Opposition party: EULEX should leave Kosovo

Agim Kelmendi,

Do you remember in 1918 the Sudets was given to Czechoslovakia? US, Britain, France supported it. Do you remember that in 1938 Germans took the Sudets back? Did US, Britain, France protect it?

Do you remember in 70th NATO country Turkey occupied a part of NATO country Cypros? Did NATO protect Cypros and Greece?

"and about the possibility of sending Serbian army and police personnel back to Kosovo. "

Funnily, this option is even granted by UN1244. If you have the incompetent KPS police in mind who are neither able nor willing to solve a single crime case of a Serbs killed by Albanians, it would make some sense.

and about the possibility of sending Serbian army and police personnel back to Kosovo.

Never in your lifetime, or your grand-grand children. Now what?

Never in your lifetime, or your grand-grand children. Now what?
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 November 2011 18:17)
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How many times do you people have to be told that nothing is up o you. If and when you build your own army capable of some sort of a force then you may say such things but while you are being protected by NATO you don't call the shots.
Since when did a small boy call the shots if he had a bully as his protector? It's the bully who is doing it for a reason and only while he is still getting something out of it.

Now I have stated on more than one occasion that EULEX was a Trojan horse. If an ordinary person like me saw this coming, makes you wonder if Tadic knew what he was letting in through the gates. I think he did, he was ordered to and until he is booted out EULEX is there to stay.

"Comm. Parrisson, 22 November 2011 20:32) "

Sure the police and army can come back - with the approval of Kfor and for certain purposes: "being a presence" at heritage sites, clearing minefields, things like that. As for EULEX leaving - sure, on flying pigs.

This article represents an interesting point of view. To date there has been the assumption that the 'west' controls everything, but now Serbia is not the pariah it once was, it is quite legitimate for it to assert its point of view by practical and active means.

I think it would be good for the EU if Serbia did assert itself in this way about the problems caused by EULEX. If Serbia is to join the EU it should be as an equal partner - that means that Serbia should be able to act as a respected entity within the politics of the EU rather than continue to be treated as if it were still an naughty school boy.

EULEX is not a well established institution - neither is it well respected. It has lost its status-neutral credentials and as such is a failure - it needs to go, and it would be as well if it were Serbia who got rid of it. I think it would be a positive sign of Serbia's future in the EU if Serbia were to take this action.

This of itself should not be a problem. Serbia is still prepared to act within the terms of 1244 (that is something of a miracle given the udi supported by the 'west' is a flagrant breach of it) and EULEX is not a necessary element of that.

I think it has become obvious that the recent mess-up was an avoidable mistake, that it has bought discredit to those who seek to impose Pristina on the north of Kosovo by amateurish means.

Actually EULEX should not be in kosovo province in the first place. it was created by this Ahtisaari Plan (not approved by Serbia and UNSC). EULEX did not act as "status neutral" and betrayed the Serbian nation. Mr. Tadic allowed EULEX to be deploy in the province. THanks to Mr. Tadic for this mess.

Agim Kelmendi is clueless! I bet he has not fought a day in his life for so called Kosova. People like him is I call all talk no action. Our kids and our grand kids will show you how important Kosovo is to us. Just wait and see US is broke and so is EU your support by other countries will be over soon. And when they are gone Serbs have different plans for people like you oh and Tachis days are also numbered! History tends to repeat it's self. Don't you remember? In the end Kosovo is Srbija!

But what about all the first class homicide investigations EULEX have executed swiftly? oh I forgot they have never done this.

If that is "European Law" then I don't think we need it. Eulex couldn't make an arrest if the criminal came up in their face and punched them. It would take them several years before the first suspect would be called for questioning.

Agim Kelmendi! one day if your NATO protectors left / abandon kosovo province. Serbian army and police will takeover wheather you like it or not.

Maybe you would like to believe that UN1244 has some sort of a "status neutral" clause...I checked and there is nothing. Here you can find the original document:

[link]

Thanks,
(KOSO, 23 November 2011 05:55)

Oh, my dear, but that link is the English version of 1244. You should check the famous Serbian version, pieces of which have been cited for years in these forums and poor Vuk even tried to use at the ICJ :) and we all know the result.

