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Friday, 18.11.2011.

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No agreement at Committee on Kosovo session

The deals reached in the last round of the Kosovo dialogue were criticized today by both the opposition and the ruling coalition in the Serbian parliament.

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Sumadinac

pre 12 godina

"We are like Ante(Greek mythology) at this part of earth. We don’t care for ruskie and for nobody else in the earth at this part of earth. Never, forever, nobody, no way can challenge the Albanians at this part of earth. Albanians resist 82 years of Serb Colonisation and this the clear prove of what I’m saying. God bless Russia everywhere in the world. No chance for Russia in the Albanian natural border".

(dori tirana, 19 November 2011 01:16)

Every sentence is a big lie. Becouse you are not close to Ante in (Greak Mithology .)
Your 1-st leader "Ante" part from old Latin book is:
..."Cuius fidei imperum universum date erat Georgius ille Maniakes"... =
..."Of whom faithful commander in chief universe was to give George Maniac".
The Greeks have captured your chief, king Serb Vojislav take rest of your people (including: women, children and old people) to live in the hills around the city Drach with requirement to pay tax 968yr.ago. You do not care for that ...ok.
Following statement is ridiculous lie start with "Never.. The Turks are said to you one word "Arnaut" and you are immediately left and crossed Christianity to Islam. The culmination of lies continues with:"82 yr. Serb colonization" also you living in a Serbian land for 968yr. what you say for that??? you don't care, exactly. Also I care for my people at this level I will sweep out each lier quick and fast, to not lie any more rest of the life..
Be happy and have nice day.

Bugar Skoplje

pre 12 godina

"Serbs did not accept Z4 peace plan and Oluja 1 occured.
Serbs are not accepting any deal in Kosovo case.It looks like Oluja 2.0 is the only option on the table, since serbs in Kosovo have already houses ready for them in Russia."
(Mirel from Albania,)
Serb will be accept Oluja 3.0 in your albo north from Tirana.

doodah

pre 12 godina

This is really shameful, what money does to the principles of some really is sad.

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.
(SCP UK, 19 November 2011 11:02
However Russia could consider asylum but it has no legal basis to grant citizenship.

icj1

pre 12 godina

...and how about Kosovo recognitions? You can see the list of about 71 countries under the title "States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". Those countries do not recognize Kosovo as independent, this is exactly the reason why they are listed under the title.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

if Wikipedia were to decide to include Russia under the title “countries that recognize Kosovo”, it does not mean that Russia did recognize Kosovo, unless Russia said so. That’s why I read not just the title, but also read (not just count) the details under it. And I can’t find under that title 71 countries (which, in any case, is not the majority of the world) saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia or saying they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent. But you are welcome to list those 71 countries which you see to have stated the above, in case I missed them.
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1) A country either recognize Kosovo as independent or not. You are either pragnant or you are not.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Of course you are right; only Serbs can come out with ridiculous ideas like more than autonomy but less than independence.
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2) A stance of each country is clear, it isn't a secret.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Of course, as long as you we are able to find a statement from that country that states the stance
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3) Only juridical recognitions matter
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

What is a “juridical recognition” ?!
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4) When you read about the country's position, you can come to a conclusion if the country is going to recognize Kosovo in the future. But right now it doesn't.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Sure, when you show us the statement from the country about that country’s position. How is the list going ? Are you making any progress ? We are impatiently waiting for you to show us the statements from 100+ countries which say that they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia or they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent from Serbia.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Oliver Ivanovic said that Northern Kosovo could declare its independence.
(aaayyy, 18 November 2011 21:25)

You see aaayyy; I've been saying that for a long time
(icj1, 19 November 2011 04:19)

The problem is that Croatian Serbs and Bosnian Serbs declared similar independence. Do you remember what came of it?

...and how about Kosovo recognitions? You can see the list of about 71 countries under the title "States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". Those countries do not recognize Kosovo as independent, this is exactly the reason why they are listed under the title.

