"Serbia doesn't meet EU requirements"

Thanks Germany, you just saved us from yourselves

I am still pretty much amazed by Tadic's and Co insistence to join this discredited union called EU.Why doesn't Tadic ask himself a simple question which is "what are the benefits of joining the EU"?Why Tadic doesn't look at the Greek experience and draw some lessons?It suffices to say that back in 1981-when Greece joined the EU-total public debt was in the region of $22 billion as opposed to 360 billion Euros at present.
So much for EU membership.

The Greeks as well as the rest of the EU citizens were lied to in their belief they were joining a trade association whereby goods,services and people were moving freely across the EU.Instead they're saddled with a three tier EU with the German dictators not only dictating the agenda but also being able to bypass the will of sovereign people and install their own puppet governments.This is exactly what happened in Greece and Italy.

As someone who has got Serbia's best interests at heart I pray that ordinary Serbs will fight tooth and nail to keep their sovereignty and independence.

“At the moment Serbia does not meet the conditions of the EU accession process,” Merkel said in a release issued by the German government ahead of the forthcoming EU summit, which is due on Friday, December 9.

Thank you so every much Merkel, sincerely. You may be a forest swine yet by keeping us (Serbians) out of this bankrupt, corrupt, and defunct union you are prolonging the survival of the Serbian people.

And I must express my gratitude and support for the Serbians in Kosovo, especially those who build three new barricades for every one that neo-nazis destroy as they strive to promote freedom of movement(???)whilst avoiding albanian crimes at all costs.

The German chancellor pointed out that “Serbia contributed to an atmosphere in which German KFOR troops were attacked and wounded with firearms in the previous days”.

“I say it is unacceptable,” Merkel stressed.'

I say having Fourth Reich soldiers firing on Serbian protersters is unacceptable and a war crime. Although I am very happy with this news, as it will keep Serbia out of that German run club and keep Serbia free and independent, I am amazed at the lies and propoganda demonizing Serbia once again coming out of German officials. Guido, Angela, and co. are goose stepping in unison, singing the same tune, and all repeating the same lies, that unarmed Serbs attacked the poor German heavily armed occupiers. They have learned well from their mentor, Josef Goebbels.
Meanwhile, Croatia, they have Nazi concerts attended by government officials, they don't allow ethnicaly cleansed Serbs back and discriminate against them at every turn, they praise war criminals, they celebrate genocide as a public holiday, and they are deemed worthy of having EU values.
This is the upside down Orwellian world we live in, where Nazis can fire on peaceful protesters, ethnicaly cleanse their whole population of minorities, illegaly give away someone else's land to organ snatchers, and then accuse the victim of being an extremist.
Not getting membership to this club, who hates your freedom and independent spirit, is a huge blessing. Thank God!
Cheers!!

Leonidas,

It was you Greeks who blew your own thing. And it's your dishonesty that makes for example me to pay for your debts. And accusing anyone else only pinpoints your attitude of arrogant deceitfulness.

Whenever I spoke with Greeks they gave me lectures of Greece as the cradle of democracy. The people who gave democracy to the whole world. And now you play like you have nothing to do with the debts of Greece. But that others are guilty. Hooray!
(Olli, 2 December 2011 13:33)

Oh you pay the greek debts.HAHA what a joke!In what form if I may ask.Albanians are not famous for paying taxes in their host countries.I have never known that running bordel rings,car theft and drug business generate taxable income.So do not play the generous OLaf here.It is for the time being the swiws,italian and first of all greek taxpayers who work hard to pay the cost of albanian criminals sitting in their prisons.Additinally it is the area between Monasiraki and Omonia square in Athens which is flooded with albanians begging for eurocents.And let us not forget about billions of euroes of eu taxpayers disappering in the black hole called independent Kosova.Add to it the total price of those stolen expensive cars running on the roads of Albanian and kosovan roads and you will have a full picture who is the biggest parazite in Europe.

Well,

if Serbia hasnt learnt by now how the EU thinks then will not ever do.
Lies,lies ,promises,lies,Serbia gets smaller,smaller,weaker,people get poorer,
kapitalists get richer,richer,politicians get fatter,fatter.

If Serbia is smart,nowthey should join Russian bloc,install their weapons and systems,long range and mid range,latest radars and air defenses,then close the borders of Serbian Kosovo and kiss the Europe good buy and end any relationships with those enemy Countries.

For two to be in love it takes love from both sides.

As for the Germany ,Germany was always been the Germany,and I t always needs the Germany...So who really needs the Germany and her ugly ministers.

Serbia is hoping to get the EU candidate status at the EU summit on December 9.
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Serbia doesn't want it! It is the DS who want it. Thank God we now know how to stop this policy to sell Serbia to the EU. Serbia will not be joining and that is a good development. I'm not too sure how KiM Albanians feel about that but they won't be a part of it either. In fact, I think Croatia will be the last country to join before the EU collapses under its own debt. Romania and Bulgaria will be the first countries to leave.

No EU.Big deal,but the Serbs should give up Kosovo when the Jews give up Jerusalem.

To all my Serbian friends here, Frau Merkel has done you all a big favour. You should be very thankful. Now get down on your hands and knees and kiss her arse. You too Zoran.

(Niall O'Doherty, 2 December 2011 15:21)

Zorane,
It could be worse, at least you don't have to kiss Madeline Albright's arse. LOL
http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/fall-berlusconi/2191/berlusconi-%E2%80%98called-merkel-unfuckable-lard-arse%E2%80%99
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d5L9rf67Sco/SZr1nX2mQkI/AAAAAAAABV8/yZHwyytJ5Yo/s400/madeleine-albright.jpg

...she is of course, 100% right. your move Serbia

So we know what to expect on the 9th. At least then we can throw off the more cautionary aspects of government policy and get more openly militant on Kosmet. They will sing a different tune when Moscow is supplying their energy needs after 2015. In otherwords, the EU wont be so anti-European and anti-eastern.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT DECISION! Well done! Way forward for Serbia, recognise officially Kosovo independence, enter in serious and meaningful talks with Kosovo authorities, real frendship agreement and both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Any other move means messing around and wasting money and energy. If Serbia doesn't want the above option the other one join Russia Federation like brothers in arms.
(EA, 2 December 2011 12:36)

What are the benefits of joining this EU? As many talk abut mysterious club, but what do you get if you join?
So far I have not read one posting that can explain just what is the EU and what it means to join.

Good and bad news... The bad news is that we have a neighbour (Serbia) who is not civilized enough to get in Europe, and the good news is that EU is not giving the freebes anymore. It is about time where Serbia should accept the reality and encourage the redognition of Kosovo in the UN, plus try try to make lives of Kosovo serbs better, and not encourage them to build baricades and shoot at the KFOR soldiers.

Danke Frau Merkel!
Serbs dont want joining a Gang who supports ethnic Cleansing on Serbs!
And if they want they are Sick in the Head....
Its Time to remove some People of the Goverment who are working only Kontra Serbia.

To all my Serbian friends here, Frau Merkel has done you all a big favour. You should be very thankful. Now get down on your hands and knees and kiss her arse. You too Zoran.

Massive bullet dodged.

To all my Albanian friends here, there goes your chances of joining the EU.

THANK YOU MERKEL!!!
I knew you were good for something.

For those Serbs which clearly don't understand what the German chancelor said:

No means No!
Yes means Yes!
"Not met criteria" means "not met criteria"!
Kosovo-and-EU policy means, you won't get anything.
Stop attacking KFOR.

Not really difficult to understand..

Too bad for you too EA, without Serbia in the EU, what do you think the chances are that Kosovo will ever be in the EU? Right, it's zero. I praise the Serbs for their principle stance, something you are obviously not familiar with. Instead of listening to that German, Serbs are standing for something. Why capitulate to everyone? Unlike the Ethnic Albanian Government in Kosovo which fails to change one bit, Serbs have bent over backwards to increase the economic and political stability of their nation. Your brothers on the other hand, did nothing but continue to rob its own people. Enjoy living in filth for ever. Too bad you won't be in the EU either:-)

LOL! That's totally fine. The EU=almost finished which means the Albanians in Kosovo are almost totally finished :)

Nema Predaje

Its amazing how every non-Serb here sees this as a victory while the Serbs see it as a victory as well..


I am Serbian I dont want the EU... this is the biggest piece of good news Ive heard today... thank you Merkel

Good and bad news... The bad news is that we have a neighbour (Serbia) who is not civilized enough ... try try to make lives of Kosovo serbs better, and not encourage them to build baricades and shoot at the KFOR soldiers.
(kosovaman, 2 December 2
Wow! What a civilized man...you forgot to highlight your real values such as making serb's life much better by removing the organs,human trafficking, smuggling, theft at european scale, desecrating tombs, destroying churches, destroying the houses and we can continue all day long. Kosova is just a paradise and you are an Angel of peace. Amen!

Leonidas,

It was you Greeks who blew your own thing. And it's your dishonesty that makes for example me to pay for your debts. And accusing anyone else only pinpoints your attitude of arrogant deceitfulness.

Whenever I spoke with Greeks they gave me lectures of Greece as the cradle of democracy. The people who gave democracy to the whole world. And now you play like you have nothing to do with the debts of Greece. But that others are guilty. Hooray!

It is funny when they say neighbours.

Which neighbours?

The Albanians have not only stolen the Serbs' land, but they have expelled 300 000 Serbs from Kosovo with the protection of German Soldiers without beeing cracked down on by BERLIN.

The Germans are once again raping Serbia and the Serbs. Maybe they still remember the support they had from Albanians in Kosovo during WWII.1 million Serbs was murdered during WWII a majority of them massacred by Germans, Albanians, Muslims and Croatians.

It was you Greeks who blew your own thing. And it's your dishonesty that makes for example me to pay for your debts. And accusing anyone else only pinpoints your attitude of arrogant deceitfulness.

