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Tuesday, 15.11.2011.

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Ashton believes in Tadić, German PM says "no shortcuts"

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said on Monday in Brussels that the continuation of the Kosovo dialog was expected "very soon".

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dori tirana

pre 12 godina

@ dori from tirana. what business do you have on the Serb site? your going to give US advice
(grobar1, 16 November 2011 01:25)

@ dear grobar1, cause I think is better to challenge our opinions than to challenge our rifle.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"No unity in Serbia ever. That is our goal"

That's ridiculous.

Why should "unity" be a goal. Name countries that are "unified". Saudi Arabia, maybe?

Why do you want to be like a muslim theocracy?

CCCC is something for poems and Kingdoms.

Poems are nice, but the days of Kingdoms are gone, thankfully, unless you're writing poems.

Michael

pre 12 godina

Basically, the deal is this: you must recognize Kosovo as an independent country first, and that will improve your chances to maybe become an EU member down the road into the future if we so decide. It is so obvious that Germany and others will not allow Serbia to get in, even after recognizing Kosovo, and they will laugh very hard once Belgrade does: this whole game is and has been nothing more than to get them to recognize Kosovo and that's it. You have to be a child to think otherwise. Belgrade looks unbelievably foolish: like a 16 year old boy being promised "fun" by a 25 year old beauty queen, and giving her his mother's jewelry for maybe a kiss in the future. It is high time for Belgrade to grow up, get some dignity and realize that they are not wanted by the main powers in the EU, and to look for alliances, both political and economic, elsewhere: obviously BRIC and NAM.

Winston

pre 12 godina

Tadic is a major disaster for Serbia, who is responsible for empoverishing the majority of its citizens, and for trying to sell his fellow countrymen and women from Metohija to so-called self-proclaimed independent Kosovo.

With such a leadership in Belgrade and with daily oppression, subjugation by so-called Albanian authorities in Pristina, no doubt that the tens of thousands Serbs have already applied for Russian citizenship. No doubt that more and more Serbs (outside Kosovo and Metohija) will continue applying for Russian protection, because they are left in mortal danger through gross irresponsibility of their own leader(s)" in Belgrade. All what Kosovo and Metohija Serbs ask for is to have freedom from oppresion by so-called independent Albanian Kosovo authorities. Obviously, that is too much to ask for for NATO and its satellites.

Those who control your lives

pre 12 godina

No unity in Serbia ever. That is our goal. And we are good at achieving our goals. We all know how dangerous Serbs become when they are united. We won't let that happen. Let the fight between Serbs and Serbs begin.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

And he should have added that 27 member states don't have an unanimous stand on Kosovo being a state at all, and an province can hardly be a 'neighbour' of a state
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 November 2011 17:08)
Don’t insist too much for Kosova to be a province, cause if you do so at the end Serbia will finish as province and black hole in Balkan.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

So betraying Karadzic and Mladic wasn't enough?
Gee, who would've thought. Never saw it coming.
How much more proof is needed to see this man and his party for what they are?

MikeC

pre 12 godina

.... and there you have it!

Tung
FREEDOM


Have what?



"...the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo"

"What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement."

EA



Damn! It really means that? I thought "good neighborly relations" ment "good neighborly relations".

By the way, why is it only up to Serbia to improve relations with its neighbours? Albanians should be able to provoke and kill Serbs all they want while Serbs need to be the mature one.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"He added that 27 member states still do not have a unanimous stand on granting candidacy to Serbia, Beta news agency reported from Brussels."

And he should have added that 27 member states don't have an unanimous stand on Kosovo being a state at all, and an province can hardly be a 'neighbour' of a state

Winston

pre 12 godina

How is Serbia to make progress in relations with its neighbors, i.e., Albaniacs in Kosovo, if Pristina is the instigator of violence, unilateral police actions, and a total unwillingness to negotiate a single thing? These talking heads from the EU are just stalling for time, until they figure out what they really want to do next with KiM = because their original plans failed big time.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Remember where we have come from and that is so important. Our spirit is strong.
Zivela Srbija
(trizo, 15 November 2011 13:49)
--
Too true. Not all but most Serbs know where we have come from and where our dignity lies. We can see history repeating. Germany once again attempts to control Europe but once again it be destroyed by that desire. Serbia under occupation led by Nedic is a reflections of Serbia under occupation led by Tadic.

Patriotic Serbians are at the front of resistance surrounded by former NAZI collaborators, the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims. Just like the US hesitated to join the war and so will China. Just like Great Britian was being surrounded, with the US at its back and so is Russia, with China at its back. Yes, the new dictators are highly advanced just like Germany back then but they are economically broke, just like Germany back then.

Our saviours don't have the technological know-how right now but they have the numbers. The Brute force in the battle of East vs. West with the fault lines being the Orthodox lands. No, not so much military for now but economical warfare and it is obvious who will end up being victorious.