1) A country either recognize Kosovo as independent or not. You are either pragnant or you are not.
2) A stance of each country is clear, it isn't a secret.
3) Only juridical recognitions matter
4) When you read about the country's position, you can come to a conclusion if the country is going to recognize Kosovo in the future. But right now it doesn't.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.
(SCP UK, 19 November 2011 11:02)

They are not asking to go and live in Russia ? How comes ?! Russia is the paradise on earth according to some brilliant economic analysis in these forums.

Anyway, if they are applying for Citizenship, Sergei said that Russia is obligated to act taking into account several factors. Russia has a citizenship law which regulates how people from other countries can acquire citizenship.

According to that Law, the applicants must have resided in Russia for 5 years, or, if they have sought asylum, for one year.

http://visalink-russia.com/russian-federation-law-russian-federation-citizenship.html

I'm sure that Albanians in Kosovo fully support Serbs desire to go and reside in Russia (hopefully not in Siberia) to get the Russian citizenship. They have to also waive Serbia or Kosovo citizenship in order to get the Russian one, so they may not be able to come back and reside in Serbia or Kosovo.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

This is really shameful, what money does to the principles of some really is sad.

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

f you want to show Respect for the Law, then you not only have to Obey it Yourself, but You Must do Everything in Your Power to help other Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

There are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on One Law for Everyone, and Full Equality Before The Law!
(Yet Another J S, 18 November 2011 13:04)
First you cannot just make up laws. 6 point plan is neither the UNSC's nor is a LAW by anyone. The 6 point plan was the result of consultations between the UNSG and Serbia. Was never voted on by the UNSC and never officially adopted by anyone. Was rejected in totality by both the Kosovo authorities and EULEX.
Second, the plan does not EXPLICITELY do anything. It says that internationals would return to the checkpoints after they were closed due to being burned down during the "peaceful and lawful" actions of the Serbs in 2008. Which were neither peaceful nor lawful.
Now if you feel differently just highlight where it says this, here is the part of the 6 point plan that covers the 2 northern checkpoints.
"35. Kosovo will continue to function as a single customs area.
36. International customs officers appointed in accordance with Security Council
resolution 1244 (1999) will be reinstated at gates 1 and 31. Their deployment
modalities will as far as possible reflect the modalities of the European integrated
border management concept, which may include co-location of customs points. The
officers will apply procedures in accordance with resolution 1244 (1999), including
the protocol between the tax administration of Serbia, acting for the Ministry of
Finance, and the UNMIK Customs Service, acting for the United Nations Interim
Administration Mission in Kosovo, on cooperation and mutual administrative
assistance on value-added tax and excise tax matters related to the transport of
goods across the Administrative Boundary Line, and annexes thereto, as well as the
agreed minutes of the bilateral meeting in the context of the Central European Free
Trade Agreement enlargement negotiations of 2006.
37. The rates consistent with the UNMIK regulation No. 2004/1 on Kosovo will be"
If you will note it does say that all of Kosovo will function as a single customs area. But it says NO WHERE that Albanians cannot be placed at the checkpoints along with EULEX. Nor does it give a timeframe that the Internationals are to stay there, only that they will return there immediately (in 2008)

icj1

pre 12 godina

Oliver Ivanovic said that Northern Kosovo could declare its independence.
(aaayyy, 18 November 2011 21:25)

You see aaayyy; I've been saying that for a long time

icj1

pre 12 godina

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.
(Yet Another J S, 18 November 2011 13:04)

Sure, but there is a small problem... you need to find those letters first which state what you say :)

icj1

pre 12 godina

However, the crucial point here is - it's not theirs to sell. As you can see, they have been rejected by Serbians on the ground and they are not leaving. The government can sign whatever they want but the reality is very different.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

Well, the reality is that Serbia is a democratic country (or so we’re told) and not Russia or China. Serbia’s leaders were elected by the Serbian people to speak for the Serbian people so they can sign agreements on behalf of the Serbian people and the Serbian people is bound by them (whether they like them or not).
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In fact, the opposition has more sway on the situation in KiM.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

That is, of course, irrelevant, since the opposition does not speak for Serbia.
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Soon with the war in the Middle East about to explode, NATO will be having other priorities.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

“Will” ?! NATO has already been having for 12 years other priorities… Dude, have you been in coma for the last 12 years ?!
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Why do you think they want to close the KiM issue now? We all know what's around the corner, don't we?
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