Whenever I spoke with Greeks they gave me lectures of Greece as the cradle of democracy. The people who gave democracy to the whole world. And now you play like you have nothing to do with the debts of Greece. But that others are guilty. Hooray!
(Olli, 2 December 2011 13:33)

Don't you think is a bit rich for Albanians to give lectures to Greeks about honesty?90% of cars in Albania are stolen from Western European countries-a lot of them from Greece-not to mention the fact that the Governor of the bank of Albania had his car confiscated in Italy because it was stolen or The Albanian Interior minister having his Merc confiscated by the Greek border guards as it was stolen from Switzerland.

If the Greeks lied so did the Germans,the French,the Italians,the Spanish,the Portugese and the Irish.But Turco-Albanians like yourself that have a grudge against the Greeks wouldn't be interested on facts but just on innuendos.

The German chancellor pointed out that “Serbia contributed to an atmosphere in which German KFOR troops were attacked and wounded with firearms in the previous days”.

Like KFOR (escpecially German and Austrian parts) not conducting acoording to UN1244 and not having an impartial stance had nothing to do with it? Nor shooting Serbs with rubber and live ammunition.
"Serbien muss sterbien" was the motto long ago and still is.

You have to love the responses from the Serb camp, all of you keep bragging that Serbia will keep her identity, you want to keep your independence, Serbia is better off outside of EC and bla,bla bla.

However all of you keyboard warriors are based abroad, if you think that Serbia is better off why don't you all move back to Serbia if its that good,

pathetic!

Serbia should speed up joining the EU otherwise further disintegration awaits. Since Merkel said today Nein, further disintegration is imminent. By the next year not only Kosovo recognition but also Vojvodina and Sanjak status will be new conditions to join the EU. If if it waits further Presevo valley and Zemun (claim by Croatia) may follow.

Leonidas,

I thought it would be more obvious to you why Tadic isn't weighing up those factors in his stance on EU/Kosovo.

He is maturing and has probably lost a lot of patriotism & is no longer showing 'leadership' qualities but rather a more self motivated objective.

He will obtain generous amounts of $$$ if he continues the path of EU accession & more if he succeeds. But it is clear to the majority of Serbs that he is not treating our fellow countrymen in KiM as Serbs of our state. He is now telling them to remove the barricades and telling KFOR to stop trying to remove them. He is basically trying to do KFOR's job for them.

We can be confident for a few reasons:
1) We are not going into the EU in times of such uncertainty.
2) We don't have to do @$%! of what Germany 'tell' us.
3) Our brothers in KiM are continuing to build more barricades which are proving a major headache to NATO & the criminals in Pristina + the Albanian internet warriors.
4) There is absolutely NO worry whatsoever if we do not 'pass' the test to get the EU candidacy because we can join later if need be when the circumstances are more favourable to us.
5) Germany are so loud to say "good neighbourly relations" in Europe when nobody in their right mind will ever trust that country again.

I am so happy that Merkel says Serbia is not ready. It's a blessing in disguise & we must concentrate on other economies. Even if we became candidates we would still be 6+ years away from becoming an EU member.

Volim te Srbijo!

i think ms. merkel is forgetting that the first bullets fired by german soldiers since world war ii killed 2 serbs driving a yellow lada in 1999.

Merkel's words are irrelevant before the vote on December the 9. It is literally a war of words and Germany's means to bring further pressure to bear on Serbia to betray their own citizens before the 9th. Merkel seems to think that german soldiers are immune from crimes against humanity. I hope the rest of Euorpe has noted this.

So, let Germany veto Serbia's candidate status on the 9th and then face the consequences. Until then, it is all meaningless.

1) I am not Serbian but I am a Serbian zet
2) I don't like the EU and don't want Serbia in it
3) If Kosovo remains a part of Serbia, in 30 years (estimating here) the Albanian population will be large enough to win elections and control ALL of Serbia.
4) I have absolutely no idea how to solve the problem of Kosovo so that both southern and northern parts are content and the rest of Serbia is also. I also don;t know how to solve it so that everyone is equally unhappy.
5) The call to arms on here is easy when they aren't your arms that may be blown off.
6) How is it that so many ex-yugoslavian countries wound up in the same world cup qualifying group?

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT DECISION! Well done! Way forward for Serbia, recognise officially Kosovo independence, enter in serious and meaningful talks with Kosovo authorities, real frendship agreement and both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Any other move means messing around and wasting money and energy. If Serbia doesn't want the above option the other one join Russia Federation like brothers in arms.

szemi,

You asked in what form I'll pay the Greek debts.

I live in the part of Europe where we use MONEY as the medium of exchange. I understand if you have difficulties to comprehend this medium. But I recommend you'll study it. The day when also you move to use money, instead of exchanging skins, can't be very far.

Otherwise I must be thankful that I had chance to read your comment. It gave me an idea to write a satirical sketch of a Greek redneck and a Greek MP sharing common understanding. It starts about like this:

INT. A BAR - MIDDAY
Redneck: "Can you figure this, the billions we fooled from abroad have unfortunately disappeared into Albanian pockets."
MP: "S***, those Albos fed us our own medicine."

Thanks, szemi!
(Olli, 2 December 2011 15:33)

Oh you albanians never cease to entertain.Maybe instead of running drug and bordel rings you should move to entertainment business.Who knows you may be undisovered talents:It could even turn out finally you have talent for something.Thanks for education about the nature of money.It suggests that not long ago you were used to the kind of barter trade you describe in your comment before being taken in a boot of a stolen car to some developed country where your little eyes opened.You realized what everyone including me knows that money is a means of exchange ,but since you come fro an area where this fact is not know you supposed there are others who are not aware of it either.Keep educating youself it is never to late.Also could you enlighten me why there is not any famous albanian economist,sportsmen or matematician?All time underachivers educating and critzizing others .Joke of the century.

BERLIN -- German Chancellor Angela Merkel stated on Friday that Serbia did not meet the conditions for obtaining the EU candidate status at the moment.

Conditions which I assume are subservience to larger political entities and international banks, readiness to abandon one's national sovereignty, rapid privatization before the creation of strong political institutions, and a general willingness to sacrifice increasing amount of democratic transparency for economic stability. Better for Serbia to remain poor and peripheral but still able to control its own political and economic destiny outside the EU than to be a poor and peripheral country at the mercy of the German-controlled ECB as a reward for meeting all the right "conditions".

Good. Now that Europe's Fuhrerin has spoken, it's time for Tadic and Co. to stop this charade of selling themselves down the river for membership in an organization on the verge of collapse, or at best will hobble along while peripheral countries like in the Balkans will be secondary countries to a northern European core. Serbia is already doing business with European countries that want to do business with it. Also, by not being a tool of the EU, it can continue to do business with non-EU members like Russia or China. Since we know Serbia isn't wanted, Tadic might as well throw his weight behind the Serbs in Kosovo and wait for another opportunity if it comes. Save the groveling and begging at German feet for Croats and Albanians. They have a better history of doing that anyway :)

Don't you think is a bit rich for Albanians to give lectures to Greeks about honesty?90% of cars in Albania are stolen from Western European countries-a lot of them from Greece-not to mention the fact that the Governor of the bank of Albania had his car confiscated in Italy because it was stolen or The Albanian Interior minister having his Merc confiscated by the Greek border guards as it was stolen from Switzerland.

If the Greeks lied so did the Germans,the French,the Italians,the Spanish,the Portugese and the Irish.But Turco-Albanians like yourself that have a grudge against the Greeks wouldn't be interested on facts but just on innuendos.
(Leonidas, 2 December 2011 15:49)

What happened to you dude?Did you drink too much ouzo ?Do you really think that 10 % of cars in Albania are possesed throug purches.I think there is not any.If it turned out that somebody bought the car that person would be immidiatelly imprisoned for betraying albanian traditions.

No means No!
Yes means Yes!
"Not met criteria" means "not met criteria"!
Kosovo-and-EU policy means, you won't get anything.
Stop attacking KFOR.

Not really difficult to understand..
(Berk., 2 December 2011 12:03)
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The way of your thinking is pure a nazi-thinking. You just bark as your mistress does. Keep it loud!

Olli, Serbia definitely needs improvement and it can learn some things from the EU, however, you are correct. Membership isn't that important if we can adopt the useful laws ourselves.
(Zoran, 2 December 2011 18:15) Good one Zoran yes democratic Serbia has introduced useful laws to rob and steal http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property http://www.nacional.hr/en/clanak/50512/inas-lawsuit-threatens-top-serbian-ranks your neighbours are very impressed. This is from the "reasonable good" side of Serb politics government just think of the other side of the Serb coin. Just keep thinking good thoughts they mite come true of Serbia and Serbs your neighbours prefer to live in reality it was a hard taught lesson thank you Serbs.

trizo

I am guessing that you are one of those in the diaspora. Serbs in Serbia though do not have opportunities that you do in the West (I'm assuming you don't live in China or Russia), they need improvements to their lives now. Whilst you yourself have time to indulge in myths like 'Kosovo', those in Nis, Jagodina, Valjevo, Vrsac...have to worry about everyday things...like work, education...you know really simple things that those in the West take for granted. So you are talking from a different reality. You do not face the challenges that the ordinary Serb in Serbia faces. They have no time to think of Kosovo, a land which is inhabited by Albanians mostly anyway. That is why I tell you a pro EU party will win. You can lecture them from the bosom of your armchair till kingdom come, but you will see who is going to win the elections and it really isn't going to be the 'Kosovo or Nothing' party

"Best news i've heard yet! Belonging to the eu is like belonging to a gang, who needs it? Be responsible for your own nation!"

Yes I'm sure Serbian politicians and their voters will be just as responsible as they've been these past twenty years in which Serbia has descended from being the most powerful country in Former Yugoslavia to being a basket case on the verge of bankruptcy and internal instability. Being a Russian or Turkish client state won't be any better for Serbia since they will simply sell all their public assets for cents on the dollar with little to no benefits for ordinary Serbian citizens. As long as the church and fanatical nationalist parties run the show (as they have in the past twenty years) Serbia will continue its downward spiral. "Back to Milosevic" is not a rallying cry for progress and if Tadic is replaced with the old Milosevic aparatchicks Serbia will once again find itself isolated, poor, and with some very upset minority groups that will demand further autonomy and rights, and with very little hope of progress. Will the Serbian people ever learn from history or will this tragedy continue to take place for another twenty years?