You choose, who has the capital, economical growth, efficient and cheap workforce, energy security and man power? China or US? Russia or Great Britain?

They know what's just around the corner. Why the rush to finalise "Kosova". What is the threat of the barricade? What is the threat of Occupy Wall St? They are attempting to dismantle both. Why have non-elected prime ministers been installed in Greece and Italy? You call that democracy? Are these signed of a healthy community? My God, where are these people who criticise Serbian democracy? Look at your own backyard, it is a complete mess and they come here to lecture us?

Just like history repeats, Serbians after a struggle always end up on the victorious side. A fight for freedom and faith in God.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

'In the case of Serbia, the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo", Westerwelle said, stressing that "those who wish to join the EU must not support violence."

"Everyone must fully meet the criteria. The conditions refer to good management, the fight against corruption and crime and in Serbia's case, good neighborly ties are also a condition," Westerwelle stated'


What a lying hypocrite! Westerwelle is lecturing Serbs about 'supporting violence'?? What about the violence of Kosovo albanians against Serbian citizens that Germany supports on a daily basis? What about hundreds of murdered Serbs in Kosovo with absolutely nobody caught and punished? What about 150 Orthodox churches destroyed, desecrated, and gravestones overturned? What about firing live ammunition at Serbian civilian protesters?? What about no freedom of movement for Serbs in Kosovo? What about Serbs living in barbed wire ghettos in the 21'st century?? Only in NATO run Kosovo.

I think this Fuhrer should be given the middle finger and told in no uncertain terms that he is a slimy scumbag. My suggestion to Guido Weserwelle is to take his collapsing Euros (while they are still worth something), and travel to his beloved Turkey.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

to icj

A country either recognises Kosovo or it doesn't (you're either pregnant or you're not).

Only juridical recognitions are important.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Then why do Albanians demand Serbia to stop supporting parallel institutions in Kosovo North?
(aaayyy, 14 November 2011 11:28)

Well, some Albanians in Kosovo are not above Kosovo's Constitution. They can demand whatever they want; who cares about that...
(icj)

Well, all KAlbanian politicians demand Serbia to stop supporting parallel institutions in Kosovo North and EU cars about it and makes it one of the preconditions of EU entering for Serbia.

Albanians have never said they want to control North Kosovo. And even if they wanted to, Kosovo's Constitution prevents that because it gives the right to N. Kosovo residents to manage their own local affairs and, in addition, Kosovo's Constitution can't change without K. Serbs consent.
(icj)

I wonder who wrote Kosovo's Constitution and who approved it? Were KSerbs asked about their opinions? Does Kosovo's Constitution mention Kosovo as independent state and has this constitution’s statement approval of KSerbs community? EU demand abolishing of Serbian institutions in N.Kosovo and establishing Albanian institutions. EU doesn’t want to admit Serbia if these demands are not fulfilled.


Come on, don’t become ridiculous with these weird ideas of selecting customs officers based on ethnicity.
(icj)

It isn’t me who becomes become ridiculous with these weird ideas of selecting customs officers based on ethnicity, it’s Thaci’s idea, he believe that only Albanians could guard central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border.
Well, I read a little bit more than just the title by Wikipendia “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent" and on the list below that heading I found about 20 which said that “they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent” or that they “recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia”.
(icj)

Here we see a list of countries (much more than 20 – something about 71) under the title “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". What else does a sound person need to realize that I was right? The countries don’t have to declare their intentions according to icj (yours) formats/demands.

Which exactly country in that list do you question? I mean which country do you suspect to actually recognize Kosovo as independent from the list “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent"? There could be only two stances for a country – ether it recognizes Kosovo as independent or not. There is no special stance like “keeping silence”.

ZZ

pre 12 godina

All the rats have come out and are surrounding their prey. Tadic is stalling because history is on his doorstep and he doesn't want the title of the Ultimate Serbian Traitor. If he does what they want him to, his name and that of his family will be spat on for all of history, worse than Lazars curse on Brankovic.

Ashton: "believes Serbian President Boris Tadic would affirm "his leadership capabilities,"
Translation: Time to deliver!

Ashton: "I have told President Tadić several times that I believe in his leadership capabilities
in Serbia and that he genuinely wants Serbia to be seen as part of the European Union,"
Translation: We believe you have the courage to betray your country.

Guido Westerwelle: German Foreign Minister stated that his country backs EU integration of the
Western Balkans, but requires the fulfillment of the necessary criteria.
Translation: The time has come to do the dirty job!

Ashton: Tadić "knows that there are things which need to be done together" and that
she hopes the "agreement will be seen being implemented in the next days or weeks."
Translation: Stop screwing around and do what your told!

Ashton: "The European Union will be very prepared to support him in that undertaking,"
Translation: When your people throw you out, we'll give you a fancy job with a fancy title in Brussels.

