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Wednesday, 16.11.2011.

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Serbian president confers with British PM

Serbian President Boris Tadić conferred Wednesday with British Prime Minister David Cameron at the start of his first official visit to Great Britain.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"aaayyy"
What you going to do if the Englishman says "take the whole of Kosovo".
(Jugovic, 17 November 2011 01:32)

It isn't up to the Englishman alone to say such things without coordination with other Western politicians, but if the international situation allows Serbia to take whole of Kosovo:

Personaly I live far from the Balkans and I am not a Serbs, but if it were up to me:
1)Sure I wouldn't allow a single person representing Prishtina authority to show up in the northern Kosovo.
2) I would restore all full-scaled Serbian institutions in northern Kosovo
3) I would try to accelerate Serbia's admition into the EU provided it is still polular among the people. I guess EU is the only common purpose of Serbs and Albanians and other peoples living in Serbia, though lately it got less popular because of the crisis.
4) Most probably I wouldn't try to control Albanian regions of Kosovo, since IMHO there are only two ways to do it effectivly:
a) ethnic cleansing - too many people have to be cleansed (contrary to recent ethnic cleansing in Croatia) and the police isn't quite qualified for it.
b) pouring huge amount of money into those regions at the expence of loyal population, just like Russia does in Chechnia - I don't like it

I would rather EU tries to feed and denocratize KAlbanians under Serbian control. Let KAlbanians be their problem.

5) Large problem remains how to provide security and connection with central Serbia for the Southern Serbian enclaves

femi

pre 12 godina

Cameron is angry with Germans and so he might support wrong footet Serbia!
You seem not to understand the word "peace and stability in the Balkans"!! which both; Britain and Germany support and stand for!

Time of Serbia shining in international arena are gone!!

Wally

pre 12 godina

SCP- Much of what you say is true. One correction: The Guardian ( I am a Telegraph reader) has really tried lately to give an objective angle on the incredibly irresponsible actions during and after the breakup of Yugoslavia. And it is true, Churchill did nothing for the Serbs, in fact betrayed us.
On another topic, Cameron is pretty pissed off with the Germans at the moment and he may find it entertaining to support the Serbs a bit. Who knows, miracles happen.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

So please, none of this crap about Britain and Serbia being friends.
(SCP UK, 16 November 2011 18:58)
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Well said SCP. I couldn't agree more. "The forgotten 500" by Gregory Freeman is a good book on the subject. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbJyhDnbRI

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

Wally, I see what you mean about the guardian, there have been some recent articles which question some things that happen in Kosovo, however my comment referred more to the guardian during the time of the wars. As much as I would like to see Cameron support the Serbs, I am pretty confident he wont. Suddenly supporting the Serbs is a rather large and drastic change in foreign policy, it is still in his interests to see Serbia crumble to the EU.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

@Ian UK, I think I need to set you straight on some of your ridiculous statements.

First of all with regards to your stupid assumption about the British media. If you honestly belive that the British media is truly free to report what they want on international issues then you are either hugely naive or completely stupid. The BBC and other mainstream media institutions in the UK such as Sky news took an anti-Serb stance because they were obliged to, don't go saying that was their own free choice. As for the Guardian, that is simply a pretentious liberal newspaper which thinks it knows everything about every situation happening in the world, one of the machines generating political correctness which has the interest of promoting anti-Serb sentiment. Oh and lets not forget the ITN set up and hoax where it falsely portrayed a refugee camp to be a concentration camp in Bosnia, this has proved to have been a set up.

Also with your comment about the UK and Serbia being friends and allies, on a social level this is just utterly false. This so called friendship ended with the Serbs in 1943 when the UK betrayed the Royalist Chetnik fighters who fought communism and nazism, the UK continued to be friends of the communist Yugoslavs, not Serbs. The UK took active part then in destroying Yugoslavia and any Serb objectives in the break-up of Yugoslavia, when it was not their business to, typical arrogant British leadership sticking it's nose in where it isn't wanted. Then Britain also took part in bombing the hell out of Serbia, and later on recognizing Kosovo. So please, none of this crap about Britain and Serbia being friends.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

There is no chance in Hell that Serbia will sue the UK, Serbia wouldn't be able to put up half a legal argument against the UK. Serbia would loose such a legal battle before they begin.
(Ion)

I think that illegal bombing in 1999 is a legal argument against the UK. Though I absolutely agree with you that Serbia would loose such a battle before they begin, just like ordinary citizen would lose any battle with millonear.

I am afraid tt's personally you who has friendly feelings toward Serbia, not UK :)

george miletich

pre 12 godina

do not forget who bombed us my brothers!do you think serbs would be welcome in england if we bombed london? my ancestors fought the muslim invaders centurys ago with stone knives and were still here! when it gets tough serbs dig in lets not forget who we are!! military buildup comming for serbia. george miletich

Stefan

pre 12 godina

I demand from Tadic to stop that meeting and shut down the Serbian embacy in englnd,including all other connections with that country. The first reason is their sheltering of a war criminal accusee from the 90s war Ejup Ganic from Bosnia. They have no right to blame a Belgrade court for coruption and ignore all other blames of coruption on ICTY,Bosnian court (wic only tries Serbs and Croats), the Croatian court (wich only tries Serbs and Bosnians) while the Belgrade court has tried all the parties of the war including Serbs and Albanians,and trust me ,we will be glad to trie Clinton,Cameron and Tony Blair.

