65 percent of privatized companies failed

Yeah, 75% of the workers lost their work as the article says. This is the miracle of the free market system.

Clearly one must be a fool to think that neoliberalism is proof free. Yet despite this evidence and far more evidence from elsewhere, this ideology continues to be very much at the forefront of colonial-like governments.

Stefan, the free market works to some extent. Lets really look at what is going on in the US... well hmm, we can see a continual outsourcing of jobs. They went from the northern US, to the Southern US, to cheap labor countries in the hemisphere, and then to cheap labor countries around the world. It is a race to the bottom when it comes to wages. What about this do you not understand? The US median in come has been falling for many many years. That is a product of this system, a continuing increasing gap between the so called haves and have nots. You do not understand that more millionaires does not mean a better life for the people. Surely you did not fall for that theory of the "trickle down effect", did you?

I am not saying that the state should own everything. Where did you get that from? However, the state has to play a larger role in the economy, to prevent market failure, which happens all the time. You can not comprehend how free market capitalism with no regulation is so self destructive.

Yeah, 75% of the workers lost their work as the article says. This is the miracle of the free market system.

Clearly one must be a fool to think that neoliberalism is proof free. Yet despite this evidence and far more evidence from elsewhere, this ideology continues to be very much at the forefront of colonial-like governments.
(Lazar, 1 December 2011 08:15)

If you know how to run your business, then the free market works - it corrects itself by ensuring that businesses which keep up with market conditions survive, and those which don't will either lose market share, or crumble. Nobody ever suggested that it's meant to make every single person rich, regardless of how they act? Why should one be rewarded for failure? That's not a Serbian ideal, so why transpose it the business world? How has the free market worked so brilliantly in the US, where 80% of millionaires are self-made? The state, time and time again, has no incentive to improve business efficiency since it has a monopoly over the primary market in which it operates, and that's certainly NOT a good thing.

Neo Liberalism does not work in my Opinion,But free trade does.Might sound strange right? Isnt neo-Liberalism free trade?Well no i think that is very much evident in the cases where major powers force other nations to 'freely trade" with them.Look at the United States,20 percent of households own 80 percent of the nations wealth,how on earth do you exect that to last?

The reason why these companies fail is simply because of the following reasons:

.Corruption
.The fact that these companies are privatized mostly in western hands.
.The fact that they often sell off these industries or companies for very little profit.

I think that Serbia should in terms of foreign investment start looking a bit more east.We also have to get our industries back,but not in the form of cheap goods like China,we can never become like that,instead we should focuse on the manufacturing of things which we can make:Quality products like computers,machinery and so on.Yet to make these products we need base ores and metals and thus requie to build that too.

In that sense i think that industries should not be privatized at all,industry is a sector where there needs to be control over production so that it can efficiently make supply according to demand.The great depression in the 1930's was partly started by the production of goods in American factories overshooting demand.The consumer sector of course remains free.Corruption is the main problem which we must solve.I am afraid that means having a complete overhaul of both government and business.The strategy which we have now for foreign investment is going okay,we are getting more,its corruption by fat cats and government which is the problem.That investment should be used to impliment such an economic program as in exporting quality goods by boosting our present industries in terms of quality products and thus creating jobs.Unemployment will also be solved if we direct investment to infastructural projects like we do with countries like China,and others as well as with western nations.

What does it all come down to?That stupid idea that Bankers and tycoons want to help the nations economy.Of course its clear that they want to help themselves first.Basically if we solve corruption,we can solve the rest.

Lazar D, I think that some of your opinions are somewhat narrow. The reason why is because the so called Free Trade model is the neoliberal model. I think that what you are talking about is an export oriented economy rather than a free trade economy. For example, Japan was built by export oriented stuff, not by free trade things. Developed countries defended their local domestic markets.

We can not make many quality products easily. You do not understand what we are up against. We are up against the West, which can produce a lot more of anything pretty much, for a much lower price. On top of that they get subsidized. So that is where the free market sucks, because we can't compete. This is a problem facing much of the developing world, or third world as I would say. That is why there is this big "fair trade" thing. I think you should start raving a bout fair trade rather than free trade.

Really no offence but i think your knowledge is also a bit narrow.The concept of Free trade existed long before Neo-liberalism ever existed as a term.it was invented by people like Adam smith who wrote the wealth of nations.In the begining he glorifies the workings of the market but later condems it if it goes to far.in that sense i say that free trade works because it should give the oppertunity for even small contendors to compete,albiet not very highly.Which means more competition.Unfortunatly corperationism destroyes that.

Really just because people like blair,Raegen,thatcher and clinton manage to mess it up does not mean you can discount an entire term for that.Was Stalin,who lived in oppulant wealth really a socialist as he called himself?


You say we cant compete against the west,is that really so.The west has competition and we are far from their league-But their quality goods are after all

1.)Expensive in many cases
2.)Shrinking with increasing trade with China.

The reason for this is because Neo-liberalism which kicked off in the eighties and with it came outsourcing.Meaning cheaper but less quility goods came along.I think that because the west is decreasing innthat sphere we can compete in goods which we can make well,but the problem is we dont.By quality products i mean things like food,clothing and so on and not just machinery as i have described before.What neo-liberalism does is it destroys faith in your own industries,If the west wont but then it goes to countries who would easily want our food surplus eg. in Africa or in Asia.In these spheres there are the new rising economies so i dont see how we cant compete in such an environment.Has anything else worked completly well so far?I think we can agree at least that Neo-liberalism does not work to well either.

