Kosovo partition should be “closed-door debate”

“Serbia needs to decide which road it wants to take. You cannot be with the EU and at the same time with Russia, China and whoever,” Busek pointed out.
More threats and ultimatums from this Austrian. They never learn, do they? Busek, we are not your slaves like the Croats and Muslims, we are free and independent people. You should know that from history. Take your EU and shove it where the sun don't shine. You have shown by your actions, you and the Germans in particular, that you are true enemies of Serbia. You are both bankrupt morally and financially. Russia and China are rich with money and resources, are growing economically, and are defending Serbia's interest. This is a no brainer. Bye bye EU!
Cheers!!

Finally! thank god someone with logic!

I like it, its time to move on

1) South of the Ibar stays under NATO/pristina rule.
2) North Kosovo stays within Serbia

Now now to all the Albanians, I'll answer your question before you start ranting on about Presevo Valley.

1) There are 60 000 Albanians living in Presevo Valley and around 60 000 Serbs remain south of the Ibar hence leave it as it is, if not some how swap the southern serbs lands for presevo valley?

There you have it folkes, happily ever after, life goes on and both the Serbs and Albanians can move on...

Additionally!!! the answer to the other question for Albanians.. MACEDONIA? THE ANSWER IS NO!!!!!!!

1)The Albanians cant take care of 50 000 serbs in a radius of 1000sqkm e.g northern kosovo, hence 28000sqkm and 1.5 million Macedonians is a heck of alot, it aint going to happen.. you can try as hard as you want..

Please understand, that south of the Ibar is more than what the Albanians should be given too...

With a GDP of 11.9 billion, and 34% of that is foreign aid.. well you do the math...

Come on Internet Illyrian warriors.... lets keep it real..

@Bulgar of Ohrid,

there is as much logic in your post, as there is in your nick-name.

Russia and China are rich with money and resources, are growing economically, and are defending Serbia's interest. This is a no brainer. Bye bye EU!
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 12 November 2011 15:14)

Following Serbian definition of independence I thought that independent country only is a guarantee for its interest. What you're saying to Busek is: Mr. Busek we are not your slaves. We would rather choose Russians and Chinese as our masters.

So: Partition is a logical step, both sides have to reach a mutual agreement about this topic, and the remaining Kosovo must be recognized by Serbia (then all other countries will follow) and Kosovo becomes a normal state. Of course it's up to the international powers to push both sides to this solution, because neither side is ready or willing for this step.
(Analyst, 12 November 2011 17:37)

First, Kosovo is part of Serbia, and will never become a normal 'state'. If NATO wanted it to be a normal 'state', they never should have signed on to UN resolution 1244, which guarantees that Kosovo is Serbia. NATO didn't want to send in ground troops, and badly wanted to end the bombing of Serbia, which is a war crime and they know it, so they actually didn't win the war despite all the propoganda you see. We have to thank our brave and professional Serbian army for this, because they repelled all ground attacks from the KLA terrorists (and their western war criminal advisors), and none of the numerous attempts to enter Serb territory on the ground were successful.
Second point, Serbia doesn't have to do anything you or outsiders say. We can wait. Things are changing, and they are changing to Serbia's favour. Our enemies are getting weaker and more indebted, and our friends are gettings stronger, day by day. Kosovo is unsustainable to the west, and we know it. It is a black hole where money disappears and there are no jobs. Without Serbia providing jobs for the albanians there, like we did in the past, they will remain miserable and unemployed. So we will let Kosovo sink further, and we will watch the EU borrow more money from China to waste on their soldiers there, until they hit a wall and can't pay their soldiers any more.
At the same time Serbia will prosper, grow, and be merry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z3P2_q7fzM
Cheers!!

@Bulgar of Ohrid,

there is as much logic in your post, as there is in your nick-name.
(observer, 12 November 2011 14:48)

Your wrong, i'm of Bulgarian ethnicity and my family is from Ohrid.. hence highly logical.. Don't you agree? maybe you should change your name to Observer without facts or knowledge?

This is the problem with k-alb, assuming, one sided thinking, greed, besa.. this is why we have the curreny problem in Kosovo.. the K-alb side is given a finger and wants to take the arm... you people are very difficult to live with.. hence the whole point of my comment makes perfect logic.. but it hurts you because you want more than what you are entitled too..