The second reason is this cind of propaganda in wich,even when they award Serb arhcitecture,their yournalists make sure np one visits the locations with serbofobic insults that Serbian soldiers "terrorised" Albanians,but forgeting to mention AGAIII…II N how much those moslems terrorised our people. The Panda bar masacre is stil the worst crie in all history of war and the Albanians feel proud of killing 4 Serbian children in retaliation for their dead soldiers.

[link]

Serbian monks sheltered Serbian victims of war,TERRORISED BY ALBANIANS,I already wrote to our embacy to sue Engalnd and Guardian,if it's not done then the embacy needs to be shut down. Serbian soldiers were defendiang our land Kosovo,only terrorists there were the KLA. There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery.

WHEN WILL ENGLAND STOP THEIR WAYS? Slavery,war crimes trought 500 years of their short existence? I know they claim to be older but the paganic days don't count. Saxony was a kingdom untill 14-15th century thus England exists after that.
(SerbNik, 16 November 2011 12:09)

LOL Some people's ignorance truly amazes me.

metrod

pre 12 godina

" There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery. "

Come on guy. There are Albanian Orthodox, Catholics and even Albanian Jews. Read a little.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

(SerbNik, 16 November 2011 12:09)

You can't actually believe everything you've just said?

I admit the UK is guilty of War Crimes. I for one would love to see Blair tried in the Hague. Some journalists tended to be anti-Serbian during the Yugoslav Wars, however some were also pro-Serbian. Some journalists have been pro and anti Croat, Bosniak and K-Albanian. But that is freedom of media and freedom of speech for you. Ok you may disagree with some of The Guardian's journalists, but you can't sue them. That is ridiculous because of freedom of media and freedom of speech. I think it would have been better and more truthful if journalists had shown that Bosniaks, Croats, K-Albanians and Serbs were all guilty of War Crimes and that they were all victims of War Crimes too. But journalists are free to portray things as they want.

There is no chance in Hell that Serbia will sue the UK, Serbia wouldn't be able to put up half a legal argument against the UK. Serbia would loose such a legal battle before they begin.

Also cutting off all contacts (political, economic and social) with the UK (or as you say England), would be bad for Serbia but not really affect the UK. Nothing will be achieved by shutting down the Serbian Embassy in London. Even though Westminster and Belgrade don't always see eye to eye on all issues, the UK is allied with Serbia. The UK wants to invest more in Serbia, help Serbia economically. You might find it hard to believe but the UK is Serbia's friend. And historically we always have been.

Also just to let you know, Saxony is in Germany not England. Another bit of history for you, the English Kingdoms (Wessex, Mercia, East Anglia, Northumberland, Kent, Cumberland and Cornwall) were unified by King Æthelstan the Glorious from 924-927, thus the establishment of the Kingdom of England.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

I realized that I should have mentioned that the Giving and Accepting of the European Union Trinkets Must be Obligation Free, and that the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo Must be Fully Implemented to the Letter.
(Yet Another J S, 16 November 2011 11:04)'
Curious as to if you even have a clue as to what you are talking about. What exactly is it that needs to be implemented in the 6 point plan. Read it carefully before you answer, as you will find out that it mainly says that dialogue on subjects will take place and that certain things will happen but if you do not add to it then there is very little in there that will help Serbs. Like it says that immediately internationals will return to the checkpoints in the north and reopen them and start charging customs on goods(this after the Serbs burned them down). Then it says dialogue will take place on how the taxes are to be spent, with "some" of it going to local community development. Notice 2 things it never mentions that Kosovo customs is not to accompany the internationals or that the internationals are to control it for any certain length of time nor does it ever stipulate "who" is going to be in the dialogue mentioned many times. So to fully implement the 6 point plan EULEX officials must be allowed to pass to the gates and begin charging customs taxes on goods per 6 point plan.
Now what other specific parts of 6 point plan must be immediately implemented? Real points not the ones you have dreamed up.

Bilbao

pre 12 godina

What happen first it was wait for:
1) ICJ then no Serb ever talks of it.
2) 1244 must be as per it then No Serbs talks about it.
3) Now 6 point plan to the key ...

you see just talk why you keep pushing back things then when you get in check mate position you want new stuff.

SerbNik

pre 12 godina

I demand from Tadic to stop that meeting and shut down the Serbian embacy in englnd,including all other connections with that country. The first reason is their sheltering of a war criminal accusee from the 90s war Ejup Ganic from Bosnia. They have no right to blame a Belgrade court for coruption and ignore all other blames of coruption on ICTY,Bosnian court (wic only tries Serbs and Croats), the Croatian court (wich only tries Serbs and Bosnians) while the Belgrade court has tried all the parties of the war including Serbs and Albanians,and trust me ,we will be glad to trie Clinton,Cameron and Tony Blair.