"They elections next spring will show it a bit more accurate. I'm curious about the results..."

Zero doubt in my mind that Tadic will win again. Serbs in Serbia (not those here who DONT live in Serbia) don't give a rats ass about kosovo. They have to contend with everyday things like, need for work, need for education, healthcare, social security. Kosovo is bottom of the list. i bet my left arm and right leg that a pro-EU party is going to win. those who scream Kosovo, Kosovo are not offering Serbs anything in real terms. they are feeding them an illusion

To all those that understand serbian language. Little bit of music....halid beslic....Necu necu dijamamte....if you replace dijamante/diamonds with EU instead ....dusa nebi drugu htjela nego tebe(kosovo) je zavoljela....tonight canadianserbs will celebrate all over......proud to be a serb...sa verom u boga....the spirit of martir obilic, car lazar, 9 jugovica i stari jug bogdan....lives on....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4TNFfGfpg&feature=fvwrel

Timber wolf

Thank you so every much Merkel, sincerely. You may be a forest swine yet by keeping us (Serbians) out of this bankrupt, corrupt, and defunct union you are prolonging the survival of the Serbian people.

Ya Serbs are doing fine for a second I thought you were describing Serbia and Serbslavia. Which no one wanted to stay in with the Serbs that tried to usurp power to rob and kill to get rid of the rest majority. Ya Serbia is doing fine it is still free falling it hasn't hit terra firma. The saviour of the Serbs the Kremlin has unloaded some of the Serbian load so the landing mite be not as bad as first thought that's it keep positive upper chin up.
(Goran., 2 December 2011 11:49)

Few brief remarks:

1. Merkel throws gasoline to fire. She's not able to put causes and effects in their right places.

2. If the EU says no to Serbia's candidacy it's the worst possible news to Kosovo Albanians.

3. If the EU says no to Serbia's candidacy it means the EU openly betrays Serbia.

4. Serbia's progression and bright future doesn't depend on the candidacy-or-not question, neither on the EU membership-or-not question. It depends on education, on will to learn, on building trust and cooperation skills, on giving value to human development. These are matters that can be adopted regardless the EU candidacy or membership. The idea that Serbia and Serbian citizenry has nothing to learn from anyone must be rejected.

5. Unity doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same. It means mutual trust.

As we all know, Merkel herself is a masterpiece of turncoat. If necessary, she is a daughter of a priest who reported on his fellow clergymen to STASI. If necessary, she is a daughter of a prosecuted priest. She knoew whom and when to marry... and whom and when to divorce.

For me, she is the symbol of a CLEVER politician who is honesty-challenged and knowa where the wind blows from... and Gemany's (in particular, DDR-s) shame.

Said that - the news is in the fact good news. I hope, it stays that way. Regardless, I also hope, Gemans will vote her out... Germany does not need Merkel. There aren't many "black" (CDU / CSU) politicians in Germany I have respect for. She is the shame of her otherwise not very respectable party.

"Serbia doesn't want it! It is the DS who want it. Thank God we now know how to stop this policy to sell Serbia to the EU.
(Zoran, 2 December 2011 12:44)

Famous words of Serbia's official spokesperson Zoran - only he knows what 'Serbia' wants.

They elections next spring will show it a bit more accurate. I'm curious about the results...

Denial is a diseases like alcoholism, drugs etc... There are steps that need to be taken for curing:
- First and foremost, you have to admit that you have a problem.
- Second, is to define a plan and setting goals how to get better?
- And third is to actually executing the plan...
I will say “Serbian Government” and political leaders need to go through this process cuz general people in Serbia don't care about Kosovo as long as they have a good lifestyle, good income, good health, free movement and secured life for their kids and grand kids.
(AJ Canada, 2 December 2011 15:13)

To my friend AJ Canada,(denial of Kosovo as serbian land was never an option)!

Buddy you are so far off.....do not forget you are talking to the nation that would rather fall and die than to ever accept to be someone elses slave...germans should start looking somewhere else....serbs r not going anywhere..kosovo shall be serbian land again...Russia & china is watching...merkel..u can just f..k o.. and leave Kosovo to their righful owners...Serbs

Battle of kosovo 1389..translate if you need to....check it out from 3:10 to 3:47...To all those who dont get it...americans even today celebrate the battle of alamo...it was about few who stood against many(mexican army)....retreat is not an option...at least when it comes down to serbs.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr5YbVNr-XQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr5YbVNr-XQ

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Best news i've heard yet! Belonging to the eu is like belonging to a gang, who needs it? Be responsible for your own nation!

Whats all the ''keyboard warrior'' trolling? Diaspora doesn't want western style islamization in Serbia that Brussels promotes. Nobody thinks Serbia is better off economically than the EU now but most see the East rising and the West failing even though living standards have not evened out yet. The trend is there ,so better for Serbia to go eastward into prosperity than stagnate sitting on the fence like now.

What were 'German' troops doing there? The were supposed to be UN troops. There is a subtle and different emphasis, and Merkle is on the wrong side of that emphasis.

The message to Serbia seems to be give up on the EU. I cannot ever see Serbia giving up on Kosovo, and in particular those in NKosovo who have a direct border imposed between them and their own country must find the imposition of Pristina impossible to understand or accept.

Perhaps Merkle should have a little chat with Bildt (who has begun to say what needs to be said about NKosovo) - then we might begin to lose some of the bigotry over NKosovo and gain some common sense.

In the meantime, I would suggest that Serbia continues to sign EU-like agreements with individual countries. The EU is almost certainly going to become more fragmentary. As an exporting country, Germany (like China) has gained much because other countries had to borrow to escape the recession. In time Germany will suffer if they allow the markets they export to to degenerate. They also wish to be the strong centre that runs the EU. Once Germany and France go a step too far, they will end up as being the residue of the Euro-zone, and the rest will evolve into a better structure with states having to show an higher degree of individuality - that is an environment that will suit Serbia much better than the current set up.

I just want to no one think do you serbs live in europe or in russia
And how much money did you get from EU til now and how much from
Your russian freindss..

szemi,

Seems that you need another lesson of education:

There's a big wide world outside of your Balkans. I'm from there. Born in a society where I can turn my back without fearing my things getting stolen right away. Or listening to people without having to think that most likely all I hear is just lies. When living in the Balkans locals blame this being a reason why it's occasionally hard for me to understand them and their behaviour. I've been willing to learn, and I've learnt this.

Tesla was a bright man, no doubt. Unfortunately he's dead by now. But feel free to ride on him, if you feel it proves a thing.

To all my Serbian friends here, Frau Merkel has done you all a big favour. You should be very thankful. Now get down on your hands and knees and kiss her arse. You too Zoran.
(Niall O'Doherty, 2 December 2011 15:21)
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Agreed, she has done us a big favour but do I really have to kiss her arse? :)

Olli, Serbia definitely needs improvement and it can learn some things from the EU, however, you are correct. Membership isn't that important if we can adopt the useful laws ourselves.

Tesla was a bright man, no doubt. Unfortunately he's dead by now. But feel free to ride on him, if you feel it proves a thing.
(Olli, 2 December 2011 17:05)

Hahe continued entertainment:DEar mistaken lame duck.I have as much to do with the balkans as albanians with legal car purchase.

Hahe continued entertainment:DEar mistaken lame duck.I have as much to do with the balkans as albanians with legal car purchase.
(szemi, 2 December 2011 18:08)
Szemi you look so angry men. Tell me the truth somebody has stolen your car? Calm men, we all hope that your car can be found as soon as possible. Just relax men. We all are living hard days, Albanian are everywhere and you never can be sure for your car :) Any way tell me what type is your car. If I see it in Tirana I’ll inform you. Relax relax relax….

No EU.Big deal,but the Serbs should give up Kosovo when the Jews give up Jerusalem.
(Nenad, 2 December 2011 12:59)

That's a funny comment but I say Serbs will get Kosova when they give up Vojvodina!
Right?

Denial is a diseases like alcoholism, drugs etc... There are steps that need to be taken for curing:
- First and foremost, you have to admit that you have a problem.
- Second, is to define a plan and setting goals how to get better?
- And third is to actually executing the plan...
I will say “Serbian Government” and political leaders need to go through this process cuz general people in Serbia don't care about Kosovo as long as they have a good lifestyle, good income, good health, free movement and secured life for their kids and grand kids.

szemi,

You asked in what form I'll pay the Greek debts.

I live in the part of Europe where we use MONEY as the medium of exchange. I understand if you have difficulties to comprehend this medium. But I recommend you'll study it. The day when also you move to use money, instead of exchanging skins, can't be very far.

Otherwise I must be thankful that I had chance to read your comment. It gave me an idea to write a satirical sketch of a Greek redneck and a Greek MP sharing common understanding. It starts about like this:

INT. A BAR - MIDDAY
Redneck: "Can you figure this, the billions we fooled from abroad have unfortunately disappeared into Albanian pockets."
MP: "S***, those Albos fed us our own medicine."

Thanks, szemi!

Ya Serbs are doing fine for a second I thought you were describing Serbia and Serbslavia. Which no one wanted to stay in with the Serbs that tried to usurp power to rob and kill to get rid of the rest majority. Ya Serbia is doing fine it is still free falling it hasn't hit terra firma. The saviour of the Serbs the Kremlin has unloaded some of the Serbian load so the landing mite be not as bad as first thought that's it keep positive upper chin up.
(Lenard, 2 December 2011 19:07)

Gosh Leonard, if anyone didn't know any better they would actually think you want Serbia to join the EU.

Of course no one wanted to stay with Serbia, you can offer izetbegovic and tudjman the position of president of Yugoslavia, hell you can even offer to rotate the roles around each of the countries, but you cannot offer them as much money as the west, you cannot offer them the false promise of glorious self dependence, and democracy. For Bosnia is now far worse off than it ever was, with the exception of RS. The croats and the bosnian muslims simply dont want to live together. And croatia has sold everything to join the EU, they have accepted democracy * cough capitalism cough * and now everything is privatised. They haven't even got freedom of press.

