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Wednesday, 16.11.2011.

09:19

“First recognition of borders, then joint control”

Kosovo assembly Speaker Jakup Krasniqi has said that it is necessary for Kosovo and Serbia’s borders to be mutually recognized.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

It might be 'essentially important' for Kosovo, but it's far from the reality, because Kosovo's statehood is doubtful. Some say it's not even a border, but an administrative line.
(Analyst, 16 November 2011 18:00)

That has a very easy solution. Serbia is free to call it "administrative line" and does not have to have Pristina's permission for that. The same way that Pristina does not need Serbia's permission to call it "border".

Crnogorski Srbin

pre 12 godina

"You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs even though there is no proof of that at all."

For albo's please don't claim somthing and triger other reed your bla.. bla comment with your empty story it's not worted to red and spend time.
"MikeC".. your comment is very nice "You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs". The main witness bringing the Albanians in Serbia by Djordje Maniacs (1043 wrote: "Michael Attaliota: History" ... see book any web in PDF page 9-18. in the Greek or Latin.
next time don't lie and be happy albo. Thanks.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers.
Demiq

And albanians don't live in a fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers? You actually believe Kosovo is yours. You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs even though there is no proof of that at all. You are muslim which means you arrived with the turks. Simple as that. You arrived with them, you may leave with them.

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Hello Demi!

Evidence of organ trafficking???? Seriously! ....it's all over ...newspapers/online/intelligence reports....including USA/german/italian/greek/russian....the list goes on and on....all the way to medicus clinic case that illegally trafficked organs, and finally busted in 2008....evidence...didn't the Hague tribunal destroyed evidence?...witnesses, don't worry, thank god some of them are still alive...

Three milion hungry, cold, thirsty Albos vs 10 million strong Serbs...ok..will send 100 soldiers....should be enough

Timber Wolf

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"It is essentially important that this border is a state border ..."

It might be 'essentially important' for Kosovo, but it's far from the reality, because Kosovo's statehood is doubtful. Some say it's not even a border, but an administrative line.

Ravna gora

pre 12 godina

"We albanians have historic buildings such as houses,churches and mousques wich dates way back."

This is nice story for the kids, if kids say " wich dates way back" You must explain to them: per Greek books albo com from Sicily (1043) with George Maniac in the Drach. Just tell them truth nothing more It's not good to lie kids.
Don't use Turks time in Kosovo for the mousques, they build them. You only build 200 mousques in past 10 yr. for same period of the time you destroy 150 Church and 00 was build. for your time in the Balkan (968 yr. is "Date" of arrival) you build near milion bunkers in albo, here is nice story for kids, right. reed to them my story and I'm positive they will be smile and loved you more than before.
Thanks for yor time and have nice day.

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

All Serbia has to do is continue this stalemate. The K-Albanians' international supporters do not care that much about a million or so people in a small province. They will eventually be elbow deep in someone else's issues; since they have much larger problems globally (and possibly even domestically). Then they will let this pseudo-state project slowly fade into the background (to avoid the citizens from questioning why their tax dollars were spent on a failed operation). At that time when the K-Albanians realize that they have lost support and don't have any more money pouring in they will say "ummm, ok let's sit down and talk now." But it will be too late.

Demi

pre 12 godina

To Canadian serbs,

''Firstly, what the f..k! Respect! Are you talking about kidnapping Serbians from their land, shipping them over to albania and then cutting my people to peaces (serbians) to sell their organs on the black market..etc ''

I don't belive such things ever happend. It's only rumors. I belive only in facts. If you have no evidence then do not mention it. You have no evidence, victims or eyewitnesses! It's a lie!

''Secondly, Kosovo is Independent and the serbs living in north will fall under Pristina rule....good one... that's what I call wishful thinking or albanian fairytale!''

It's not wishful thinking. It's reality. The same reality goes for the albanians in Preshevo valley. Do you want to switch ??

''Reality...look at the historical facts written in the history books all over the world. Those churches, monasteries and Serbian Christians were the original inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula. albanians came way afer...''

Someone was living in Kosovo before slavs/serbs came to Balkan. It was not free of people since we know the dardanians lived there before. I wonder who burned down their herige in Kosovo? buildings,religious sites etc ?? But it dosen't matter actully who was there first. Even if serbs were there first it dosen't make Kosovo a part of the current serbian state.

''Kosovo will be part of serbia again...regardless what u happen to think....serbs will be back in Kosovo....You stole Kosovo land, not through dipmomacy and negotiations but by the use of USA military force....you continue to murder my people(serbs) almost on daily basis...and you also think bondsteel and USA empire is going to last forever!....wrong..lol...lol....lol...u see, we do everything in 3.....fall of the german/usa empire....it has begun....serbs must stay patient....Kosovo will be serbian again!..whether u albos. want to believe it or not....''