Yeah, 75% of the workers lost their work as the article says. This is the miracle of the free market system.

Clearly one must be a fool to think that neoliberalism is proof free. Yet despite this evidence and far more evidence from elsewhere, this ideology continues to be very much at the forefront of colonial-like governments.
(Lazar, 1 December 2011 08:15)

If you know how to run your business, then the free market works - it corrects itself by ensuring that businesses which keep up with market conditions survive, and those which don't will either lose market share, or crumble. Nobody ever suggested that it's meant to make every single person rich, regardless of how they act? Why should one be rewarded for failure? That's not a Serbian ideal, so why transpose it the business world? How has the free market worked so brilliantly in the US, where 80% of millionaires are self-made? The state, time and time again, has no incentive to improve business efficiency since it has a monopoly over the primary market in which it operates, and that's certainly NOT a good thing.

Yeah, 75% of the workers lost their work as the article says. This is the miracle of the free market system.

Clearly one must be a fool to think that neoliberalism is proof free. Yet despite this evidence and far more evidence from elsewhere, this ideology continues to be very much at the forefront of colonial-like governments.

Stefan, the free market works to some extent. Lets really look at what is going on in the US... well hmm, we can see a continual outsourcing of jobs. They went from the northern US, to the Southern US, to cheap labor countries in the hemisphere, and then to cheap labor countries around the world. It is a race to the bottom when it comes to wages. What about this do you not understand? The US median in come has been falling for many many years. That is a product of this system, a continuing increasing gap between the so called haves and have nots. You do not understand that more millionaires does not mean a better life for the people. Surely you did not fall for that theory of the "trickle down effect", did you?

I am not saying that the state should own everything. Where did you get that from? However, the state has to play a larger role in the economy, to prevent market failure, which happens all the time. You can not comprehend how free market capitalism with no regulation is so self destructive.

Neo Liberalism does not work in my Opinion,But free trade does.Might sound strange right? Isnt neo-Liberalism free trade?Well no i think that is very much evident in the cases where major powers force other nations to 'freely trade" with them.Look at the United States,20 percent of households own 80 percent of the nations wealth,how on earth do you exect that to last?

The reason why these companies fail is simply because of the following reasons:

.Corruption
.The fact that these companies are privatized mostly in western hands.
.The fact that they often sell off these industries or companies for very little profit.

I think that Serbia should in terms of foreign investment start looking a bit more east.We also have to get our industries back,but not in the form of cheap goods like China,we can never become like that,instead we should focuse on the manufacturing of things which we can make:Quality products like computers,machinery and so on.Yet to make these products we need base ores and metals and thus requie to build that too.

In that sense i think that industries should not be privatized at all,industry is a sector where there needs to be control over production so that it can efficiently make supply according to demand.The great depression in the 1930's was partly started by the production of goods in American factories overshooting demand.The consumer sector of course remains free.Corruption is the main problem which we must solve.I am afraid that means having a complete overhaul of both government and business.The strategy which we have now for foreign investment is going okay,we are getting more,its corruption by fat cats and government which is the problem.That investment should be used to impliment such an economic program as in exporting quality goods by boosting our present industries in terms of quality products and thus creating jobs.Unemployment will also be solved if we direct investment to infastructural projects like we do with countries like China,and others as well as with western nations.

What does it all come down to?That stupid idea that Bankers and tycoons want to help the nations economy.Of course its clear that they want to help themselves first.Basically if we solve corruption,we can solve the rest.

Lazar D, I think that some of your opinions are somewhat narrow. The reason why is because the so called Free Trade model is the neoliberal model. I think that what you are talking about is an export oriented economy rather than a free trade economy. For example, Japan was built by export oriented stuff, not by free trade things. Developed countries defended their local domestic markets.

We can not make many quality products easily. You do not understand what we are up against. We are up against the West, which can produce a lot more of anything pretty much, for a much lower price. On top of that they get subsidized. So that is where the free market sucks, because we can't compete. This is a problem facing much of the developing world, or third world as I would say. That is why there is this big "fair trade" thing. I think you should start raving a bout fair trade rather than free trade.

Really no offence but i think your knowledge is also a bit narrow.The concept of Free trade existed long before Neo-liberalism ever existed as a term.it was invented by people like Adam smith who wrote the wealth of nations.In the begining he glorifies the workings of the market but later condems it if it goes to far.in that sense i say that free trade works because it should give the oppertunity for even small contendors to compete,albiet not very highly.Which means more competition.Unfortunatly corperationism destroyes that.

Really just because people like blair,Raegen,thatcher and clinton manage to mess it up does not mean you can discount an entire term for that.Was Stalin,who lived in oppulant wealth really a socialist as he called himself?


You say we cant compete against the west,is that really so.The west has competition and we are far from their league-But their quality goods are after all

1.)Expensive in many cases
2.)Shrinking with increasing trade with China.

The reason for this is because Neo-liberalism which kicked off in the eighties and with it came outsourcing.Meaning cheaper but less quility goods came along.I think that because the west is decreasing innthat sphere we can compete in goods which we can make well,but the problem is we dont.By quality products i mean things like food,clothing and so on and not just machinery as i have described before.What neo-liberalism does is it destroys faith in your own industries,If the west wont but then it goes to countries who would easily want our food surplus eg. in Africa or in Asia.In these spheres there are the new rising economies so i dont see how we cant compete in such an environment.Has anything else worked completly well so far?I think we can agree at least that Neo-liberalism does not work to well either.