Regards
Proud Bulgar of Ohrid

“Serbia needs to decide which road it wants to take. You cannot be with the EU and at the same time with Russia, China and whoever,” Busek pointed out. "

Methinks the EU is looking less and less attractive as the days go by with all their financial woes ..... especially since it was just reported that the best that they could offer newbies now is some low class EU membership (read: economic and political slavery to Berlin, Paris and London) ..... and even then they wanna extract an arm and a leg just for the "privilege" of "candidate status" to that low class membership ....... seems to me at least the cash rich Chinese are able to offer mutually economic arrangments with no strings attached -- other than not recognizing Taiwan of course, which should be a piece of cake for Belgrade .... dunno about the Russians but given their huge reserves of mineral resources that both Serbia and the-now-not-so-rich-but-still-mineral-resource-poor EU need -- well, it doesn't take much to point out Busek's apparent assumption that the West holds all the economic cards that are absolutely to die for.

"Serbia needs to decide which road it wants to take. You cannot be with the EU and at the same time with Russia, China and whoever,” Busek pointed out"
what has this "arian" eaten? they freed a russian crimnal - ex Alpha CO- within hours and turned back lithuanians` justified request for extradition - because they all suck the russian gas, like their neighbours - german "arians". like molotov and ribbentrop, putin and schröder go hand in hand...the ones are national socialists and other just socialist or was that way around... in the end they all are chauvinists, and albos are their stooges

darn - albanians in serbia are exactly like russian colonists in NE of Estonia brought in IOT change the demographics (Tito`s goal obviously was the same - to sell parts of Serbia to neighbour), they behave the same and complain the same

No partition of Kosovo, otherwise that means a new war imediately.
(drini., 12 November 2011 20:09)

Here we go, typical ALbanian response.. more war..

Well yeah ok.. you and whos army? is going be the battle of the KLA vs the serbian grandmothers League of Kosovo..

Admit it.... the real meaning of war for Albanians means the murdering of innocent civillians old and young...

And a question to the Albanians.. why does loosing northern Kosovo mean so much to you guys? its 95% Serbs.. who cares?

Please explain why is it feasible for Northern Serbs to be apart of Pristhina? is it so you guys can kick them out eventually and take over the land? me think so...

You guys are unstable..

No partition of Kosovo, otherwise that means a new war imediately.

@Bulgar of Ohrid its up to the kosovo goverment what to do and not yours or this guy in this propaganda news feed

of course - no war, but KiM MUST be returned to her lawful owners - Serbs. War - albos would be running again like cowards - and believe - NATO will not help you - there are more urgent things coming up than to defend muslim criminals and supremacists. even ICJ ruled only that albos, or who else, can declare what ever they want - but it never ruled that albos were entitled to independece in KiM. for sure not on the basis of human rights "abuses" cause u albos have failed in that field like some arab countries. remember the rule - former "victims" should not turn oppressors, but that is clearly the story in KiM.
Standards before status!!! that was the principle western idiots sold for albo-maffia money...

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18)

LOL and you'll get neither. You're doing nothing to control the first and you have no business claiming the second. Be happy the civilized world gave you the current borders of Albania in 1912. Left you your own devices you wouldn't even have Shkoder or Gjirokaster :)

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18) what are you talking about did you know in the preshovo valley that your not a majority any more but in the the city and you had 60,000 in that part of serbia and now you have 35,000 so keep dreaming there and in sandzak they are 50-50 and they are just converted serbs any way well most of them and they are not looking to seperate so keep dreaming albanian but how about the 35% none albanian population in albania and how part of albania is macedonian lands

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=parts%20of%20macedonia%20in%20albania&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.historyofmacedonia.org%2FMacedonianMinorities%2FMacedonianMinorityinAlbania.html&ei=Kg6_TsS1EKOC2AWm_NmQBQ&usg=AFQjCNEwVcwFGPJTmmn3tAd7D1XwuVtB-A

Everyone who has his eyes open can see the following:

- Kosovo (as it is now) will never be part of Serbia again
- Kosovo (as it is now) is far from an independent and international recognized state
- Albanians in Kosovo consider Serbs as 2nd class citizens (like it has been for the Albanians under Milosevic dictatorship)
- Serbs in the north will never agree to live under the rule of the Pristina corrupt government

So: Partition is a logical step, both sides have to reach a mutual agreement about this topic, and the remaining Kosovo must be recognized by Serbia (then all other countries will follow) and Kosovo becomes a normal state. Of course it's up to the international powers to push both sides to this solution, because neither side is ready or willing for this step.

