No to independence due to "eastern Kosovo" claims

''...A person attending the lecture, though not a student, asked the minister when exactly Kosovo had become part of Serbia, and he responded by saying “pretty much at the same time when Serbia became to look like Serbia....”
Source:Tanjug.

Mr.Vuk Jeremic??!!,there is no NEED to carry in ur shoulders the SINS of ur forefathers.Because,it seems that,You are not quite SURE about the HISTORY of Serbia,here is something to ''refresh'' ur memory:

1912 ,The speech of Social Democratic Serbian leader ,Dimitrije Tucovic, AGAINST the ANNEXATION of DARDANIA(a.k.a.,Kosova), :
"WE HAVE ENTERED a FOREIGN LAND!".

These are the Words of a Serbian politician,not mine.Therefore no ''Thumbs down'' for me.
The Amount of LIES u have grown up with and INJECTED deep in ur Subconsciousness.
With IRONY,from ALBANIA.

Jeremić recalled the attempts to impose the Ahtisaari plan in the same regard.

The Serbian minister recalled the fact that the plan had been voted on in the UN Security Council six times, failing to pass on each of the occasions, adding that the very fact that it had been put to the vote was proof that it was necessary for the document to be adopted by the Security Council.

OMG, Ahtisari's plan was never put up for voting, just because Russia was threatening veto. At same time Ahtisari was appointed by Secretary General with recommendation from UNSC to find the finally solution for Kosova, in which case Ahtisari did. Don't forget the Fact-Finding-Mission, and also Jeremic asking ICJ whether Kosova declaration of Independence was violating International Law!? Now, you look at all the above, and Jeremic has qualms about it to lie every single day.wow

In a near future I hope to see Russia and China dominate the world. Western hypocricy is comming to an end.
(Tom Tom, 26 November 2011 15:14)

You better be careful with your wishes, they might come true... Personally I have gotten quite attached to democracy, liberty, freedom of media etc.

I don't understand what is Serbia's fuss about the Independence of Kosova. Montenegro and Macedonia are independent states. Serbia was in no war with them yet it approved their independent status. Now Kosova is independent and considering what they went through under Serbian oppression is common sence that they don't want anything to do with Serbia anymore. Besides Kosova was never part of Serbia but one of eight Republics of State of Yugoslavia that had legitimate status like all other republics. Serbia has to change this atitude towards Kosova as is leading them nowhere.

Nothing new in Jeremic comment. Few things I would like to add. When Jeremic refers to Security Council he really means Russia. We all know what Russia stands for when it comes to Kosovo. They have declared openly unless someone is an idiot...not to understand it. Just to refresh some people's memory. President Ahtisary was the United Nations Secretary Genaral representative and was asked by Security Council to find a possible best solution for Kosovo. He heard Kosovo Albanians, he heard Serbs...and came with a Plan....which Serbia of course refuses and so does big brother Russia. So what should the international community do? Stand still? Or wait until Serbia matures enough to become a EU member? Kosovo IS A PRODUCTION OF former Yugoslavia. Mr Jeremic should now that...Too much blood has been shred in Kosovo. Is it not enough for Serbia?

"He said that a great number of countries that had a problem with separatism in their territory did not want to recognize the independence of Kosovo, not because of Serbia, but for their own sake, as such a move would favor separatist tendencies."

That's the main reason. And it's a good and valid reason. Maybe that will open the eyes of people who seriously thought Spain, Slovakie, Russia, China... didn't recognize Kosovo because they love Serbia so much.

-He added that “Milošević's era is now behind us” and that Serbia had for a number of years had a democratic government achieving excellent results in the respect for human and minority rights.-

Yeah, right jeremic, in which universe? enough of yr damn lies.

roberto frisco

How can America and some EU countries steal the holy land of Kosovo from the serbs and give it to albanians is beyond me? Thank God the EU and America is facing huge economic problems. They got what they deserve. In a near future I hope to see Russia and China dominate the world. Western hypocricy is comming to an end.

The lack of empathy by the Serbian leaders about what happened in Kosovo is the main reason why Kosovo will never go back.

Just when you thought the Serbs were giving up their selfrespect, they come out quashing recognition, threatening war and handing it to KFOR. A more impulsive, spontaneous and unpredictable nation, the modern world has not seen!

So it's not because of northern Kosovo. Good to know that.

