"Kosovo status issue should not be avoided"

"Serbia cannot accept Kosovo independence either directly or indirectly"

Serbia has already accepted Kosovo's independence indirectly. What we have here, is a man making a lot of noise, that is it.

Belgrade wanted "an agreement with Priština" that would be in line with the Serbian Constitution, pointing out that “Serbia cannot accept Kosovo independence either directly or indirectly” and that “it has the right to state its state and national interests.” With this approach I doubt Dacic will ever reach a REAL AGREEMENT. Good luck anyway!

Look unless Serbia's main goal is to join the EU there is no need for Serbia to ever recognize Kosovo. Kosovo south of the Ibar is defacto separated from Serbia, and not because the tough Albanians who kill Serbs scattered throughout the south but because of the West. We cannot fight the West and expect to win but we can out last the West as this is just a small interest for them.

This pressure to get Serbia to close this issue forever is proof that Serbia's position on this matters. Accept the fact that there's nothing that can be now, never ever recognize, never ever send an ambassador and only have informal relations regarding practical matters. Then wait out Kosovo's implosion.

Elementary German EU mathematics.

1. Croatia had the right to be independent from a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia.
2. Bosnian Muslims and Croats had the right to independence from Yugoslavia.
3. Albanians can create a fake state and have independence from Serbia.

The other side of the equation-

? Serbs from Krajina are not allowed independence from Croatia.
* Serbs in Bosnia are not allowed independence as Republika Srpska.
! Serbs in Kosova are not allowed independence from Albanians steeling the most holy piece of Serbia.

1+2+3 = ?*! This equation is known as German anti-slavism.

In tomorrows elementary EU maths class we will look at British anti-slavism: 1+2+3 = $$$ (the tall kid at the back of the class with the silver hair is called Boris - a bright kid, nice German name, nevertheless he is really struggling with these equations).

I'd rather learn rocket science in Russia or build walls in China.

“Serbia cannot accept Kosovo independence either directly or indirectly” and that “it has the right to state its state and national interests.”

The problem is that Prishtina has its right to state its own national interests as well. I can not see how as people we can negotiate when we start with premises of so many "NO's".

I'd rather learn rocket science in Russia or build walls in China.
(miles, 21 November 2011 11:43) Who is stopping you have a great time many miles away rocket scientist.

to icj,

This is from KAlbanian site

Formally/Informally recognized by 85 out of 193 United Nations (UN) members
Formally Recognized by 85 UN countries
(Formally recognized by 22 European Union (EU) Member States)


(aaayyy, 21 November 2011 17:37)
This is true. Also is true that 4 years before 0 out of 193 UN recognize Kosovo. Time is dynamic dear. And the dynamic seems very positive for the recognition of Kosova. And the most important information here is that 22/27 member recognized Kosova. Also I remember you that the majority of Balkan countries recognized Kosova.We both know that we live and we have intention to live in Balkan, in Europe and not elsewhere.
What worries me is that Serbia doesn’t recognize Kosova. This is harmful first for Serbia itself, second for Kosova and third for the region.

You just Copy and Pasted that from Wikipedia.
(Ian, UK, 21 November 2011 15:18)

Go ahead pat yourself on the shoulder, Einstein. lol

On 23 June 2008, President José Eduardo dos Santos sent a message to his Serbian counterpart, Boris Tadić, regarding the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo through Vicente Muanda, chargé d'affaires of the Angolan Embassy in Serbia. Muanda handed over the letter to Jovan Ratković, foreign policy advisor to the President. It reiterated the solidarity of President Eduardo dos Santos and Angola to Serbia, in regard to the preservation of its sovereignty and integrity.[109]
(aaayyy, 21 November 2011 14:09)

You just Copy and Pasted that from Wikipedia.

You just Copy and Pasted that from Wikipedia.
(Ian, UK, 21 November 2011 15:18)

Of course I do. I gave icj a link to "States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent" from Wiki, but he doesn't believe that all the countries listed under this title actually do not recognize Kosovo.

icj, have you learned you fist lesson? OK, let's continue. BTW your perseption about international law differs much from the perseption of the rest of mankind. May be you have some secret knowledge. Could you give us a link?