Westerwelle "conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo", he said, stressing
that "those who wish to join the EU must not support violence."
Translation "neighbourly relations" means recognition. He did not say landlord/tenant relations.

Westerwelle: "Everyone must fully meet the criteria. The conditions refer to good management, the fight
against corruption and crime and in Serbia's case, good neighborly ties are also a condition,"
Translation: No translation needed, No wiggle room left, do it now or no fancy job later.

Westerwelle: "no shortcuts will be allowed" in EU integrations and that those aspiring to join the EU are
expected to demonstrate "cooperation rather than conflicts".
Translation: I hope you all enjoyed your victory day parades cause this is payback!!

Alain Juppe: Serbia should be granted the status of a candidate country providing that "Belgrade makes
progress in the dialog with Priština." Juppe also said "Serbia should find solutions to the issues
relating to Kosovo".
Translation: We don't really agree with Germany, but what can we do? They control all the money.


Let's make this simple. The only quotes Boris Tadic should be worried about are those on Lazar's monument.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement.
(EA, 15 November 2011 11:54)

Yes, exactly, it means to betray Kosovo serbs.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Germany the invaders of Serbia (many times) are now lecturing Serbia who have never invaded Germany about supporting good neighbourly relations and not violence???

This makes me feel ill to hear this from Germany.

And also to listen to a Yank tell the media her opinion on Serbia & EU etc ... who cares what you think.

Right now I feel we are screwed. Noone at the moment has our backs. Yes we are isolating ourselves but at least we keep our dignity.

Stay strong fellow Serbians because the only thing that will make us fail is when we turn against ourselves and follow/bow down to Germany/USA.

Remember where we have come from and that is so important. Our spirit is strong.

Zivela Srbija

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Perhaps the SPS should create Immediate Elections on the grounds that the DS may be scheming Treason with regard to Kosovo, because of things that they overheard Tadic and Company saying.

If an Election is called, then the European Union will have to give Serbia the Unless Trinket of European Union Status, and possibly even the SAA Agreement to help Tadic and Company at the Elections, because they want to give away Kosovo and join NATO.

EA

pre 12 godina

"...the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo"

What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement.

miles

pre 12 godina

They've put Tadic in a box. Ashcroft just exposed him-in the UK she is taking a lot of criticism for being incompetent. It's over for him. The Serbian people have to choose Kosovo or the EU oh and by the way membership will never happen as Germany will continue to humiliate and put obstacles in the way even if Serbia gives up Kosovo. Kick Tadic out of office or continue with the death of a thousand conditions.

Serbia should look back to the past for an answer and think of a Balkan block with a business fabric including Russia,China and friends in Africa and the Middle East, there is nothing but trouble in the West.

Does Serbia really want to be a slave of Germany? I don't think its in Serbia's DNA. Historically she has often stood alone for freedom and independence-unlike her spineless neighbours.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

What Ashton is saying here is that the EU and NATO are ready to support Tadic to stab Serbians in the back, especially those in KiM. Personally, when he tries I think that will be the end of him and his sell-outs. In fact, everything he is doing now is for his personal party needs and not for Serbia.

I'm glad Serbs have finally stood against the deception of the sell-outs with help from the opposition. Time is running out for Tadic and the EU so stand firm. I'll be in KiM in January to offer my support.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

'In the case of Serbia, the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo", Westerwelle said, stressing that "those who wish to join the EU must not support violence."

"Everyone must fully meet the criteria. The conditions refer to good management, the fight against corruption and crime and in Serbia's case, good neighborly ties are also a condition," Westerwelle stated'


What a lying hypocrite! Westerwelle is lecturing Serbs about 'supporting violence'?? What about the violence of Kosovo albanians against Serbian citizens that Germany supports on a daily basis? What about hundreds of murdered Serbs in Kosovo with absolutely nobody caught and punished? What about 150 Orthodox churches destroyed, desecrated, and gravestones overturned? What about firing live ammunition at Serbian civilian protesters?? What about no freedom of movement for Serbs in Kosovo? What about Serbs living in barbed wire ghettos in the 21'st century?? Only in NATO run Kosovo.

I think this Fuhrer should be given the middle finger and told in no uncertain terms that he is a slimy scumbag. My suggestion to Guido Weserwelle is to take his collapsing Euros (while they are still worth something), and travel to his beloved Turkey.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Germany the invaders of Serbia (many times) are now lecturing Serbia who have never invaded Germany about supporting good neighbourly relations and not violence???

This makes me feel ill to hear this from Germany.

And also to listen to a Yank tell the media her opinion on Serbia & EU etc ... who cares what you think.

Right now I feel we are screwed. Noone at the moment has our backs. Yes we are isolating ourselves but at least we keep our dignity.

Stay strong fellow Serbians because the only thing that will make us fail is when we turn against ourselves and follow/bow down to Germany/USA.