The second reason is this cind of propaganda in wich,even when they award Serb arhcitecture,their yournalists make sure np one visits the locations with serbofobic insults that Serbian soldiers "terrorised" Albanians,but forgeting to mention AGAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN how much those moslems terrorised our people. The Panda bar masacre is stil the worst crie in all history of war and the Albanians feel proud of killing 4 Serbian children in retaliation for their dead soldiers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2011/nov/11/visoki-decani-monastery-kosovo?newsfeed=true

Serbian monks sheltered Serbian victims of war,TERRORISED BY ALBANIANS,I already wrote to our embacy to sue Engalnd and Guardian,if it's not done then the embacy needs to be shut down. Serbian soldiers were defendiang our land Kosovo,only terrorists there were the KLA. There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery.

WHEN WILL ENGLAND STOP THEIR WAYS? Slavery,war crimes trought 500 years of their short existence? I know they claim to be older but the paganic days don't count. Saxony was a kingdom untill 14-15th century thus England exists after that.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I realized that I should have mentioned that the Giving and Accepting of the European Union Trinkets Must be Obligation Free, and that the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo Must be Fully Implemented to the Letter.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It's interesting what exactly all of them mean saying "make progress"? Which progress? I guess most of all they want Serbia to abolish parallel institutions in Kosovo North...

UK

pre 12 godina

"David Cameron is a snake
(Michael, 16 November 2011 09:40) "

Well he is a politician so there is bound to be something reptilian about him. However, compare him to other politicians and then judge him. Who would you rather Tadic be dealing with...Cameron or Blair or Brown or Milliband?
I am English and up until earlier this year I lived in England. I have to say, Cameron is not perfect but he is far and away the best option for England at present. By the same token Tadic is not perfect but he is the best option for Serbia at present. Rather than mindlessly attacking the individuals, how about looking on the bright side...Serbia is now in increasingly good relations with the UK and this will financially benefit Serbia at a time when many countries face very difficult times as a result of the global crisis. A number of other countries want to block Serbia from the EU, the UK wants to encourage their entry to the EU. I know there are issues on which the two countries disagree and I know that the UK has a shameful history regarding her puppet like association with the US and the subsequent treatment of Serbia. However, that was Blair and I am vehemently opposed to anyone who says Blair was a good PM. He wasnt..he was a single minded, selfish and corrupt warmonger in my opinion. Cameron may not be a saint but I think he is a good politician and is a valuable friend for Tadic. If nothing else then this meeting will bring some positive reality to the newspapers of England regarding Serbia. In short...try to look on the positive side of this story.

twindales

pre 12 godina

I am certainly not a supporter of David Cameron politically, but to say he is a snake is not helpful. I'm an ex civil servant and I know Mr Cameron will be well briefed before his meeting. I only wish Serbian politicians would start to realise that they represent ordinary peoples interests rather than their own. I hope their meeting is fruitful.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

It is true that Britain has signed the SAA Agreement, but there are other European Union Countries that Britain, France, and Germany can by proxy pressure other European Union Countries not to Implement the SAA Agreement with Serbia.

Belgium, France, Lithuania, Netherlands, and Romania, are the European Union Countries that have not as yet Implemented the SAA Agreement with Serbia.

It is coming up to Election Time and that means Trinket Time, because Most of the European Union Countries have shown themselves not to be Serbia’s Friend.

Those Trinkets are there to Deceive the Natives, in order to Steal from the Natives and Exploit them.

If Serbia is given some Trinkets, then I hope the Natives remember that the Leading European Union Countries waited 4 years to give them to those who wish to assist them in Exploiting the Natives.

I say take the Trinkets, but do not vote for the DS, the URS, and the LDP at the next Serbian Parliamentary Election.

george miletich

pre 12 godina

do not forget who bombed us my brothers!do you think serbs would be welcome in england if we bombed london? my ancestors fought the muslim invaders centurys ago with stone knives and were still here! when it gets tough serbs dig in lets not forget who we are!! military buildup comming for serbia. george miletich

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

@Ian UK, I think I need to set you straight on some of your ridiculous statements.

First of all with regards to your stupid assumption about the British media. If you honestly belive that the British media is truly free to report what they want on international issues then you are either hugely naive or completely stupid. The BBC and other mainstream media institutions in the UK such as Sky news took an anti-Serb stance because they were obliged to, don't go saying that was their own free choice. As for the Guardian, that is simply a pretentious liberal newspaper which thinks it knows everything about every situation happening in the world, one of the machines generating political correctness which has the interest of promoting anti-Serb sentiment. Oh and lets not forget the ITN set up and hoax where it falsely portrayed a refugee camp to be a concentration camp in Bosnia, this has proved to have been a set up.

Also with your comment about the UK and Serbia being friends and allies, on a social level this is just utterly false. This so called friendship ended with the Serbs in 1943 when the UK betrayed the Royalist Chetnik fighters who fought communism and nazism, the UK continued to be friends of the communist Yugoslavs, not Serbs. The UK took active part then in destroying Yugoslavia and any Serb objectives in the break-up of Yugoslavia, when it was not their business to, typical arrogant British leadership sticking it's nose in where it isn't wanted. Then Britain also took part in bombing the hell out of Serbia, and later on recognizing Kosovo. So please, none of this crap about Britain and Serbia being friends.

