the info,and most importantly to wait for our ex veterans
100 of thousends to age,that was real threat,to try our high rank officers and Generals,to make us applogise publicly to everyone,to humiliate our heros,presidents,police,military...

"Now they say you are not doing enough to be with us together"

Now KFOR is going to shoot at our nationals and we are going to watch that on TV and bag Europe to takes us in.

At least 1941 we didnt beg to be part occupator,we told them to "shove it up his a***"

Yes we may be struggling economiclly so does is the Cuba,however Westerners love Cuba,cos it has lots to offer,dance,music,warmth,great atmosfere...

We have a lot going for not to be traded for few stuck up corporate suits,arrogant politics and cold smerks.

EU PLEASE DO NOT LET US IN , YOU ARE RIGHT,WE ARE DIFFERENT!

pro-me

pre 12 godina

KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Do you really think if you repeat the "unarmed Serbs" lie often enough it will turn true? The world media is full of reports about the two soldiers that have been shot at and wounded by your "unarmed Serbs".

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

KFOR for the German commander of KFOR Erhard Drews, and to the German Population stands for Killing For Our Reich, that Must include a Greater Albania just like Hitler wanted.

Yes, the right for Serbia’s President Boris Tadic to do it is to admit what we Many of us already know to be True, and that is that Angela Merkel Bribed Serbian President Boris Tadic with Many Millions of Euros to be a Traitor.

Serbia will then Conduct a Long Court Process that will become known Worldwide, and after the World has been Totally Saturated with this Matter, Boris Tadic should be Pardoned, if he shows enough Remorse for having been inadvertently led astray by the Fourth German Reich.

Many of us have Suspected that the Fourth German Reich was Bribing European Politicians, while Some of us have known this Fact for a Long Time that the Fourth German Reich Bribes Many European Politicians.

If Honest People with Honest Motives want to show Respect for the Law, then they have a Duty to Obey it Themselves.

Furthermore, they Must do Everything in their Power to help others like the Kosovo Albanians have Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every word of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan for Kosovo that the United Nations Security Council Unanimously Voted for.

The United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

Obviously, there are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law.

Serbia Must Demand, Yes, Demand Loudly and Clearly at the United Nations, and by writing to all World Governments, on these Matters of there being Only One Law for Everyone.

This means that Must be and it is Unambiguous, Unequivocal, and having Only One Possible Meaning or Interpretation; that Everyone, including the Serbs Must have Full Equality Before The Law!

This means that Others Must Obey the Law, including the German Fourth Reich and Hitler’s Descendants who are now NATO Mercenaries.

The German commander of KFOR Commander Erhard Drews, knows how the Albanians Lies of blaming the Victim worked for the Albanians, and now he is trying to use it on Peaceful Serbs who have a right to have the Law respected and Obeyed by Everyone.

That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

to Willi Plaff from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

pls stop driveling this slogan about Serbs being sth extraordinary agressive or undemocratic - Albanians have always been more agressive, intolerant, supremacy-driven and extreme self-complacent society - look how many minorities live in Serbian proper, and tell me why have Romas not returned to Roma Mahalla in Kos-Mitro, even Muslim-loving Croats are running away from their best friends in KiM. My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians. For them they are just ordinary uneducated religious bigots - no matter if they pray for Allah or money...

grobar1

pre 12 godina

Sounds like KFOR know Serbs have nothing to lose if we stay out of the EU. KFOR got whooped badly last time and they will again. Better for them to go to their respective country of origin and subdue their ghetto Muslim population than fight on Muslim behalf on Serb lands. We dont accept you Islamization and liberalism, as its ruining a Europe still barely coasting on the success of its fading conservatism and homogeneity.

Asdren

pre 12 godina

"That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints."

Where on Earth would it be written in a UN document that no Kosovar Albanain can man the checkpoints? That would be outright racism. Seriously, use your logic and common sense if you have one

ROLANDI

pre 12 godina

they have no choice ther govermant sold them out don't call border line but crossing line what a diference is this thanks tadic see you in europe

sj

pre 12 godina

KFOR started all of this using strong arm tactics and now have the gall of crying about violence. Let me say that this commander is talking utter crap as he is not allowed to go beyond his mandate otherwise the conflict widens.
KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.

Willi Pfaff

pre 12 godina

It shows the current state of the Serbian society. You still have to lean a lot and a positive change of the way Serbian people think should come from within them, out of a democratic conviction, and not from outside pressure. I can only fell you, take a close and realistic look at your own recent past, understand that what happened in the name of Serbia in Kosovo and the rest of the Balkan was wrong, was ineccetabe, actually inexcusable, and leave those nationalistic behavior behind u. It will get u nowhere.

Darko

pre 12 godina

KFOR and Nato are very successful from the air.
On the ground they are still to prove themselves...
I truly advise them to try that in another Country and get some real practise on the solid ground before they do that,I know the fact cos I watched many old Serbian war movies,yes we have "Mirko" and "Slavko" war heros,while they
have Tom Hanks and Rambo.

But then again,they may be still good enough to beat up few civilians
What are they doing there in middle of the conflict by supporting one side.
Is this is gonna be Lybia scenario again,they will supply air power and let Albanians attack us and take over the Kosovo.
They should stick to their neutral position and wait for the compromise
and negotiations to be made.

They are looking for some incidents so they can blame Srbs and have reason to take over the land.
First they told ROSU to take Serbians crossings and pull out to cause havoc,wich Srbs did respond.
Then they used that as excuse to negotiate with Srbs to take over Srbian crossings so they can protect them "better".

Then they started to bring Albanian Custom officers,or to take over the Country if you like,as another calculated provocation.
Then Scrbs responded with baricades,now finnally they want few "beaten up soldiers,so they sent the most hated soldiers in the History of the World,Germans and Austraians,and of coarse naive Srbs responded again,understandingly(imagine if they sent those soldiers to Russia,how many would be hurt!?)