Bob, your comment shows an interesting point of view by omitting the fact that the UNSC gave the EU the mandate to take over from the UN its mission in Kosovo and so indirectly is responsible for the implementation of resolution 1244 to which Serbia and Russia/China admitted; so please don't whine.
Clear is that the 'North' is reigned by party members of the SRS which means that they are in the opposition of everything the Serbian government will propose as beneficial for the Serbian population. Portraits of Putin and Seselj instead of these from Tadic. To make it easier for Serbia they all should ask for Russian citizenship and contribute to the economy of their brothers by paying taxes and look for a dwelling and occupation there. At the end, free movement would be restored

Serbia is still prepared to act within the terms of 1244 (that is something of a miracle given the udi supported by the 'west' is a flagrant breach of it) and EULEX is not a necessary element of that.
(Bob, 22 November 2011 22:44)

Obviously you have not heard any news about Kosovo and Serbia since the summer of 2010 otherwise you'd know by now that Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with resolution 1244. In what part of the globe do you live that the news have not arrived there yet ?!

And, yes, whether Serbia is prepared or not to act within the terms of 1244 it is irrelevant. Serbia (and all others) have to act within the terms of 1244, whether they like 1244 or not.

Agim Kelmendi! one day if your NATO protectors left / abandon kosovo province. Serbian army and police will takeover wheather you like it or not.
(PRO-SERBIA, 24 November 2011 08:57)

Yes, but also after Resolution 1244 is repealed. Good luck with that :)

Instead, why not try the approach of convincing Albanians in Kosovo that living under Serbia means a better life than being independent from Serbia. That way they will ask themselves for Serbia to accept them back.

This article represents an interesting point of view. To date there has been the assumption that the 'west' controls everything, but now Serbia is not the pariah it once was, it is quite legitimate for it to assert its point of view by practical and active means.

I think it would be good for the EU if Serbia did assert itself in this way about the problems caused by EULEX. If Serbia is to join the EU it should be as an equal partner - that means that Serbia should be able to act as a respected entity within the politics of the EU rather than continue to be treated as if it were still an naughty school boy.

EULEX is not a well established institution - neither is it well respected. It has lost its status-neutral credentials and as such is a failure - it needs to go, and it would be as well if it were Serbia who got rid of it. I think it would be a positive sign of Serbia's future in the EU if Serbia were to take this action.

This of itself should not be a problem. Serbia is still prepared to act within the terms of 1244 (that is something of a miracle given the udi supported by the 'west' is a flagrant breach of it) and EULEX is not a necessary element of that.

I think it has become obvious that the recent mess-up was an avoidable mistake, that it has bought discredit to those who seek to impose Pristina on the north of Kosovo by amateurish means.
(Bob, 22 November 2011 22:44)
First, you are right abut if Serbia is to join the EU it should be as an equal, but Serbia has a long road before joining or being an equal. Once Serbia joins (if) Kosovo will no longer be an issue for Serbia.
Second, Eulex is not a critical element of 1244 the international civilian presence is whether it be deemed to be a return to UNMIK(doubtful) remain EULEX(probable) or a new entity. The one thing for sure is it is not in the scope of Serbia powers to determine. Any changes must be a consensus of the UNSC. See no action has to take place for things to remain but neither Serbia nor its master Russia can do it without the others being in agreement.
Serbia has been "asserting its point of view" from day one. Notice the ball has kept rolling and no one is really listening and it is highly doubtful tomorrow is going to be a different day.

It has lost its status-neutral credentials and as such is a failure - Bob

What is EULEX ?

Introduction:

The European Union Rule of Law Mission in Kosovo (EULEX) is the largest civilian mission ever launched under the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP). The central aim is to assist and support the Kosovo authorities in the rule of law area, specifically in the police, judiciary and customs areas. The mission is not in Kosovo to govern or rule. It is a technical mission which will monitor, mentor and advise whilst retaining a number of limited executive powers. EULEX works under the general framework of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 and has a unified chain of command to Brussels.

Source: http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/en/info/whatisEulex.php

Maybe you would like to believe that UN1244 has some sort of a "status neutral" clause...I checked and there is nothing. Here you can find the original document:

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3b00f27216.html

Thanks,

serbia has no authority of any kind... legal or moral. Any "hospitality" it believes it offers is purely delusional.

poor, poor serbia, by all means..withdraw it. and no one would care a bit. It will simply highlight the impotence serbia works oh so very hard to hide.

Actually EULEX should not be in kosovo province in the first place. it was created by this Ahtisaari Plan (not approved by Serbia and UNSC). (PRO-SERBIA, 23 November 2011 07:45)

Sure, the Plan was not approved by Serbia (who cares, it was not required) and the UNSC did not reserve for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo (so who cares that the UNSC did not approve - it was not required). The UNSG approved it; end of the story.

and about the possibility of sending Serbian army and police personnel back to Kosovo.