UK

pre 12 godina

"David Cameron is a snake
(Michael, 16 November 2011 09:40) "

Well he is a politician so there is bound to be something reptilian about him. However, compare him to other politicians and then judge him. Who would you rather Tadic be dealing with...Cameron or Blair or Brown or Milliband?
I am English and up until earlier this year I lived in England. I have to say, Cameron is not perfect but he is far and away the best option for England at present. By the same token Tadic is not perfect but he is the best option for Serbia at present. Rather than mindlessly attacking the individuals, how about looking on the bright side...Serbia is now in increasingly good relations with the UK and this will financially benefit Serbia at a time when many countries face very difficult times as a result of the global crisis. A number of other countries want to block Serbia from the EU, the UK wants to encourage their entry to the EU. I know there are issues on which the two countries disagree and I know that the UK has a shameful history regarding her puppet like association with the US and the subsequent treatment of Serbia. However, that was Blair and I am vehemently opposed to anyone who says Blair was a good PM. He wasnt..he was a single minded, selfish and corrupt warmonger in my opinion. Cameron may not be a saint but I think he is a good politician and is a valuable friend for Tadic. If nothing else then this meeting will bring some positive reality to the newspapers of England regarding Serbia. In short...try to look on the positive side of this story.

metrod

pre 12 godina

" There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery. "

Come on guy. There are Albanian Orthodox, Catholics and even Albanian Jews. Read a little.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It's interesting what exactly all of them mean saying "make progress"? Which progress? I guess most of all they want Serbia to abolish parallel institutions in Kosovo North...

SerbNik

pre 12 godina

I demand from Tadic to stop that meeting and shut down the Serbian embacy in englnd,including all other connections with that country. The first reason is their sheltering of a war criminal accusee from the 90s war Ejup Ganic from Bosnia. They have no right to blame a Belgrade court for coruption and ignore all other blames of coruption on ICTY,Bosnian court (wic only tries Serbs and Croats), the Croatian court (wich only tries Serbs and Bosnians) while the Belgrade court has tried all the parties of the war including Serbs and Albanians,and trust me ,we will be glad to trie Clinton,Cameron and Tony Blair.

The second reason is this cind of propaganda in wich,even when they award Serb arhcitecture,their yournalists make sure np one visits the locations with serbofobic insults that Serbian soldiers "terrorised" Albanians,but forgeting to mention AGAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN how much those moslems terrorised our people. The Panda bar masacre is stil the worst crie in all history of war and the Albanians feel proud of killing 4 Serbian children in retaliation for their dead soldiers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2011/nov/11/visoki-decani-monastery-kosovo?newsfeed=true

Serbian monks sheltered Serbian victims of war,TERRORISED BY ALBANIANS,I already wrote to our embacy to sue Engalnd and Guardian,if it's not done then the embacy needs to be shut down. Serbian soldiers were defendiang our land Kosovo,only terrorists there were the KLA. There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery.

WHEN WILL ENGLAND STOP THEIR WAYS? Slavery,war crimes trought 500 years of their short existence? I know they claim to be older but the paganic days don't count. Saxony was a kingdom untill 14-15th century thus England exists after that.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

It is true that Britain has signed the SAA Agreement, but there are other European Union Countries that Britain, France, and Germany can by proxy pressure other European Union Countries not to Implement the SAA Agreement with Serbia.

Belgium, France, Lithuania, Netherlands, and Romania, are the European Union Countries that have not as yet Implemented the SAA Agreement with Serbia.

It is coming up to Election Time and that means Trinket Time, because Most of the European Union Countries have shown themselves not to be Serbia’s Friend.

Those Trinkets are there to Deceive the Natives, in order to Steal from the Natives and Exploit them.

If Serbia is given some Trinkets, then I hope the Natives remember that the Leading European Union Countries waited 4 years to give them to those who wish to assist them in Exploiting the Natives.

I say take the Trinkets, but do not vote for the DS, the URS, and the LDP at the next Serbian Parliamentary Election.

twindales

pre 12 godina

I am certainly not a supporter of David Cameron politically, but to say he is a snake is not helpful. I'm an ex civil servant and I know Mr Cameron will be well briefed before his meeting. I only wish Serbian politicians would start to realise that they represent ordinary peoples interests rather than their own. I hope their meeting is fruitful.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

Wally, I see what you mean about the guardian, there have been some recent articles which question some things that happen in Kosovo, however my comment referred more to the guardian during the time of the wars. As much as I would like to see Cameron support the Serbs, I am pretty confident he wont. Suddenly supporting the Serbs is a rather large and drastic change in foreign policy, it is still in his interests to see Serbia crumble to the EU.

Wally

pre 12 godina

SCP- Much of what you say is true. One correction: The Guardian ( I am a Telegraph reader) has really tried lately to give an objective angle on the incredibly irresponsible actions during and after the breakup of Yugoslavia. And it is true, Churchill did nothing for the Serbs, in fact betrayed us.
On another topic, Cameron is pretty pissed off with the Germans at the moment and he may find it entertaining to support the Serbs a bit. Who knows, miracles happen.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

(SerbNik, 16 November 2011 12:09)

You can't actually believe everything you've just said?