Remember where we have come from and that is so important. Our spirit is strong.

Zivela Srbija

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Perhaps the SPS should create Immediate Elections on the grounds that the DS may be scheming Treason with regard to Kosovo, because of things that they overheard Tadic and Company saying.

If an Election is called, then the European Union will have to give Serbia the Unless Trinket of European Union Status, and possibly even the SAA Agreement to help Tadic and Company at the Elections, because they want to give away Kosovo and join NATO.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

.... and there you have it!

Tung
FREEDOM


Have what?



"...the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo"

"What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement."

EA



Damn! It really means that? I thought "good neighborly relations" ment "good neighborly relations".

By the way, why is it only up to Serbia to improve relations with its neighbours? Albanians should be able to provoke and kill Serbs all they want while Serbs need to be the mature one.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Remember where we have come from and that is so important. Our spirit is strong.
Zivela Srbija
(trizo, 15 November 2011 13:49)
--
Too true. Not all but most Serbs know where we have come from and where our dignity lies. We can see history repeating. Germany once again attempts to control Europe but once again it be destroyed by that desire. Serbia under occupation led by Nedic is a reflections of Serbia under occupation led by Tadic.

Patriotic Serbians are at the front of resistance surrounded by former NAZI collaborators, the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims. Just like the US hesitated to join the war and so will China. Just like Great Britian was being surrounded, with the US at its back and so is Russia, with China at its back. Yes, the new dictators are highly advanced just like Germany back then but they are economically broke, just like Germany back then.

Our saviours don't have the technological know-how right now but they have the numbers. The Brute force in the battle of East vs. West with the fault lines being the Orthodox lands. No, not so much military for now but economical warfare and it is obvious who will end up being victorious.

You choose, who has the capital, economical growth, efficient and cheap workforce, energy security and man power? China or US? Russia or Great Britain?

They know what's just around the corner. Why the rush to finalise "Kosova". What is the threat of the barricade? What is the threat of Occupy Wall St? They are attempting to dismantle both. Why have non-elected prime ministers been installed in Greece and Italy? You call that democracy? Are these signed of a healthy community? My God, where are these people who criticise Serbian democracy? Look at your own backyard, it is a complete mess and they come here to lecture us?

Just like history repeats, Serbians after a struggle always end up on the victorious side. A fight for freedom and faith in God.

miles

pre 12 godina

They've put Tadic in a box. Ashcroft just exposed him-in the UK she is taking a lot of criticism for being incompetent. It's over for him. The Serbian people have to choose Kosovo or the EU oh and by the way membership will never happen as Germany will continue to humiliate and put obstacles in the way even if Serbia gives up Kosovo. Kick Tadic out of office or continue with the death of a thousand conditions.

Serbia should look back to the past for an answer and think of a Balkan block with a business fabric including Russia,China and friends in Africa and the Middle East, there is nothing but trouble in the West.

Does Serbia really want to be a slave of Germany? I don't think its in Serbia's DNA. Historically she has often stood alone for freedom and independence-unlike her spineless neighbours.

Winston

pre 12 godina

How is Serbia to make progress in relations with its neighbors, i.e., Albaniacs in Kosovo, if Pristina is the instigator of violence, unilateral police actions, and a total unwillingness to negotiate a single thing? These talking heads from the EU are just stalling for time, until they figure out what they really want to do next with KiM = because their original plans failed big time.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

What Ashton is saying here is that the EU and NATO are ready to support Tadic to stab Serbians in the back, especially those in KiM. Personally, when he tries I think that will be the end of him and his sell-outs. In fact, everything he is doing now is for his personal party needs and not for Serbia.

I'm glad Serbs have finally stood against the deception of the sell-outs with help from the opposition. Time is running out for Tadic and the EU so stand firm. I'll be in KiM in January to offer my support.

EA

pre 12 godina

"...the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo"

What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

to icj

A country either recognises Kosovo or it doesn't (you're either pregnant or you're not).

Only juridical recognitions are important.

ZZ

pre 12 godina

All the rats have come out and are surrounding their prey. Tadic is stalling because history is on his doorstep and he doesn't want the title of the Ultimate Serbian Traitor. If he does what they want him to, his name and that of his family will be spat on for all of history, worse than Lazars curse on Brankovic.

Ashton: "believes Serbian President Boris Tadic would affirm "his leadership capabilities,"
Translation: Time to deliver!

Ashton: "I have told President Tadić several times that I believe in his leadership capabilities
in Serbia and that he genuinely wants Serbia to be seen as part of the European Union,"
Translation: We believe you have the courage to betray your country.

Guido Westerwelle: German Foreign Minister stated that his country backs EU integration of the
Western Balkans, but requires the fulfillment of the necessary criteria.
Translation: The time has come to do the dirty job!