Now let me show you something :)

England
Public Debt to GDP ratio 83.190768...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 470.608965...%


France
Public Debt to GDP ratio 84.503795...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 254.668879...%


Germany
Public Debt to GDP ratio 90.772768...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 193.599654...%


Greece
Public Debt to GDP ratio 165.3365285...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 208.123178...%


Italy
Public Debt to GDP ratio 118.778588%

External Debt to GDP ratio 151.403997...%


Ireland
Public Debt to GDP ratio 135.898654...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 1214.408697...%


USA
Public Debt to GDP ratio 75.411778...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 102.568538...%

Now for Serbia's allies
Russia
Public Debt to GDP ratio 10.914405...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 47.034083...%


China
Public Debt to GDP ratio 14.741479%

External Debt to GDP ratio 10.084598%


India
Public Debt to GDP ratio 43.899144%

External Debt to GDP ratio 23.281182%

Now also given that your German allies stated that Serbia would join at a lower level, who do you think we are better off with?

The west or our real allies?

Kosovo will continue to be a stumbling block to EU accession. If you weigh up the pros and cons Serbia would be better off without Kosovo for many reason but because of a lingering national stubbornness in admitting this, foolish pride as well as a political deadlock on this issue Serbia will be stuck with Kosovo for a long time to come. In the mean time progress and economic development will be halted and EU accession will be like a wet dream.
The solution is easy. Give the Albanians their right to autonomy, as was instituted by Tito's government back in 1974 and resume normal relations without claim to its territory. For Serbia this is a win-win situation because EU access will be swift, thus providing stimulus to the economy and Serbia will not have to support Kosovo economically. As for the Kosovars good luck to them.

Whats all the ''keyboard warrior'' trolling? Diaspora doesn't want western style islamization in Serbia that Brussels promotes. Nobody thinks Serbia is better off economically than the EU now but most see the East rising and the West failing even though living standards have not evened out yet. The trend is there ,so better for Serbia to go eastward into prosperity than stagnate sitting on the fence like now.
(trizo, 2 December 2011 15:18)

This is another 'identity theft' where someone has taken my name and tried to cause discussion because obviously they believe the truth that noone here is listening to the Albanian mentality & therefore tried to steal the identity of someone with some credibility? :)

This just proves to me again that Albanians cannot win a debate without trying to deceive and mislead.

Agim,

It's not pathetic that diaspora share the same attitude as many in Serbia + all Serbs in Kosovo.

I don't know about all other Serbs on this English B92 but speaking for myself I have all my cousins and majority of my family live in Serbia in central Serbia and also in Belgrade city. I share the same opinion as all of them which proves that us "diaspora" are not just internet warriors.

I visit Serbia every year and in the last 2 years i've spent 11 months there... Most of us only live in western countries because our families were either prisoners of war or fled because of war.

The Nazi fascists were the only reason that I exist in a western country right now. My family had there homes blown away and destroyed so why is it pathetic that they had to reside in a western country when they had no other choice?

All my energy goes back to Serbia.

If a horse is born in a pig pen is it still a horse???

Just because we're born in another country (myself) doesn't not change who I am or where my history is. I am proud to be Serbian and I represent Serbia wherever I travel and enlighten people about the REAL Serbia and not the fake propaganda version that western media tend to illustrate.

You can take the Serb out of Serbia but you can't take Serbia out of the Serb ;)

We will win again and again because our spirit is stronger than yours. We've shown this in the past, what such a small nation can achieve. We resist to fascism and in the end we come out on top of you every time!

Zivela Srbija!

At least, Germans are consisent in their policy towards the Serbs. They were the first European country to recognize the independence of their old allies from WWII of Croatia and Slovenia. They were also the first to recognize the independence of Kosovo. They were also the first to say that Serbia does not meet conditions for the EU membership. So, poor Germans sound to me as a spokeswoman, for the international community.

Compare this with Serbia, if you can, although it probably is not possible - because in the last 20 years or even 100 years, the Serbs have always showed a delayed reaction to events around them and they never planned for the future .

To give you a clue, the EU is unlikely to survive for much longer, so Serbia start plannning now what is best for you, forget Tadic and his antics!

So, the 'cool kids' say you can't be a part of their crew? Good. The fewer 'unions' and international blending of policies there are, the better. Everyone can get along without having to be caught in one of these thinly veiled attempts at casting an economic fishnet over the entire planet. The longer you stay out of it, the longer you'll retain your own national identity and retain your own right to exist as your own nation.

US GDP/capita 46,860
Germany GDP/capita 36,081
UK GDP/capita 35,059

Sorry for only caring about my personal well being and wanting to live a better life. But, I do understand that some people prefer the poverty, so, yes, by all means you are free to ally yourself with the poor.
(icj1, 3 December 2011 16:40)

Have you asked any of the 52 million Americans on food stamps whether his or her income is $46860?Even better, can you calculate the income of a typical American nuclear family based on GDP/Capita statistics? I bet not.

Merkel is right. Peace and stability is the best for all countries BUT on the otherhand,I dont see a very long future in EU neither. By the way my country is EU AND SO we have a lot +'s but there are alot -'s aswell. Time will tell. Ms. Merkel dont take it to personally cos 2of your soldiers were injured. Civilians are trying to defend their rights. Apart the issue of wether Kosovo is Serbia these ppl are protecting the ownership of the properties, what is rightfully theirs.At the end of the day if both countries really want to join EU they have to come up with a realistic solution soon. Wishing you ALL THE BEST FOR PEACE NOT WAR (with or without EU)

Serbia GDP/capita 10,252

You mean real allies like the following:

China GDP/capita 7,544
India GDP/capita 3,408

I personally would prefer to have allies like:

US GDP/capita 46,860
Germany GDP/capita 36,081
UK GDP/capita 35,059

Sorry for only caring about my personal well being and wanting to live a better life. But, I do understand that some people prefer the poverty, so, yes, by all means you are free to ally yourself with the poor.
(icj1, 3 December 2011 16:40)

Oh I'm sorry, but you forgot to add in the part where the countries you stated people are in debt, given that they are all in or tilting on recession.

Population of India - 1,170,938,000 - 2010 estimate
Population of China 1,338,299,500 - 2010 estimate

Population of USA 307,006,550
Population of UK 62,218,761
Population of Germany 81,702,329

And now please take a look at this link and look at the countries you stated

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock?page=7


The poor in India and China are unfortunate, but they at least have learned to live in poverty. You must look at the poverty as a % of total population. What will your allies do if/when their entire population sinks into poverty if the economy slumps?

trizo

Putting aside your patrotic diatrabe about Serbia, let me ask you this, what gives you the right, to lecture Serbs on who to vote for, if you yourself have no stake in them? This is what I mean when I say you face a different reality to actual Serbian Serbs. Unemployment in Serbai is at 30%, there is an economic crisis...why should those people, take Kosovo into considertaion ABOVE say their economic health? Its easy for you to eulogize over Kosovo, because you do not deal with the struggles of ordinary Serbs, you deal with other things. This is why I am telling you that no matter how highly Kosovo and all the myths that go with it are to you, to the ones who live INSIDE Serbia, it is of very little value

@ shpetim It's less then 30% but in your fake state It's over 60%

"This is another 'identity theft' where someone has taken my name and tried to cause discussion because obviously they believe the truth that noone here is listening to the Albanian mentality & therefore tried to steal the identity of someone with some credibility? :) "
============================

You too? How many does that make now? It's obvious that Albanians don't have truth or credibility so they have to take our good names and try to discredit us with them.
How pathetic, and they don't even consider they cannot possibly get away with it.
They are contributing to their own demise.

Now also given that your German allies stated that Serbia would join at a lower level, who do you think we are better off with?

The west or our real allies?
(Goran., 3 December 2011 00:33)

Serbia GDP/capita 10,252

You mean real allies like the following:

China GDP/capita 7,544
India GDP/capita 3,408

I personally would prefer to have allies like:

US GDP/capita 46,860
Germany GDP/capita 36,081
UK GDP/capita 35,059

Sorry for only caring about my personal well being and wanting to live a better life. But, I do understand that some people prefer the poverty, so, yes, by all means you are free to ally yourself with the poor.

Shpetim,

All of my relatives in Serbia do not want to join the EU.

I want to improve the lives of Serbian citizens INSIDE Serbia, of course. But I don't think right now the EU is the answer.

We're still doing massive trade with Germany anyway + most other EU countries. The biggest difference is that we would be entitled to EU funds (we already receive EU funding) but Merkel & Sarkozy are insisting on EU Zone fiscal unions or stricter lending guidelines with punishment for those who don't adhere.

The EU is not in a position now to offer anything valuable, other than losing our integrity and our dignity. Why would we sell ourselves to this?

There are many other opportunities out there. If you've travelled the world (other than USA) then you will learn that it's a REALLY big place where even Germany is insignificant.

Read this article to learn something: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/west-looks-east-for-a-lifeline-20111202-1obc3.html

Ps: even though I've said it TWO times already, I'll say it again..... none of my personal relatives want to join the EU so I don't think you can tell me anymore that my opinion from my "armchair" is so different from those living in Serbia.

The poor in India and China are unfortunate, but they at least have learned to live in poverty.
(Goran., 4 December 2011 04:42)

So serbs should join the unfortunate Indians and Chinese and learn how to live in poverty to make you happy ?

For those Serbs which clearly don't understand what the German chancelor said:

No means No!
Yes means Yes!
"Not met criteria" means "not met criteria"!
Kosovo-and-EU policy means, you won't get anything.
Stop attacking KFOR.

Not really difficult to understand..