Kosovo will stay independent. It will never be a part of Serbia. We albanians diden't occupy Kosovo since we have lived here for centurys. We are an majority here. When you are ready to come and start a war in Kosovo to occupy my people and and the land of my forfathers then me and my people will be more ready than we were in 1998-99. This time we have a country and we will arm our self so we can fight back.It was easy for you back in time when you keept us un-armed and attcked us with tanks. Next time it wont be that easy. We will allways have an open eye on you serbs just like Israel have on the arabs.

Try to keep Vojvodina insteed!

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

But we respect that serbs also live and have lived in Kosovo. But that dosen't make Kosovo a part of the serbian state.
You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers. it will take time before you turn back to reality. Kosovo will not be part of an serbian state in the future. Not as long as albanians live there and have somthing to say.
(Demiq, 16 November 2011 11:19)

Hello Demiq,

Firstly, what the f..k! Respect! Are you talking about kidnapping Serbians from their land, shipping them over to albania and then cutting my people to peaces (serbians) to sell their organs on the black market..etc

Secondly, Kosovo is Independent and the serbs living in north will fall under Pristina rule....good one... that's what I call wishful thinking or albanian fairytale!

Reality...look at the historical facts written in the history books all over the world. Those churches, monasteries and Serbian Christians were the original inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula. albanians came way afer...

Kosovo will be part of serbia again...regardless what u happen to think....serbs will be back in Kosovo....You stole Kosovo land, not through dipmomacy and negotiations but by the use of USA military force....you continue to murder my people(serbs) almost on daily basis...and you also think bondsteel and USA empire is going to last forever!....wrong..lol...lol....lol...u see, we do everything in 3.....fall of the german/usa empire....it has begun....serbs must stay patient....Kosovo will be serbian again!..whether u albos. want to believe it or not....

Timber Wolf

trizo

pre 12 godina

I think it's no longer time for dialogue and there is not other way to solve the issue of land stealing and land theft.

Albanians cannot steal Kosovo or North Kosovo and we can not let them get away with this any longer.

They are greedy and want it all. And it's happening in broad daylight under the supervision and guidance of America & Germany & France.

Serbs in Serbia are happy. Not everyone has a good salary, in fact most don't but they have a richer culture and money is not everything.

We are not isolating ourselves from not joining the EU, we are just not bowing down to the Germans/Americans and two faced French for trying to support the theft of our land.

We cannot negotiate with Pristina or these Albanians in Kosovo they are uncompromising and overly arrogant.

Tadic how do you feel knowing you're in charge of military intervention and approx. 20,000 K.Serbs have applied for Russian citizenship because they are being ethnically cleansed before your eyes??? Sick.

Demiq

pre 12 godina

Albs thanks for this. You made it so no politician in Belgrade would ever agree to that which I am sincerely thankful for. Its very simple. We can't fight another war (God knows its not the Albs we cannot fight, but Camp Bondsteel) but Kosovo is still LEGALLY apart of Serbia. Defacto, most of Kosovo is separated from Serbia (not as a country, more a Western colony).

My simple question to our Albanian friends is this..if Serbia's opinion and policy towards Kosovo does not matter, why is there such a pressure on Belgrade to "accept the reality".

The reality is, for now the status quo suites Serbia's realistic national interest. We cannot control Kosovo, but its amputation cannot be legitimized without Belgrades approval. The status quo only HURTS the West and more importantly, Pristina.

"Offering" Northern Kosovo to Serbia in exchange for recognition is not compromise. Pristina could never govern Mitrovica in a million years. Those Serbs would have nothing to live for under that kind of governance so they will die for that not to happen. Remain the status quo, watch Western money sink into a black hole and the Albanians will STILL have nothing to show for.

Nema Predaje.
(Ari Gold, 16 November 2011, 10:12)

As we know by now Serbia have to have good neighbourly relations with Kosovo if it wants to have a chance to enter EU. Serbia cannot live as an island surrounded by EU countrys so it will be forced to enter EU. You are jucky for the time being that 5 EU countrys dosen't officaly recognize the independence of Kosovo but if Serbia dosen't recognize Kosovo soon then this 5 countrys will. Then Kosovo will be a member of EU before Serbia and there is nothing Serbia can do against Kosovo anymore.

But I think Serbia will do the right thing and recognize Kosovo and enter EU before other balkan countrys. That is because it wants to be a regional leader. Serbia has lost Kosovo forever and that is obvious. It would be more obvious if Kosovo united with Albania but we want to make an historic compromise and make Kosovo an state for all it etnicitys.