Ashton: Tadić "knows that there are things which need to be done together" and that
she hopes the "agreement will be seen being implemented in the next days or weeks."
Translation: Stop screwing around and do what your told!

Ashton: "The European Union will be very prepared to support him in that undertaking,"
Translation: When your people throw you out, we'll give you a fancy job with a fancy title in Brussels.

Westerwelle "conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo", he said, stressing
that "those who wish to join the EU must not support violence."
Translation "neighbourly relations" means recognition. He did not say landlord/tenant relations.

Westerwelle: "Everyone must fully meet the criteria. The conditions refer to good management, the fight
against corruption and crime and in Serbia's case, good neighborly ties are also a condition,"
Translation: No translation needed, No wiggle room left, do it now or no fancy job later.

Westerwelle: "no shortcuts will be allowed" in EU integrations and that those aspiring to join the EU are
expected to demonstrate "cooperation rather than conflicts".
Translation: I hope you all enjoyed your victory day parades cause this is payback!!

Alain Juppe: Serbia should be granted the status of a candidate country providing that "Belgrade makes
progress in the dialog with Priština." Juppe also said "Serbia should find solutions to the issues
relating to Kosovo".
Translation: We don't really agree with Germany, but what can we do? They control all the money.


Let's make this simple. The only quotes Boris Tadic should be worried about are those on Lazar's monument.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"He added that 27 member states still do not have a unanimous stand on granting candidacy to Serbia, Beta news agency reported from Brussels."

And he should have added that 27 member states don't have an unanimous stand on Kosovo being a state at all, and an province can hardly be a 'neighbour' of a state

Winston

pre 12 godina

Tadic is a major disaster for Serbia, who is responsible for empoverishing the majority of its citizens, and for trying to sell his fellow countrymen and women from Metohija to so-called self-proclaimed independent Kosovo.

With such a leadership in Belgrade and with daily oppression, subjugation by so-called Albanian authorities in Pristina, no doubt that the tens of thousands Serbs have already applied for Russian citizenship. No doubt that more and more Serbs (outside Kosovo and Metohija) will continue applying for Russian protection, because they are left in mortal danger through gross irresponsibility of their own leader(s)" in Belgrade. All what Kosovo and Metohija Serbs ask for is to have freedom from oppresion by so-called independent Albanian Kosovo authorities. Obviously, that is too much to ask for for NATO and its satellites.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement.
(EA, 15 November 2011 11:54)

Yes, exactly, it means to betray Kosovo serbs.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

So betraying Karadzic and Mladic wasn't enough?
Gee, who would've thought. Never saw it coming.
How much more proof is needed to see this man and his party for what they are?

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Then why do Albanians demand Serbia to stop supporting parallel institutions in Kosovo North?
(aaayyy, 14 November 2011 11:28)

Well, some Albanians in Kosovo are not above Kosovo's Constitution. They can demand whatever they want; who cares about that...
(icj)

Well, all KAlbanian politicians demand Serbia to stop supporting parallel institutions in Kosovo North and EU cars about it and makes it one of the preconditions of EU entering for Serbia.

Albanians have never said they want to control North Kosovo. And even if they wanted to, Kosovo's Constitution prevents that because it gives the right to N. Kosovo residents to manage their own local affairs and, in addition, Kosovo's Constitution can't change without K. Serbs consent.
(icj)

I wonder who wrote Kosovo's Constitution and who approved it? Were KSerbs asked about their opinions? Does Kosovo's Constitution mention Kosovo as independent state and has this constitution’s statement approval of KSerbs community? EU demand abolishing of Serbian institutions in N.Kosovo and establishing Albanian institutions. EU doesn’t want to admit Serbia if these demands are not fulfilled.


Come on, don’t become ridiculous with these weird ideas of selecting customs officers based on ethnicity.
(icj)

It isn’t me who becomes become ridiculous with these weird ideas of selecting customs officers based on ethnicity, it’s Thaci’s idea, he believe that only Albanians could guard central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border.
Well, I read a little bit more than just the title by Wikipendia “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent" and on the list below that heading I found about 20 which said that “they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent” or that they “recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia”.
(icj)

Here we see a list of countries (much more than 20 – something about 71) under the title “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". What else does a sound person need to realize that I was right? The countries don’t have to declare their intentions according to icj (yours) formats/demands.

Which exactly country in that list do you question? I mean which country do you suspect to actually recognize Kosovo as independent from the list “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent"? There could be only two stances for a country – ether it recognizes Kosovo as independent or not. There is no special stance like “keeping silence”.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

And he should have added that 27 member states don't have an unanimous stand on Kosovo being a state at all, and an province can hardly be a 'neighbour' of a state
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 November 2011 17:08)
Don’t insist too much for Kosova to be a province, cause if you do so at the end Serbia will finish as province and black hole in Balkan.