2. Angola
On 23 June 2008, President José Eduardo dos Santos sent a message to his Serbian counterpart, Boris Tadić, regarding the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo through Vicente Muanda, chargé d'affaires of the Angolan Embassy in Serbia. Muanda handed over the letter to Jovan Ratković, foreign policy advisor to the President. It reiterated the solidarity of President Eduardo dos Santos and Angola to Serbia, in regard to the preservation of its sovereignty and integrity.[109]

icj,

I've tried very hard, but haven't found the document which says that the US recognizes the village Komarovo as a part of Russia. Also I haven't found any US statement which says the US doesn't recognize the village Komarovo as independent state. Your conclusions?

Who is Ivica Dacic? I don t see it in the heading of the article. If he is the Deputy Prime Minister, he at least deserves some respect.

to icj,

This is from KAlbanian site

Formally/Informally recognized by 85 out of 193 United Nations (UN) members
Formally Recognized by 85 UN countries
(Formally recognized by 22 European Union (EU) Member States)

See, 193-85=108; 108>85; so most countries don't recognize Kosovo. Or you don't believe even KAlb site? You don't believe Wiki, you don't believe KAlbs, whom do you believe? Your perseption about recoznition concept is very unique indeed...

Status isue does not extist, its sloved.

dori tirana

Serbia's claim for Kosovo at the very least not lesser than Albanian, so why should Serbia recognize Kosovo?

Situation is complicated in Kosovo, but what is absolutely odd thing there is Albanian castom officer at Serbian-Serbian border.

People from the Kosovo North don't want Albanian law and Albanian order.

IMHO there are two long-term solutions
1) Serbia gets Northern Kosovo and Southern Serbian enclaves. Kosovo changes its name for example to Kosova or Dardania and gets Serbia's
recognitions
2) Kosovo remains Serbian territory with KFOR troops in (only) Albanian part of it.

to dori tirana

Our dispute with icj isn't about dynamics, but about a recognition concept. I believe it's clear for everybody that if a country says it recognizes Kosovo - it recognizes Kosovo, otherwise it is not, but icj doesn't agree with it. icj is truely icj, he deserves his nick very well.

The pressure and blackmail on Serbia to recognize "Kosovo" is very intense and revealing. The fact that it matters to the West only establishes and makes perfectly clear that the unavoidable thorn in the side of the West is UNSC Resolution 1244. It establishes Kosovo within Serbia albeit with high autonomy. As long as Serbia remains firm and never recognizes Kosovo as an independent state, it will never be one. UNSC 1244 is international law passed unanimously, and the most Kosovo will ever be, if the Serbs hold firm, is merely disputed territory. It can't enter the UN or EU. Can anyone guarantee the EU will exist at all or in its present framework in twenty or thirty years? No. The EU does not guarantee Serbia's membership at all, anyway: it's just based on hope. As long as Serbia remains firm, the UDI will fail and the terms of UNSC Resolution 1244 will have to govern the West's foreign policy because they are the ones who passed it 14-0 with one abstention. The attemped illegal theft will fail, and international law will prevail.

2. Angola
On 23 June 2008, President José Eduardo dos Santos sent a message to his Serbian counterpart, Boris Tadić, regarding the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo through Vicente Muanda, chargé d'affaires of the Angolan Embassy in Serbia. Muanda handed over the letter to Jovan Ratković, foreign policy advisor to the President. It reiterated the solidarity of President Eduardo dos Santos and Angola to Serbia, in regard to the preservation of its sovereignty and integrity.[109]
(aaayyy, 21 November 2011 14:09)

Nice, we are at 2... good progress ! Other 91 to go

to icj,

This is from KAlbanian site

Formally/Informally recognized by 85 out of 193 United Nations (UN) members
Formally Recognized by 85 UN countries
(Formally recognized by 22 European Union (EU) Member States)

See, 193-85=108; 108>85; so most countries don't recognize Kosovo. Or you don't believe even KAlb site? You don't believe Wiki, you don't believe KAlbs, whom do you believe? Your perseption about recoznition concept is very unique indeed...
(aaayyy, 21 November 2011 17:37)

Have I ever said that I trust K-Albanians more than Serbs ?! I usually trust only primary sources, not second-hand information (except if it's coming from sj). The only thing I believe are statements of 93 countries that say they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia or that say they don't recognize Kosovo as independent. Is that unreasonable to ask for the statements ?! Just continue your good job (you are already at 2 out 93) rather than relying on K-Albanians.