Besim, Kosovo was an autonomous province in the former Yugoslavia, just like Vojvodina. never a republic. Milosevic took the autonomous status away from Kosovo, because the Albanians were never satisfied and were misbehaving by terrorizing the local Serbs, remember? But we all know that Kosovo is Serbia. So much misinformation on all sides floating around here.

I don't understand what is Serbia's fuss about the Independence of Kosova. Montenegro and Macedonia are independent states. Serbia was in no war with them yet it approved their independent status. Now Kosova is independent and considering what they went through under Serbian oppression is common sence that they don't want anything to do with Serbia anymore. Besides Kosova was never part of Serbia but one of eight Republics of State of Yugoslavia that had legitimate status like all other republics. Serbia has to change this atitude towards Kosova as is leading them nowhere.
(Besim, 26 November 2011 16:14)

Kosovo NEVER was a republic.

In November 2008, the EU accepted the demand of Serbia not to implement the plan of Ahtisaari through EULEX. Why do we still hear this Plan mentioned? It's dead and buried. But obviously, a long-term solution for all of KiM must be found to suit all sides, not just what the Albanians want and what Amercia promised them. Otherwise, there will never be peace in KiM.

@ besim I will say it agin for the hundred time Montenegro like Macedonia,Croatia and on were all states kosovo is a province of Serbia ....

"@ ea If you don't like the current situation then go back to albania ...."
(grobar1, 26 November 2011 16:57)

Grobarl,

What kind of "situation" are you talking about? Talk more sensible things and don't the time of the B92 editor)) By the way I am originally from Tirana so you to expel me from home..? Part of Serbian policy? Don't forget to talk more senses...)

Kosovo NEVER was a republic.
(aaayyy, 26 November 2011 23:09)

So what? Finland was not a republic within Russia. In fact it was an autonomous province of Russia (just like Kosovo was), yet it became independent. This argument about Kosovo NEVER being a republic holds no water. In fact it is non-sensical. Its just as non-sensical as the other reason: "There are Albanians in the country of Albania so there should be no country of Kosovo". Well there are Greeks in Greece but there is Cyprus. There are Germans in Germany but there is Austria. The fact of the matter is that all the arguments the Serb side comes up against independence are pure idiocies and nonsensical ramblings; especially since already there are existing precedents out there. Nothing new is happening here that hasn't happened before. ICJ was more than clear in pointing all of this out. It is even more worrying that such idiocies come from those at the forefront of a nation.
So instead of being sore losers; how about being rational for once. A country, is a social contract among its people. That social contract between Serbia and Kosovo not only is broken and non-existent but it cannot be repaired for a long long time. I'm talking about centuries rather than decades. So any rational thinking person, can clearly see that Kosovo and Serbia cannot coexist under normal conditions; unless you're ok with Belgrade and Prishtina turning into Baghdad for the foreseeable future. So any sane person can clearly see that Kosovo has to be independent; if you want peace that is. If you can't see that then you've clearly drank too much of that heavenly kingdom juice and do not belong with the rest of us here on earth.

Now that we got that out of the way; any rational person can see that things seem to not go so well in the north (in fact its pretty bad), and I'm not sure there was even a social contract with them to begin with. So what's good the gander is good the goose. Rationally speaking (personal opinion here) that part should not be forced to be what it doesn't want to be. I believe there are plenty like me who see positives in that part not being part of Kosovo. However there are also plenty like me who see how badly Serbia is playing its hand. Just as badly as it played it in the 90's (playing it through irrational emotions rather than logically). What good does it do to be chest beating patriot when you continuously put your people in worse and worse situation? Serbs keep playing this hand for decades and still believe that is the way to go. Its as if those who lead you are the least adaptable people in this planet. I believe patience will be lost and Serbia again will not gain anything if it doesn't change its policies. I believe the following has to happen in terms of policy change so some good can come out of this:

1. Annulment of Serbia's constitution. It speaks in the name of Kosovo Albanians but no Kosovo Albanian was allowed to vote for it. In fact they were willingly deleted from the voter's list by the Serbian government prior to the voting. (By contrast the Kosovo government allowed all its ethnicities to express themselves no matter their opinion). This is needed so the rest of us know Serbia is willing to accept what it can take ,rather then be a continuous generator of conflict. There is no other country in Europe today threatening others with war. None. Serbia is the only one.

2. Once the constitution is abolished; the Serb parliament comes up with a resolution that the recognition of Kosova as a country is automatically in effect the day the north is no longer part of Kosovo.