Those who control your lives

pre 12 godina

No unity in Serbia ever. That is our goal. And we are good at achieving our goals. We all know how dangerous Serbs become when they are united. We won't let that happen. Let the fight between Serbs and Serbs begin.

Michael

pre 12 godina

Basically, the deal is this: you must recognize Kosovo as an independent country first, and that will improve your chances to maybe become an EU member down the road into the future if we so decide. It is so obvious that Germany and others will not allow Serbia to get in, even after recognizing Kosovo, and they will laugh very hard once Belgrade does: this whole game is and has been nothing more than to get them to recognize Kosovo and that's it. You have to be a child to think otherwise. Belgrade looks unbelievably foolish: like a 16 year old boy being promised "fun" by a 25 year old beauty queen, and giving her his mother's jewelry for maybe a kiss in the future. It is high time for Belgrade to grow up, get some dignity and realize that they are not wanted by the main powers in the EU, and to look for alliances, both political and economic, elsewhere: obviously BRIC and NAM.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"No unity in Serbia ever. That is our goal"

That's ridiculous.

Why should "unity" be a goal. Name countries that are "unified". Saudi Arabia, maybe?

Why do you want to be like a muslim theocracy?

CCCC is something for poems and Kingdoms.

Poems are nice, but the days of Kingdoms are gone, thankfully, unless you're writing poems.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

@ dori from tirana. what business do you have on the Serb site? your going to give US advice
(grobar1, 16 November 2011 01:25)

@ dear grobar1, cause I think is better to challenge our opinions than to challenge our rifle.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

What Ashton is saying here is that the EU and NATO are ready to support Tadic to stab Serbians in the back, especially those in KiM. Personally, when he tries I think that will be the end of him and his sell-outs. In fact, everything he is doing now is for his personal party needs and not for Serbia.

I'm glad Serbs have finally stood against the deception of the sell-outs with help from the opposition. Time is running out for Tadic and the EU so stand firm. I'll be in KiM in January to offer my support.

miles

pre 12 godina

They've put Tadic in a box. Ashcroft just exposed him-in the UK she is taking a lot of criticism for being incompetent. It's over for him. The Serbian people have to choose Kosovo or the EU oh and by the way membership will never happen as Germany will continue to humiliate and put obstacles in the way even if Serbia gives up Kosovo. Kick Tadic out of office or continue with the death of a thousand conditions.

Serbia should look back to the past for an answer and think of a Balkan block with a business fabric including Russia,China and friends in Africa and the Middle East, there is nothing but trouble in the West.

Does Serbia really want to be a slave of Germany? I don't think its in Serbia's DNA. Historically she has often stood alone for freedom and independence-unlike her spineless neighbours.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Germany the invaders of Serbia (many times) are now lecturing Serbia who have never invaded Germany about supporting good neighbourly relations and not violence???

This makes me feel ill to hear this from Germany.

And also to listen to a Yank tell the media her opinion on Serbia & EU etc ... who cares what you think.

Right now I feel we are screwed. Noone at the moment has our backs. Yes we are isolating ourselves but at least we keep our dignity.

Stay strong fellow Serbians because the only thing that will make us fail is when we turn against ourselves and follow/bow down to Germany/USA.

Remember where we have come from and that is so important. Our spirit is strong.

Zivela Srbija

EA

pre 12 godina

"...the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo"

What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Remember where we have come from and that is so important. Our spirit is strong.
Zivela Srbija
(trizo, 15 November 2011 13:49)
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Too true. Not all but most Serbs know where we have come from and where our dignity lies. We can see history repeating. Germany once again attempts to control Europe but once again it be destroyed by that desire. Serbia under occupation led by Nedic is a reflections of Serbia under occupation led by Tadic.

Patriotic Serbians are at the front of resistance surrounded by former NAZI collaborators, the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims. Just like the US hesitated to join the war and so will China. Just like Great Britian was being surrounded, with the US at its back and so is Russia, with China at its back. Yes, the new dictators are highly advanced just like Germany back then but they are economically broke, just like Germany back then.

Our saviours don't have the technological know-how right now but they have the numbers. The Brute force in the battle of East vs. West with the fault lines being the Orthodox lands. No, not so much military for now but economical warfare and it is obvious who will end up being victorious.

You choose, who has the capital, economical growth, efficient and cheap workforce, energy security and man power? China or US? Russia or Great Britain?

They know what's just around the corner. Why the rush to finalise "Kosova". What is the threat of the barricade? What is the threat of Occupy Wall St? They are attempting to dismantle both. Why have non-elected prime ministers been installed in Greece and Italy? You call that democracy? Are these signed of a healthy community? My God, where are these people who criticise Serbian democracy? Look at your own backyard, it is a complete mess and they come here to lecture us?