Around the corner of my flat, there is a tree, but not sure all know about it :)

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

albo posters with cute remarks regarding the ruskies intervention here should watch their backs and hope serb nationalists dont get fired up once the ruskies start they wont take one step back! SERBIA RISING MY BROTHERS!! SPREMTE SE SPREMTE!! george miletich
(george miletich, 18 November 2011 20:43)
Dear we are natural plant at this part of earth. We are like Ante(Greek mythology) at this part of earth. We don’t care for ruskie and for nobody else in the earth at this part of earth. Never, forever, nobody, no way can challenge the Albanians at this part of earth. Albanians resist 82 years of Serb Colonisation and this the clear prove of what I’m saying. God bless Russia everywhere in the world. No chance for Russia in the Albanian natural border.

Viktor I

pre 12 godina

@ Mirel,

Except this time Russia isn't on the verge of financial collapse. The NATO countries are :)

Now its time to reverse the unjustice perpetrated by the West in the 90's.
What goes around, comes around.

george miletich

pre 12 godina

albo posters with cute remarks regarding the ruskies intervention here should watch their backs and hope serb nationalists dont get fired up once the ruskies start they wont take one step back! SERBIA RISING MY BROTHERS!! SPREMTE SE SPREMTE!! george miletich

Mirel from Albania

pre 12 godina

Serbs did not accept Z4 peace plan and Oluja 1 occured.
Serbs are not accepting any deal in Kosovo case.It looks like Oluja 2.0 is the only option on the table, since serbs in Kosovo have already houses ready for them in Russia.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

"By the will of UNMIK, Security Council and large powers, Kosovo-Metohija has been gaining statehood prerogatives since 1999. That is a reality," he underlined.
I just love the punch line. No further comment on this long article.
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 November 2011 17:53)
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Yes Kosovo-USA, we know it also. In fact he left out another important detail. Tadic, his DS party and sell-outs have been assisting the West also.

However, the crucial point here is - it's not theirs to sell. As you can see, they have been rejected by Serbians on the ground and they are not leaving. The government can sign whatever they want but the reality is very different. In fact, the opposition has more sway on the situation in KiM. Soon with the war in the Middle East about to explode, NATO will be having other priorities. Why do you think they want to close the KiM issue now? We all know what's around the corner, don't we?

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

"By the will of UNMIK, Security Council and large powers, Kosovo-Metohija has been gaining statehood prerogatives since 1999. That is a reality," he underlined.

I just love the punch line. No further comment on this long article.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If you want to show Respect for the Law, then you not only have to Obey it Yourself, but You Must do Everything in Your Power to help other Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

There are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on One Law for Everyone, and Full Equality Before The Law!

Zoran

pre 12 godina

"By the will of UNMIK, Security Council and large powers, Kosovo-Metohija has been gaining statehood prerogatives since 1999. That is a reality," he underlined.
I just love the punch line. No further comment on this long article.
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 November 2011 17:53)
--
Yes Kosovo-USA, we know it also. In fact he left out another important detail. Tadic, his DS party and sell-outs have been assisting the West also.

However, the crucial point here is - it's not theirs to sell. As you can see, they have been rejected by Serbians on the ground and they are not leaving. The government can sign whatever they want but the reality is very different. In fact, the opposition has more sway on the situation in KiM. Soon with the war in the Middle East about to explode, NATO will be having other priorities. Why do you think they want to close the KiM issue now? We all know what's around the corner, don't we?

george miletich

pre 12 godina

albo posters with cute remarks regarding the ruskies intervention here should watch their backs and hope serb nationalists dont get fired up once the ruskies start they wont take one step back! SERBIA RISING MY BROTHERS!! SPREMTE SE SPREMTE!! george miletich

Viktor I

pre 12 godina

@ Mirel,

Except this time Russia isn't on the verge of financial collapse. The NATO countries are :)

Now its time to reverse the unjustice perpetrated by the West in the 90's.
What goes around, comes around.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

"By the will of UNMIK, Security Council and large powers, Kosovo-Metohija has been gaining statehood prerogatives since 1999. That is a reality," he underlined.