3. Albanians in Serbia are given the same exact rights as the Serbs remaining in Kosovo. Laws for these two groups mirror each other 100%, with the EU monitoring such laws.

4. Serbia lobbies the West for these steps to happen; since the only one that can do anything about it is the West. Rather than keep pissing them off so you can take a chunk without anything in return, be rational about it. You cant have the whole but you can have a part; and to have it you have to recognize the other part is no longer yours. Even though it is way too late to request this, there is a dim light of hope, that gets more distant as the time goes on. Those who can't see this are again drinking too much of that heavenly kingdom juice.

If none of this happens within the next few years, then Serbia of Milosevic is the same as present day Serbia, from an outsiders perspective, when it comes to its policies towards Kosovo. Always itching for war (you've got ministers in your government, you got the whole opposition and a very size-able majority of people itching for war); foolishly disregarding the consequences that the wrath of others may bring, foolishly disregarding the near past.

Peace.

@ ea If you don't like the current situation then go back to albania .... this would've never happend if your kla didn't provoke and terrorize the Serbian people your udi has failed were are those recognitions from all those countrys....LOL

In November 2008, the EU accepted the demand of Serbia not to implement the plan of Ahtisaari through EULEX. Why do we still hear this Plan mentioned?
(Winston, 26 November 2011 18:24)

Any reference where the EU stated that ?

Hi,I would like to ask a simple question about this subject here:'Why are there so many Albanias in Kosovo, when it is part of Serbia?'.

I would like to make it clear that I am not taking sides but its only my oppinion from my knowledge :

In prevoius years the leader (goverment /dictator or whatever) of that time made Serbs in Kosovo to accept Albanian refugees in there homes and on there lands.
If that is so, I can never understand why the Albanians claim that part of Serbia to be theirs now. It is very unjust for the local people afterall. Is this the type of gratitute and appriciation? To take away and try to rule other people's land.

Such situations worries me alot cos in the coming years it could happen as well in my country. At the moment we have an influs of illegal emigrants and most are given refugee status with the result that their are alot forigners especially black ppl( no offence, I am no racist)on the streets and taking away jobs with very low pay. So would they claim Malta is theirs later in the next generation?
I think this is what made Kosovo today.

Whatever happens I pray that conflicts are avoided. Most countries are led by politicians that want to rule with greed and one way or an other its always the citizens who have to suffer. I am sure no one wants to go through bloodshed again and just hope and wish that your country /s would reach a peaceful solution at the earliest possible.

"The Serbian minister recalled the fact that the plan had been voted on in the UN Security Council six times, failing to pass on each of the occasions, adding that the very fact that it had been put to the vote was proof that it was necessary for the document to be adopted by the Security Council. "


That's why some people in these forums state falsities after falsities as "facts"; it starts from higher up in the Serbian government.

The Antisaari plan was never voted and never put to a vote in the UNSC, let alone 6 times (unless somebody here is able to show us the UNSC meeting(s) where this voting(s) took place).

The reason why the final status of Kosovo was never put to a vote in the UNSC is simple; under the terms of 1244 the UNSC did not reserve for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo and remained silent on the conditions for the final status of Kosovo.

"- This is why? And, I thought that he kept stating, all along that (Northern) Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia.

Why the sudden change of heart?
Can anyone explain? I would like to know.
(metrod, 27 November 2011 06:11) "

What change of heart are you hoping for? He still ain't gonna recognize "Kosova". And he still considers N Kosovo a part of Kosovo which in turn is a part of Serbia. Seems simple enough to me and so I'm am not sure why you encountered such complex confusion in simplicity?

"Serbia had for a number of years had a democratic government".. The interior minister just said that another war for Kosovo should still be considered.
....Oh we have come a long way from Milosevic.(sarcasm emphasized)
Say anything to join the EU but do anything to serve the ultra-nationalists.

Ruben-like the empathy the albs have shown the serbs after the war. What empathy do the albs deserve anyway, they started the bloody mess. Oh that's right, i forgot about operation horseshoe. Forgot about the 250000 missing etc, etc.

"He explained that a decision to recognize Kosovo's independence would be dangerous partly because of those who referred to southern Serbia as “eastern Kosovo.”

“This is exactly why we are not going to recognize your (Kosovo's) independence,” Jeremić said"

- This is why? And, I thought that he kept stating, all along that (Northern) Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia.

Why the sudden change of heart?
Can anyone explain? I would like to know.

@ ea what business do you have on this site don't worry about the kosovo albos worry about your own country ....