Just like history repeats, Serbians after a struggle always end up on the victorious side. A fight for freedom and faith in God.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

'In the case of Serbia, the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo", Westerwelle said, stressing that "those who wish to join the EU must not support violence."

"Everyone must fully meet the criteria. The conditions refer to good management, the fight against corruption and crime and in Serbia's case, good neighborly ties are also a condition," Westerwelle stated'


What a lying hypocrite! Westerwelle is lecturing Serbs about 'supporting violence'?? What about the violence of Kosovo albanians against Serbian citizens that Germany supports on a daily basis? What about hundreds of murdered Serbs in Kosovo with absolutely nobody caught and punished? What about 150 Orthodox churches destroyed, desecrated, and gravestones overturned? What about firing live ammunition at Serbian civilian protesters?? What about no freedom of movement for Serbs in Kosovo? What about Serbs living in barbed wire ghettos in the 21'st century?? Only in NATO run Kosovo.

I think this Fuhrer should be given the middle finger and told in no uncertain terms that he is a slimy scumbag. My suggestion to Guido Weserwelle is to take his collapsing Euros (while they are still worth something), and travel to his beloved Turkey.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Perhaps the SPS should create Immediate Elections on the grounds that the DS may be scheming Treason with regard to Kosovo, because of things that they overheard Tadic and Company saying.

If an Election is called, then the European Union will have to give Serbia the Unless Trinket of European Union Status, and possibly even the SAA Agreement to help Tadic and Company at the Elections, because they want to give away Kosovo and join NATO.

Winston

pre 12 godina

How is Serbia to make progress in relations with its neighbors, i.e., Albaniacs in Kosovo, if Pristina is the instigator of violence, unilateral police actions, and a total unwillingness to negotiate a single thing? These talking heads from the EU are just stalling for time, until they figure out what they really want to do next with KiM = because their original plans failed big time.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

.... and there you have it!

Tung
FREEDOM


Have what?



"...the conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo"

"What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement."

EA



Damn! It really means that? I thought "good neighborly relations" ment "good neighborly relations".

By the way, why is it only up to Serbia to improve relations with its neighbours? Albanians should be able to provoke and kill Serbs all they want while Serbs need to be the mature one.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Then why do Albanians demand Serbia to stop supporting parallel institutions in Kosovo North?
(aaayyy, 14 November 2011 11:28)

Well, some Albanians in Kosovo are not above Kosovo's Constitution. They can demand whatever they want; who cares about that...
(icj)

Well, all KAlbanian politicians demand Serbia to stop supporting parallel institutions in Kosovo North and EU cars about it and makes it one of the preconditions of EU entering for Serbia.

Albanians have never said they want to control North Kosovo. And even if they wanted to, Kosovo's Constitution prevents that because it gives the right to N. Kosovo residents to manage their own local affairs and, in addition, Kosovo's Constitution can't change without K. Serbs consent.
(icj)

I wonder who wrote Kosovo's Constitution and who approved it? Were KSerbs asked about their opinions? Does Kosovo's Constitution mention Kosovo as independent state and has this constitution’s statement approval of KSerbs community? EU demand abolishing of Serbian institutions in N.Kosovo and establishing Albanian institutions. EU doesn’t want to admit Serbia if these demands are not fulfilled.


Come on, don’t become ridiculous with these weird ideas of selecting customs officers based on ethnicity.
(icj)

It isn’t me who becomes become ridiculous with these weird ideas of selecting customs officers based on ethnicity, it’s Thaci’s idea, he believe that only Albanians could guard central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border.
Well, I read a little bit more than just the title by Wikipendia “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent" and on the list below that heading I found about 20 which said that “they don’t recognize Kosovo as independent” or that they “recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia”.
(icj)

Here we see a list of countries (much more than 20 – something about 71) under the title “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent". What else does a sound person need to realize that I was right? The countries don’t have to declare their intentions according to icj (yours) formats/demands.

Which exactly country in that list do you question? I mean which country do you suspect to actually recognize Kosovo as independent from the list “States which do not recognise Kosovo as independent"? There could be only two stances for a country – ether it recognizes Kosovo as independent or not. There is no special stance like “keeping silence”.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"He added that 27 member states still do not have a unanimous stand on granting candidacy to Serbia, Beta news agency reported from Brussels."

And he should have added that 27 member states don't have an unanimous stand on Kosovo being a state at all, and an province can hardly be a 'neighbour' of a state

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

And he should have added that 27 member states don't have an unanimous stand on Kosovo being a state at all, and an province can hardly be a 'neighbour' of a state
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 November 2011 17:08)
Don’t insist too much for Kosova to be a province, cause if you do so at the end Serbia will finish as province and black hole in Balkan.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

@ dori from tirana. what business do you have on the Serb site? your going to give US advice
(grobar1, 16 November 2011 01:25)

@ dear grobar1, cause I think is better to challenge our opinions than to challenge our rifle.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

What does that mean? Serbia must dismantle parallell institutions in Kosovo, recognise the authority of Kosovo institution, recognise Kosovo independence and the real serious talks and mutual agreement.
(EA, 15 November 2011 11:54)

Yes, exactly, it means to betray Kosovo serbs.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

to icj

A country either recognises Kosovo or it doesn't (you're either pregnant or you're not).