...she is of course, 100% right. your move Serbia

Kosovo will continue to be a stumbling block to EU accession. If you weigh up the pros and cons Serbia would be better off without Kosovo for many reason but because of a lingering national stubbornness in admitting this, foolish pride as well as a political deadlock on this issue Serbia will be stuck with Kosovo for a long time to come. In the mean time progress and economic development will be halted and EU accession will be like a wet dream.
The solution is easy. Give the Albanians their right to autonomy, as was instituted by Tito's government back in 1974 and resume normal relations without claim to its territory. For Serbia this is a win-win situation because EU access will be swift, thus providing stimulus to the economy and Serbia will not have to support Kosovo economically. As for the Kosovars good luck to them.

Serbia should speed up joining the EU otherwise further disintegration awaits. Since Merkel said today Nein, further disintegration is imminent. By the next year not only Kosovo recognition but also Vojvodina and Sanjak status will be new conditions to join the EU. If if it waits further Presevo valley and Zemun (claim by Croatia) may follow.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT DECISION! Well done! Way forward for Serbia, recognise officially Kosovo independence, enter in serious and meaningful talks with Kosovo authorities, real frendship agreement and both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Any other move means messing around and wasting money and energy. If Serbia doesn't want the above option the other one join Russia Federation like brothers in arms.

Leonidas,

It was you Greeks who blew your own thing. And it's your dishonesty that makes for example me to pay for your debts. And accusing anyone else only pinpoints your attitude of arrogant deceitfulness.

Whenever I spoke with Greeks they gave me lectures of Greece as the cradle of democracy. The people who gave democracy to the whole world. And now you play like you have nothing to do with the debts of Greece. But that others are guilty. Hooray!

Thanks Germany, you just saved us from yourselves

I am still pretty much amazed by Tadic's and Co insistence to join this discredited union called EU.Why doesn't Tadic ask himself a simple question which is "what are the benefits of joining the EU"?Why Tadic doesn't look at the Greek experience and draw some lessons?It suffices to say that back in 1981-when Greece joined the EU-total public debt was in the region of $22 billion as opposed to 360 billion Euros at present.
So much for EU membership.

The Greeks as well as the rest of the EU citizens were lied to in their belief they were joining a trade association whereby goods,services and people were moving freely across the EU.Instead they're saddled with a three tier EU with the German dictators not only dictating the agenda but also being able to bypass the will of sovereign people and install their own puppet governments.This is exactly what happened in Greece and Italy.

As someone who has got Serbia's best interests at heart I pray that ordinary Serbs will fight tooth and nail to keep their sovereignty and independence.

“At the moment Serbia does not meet the conditions of the EU accession process,” Merkel said in a release issued by the German government ahead of the forthcoming EU summit, which is due on Friday, December 9.

Thank you so every much Merkel, sincerely. You may be a forest swine yet by keeping us (Serbians) out of this bankrupt, corrupt, and defunct union you are prolonging the survival of the Serbian people.

And I must express my gratitude and support for the Serbians in Kosovo, especially those who build three new barricades for every one that neo-nazis destroy as they strive to promote freedom of movement(???)whilst avoiding albanian crimes at all costs.

szemi,

Seems that you need another lesson of education:

There's a big wide world outside of your Balkans. I'm from there. Born in a society where I can turn my back without fearing my things getting stolen right away. Or listening to people without having to think that most likely all I hear is just lies. When living in the Balkans locals blame this being a reason why it's occasionally hard for me to understand them and their behaviour. I've been willing to learn, and I've learnt this.

Tesla was a bright man, no doubt. Unfortunately he's dead by now. But feel free to ride on him, if you feel it proves a thing.

It is funny when they say neighbours.

Which neighbours?

The Albanians have not only stolen the Serbs' land, but they have expelled 300 000 Serbs from Kosovo with the protection of German Soldiers without beeing cracked down on by BERLIN.

The Germans are once again raping Serbia and the Serbs. Maybe they still remember the support they had from Albanians in Kosovo during WWII.1 million Serbs was murdered during WWII a majority of them massacred by Germans, Albanians, Muslims and Croatians.

LOL! That's totally fine. The EU=almost finished which means the Albanians in Kosovo are almost totally finished :)

Nema Predaje

Good and bad news... The bad news is that we have a neighbour (Serbia) who is not civilized enough to get in Europe, and the good news is that EU is not giving the freebes anymore. It is about time where Serbia should accept the reality and encourage the redognition of Kosovo in the UN, plus try try to make lives of Kosovo serbs better, and not encourage them to build baricades and shoot at the KFOR soldiers.

Leonidas,

It was you Greeks who blew your own thing. And it's your dishonesty that makes for example me to pay for your debts. And accusing anyone else only pinpoints your attitude of arrogant deceitfulness.

Whenever I spoke with Greeks they gave me lectures of Greece as the cradle of democracy. The people who gave democracy to the whole world. And now you play like you have nothing to do with the debts of Greece. But that others are guilty. Hooray!
(Olli, 2 December 2011 13:33)

Oh you pay the greek debts.HAHA what a joke!In what form if I may ask.Albanians are not famous for paying taxes in their host countries.I have never known that running bordel rings,car theft and drug business generate taxable income.So do not play the generous OLaf here.It is for the time being the swiws,italian and first of all greek taxpayers who work hard to pay the cost of albanian criminals sitting in their prisons.Additinally it is the area between Monasiraki and Omonia square in Athens which is flooded with albanians begging for eurocents.And let us not forget about billions of euroes of eu taxpayers disappering in the black hole called independent Kosova.Add to it the total price of those stolen expensive cars running on the roads of Albanian and kosovan roads and you will have a full picture who is the biggest parazite in Europe.

The German chancellor pointed out that “Serbia contributed to an atmosphere in which German KFOR troops were attacked and wounded with firearms in the previous days”.

“I say it is unacceptable,” Merkel stressed.'

I say having Fourth Reich soldiers firing on Serbian protersters is unacceptable and a war crime. Although I am very happy with this news, as it will keep Serbia out of that German run club and keep Serbia free and independent, I am amazed at the lies and propoganda demonizing Serbia once again coming out of German officials. Guido, Angela, and co. are goose stepping in unison, singing the same tune, and all repeating the same lies, that unarmed Serbs attacked the poor German heavily armed occupiers. They have learned well from their mentor, Josef Goebbels.
Meanwhile, Croatia, they have Nazi concerts attended by government officials, they don't allow ethnicaly cleansed Serbs back and discriminate against them at every turn, they praise war criminals, they celebrate genocide as a public holiday, and they are deemed worthy of having EU values.
This is the upside down Orwellian world we live in, where Nazis can fire on peaceful protesters, ethnicaly cleanse their whole population of minorities, illegaly give away someone else's land to organ snatchers, and then accuse the victim of being an extremist.
Not getting membership to this club, who hates your freedom and independent spirit, is a huge blessing. Thank God!
Cheers!!

No EU.Big deal,but the Serbs should give up Kosovo when the Jews give up Jerusalem.

What were 'German' troops doing there? The were supposed to be UN troops. There is a subtle and different emphasis, and Merkle is on the wrong side of that emphasis.

The message to Serbia seems to be give up on the EU. I cannot ever see Serbia giving up on Kosovo, and in particular those in NKosovo who have a direct border imposed between them and their own country must find the imposition of Pristina impossible to understand or accept.

Perhaps Merkle should have a little chat with Bildt (who has begun to say what needs to be said about NKosovo) - then we might begin to lose some of the bigotry over NKosovo and gain some common sense.

In the meantime, I would suggest that Serbia continues to sign EU-like agreements with individual countries. The EU is almost certainly going to become more fragmentary. As an exporting country, Germany (like China) has gained much because other countries had to borrow to escape the recession. In time Germany will suffer if they allow the markets they export to to degenerate. They also wish to be the strong centre that runs the EU. Once Germany and France go a step too far, they will end up as being the residue of the Euro-zone, and the rest will evolve into a better structure with states having to show an higher degree of individuality - that is an environment that will suit Serbia much better than the current set up.

Denial is a diseases like alcoholism, drugs etc... There are steps that need to be taken for curing:
- First and foremost, you have to admit that you have a problem.
- Second, is to define a plan and setting goals how to get better?
- And third is to actually executing the plan...
I will say “Serbian Government” and political leaders need to go through this process cuz general people in Serbia don't care about Kosovo as long as they have a good lifestyle, good income, good health, free movement and secured life for their kids and grand kids.
(AJ Canada, 2 December 2011 15:13)

To my friend AJ Canada,(denial of Kosovo as serbian land was never an option)!

Buddy you are so far off.....do not forget you are talking to the nation that would rather fall and die than to ever accept to be someone elses slave...germans should start looking somewhere else....serbs r not going anywhere..kosovo shall be serbian land again...Russia & china is watching...merkel..u can just f..k o.. and leave Kosovo to their righful owners...Serbs

Battle of kosovo 1389..translate if you need to....check it out from 3:10 to 3:47...To all those who dont get it...americans even today celebrate the battle of alamo...it was about few who stood against many(mexican army)....retreat is not an option...at least when it comes down to serbs.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr5YbVNr-XQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr5YbVNr-XQ

Good and bad news... The bad news is that we have a neighbour (Serbia) who is not civilized enough ... try try to make lives of Kosovo serbs better, and not encourage them to build baricades and shoot at the KFOR soldiers.
(kosovaman, 2 December 2
Wow! What a civilized man...you forgot to highlight your real values such as making serb's life much better by removing the organs,human trafficking, smuggling, theft at european scale, desecrating tombs, destroying churches, destroying the houses and we can continue all day long. Kosova is just a paradise and you are an Angel of peace. Amen!

The German chancellor pointed out that “Serbia contributed to an atmosphere in which German KFOR troops were attacked and wounded with firearms in the previous days”.

Like KFOR (escpecially German and Austrian parts) not conducting acoording to UN1244 and not having an impartial stance had nothing to do with it? Nor shooting Serbs with rubber and live ammunition.
"Serbien muss sterbien" was the motto long ago and still is.

You have to love the responses from the Serb camp, all of you keep bragging that Serbia will keep her identity, you want to keep your independence, Serbia is better off outside of EC and bla,bla bla.