@ EA first of all what's a matter no albanian sites for you to chat on .I really don't understand you albos ......

EA, Albanians are very fortunate to be able to spew so much hatred and rubbish on a Serbian site. I know you said that because it is in English anyone can post but Albanians have adopted this site as their own.
New Kosova Report is also in English but anyone who is critical of Albanians will be attacked mercilessly and those posts allowed to get through but if non Albanians tried the level of anger and hatred that site would not allow the post to get through.

B92 it is very frustrating that so much Albanian hatred and rubbish does get through and you being a Serbian site, albeit in English, is still a puzzle as to why you allow your own people to be exposed to it.
Rational debate I agree with, but some posts coming through are unbelievable and makes one question as to why you would allow so many attacks to get through.
Also, people impersonating others is something Albanians do all the time as I can speak from personal experience. Any chance of finding out which IP adress the false comments were made from and deny access from it?

Kosovo was an autonomous province in the former Yugoslavia, just like Vojvodina. never a republic. Milosevic took the autonomous status away from Kosovo, because the Albanians were never satisfied and were misbehaving by terrorizing the local Serbs, remember? But we all know that Kosovo is Serbia. So much misinformation on all sides floating around here.

Winston wether Kosovo was an autonomous province within Tito’s Yugoslavia is irrelevant. What we have in Belgrade today is Uncle Draza’s Serbia. Get my point.
If you dissolve Tito’s Yugoslavia you dissolve everything. 1244 is meaningless.

Albania has just as much right as the SUCCESSOR state as Serbia does. Including Montenegro for that matter.

The lack of empathy by the Serbian leaders about what happened in Kosovo is the main reason why Kosovo will never go back.
(Ruben-NYC, 26 November 2011 17:56)

Absolutely Ruben. I could not believe what Mr Jeremic had actually said. " Jeremić stressed that the Serbs had been discriminated against several times in the course of history, while the Albanians had been in difficult situation under (former Serbian president Slobodan) Milošević's rule. "Under difficult situation? What does that actually mean? This is the problem right here, no contrition, no remorse, nothing, only flat out denials. Serbs have themselves to blame completely for losing Kosovo. Blame the West all you want, curse the Gods, whichever, look at your own attitudes first and then you will see why its lost. Difficult situation!! He should have said, ruthless discrimination, outright disregard for any Kosovar Albanian, torture, murder and finally attempted expulsion. But no no, apparently all that happened was a 'difficult situation'. What an idiot

@ EA first of all what's a matter no albanian sites for you to chat on .I really don't understand you albos ......
(grobar1, 27 November 2011

@ ea what business do you have on this site don't worry about the kosovo albos worry about your own country ....
(grobar1, 27 November 2011 01:44)

grobarl,

B92 site is also in English and as far as I am aware is NOT ONLY for Serbians. By the way why are you writing in English when you feel so strongly about Serbian. As I have told you before, don't waste the time of B92 editor. And if you say again "what business do you have on this site don't worry about the kosovo albos..." I will question your level of intelligence or your age.

-He added that “Milošević's era is now behind us” and that Serbia had for a number of years had a democratic government achieving excellent results in the respect for human and minority rights.-

Yeah, right jeremic, in which universe? enough of yr damn lies.

roberto frisco
(roberto, 26 November 2011 19:03)

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What's this???

I guess Brammertz and them EU officials in Brussels are all bunch of liars,because all Vuk did in that sentence above that so shocked and awed cave dwellers was quote and paraphrase Brammeritz's and EU officials' statements which many on planet Earth
know about since Mladich's arrest.

You should be spending more time on reading and on knowing the Lord roberto, and quit your present ways.

johny,
I agree with those who believe that North Kosovo is just to belong to Serbia, while Southern Serbian envlaves in Kosovo could be exchanged for some Albanian regions in Serbia.

IMHO another option: As you know Kosovo has been under KFOR control since 1999, no need for KAlbs to be afraid of Serbian control and attacks from Serbia. So KFOR and EULEX should concentrate on practical issues how to improve people's life in Kosovo without pushing for Kosovo independence.

Unfortunately KFOR doesn't want to conflict with former KLA and does whatever Albanian semi-politicians-semi-mafia want. Albanians were rewarded by their independence recognitions for their coup in 2004.

Take into consideration that Serbia and "Kosovo" have different statuses - while former is recognized country, later is disputed territory. Thus Serbs in Kosovo and Albanians in Serbia have different opportunity concerning their separation ability.