@Bulgar of Ohrid. What I’m saying is that the principle of not changing the border in Balkans is not our request, but West Powers request. They are afraid of Pandora Box effect. I agree with their approach. And if all nation of Balkans aspire for EU integration and this with happen for 10 years this borders has no importance. So we are spending our energy for nothing. What I’m saying is that till that day we can work for the prosperity of each one country with the borders as they are today. Let’s be this period of competition between our States which one will prosper more and which one will create more positive environment for the respective minorities. So Serbia and Northern Serbs of Kosova accept the fact that they are minority in Kosova and let’s wait all if Kosova state will know to respect and give all minorities right to them. Without accepting this you can not test the capacity of Kosova for the treatment of minorities.
(dori tirana, 14 November 2011 10:24)

The capacity of Kosova has already been tested 12 years running, instead of putting out the hand to the Serb, they the Albanians have done a better job of ethnic cleansing than anywhere else in post wwii europe. This is why Kosovo south of the ibar is %98 Albanian, there are more muslims in Republic of Srpska.. Additionally how many Albanians in Kosova are in jail for the murder of Serbs and other non Albanians? ZERO.. the so called Kosovans have been tested and have failed miserably..

And for Pandoras box, if you look at history, war and ethnic grievences are settled when economies fail, countries go bankrupt... there is nothing for the west to worry about. There will be war, its natural.. the so called pandoras box will explode one way or the other.. whether in the Balkans, or in the EU in 50 years time lashing out ethnic minorities.. Look at the rise of nationalism in the last century? same situation,whether it be the Austrian/Hungarian, Ottoman Empire or NAZI Germany.. Poverty gave rise to nationalism.. My friend history will always repeat itself.. sad but the truth.. we are far from age of supreme stability...

1)I'm not for war,
2)I'm not serb, but what is happening to the Serbs in North Kosovo is wrong, they were never asked if they wanted to be apart of the Kosova experiment, they are entitled to be apart of Serbia.. Imagine you were living in Southern Albania where there is a greek minority, then greece took over for what ever reason, and then you found yourself living in greece.. how would you feel? its absurd and absolute colonial like implementation of rule..
3)We are very aware of the Albanian project... we understand what the Albanians are trying to do..

As for the original comment about giving Kosova ago, that would have worked if you guys put the past behind.. but the thing about you guys, clinging on to the illyrian thing, revenge killing.. feeling sorry for yourselves, this is our land, slavs dont deserve to be here ect ect, you did this to us mentality.. this is the crap we constantly hear from the ALbs, this small minded mentality is embedded in your culture.. this is what makes life living with Albanians impossible..

Take Skopje for example, they found some ancient churches which they wanted to make a museum of, mind you these churches were built way before islams arrival in the Balkans.. the Albs lost the plot, held protests, beat up the gaurds and trashed the place... and in the end the Albanians argued if a church was built then a mosque should be built..and you expect others to live with Albanians?

Just forget about it... North Western Macedonia looks like afganistan with there super sized mosques, with extra sized minarets which look like the slightest gust of wind would blow them over..

Lets face it, its a hostile take over by islamist Albanians... this is a battle that started +600 years ago.. I dont see Christian Albanians building massive churches everywhere.. As for the Serbs, are they wrong for not wanting to live under Islamic rule, after all they have 500 years of experience.. it didnt work then and wont work now, this is why the Serbs in Bosnia fought so bitterly against there islamic counterparts... and the same applies for the northern kosovo serbs...

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18)
========================

You will ask and get exactly what your masters want.
For the one advocating war, are you sure you are capable of fighting this war alone?
You have NEVER won anything on your own. Be careful what you wish for, you may just get it.

Ohrid "Come on Internet Illyrian warriors". This albo is not Illirian, they com from Sicily in Drach (March 1043) with George Maniaces.

Bulgar of Ohrid and Dragan I offer you another drink. So your prediction with be more accurate.
Cheers!

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
A

When did albanians become the representatvies of the sandzak bosnjaks?

"I am dying to know who was the translator of 1244 Resolution from English to Serbian language. You must be reading your own version, but anything written in original language it counts. There is no word about Serbia in that resolution.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 November 2011 08:41)"

1244 referred to the FRY (comprising Serbia and Montenegro). When FRY changed its name to Serbia & Montenegro (S&M) around 2003, 1244 then became applied to S&M until 2006 when Montenegro declared independence. Under the terms of the split brokered by the EU, Serbia became the successor state to S&M and, by extension, the predecessor FRY. You may recall that because Serbia succeeded FRY, it inherited FRY's UN seat whereas Montenegro had to apply for UN membership as an entirely new state. So 1244 does apply to Serbia.

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18)

There is a slight problem with that. Firstly, Belgrade will reject that out of hand and second, you have the Bosniaks to contend with who hate you lot with a passion. If you walked down the centre of Novi Pazar shouting "Sandxhak eshte Kosove" you would last about one minute before you end up getting arrested for breach of the peace and getting a firm boot in the arse for your troubles.