So what really happened was the storyline in newspaper innthe WEST NATO Soldiers got shot at by SRBS,we dont hear stories here in the West 100-150 Serbian civilians was hurt by NATO in their own Country for being naughty cos they live in that Country and want to continue doing that.
Now they can justify use of force and start another war,again calculated well,of coarse they will get one in Balkans.

So bottom line is that there is no point negotiating when PSyCHOPATHS do not want facts and the truth and solutions and peace.

Serbia is waisting time in pleasing Europian nations for no good reason and from once respected freedom fighters land turning into a land of "cheap slaves"

Before we show them the teeth we wont get any advancment in neotiations neither respect.12 yrs gone,exactly what they needed it ,to train Albanian Army,build bases,get the info,and most importantly to wait for our ex veterans
100 of thousends to age,that was real threat,to try our high rank officers and Generals,to make us applogise publicly to everyone,to humiliate our heros,presidents,police,military...

"Now they say you are not doing enough to be with us together"

Now KFOR is going to shoot at our nationals and we are going to watch that on TV and bag Europe to takes us in.

At least 1941 we didnt beg to be part occupator,we told them to "shove it up his a***"

Yes we may be struggling economiclly so does is the Cuba,however Westerners love Cuba,cos it has lots to offer,dance,music,warmth,great atmosfere...

We have a lot going for not to be traded for few stuck up corporate suits,arrogant politics and cold smerks.

EU PLEASE DO NOT LET US IN , YOU ARE RIGHT,WE ARE DIFFERENT!

pro-me

pre 12 godina

KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Do you really think if you repeat the "unarmed Serbs" lie often enough it will turn true? The world media is full of reports about the two soldiers that have been shot at and wounded by your "unarmed Serbs".

sj

pre 12 godina

KFOR started all of this using strong arm tactics and now have the gall of crying about violence. Let me say that this commander is talking utter crap as he is not allowed to go beyond his mandate otherwise the conflict widens.
KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.

grobar1

pre 12 godina

Sounds like KFOR know Serbs have nothing to lose if we stay out of the EU. KFOR got whooped badly last time and they will again. Better for them to go to their respective country of origin and subdue their ghetto Muslim population than fight on Muslim behalf on Serb lands. We dont accept you Islamization and liberalism, as its ruining a Europe still barely coasting on the success of its fading conservatism and homogeneity.

to Willi Plaff from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

pls stop driveling this slogan about Serbs being sth extraordinary agressive or undemocratic - Albanians have always been more agressive, intolerant, supremacy-driven and extreme self-complacent society - look how many minorities live in Serbian proper, and tell me why have Romas not returned to Roma Mahalla in Kos-Mitro, even Muslim-loving Croats are running away from their best friends in KiM. My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians. For them they are just ordinary uneducated religious bigots - no matter if they pray for Allah or money...

Willi Pfaff

pre 12 godina

It shows the current state of the Serbian society. You still have to lean a lot and a positive change of the way Serbian people think should come from within them, out of a democratic conviction, and not from outside pressure. I can only fell you, take a close and realistic look at your own recent past, understand that what happened in the name of Serbia in Kosovo and the rest of the Balkan was wrong, was ineccetabe, actually inexcusable, and leave those nationalistic behavior behind u. It will get u nowhere.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs. "
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

That's normal, why should they be keen of it? Everyone prefers a peaceful solution, but it's indeed one of the tasks of KFOR to ensure freedom of movement. Of course KFOR knows how it all started and what the reason have been for the barricades to be erected. Have a month ago, there have been even plans to reduce KFOR troops because the situation was improving. Nowadays, after Thaci violent unilateral moves, nobody talks about that any more and KFOR even had to upgrade the troops.

to ben from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

"Gen Drews should give and adequate answer what is KFOR doing to prevent Breiviks joining KFOR??? Their psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is not an acceptable answer."
Firstly, there are no Breiviks in KFOR but average europeans- mostly brain-washed by Muslim multiculti stuff...or just afraid to speak out the truth - exactly like it was in the Soviet Union...
secondly - KiM Albos psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is definately not an acceptable to any self-respecting European - stop stealing others property, stop ethnical cleansing of Serbs and Romas

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

KFOR for the German commander of KFOR Erhard Drews, and to the German Population stands for Killing For Our Reich, that Must include a Greater Albania just like Hitler wanted.

Yes, the right for Serbia’s President Boris Tadic to do it is to admit what we Many of us already know to be True, and that is that Angela Merkel Bribed Serbian President Boris Tadic with Many Millions of Euros to be a Traitor.

Serbia will then Conduct a Long Court Process that will become known Worldwide, and after the World has been Totally Saturated with this Matter, Boris Tadic should be Pardoned, if he shows enough Remorse for having been inadvertently led astray by the Fourth German Reich.

Many of us have Suspected that the Fourth German Reich was Bribing European Politicians, while Some of us have known this Fact for a Long Time that the Fourth German Reich Bribes Many European Politicians.

If Honest People with Honest Motives want to show Respect for the Law, then they have a Duty to Obey it Themselves.

Furthermore, they Must do Everything in their Power to help others like the Kosovo Albanians have Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every word of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan for Kosovo that the United Nations Security Council Unanimously Voted for.

The United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

Obviously, there are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law.

Serbia Must Demand, Yes, Demand Loudly and Clearly at the United Nations, and by writing to all World Governments, on these Matters of there being Only One Law for Everyone.

This means that Must be and it is Unambiguous, Unequivocal, and having Only One Possible Meaning or Interpretation; that Everyone, including the Serbs Must have Full Equality Before The Law!