How can America and some EU countries steal the holy land of Kosovo from the serbs and give it to albanians is beyond me? Thank God the EU and America is facing huge economic problems. They got what they deserve. In a near future I hope to see Russia and China dominate the world. Western hypocricy is comming to an end.

''...A person attending the lecture, though not a student, asked the minister when exactly Kosovo had become part of Serbia, and he responded by saying “pretty much at the same time when Serbia became to look like Serbia....”
Source:Tanjug.

Mr.Vuk Jeremic??!!,there is no NEED to carry in ur shoulders the SINS of ur forefathers.Because,it seems that,You are not quite SURE about the HISTORY of Serbia,here is something to ''refresh'' ur memory:

1912 ,The speech of Social Democratic Serbian leader ,Dimitrije Tucovic, AGAINST the ANNEXATION of DARDANIA(a.k.a.,Kosova), :
"WE HAVE ENTERED a FOREIGN LAND!".

These are the Words of a Serbian politician,not mine.Therefore no ''Thumbs down'' for me.
The Amount of LIES u have grown up with and INJECTED deep in ur Subconsciousness.
With IRONY,from ALBANIA.

Just when you thought the Serbs were giving up their selfrespect, they come out quashing recognition, threatening war and handing it to KFOR. A more impulsive, spontaneous and unpredictable nation, the modern world has not seen!

I don't understand what is Serbia's fuss about the Independence of Kosova. Montenegro and Macedonia are independent states. Serbia was in no war with them yet it approved their independent status. Now Kosova is independent and considering what they went through under Serbian oppression is common sence that they don't want anything to do with Serbia anymore. Besides Kosova was never part of Serbia but one of eight Republics of State of Yugoslavia that had legitimate status like all other republics. Serbia has to change this atitude towards Kosova as is leading them nowhere.

Jeremić recalled the attempts to impose the Ahtisaari plan in the same regard.

The Serbian minister recalled the fact that the plan had been voted on in the UN Security Council six times, failing to pass on each of the occasions, adding that the very fact that it had been put to the vote was proof that it was necessary for the document to be adopted by the Security Council.

OMG, Ahtisari's plan was never put up for voting, just because Russia was threatening veto. At same time Ahtisari was appointed by Secretary General with recommendation from UNSC to find the finally solution for Kosova, in which case Ahtisari did. Don't forget the Fact-Finding-Mission, and also Jeremic asking ICJ whether Kosova declaration of Independence was violating International Law!? Now, you look at all the above, and Jeremic has qualms about it to lie every single day.wow

"He said that a great number of countries that had a problem with separatism in their territory did not want to recognize the independence of Kosovo, not because of Serbia, but for their own sake, as such a move would favor separatist tendencies."

That's the main reason. And it's a good and valid reason. Maybe that will open the eyes of people who seriously thought Spain, Slovakie, Russia, China... didn't recognize Kosovo because they love Serbia so much.

@ ea If you don't like the current situation then go back to albania .... this would've never happend if your kla didn't provoke and terrorize the Serbian people your udi has failed were are those recognitions from all those countrys....LOL

The lack of empathy by the Serbian leaders about what happened in Kosovo is the main reason why Kosovo will never go back.

-He added that “Milošević's era is now behind us” and that Serbia had for a number of years had a democratic government achieving excellent results in the respect for human and minority rights.-

Yeah, right jeremic, in which universe? enough of yr damn lies.

roberto frisco

Nothing new in Jeremic comment. Few things I would like to add. When Jeremic refers to Security Council he really means Russia. We all know what Russia stands for when it comes to Kosovo. They have declared openly unless someone is an idiot...not to understand it. Just to refresh some people's memory. President Ahtisary was the United Nations Secretary Genaral representative and was asked by Security Council to find a possible best solution for Kosovo. He heard Kosovo Albanians, he heard Serbs...and came with a Plan....which Serbia of course refuses and so does big brother Russia. So what should the international community do? Stand still? Or wait until Serbia matures enough to become a EU member? Kosovo IS A PRODUCTION OF former Yugoslavia. Mr Jeremic should now that...Too much blood has been shred in Kosovo. Is it not enough for Serbia?

@ besim I will say it agin for the hundred time Montenegro like Macedonia,Croatia and on were all states kosovo is a province of Serbia ....

In a near future I hope to see Russia and China dominate the world. Western hypocricy is comming to an end.
(Tom Tom, 26 November 2011 15:14)

You better be careful with your wishes, they might come true... Personally I have gotten quite attached to democracy, liberty, freedom of media etc.