I just love the punch line. No further comment on this long article.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If you want to show Respect for the Law, then you not only have to Obey it Yourself, but You Must do Everything in Your Power to help other Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

There are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on One Law for Everyone, and Full Equality Before The Law!

Mirel from Albania

pre 12 godina

Serbs did not accept Z4 peace plan and Oluja 1 occured.
Serbs are not accepting any deal in Kosovo case.It looks like Oluja 2.0 is the only option on the table, since serbs in Kosovo have already houses ready for them in Russia.

icj1

pre 12 godina

...and how about Kosovo recognitions? You can see the list of about 71 countries under the title "States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". Those countries do not recognize Kosovo as independent, this is exactly the reason why they are listed under the title.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

if Wikipedia were to decide to include Russia under the title “countries that recognize Kosovo”, it does not mean that Russia did recognize Kosovo, unless Russia said so. That’s why I read not just the title, but also read (not just count) the details under it. And I can’t find under that title 71 countries (which, in any case, is not the majority of the world) saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia or saying they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent. But you are welcome to list those 71 countries which you see to have stated the above, in case I missed them.
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1) A country either recognize Kosovo as independent or not. You are either pragnant or you are not.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Of course you are right; only Serbs can come out with ridiculous ideas like more than autonomy but less than independence.
----------

2) A stance of each country is clear, it isn't a secret.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Of course, as long as you we are able to find a statement from that country that states the stance
----------

3) Only juridical recognitions matter
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

What is a “juridical recognition” ?!
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4) When you read about the country's position, you can come to a conclusion if the country is going to recognize Kosovo in the future. But right now it doesn't.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Sure, when you show us the statement from the country about that country’s position. How is the list going ? Are you making any progress ? We are impatiently waiting for you to show us the statements from 100+ countries which say that they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia or they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent from Serbia.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.
(SCP UK, 19 November 2011 11:02)

They are not asking to go and live in Russia ? How comes ?! Russia is the paradise on earth according to some brilliant economic analysis in these forums.

Anyway, if they are applying for Citizenship, Sergei said that Russia is obligated to act taking into account several factors. Russia has a citizenship law which regulates how people from other countries can acquire citizenship.

According to that Law, the applicants must have resided in Russia for 5 years, or, if they have sought asylum, for one year.

http://visalink-russia.com/russian-federation-law-russian-federation-citizenship.html

I'm sure that Albanians in Kosovo fully support Serbs desire to go and reside in Russia (hopefully not in Siberia) to get the Russian citizenship. They have to also waive Serbia or Kosovo citizenship in order to get the Russian one, so they may not be able to come back and reside in Serbia or Kosovo.

doodah

pre 12 godina

This is really shameful, what money does to the principles of some really is sad.

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.
(SCP UK, 19 November 2011 11:02
However Russia could consider asylum but it has no legal basis to grant citizenship.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

This is really shameful, what money does to the principles of some really is sad.

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.

Sumadinac

pre 12 godina

"We are like Ante(Greek mythology) at this part of earth. We don’t care for ruskie and for nobody else in the earth at this part of earth. Never, forever, nobody, no way can challenge the Albanians at this part of earth. Albanians resist 82 years of Serb Colonisation and this the clear prove of what I’m saying. God bless Russia everywhere in the world. No chance for Russia in the Albanian natural border".

(dori tirana, 19 November 2011 01:16)

Every sentence is a big lie. Becouse you are not close to Ante in (Greak Mithology .)
Your 1-st leader "Ante" part from old Latin book is:
..."Cuius fidei imperum universum date erat Georgius ille Maniakes"... =
..."Of whom faithful commander in chief universe was to give George Maniac".
The Greeks have captured your chief, king Serb Vojislav take rest of your people (including: women, children and old people) to live in the hills around the city Drach with requirement to pay tax 968yr.ago. You do not care for that ...ok.
Following statement is ridiculous lie start with "Never.. The Turks are said to you one word "Arnaut" and you are immediately left and crossed Christianity to Islam. The culmination of lies continues with:"82 yr. Serb colonization" also you living in a Serbian land for 968yr. what you say for that??? you don't care, exactly. Also I care for my people at this level I will sweep out each lier quick and fast, to not lie any more rest of the life..
Be happy and have nice day.