However all of you keyboard warriors are based abroad, if you think that Serbia is better off why don't you all move back to Serbia if its that good,

pathetic!

Denial is a diseases like alcoholism, drugs etc... There are steps that need to be taken for curing:
- First and foremost, you have to admit that you have a problem.
- Second, is to define a plan and setting goals how to get better?
- And third is to actually executing the plan...
I will say “Serbian Government” and political leaders need to go through this process cuz general people in Serbia don't care about Kosovo as long as they have a good lifestyle, good income, good health, free movement and secured life for their kids and grand kids.

Don't you think is a bit rich for Albanians to give lectures to Greeks about honesty?90% of cars in Albania are stolen from Western European countries-a lot of them from Greece-not to mention the fact that the Governor of the bank of Albania had his car confiscated in Italy because it was stolen or The Albanian Interior minister having his Merc confiscated by the Greek border guards as it was stolen from Switzerland.

If the Greeks lied so did the Germans,the French,the Italians,the Spanish,the Portugese and the Irish.But Turco-Albanians like yourself that have a grudge against the Greeks wouldn't be interested on facts but just on innuendos.
(Leonidas, 2 December 2011 15:49)

What happened to you dude?Did you drink too much ouzo ?Do you really think that 10 % of cars in Albania are possesed throug purches.I think there is not any.If it turned out that somebody bought the car that person would be immidiatelly imprisoned for betraying albanian traditions.

"Serbia doesn't want it! It is the DS who want it. Thank God we now know how to stop this policy to sell Serbia to the EU.
(Zoran, 2 December 2011 12:44)

Famous words of Serbia's official spokesperson Zoran - only he knows what 'Serbia' wants.

They elections next spring will show it a bit more accurate. I'm curious about the results...

No EU.Big deal,but the Serbs should give up Kosovo when the Jews give up Jerusalem.
(Nenad, 2 December 2011 12:59)

That's a funny comment but I say Serbs will get Kosova when they give up Vojvodina!
Right?

It was you Greeks who blew your own thing. And it's your dishonesty that makes for example me to pay for your debts. And accusing anyone else only pinpoints your attitude of arrogant deceitfulness.

Whenever I spoke with Greeks they gave me lectures of Greece as the cradle of democracy. The people who gave democracy to the whole world. And now you play like you have nothing to do with the debts of Greece. But that others are guilty. Hooray!
(Olli, 2 December 2011 13:33)

Don't you think is a bit rich for Albanians to give lectures to Greeks about honesty?90% of cars in Albania are stolen from Western European countries-a lot of them from Greece-not to mention the fact that the Governor of the bank of Albania had his car confiscated in Italy because it was stolen or The Albanian Interior minister having his Merc confiscated by the Greek border guards as it was stolen from Switzerland.

If the Greeks lied so did the Germans,the French,the Italians,the Spanish,the Portugese and the Irish.But Turco-Albanians like yourself that have a grudge against the Greeks wouldn't be interested on facts but just on innuendos.

Olli, Serbia definitely needs improvement and it can learn some things from the EU, however, you are correct. Membership isn't that important if we can adopt the useful laws ourselves.
(Zoran, 2 December 2011 18:15) Good one Zoran yes democratic Serbia has introduced useful laws to rob and steal http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property http://www.nacional.hr/en/clanak/50512/inas-lawsuit-threatens-top-serbian-ranks your neighbours are very impressed. This is from the "reasonable good" side of Serb politics government just think of the other side of the Serb coin. Just keep thinking good thoughts they mite come true of Serbia and Serbs your neighbours prefer to live in reality it was a hard taught lesson thank you Serbs.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT DECISION! Well done! Way forward for Serbia, recognise officially Kosovo independence, enter in serious and meaningful talks with Kosovo authorities, real frendship agreement and both Kosovo and Serbia in EU. Any other move means messing around and wasting money and energy. If Serbia doesn't want the above option the other one join Russia Federation like brothers in arms.
(EA, 2 December 2011 12:36)

What are the benefits of joining this EU? As many talk abut mysterious club, but what do you get if you join?
So far I have not read one posting that can explain just what is the EU and what it means to join.

"They elections next spring will show it a bit more accurate. I'm curious about the results..."

Zero doubt in my mind that Tadic will win again. Serbs in Serbia (not those here who DONT live in Serbia) don't give a rats ass about kosovo. They have to contend with everyday things like, need for work, need for education, healthcare, social security. Kosovo is bottom of the list. i bet my left arm and right leg that a pro-EU party is going to win. those who scream Kosovo, Kosovo are not offering Serbs anything in real terms. they are feeding them an illusion

Few brief remarks:

1. Merkel throws gasoline to fire. She's not able to put causes and effects in their right places.

2. If the EU says no to Serbia's candidacy it's the worst possible news to Kosovo Albanians.

3. If the EU says no to Serbia's candidacy it means the EU openly betrays Serbia.

4. Serbia's progression and bright future doesn't depend on the candidacy-or-not question, neither on the EU membership-or-not question. It depends on education, on will to learn, on building trust and cooperation skills, on giving value to human development. These are matters that can be adopted regardless the EU candidacy or membership. The idea that Serbia and Serbian citizenry has nothing to learn from anyone must be rejected.

5. Unity doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same. It means mutual trust.

szemi,

You asked in what form I'll pay the Greek debts.

I live in the part of Europe where we use MONEY as the medium of exchange. I understand if you have difficulties to comprehend this medium. But I recommend you'll study it. The day when also you move to use money, instead of exchanging skins, can't be very far.

Otherwise I must be thankful that I had chance to read your comment. It gave me an idea to write a satirical sketch of a Greek redneck and a Greek MP sharing common understanding. It starts about like this:

INT. A BAR - MIDDAY
Redneck: "Can you figure this, the billions we fooled from abroad have unfortunately disappeared into Albanian pockets."
MP: "S***, those Albos fed us our own medicine."

Thanks, szemi!
(Olli, 2 December 2011 15:33)

Oh you albanians never cease to entertain.Maybe instead of running drug and bordel rings you should move to entertainment business.Who knows you may be undisovered talents:It could even turn out finally you have talent for something.Thanks for education about the nature of money.It suggests that not long ago you were used to the kind of barter trade you describe in your comment before being taken in a boot of a stolen car to some developed country where your little eyes opened.You realized what everyone including me knows that money is a means of exchange ,but since you come fro an area where this fact is not know you supposed there are others who are not aware of it either.Keep educating youself it is never to late.Also could you enlighten me why there is not any famous albanian economist,sportsmen or matematician?All time underachivers educating and critzizing others .Joke of the century.

Thank you so every much Merkel, sincerely. You may be a forest swine yet by keeping us (Serbians) out of this bankrupt, corrupt, and defunct union you are prolonging the survival of the Serbian people.

Ya Serbs are doing fine for a second I thought you were describing Serbia and Serbslavia. Which no one wanted to stay in with the Serbs that tried to usurp power to rob and kill to get rid of the rest majority. Ya Serbia is doing fine it is still free falling it hasn't hit terra firma. The saviour of the Serbs the Kremlin has unloaded some of the Serbian load so the landing mite be not as bad as first thought that's it keep positive upper chin up.
(Goran., 2 December 2011 11:49)

Hahe continued entertainment:DEar mistaken lame duck.I have as much to do with the balkans as albanians with legal car purchase.
(szemi, 2 December 2011 18:08)
Szemi you look so angry men. Tell me the truth somebody has stolen your car? Calm men, we all hope that your car can be found as soon as possible. Just relax men. We all are living hard days, Albanian are everywhere and you never can be sure for your car :) Any way tell me what type is your car. If I see it in Tirana I’ll inform you. Relax relax relax….

Too bad for you too EA, without Serbia in the EU, what do you think the chances are that Kosovo will ever be in the EU? Right, it's zero. I praise the Serbs for their principle stance, something you are obviously not familiar with. Instead of listening to that German, Serbs are standing for something. Why capitulate to everyone? Unlike the Ethnic Albanian Government in Kosovo which fails to change one bit, Serbs have bent over backwards to increase the economic and political stability of their nation. Your brothers on the other hand, did nothing but continue to rob its own people. Enjoy living in filth for ever. Too bad you won't be in the EU either:-)

Leonidas,

I thought it would be more obvious to you why Tadic isn't weighing up those factors in his stance on EU/Kosovo.

He is maturing and has probably lost a lot of patriotism & is no longer showing 'leadership' qualities but rather a more self motivated objective.

He will obtain generous amounts of $$$ if he continues the path of EU accession & more if he succeeds. But it is clear to the majority of Serbs that he is not treating our fellow countrymen in KiM as Serbs of our state. He is now telling them to remove the barricades and telling KFOR to stop trying to remove them. He is basically trying to do KFOR's job for them.

We can be confident for a few reasons:
1) We are not going into the EU in times of such uncertainty.
2) We don't have to do @$%! of what Germany 'tell' us.
3) Our brothers in KiM are continuing to build more barricades which are proving a major headache to NATO & the criminals in Pristina + the Albanian internet warriors.
4) There is absolutely NO worry whatsoever if we do not 'pass' the test to get the EU candidacy because we can join later if need be when the circumstances are more favourable to us.
5) Germany are so loud to say "good neighbourly relations" in Europe when nobody in their right mind will ever trust that country again.

I am so happy that Merkel says Serbia is not ready. It's a blessing in disguise & we must concentrate on other economies. Even if we became candidates we would still be 6+ years away from becoming an EU member.

Volim te Srbijo!

szemi,

You asked in what form I'll pay the Greek debts.

I live in the part of Europe where we use MONEY as the medium of exchange. I understand if you have difficulties to comprehend this medium. But I recommend you'll study it. The day when also you move to use money, instead of exchanging skins, can't be very far.

Otherwise I must be thankful that I had chance to read your comment. It gave me an idea to write a satirical sketch of a Greek redneck and a Greek MP sharing common understanding. It starts about like this:

INT. A BAR - MIDDAY
Redneck: "Can you figure this, the billions we fooled from abroad have unfortunately disappeared into Albanian pockets."
MP: "S***, those Albos fed us our own medicine."