The compromise is Kosovo independence. If Kosovo would become a part of Serbia, serbs would get it all. And if Kosovo would united with Albania, albanians would get it all. The independence of Kosovo is the historic compromise Tadic is talking about.

Kosovo is not more serbian than albanian just because of some orthodox churches located in Kosovo. You cannot build religous sites to occupy a territory. We albanians have historic buildings such as houses,churches and mousques wich dates way back. It's not somthing we use to say that Kosovo is ours because we live there and have lived there for centurys. We don't need buildings to state who Kosovo belongs to. But we respect that serbs also live and have lived in Kosovo. But that dosen't make Kosovo a part of the serbian state.

You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers. it will take time before you turn back to reality. Kosovo will not be part of an serbian state in the future. Not as long as albanians live there and have somthing to say.

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

Mr. Jakup Krasniqi! it's not a border crossing between two countries. maybe in your wild dreams but the fact is it will NEVER be. Kosovo will never be a state. it will remain a frozen conflict unless the Kosovo Albanians agree on a genuine autonomy deal with Belgrade.

Djedo

pre 12 godina

"that both countries should recognize those borders"
How yuga progresses with a little comparison.
The first Yuga: did not have the administrative boundaries.
The second Yuga: made gimmick with administrative boundaries.
The third sorrow: administrative borders became state borders all are joyful.
Now in the public from the occupied Serbia province people seeks to publicly admit national borders.. Today the Serbian is occupied and did not recognize another state in their state.
Moral: The all new state was created for the first time and I see that everyone screams including last one with "I wanted state from you" like a little baby for the mother.. Baloni Staloni no state for you mother say.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

As December 9 is coming KAlbanians are getting more and more impudent and unfortunately they are supported by EU. Throughout all the history the West tries to impose unstable state-building in the Balkans, to make sure future war are inevitable.
Just remember Berlin congress, 1878, which was to sow seeds for Worls Wars by giving Bosnia to Austro-Hungary...

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

Albs thanks for this. You made it so no politician in Belgrade would ever agree to that which I am sincerely thankful for. Its very simple. We can't fight another war (God knows its not the Albs we cannot fight, but Camp Bondsteel) but Kosovo is still LEGALLY apart of Serbia. Defacto, most of Kosovo is separated from Serbia (not as a country, more a Western colony).

My simple question to our Albanian friends is this..if Serbia's opinion and policy towards Kosovo does not matter, why is there such a pressure on Belgrade to "accept the reality".

The reality is, for now the status quo suites Serbia's realistic national interest. We cannot control Kosovo, but its amputation cannot be legitimized without Belgrades approval. The status quo only HURTS the West and more importantly, Pristina.

"Offering" Northern Kosovo to Serbia in exchange for recognition is not compromise. Pristina could never govern Mitrovica in a million years. Those Serbs would have nothing to live for under that kind of governance so they will die for that not to happen. Remain the status quo, watch Western money sink into a black hole and the Albanians will STILL have nothing to show for.

Nema Predaje.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

This isn't news. This is Albanian fantasy and we hear it very frequently here. If Albanians attempt to take it all then they will lose it all. Besides, the so-called negotiations have failed and the people have taken matters into their own hands. This is the EU/US attempting to complete unfinished business under the guise of dialogue before it is too late. Well, the "dialogue" has failed and it is too late.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

This isn't news. This is Albanian fantasy and we hear it very frequently here. If Albanians attempt to take it all then they will lose it all. Besides, the so-called negotiations have failed and the people have taken matters into their own hands. This is the EU/US attempting to complete unfinished business under the guise of dialogue before it is too late. Well, the "dialogue" has failed and it is too late.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

Albs thanks for this. You made it so no politician in Belgrade would ever agree to that which I am sincerely thankful for. Its very simple. We can't fight another war (God knows its not the Albs we cannot fight, but Camp Bondsteel) but Kosovo is still LEGALLY apart of Serbia. Defacto, most of Kosovo is separated from Serbia (not as a country, more a Western colony).

My simple question to our Albanian friends is this..if Serbia's opinion and policy towards Kosovo does not matter, why is there such a pressure on Belgrade to "accept the reality".

The reality is, for now the status quo suites Serbia's realistic national interest. We cannot control Kosovo, but its amputation cannot be legitimized without Belgrades approval. The status quo only HURTS the West and more importantly, Pristina.

"Offering" Northern Kosovo to Serbia in exchange for recognition is not compromise. Pristina could never govern Mitrovica in a million years. Those Serbs would have nothing to live for under that kind of governance so they will die for that not to happen. Remain the status quo, watch Western money sink into a black hole and the Albanians will STILL have nothing to show for.