icj1

pre 12 godina

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.
(Yet Another J S, 18 November 2011 13:04)

Sure, but there is a small problem... you need to find those letters first which state what you say :)

Bugar Skoplje

pre 12 godina

"Serbs did not accept Z4 peace plan and Oluja 1 occured.
Serbs are not accepting any deal in Kosovo case.It looks like Oluja 2.0 is the only option on the table, since serbs in Kosovo have already houses ready for them in Russia."
(Mirel from Albania,)
Serb will be accept Oluja 3.0 in your albo north from Tirana.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

albo posters with cute remarks regarding the ruskies intervention here should watch their backs and hope serb nationalists dont get fired up once the ruskies start they wont take one step back! SERBIA RISING MY BROTHERS!! SPREMTE SE SPREMTE!! george miletich
(george miletich, 18 November 2011 20:43)
Dear we are natural plant at this part of earth. We are like Ante(Greek mythology) at this part of earth. We don’t care for ruskie and for nobody else in the earth at this part of earth. Never, forever, nobody, no way can challenge the Albanians at this part of earth. Albanians resist 82 years of Serb Colonisation and this the clear prove of what I’m saying. God bless Russia everywhere in the world. No chance for Russia in the Albanian natural border.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Oliver Ivanovic said that Northern Kosovo could declare its independence.
(aaayyy, 18 November 2011 21:25)

You see aaayyy; I've been saying that for a long time

icj1

pre 12 godina

However, the crucial point here is - it's not theirs to sell. As you can see, they have been rejected by Serbians on the ground and they are not leaving. The government can sign whatever they want but the reality is very different.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

Well, the reality is that Serbia is a democratic country (or so we’re told) and not Russia or China. Serbia’s leaders were elected by the Serbian people to speak for the Serbian people so they can sign agreements on behalf of the Serbian people and the Serbian people is bound by them (whether they like them or not).
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In fact, the opposition has more sway on the situation in KiM.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

That is, of course, irrelevant, since the opposition does not speak for Serbia.
----------

Soon with the war in the Middle East about to explode, NATO will be having other priorities.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

“Will” ?! NATO has already been having for 12 years other priorities… Dude, have you been in coma for the last 12 years ?!
----------

Why do you think they want to close the KiM issue now? We all know what's around the corner, don't we?
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

Around the corner of my flat, there is a tree, but not sure all know about it :)

a New Day

pre 12 godina

f you want to show Respect for the Law, then you not only have to Obey it Yourself, but You Must do Everything in Your Power to help other Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

There are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on One Law for Everyone, and Full Equality Before The Law!
(Yet Another J S, 18 November 2011 13:04)
First you cannot just make up laws. 6 point plan is neither the UNSC's nor is a LAW by anyone. The 6 point plan was the result of consultations between the UNSG and Serbia. Was never voted on by the UNSC and never officially adopted by anyone. Was rejected in totality by both the Kosovo authorities and EULEX.
Second, the plan does not EXPLICITELY do anything. It says that internationals would return to the checkpoints after they were closed due to being burned down during the "peaceful and lawful" actions of the Serbs in 2008. Which were neither peaceful nor lawful.
Now if you feel differently just highlight where it says this, here is the part of the 6 point plan that covers the 2 northern checkpoints.
"35. Kosovo will continue to function as a single customs area.
36. International customs officers appointed in accordance with Security Council
resolution 1244 (1999) will be reinstated at gates 1 and 31. Their deployment
modalities will as far as possible reflect the modalities of the European integrated
border management concept, which may include co-location of customs points. The
officers will apply procedures in accordance with resolution 1244 (1999), including
the protocol between the tax administration of Serbia, acting for the Ministry of
Finance, and the UNMIK Customs Service, acting for the United Nations Interim
Administration Mission in Kosovo, on cooperation and mutual administrative
assistance on value-added tax and excise tax matters related to the transport of
goods across the Administrative Boundary Line, and annexes thereto, as well as the
agreed minutes of the bilateral meeting in the context of the Central European Free
Trade Agreement enlargement negotiations of 2006.
37. The rates consistent with the UNMIK regulation No. 2004/1 on Kosovo will be"
If you will note it does say that all of Kosovo will function as a single customs area. But it says NO WHERE that Albanians cannot be placed at the checkpoints along with EULEX. Nor does it give a timeframe that the Internationals are to stay there, only that they will return there immediately (in 2008)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Oliver Ivanovic said that Northern Kosovo could declare its independence.
(aaayyy, 18 November 2011 21:25)

You see aaayyy; I've been saying that for a long time
(icj1, 19 November 2011 04:19)

The problem is that Croatian Serbs and Bosnian Serbs declared similar independence. Do you remember what came of it?