In November 2008, the EU accepted the demand of Serbia not to implement the plan of Ahtisaari through EULEX. Why do we still hear this Plan mentioned? It's dead and buried. But obviously, a long-term solution for all of KiM must be found to suit all sides, not just what the Albanians want and what Amercia promised them. Otherwise, there will never be peace in KiM.

"@ ea If you don't like the current situation then go back to albania ...."
(grobar1, 26 November 2011 16:57)

Grobarl,

What kind of "situation" are you talking about? Talk more sensible things and don't the time of the B92 editor)) By the way I am originally from Tirana so you to expel me from home..? Part of Serbian policy? Don't forget to talk more senses...)

I don't understand what is Serbia's fuss about the Independence of Kosova. Montenegro and Macedonia are independent states. Serbia was in no war with them yet it approved their independent status. Now Kosova is independent and considering what they went through under Serbian oppression is common sence that they don't want anything to do with Serbia anymore. Besides Kosova was never part of Serbia but one of eight Republics of State of Yugoslavia that had legitimate status like all other republics. Serbia has to change this atitude towards Kosova as is leading them nowhere.
(Besim, 26 November 2011 16:14)

Kosovo NEVER was a republic.

Kosovo was an autonomous province in the former Yugoslavia, just like Vojvodina. never a republic. Milosevic took the autonomous status away from Kosovo, because the Albanians were never satisfied and were misbehaving by terrorizing the local Serbs, remember? But we all know that Kosovo is Serbia. So much misinformation on all sides floating around here.

Winston wether Kosovo was an autonomous province within Tito’s Yugoslavia is irrelevant. What we have in Belgrade today is Uncle Draza’s Serbia. Get my point.
If you dissolve Tito’s Yugoslavia you dissolve everything. 1244 is meaningless.

Albania has just as much right as the SUCCESSOR state as Serbia does. Including Montenegro for that matter.

"Serbia had for a number of years had a democratic government".. The interior minister just said that another war for Kosovo should still be considered.
....Oh we have come a long way from Milosevic.(sarcasm emphasized)
Say anything to join the EU but do anything to serve the ultra-nationalists.

"The Serbian minister recalled the fact that the plan had been voted on in the UN Security Council six times, failing to pass on each of the occasions, adding that the very fact that it had been put to the vote was proof that it was necessary for the document to be adopted by the Security Council. "


That's why some people in these forums state falsities after falsities as "facts"; it starts from higher up in the Serbian government.

The Antisaari plan was never voted and never put to a vote in the UNSC, let alone 6 times (unless somebody here is able to show us the UNSC meeting(s) where this voting(s) took place).

The reason why the final status of Kosovo was never put to a vote in the UNSC is simple; under the terms of 1244 the UNSC did not reserve for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo and remained silent on the conditions for the final status of Kosovo.

In November 2008, the EU accepted the demand of Serbia not to implement the plan of Ahtisaari through EULEX. Why do we still hear this Plan mentioned?
(Winston, 26 November 2011 18:24)

Any reference where the EU stated that ?

johny,
I agree with those who believe that North Kosovo is just to belong to Serbia, while Southern Serbian envlaves in Kosovo could be exchanged for some Albanian regions in Serbia.

IMHO another option: As you know Kosovo has been under KFOR control since 1999, no need for KAlbs to be afraid of Serbian control and attacks from Serbia. So KFOR and EULEX should concentrate on practical issues how to improve people's life in Kosovo without pushing for Kosovo independence.

Unfortunately KFOR doesn't want to conflict with former KLA and does whatever Albanian semi-politicians-semi-mafia want. Albanians were rewarded by their independence recognitions for their coup in 2004.

Take into consideration that Serbia and "Kosovo" have different statuses - while former is recognized country, later is disputed territory. Thus Serbs in Kosovo and Albanians in Serbia have different opportunity concerning their separation ability.

Besim, Kosovo was an autonomous province in the former Yugoslavia, just like Vojvodina. never a republic. Milosevic took the autonomous status away from Kosovo, because the Albanians were never satisfied and were misbehaving by terrorizing the local Serbs, remember? But we all know that Kosovo is Serbia. So much misinformation on all sides floating around here.

So it's not because of northern Kosovo. Good to know that.