Nema Predaje.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

As December 9 is coming KAlbanians are getting more and more impudent and unfortunately they are supported by EU. Throughout all the history the West tries to impose unstable state-building in the Balkans, to make sure future war are inevitable.
Just remember Berlin congress, 1878, which was to sow seeds for Worls Wars by giving Bosnia to Austro-Hungary...

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

Mr. Jakup Krasniqi! it's not a border crossing between two countries. maybe in your wild dreams but the fact is it will NEVER be. Kosovo will never be a state. it will remain a frozen conflict unless the Kosovo Albanians agree on a genuine autonomy deal with Belgrade.

Demiq

pre 12 godina

Albs thanks for this. You made it so no politician in Belgrade would ever agree to that which I am sincerely thankful for. Its very simple. We can't fight another war (God knows its not the Albs we cannot fight, but Camp Bondsteel) but Kosovo is still LEGALLY apart of Serbia. Defacto, most of Kosovo is separated from Serbia (not as a country, more a Western colony).

My simple question to our Albanian friends is this..if Serbia's opinion and policy towards Kosovo does not matter, why is there such a pressure on Belgrade to "accept the reality".

The reality is, for now the status quo suites Serbia's realistic national interest. We cannot control Kosovo, but its amputation cannot be legitimized without Belgrades approval. The status quo only HURTS the West and more importantly, Pristina.

"Offering" Northern Kosovo to Serbia in exchange for recognition is not compromise. Pristina could never govern Mitrovica in a million years. Those Serbs would have nothing to live for under that kind of governance so they will die for that not to happen. Remain the status quo, watch Western money sink into a black hole and the Albanians will STILL have nothing to show for.

Nema Predaje.
(Ari Gold, 16 November 2011, 10:12)

As we know by now Serbia have to have good neighbourly relations with Kosovo if it wants to have a chance to enter EU. Serbia cannot live as an island surrounded by EU countrys so it will be forced to enter EU. You are jucky for the time being that 5 EU countrys dosen't officaly recognize the independence of Kosovo but if Serbia dosen't recognize Kosovo soon then this 5 countrys will. Then Kosovo will be a member of EU before Serbia and there is nothing Serbia can do against Kosovo anymore.

But I think Serbia will do the right thing and recognize Kosovo and enter EU before other balkan countrys. That is because it wants to be a regional leader. Serbia has lost Kosovo forever and that is obvious. It would be more obvious if Kosovo united with Albania but we want to make an historic compromise and make Kosovo an state for all it etnicitys.

The compromise is Kosovo independence. If Kosovo would become a part of Serbia, serbs would get it all. And if Kosovo would united with Albania, albanians would get it all. The independence of Kosovo is the historic compromise Tadic is talking about.

Kosovo is not more serbian than albanian just because of some orthodox churches located in Kosovo. You cannot build religous sites to occupy a territory. We albanians have historic buildings such as houses,churches and mousques wich dates way back. It's not somthing we use to say that Kosovo is ours because we live there and have lived there for centurys. We don't need buildings to state who Kosovo belongs to. But we respect that serbs also live and have lived in Kosovo. But that dosen't make Kosovo a part of the serbian state.

You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers. it will take time before you turn back to reality. Kosovo will not be part of an serbian state in the future. Not as long as albanians live there and have somthing to say.

Djedo

pre 12 godina

"that both countries should recognize those borders"
How yuga progresses with a little comparison.
The first Yuga: did not have the administrative boundaries.
The second Yuga: made gimmick with administrative boundaries.
The third sorrow: administrative borders became state borders all are joyful.
Now in the public from the occupied Serbia province people seeks to publicly admit national borders.. Today the Serbian is occupied and did not recognize another state in their state.
Moral: The all new state was created for the first time and I see that everyone screams including last one with "I wanted state from you" like a little baby for the mother.. Baloni Staloni no state for you mother say.

trizo

pre 12 godina

I think it's no longer time for dialogue and there is not other way to solve the issue of land stealing and land theft.

Albanians cannot steal Kosovo or North Kosovo and we can not let them get away with this any longer.

They are greedy and want it all. And it's happening in broad daylight under the supervision and guidance of America & Germany & France.

Serbs in Serbia are happy. Not everyone has a good salary, in fact most don't but they have a richer culture and money is not everything.

We are not isolating ourselves from not joining the EU, we are just not bowing down to the Germans/Americans and two faced French for trying to support the theft of our land.

We cannot negotiate with Pristina or these Albanians in Kosovo they are uncompromising and overly arrogant.

Tadic how do you feel knowing you're in charge of military intervention and approx. 20,000 K.Serbs have applied for Russian citizenship because they are being ethnically cleansed before your eyes??? Sick.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers.
Demiq

And albanians don't live in a fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers? You actually believe Kosovo is yours. You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs even though there is no proof of that at all. You are muslim which means you arrived with the turks. Simple as that. You arrived with them, you may leave with them.