...and how about Kosovo recognitions? You can see the list of about 71 countries under the title "States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". Those countries do not recognize Kosovo as independent, this is exactly the reason why they are listed under the title.

1) A country either recognize Kosovo as independent or not. You are either pragnant or you are not.
2) A stance of each country is clear, it isn't a secret.
3) Only juridical recognitions matter
4) When you read about the country's position, you can come to a conclusion if the country is going to recognize Kosovo in the future. But right now it doesn't.

Mirel from Albania

pre 12 godina

Serbs did not accept Z4 peace plan and Oluja 1 occured.
Serbs are not accepting any deal in Kosovo case.It looks like Oluja 2.0 is the only option on the table, since serbs in Kosovo have already houses ready for them in Russia.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

"By the will of UNMIK, Security Council and large powers, Kosovo-Metohija has been gaining statehood prerogatives since 1999. That is a reality," he underlined.

I just love the punch line. No further comment on this long article.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If you want to show Respect for the Law, then you not only have to Obey it Yourself, but You Must do Everything in Your Power to help other Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

There are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on One Law for Everyone, and Full Equality Before The Law!

Zoran

pre 12 godina

"By the will of UNMIK, Security Council and large powers, Kosovo-Metohija has been gaining statehood prerogatives since 1999. That is a reality," he underlined.
I just love the punch line. No further comment on this long article.
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 November 2011 17:53)
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Yes Kosovo-USA, we know it also. In fact he left out another important detail. Tadic, his DS party and sell-outs have been assisting the West also.

However, the crucial point here is - it's not theirs to sell. As you can see, they have been rejected by Serbians on the ground and they are not leaving. The government can sign whatever they want but the reality is very different. In fact, the opposition has more sway on the situation in KiM. Soon with the war in the Middle East about to explode, NATO will be having other priorities. Why do you think they want to close the KiM issue now? We all know what's around the corner, don't we?

george miletich

pre 12 godina

albo posters with cute remarks regarding the ruskies intervention here should watch their backs and hope serb nationalists dont get fired up once the ruskies start they wont take one step back! SERBIA RISING MY BROTHERS!! SPREMTE SE SPREMTE!! george miletich

Viktor I

pre 12 godina

@ Mirel,

Except this time Russia isn't on the verge of financial collapse. The NATO countries are :)

Now its time to reverse the unjustice perpetrated by the West in the 90's.
What goes around, comes around.

icj1

pre 12 godina

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.
(Yet Another J S, 18 November 2011 13:04)

Sure, but there is a small problem... you need to find those letters first which state what you say :)

icj1

pre 12 godina

Oliver Ivanovic said that Northern Kosovo could declare its independence.
(aaayyy, 18 November 2011 21:25)

You see aaayyy; I've been saying that for a long time

icj1

pre 12 godina

However, the crucial point here is - it's not theirs to sell. As you can see, they have been rejected by Serbians on the ground and they are not leaving. The government can sign whatever they want but the reality is very different.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

Well, the reality is that Serbia is a democratic country (or so we’re told) and not Russia or China. Serbia’s leaders were elected by the Serbian people to speak for the Serbian people so they can sign agreements on behalf of the Serbian people and the Serbian people is bound by them (whether they like them or not).
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In fact, the opposition has more sway on the situation in KiM.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

That is, of course, irrelevant, since the opposition does not speak for Serbia.
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Soon with the war in the Middle East about to explode, NATO will be having other priorities.
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

“Will” ?! NATO has already been having for 12 years other priorities… Dude, have you been in coma for the last 12 years ?!
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Why do you think they want to close the KiM issue now? We all know what's around the corner, don't we?
(Zoran, 18 November 2011 18:28)

Around the corner of my flat, there is a tree, but not sure all know about it :)

a New Day

pre 12 godina

f you want to show Respect for the Law, then you not only have to Obey it Yourself, but You Must do Everything in Your Power to help other Respect for the Law, by Obeying it.