This means that Others Must Obey the Law, including the German Fourth Reich and Hitler’s Descendants who are now NATO Mercenaries.

The German commander of KFOR Commander Erhard Drews, knows how the Albanians Lies of blaming the Victim worked for the Albanians, and now he is trying to use it on Peaceful Serbs who have a right to have the Law respected and Obeyed by Everyone.

That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

"He said that KFOR would respond with the same means to those who used force in a case of escalation of violence such as the one at the village in Jagnjenica last Monday."

'Respond with same means'? Then KFOR has to upgrade its weapon arsenal with stones, Molotov cocktails and firework equipment instead of using pepper spray, water cannons and rubber bullets against attackers.

ROLANDI

pre 12 godina

they have no choice ther govermant sold them out don't call border line but crossing line what a diference is this thanks tadic see you in europe

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)
Did someone write your post for you and you just keep copying it over and over.
Other than the major inaccuracies in your post.
1. The 6 point plan was never intended to be a "LAW" it was a plan.
2. Was never adopted by anyone anywhere. It was submitted in a report and the UNSC never undertook any action on it, other than to say they "welcomed" the report which also included that the Pristina authorities rejected it.
3.No mention of it was included in the Presidential statement welcoming Eulex.
4. Eulex rejected it prior to assuming control, has never included it in any of its operational plans.
5. Has not been mentioned by anyone other than Serbs since nor is listed in any legal or binding documents.
6. Does not include any statements banning Albanians from the crossings. Does say that internationals will return to the checkpoints to reopen them immediately (after being burned down by "peaceful" Serb protesters.
7. You seem to omit the first part of the section on customs which is "35. Kosovo will continue to function as a single customs area."

It is obvious from your posting(s) that you too have become a legend in your own mind.

Asdren

pre 12 godina

"That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints."

Where on Earth would it be written in a UN document that no Kosovar Albanain can man the checkpoints? That would be outright racism. Seriously, use your logic and common sense if you have one

Asdren

pre 12 godina

KFOR should uindeed respond in kind. Ones natural instinct for survival will take hold in any hostile situation. They owe a responsibilty to themselves more than anyone else.

Milan

pre 12 godina

Willi Pfaff,

Have you Germans and your Austrian cousins not caused enough trouble for and suffering to Serbia and the Serbs during the past 100+ years? Or do you think that was good because Serbs are just "Untermenschen" so it does not matter? If you came to this site with some humility and respect I would probably take you seriously. However, your biassed views based on your lifestyle, among other things, makes you just as credible as the flood of Albanian computer warrior trolls that have infected this site with their usual BS.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

"My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians."

The Austrian KFOR-members are for sure busy with something else, since one of them was shot at by K-Serbs and had to be flown to Austria for medical treatment. But for sure your "fellow Austrian" has told you about this.

pss

pre 12 godina

I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)
My guess is you read this yesterday revealed by "staff". Of course it is still questionable as if he is also your pseudonym as he receives most of his information through top secret meetings that the rest of the world is not privy to such as yourself. He also maintains the same successful prediction rate, somewhere around 0.
As far as your inside info on the economics in the world, everything you say that is accurate appears in every news source world wide, everything that you list that is "new" is either non validated or simply not true.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

KFOR members in Kosovo recognized that the idea of creating a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo was just an illusion - only politicians still believe in this idea. Must be hard to realize that you cannot impose even good ideas on people which don't have the same European democratic background, but still live in archaic clan structures like the Kosovo Albanians.
(Analyst, 3 December 2011 23:34)

Any proof except for "exKFOR"s confusing statements?

icj1

pre 12 godina

KFOR started all of this using strong arm tactics and now have the gall of crying about violence. Let me say that this commander is talking utter crap as he is not allowed to go beyond his mandate otherwise the conflict widens.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Absolutely, KFOR will not be allowed to go beyond its mandate of ensuring freedom of movement and supporting the implementation of UNMIK Regulation no 3 of 1999 which mandates the collection of customs taxes for goods destined to Kosovo.
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KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

I don’t think pride recovery is part of KFOR’s mandate under Resolution 1244, so if KFOR did it, I agree that would be beyond KFOR’s mandate :)
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I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Were those Malaysian troops ?

icj1

pre 12 godina

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every word of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan for Kosovo that the United Nations Security Council Unanimously Voted for.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

There is no such a thing voted by the UNSC. The only thing that was voted was Resolution 1244 which, I remind you, it still in force.
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The United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

No, there is no such a prohibition, nowhere. Do you have any reference where you read it, or it was just in your dreams ?
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Obviously, there are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

What law ? Who approved this Law ? Can you give us a reference to the text of the Law ? Remember that the Laws operating in Kosovo are the Resolution 1244, UNMIK Regulations and any Law by Kosovo’s institutions in accordance with Resolution 1244.
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Serbia Must Demand, Yes, Demand Loudly and Clearly at the United Nations, and by writing to all World Governments, on these Matters of there being Only One Law for Everyone.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

There is already only one Law for everyone. There is no need for Serbia to demand anything.
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This means that Must be and it is Unambiguous, Unequivocal, and having Only One Possible Meaning or Interpretation; that Everyone, including the Serbs Must have Full Equality Before The Law!
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

Of course, that’s already happening. Actually Serbs in Kosovo have even more equality before the Law than the Albanians if we consider that Serbs, even though a minority in Kosovo, have the right to veto changes to Kosovo’s Constitution.
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This means that Others Must Obey the Law, including the German Fourth Reich and Hitler’s Descendants who are now NATO Mercenaries.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

That’s what they are already doing; implementing the freedom of movement as mandated by Resolution 1244 and helping with the implementation of UNMIK Regulation no 3 of 1999 which mandates the collection of customs taxes for goods destined to Kosovo.
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That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

You can repeat it as many time as you want, but that does not make it the Law until you show us the text of the Law which prohibits the above approved by UNSC, UNMIK or Kosovo’s institutions acting in accordance with Resolution 1244. I know that you strongly wish that such a Law existed, but your mere wish, regardless of how strong it is, is not sufficient to make that Law come into existence.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians."