Kosovo NEVER was a republic.
(aaayyy, 26 November 2011 23:09)

So what? Finland was not a republic within Russia. In fact it was an autonomous province of Russia (just like Kosovo was), yet it became independent. This argument about Kosovo NEVER being a republic holds no water. In fact it is non-sensical. Its just as non-sensical as the other reason: "There are Albanians in the country of Albania so there should be no country of Kosovo". Well there are Greeks in Greece but there is Cyprus. There are Germans in Germany but there is Austria. The fact of the matter is that all the arguments the Serb side comes up against independence are pure idiocies and nonsensical ramblings; especially since already there are existing precedents out there. Nothing new is happening here that hasn't happened before. ICJ was more than clear in pointing all of this out. It is even more worrying that such idiocies come from those at the forefront of a nation.
So instead of being sore losers; how about being rational for once. A country, is a social contract among its people. That social contract between Serbia and Kosovo not only is broken and non-existent but it cannot be repaired for a long long time. I'm talking about centuries rather than decades. So any rational thinking person, can clearly see that Kosovo and Serbia cannot coexist under normal conditions; unless you're ok with Belgrade and Prishtina turning into Baghdad for the foreseeable future. So any sane person can clearly see that Kosovo has to be independent; if you want peace that is. If you can't see that then you've clearly drank too much of that heavenly kingdom juice and do not belong with the rest of us here on earth.

Now that we got that out of the way; any rational person can see that things seem to not go so well in the north (in fact its pretty bad), and I'm not sure there was even a social contract with them to begin with. So what's good the gander is good the goose. Rationally speaking (personal opinion here) that part should not be forced to be what it doesn't want to be. I believe there are plenty like me who see positives in that part not being part of Kosovo. However there are also plenty like me who see how badly Serbia is playing its hand. Just as badly as it played it in the 90's (playing it through irrational emotions rather than logically). What good does it do to be chest beating patriot when you continuously put your people in worse and worse situation? Serbs keep playing this hand for decades and still believe that is the way to go. Its as if those who lead you are the least adaptable people in this planet. I believe patience will be lost and Serbia again will not gain anything if it doesn't change its policies. I believe the following has to happen in terms of policy change so some good can come out of this:

1. Annulment of Serbia's constitution. It speaks in the name of Kosovo Albanians but no Kosovo Albanian was allowed to vote for it. In fact they were willingly deleted from the voter's list by the Serbian government prior to the voting. (By contrast the Kosovo government allowed all its ethnicities to express themselves no matter their opinion). This is needed so the rest of us know Serbia is willing to accept what it can take ,rather then be a continuous generator of conflict. There is no other country in Europe today threatening others with war. None. Serbia is the only one.

2. Once the constitution is abolished; the Serb parliament comes up with a resolution that the recognition of Kosova as a country is automatically in effect the day the north is no longer part of Kosovo.

3. Albanians in Serbia are given the same exact rights as the Serbs remaining in Kosovo. Laws for these two groups mirror each other 100%, with the EU monitoring such laws.

4. Serbia lobbies the West for these steps to happen; since the only one that can do anything about it is the West. Rather than keep pissing them off so you can take a chunk without anything in return, be rational about it. You cant have the whole but you can have a part; and to have it you have to recognize the other part is no longer yours. Even though it is way too late to request this, there is a dim light of hope, that gets more distant as the time goes on. Those who can't see this are again drinking too much of that heavenly kingdom juice.

If none of this happens within the next few years, then Serbia of Milosevic is the same as present day Serbia, from an outsiders perspective, when it comes to its policies towards Kosovo. Always itching for war (you've got ministers in your government, you got the whole opposition and a very size-able majority of people itching for war); foolishly disregarding the consequences that the wrath of others may bring, foolishly disregarding the near past.

Peace.

"- This is why? And, I thought that he kept stating, all along that (Northern) Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia.

Why the sudden change of heart?
Can anyone explain? I would like to know.
(metrod, 27 November 2011 06:11) "

What change of heart are you hoping for? He still ain't gonna recognize "Kosova". And he still considers N Kosovo a part of Kosovo which in turn is a part of Serbia. Seems simple enough to me and so I'm am not sure why you encountered such complex confusion in simplicity?