This is why Serbia Must Insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

There are Peace and Harmony Issues involved here also, but the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on One Law for Everyone, and Full Equality Before The Law!
(Yet Another J S, 18 November 2011 13:04)
First you cannot just make up laws. 6 point plan is neither the UNSC's nor is a LAW by anyone. The 6 point plan was the result of consultations between the UNSG and Serbia. Was never voted on by the UNSC and never officially adopted by anyone. Was rejected in totality by both the Kosovo authorities and EULEX.
Second, the plan does not EXPLICITELY do anything. It says that internationals would return to the checkpoints after they were closed due to being burned down during the "peaceful and lawful" actions of the Serbs in 2008. Which were neither peaceful nor lawful.
Now if you feel differently just highlight where it says this, here is the part of the 6 point plan that covers the 2 northern checkpoints.
"35. Kosovo will continue to function as a single customs area.
36. International customs officers appointed in accordance with Security Council
resolution 1244 (1999) will be reinstated at gates 1 and 31. Their deployment
modalities will as far as possible reflect the modalities of the European integrated
border management concept, which may include co-location of customs points. The
officers will apply procedures in accordance with resolution 1244 (1999), including
the protocol between the tax administration of Serbia, acting for the Ministry of
Finance, and the UNMIK Customs Service, acting for the United Nations Interim
Administration Mission in Kosovo, on cooperation and mutual administrative
assistance on value-added tax and excise tax matters related to the transport of
goods across the Administrative Boundary Line, and annexes thereto, as well as the
agreed minutes of the bilateral meeting in the context of the Central European Free
Trade Agreement enlargement negotiations of 2006.
37. The rates consistent with the UNMIK regulation No. 2004/1 on Kosovo will be"
If you will note it does say that all of Kosovo will function as a single customs area. But it says NO WHERE that Albanians cannot be placed at the checkpoints along with EULEX. Nor does it give a timeframe that the Internationals are to stay there, only that they will return there immediately (in 2008)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Oliver Ivanovic said that Northern Kosovo could declare its independence.
(aaayyy, 18 November 2011 21:25)

You see aaayyy; I've been saying that for a long time
(icj1, 19 November 2011 04:19)

The problem is that Croatian Serbs and Bosnian Serbs declared similar independence. Do you remember what came of it?

...and how about Kosovo recognitions? You can see the list of about 71 countries under the title "States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". Those countries do not recognize Kosovo as independent, this is exactly the reason why they are listed under the title.

1) A country either recognize Kosovo as independent or not. You are either pragnant or you are not.
2) A stance of each country is clear, it isn't a secret.
3) Only juridical recognitions matter
4) When you read about the country's position, you can come to a conclusion if the country is going to recognize Kosovo in the future. But right now it doesn't.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

albo posters with cute remarks regarding the ruskies intervention here should watch their backs and hope serb nationalists dont get fired up once the ruskies start they wont take one step back! SERBIA RISING MY BROTHERS!! SPREMTE SE SPREMTE!! george miletich
(george miletich, 18 November 2011 20:43)
Dear we are natural plant at this part of earth. We are like Ante(Greek mythology) at this part of earth. We don’t care for ruskie and for nobody else in the earth at this part of earth. Never, forever, nobody, no way can challenge the Albanians at this part of earth. Albanians resist 82 years of Serb Colonisation and this the clear prove of what I’m saying. God bless Russia everywhere in the world. No chance for Russia in the Albanian natural border.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.
(SCP UK, 19 November 2011 11:02)

They are not asking to go and live in Russia ? How comes ?! Russia is the paradise on earth according to some brilliant economic analysis in these forums.

Anyway, if they are applying for Citizenship, Sergei said that Russia is obligated to act taking into account several factors. Russia has a citizenship law which regulates how people from other countries can acquire citizenship.