KFOR members in Kosovo recognized that the idea of creating a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo was just an illusion - only politicians still believe in this idea. Must be hard to realize that you cannot impose even good ideas on people which don't have the same European democratic background, but still live in archaic clan structures like the Kosovo Albanians.

to pro-me from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

Hey Albanian,

my ex UN fellow understands that you have no rights over Serb KiM, but he earns his money and has to follow his pro-Muslim government orders. regarding wounded troops - well that he understands too but once there he would defend his co-servicemen - no doubt, but those are the circumstances - and in fact it is a product of the Kosovo Albanian nationalism. But that should not surprise anyone that you are afraid of fighting Serbs and therefore ask others, or if you by chance have nobody to do it for you, then you would knowingly use human shields in order to play "victims".

pro-me

pre 12 godina

I saw a similar report where Serbs were shot so it just spin on both sides. It was obvious that KFOR did use rubber bullets on the Serbs so if the Serbs used the same well that’s fair.
(sj, 4 December 2011 06:54)

You are aware that there is a "slight" difference between a rubber bullet and a real one? So if KFOR starts now using live ammunition it would only be fair, wouldn't it?

pss

pre 12 godina

(sj, 4 December 2011 06:54)
Funny "staff"s info came from an Autrian too.
Your attempts to insult me are wasted bud, but that seems to be a Serbian trait when unable to make a valid argument then try to belittle the opposition.
Buying a newspaper is a waste of money in this age except for coupon clippers.
But if I am not mistaken have you not for weeks been criticizing the Kfor troops because they were not going to do anything I think your quote was P***ing in the wind.
Once they do something you criticze them for using "strong arm tactics"
I am confused by your statement that you have found that only American expats have information and not Serbs.
Are you saying as an American I have info and as a Serb you have none, cause I would definitely agree to that.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

It means that Serbian border police and officials will now be manning the administrative border between Serbia and Kosmet as well as its international borders with Crna Gora, Macedonia and Albania with the Pristina people there as observers. As far as I can read it, thats what Resolution 1244 says.
(Niall O'Doherty, 3 December 2011 18:48)
I tried several times to write a response to your comment but I am sorry it is just to ludicrous for a level headed response.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 4 December 2011 14:26)

Unfortunately who ever edited my posting in B92 made a dog’s breakfast t of it. OK I’m “staff” – does that satisfy you?
My apologies to “staff” who wever you are because this Albanian thinks we are the same people.
I have very little patience with idiotic statements and after 3 years on this site I have read many that come into that category.
No I did not say “as an American I have info and as a Serb you have none” – this is bad editing on B92’s part. Americans are kept in the dark and fed on BS and told that there is nothing beyond San Francisco Bay. I’m amazed they even know where Europe is located. And this is not just my opinion as even expat Americans have said the same many times. Some even refused to return home because they could see it was going down hill with no hope of saving it – not my words, but theirs.
As far as KFOR is concerned, they are full of p*** and wind because they have achieved nothing. They made an attempt and got nowhere. If they started to use live ammunition then it gives the other side the licence to do the same and the situation escalates. That is the reality of the situation.
I was surprised KFOR and NATO took action, but you only had to see Tadic and realize he agreed to it. No finalization no EU bonus. Tadci is desperate to get EU candidate staus, but what does that mean when the EU is falling apart is anyone’s guess.
KFOR is there not to provide security to Albanians so if they get hurt well too bad. Stay neutral like 1224 asks and no one gets hurt, but there are more players in this game. If you think that a group of Serbs have managed to do this on their own then you are deluded.
There are more powerful interests here that will not allow Kosovo to become independent no matter if the entire world recognizes it. They want to maintain the status quo as it will keep the pressure cooker build up steam. The US and Thaci needs diversions, but if they are not succeeding and the pressure is building.
These latest talks and agreements between Belgrade and Pristina are about to be thrown to the rubbish bins of history as the local Serbs voted that they will not accept them.
Status Quo, stagnation continues.


You are aware that there is a "slight" difference between a rubber bullet and a real one? So if KFOR starts now using live ammunition it would only be fair, wouldn't it?
(pro-me, 4 December 2011 13:11)
Yes I know the difference between live ammunition and rubber bullets. South East Asian countries regularly use both on their people.
If KFOR feels the need to use live rounds they can, no one there can stop them, but the consequences are going to be horrible to say the least.

ben

pre 12 godina

(to Willi Plaff from exKFOR, 3 December 2011 13:53)

Gen Drews should give and adequate answer what is KFOR doing to prevent Breiviks joining KFOR??? Their psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is not an acceptable answer.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pro-me, 3 December 2011 13:22)

Firstly the vast majority were unarmed while some did have pieces of wood, iron etc, but I don’t see how that can be compared to the equipment KFOR was using such as armed carriers water cannon riot equipment and so on.
On the issue of media talking about 2 soldiers being shot; I saw a similar report where Serbs were shot so it just spin on both sides. It was obvious that KFOR did use rubber bullets on the Serbs so if the Serbs used the same well that’s fair.

(pss, 3 December 2011 15:02)

Here he is, old faithful, as I said before I had a dog like this guy which just kept on chancing its tail. He thinks that if he does not have the information then it’s not true.
I have used SJ from day one and never any other pseudonym so what “staff” are you talking about?
The information came from a friend who works in Austria and this Kosovo business was discussed on one of their radio stations with callers talking about it. Two stated that they had relatives in KFOR in Northern Kosovo and they were told by those relatives of what I posted. They are not happy because they see it’s a one sided situation- one said that “the Albanians can do anything abd KFOR looks the other way”
I have internet in my house and that is how I was told about it. Maybe you are waiting for electricity to be connected to yours.
It funny that the only people I know that have some level of information are all expat Americans, not Serbs.