Thanks, szemi!

Its amazing how every non-Serb here sees this as a victory while the Serbs see it as a victory as well..


I am Serbian I dont want the EU... this is the biggest piece of good news Ive heard today... thank you Merkel

Well,

if Serbia hasnt learnt by now how the EU thinks then will not ever do.
Lies,lies ,promises,lies,Serbia gets smaller,smaller,weaker,people get poorer,
kapitalists get richer,richer,politicians get fatter,fatter.

If Serbia is smart,nowthey should join Russian bloc,install their weapons and systems,long range and mid range,latest radars and air defenses,then close the borders of Serbian Kosovo and kiss the Europe good buy and end any relationships with those enemy Countries.

For two to be in love it takes love from both sides.

As for the Germany ,Germany was always been the Germany,and I t always needs the Germany...So who really needs the Germany and her ugly ministers.

I just want to no one think do you serbs live in europe or in russia
And how much money did you get from EU til now and how much from
Your russian freindss..

Danke Frau Merkel!
Serbs dont want joining a Gang who supports ethnic Cleansing on Serbs!
And if they want they are Sick in the Head....
Its Time to remove some People of the Goverment who are working only Kontra Serbia.

Serbia is hoping to get the EU candidate status at the EU summit on December 9.
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Serbia doesn't want it! It is the DS who want it. Thank God we now know how to stop this policy to sell Serbia to the EU. Serbia will not be joining and that is a good development. I'm not too sure how KiM Albanians feel about that but they won't be a part of it either. In fact, I think Croatia will be the last country to join before the EU collapses under its own debt. Romania and Bulgaria will be the first countries to leave.

Merkel's words are irrelevant before the vote on December the 9. It is literally a war of words and Germany's means to bring further pressure to bear on Serbia to betray their own citizens before the 9th. Merkel seems to think that german soldiers are immune from crimes against humanity. I hope the rest of Euorpe has noted this.

So, let Germany veto Serbia's candidate status on the 9th and then face the consequences. Until then, it is all meaningless.

So we know what to expect on the 9th. At least then we can throw off the more cautionary aspects of government policy and get more openly militant on Kosmet. They will sing a different tune when Moscow is supplying their energy needs after 2015. In otherwords, the EU wont be so anti-European and anti-eastern.

To all those that understand serbian language. Little bit of music....halid beslic....Necu necu dijamamte....if you replace dijamante/diamonds with EU instead ....dusa nebi drugu htjela nego tebe(kosovo) je zavoljela....tonight canadianserbs will celebrate all over......proud to be a serb...sa verom u boga....the spirit of martir obilic, car lazar, 9 jugovica i stari jug bogdan....lives on....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4TNFfGfpg&feature=fvwrel

Timber wolf

"Best news i've heard yet! Belonging to the eu is like belonging to a gang, who needs it? Be responsible for your own nation!"

Yes I'm sure Serbian politicians and their voters will be just as responsible as they've been these past twenty years in which Serbia has descended from being the most powerful country in Former Yugoslavia to being a basket case on the verge of bankruptcy and internal instability. Being a Russian or Turkish client state won't be any better for Serbia since they will simply sell all their public assets for cents on the dollar with little to no benefits for ordinary Serbian citizens. As long as the church and fanatical nationalist parties run the show (as they have in the past twenty years) Serbia will continue its downward spiral. "Back to Milosevic" is not a rallying cry for progress and if Tadic is replaced with the old Milosevic aparatchicks Serbia will once again find itself isolated, poor, and with some very upset minority groups that will demand further autonomy and rights, and with very little hope of progress. Will the Serbian people ever learn from history or will this tragedy continue to take place for another twenty years?

trizo

I am guessing that you are one of those in the diaspora. Serbs in Serbia though do not have opportunities that you do in the West (I'm assuming you don't live in China or Russia), they need improvements to their lives now. Whilst you yourself have time to indulge in myths like 'Kosovo', those in Nis, Jagodina, Valjevo, Vrsac...have to worry about everyday things...like work, education...you know really simple things that those in the West take for granted. So you are talking from a different reality. You do not face the challenges that the ordinary Serb in Serbia faces. They have no time to think of Kosovo, a land which is inhabited by Albanians mostly anyway. That is why I tell you a pro EU party will win. You can lecture them from the bosom of your armchair till kingdom come, but you will see who is going to win the elections and it really isn't going to be the 'Kosovo or Nothing' party

No means No!
Yes means Yes!
"Not met criteria" means "not met criteria"!
Kosovo-and-EU policy means, you won't get anything.
Stop attacking KFOR.

Not really difficult to understand..
(Berk., 2 December 2011 12:03)
I
The way of your thinking is pure a nazi-thinking. You just bark as your mistress does. Keep it loud!

To all my Serbian friends here, Frau Merkel has done you all a big favour. You should be very thankful. Now get down on your hands and knees and kiss her arse. You too Zoran.

(Niall O'Doherty, 2 December 2011 15:21)

Zorane,
It could be worse, at least you don't have to kiss Madeline Albright's arse. LOL
http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/fall-berlusconi/2191/berlusconi-%E2%80%98called-merkel-unfuckable-lard-arse%E2%80%99
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d5L9rf67Sco/SZr1nX2mQkI/AAAAAAAABV8/yZHwyytJ5Yo/s400/madeleine-albright.jpg

To all my Serbian friends here, Frau Merkel has done you all a big favour. You should be very thankful. Now get down on your hands and knees and kiss her arse. You too Zoran.

Massive bullet dodged.

To all my Albanian friends here, there goes your chances of joining the EU.

O Happy Day

Oh happy day
Oh happy day
Oh happy happy day;
Oh happy day
When Jesus washed
Oh when he washed
When Jesus washed
He washed my sins away!

He taught me how to fight, he taught me
Taught me how to watch, he taught me how to watch
and fight and pray, fight and pray
yes, fight and pray

And he'll rejoice, and He'll,
and He'll rejoice in things we say
and He'll rejoice in things we say
things we say, yes, things we say

Oh happy day, Oh happy day
Oh happy day, Oh happy day
Oh happy day
Oh happy day

Oh happy day, Oh happy day
When Jesus washed
Oh when he washed
He washed my sins away
He tought me how
to watch, fight and pray
fight and pray
Oh happy day, Oh happy day
When Jesus washed
Oh when he washed
He washed my sins away
We´ll live rejoicing
ev´ry day, ev´ry day
Oh happy day, Oh happy day
When Jesus washed
Oh when he washed
He washed my sins away

As we all know, Merkel herself is a masterpiece of turncoat. If necessary, she is a daughter of a priest who reported on his fellow clergymen to STASI. If necessary, she is a daughter of a prosecuted priest. She knoew whom and when to marry... and whom and when to divorce.

For me, she is the symbol of a CLEVER politician who is honesty-challenged and knowa where the wind blows from... and Gemany's (in particular, DDR-s) shame.

Said that - the news is in the fact good news. I hope, it stays that way. Regardless, I also hope, Gemans will vote her out... Germany does not need Merkel. There aren't many "black" (CDU / CSU) politicians in Germany I have respect for. She is the shame of her otherwise not very respectable party.

i think ms. merkel is forgetting that the first bullets fired by german soldiers since world war ii killed 2 serbs driving a yellow lada in 1999.

BERLIN -- German Chancellor Angela Merkel stated on Friday that Serbia did not meet the conditions for obtaining the EU candidate status at the moment.

Conditions which I assume are subservience to larger political entities and international banks, readiness to abandon one's national sovereignty, rapid privatization before the creation of strong political institutions, and a general willingness to sacrifice increasing amount of democratic transparency for economic stability. Better for Serbia to remain poor and peripheral but still able to control its own political and economic destiny outside the EU than to be a poor and peripheral country at the mercy of the German-controlled ECB as a reward for meeting all the right "conditions".

Best news i've heard yet! Belonging to the eu is like belonging to a gang, who needs it? Be responsible for your own nation!

Whats all the ''keyboard warrior'' trolling? Diaspora doesn't want western style islamization in Serbia that Brussels promotes. Nobody thinks Serbia is better off economically than the EU now but most see the East rising and the West failing even though living standards have not evened out yet. The trend is there ,so better for Serbia to go eastward into prosperity than stagnate sitting on the fence like now.

THANK YOU MERKEL!!!
I knew you were good for something.

Tesla was a bright man, no doubt. Unfortunately he's dead by now. But feel free to ride on him, if you feel it proves a thing.
(Olli, 2 December 2011 17:05)

Hahe continued entertainment:DEar mistaken lame duck.I have as much to do with the balkans as albanians with legal car purchase.

To all my Serbian friends here, Frau Merkel has done you all a big favour. You should be very thankful. Now get down on your hands and knees and kiss her arse. You too Zoran.
(Niall O'Doherty, 2 December 2011 15:21)
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Agreed, she has done us a big favour but do I really have to kiss her arse? :)

Olli, Serbia definitely needs improvement and it can learn some things from the EU, however, you are correct. Membership isn't that important if we can adopt the useful laws ourselves.

Good. Now that Europe's Fuhrerin has spoken, it's time for Tadic and Co. to stop this charade of selling themselves down the river for membership in an organization on the verge of collapse, or at best will hobble along while peripheral countries like in the Balkans will be secondary countries to a northern European core. Serbia is already doing business with European countries that want to do business with it. Also, by not being a tool of the EU, it can continue to do business with non-EU members like Russia or China. Since we know Serbia isn't wanted, Tadic might as well throw his weight behind the Serbs in Kosovo and wait for another opportunity if it comes. Save the groveling and begging at German feet for Croats and Albanians. They have a better history of doing that anyway :)

Ya Serbs are doing fine for a second I thought you were describing Serbia and Serbslavia. Which no one wanted to stay in with the Serbs that tried to usurp power to rob and kill to get rid of the rest majority. Ya Serbia is doing fine it is still free falling it hasn't hit terra firma. The saviour of the Serbs the Kremlin has unloaded some of the Serbian load so the landing mite be not as bad as first thought that's it keep positive upper chin up.
(Lenard, 2 December 2011 19:07)

Gosh Leonard, if anyone didn't know any better they would actually think you want Serbia to join the EU.