Elementary German EU mathematics.

1. Croatia had the right to be independent from a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia.
2. Bosnian Muslims and Croats had the right to independence from Yugoslavia.
3. Albanians can create a fake state and have independence from Serbia.

The other side of the equation-

? Serbs from Krajina are not allowed independence from Croatia.
* Serbs in Bosnia are not allowed independence as Republika Srpska.
! Serbs in Kosova are not allowed independence from Albanians steeling the most holy piece of Serbia.

1+2+3 = ?*! This equation is known as German anti-slavism.

In tomorrows elementary EU maths class we will look at British anti-slavism: 1+2+3 = $$$ (the tall kid at the back of the class with the silver hair is called Boris - a bright kid, nice German name, nevertheless he is really struggling with these equations).

I'd rather learn rocket science in Russia or build walls in China.

Look unless Serbia's main goal is to join the EU there is no need for Serbia to ever recognize Kosovo. Kosovo south of the Ibar is defacto separated from Serbia, and not because the tough Albanians who kill Serbs scattered throughout the south but because of the West. We cannot fight the West and expect to win but we can out last the West as this is just a small interest for them.

This pressure to get Serbia to close this issue forever is proof that Serbia's position on this matters. Accept the fact that there's nothing that can be now, never ever recognize, never ever send an ambassador and only have informal relations regarding practical matters. Then wait out Kosovo's implosion.

Belgrade wanted "an agreement with Priština" that would be in line with the Serbian Constitution, pointing out that “Serbia cannot accept Kosovo independence either directly or indirectly” and that “it has the right to state its state and national interests.” With this approach I doubt Dacic will ever reach a REAL AGREEMENT. Good luck anyway!

"Serbia cannot accept Kosovo independence either directly or indirectly"

Serbia has already accepted Kosovo's independence indirectly. What we have here, is a man making a lot of noise, that is it.

icj,

I've tried very hard, but haven't found the document which says that the US recognizes the village Komarovo as a part of Russia. Also I haven't found any US statement which says the US doesn't recognize the village Komarovo as independent state. Your conclusions?

to icj,

This is from KAlbanian site

Formally/Informally recognized by 85 out of 193 United Nations (UN) members
Formally Recognized by 85 UN countries
(Formally recognized by 22 European Union (EU) Member States)

See, 193-85=108; 108>85; so most countries don't recognize Kosovo. Or you don't believe even KAlb site? You don't believe Wiki, you don't believe KAlbs, whom do you believe? Your perseption about recoznition concept is very unique indeed...

icj, have you learned you fist lesson? OK, let's continue. BTW your perseption about international law differs much from the perseption of the rest of mankind. May be you have some secret knowledge. Could you give us a link?

2. Angola
On 23 June 2008, President José Eduardo dos Santos sent a message to his Serbian counterpart, Boris Tadić, regarding the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo through Vicente Muanda, chargé d'affaires of the Angolan Embassy in Serbia. Muanda handed over the letter to Jovan Ratković, foreign policy advisor to the President. It reiterated the solidarity of President Eduardo dos Santos and Angola to Serbia, in regard to the preservation of its sovereignty and integrity.[109]

Who is Ivica Dacic? I don t see it in the heading of the article. If he is the Deputy Prime Minister, he at least deserves some respect.

“Serbia cannot accept Kosovo independence either directly or indirectly” and that “it has the right to state its state and national interests.”

The problem is that Prishtina has its right to state its own national interests as well. I can not see how as people we can negotiate when we start with premises of so many "NO's".

dori tirana

Serbia's claim for Kosovo at the very least not lesser than Albanian, so why should Serbia recognize Kosovo?

Situation is complicated in Kosovo, but what is absolutely odd thing there is Albanian castom officer at Serbian-Serbian border.

People from the Kosovo North don't want Albanian law and Albanian order.

IMHO there are two long-term solutions
1) Serbia gets Northern Kosovo and Southern Serbian enclaves. Kosovo changes its name for example to Kosova or Dardania and gets Serbia's
recognitions
2) Kosovo remains Serbian territory with KFOR troops in (only) Albanian part of it.