“As far as your inside info on the economics in the world, everything you say that is accurate appears in every news source world wide, everything that you list that is "new" is either non validated or simply not true.”

Go and buy a newspaper and read about the world economic situation.
I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

icj1

pre 12 godina

KFOR is there not to provide security to Albanians so if they get hurt well too bad. Stay neutral like 1224 asks and no one gets hurt, but there are more players in this game.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

I tried to find the “stay neutral” for KFOR in the English version of 1244, but did not find it. So, I also checked the Arabic, Chinese, French and Russian version and, unfortunately, failed to find it again. Is there any other version we should check ?
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If you think that a group of Serbs have managed to do this on their own then you are deluded.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Why not ? We know that Serbs are heroic people !
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There are more powerful interests here that will not allow Kosovo to become independent no matter if the entire world recognizes it.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Are those interests from aliens from another planet or galaxy ?
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They want to maintain the status quo as it will keep the pressure cooker build up steam. The US and Thaci needs diversions, but if they are not succeeding and the pressure is building.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

So, if the entire world recognizes Kosovo, there are still aliens who want to do what you are saying. That’s great, you have finally discovered that there is life in the universe in addition to Earth. This is earth-shattering news, probably the greatest discovery of science ever.
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These latest talks and agreements between Belgrade and Pristina are about to be thrown to the rubbish bins of history as the local Serbs voted that they will not accept them.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Absolutely; Kosovo (K. Serbs included) is independent from Serbia. They don’t take order from Serbia.
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Status Quo, stagnation continues.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Of course; as long as resolution 1244 is in force, Kosovo UDI is in accordance with 1244 and that status quo continues.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)
Did someone write your post for you and you just keep copying it over and over.
Other than the major inaccuracies in your post.
1. The 6 point plan was never intended to be a "LAW" it was a plan.
2. Was never adopted by anyone anywhere. It was submitted in a report and the UNSC never undertook any action on it, other than to say they "welcomed" the report which also included that the Pristina authorities rejected it.
3.No mention of it was included in the Presidential statement welcoming Eulex.
4. Eulex rejected it prior to assuming control, has never included it in any of its operational plans.
5. Has not been mentioned by anyone other than Serbs since nor is listed in any legal or binding documents.
6. Does not include any statements banning Albanians from the crossings. Does say that internationals will return to the checkpoints to reopen them immediately (after being burned down by "peaceful" Serb protesters.
7. You seem to omit the first part of the section on customs which is "35. Kosovo will continue to function as a single customs area."

It is obvious from your posting(s) that you too have become a legend in your own mind.

Willi Pfaff

pre 12 godina

It shows the current state of the Serbian society. You still have to lean a lot and a positive change of the way Serbian people think should come from within them, out of a democratic conviction, and not from outside pressure. I can only fell you, take a close and realistic look at your own recent past, understand that what happened in the name of Serbia in Kosovo and the rest of the Balkan was wrong, was ineccetabe, actually inexcusable, and leave those nationalistic behavior behind u. It will get u nowhere.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

KFOR for the German commander of KFOR Erhard Drews, and to the German Population stands for Killing For Our Reich, that Must include a Greater Albania just like Hitler wanted.

Yes, the right for Serbia’s President Boris Tadic to do it is to admit what we Many of us already know to be True, and that is that Angela Merkel Bribed Serbian President Boris Tadic with Many Millions of Euros to be a Traitor.

Serbia will then Conduct a Long Court Process that will become known Worldwide, and after the World has been Totally Saturated with this Matter, Boris Tadic should be Pardoned, if he shows enough Remorse for having been inadvertently led astray by the Fourth German Reich.

Many of us have Suspected that the Fourth German Reich was Bribing European Politicians, while Some of us have known this Fact for a Long Time that the Fourth German Reich Bribes Many European Politicians.

If Honest People with Honest Motives want to show Respect for the Law, then they have a Duty to Obey it Themselves.

Furthermore, they Must do Everything in their Power to help others like the Kosovo Albanians have Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every word of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan for Kosovo that the United Nations Security Council Unanimously Voted for.

The United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

Obviously, there are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law.

Serbia Must Demand, Yes, Demand Loudly and Clearly at the United Nations, and by writing to all World Governments, on these Matters of there being Only One Law for Everyone.

This means that Must be and it is Unambiguous, Unequivocal, and having Only One Possible Meaning or Interpretation; that Everyone, including the Serbs Must have Full Equality Before The Law!

This means that Others Must Obey the Law, including the German Fourth Reich and Hitler’s Descendants who are now NATO Mercenaries.

The German commander of KFOR Commander Erhard Drews, knows how the Albanians Lies of blaming the Victim worked for the Albanians, and now he is trying to use it on Peaceful Serbs who have a right to have the Law respected and Obeyed by Everyone.

That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Do you really think if you repeat the "unarmed Serbs" lie often enough it will turn true? The world media is full of reports about the two soldiers that have been shot at and wounded by your "unarmed Serbs".

Asdren

pre 12 godina

"That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints."