Of course no one wanted to stay with Serbia, you can offer izetbegovic and tudjman the position of president of Yugoslavia, hell you can even offer to rotate the roles around each of the countries, but you cannot offer them as much money as the west, you cannot offer them the false promise of glorious self dependence, and democracy. For Bosnia is now far worse off than it ever was, with the exception of RS. The croats and the bosnian muslims simply dont want to live together. And croatia has sold everything to join the EU, they have accepted democracy * cough capitalism cough * and now everything is privatised. They haven't even got freedom of press.

Now let me show you something :)

England
Public Debt to GDP ratio 83.190768...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 470.608965...%


France
Public Debt to GDP ratio 84.503795...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 254.668879...%


Germany
Public Debt to GDP ratio 90.772768...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 193.599654...%


Greece
Public Debt to GDP ratio 165.3365285...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 208.123178...%


Italy
Public Debt to GDP ratio 118.778588%

External Debt to GDP ratio 151.403997...%


Ireland
Public Debt to GDP ratio 135.898654...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 1214.408697...%


USA
Public Debt to GDP ratio 75.411778...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 102.568538...%

Now for Serbia's allies
Russia
Public Debt to GDP ratio 10.914405...%

External Debt to GDP ratio 47.034083...%


China
Public Debt to GDP ratio 14.741479%

External Debt to GDP ratio 10.084598%


India
Public Debt to GDP ratio 43.899144%

External Debt to GDP ratio 23.281182%

Now also given that your German allies stated that Serbia would join at a lower level, who do you think we are better off with?

The west or our real allies?

Whats all the ''keyboard warrior'' trolling? Diaspora doesn't want western style islamization in Serbia that Brussels promotes. Nobody thinks Serbia is better off economically than the EU now but most see the East rising and the West failing even though living standards have not evened out yet. The trend is there ,so better for Serbia to go eastward into prosperity than stagnate sitting on the fence like now.
(trizo, 2 December 2011 15:18)

This is another 'identity theft' where someone has taken my name and tried to cause discussion because obviously they believe the truth that noone here is listening to the Albanian mentality & therefore tried to steal the identity of someone with some credibility? :)

This just proves to me again that Albanians cannot win a debate without trying to deceive and mislead.

Agim,

It's not pathetic that diaspora share the same attitude as many in Serbia + all Serbs in Kosovo.

I don't know about all other Serbs on this English B92 but speaking for myself I have all my cousins and majority of my family live in Serbia in central Serbia and also in Belgrade city. I share the same opinion as all of them which proves that us "diaspora" are not just internet warriors.

I visit Serbia every year and in the last 2 years i've spent 11 months there... Most of us only live in western countries because our families were either prisoners of war or fled because of war.

The Nazi fascists were the only reason that I exist in a western country right now. My family had there homes blown away and destroyed so why is it pathetic that they had to reside in a western country when they had no other choice?

All my energy goes back to Serbia.

If a horse is born in a pig pen is it still a horse???

Just because we're born in another country (myself) doesn't not change who I am or where my history is. I am proud to be Serbian and I represent Serbia wherever I travel and enlighten people about the REAL Serbia and not the fake propaganda version that western media tend to illustrate.

You can take the Serb out of Serbia but you can't take Serbia out of the Serb ;)

We will win again and again because our spirit is stronger than yours. We've shown this in the past, what such a small nation can achieve. We resist to fascism and in the end we come out on top of you every time!

Zivela Srbija!

1) I am not Serbian but I am a Serbian zet
2) I don't like the EU and don't want Serbia in it
3) If Kosovo remains a part of Serbia, in 30 years (estimating here) the Albanian population will be large enough to win elections and control ALL of Serbia.
4) I have absolutely no idea how to solve the problem of Kosovo so that both southern and northern parts are content and the rest of Serbia is also. I also don;t know how to solve it so that everyone is equally unhappy.
5) The call to arms on here is easy when they aren't your arms that may be blown off.
6) How is it that so many ex-yugoslavian countries wound up in the same world cup qualifying group?

Merkel is right. Peace and stability is the best for all countries BUT on the otherhand,I dont see a very long future in EU neither. By the way my country is EU AND SO we have a lot +'s but there are alot -'s aswell. Time will tell. Ms. Merkel dont take it to personally cos 2of your soldiers were injured. Civilians are trying to defend their rights. Apart the issue of wether Kosovo is Serbia these ppl are protecting the ownership of the properties, what is rightfully theirs.At the end of the day if both countries really want to join EU they have to come up with a realistic solution soon. Wishing you ALL THE BEST FOR PEACE NOT WAR (with or without EU)

At least, Germans are consisent in their policy towards the Serbs. They were the first European country to recognize the independence of their old allies from WWII of Croatia and Slovenia. They were also the first to recognize the independence of Kosovo. They were also the first to say that Serbia does not meet conditions for the EU membership. So, poor Germans sound to me as a spokeswoman, for the international community.

Compare this with Serbia, if you can, although it probably is not possible - because in the last 20 years or even 100 years, the Serbs have always showed a delayed reaction to events around them and they never planned for the future .

To give you a clue, the EU is unlikely to survive for much longer, so Serbia start plannning now what is best for you, forget Tadic and his antics!

trizo

Putting aside your patrotic diatrabe about Serbia, let me ask you this, what gives you the right, to lecture Serbs on who to vote for, if you yourself have no stake in them? This is what I mean when I say you face a different reality to actual Serbian Serbs. Unemployment in Serbai is at 30%, there is an economic crisis...why should those people, take Kosovo into considertaion ABOVE say their economic health? Its easy for you to eulogize over Kosovo, because you do not deal with the struggles of ordinary Serbs, you deal with other things. This is why I am telling you that no matter how highly Kosovo and all the myths that go with it are to you, to the ones who live INSIDE Serbia, it is of very little value

Now also given that your German allies stated that Serbia would join at a lower level, who do you think we are better off with?

The west or our real allies?
(Goran., 3 December 2011 00:33)

Serbia GDP/capita 10,252

You mean real allies like the following:

China GDP/capita 7,544
India GDP/capita 3,408

I personally would prefer to have allies like:

US GDP/capita 46,860
Germany GDP/capita 36,081
UK GDP/capita 35,059

Sorry for only caring about my personal well being and wanting to live a better life. But, I do understand that some people prefer the poverty, so, yes, by all means you are free to ally yourself with the poor.

So, the 'cool kids' say you can't be a part of their crew? Good. The fewer 'unions' and international blending of policies there are, the better. Everyone can get along without having to be caught in one of these thinly veiled attempts at casting an economic fishnet over the entire planet. The longer you stay out of it, the longer you'll retain your own national identity and retain your own right to exist as your own nation.

@ shpetim It's less then 30% but in your fake state It's over 60%

US GDP/capita 46,860
Germany GDP/capita 36,081
UK GDP/capita 35,059

Sorry for only caring about my personal well being and wanting to live a better life. But, I do understand that some people prefer the poverty, so, yes, by all means you are free to ally yourself with the poor.
(icj1, 3 December 2011 16:40)

Have you asked any of the 52 million Americans on food stamps whether his or her income is $46860?Even better, can you calculate the income of a typical American nuclear family based on GDP/Capita statistics? I bet not.

Shpetim,

All of my relatives in Serbia do not want to join the EU.

I want to improve the lives of Serbian citizens INSIDE Serbia, of course. But I don't think right now the EU is the answer.

We're still doing massive trade with Germany anyway + most other EU countries. The biggest difference is that we would be entitled to EU funds (we already receive EU funding) but Merkel & Sarkozy are insisting on EU Zone fiscal unions or stricter lending guidelines with punishment for those who don't adhere.

The EU is not in a position now to offer anything valuable, other than losing our integrity and our dignity. Why would we sell ourselves to this?

There are many other opportunities out there. If you've travelled the world (other than USA) then you will learn that it's a REALLY big place where even Germany is insignificant.

Read this article to learn something: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/west-looks-east-for-a-lifeline-20111202-1obc3.html

Ps: even though I've said it TWO times already, I'll say it again..... none of my personal relatives want to join the EU so I don't think you can tell me anymore that my opinion from my "armchair" is so different from those living in Serbia.

"This is another 'identity theft' where someone has taken my name and tried to cause discussion because obviously they believe the truth that noone here is listening to the Albanian mentality & therefore tried to steal the identity of someone with some credibility? :) "
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You too? How many does that make now? It's obvious that Albanians don't have truth or credibility so they have to take our good names and try to discredit us with them.
How pathetic, and they don't even consider they cannot possibly get away with it.
They are contributing to their own demise.

Serbia GDP/capita 10,252

You mean real allies like the following:

China GDP/capita 7,544
India GDP/capita 3,408

I personally would prefer to have allies like:

US GDP/capita 46,860
Germany GDP/capita 36,081
UK GDP/capita 35,059

Sorry for only caring about my personal well being and wanting to live a better life. But, I do understand that some people prefer the poverty, so, yes, by all means you are free to ally yourself with the poor.
(icj1, 3 December 2011 16:40)

Oh I'm sorry, but you forgot to add in the part where the countries you stated people are in debt, given that they are all in or tilting on recession.

Population of India - 1,170,938,000 - 2010 estimate
Population of China 1,338,299,500 - 2010 estimate

Population of USA 307,006,550
Population of UK 62,218,761
Population of Germany 81,702,329

And now please take a look at this link and look at the countries you stated

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock?page=7


The poor in India and China are unfortunate, but they at least have learned to live in poverty. You must look at the poverty as a % of total population. What will your allies do if/when their entire population sinks into poverty if the economy slumps?

The poor in India and China are unfortunate, but they at least have learned to live in poverty.
(Goran., 4 December 2011 04:42)

So serbs should join the unfortunate Indians and Chinese and learn how to live in poverty to make you happy ?