I admit the UK is guilty of War Crimes. I for one would love to see Blair tried in the Hague. Some journalists tended to be anti-Serbian during the Yugoslav Wars, however some were also pro-Serbian. Some journalists have been pro and anti Croat, Bosniak and K-Albanian. But that is freedom of media and freedom of speech for you. Ok you may disagree with some of The Guardian's journalists, but you can't sue them. That is ridiculous because of freedom of media and freedom of speech. I think it would have been better and more truthful if journalists had shown that Bosniaks, Croats, K-Albanians and Serbs were all guilty of War Crimes and that they were all victims of War Crimes too. But journalists are free to portray things as they want.

There is no chance in Hell that Serbia will sue the UK, Serbia wouldn't be able to put up half a legal argument against the UK. Serbia would loose such a legal battle before they begin.

Also cutting off all contacts (political, economic and social) with the UK (or as you say England), would be bad for Serbia but not really affect the UK. Nothing will be achieved by shutting down the Serbian Embassy in London. Even though Westminster and Belgrade don't always see eye to eye on all issues, the UK is allied with Serbia. The UK wants to invest more in Serbia, help Serbia economically. You might find it hard to believe but the UK is Serbia's friend. And historically we always have been.

Also just to let you know, Saxony is in Germany not England. Another bit of history for you, the English Kingdoms (Wessex, Mercia, East Anglia, Northumberland, Kent, Cumberland and Cornwall) were unified by King Æthelstan the Glorious from 924-927, thus the establishment of the Kingdom of England.

Stefan

pre 12 godina

I demand from Tadic to stop that meeting and shut down the Serbian embacy in englnd,including all other connections with that country. The first reason is their sheltering of a war criminal accusee from the 90s war Ejup Ganic from Bosnia. They have no right to blame a Belgrade court for coruption and ignore all other blames of coruption on ICTY,Bosnian court (wic only tries Serbs and Croats), the Croatian court (wich only tries Serbs and Bosnians) while the Belgrade court has tried all the parties of the war including Serbs and Albanians,and trust me ,we will be glad to trie Clinton,Cameron and Tony Blair.

The second reason is this cind of propaganda in wich,even when they award Serb arhcitecture,their yournalists make sure np one visits the locations with serbofobic insults that Serbian soldiers "terrorised" Albanians,but forgeting to mention AGAIII…II N how much those moslems terrorised our people. The Panda bar masacre is stil the worst crie in all history of war and the Albanians feel proud of killing 4 Serbian children in retaliation for their dead soldiers.

[link]

Serbian monks sheltered Serbian victims of war,TERRORISED BY ALBANIANS,I already wrote to our embacy to sue Engalnd and Guardian,if it's not done then the embacy needs to be shut down. Serbian soldiers were defendiang our land Kosovo,only terrorists there were the KLA. There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery.

WHEN WILL ENGLAND STOP THEIR WAYS? Slavery,war crimes trought 500 years of their short existence? I know they claim to be older but the paganic days don't count. Saxony was a kingdom untill 14-15th century thus England exists after that.
(SerbNik, 16 November 2011 12:09)

LOL Some people's ignorance truly amazes me.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

So please, none of this crap about Britain and Serbia being friends.
(SCP UK, 16 November 2011 18:58)
--
Well said SCP. I couldn't agree more. "The forgotten 500" by Gregory Freeman is a good book on the subject. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbJyhDnbRI

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I realized that I should have mentioned that the Giving and Accepting of the European Union Trinkets Must be Obligation Free, and that the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo Must be Fully Implemented to the Letter.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

There is no chance in Hell that Serbia will sue the UK, Serbia wouldn't be able to put up half a legal argument against the UK. Serbia would loose such a legal battle before they begin.
(Ion)

I think that illegal bombing in 1999 is a legal argument against the UK. Though I absolutely agree with you that Serbia would loose such a battle before they begin, just like ordinary citizen would lose any battle with millonear.

I am afraid tt's personally you who has friendly feelings toward Serbia, not UK :)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"aaayyy"
What you going to do if the Englishman says "take the whole of Kosovo".
(Jugovic, 17 November 2011 01:32)

It isn't up to the Englishman alone to say such things without coordination with other Western politicians, but if the international situation allows Serbia to take whole of Kosovo:

Personaly I live far from the Balkans and I am not a Serbs, but if it were up to me:
1)Sure I wouldn't allow a single person representing Prishtina authority to show up in the northern Kosovo.
2) I would restore all full-scaled Serbian institutions in northern Kosovo
3) I would try to accelerate Serbia's admition into the EU provided it is still polular among the people. I guess EU is the only common purpose of Serbs and Albanians and other peoples living in Serbia, though lately it got less popular because of the crisis.
4) Most probably I wouldn't try to control Albanian regions of Kosovo, since IMHO there are only two ways to do it effectivly:
a) ethnic cleansing - too many people have to be cleansed (contrary to recent ethnic cleansing in Croatia) and the police isn't quite qualified for it.
b) pouring huge amount of money into those regions at the expence of loyal population, just like Russia does in Chechnia - I don't like it

I would rather EU tries to feed and denocratize KAlbanians under Serbian control. Let KAlbanians be their problem.