Where on Earth would it be written in a UN document that no Kosovar Albanain can man the checkpoints? That would be outright racism. Seriously, use your logic and common sense if you have one

sj

pre 12 godina

KFOR started all of this using strong arm tactics and now have the gall of crying about violence. Let me say that this commander is talking utter crap as he is not allowed to go beyond his mandate otherwise the conflict widens.
KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.

to Willi Plaff from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

pls stop driveling this slogan about Serbs being sth extraordinary agressive or undemocratic - Albanians have always been more agressive, intolerant, supremacy-driven and extreme self-complacent society - look how many minorities live in Serbian proper, and tell me why have Romas not returned to Roma Mahalla in Kos-Mitro, even Muslim-loving Croats are running away from their best friends in KiM. My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians. For them they are just ordinary uneducated religious bigots - no matter if they pray for Allah or money...

icj1

pre 12 godina

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every word of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan for Kosovo that the United Nations Security Council Unanimously Voted for.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

There is no such a thing voted by the UNSC. The only thing that was voted was Resolution 1244 which, I remind you, it still in force.
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The United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

No, there is no such a prohibition, nowhere. Do you have any reference where you read it, or it was just in your dreams ?
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Obviously, there are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

What law ? Who approved this Law ? Can you give us a reference to the text of the Law ? Remember that the Laws operating in Kosovo are the Resolution 1244, UNMIK Regulations and any Law by Kosovo’s institutions in accordance with Resolution 1244.
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Serbia Must Demand, Yes, Demand Loudly and Clearly at the United Nations, and by writing to all World Governments, on these Matters of there being Only One Law for Everyone.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

There is already only one Law for everyone. There is no need for Serbia to demand anything.
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This means that Must be and it is Unambiguous, Unequivocal, and having Only One Possible Meaning or Interpretation; that Everyone, including the Serbs Must have Full Equality Before The Law!
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

Of course, that’s already happening. Actually Serbs in Kosovo have even more equality before the Law than the Albanians if we consider that Serbs, even though a minority in Kosovo, have the right to veto changes to Kosovo’s Constitution.
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This means that Others Must Obey the Law, including the German Fourth Reich and Hitler’s Descendants who are now NATO Mercenaries.
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

That’s what they are already doing; implementing the freedom of movement as mandated by Resolution 1244 and helping with the implementation of UNMIK Regulation no 3 of 1999 which mandates the collection of customs taxes for goods destined to Kosovo.
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That Law includes the United Nations Six Plan for Kosovo Explicitly Prohibits ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints
(Yet Another J S, 3 December 2011 13:01)

You can repeat it as many time as you want, but that does not make it the Law until you show us the text of the Law which prohibits the above approved by UNSC, UNMIK or Kosovo’s institutions acting in accordance with Resolution 1244. I know that you strongly wish that such a Law existed, but your mere wish, regardless of how strong it is, is not sufficient to make that Law come into existence.

icj1

pre 12 godina

KFOR started all of this using strong arm tactics and now have the gall of crying about violence. Let me say that this commander is talking utter crap as he is not allowed to go beyond his mandate otherwise the conflict widens.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Absolutely, KFOR will not be allowed to go beyond its mandate of ensuring freedom of movement and supporting the implementation of UNMIK Regulation no 3 of 1999 which mandates the collection of customs taxes for goods destined to Kosovo.
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KFOR has to use tough words to recover some pride as it was whipped by unarmed Serbs despite using water cannon, pepper spray, riot equipment, shields and batons.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

I don’t think pride recovery is part of KFOR’s mandate under Resolution 1244, so if KFOR did it, I agree that would be beyond KFOR’s mandate :)
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I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Were those Malaysian troops ?

ben

pre 12 godina

(to Willi Plaff from exKFOR, 3 December 2011 13:53)

Gen Drews should give and adequate answer what is KFOR doing to prevent Breiviks joining KFOR??? Their psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is not an acceptable answer.

to ben from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

"Gen Drews should give and adequate answer what is KFOR doing to prevent Breiviks joining KFOR??? Their psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is not an acceptable answer."
Firstly, there are no Breiviks in KFOR but average europeans- mostly brain-washed by Muslim multiculti stuff...or just afraid to speak out the truth - exactly like it was in the Soviet Union...
secondly - KiM Albos psychological instability and social irrelevance and mockery is definately not an acceptable to any self-respecting European - stop stealing others property, stop ethnical cleansing of Serbs and Romas

grobar1

pre 12 godina

Sounds like KFOR know Serbs have nothing to lose if we stay out of the EU. KFOR got whooped badly last time and they will again. Better for them to go to their respective country of origin and subdue their ghetto Muslim population than fight on Muslim behalf on Serb lands. We dont accept you Islamization and liberalism, as its ruining a Europe still barely coasting on the success of its fading conservatism and homogeneity.

Asdren

pre 12 godina

KFOR should uindeed respond in kind. Ones natural instinct for survival will take hold in any hostile situation. They owe a responsibilty to themselves more than anyone else.

ROLANDI

pre 12 godina

they have no choice ther govermant sold them out don't call border line but crossing line what a diference is this thanks tadic see you in europe

pss

pre 12 godina

I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)
My guess is you read this yesterday revealed by "staff". Of course it is still questionable as if he is also your pseudonym as he receives most of his information through top secret meetings that the rest of the world is not privy to such as yourself. He also maintains the same successful prediction rate, somewhere around 0.
As far as your inside info on the economics in the world, everything you say that is accurate appears in every news source world wide, everything that you list that is "new" is either non validated or simply not true.

Darko

pre 12 godina

KFOR and Nato are very successful from the air.
On the ground they are still to prove themselves...
I truly advise them to try that in another Country and get some real practise on the solid ground before they do that,I know the fact cos I watched many old Serbian war movies,yes we have "Mirko" and "Slavko" war heros,while they
have Tom Hanks and Rambo.

But then again,they may be still good enough to beat up few civilians
What are they doing there in middle of the conflict by supporting one side.
Is this is gonna be Lybia scenario again,they will supply air power and let Albanians attack us and take over the Kosovo.
They should stick to their neutral position and wait for the compromise
and negotiations to be made.