The lack of empathy by the Serbian leaders about what happened in Kosovo is the main reason why Kosovo will never go back.
(Ruben-NYC, 26 November 2011 17:56)

Absolutely Ruben. I could not believe what Mr Jeremic had actually said. " Jeremić stressed that the Serbs had been discriminated against several times in the course of history, while the Albanians had been in difficult situation under (former Serbian president Slobodan) Milošević's rule. "Under difficult situation? What does that actually mean? This is the problem right here, no contrition, no remorse, nothing, only flat out denials. Serbs have themselves to blame completely for losing Kosovo. Blame the West all you want, curse the Gods, whichever, look at your own attitudes first and then you will see why its lost. Difficult situation!! He should have said, ruthless discrimination, outright disregard for any Kosovar Albanian, torture, murder and finally attempted expulsion. But no no, apparently all that happened was a 'difficult situation'. What an idiot

Hi,I would like to ask a simple question about this subject here:'Why are there so many Albanias in Kosovo, when it is part of Serbia?'.

I would like to make it clear that I am not taking sides but its only my oppinion from my knowledge :

In prevoius years the leader (goverment /dictator or whatever) of that time made Serbs in Kosovo to accept Albanian refugees in there homes and on there lands.
If that is so, I can never understand why the Albanians claim that part of Serbia to be theirs now. It is very unjust for the local people afterall. Is this the type of gratitute and appriciation? To take away and try to rule other people's land.

Such situations worries me alot cos in the coming years it could happen as well in my country. At the moment we have an influs of illegal emigrants and most are given refugee status with the result that their are alot forigners especially black ppl( no offence, I am no racist)on the streets and taking away jobs with very low pay. So would they claim Malta is theirs later in the next generation?
I think this is what made Kosovo today.

Whatever happens I pray that conflicts are avoided. Most countries are led by politicians that want to rule with greed and one way or an other its always the citizens who have to suffer. I am sure no one wants to go through bloodshed again and just hope and wish that your country /s would reach a peaceful solution at the earliest possible.

Ruben-like the empathy the albs have shown the serbs after the war. What empathy do the albs deserve anyway, they started the bloody mess. Oh that's right, i forgot about operation horseshoe. Forgot about the 250000 missing etc, etc.

"He explained that a decision to recognize Kosovo's independence would be dangerous partly because of those who referred to southern Serbia as “eastern Kosovo.”

“This is exactly why we are not going to recognize your (Kosovo's) independence,” Jeremić said"

- This is why? And, I thought that he kept stating, all along that (Northern) Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia.

Why the sudden change of heart?
Can anyone explain? I would like to know.

@ EA first of all what's a matter no albanian sites for you to chat on .I really don't understand you albos ......
(grobar1, 27 November 2011

@ ea what business do you have on this site don't worry about the kosovo albos worry about your own country ....
(grobar1, 27 November 2011 01:44)

grobarl,

B92 site is also in English and as far as I am aware is NOT ONLY for Serbians. By the way why are you writing in English when you feel so strongly about Serbian. As I have told you before, don't waste the time of B92 editor. And if you say again "what business do you have on this site don't worry about the kosovo albos..." I will question your level of intelligence or your age.

@ ea what business do you have on this site don't worry about the kosovo albos worry about your own country ....

@ EA first of all what's a matter no albanian sites for you to chat on .I really don't understand you albos ......

EA, Albanians are very fortunate to be able to spew so much hatred and rubbish on a Serbian site. I know you said that because it is in English anyone can post but Albanians have adopted this site as their own.
New Kosova Report is also in English but anyone who is critical of Albanians will be attacked mercilessly and those posts allowed to get through but if non Albanians tried the level of anger and hatred that site would not allow the post to get through.

B92 it is very frustrating that so much Albanian hatred and rubbish does get through and you being a Serbian site, albeit in English, is still a puzzle as to why you allow your own people to be exposed to it.
Rational debate I agree with, but some posts coming through are unbelievable and makes one question as to why you would allow so many attacks to get through.
Also, people impersonating others is something Albanians do all the time as I can speak from personal experience. Any chance of finding out which IP adress the false comments were made from and deny access from it?

-He added that “Milošević's era is now behind us” and that Serbia had for a number of years had a democratic government achieving excellent results in the respect for human and minority rights.-

Yeah, right jeremic, in which universe? enough of yr damn lies.

roberto frisco
(roberto, 26 November 2011 19:03)

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I guess Brammertz and them EU officials in Brussels are all bunch of liars,because all Vuk did in that sentence above that so shocked and awed cave dwellers was quote and paraphrase Brammeritz's and EU officials' statements which many on planet Earth
know about since Mladich's arrest.

You should be spending more time on reading and on knowing the Lord roberto, and quit your present ways.