5) Large problem remains how to provide security and connection with central Serbia for the Southern Serbian enclaves

a New Day

pre 12 godina

I realized that I should have mentioned that the Giving and Accepting of the European Union Trinkets Must be Obligation Free, and that the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo Must be Fully Implemented to the Letter.
(Yet Another J S, 16 November 2011 11:04)'
Curious as to if you even have a clue as to what you are talking about. What exactly is it that needs to be implemented in the 6 point plan. Read it carefully before you answer, as you will find out that it mainly says that dialogue on subjects will take place and that certain things will happen but if you do not add to it then there is very little in there that will help Serbs. Like it says that immediately internationals will return to the checkpoints in the north and reopen them and start charging customs on goods(this after the Serbs burned them down). Then it says dialogue will take place on how the taxes are to be spent, with "some" of it going to local community development. Notice 2 things it never mentions that Kosovo customs is not to accompany the internationals or that the internationals are to control it for any certain length of time nor does it ever stipulate "who" is going to be in the dialogue mentioned many times. So to fully implement the 6 point plan EULEX officials must be allowed to pass to the gates and begin charging customs taxes on goods per 6 point plan.
Now what other specific parts of 6 point plan must be immediately implemented? Real points not the ones you have dreamed up.

Bilbao

pre 12 godina

What happen first it was wait for:
1) ICJ then no Serb ever talks of it.
2) 1244 must be as per it then No Serbs talks about it.
3) Now 6 point plan to the key ...

you see just talk why you keep pushing back things then when you get in check mate position you want new stuff.

femi

pre 12 godina

Cameron is angry with Germans and so he might support wrong footet Serbia!
You seem not to understand the word "peace and stability in the Balkans"!! which both; Britain and Germany support and stand for!

Time of Serbia shining in international arena are gone!!

SerbNik

pre 12 godina

I demand from Tadic to stop that meeting and shut down the Serbian embacy in englnd,including all other connections with that country. The first reason is their sheltering of a war criminal accusee from the 90s war Ejup Ganic from Bosnia. They have no right to blame a Belgrade court for coruption and ignore all other blames of coruption on ICTY,Bosnian court (wic only tries Serbs and Croats), the Croatian court (wich only tries Serbs and Bosnians) while the Belgrade court has tried all the parties of the war including Serbs and Albanians,and trust me ,we will be glad to trie Clinton,Cameron and Tony Blair.

The second reason is this cind of propaganda in wich,even when they award Serb arhcitecture,their yournalists make sure np one visits the locations with serbofobic insults that Serbian soldiers "terrorised" Albanians,but forgeting to mention AGAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN how much those moslems terrorised our people. The Panda bar masacre is stil the worst crie in all history of war and the Albanians feel proud of killing 4 Serbian children in retaliation for their dead soldiers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2011/nov/11/visoki-decani-monastery-kosovo?newsfeed=true

Serbian monks sheltered Serbian victims of war,TERRORISED BY ALBANIANS,I already wrote to our embacy to sue Engalnd and Guardian,if it's not done then the embacy needs to be shut down. Serbian soldiers were defendiang our land Kosovo,only terrorists there were the KLA. There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery.

WHEN WILL ENGLAND STOP THEIR WAYS? Slavery,war crimes trought 500 years of their short existence? I know they claim to be older but the paganic days don't count. Saxony was a kingdom untill 14-15th century thus England exists after that.

metrod

pre 12 godina

" There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery. "

Come on guy. There are Albanian Orthodox, Catholics and even Albanian Jews. Read a little.

Bilbao

pre 12 godina

What happen first it was wait for:
1) ICJ then no Serb ever talks of it.
2) 1244 must be as per it then No Serbs talks about it.
3) Now 6 point plan to the key ...

you see just talk why you keep pushing back things then when you get in check mate position you want new stuff.

Stefan

pre 12 godina

I demand from Tadic to stop that meeting and shut down the Serbian embacy in englnd,including all other connections with that country. The first reason is their sheltering of a war criminal accusee from the 90s war Ejup Ganic from Bosnia. They have no right to blame a Belgrade court for coruption and ignore all other blames of coruption on ICTY,Bosnian court (wic only tries Serbs and Croats), the Croatian court (wich only tries Serbs and Bosnians) while the Belgrade court has tried all the parties of the war including Serbs and Albanians,and trust me ,we will be glad to trie Clinton,Cameron and Tony Blair.

The second reason is this cind of propaganda in wich,even when they award Serb arhcitecture,their yournalists make sure np one visits the locations with serbofobic insults that Serbian soldiers "terrorised" Albanians,but forgeting to mention AGAIII…II N how much those moslems terrorised our people. The Panda bar masacre is stil the worst crie in all history of war and the Albanians feel proud of killing 4 Serbian children in retaliation for their dead soldiers.

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Serbian monks sheltered Serbian victims of war,TERRORISED BY ALBANIANS,I already wrote to our embacy to sue Engalnd and Guardian,if it's not done then the embacy needs to be shut down. Serbian soldiers were defendiang our land Kosovo,only terrorists there were the KLA. There is no Albanian monks since Albanians are moslems and Visoki Decani are a Serbian monastery.