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

But we respect that serbs also live and have lived in Kosovo. But that dosen't make Kosovo a part of the serbian state.
You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers. it will take time before you turn back to reality. Kosovo will not be part of an serbian state in the future. Not as long as albanians live there and have somthing to say.
(Demiq, 16 November 2011 11:19)

Hello Demiq,

Firstly, what the f..k! Respect! Are you talking about kidnapping Serbians from their land, shipping them over to albania and then cutting my people to peaces (serbians) to sell their organs on the black market..etc

Secondly, Kosovo is Independent and the serbs living in north will fall under Pristina rule....good one... that's what I call wishful thinking or albanian fairytale!

Reality...look at the historical facts written in the history books all over the world. Those churches, monasteries and Serbian Christians were the original inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula. albanians came way afer...

Kosovo will be part of serbia again...regardless what u happen to think....serbs will be back in Kosovo....You stole Kosovo land, not through dipmomacy and negotiations but by the use of USA military force....you continue to murder my people(serbs) almost on daily basis...and you also think bondsteel and USA empire is going to last forever!....wrong..lol...lol....lol...u see, we do everything in 3.....fall of the german/usa empire....it has begun....serbs must stay patient....Kosovo will be serbian again!..whether u albos. want to believe it or not....

Timber Wolf

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

All Serbia has to do is continue this stalemate. The K-Albanians' international supporters do not care that much about a million or so people in a small province. They will eventually be elbow deep in someone else's issues; since they have much larger problems globally (and possibly even domestically). Then they will let this pseudo-state project slowly fade into the background (to avoid the citizens from questioning why their tax dollars were spent on a failed operation). At that time when the K-Albanians realize that they have lost support and don't have any more money pouring in they will say "ummm, ok let's sit down and talk now." But it will be too late.

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Hello Demi!

Evidence of organ trafficking???? Seriously! ....it's all over ...newspapers/online/intelligence reports....including USA/german/italian/greek/russian....the list goes on and on....all the way to medicus clinic case that illegally trafficked organs, and finally busted in 2008....evidence...didn't the Hague tribunal destroyed evidence?...witnesses, don't worry, thank god some of them are still alive...

Three milion hungry, cold, thirsty Albos vs 10 million strong Serbs...ok..will send 100 soldiers....should be enough

Timber Wolf

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"It is essentially important that this border is a state border ..."

It might be 'essentially important' for Kosovo, but it's far from the reality, because Kosovo's statehood is doubtful. Some say it's not even a border, but an administrative line.

Demi

pre 12 godina

To Canadian serbs,

''Firstly, what the f..k! Respect! Are you talking about kidnapping Serbians from their land, shipping them over to albania and then cutting my people to peaces (serbians) to sell their organs on the black market..etc ''

I don't belive such things ever happend. It's only rumors. I belive only in facts. If you have no evidence then do not mention it. You have no evidence, victims or eyewitnesses! It's a lie!

''Secondly, Kosovo is Independent and the serbs living in north will fall under Pristina rule....good one... that's what I call wishful thinking or albanian fairytale!''

It's not wishful thinking. It's reality. The same reality goes for the albanians in Preshevo valley. Do you want to switch ??

''Reality...look at the historical facts written in the history books all over the world. Those churches, monasteries and Serbian Christians were the original inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula. albanians came way afer...''

Someone was living in Kosovo before slavs/serbs came to Balkan. It was not free of people since we know the dardanians lived there before. I wonder who burned down their herige in Kosovo? buildings,religious sites etc ?? But it dosen't matter actully who was there first. Even if serbs were there first it dosen't make Kosovo a part of the current serbian state.

''Kosovo will be part of serbia again...regardless what u happen to think....serbs will be back in Kosovo....You stole Kosovo land, not through dipmomacy and negotiations but by the use of USA military force....you continue to murder my people(serbs) almost on daily basis...and you also think bondsteel and USA empire is going to last forever!....wrong..lol...lol....lol...u see, we do everything in 3.....fall of the german/usa empire....it has begun....serbs must stay patient....Kosovo will be serbian again!..whether u albos. want to believe it or not....''

Kosovo will stay independent. It will never be a part of Serbia. We albanians diden't occupy Kosovo since we have lived here for centurys. We are an majority here. When you are ready to come and start a war in Kosovo to occupy my people and and the land of my forfathers then me and my people will be more ready than we were in 1998-99. This time we have a country and we will arm our self so we can fight back.It was easy for you back in time when you keept us un-armed and attcked us with tanks. Next time it wont be that easy. We will allways have an open eye on you serbs just like Israel have on the arabs.

Try to keep Vojvodina insteed!