"However it would be up to Belgrade to move in and restore rule of law in the north at enormous expense and effort.
The north would lose their special status and any international funding directed to them as a minority region."
(pss, 13 November 2011 01:18)

It wouldn't be a problem to restore the 'rule of law' for Belgrade. The 'violation of laws' Pristina claims is primarily smuggling (fuel, cigrattes and food, btw - not the drug smuggling common in southern Kosovo - nobody seems to care about that, which is understandable if you have in mind that the Albanian drug mafia clans are related to the politicians). You could call it 'importing goods' from Serbia, too. If northern Kosovo would be a part of Serbia, these 'crimes' would be baseless.

Everybody knows that the north is mostly funded by Serbia, the western donor money for Kosovo is primarily spent in the South for building fancy (and unneeded/oversized) roads to Albania (some of them build by construction companies related to some minister).

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18)

Dude you didnt read my first post..

What? ottomanised Serbs are now Albanians?

Ahh how the Albs have fond memories of Ottoman rule, where they ran riot, raped and pillaged non muslims under the protection of the Ottomans.. Now they have NATO and loving it..

Lets face it, dillusional.. Dont feel sorry for yourselves, you have no right to do so..

I am dying to know who was the translator of 1244 Resolution from English to Serbian language. You must be reading your own version, but anything written in original language it counts. There is no word about Serbia in that resolution.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 November 2011 08:41)

Serbia is recognised as the sucessor state to FRY so 1244 applies.

Nice try, but no cigar.

the prince of serbs gave his daughter to sulltan to be his 30th wife, you stopt Gjergj Kastrioti (skanderbeg)to go and help hungerians
(Tonin, 13 November 2011 15:23) who did you fight lol you ran to serbs and you are not illyrian nor is skanderbeg albanian like you think but we all know who albanians really are ,not balkans you are a gypsy form of peoples from the areas of azerbajan not from there but in the area and you were chaes out from the peoples ,so you ran away from there and moved in italy and they chased you out and so on the turks beat you and converted you albanians and the serbs ans greeks and bulgars and ow germany and america are using you so where is this albanian toughness lol

"Serbia needs to decide which road it wants to take.You can not be with the EU and at the same time with Russia,China and whoever" Why not? Mr Busek is terribly miss-inform.Russia and China are friendly Nations they are engaged in no hostilities anywhere.Just recently EU asked China for
monetary assistance.Serbia should not be in any hurry to join bankrupt
enterprise.At some pint EU will split along the lines of have and have not.To avoid this unwelcome event Russia should join in and help with their wast resources.In such union, from my perspective,European Continent will be set for conflict free prosperity for every member State.

Please explain why is it feasible for Northern Serbs to be apart of Pristhina?

You guys are unstable..
(Bulgar of Ohrid, 12 November 2011 22:49)

(+1000)
That's the question I keep asking them...

(Dragan, 12 November 2011 21:04)

I am dying to know who was the translator of 1244 Resolution from English to Serbian language. You must be reading your own version, but anything written in original language it counts. There is no word about Serbia in that resolution.

Analyst, 12 November 2011 17:37)
For a pro Serb poster you do have a grip on reality. But reality also includes the big demon--balkan pride. You know the thing that says "it is better to lose everything than have the other side win anything"
The Serbs do not really want Kosovo, they just do not want the Albanians to have it.
And the Albanians don't really want the north(never really had it) but they don't want the Serbs to have it.

The problem is I don't think the Serbs in the north really want to live under Serbia control either. They have grown to like their rebel status. They have balked at UNMIK control, EULEX control, and Albanian control, always claiming allegiance to Serbia. Serbia has fueled that discontent with money and rhetoric to not cooperate with the leaders of Kosovo.
What would make the most people happy would be for there to be a functional not actual partition of north Kosovo, this way.

Pristina gets to claim they have retained all of Kosovo,
North gets to have their own control over the area and pretty much ignore Pristina and no actual commitment to Belgrade either.
Belgrade gets to continue to be a thorn in the side of Pristina by exerting their influence in the north.
An actual partition would actually be the best for Pristina because pride would be bruised but they could move forward instead of being stagnated.
However it would be up to Belgrade to move in and restore rule of law in the north at enormous expense and effort.
The north would lose their special status and any international funding directed to them as a minority region.

nor is skanderbeg albanian like you think
tommy, 13 November 2011 18:46)
Tommy I’m sure that Serbs like you nor has read books in their life, but I’m sure that they has never visit Roma where is Piazza di Albania dedicated to Albanian National Hero Scanderbeg, has never visit Wien where is the sword of Scanderbeg and other Metropols of the World where is the Statuary of Scanderbeg, but finally I’m sure you have never been to Belgrade. Thanks to God that is invented the Movie that Mother Teresa says with her mouth that is Albanian, cause even for here is made to many rumor is Albanian or not! So please don’t tell here in B92 stories that you have heard in the club near your home.