Never in your lifetime, or your grand-grand children. Now what?

"Comm. Parrisson, 22 November 2011 20:32) "

Sure the police and army can come back - with the approval of Kfor and for certain purposes: "being a presence" at heritage sites, clearing minefields, things like that. As for EULEX leaving - sure, on flying pigs.

This article represents an interesting point of view. To date there has been the assumption that the 'west' controls everything, but now Serbia is not the pariah it once was, it is quite legitimate for it to assert its point of view by practical and active means.

I think it would be good for the EU if Serbia did assert itself in this way about the problems caused by EULEX. If Serbia is to join the EU it should be as an equal partner - that means that Serbia should be able to act as a respected entity within the politics of the EU rather than continue to be treated as if it were still an naughty school boy.

EULEX is not a well established institution - neither is it well respected. It has lost its status-neutral credentials and as such is a failure - it needs to go, and it would be as well if it were Serbia who got rid of it. I think it would be a positive sign of Serbia's future in the EU if Serbia were to take this action.

This of itself should not be a problem. Serbia is still prepared to act within the terms of 1244 (that is something of a miracle given the udi supported by the 'west' is a flagrant breach of it) and EULEX is not a necessary element of that.

I think it has become obvious that the recent mess-up was an avoidable mistake, that it has bought discredit to those who seek to impose Pristina on the north of Kosovo by amateurish means.

serbia has no authority of any kind... legal or moral. Any "hospitality" it believes it offers is purely delusional.

poor, poor serbia, by all means..withdraw it. and no one would care a bit. It will simply highlight the impotence serbia works oh so very hard to hide.

Never in your lifetime, or your grand-grand children. Now what?
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 November 2011 18:17)
============================

How many times do you people have to be told that nothing is up o you. If and when you build your own army capable of some sort of a force then you may say such things but while you are being protected by NATO you don't call the shots.
Since when did a small boy call the shots if he had a bully as his protector? It's the bully who is doing it for a reason and only while he is still getting something out of it.

Now I have stated on more than one occasion that EULEX was a Trojan horse. If an ordinary person like me saw this coming, makes you wonder if Tadic knew what he was letting in through the gates. I think he did, he was ordered to and until he is booted out EULEX is there to stay.

It has lost its status-neutral credentials and as such is a failure - Bob

What is EULEX ?

Introduction:

The European Union Rule of Law Mission in Kosovo (EULEX) is the largest civilian mission ever launched under the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP). The central aim is to assist and support the Kosovo authorities in the rule of law area, specifically in the police, judiciary and customs areas. The mission is not in Kosovo to govern or rule. It is a technical mission which will monitor, mentor and advise whilst retaining a number of limited executive powers. EULEX works under the general framework of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 and has a unified chain of command to Brussels.

Source: http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/en/info/whatisEulex.php

Maybe you would like to believe that UN1244 has some sort of a "status neutral" clause...I checked and there is nothing. Here you can find the original document:

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3b00f27216.html

Thanks,

Agim Kelmendi,

Do you remember in 1918 the Sudets was given to Czechoslovakia? US, Britain, France supported it. Do you remember that in 1938 Germans took the Sudets back? Did US, Britain, France protect it?

Do you remember in 70th NATO country Turkey occupied a part of NATO country Cypros? Did NATO protect Cypros and Greece?

Actually EULEX should not be in kosovo province in the first place. it was created by this Ahtisaari Plan (not approved by Serbia and UNSC). (PRO-SERBIA, 23 November 2011 07:45)

Sure, the Plan was not approved by Serbia (who cares, it was not required) and the UNSC did not reserve for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo (so who cares that the UNSC did not approve - it was not required). The UNSG approved it; end of the story.

"and about the possibility of sending Serbian army and police personnel back to Kosovo. "

Funnily, this option is even granted by UN1244. If you have the incompetent KPS police in mind who are neither able nor willing to solve a single crime case of a Serbs killed by Albanians, it would make some sense.

Maybe you would like to believe that UN1244 has some sort of a "status neutral" clause...I checked and there is nothing. Here you can find the original document:

[link]

Thanks,
(KOSO, 23 November 2011 05:55)

Oh, my dear, but that link is the English version of 1244. You should check the famous Serbian version, pieces of which have been cited for years in these forums and poor Vuk even tried to use at the ICJ :) and we all know the result.