They are looking for some incidents so they can blame Srbs and have reason to take over the land.
First they told ROSU to take Serbians crossings and pull out to cause havoc,wich Srbs did respond.
Then they used that as excuse to negotiate with Srbs to take over Srbian crossings so they can protect them "better".

Then they started to bring Albanian Custom officers,or to take over the Country if you like,as another calculated provocation.
Then Scrbs responded with baricades,now finnally they want few "beaten up soldiers,so they sent the most hated soldiers in the History of the World,Germans and Austraians,and of coarse naive Srbs responded again,understandingly(imagine if they sent those soldiers to Russia,how many would be hurt!?)

So what really happened was the storyline in newspaper innthe WEST NATO Soldiers got shot at by SRBS,we dont hear stories here in the West 100-150 Serbian civilians was hurt by NATO in their own Country for being naughty cos they live in that Country and want to continue doing that.
Now they can justify use of force and start another war,again calculated well,of coarse they will get one in Balkans.

So bottom line is that there is no point negotiating when PSyCHOPATHS do not want facts and the truth and solutions and peace.

Serbia is waisting time in pleasing Europian nations for no good reason and from once respected freedom fighters land turning into a land of "cheap slaves"

Before we show them the teeth we wont get any advancment in neotiations neither respect.12 yrs gone,exactly what they needed it ,to train Albanian Army,build bases,get the info,and most importantly to wait for our ex veterans
100 of thousends to age,that was real threat,to try our high rank officers and Generals,to make us applogise publicly to everyone,to humiliate our heros,presidents,police,military...

"Now they say you are not doing enough to be with us together"

Now KFOR is going to shoot at our nationals and we are going to watch that on TV and bag Europe to takes us in.

At least 1941 we didnt beg to be part occupator,we told them to "shove it up his a***"

Yes we may be struggling economiclly so does is the Cuba,however Westerners love Cuba,cos it has lots to offer,dance,music,warmth,great atmosfere...

We have a lot going for not to be traded for few stuck up corporate suits,arrogant politics and cold smerks.

EU PLEASE DO NOT LET US IN , YOU ARE RIGHT,WE ARE DIFFERENT!

pro-me

pre 12 godina

"My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians."

The Austrian KFOR-members are for sure busy with something else, since one of them was shot at by K-Serbs and had to be flown to Austria for medical treatment. But for sure your "fellow Austrian" has told you about this.

Milan

pre 12 godina

Willi Pfaff,

Have you Germans and your Austrian cousins not caused enough trouble for and suffering to Serbia and the Serbs during the past 100+ years? Or do you think that was good because Serbs are just "Untermenschen" so it does not matter? If you came to this site with some humility and respect I would probably take you seriously. However, your biassed views based on your lifestyle, among other things, makes you just as credible as the flood of Albanian computer warrior trolls that have infected this site with their usual BS.

to pro-me from exKFOR

pre 12 godina

Hey Albanian,

my ex UN fellow understands that you have no rights over Serb KiM, but he earns his money and has to follow his pro-Muslim government orders. regarding wounded troops - well that he understands too but once there he would defend his co-servicemen - no doubt, but those are the circumstances - and in fact it is a product of the Kosovo Albanian nationalism. But that should not surprise anyone that you are afraid of fighting Serbs and therefore ask others, or if you by chance have nobody to do it for you, then you would knowingly use human shields in order to play "victims".

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

"He said that KFOR would respond with the same means to those who used force in a case of escalation of violence such as the one at the village in Jagnjenica last Monday."

'Respond with same means'? Then KFOR has to upgrade its weapon arsenal with stones, Molotov cocktails and firework equipment instead of using pepper spray, water cannons and rubber bullets against attackers.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs. "
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

That's normal, why should they be keen of it? Everyone prefers a peaceful solution, but it's indeed one of the tasks of KFOR to ensure freedom of movement. Of course KFOR knows how it all started and what the reason have been for the barricades to be erected. Have a month ago, there have been even plans to reduce KFOR troops because the situation was improving. Nowadays, after Thaci violent unilateral moves, nobody talks about that any more and KFOR even had to upgrade the troops.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

It means that Serbian border police and officials will now be manning the administrative border between Serbia and Kosmet as well as its international borders with Crna Gora, Macedonia and Albania with the Pristina people there as observers. As far as I can read it, thats what Resolution 1244 says.
(Niall O'Doherty, 3 December 2011 18:48)
I tried several times to write a response to your comment but I am sorry it is just to ludicrous for a level headed response.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pro-me, 3 December 2011 13:22)

Firstly the vast majority were unarmed while some did have pieces of wood, iron etc, but I don’t see how that can be compared to the equipment KFOR was using such as armed carriers water cannon riot equipment and so on.
On the issue of media talking about 2 soldiers being shot; I saw a similar report where Serbs were shot so it just spin on both sides. It was obvious that KFOR did use rubber bullets on the Serbs so if the Serbs used the same well that’s fair.

(pss, 3 December 2011 15:02)

Here he is, old faithful, as I said before I had a dog like this guy which just kept on chancing its tail. He thinks that if he does not have the information then it’s not true.
I have used SJ from day one and never any other pseudonym so what “staff” are you talking about?
The information came from a friend who works in Austria and this Kosovo business was discussed on one of their radio stations with callers talking about it. Two stated that they had relatives in KFOR in Northern Kosovo and they were told by those relatives of what I posted. They are not happy because they see it’s a one sided situation- one said that “the Albanians can do anything abd KFOR looks the other way”
I have internet in my house and that is how I was told about it. Maybe you are waiting for electricity to be connected to yours.
It funny that the only people I know that have some level of information are all expat Americans, not Serbs.