Ravna gora

pre 12 godina

"We albanians have historic buildings such as houses,churches and mousques wich dates way back."

This is nice story for the kids, if kids say " wich dates way back" You must explain to them: per Greek books albo com from Sicily (1043) with George Maniac in the Drach. Just tell them truth nothing more It's not good to lie kids.
Don't use Turks time in Kosovo for the mousques, they build them. You only build 200 mousques in past 10 yr. for same period of the time you destroy 150 Church and 00 was build. for your time in the Balkan (968 yr. is "Date" of arrival) you build near milion bunkers in albo, here is nice story for kids, right. reed to them my story and I'm positive they will be smile and loved you more than before.
Thanks for yor time and have nice day.

Crnogorski Srbin

pre 12 godina

"You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs even though there is no proof of that at all."

For albo's please don't claim somthing and triger other reed your bla.. bla comment with your empty story it's not worted to red and spend time.
"MikeC".. your comment is very nice "You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs". The main witness bringing the Albanians in Serbia by Djordje Maniacs (1043 wrote: "Michael Attaliota: History" ... see book any web in PDF page 9-18. in the Greek or Latin.
next time don't lie and be happy albo. Thanks.

icj1

pre 12 godina

It might be 'essentially important' for Kosovo, but it's far from the reality, because Kosovo's statehood is doubtful. Some say it's not even a border, but an administrative line.
(Analyst, 16 November 2011 18:00)

That has a very easy solution. Serbia is free to call it "administrative line" and does not have to have Pristina's permission for that. The same way that Pristina does not need Serbia's permission to call it "border".

Demiq

pre 12 godina

Albs thanks for this. You made it so no politician in Belgrade would ever agree to that which I am sincerely thankful for. Its very simple. We can't fight another war (God knows its not the Albs we cannot fight, but Camp Bondsteel) but Kosovo is still LEGALLY apart of Serbia. Defacto, most of Kosovo is separated from Serbia (not as a country, more a Western colony).

My simple question to our Albanian friends is this..if Serbia's opinion and policy towards Kosovo does not matter, why is there such a pressure on Belgrade to "accept the reality".

The reality is, for now the status quo suites Serbia's realistic national interest. We cannot control Kosovo, but its amputation cannot be legitimized without Belgrades approval. The status quo only HURTS the West and more importantly, Pristina.

"Offering" Northern Kosovo to Serbia in exchange for recognition is not compromise. Pristina could never govern Mitrovica in a million years. Those Serbs would have nothing to live for under that kind of governance so they will die for that not to happen. Remain the status quo, watch Western money sink into a black hole and the Albanians will STILL have nothing to show for.

Nema Predaje.
(Ari Gold, 16 November 2011, 10:12)

As we know by now Serbia have to have good neighbourly relations with Kosovo if it wants to have a chance to enter EU. Serbia cannot live as an island surrounded by EU countrys so it will be forced to enter EU. You are jucky for the time being that 5 EU countrys dosen't officaly recognize the independence of Kosovo but if Serbia dosen't recognize Kosovo soon then this 5 countrys will. Then Kosovo will be a member of EU before Serbia and there is nothing Serbia can do against Kosovo anymore.

But I think Serbia will do the right thing and recognize Kosovo and enter EU before other balkan countrys. That is because it wants to be a regional leader. Serbia has lost Kosovo forever and that is obvious. It would be more obvious if Kosovo united with Albania but we want to make an historic compromise and make Kosovo an state for all it etnicitys.

The compromise is Kosovo independence. If Kosovo would become a part of Serbia, serbs would get it all. And if Kosovo would united with Albania, albanians would get it all. The independence of Kosovo is the historic compromise Tadic is talking about.

Kosovo is not more serbian than albanian just because of some orthodox churches located in Kosovo. You cannot build religous sites to occupy a territory. We albanians have historic buildings such as houses,churches and mousques wich dates way back. It's not somthing we use to say that Kosovo is ours because we live there and have lived there for centurys. We don't need buildings to state who Kosovo belongs to. But we respect that serbs also live and have lived in Kosovo. But that dosen't make Kosovo a part of the serbian state.

You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers. it will take time before you turn back to reality. Kosovo will not be part of an serbian state in the future. Not as long as albanians live there and have somthing to say.

PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

Mr. Jakup Krasniqi! it's not a border crossing between two countries. maybe in your wild dreams but the fact is it will NEVER be. Kosovo will never be a state. it will remain a frozen conflict unless the Kosovo Albanians agree on a genuine autonomy deal with Belgrade.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

This isn't news. This is Albanian fantasy and we hear it very frequently here. If Albanians attempt to take it all then they will lose it all. Besides, the so-called negotiations have failed and the people have taken matters into their own hands. This is the EU/US attempting to complete unfinished business under the guise of dialogue before it is too late. Well, the "dialogue" has failed and it is too late.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

Albs thanks for this. You made it so no politician in Belgrade would ever agree to that which I am sincerely thankful for. Its very simple. We can't fight another war (God knows its not the Albs we cannot fight, but Camp Bondsteel) but Kosovo is still LEGALLY apart of Serbia. Defacto, most of Kosovo is separated from Serbia (not as a country, more a Western colony).

My simple question to our Albanian friends is this..if Serbia's opinion and policy towards Kosovo does not matter, why is there such a pressure on Belgrade to "accept the reality".

The reality is, for now the status quo suites Serbia's realistic national interest. We cannot control Kosovo, but its amputation cannot be legitimized without Belgrades approval. The status quo only HURTS the West and more importantly, Pristina.

"Offering" Northern Kosovo to Serbia in exchange for recognition is not compromise. Pristina could never govern Mitrovica in a million years. Those Serbs would have nothing to live for under that kind of governance so they will die for that not to happen. Remain the status quo, watch Western money sink into a black hole and the Albanians will STILL have nothing to show for.

Nema Predaje.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

As December 9 is coming KAlbanians are getting more and more impudent and unfortunately they are supported by EU. Throughout all the history the West tries to impose unstable state-building in the Balkans, to make sure future war are inevitable.
Just remember Berlin congress, 1878, which was to sow seeds for Worls Wars by giving Bosnia to Austro-Hungary...

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

But we respect that serbs also live and have lived in Kosovo. But that dosen't make Kosovo a part of the serbian state.
You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers. it will take time before you turn back to reality. Kosovo will not be part of an serbian state in the future. Not as long as albanians live there and have somthing to say.
(Demiq, 16 November 2011 11:19)

Hello Demiq,

Firstly, what the f..k! Respect! Are you talking about kidnapping Serbians from their land, shipping them over to albania and then cutting my people to peaces (serbians) to sell their organs on the black market..etc

Secondly, Kosovo is Independent and the serbs living in north will fall under Pristina rule....good one... that's what I call wishful thinking or albanian fairytale!

Reality...look at the historical facts written in the history books all over the world. Those churches, monasteries and Serbian Christians were the original inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula. albanians came way afer...

Kosovo will be part of serbia again...regardless what u happen to think....serbs will be back in Kosovo....You stole Kosovo land, not through dipmomacy and negotiations but by the use of USA military force....you continue to murder my people(serbs) almost on daily basis...and you also think bondsteel and USA empire is going to last forever!....wrong..lol...lol....lol...u see, we do everything in 3.....fall of the german/usa empire....it has begun....serbs must stay patient....Kosovo will be serbian again!..whether u albos. want to believe it or not....

Timber Wolf

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Hello Demi!

Evidence of organ trafficking???? Seriously! ....it's all over ...newspapers/online/intelligence reports....including USA/german/italian/greek/russian....the list goes on and on....all the way to medicus clinic case that illegally trafficked organs, and finally busted in 2008....evidence...didn't the Hague tribunal destroyed evidence?...witnesses, don't worry, thank god some of them are still alive...

Three milion hungry, cold, thirsty Albos vs 10 million strong Serbs...ok..will send 100 soldiers....should be enough

Timber Wolf

Djedo

pre 12 godina

"that both countries should recognize those borders"
How yuga progresses with a little comparison.
The first Yuga: did not have the administrative boundaries.
The second Yuga: made gimmick with administrative boundaries.
The third sorrow: administrative borders became state borders all are joyful.
Now in the public from the occupied Serbia province people seeks to publicly admit national borders.. Today the Serbian is occupied and did not recognize another state in their state.
Moral: The all new state was created for the first time and I see that everyone screams including last one with "I wanted state from you" like a little baby for the mother.. Baloni Staloni no state for you mother say.

Demi

pre 12 godina

To Canadian serbs,

''Firstly, what the f..k! Respect! Are you talking about kidnapping Serbians from their land, shipping them over to albania and then cutting my people to peaces (serbians) to sell their organs on the black market..etc ''

I don't belive such things ever happend. It's only rumors. I belive only in facts. If you have no evidence then do not mention it. You have no evidence, victims or eyewitnesses! It's a lie!

''Secondly, Kosovo is Independent and the serbs living in north will fall under Pristina rule....good one... that's what I call wishful thinking or albanian fairytale!''

It's not wishful thinking. It's reality. The same reality goes for the albanians in Preshevo valley. Do you want to switch ??

''Reality...look at the historical facts written in the history books all over the world. Those churches, monasteries and Serbian Christians were the original inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula. albanians came way afer...''