Doron Tirana

We know you want to change the borders, though alone you can even take on macedonia on its own.. remember what happen in Aricanavo? Operation storm? Just so i refresh ur memory as to who is in charge in macedonia?

As for sandzak being part of the kosovo vilayet, whats that got to with the price of fish in china?

Are admitting ur Turkish?

Second point, Serbia doesn't have to do anything you or outsiders say. We can wait. Things are changing, and they are changing to Serbia's favour. Our enemies are getting weaker and more indebted, and our friends are gettings stronger, day by day.
(Dragan, 12 November 2011 21:04)

Indeed, things are changing. But if they change in Serbia's favour, I have some serious doubts about, for example northern Kosovo.

I am dying to know who was the translator of 1244 Resolution from English to Serbian language. You must be reading your own version, but anything written in original language it counts. There is no word about Serbia in that resolution.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 November 2011 08:41)
Actually 1244 does mention Serbia, and technically Serbia is the successor state of FRY at least in the UN seat. That is not the issue, but someone has told the SErbs that 1244 guarantees that Kosovo will always be part of Serbia. That is the issue, it does not, states very unequivocally that the future status is to be determined. So the argument of whether or not Serbia is the successor of FRY is totally irrelevant in regards to 1244. It does say that both Serb and FRY forces are to leave Kosovo and only a few (agreed number per Kfor) can ever return to Kosovo.
"Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status,"
It could not have been written any better. But notice it does not say anywhere that this political process must be approved by Serbia.

Peggy when we fought the turks and defeated them for 35 years straight,(the bigest power at the time)
the prince of serbs gave his daughter to sulltan to be his 30th wife, you stopt Gjergj Kastrioti (skanderbeg)to go and help hungerians

Djedo I’m curious only this book for Geroge Maniaces is published in Serbia for Albanian and Illyrian. Anyway our origin from Ilirian is not our problem first, cause only Serbs don’t agree with this. Even Greeks that you quote accept this. We debate with Greeks for Epir was it Illyrian or Helen?
Second, we don’t use as argument for Kosova our Illyrian origin, cause if we do so not only Kosova but all Serbia is Albania. From Illyrian time to many water has flowed. What we are asking and we get is legally known as Autonomous Province of Kosova during Yugoslavia time. This is only one part of Vilayet of Kosova that was Albanian before Conference of London 1913.Sandzak was part of Vilayet of Kosova. This is the logic that some Albanian put here Sandzak. So the partition of Vilayet of Kosova is done and second me you have got undeserved part. This is all. You try to change the majority in Kosova and Vojvodina during Yugoslavia wars. You haded success in Vojvodina and loose in Kosova. So is the life one tim you loose one time you win. Finally I as Albanian agree with the change of borders if all Albanians of Balkans have one state, in this case will not change only the borders of Kosova, but Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece, maybe even Bulgarian and Hungarian have minorities in their neighbors.

Pegi I'll give you some facts,Albanian language the one that i speak is the oldest in Europe, if you read some different books, then Serbian it will help you, i herd that Serbs com from Iran you so many thinks the same,
All those old Greek names and gods that no one can explain, any Albanian can tell you the meaning of them, i don't need to read any book to explain them, how is that possible, Adriatic sea, jonian sea, lake of skutari,this are Albanian names, i could go on all day, so please talk some truth, don't make up lies, thank you.

@Bulgar of Ohrid. What I’m saying is that the principle of not changing the border in Balkans is not our request, but West Powers request. They are afraid of Pandora Box effect. I agree with their approach. And if all nation of Balkans aspire for EU integration and this with happen for 10 years this borders has no importance. So we are spending our energy for nothing. What I’m saying is that till that day we can work for the prosperity of each one country with the borders as they are today. Let’s be this period of competition between our States which one will prosper more and which one will create more positive environment for the respective minorities. So Serbia and Northern Serbs of Kosova accept the fact that they are minority in Kosova and let’s wait all if Kosova state will know to respect and give all minorities right to them. Without accepting this you can not test the capacity of Kosova for the treatment of minorities.