Only juridical recognitions are important.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

So betraying Karadzic and Mladic wasn't enough?
Gee, who would've thought. Never saw it coming.
How much more proof is needed to see this man and his party for what they are?

ZZ

pre 12 godina

All the rats have come out and are surrounding their prey. Tadic is stalling because history is on his doorstep and he doesn't want the title of the Ultimate Serbian Traitor. If he does what they want him to, his name and that of his family will be spat on for all of history, worse than Lazars curse on Brankovic.

Ashton: "believes Serbian President Boris Tadic would affirm "his leadership capabilities,"
Translation: Time to deliver!

Ashton: "I have told President Tadić several times that I believe in his leadership capabilities
in Serbia and that he genuinely wants Serbia to be seen as part of the European Union,"
Translation: We believe you have the courage to betray your country.

Guido Westerwelle: German Foreign Minister stated that his country backs EU integration of the
Western Balkans, but requires the fulfillment of the necessary criteria.
Translation: The time has come to do the dirty job!

Ashton: Tadić "knows that there are things which need to be done together" and that
she hopes the "agreement will be seen being implemented in the next days or weeks."
Translation: Stop screwing around and do what your told!

Ashton: "The European Union will be very prepared to support him in that undertaking,"
Translation: When your people throw you out, we'll give you a fancy job with a fancy title in Brussels.

Westerwelle "conditions also include "good neighborly relations with Kosovo", he said, stressing
that "those who wish to join the EU must not support violence."
Translation "neighbourly relations" means recognition. He did not say landlord/tenant relations.

Westerwelle: "Everyone must fully meet the criteria. The conditions refer to good management, the fight
against corruption and crime and in Serbia's case, good neighborly ties are also a condition,"
Translation: No translation needed, No wiggle room left, do it now or no fancy job later.

Westerwelle: "no shortcuts will be allowed" in EU integrations and that those aspiring to join the EU are
expected to demonstrate "cooperation rather than conflicts".
Translation: I hope you all enjoyed your victory day parades cause this is payback!!

Alain Juppe: Serbia should be granted the status of a candidate country providing that "Belgrade makes
progress in the dialog with Priština." Juppe also said "Serbia should find solutions to the issues
relating to Kosovo".
Translation: We don't really agree with Germany, but what can we do? They control all the money.


Let's make this simple. The only quotes Boris Tadic should be worried about are those on Lazar's monument.

Winston

pre 12 godina

Tadic is a major disaster for Serbia, who is responsible for empoverishing the majority of its citizens, and for trying to sell his fellow countrymen and women from Metohija to so-called self-proclaimed independent Kosovo.

With such a leadership in Belgrade and with daily oppression, subjugation by so-called Albanian authorities in Pristina, no doubt that the tens of thousands Serbs have already applied for Russian citizenship. No doubt that more and more Serbs (outside Kosovo and Metohija) will continue applying for Russian protection, because they are left in mortal danger through gross irresponsibility of their own leader(s)" in Belgrade. All what Kosovo and Metohija Serbs ask for is to have freedom from oppresion by so-called independent Albanian Kosovo authorities. Obviously, that is too much to ask for for NATO and its satellites.

Those who control your lives

pre 12 godina

No unity in Serbia ever. That is our goal. And we are good at achieving our goals. We all know how dangerous Serbs become when they are united. We won't let that happen. Let the fight between Serbs and Serbs begin.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"No unity in Serbia ever. That is our goal"

That's ridiculous.

Why should "unity" be a goal. Name countries that are "unified". Saudi Arabia, maybe?

Why do you want to be like a muslim theocracy?

CCCC is something for poems and Kingdoms.

Poems are nice, but the days of Kingdoms are gone, thankfully, unless you're writing poems.

Michael

pre 12 godina

Basically, the deal is this: you must recognize Kosovo as an independent country first, and that will improve your chances to maybe become an EU member down the road into the future if we so decide. It is so obvious that Germany and others will not allow Serbia to get in, even after recognizing Kosovo, and they will laugh very hard once Belgrade does: this whole game is and has been nothing more than to get them to recognize Kosovo and that's it. You have to be a child to think otherwise. Belgrade looks unbelievably foolish: like a 16 year old boy being promised "fun" by a 25 year old beauty queen, and giving her his mother's jewelry for maybe a kiss in the future. It is high time for Belgrade to grow up, get some dignity and realize that they are not wanted by the main powers in the EU, and to look for alliances, both political and economic, elsewhere: obviously BRIC and NAM.