On 23 June 2008, President José Eduardo dos Santos sent a message to his Serbian counterpart, Boris Tadić, regarding the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo through Vicente Muanda, chargé d'affaires of the Angolan Embassy in Serbia. Muanda handed over the letter to Jovan Ratković, foreign policy advisor to the President. It reiterated the solidarity of President Eduardo dos Santos and Angola to Serbia, in regard to the preservation of its sovereignty and integrity.[109]
(aaayyy, 21 November 2011 14:09)

You just Copy and Pasted that from Wikipedia.

You just Copy and Pasted that from Wikipedia.
(Ian, UK, 21 November 2011 15:18)

Of course I do. I gave icj a link to "States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent" from Wiki, but he doesn't believe that all the countries listed under this title actually do not recognize Kosovo.

I'd rather learn rocket science in Russia or build walls in China.
(miles, 21 November 2011 11:43) Who is stopping you have a great time many miles away rocket scientist.

You just Copy and Pasted that from Wikipedia.
(Ian, UK, 21 November 2011 15:18)

Go ahead pat yourself on the shoulder, Einstein. lol

to icj,

This is from KAlbanian site

Formally/Informally recognized by 85 out of 193 United Nations (UN) members
Formally Recognized by 85 UN countries
(Formally recognized by 22 European Union (EU) Member States)


(aaayyy, 21 November 2011 17:37)
This is true. Also is true that 4 years before 0 out of 193 UN recognize Kosovo. Time is dynamic dear. And the dynamic seems very positive for the recognition of Kosova. And the most important information here is that 22/27 member recognized Kosova. Also I remember you that the majority of Balkan countries recognized Kosova.We both know that we live and we have intention to live in Balkan, in Europe and not elsewhere.
What worries me is that Serbia doesn’t recognize Kosova. This is harmful first for Serbia itself, second for Kosova and third for the region.

Status isue does not extist, its sloved.

The pressure and blackmail on Serbia to recognize "Kosovo" is very intense and revealing. The fact that it matters to the West only establishes and makes perfectly clear that the unavoidable thorn in the side of the West is UNSC Resolution 1244. It establishes Kosovo within Serbia albeit with high autonomy. As long as Serbia remains firm and never recognizes Kosovo as an independent state, it will never be one. UNSC 1244 is international law passed unanimously, and the most Kosovo will ever be, if the Serbs hold firm, is merely disputed territory. It can't enter the UN or EU. Can anyone guarantee the EU will exist at all or in its present framework in twenty or thirty years? No. The EU does not guarantee Serbia's membership at all, anyway: it's just based on hope. As long as Serbia remains firm, the UDI will fail and the terms of UNSC Resolution 1244 will have to govern the West's foreign policy because they are the ones who passed it 14-0 with one abstention. The attemped illegal theft will fail, and international law will prevail.

to dori tirana

Our dispute with icj isn't about dynamics, but about a recognition concept. I believe it's clear for everybody that if a country says it recognizes Kosovo - it recognizes Kosovo, otherwise it is not, but icj doesn't agree with it. icj is truely icj, he deserves his nick very well.

2. Angola
On 23 June 2008, President José Eduardo dos Santos sent a message to his Serbian counterpart, Boris Tadić, regarding the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo through Vicente Muanda, chargé d'affaires of the Angolan Embassy in Serbia. Muanda handed over the letter to Jovan Ratković, foreign policy advisor to the President. It reiterated the solidarity of President Eduardo dos Santos and Angola to Serbia, in regard to the preservation of its sovereignty and integrity.[109]
(aaayyy, 21 November 2011 14:09)

Nice, we are at 2... good progress ! Other 91 to go

to icj,

This is from KAlbanian site

Formally/Informally recognized by 85 out of 193 United Nations (UN) members
Formally Recognized by 85 UN countries
(Formally recognized by 22 European Union (EU) Member States)

See, 193-85=108; 108>85; so most countries don't recognize Kosovo. Or you don't believe even KAlb site? You don't believe Wiki, you don't believe KAlbs, whom do you believe? Your perseption about recoznition concept is very unique indeed...
(aaayyy, 21 November 2011 17:37)

Have I ever said that I trust K-Albanians more than Serbs ?! I usually trust only primary sources, not second-hand information (except if it's coming from sj). The only thing I believe are statements of 93 countries that say they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia or that say they don't recognize Kosovo as independent. Is that unreasonable to ask for the statements ?! Just continue your good job (you are already at 2 out 93) rather than relying on K-Albanians.