@Bulgar of Ohrid its up to the kosovo goverment what to do and not yours or this guy in this propaganda news feed

Finally! thank god someone with logic!

I like it, its time to move on

1) South of the Ibar stays under NATO/pristina rule.
2) North Kosovo stays within Serbia

Now now to all the Albanians, I'll answer your question before you start ranting on about Presevo Valley.

1) There are 60 000 Albanians living in Presevo Valley and around 60 000 Serbs remain south of the Ibar hence leave it as it is, if not some how swap the southern serbs lands for presevo valley?

There you have it folkes, happily ever after, life goes on and both the Serbs and Albanians can move on...

Additionally!!! the answer to the other question for Albanians.. MACEDONIA? THE ANSWER IS NO!!!!!!!

1)The Albanians cant take care of 50 000 serbs in a radius of 1000sqkm e.g northern kosovo, hence 28000sqkm and 1.5 million Macedonians is a heck of alot, it aint going to happen.. you can try as hard as you want..

Please understand, that south of the Ibar is more than what the Albanians should be given too...

With a GDP of 11.9 billion, and 34% of that is foreign aid.. well you do the math...

Come on Internet Illyrian warriors.... lets keep it real..

Russia and China are rich with money and resources, are growing economically, and are defending Serbia's interest. This is a no brainer. Bye bye EU!
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 12 November 2011 15:14)

Following Serbian definition of independence I thought that independent country only is a guarantee for its interest. What you're saying to Busek is: Mr. Busek we are not your slaves. We would rather choose Russians and Chinese as our masters.

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.

@Bulgar of Ohrid,

there is as much logic in your post, as there is in your nick-name.

“Serbia needs to decide which road it wants to take. You cannot be with the EU and at the same time with Russia, China and whoever,” Busek pointed out.
More threats and ultimatums from this Austrian. They never learn, do they? Busek, we are not your slaves like the Croats and Muslims, we are free and independent people. You should know that from history. Take your EU and shove it where the sun don't shine. You have shown by your actions, you and the Germans in particular, that you are true enemies of Serbia. You are both bankrupt morally and financially. Russia and China are rich with money and resources, are growing economically, and are defending Serbia's interest. This is a no brainer. Bye bye EU!
Cheers!!

No partition of Kosovo, otherwise that means a new war imediately.

"Serbia needs to decide which road it wants to take. You cannot be with the EU and at the same time with Russia, China and whoever,” Busek pointed out"
what has this "arian" eaten? they freed a russian crimnal - ex Alpha CO- within hours and turned back lithuanians` justified request for extradition - because they all suck the russian gas, like their neighbours - german "arians". like molotov and ribbentrop, putin and schröder go hand in hand...the ones are national socialists and other just socialist or was that way around... in the end they all are chauvinists, and albos are their stooges

darn - albanians in serbia are exactly like russian colonists in NE of Estonia brought in IOT change the demographics (Tito`s goal obviously was the same - to sell parts of Serbia to neighbour), they behave the same and complain the same

Everyone who has his eyes open can see the following:

- Kosovo (as it is now) will never be part of Serbia again
- Kosovo (as it is now) is far from an independent and international recognized state
- Albanians in Kosovo consider Serbs as 2nd class citizens (like it has been for the Albanians under Milosevic dictatorship)
- Serbs in the north will never agree to live under the rule of the Pristina corrupt government

So: Partition is a logical step, both sides have to reach a mutual agreement about this topic, and the remaining Kosovo must be recognized by Serbia (then all other countries will follow) and Kosovo becomes a normal state. Of course it's up to the international powers to push both sides to this solution, because neither side is ready or willing for this step.

So: Partition is a logical step, both sides have to reach a mutual agreement about this topic, and the remaining Kosovo must be recognized by Serbia (then all other countries will follow) and Kosovo becomes a normal state. Of course it's up to the international powers to push both sides to this solution, because neither side is ready or willing for this step.
(Analyst, 12 November 2011 17:37)

First, Kosovo is part of Serbia, and will never become a normal 'state'. If NATO wanted it to be a normal 'state', they never should have signed on to UN resolution 1244, which guarantees that Kosovo is Serbia. NATO didn't want to send in ground troops, and badly wanted to end the bombing of Serbia, which is a war crime and they know it, so they actually didn't win the war despite all the propoganda you see. We have to thank our brave and professional Serbian army for this, because they repelled all ground attacks from the KLA terrorists (and their western war criminal advisors), and none of the numerous attempts to enter Serb territory on the ground were successful.
Second point, Serbia doesn't have to do anything you or outsiders say. We can wait. Things are changing, and they are changing to Serbia's favour. Our enemies are getting weaker and more indebted, and our friends are gettings stronger, day by day. Kosovo is unsustainable to the west, and we know it. It is a black hole where money disappears and there are no jobs. Without Serbia providing jobs for the albanians there, like we did in the past, they will remain miserable and unemployed. So we will let Kosovo sink further, and we will watch the EU borrow more money from China to waste on their soldiers there, until they hit a wall and can't pay their soldiers any more.
At the same time Serbia will prosper, grow, and be merry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z3P2_q7fzM
Cheers!!