WHEN WILL ENGLAND STOP THEIR WAYS? Slavery,war crimes trought 500 years of their short existence? I know they claim to be older but the paganic days don't count. Saxony was a kingdom untill 14-15th century thus England exists after that.
(SerbNik, 16 November 2011 12:09)

LOL Some people's ignorance truly amazes me.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

(SerbNik, 16 November 2011 12:09)

You can't actually believe everything you've just said?

I admit the UK is guilty of War Crimes. I for one would love to see Blair tried in the Hague. Some journalists tended to be anti-Serbian during the Yugoslav Wars, however some were also pro-Serbian. Some journalists have been pro and anti Croat, Bosniak and K-Albanian. But that is freedom of media and freedom of speech for you. Ok you may disagree with some of The Guardian's journalists, but you can't sue them. That is ridiculous because of freedom of media and freedom of speech. I think it would have been better and more truthful if journalists had shown that Bosniaks, Croats, K-Albanians and Serbs were all guilty of War Crimes and that they were all victims of War Crimes too. But journalists are free to portray things as they want.

There is no chance in Hell that Serbia will sue the UK, Serbia wouldn't be able to put up half a legal argument against the UK. Serbia would loose such a legal battle before they begin.

Also cutting off all contacts (political, economic and social) with the UK (or as you say England), would be bad for Serbia but not really affect the UK. Nothing will be achieved by shutting down the Serbian Embassy in London. Even though Westminster and Belgrade don't always see eye to eye on all issues, the UK is allied with Serbia. The UK wants to invest more in Serbia, help Serbia economically. You might find it hard to believe but the UK is Serbia's friend. And historically we always have been.

Also just to let you know, Saxony is in Germany not England. Another bit of history for you, the English Kingdoms (Wessex, Mercia, East Anglia, Northumberland, Kent, Cumberland and Cornwall) were unified by King Æthelstan the Glorious from 924-927, thus the establishment of the Kingdom of England.

UK

pre 12 godina

"David Cameron is a snake
(Michael, 16 November 2011 09:40) "

Well he is a politician so there is bound to be something reptilian about him. However, compare him to other politicians and then judge him. Who would you rather Tadic be dealing with...Cameron or Blair or Brown or Milliband?
I am English and up until earlier this year I lived in England. I have to say, Cameron is not perfect but he is far and away the best option for England at present. By the same token Tadic is not perfect but he is the best option for Serbia at present. Rather than mindlessly attacking the individuals, how about looking on the bright side...Serbia is now in increasingly good relations with the UK and this will financially benefit Serbia at a time when many countries face very difficult times as a result of the global crisis. A number of other countries want to block Serbia from the EU, the UK wants to encourage their entry to the EU. I know there are issues on which the two countries disagree and I know that the UK has a shameful history regarding her puppet like association with the US and the subsequent treatment of Serbia. However, that was Blair and I am vehemently opposed to anyone who says Blair was a good PM. He wasnt..he was a single minded, selfish and corrupt warmonger in my opinion. Cameron may not be a saint but I think he is a good politician and is a valuable friend for Tadic. If nothing else then this meeting will bring some positive reality to the newspapers of England regarding Serbia. In short...try to look on the positive side of this story.

george miletich

pre 12 godina

do not forget who bombed us my brothers!do you think serbs would be welcome in england if we bombed london? my ancestors fought the muslim invaders centurys ago with stone knives and were still here! when it gets tough serbs dig in lets not forget who we are!! military buildup comming for serbia. george miletich

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It's interesting what exactly all of them mean saying "make progress"? Which progress? I guess most of all they want Serbia to abolish parallel institutions in Kosovo North...

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

It is true that Britain has signed the SAA Agreement, but there are other European Union Countries that Britain, France, and Germany can by proxy pressure other European Union Countries not to Implement the SAA Agreement with Serbia.

Belgium, France, Lithuania, Netherlands, and Romania, are the European Union Countries that have not as yet Implemented the SAA Agreement with Serbia.

It is coming up to Election Time and that means Trinket Time, because Most of the European Union Countries have shown themselves not to be Serbia’s Friend.

Those Trinkets are there to Deceive the Natives, in order to Steal from the Natives and Exploit them.

If Serbia is given some Trinkets, then I hope the Natives remember that the Leading European Union Countries waited 4 years to give them to those who wish to assist them in Exploiting the Natives.

I say take the Trinkets, but do not vote for the DS, the URS, and the LDP at the next Serbian Parliamentary Election.

twindales

pre 12 godina

I am certainly not a supporter of David Cameron politically, but to say he is a snake is not helpful. I'm an ex civil servant and I know Mr Cameron will be well briefed before his meeting. I only wish Serbian politicians would start to realise that they represent ordinary peoples interests rather than their own. I hope their meeting is fruitful.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I realized that I should have mentioned that the Giving and Accepting of the European Union Trinkets Must be Obligation Free, and that the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo Must be Fully Implemented to the Letter.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

@Ian UK, I think I need to set you straight on some of your ridiculous statements.