According to that Law, the applicants must have resided in Russia for 5 years, or, if they have sought asylum, for one year.

http://visalink-russia.com/russian-federation-law-russian-federation-citizenship.html

I'm sure that Albanians in Kosovo fully support Serbs desire to go and reside in Russia (hopefully not in Siberia) to get the Russian citizenship. They have to also waive Serbia or Kosovo citizenship in order to get the Russian one, so they may not be able to come back and reside in Serbia or Kosovo.

icj1

pre 12 godina

...and how about Kosovo recognitions? You can see the list of about 71 countries under the title "States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". Those countries do not recognize Kosovo as independent, this is exactly the reason why they are listed under the title.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

if Wikipedia were to decide to include Russia under the title “countries that recognize Kosovo”, it does not mean that Russia did recognize Kosovo, unless Russia said so. That’s why I read not just the title, but also read (not just count) the details under it. And I can’t find under that title 71 countries (which, in any case, is not the majority of the world) saying they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia or saying they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent. But you are welcome to list those 71 countries which you see to have stated the above, in case I missed them.
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1) A country either recognize Kosovo as independent or not. You are either pragnant or you are not.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Of course you are right; only Serbs can come out with ridiculous ideas like more than autonomy but less than independence.
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2) A stance of each country is clear, it isn't a secret.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Of course, as long as you we are able to find a statement from that country that states the stance
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3) Only juridical recognitions matter
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

What is a “juridical recognition” ?!
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4) When you read about the country's position, you can come to a conclusion if the country is going to recognize Kosovo in the future. But right now it doesn't.
(aaayyy, 19 November 2011 19:49)

Sure, when you show us the statement from the country about that country’s position. How is the list going ? Are you making any progress ? We are impatiently waiting for you to show us the statements from 100+ countries which say that they recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia or they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent from Serbia.

Sumadinac

pre 12 godina

"We are like Ante(Greek mythology) at this part of earth. We don’t care for ruskie and for nobody else in the earth at this part of earth. Never, forever, nobody, no way can challenge the Albanians at this part of earth. Albanians resist 82 years of Serb Colonisation and this the clear prove of what I’m saying. God bless Russia everywhere in the world. No chance for Russia in the Albanian natural border".

(dori tirana, 19 November 2011 01:16)

Every sentence is a big lie. Becouse you are not close to Ante in (Greak Mithology .)
Your 1-st leader "Ante" part from old Latin book is:
..."Cuius fidei imperum universum date erat Georgius ille Maniakes"... =
..."Of whom faithful commander in chief universe was to give George Maniac".
The Greeks have captured your chief, king Serb Vojislav take rest of your people (including: women, children and old people) to live in the hills around the city Drach with requirement to pay tax 968yr.ago. You do not care for that ...ok.
Following statement is ridiculous lie start with "Never.. The Turks are said to you one word "Arnaut" and you are immediately left and crossed Christianity to Islam. The culmination of lies continues with:"82 yr. Serb colonization" also you living in a Serbian land for 968yr. what you say for that??? you don't care, exactly. Also I care for my people at this level I will sweep out each lier quick and fast, to not lie any more rest of the life..
Be happy and have nice day.

Bugar Skoplje

pre 12 godina

"Serbs did not accept Z4 peace plan and Oluja 1 occured.
Serbs are not accepting any deal in Kosovo case.It looks like Oluja 2.0 is the only option on the table, since serbs in Kosovo have already houses ready for them in Russia."
(Mirel from Albania,)
Serb will be accept Oluja 3.0 in your albo north from Tirana.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

This is really shameful, what money does to the principles of some really is sad.

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.

doodah

pre 12 godina

This is really shameful, what money does to the principles of some really is sad.

Also I think I need to clear up these albanians over the issue of Russia's involvement and Kosovo Serb applications for Russian citizenship. They are applying for CITIZENSHIP AND NOT ASYLUM, the difference is a Russian citizenship will require active protection by Russia, they are not asking to go and live in Russia, if they were they would have all left Kosovo by now.
(SCP UK, 19 November 2011 11:02
However Russia could consider asylum but it has no legal basis to grant citizenship.