No partition of Kosovo, otherwise that means a new war imediately.
(drini., 12 November 2011 20:09)

Here we go, typical ALbanian response.. more war..

Well yeah ok.. you and whos army? is going be the battle of the KLA vs the serbian grandmothers League of Kosovo..

Admit it.... the real meaning of war for Albanians means the murdering of innocent civillians old and young...

And a question to the Albanians.. why does loosing northern Kosovo mean so much to you guys? its 95% Serbs.. who cares?

Please explain why is it feasible for Northern Serbs to be apart of Pristhina? is it so you guys can kick them out eventually and take over the land? me think so...

You guys are unstable..

“Serbia needs to decide which road it wants to take. You cannot be with the EU and at the same time with Russia, China and whoever,” Busek pointed out. "

Methinks the EU is looking less and less attractive as the days go by with all their financial woes ..... especially since it was just reported that the best that they could offer newbies now is some low class EU membership (read: economic and political slavery to Berlin, Paris and London) ..... and even then they wanna extract an arm and a leg just for the "privilege" of "candidate status" to that low class membership ....... seems to me at least the cash rich Chinese are able to offer mutually economic arrangments with no strings attached -- other than not recognizing Taiwan of course, which should be a piece of cake for Belgrade .... dunno about the Russians but given their huge reserves of mineral resources that both Serbia and the-now-not-so-rich-but-still-mineral-resource-poor EU need -- well, it doesn't take much to point out Busek's apparent assumption that the West holds all the economic cards that are absolutely to die for.

of course - no war, but KiM MUST be returned to her lawful owners - Serbs. War - albos would be running again like cowards - and believe - NATO will not help you - there are more urgent things coming up than to defend muslim criminals and supremacists. even ICJ ruled only that albos, or who else, can declare what ever they want - but it never ruled that albos were entitled to independece in KiM. for sure not on the basis of human rights "abuses" cause u albos have failed in that field like some arab countries. remember the rule - former "victims" should not turn oppressors, but that is clearly the story in KiM.
Standards before status!!! that was the principle western idiots sold for albo-maffia money...

@Bulgar of Ohrid,

there is as much logic in your post, as there is in your nick-name.
(observer, 12 November 2011 14:48)

Your wrong, i'm of Bulgarian ethnicity and my family is from Ohrid.. hence highly logical.. Don't you agree? maybe you should change your name to Observer without facts or knowledge?

This is the problem with k-alb, assuming, one sided thinking, greed, besa.. this is why we have the curreny problem in Kosovo.. the K-alb side is given a finger and wants to take the arm... you people are very difficult to live with.. hence the whole point of my comment makes perfect logic.. but it hurts you because you want more than what you are entitled too..

Regards
Proud Bulgar of Ohrid

Peggy when we fought the turks and defeated them for 35 years straight,(the bigest power at the time)
the prince of serbs gave his daughter to sulltan to be his 30th wife, you stopt Gjergj Kastrioti (skanderbeg)to go and help hungerians

(Dragan, 12 November 2011 21:04)

I am dying to know who was the translator of 1244 Resolution from English to Serbian language. You must be reading your own version, but anything written in original language it counts. There is no word about Serbia in that resolution.

Djedo I’m curious only this book for Geroge Maniaces is published in Serbia for Albanian and Illyrian. Anyway our origin from Ilirian is not our problem first, cause only Serbs don’t agree with this. Even Greeks that you quote accept this. We debate with Greeks for Epir was it Illyrian or Helen?
Second, we don’t use as argument for Kosova our Illyrian origin, cause if we do so not only Kosova but all Serbia is Albania. From Illyrian time to many water has flowed. What we are asking and we get is legally known as Autonomous Province of Kosova during Yugoslavia time. This is only one part of Vilayet of Kosova that was Albanian before Conference of London 1913.Sandzak was part of Vilayet of Kosova. This is the logic that some Albanian put here Sandzak. So the partition of Vilayet of Kosova is done and second me you have got undeserved part. This is all. You try to change the majority in Kosova and Vojvodina during Yugoslavia wars. You haded success in Vojvodina and loose in Kosova. So is the life one tim you loose one time you win. Finally I as Albanian agree with the change of borders if all Albanians of Balkans have one state, in this case will not change only the borders of Kosova, but Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece, maybe even Bulgarian and Hungarian have minorities in their neighbors.