First of all with regards to your stupid assumption about the British media. If you honestly belive that the British media is truly free to report what they want on international issues then you are either hugely naive or completely stupid. The BBC and other mainstream media institutions in the UK such as Sky news took an anti-Serb stance because they were obliged to, don't go saying that was their own free choice. As for the Guardian, that is simply a pretentious liberal newspaper which thinks it knows everything about every situation happening in the world, one of the machines generating political correctness which has the interest of promoting anti-Serb sentiment. Oh and lets not forget the ITN set up and hoax where it falsely portrayed a refugee camp to be a concentration camp in Bosnia, this has proved to have been a set up.

Also with your comment about the UK and Serbia being friends and allies, on a social level this is just utterly false. This so called friendship ended with the Serbs in 1943 when the UK betrayed the Royalist Chetnik fighters who fought communism and nazism, the UK continued to be friends of the communist Yugoslavs, not Serbs. The UK took active part then in destroying Yugoslavia and any Serb objectives in the break-up of Yugoslavia, when it was not their business to, typical arrogant British leadership sticking it's nose in where it isn't wanted. Then Britain also took part in bombing the hell out of Serbia, and later on recognizing Kosovo. So please, none of this crap about Britain and Serbia being friends.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

I realized that I should have mentioned that the Giving and Accepting of the European Union Trinkets Must be Obligation Free, and that the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo Must be Fully Implemented to the Letter.
(Yet Another J S, 16 November 2011 11:04)'
Curious as to if you even have a clue as to what you are talking about. What exactly is it that needs to be implemented in the 6 point plan. Read it carefully before you answer, as you will find out that it mainly says that dialogue on subjects will take place and that certain things will happen but if you do not add to it then there is very little in there that will help Serbs. Like it says that immediately internationals will return to the checkpoints in the north and reopen them and start charging customs on goods(this after the Serbs burned them down). Then it says dialogue will take place on how the taxes are to be spent, with "some" of it going to local community development. Notice 2 things it never mentions that Kosovo customs is not to accompany the internationals or that the internationals are to control it for any certain length of time nor does it ever stipulate "who" is going to be in the dialogue mentioned many times. So to fully implement the 6 point plan EULEX officials must be allowed to pass to the gates and begin charging customs taxes on goods per 6 point plan.
Now what other specific parts of 6 point plan must be immediately implemented? Real points not the ones you have dreamed up.

Wally

pre 12 godina

SCP- Much of what you say is true. One correction: The Guardian ( I am a Telegraph reader) has really tried lately to give an objective angle on the incredibly irresponsible actions during and after the breakup of Yugoslavia. And it is true, Churchill did nothing for the Serbs, in fact betrayed us.
On another topic, Cameron is pretty pissed off with the Germans at the moment and he may find it entertaining to support the Serbs a bit. Who knows, miracles happen.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

So please, none of this crap about Britain and Serbia being friends.
(SCP UK, 16 November 2011 18:58)
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Well said SCP. I couldn't agree more. "The forgotten 500" by Gregory Freeman is a good book on the subject. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbJyhDnbRI

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

There is no chance in Hell that Serbia will sue the UK, Serbia wouldn't be able to put up half a legal argument against the UK. Serbia would loose such a legal battle before they begin.
(Ion)

I think that illegal bombing in 1999 is a legal argument against the UK. Though I absolutely agree with you that Serbia would loose such a battle before they begin, just like ordinary citizen would lose any battle with millonear.

I am afraid tt's personally you who has friendly feelings toward Serbia, not UK :)

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

Wally, I see what you mean about the guardian, there have been some recent articles which question some things that happen in Kosovo, however my comment referred more to the guardian during the time of the wars. As much as I would like to see Cameron support the Serbs, I am pretty confident he wont. Suddenly supporting the Serbs is a rather large and drastic change in foreign policy, it is still in his interests to see Serbia crumble to the EU.

femi

pre 12 godina

Cameron is angry with Germans and so he might support wrong footet Serbia!
You seem not to understand the word "peace and stability in the Balkans"!! which both; Britain and Germany support and stand for!

Time of Serbia shining in international arena are gone!!

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"aaayyy"
What you going to do if the Englishman says "take the whole of Kosovo".
(Jugovic, 17 November 2011 01:32)

It isn't up to the Englishman alone to say such things without coordination with other Western politicians, but if the international situation allows Serbia to take whole of Kosovo:

Personaly I live far from the Balkans and I am not a Serbs, but if it were up to me:
1)Sure I wouldn't allow a single person representing Prishtina authority to show up in the northern Kosovo.
2) I would restore all full-scaled Serbian institutions in northern Kosovo
3) I would try to accelerate Serbia's admition into the EU provided it is still polular among the people. I guess EU is the only common purpose of Serbs and Albanians and other peoples living in Serbia, though lately it got less popular because of the crisis.
4) Most probably I wouldn't try to control Albanian regions of Kosovo, since IMHO there are only two ways to do it effectivly:
a) ethnic cleansing - too many people have to be cleansed (contrary to recent ethnic cleansing in Croatia) and the police isn't quite qualified for it.
b) pouring huge amount of money into those regions at the expence of loyal population, just like Russia does in Chechnia - I don't like it

I would rather EU tries to feed and denocratize KAlbanians under Serbian control. Let KAlbanians be their problem.

5) Large problem remains how to provide security and connection with central Serbia for the Southern Serbian enclaves