Bob, your comment shows an interesting point of view by omitting the fact that the UNSC gave the EU the mandate to take over from the UN its mission in Kosovo and so indirectly is responsible for the implementation of resolution 1244 to which Serbia and Russia/China admitted; so please don't whine.
Clear is that the 'North' is reigned by party members of the SRS which means that they are in the opposition of everything the Serbian government will propose as beneficial for the Serbian population. Portraits of Putin and Seselj instead of these from Tadic. To make it easier for Serbia they all should ask for Russian citizenship and contribute to the economy of their brothers by paying taxes and look for a dwelling and occupation there. At the end, free movement would be restored

Serbia is still prepared to act within the terms of 1244 (that is something of a miracle given the udi supported by the 'west' is a flagrant breach of it) and EULEX is not a necessary element of that.
(Bob, 22 November 2011 22:44)

Obviously you have not heard any news about Kosovo and Serbia since the summer of 2010 otherwise you'd know by now that Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with resolution 1244. In what part of the globe do you live that the news have not arrived there yet ?!

And, yes, whether Serbia is prepared or not to act within the terms of 1244 it is irrelevant. Serbia (and all others) have to act within the terms of 1244, whether they like 1244 or not.

Agim Kelmendi! one day if your NATO protectors left / abandon kosovo province. Serbian army and police will takeover wheather you like it or not.
(PRO-SERBIA, 24 November 2011 08:57)

Yes, but also after Resolution 1244 is repealed. Good luck with that :)

Instead, why not try the approach of convincing Albanians in Kosovo that living under Serbia means a better life than being independent from Serbia. That way they will ask themselves for Serbia to accept them back.

This article represents an interesting point of view. To date there has been the assumption that the 'west' controls everything, but now Serbia is not the pariah it once was, it is quite legitimate for it to assert its point of view by practical and active means.

I think it would be good for the EU if Serbia did assert itself in this way about the problems caused by EULEX. If Serbia is to join the EU it should be as an equal partner - that means that Serbia should be able to act as a respected entity within the politics of the EU rather than continue to be treated as if it were still an naughty school boy.

EULEX is not a well established institution - neither is it well respected. It has lost its status-neutral credentials and as such is a failure - it needs to go, and it would be as well if it were Serbia who got rid of it. I think it would be a positive sign of Serbia's future in the EU if Serbia were to take this action.

This of itself should not be a problem. Serbia is still prepared to act within the terms of 1244 (that is something of a miracle given the udi supported by the 'west' is a flagrant breach of it) and EULEX is not a necessary element of that.

I think it has become obvious that the recent mess-up was an avoidable mistake, that it has bought discredit to those who seek to impose Pristina on the north of Kosovo by amateurish means.
(Bob, 22 November 2011 22:44)
First, you are right abut if Serbia is to join the EU it should be as an equal, but Serbia has a long road before joining or being an equal. Once Serbia joins (if) Kosovo will no longer be an issue for Serbia.
Second, Eulex is not a critical element of 1244 the international civilian presence is whether it be deemed to be a return to UNMIK(doubtful) remain EULEX(probable) or a new entity. The one thing for sure is it is not in the scope of Serbia powers to determine. Any changes must be a consensus of the UNSC. See no action has to take place for things to remain but neither Serbia nor its master Russia can do it without the others being in agreement.
Serbia has been "asserting its point of view" from day one. Notice the ball has kept rolling and no one is really listening and it is highly doubtful tomorrow is going to be a different day.

Actually EULEX should not be in kosovo province in the first place. it was created by this Ahtisaari Plan (not approved by Serbia and UNSC). EULEX did not act as "status neutral" and betrayed the Serbian nation. Mr. Tadic allowed EULEX to be deploy in the province. THanks to Mr. Tadic for this mess.

But what about all the first class homicide investigations EULEX have executed swiftly? oh I forgot they have never done this.

If that is "European Law" then I don't think we need it. Eulex couldn't make an arrest if the criminal came up in their face and punched them. It would take them several years before the first suspect would be called for questioning.

Agim Kelmendi is clueless! I bet he has not fought a day in his life for so called Kosova. People like him is I call all talk no action. Our kids and our grand kids will show you how important Kosovo is to us. Just wait and see US is broke and so is EU your support by other countries will be over soon. And when they are gone Serbs have different plans for people like you oh and Tachis days are also numbered! History tends to repeat it's self. Don't you remember? In the end Kosovo is Srbija!

Agim Kelmendi! one day if your NATO protectors left / abandon kosovo province. Serbian army and police will takeover wheather you like it or not.