“As far as your inside info on the economics in the world, everything you say that is accurate appears in every news source world wide, everything that you list that is "new" is either non validated or simply not true.”

Go and buy a newspaper and read about the world economic situation.
I have only recently been told that even some of the troops were not keen at removing the barricades nor were they happy about going against the Serbs.
(sj, 3 December 2011 11:28)

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"My fellow Austrian from the UN days is curretnly KFOR member and they are laughing their arses off when it comes this illyrian-legend...and multiculturism and democracy among K-Albanians."

KFOR members in Kosovo recognized that the idea of creating a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo was just an illusion - only politicians still believe in this idea. Must be hard to realize that you cannot impose even good ideas on people which don't have the same European democratic background, but still live in archaic clan structures like the Kosovo Albanians.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

KFOR members in Kosovo recognized that the idea of creating a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo was just an illusion - only politicians still believe in this idea. Must be hard to realize that you cannot impose even good ideas on people which don't have the same European democratic background, but still live in archaic clan structures like the Kosovo Albanians.
(Analyst, 3 December 2011 23:34)

Any proof except for "exKFOR"s confusing statements?

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 4 December 2011 14:26)

Unfortunately who ever edited my posting in B92 made a dog’s breakfast t of it. OK I’m “staff” – does that satisfy you?
My apologies to “staff” who wever you are because this Albanian thinks we are the same people.
I have very little patience with idiotic statements and after 3 years on this site I have read many that come into that category.
No I did not say “as an American I have info and as a Serb you have none” – this is bad editing on B92’s part. Americans are kept in the dark and fed on BS and told that there is nothing beyond San Francisco Bay. I’m amazed they even know where Europe is located. And this is not just my opinion as even expat Americans have said the same many times. Some even refused to return home because they could see it was going down hill with no hope of saving it – not my words, but theirs.
As far as KFOR is concerned, they are full of p*** and wind because they have achieved nothing. They made an attempt and got nowhere. If they started to use live ammunition then it gives the other side the licence to do the same and the situation escalates. That is the reality of the situation.
I was surprised KFOR and NATO took action, but you only had to see Tadic and realize he agreed to it. No finalization no EU bonus. Tadci is desperate to get EU candidate staus, but what does that mean when the EU is falling apart is anyone’s guess.
KFOR is there not to provide security to Albanians so if they get hurt well too bad. Stay neutral like 1224 asks and no one gets hurt, but there are more players in this game. If you think that a group of Serbs have managed to do this on their own then you are deluded.
There are more powerful interests here that will not allow Kosovo to become independent no matter if the entire world recognizes it. They want to maintain the status quo as it will keep the pressure cooker build up steam. The US and Thaci needs diversions, but if they are not succeeding and the pressure is building.
These latest talks and agreements between Belgrade and Pristina are about to be thrown to the rubbish bins of history as the local Serbs voted that they will not accept them.
Status Quo, stagnation continues.


You are aware that there is a "slight" difference between a rubber bullet and a real one? So if KFOR starts now using live ammunition it would only be fair, wouldn't it?
(pro-me, 4 December 2011 13:11)
Yes I know the difference between live ammunition and rubber bullets. South East Asian countries regularly use both on their people.
If KFOR feels the need to use live rounds they can, no one there can stop them, but the consequences are going to be horrible to say the least.

pro-me

pre 12 godina

I saw a similar report where Serbs were shot so it just spin on both sides. It was obvious that KFOR did use rubber bullets on the Serbs so if the Serbs used the same well that’s fair.
(sj, 4 December 2011 06:54)

You are aware that there is a "slight" difference between a rubber bullet and a real one? So if KFOR starts now using live ammunition it would only be fair, wouldn't it?

pss

pre 12 godina

(sj, 4 December 2011 06:54)
Funny "staff"s info came from an Autrian too.
Your attempts to insult me are wasted bud, but that seems to be a Serbian trait when unable to make a valid argument then try to belittle the opposition.
Buying a newspaper is a waste of money in this age except for coupon clippers.
But if I am not mistaken have you not for weeks been criticizing the Kfor troops because they were not going to do anything I think your quote was P***ing in the wind.
Once they do something you criticze them for using "strong arm tactics"
I am confused by your statement that you have found that only American expats have information and not Serbs.
Are you saying as an American I have info and as a Serb you have none, cause I would definitely agree to that.

icj1

pre 12 godina

KFOR is there not to provide security to Albanians so if they get hurt well too bad. Stay neutral like 1224 asks and no one gets hurt, but there are more players in this game.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

I tried to find the “stay neutral” for KFOR in the English version of 1244, but did not find it. So, I also checked the Arabic, Chinese, French and Russian version and, unfortunately, failed to find it again. Is there any other version we should check ?
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If you think that a group of Serbs have managed to do this on their own then you are deluded.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Why not ? We know that Serbs are heroic people !
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There are more powerful interests here that will not allow Kosovo to become independent no matter if the entire world recognizes it.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Are those interests from aliens from another planet or galaxy ?
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They want to maintain the status quo as it will keep the pressure cooker build up steam. The US and Thaci needs diversions, but if they are not succeeding and the pressure is building.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

So, if the entire world recognizes Kosovo, there are still aliens who want to do what you are saying. That’s great, you have finally discovered that there is life in the universe in addition to Earth. This is earth-shattering news, probably the greatest discovery of science ever.
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These latest talks and agreements between Belgrade and Pristina are about to be thrown to the rubbish bins of history as the local Serbs voted that they will not accept them.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Absolutely; Kosovo (K. Serbs included) is independent from Serbia. They don’t take order from Serbia.
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Status Quo, stagnation continues.
(sj, 4 December 2011 23:45)

Of course; as long as resolution 1244 is in force, Kosovo UDI is in accordance with 1244 and that status quo continues.