Someone was living in Kosovo before slavs/serbs came to Balkan. It was not free of people since we know the dardanians lived there before. I wonder who burned down their herige in Kosovo? buildings,religious sites etc ?? But it dosen't matter actully who was there first. Even if serbs were there first it dosen't make Kosovo a part of the current serbian state.

''Kosovo will be part of serbia again...regardless what u happen to think....serbs will be back in Kosovo....You stole Kosovo land, not through dipmomacy and negotiations but by the use of USA military force....you continue to murder my people(serbs) almost on daily basis...and you also think bondsteel and USA empire is going to last forever!....wrong..lol...lol....lol...u see, we do everything in 3.....fall of the german/usa empire....it has begun....serbs must stay patient....Kosovo will be serbian again!..whether u albos. want to believe it or not....''

Kosovo will stay independent. It will never be a part of Serbia. We albanians diden't occupy Kosovo since we have lived here for centurys. We are an majority here. When you are ready to come and start a war in Kosovo to occupy my people and and the land of my forfathers then me and my people will be more ready than we were in 1998-99. This time we have a country and we will arm our self so we can fight back.It was easy for you back in time when you keept us un-armed and attcked us with tanks. Next time it wont be that easy. We will allways have an open eye on you serbs just like Israel have on the arabs.

Try to keep Vojvodina insteed!

trizo

pre 12 godina

I think it's no longer time for dialogue and there is not other way to solve the issue of land stealing and land theft.

Albanians cannot steal Kosovo or North Kosovo and we can not let them get away with this any longer.

They are greedy and want it all. And it's happening in broad daylight under the supervision and guidance of America & Germany & France.

Serbs in Serbia are happy. Not everyone has a good salary, in fact most don't but they have a richer culture and money is not everything.

We are not isolating ourselves from not joining the EU, we are just not bowing down to the Germans/Americans and two faced French for trying to support the theft of our land.

We cannot negotiate with Pristina or these Albanians in Kosovo they are uncompromising and overly arrogant.

Tadic how do you feel knowing you're in charge of military intervention and approx. 20,000 K.Serbs have applied for Russian citizenship because they are being ethnically cleansed before your eyes??? Sick.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

You serbs live in an fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers.
Demiq

And albanians don't live in a fairytale forced into your heads by your forfathers? You actually believe Kosovo is yours. You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs even though there is no proof of that at all. You are muslim which means you arrived with the turks. Simple as that. You arrived with them, you may leave with them.

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

All Serbia has to do is continue this stalemate. The K-Albanians' international supporters do not care that much about a million or so people in a small province. They will eventually be elbow deep in someone else's issues; since they have much larger problems globally (and possibly even domestically). Then they will let this pseudo-state project slowly fade into the background (to avoid the citizens from questioning why their tax dollars were spent on a failed operation). At that time when the K-Albanians realize that they have lost support and don't have any more money pouring in they will say "ummm, ok let's sit down and talk now." But it will be too late.

Ravna gora

pre 12 godina

"We albanians have historic buildings such as houses,churches and mousques wich dates way back."

This is nice story for the kids, if kids say " wich dates way back" You must explain to them: per Greek books albo com from Sicily (1043) with George Maniac in the Drach. Just tell them truth nothing more It's not good to lie kids.
Don't use Turks time in Kosovo for the mousques, they build them. You only build 200 mousques in past 10 yr. for same period of the time you destroy 150 Church and 00 was build. for your time in the Balkan (968 yr. is "Date" of arrival) you build near milion bunkers in albo, here is nice story for kids, right. reed to them my story and I'm positive they will be smile and loved you more than before.
Thanks for yor time and have nice day.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"It is essentially important that this border is a state border ..."

It might be 'essentially important' for Kosovo, but it's far from the reality, because Kosovo's statehood is doubtful. Some say it's not even a border, but an administrative line.

Crnogorski Srbin

pre 12 godina

"You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs even though there is no proof of that at all."

For albo's please don't claim somthing and triger other reed your bla.. bla comment with your empty story it's not worted to red and spend time.
"MikeC".. your comment is very nice "You believe that albanians were in Kosovo before the serbs". The main witness bringing the Albanians in Serbia by Djordje Maniacs (1043 wrote: "Michael Attaliota: History" ... see book any web in PDF page 9-18. in the Greek or Latin.
next time don't lie and be happy albo. Thanks.

icj1

pre 12 godina

It might be 'essentially important' for Kosovo, but it's far from the reality, because Kosovo's statehood is doubtful. Some say it's not even a border, but an administrative line.
(Analyst, 16 November 2011 18:00)

That has a very easy solution. Serbia is free to call it "administrative line" and does not have to have Pristina's permission for that. The same way that Pristina does not need Serbia's permission to call it "border".