I am dying to know who was the translator of 1244 Resolution from English to Serbian language. You must be reading your own version, but anything written in original language it counts. There is no word about Serbia in that resolution.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 November 2011 08:41)
Actually 1244 does mention Serbia, and technically Serbia is the successor state of FRY at least in the UN seat. That is not the issue, but someone has told the SErbs that 1244 guarantees that Kosovo will always be part of Serbia. That is the issue, it does not, states very unequivocally that the future status is to be determined. So the argument of whether or not Serbia is the successor of FRY is totally irrelevant in regards to 1244. It does say that both Serb and FRY forces are to leave Kosovo and only a few (agreed number per Kfor) can ever return to Kosovo.
"Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status,"
It could not have been written any better. But notice it does not say anywhere that this political process must be approved by Serbia.

nor is skanderbeg albanian like you think
tommy, 13 November 2011 18:46)
Tommy I’m sure that Serbs like you nor has read books in their life, but I’m sure that they has never visit Roma where is Piazza di Albania dedicated to Albanian National Hero Scanderbeg, has never visit Wien where is the sword of Scanderbeg and other Metropols of the World where is the Statuary of Scanderbeg, but finally I’m sure you have never been to Belgrade. Thanks to God that is invented the Movie that Mother Teresa says with her mouth that is Albanian, cause even for here is made to many rumor is Albanian or not! So please don’t tell here in B92 stories that you have heard in the club near your home.

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18)

Dude you didnt read my first post..

What? ottomanised Serbs are now Albanians?

Ahh how the Albs have fond memories of Ottoman rule, where they ran riot, raped and pillaged non muslims under the protection of the Ottomans.. Now they have NATO and loving it..

Lets face it, dillusional.. Dont feel sorry for yourselves, you have no right to do so..

Bulgar of Ohrid and Dragan I offer you another drink. So your prediction with be more accurate.
Cheers!

@Bulgar of Ohrid. What I’m saying is that the principle of not changing the border in Balkans is not our request, but West Powers request. They are afraid of Pandora Box effect. I agree with their approach. And if all nation of Balkans aspire for EU integration and this with happen for 10 years this borders has no importance. So we are spending our energy for nothing. What I’m saying is that till that day we can work for the prosperity of each one country with the borders as they are today. Let’s be this period of competition between our States which one will prosper more and which one will create more positive environment for the respective minorities. So Serbia and Northern Serbs of Kosova accept the fact that they are minority in Kosova and let’s wait all if Kosova state will know to respect and give all minorities right to them. Without accepting this you can not test the capacity of Kosova for the treatment of minorities.

Analyst, 12 November 2011 17:37)
For a pro Serb poster you do have a grip on reality. But reality also includes the big demon--balkan pride. You know the thing that says "it is better to lose everything than have the other side win anything"
The Serbs do not really want Kosovo, they just do not want the Albanians to have it.
And the Albanians don't really want the north(never really had it) but they don't want the Serbs to have it.

The problem is I don't think the Serbs in the north really want to live under Serbia control either. They have grown to like their rebel status. They have balked at UNMIK control, EULEX control, and Albanian control, always claiming allegiance to Serbia. Serbia has fueled that discontent with money and rhetoric to not cooperate with the leaders of Kosovo.
What would make the most people happy would be for there to be a functional not actual partition of north Kosovo, this way.

Pristina gets to claim they have retained all of Kosovo,
North gets to have their own control over the area and pretty much ignore Pristina and no actual commitment to Belgrade either.
Belgrade gets to continue to be a thorn in the side of Pristina by exerting their influence in the north.
An actual partition would actually be the best for Pristina because pride would be bruised but they could move forward instead of being stagnated.
However it would be up to Belgrade to move in and restore rule of law in the north at enormous expense and effort.
The north would lose their special status and any international funding directed to them as a minority region.

"Serbia needs to decide which road it wants to take.You can not be with the EU and at the same time with Russia,China and whoever" Why not? Mr Busek is terribly miss-inform.Russia and China are friendly Nations they are engaged in no hostilities anywhere.Just recently EU asked China for
monetary assistance.Serbia should not be in any hurry to join bankrupt
enterprise.At some pint EU will split along the lines of have and have not.To avoid this unwelcome event Russia should join in and help with their wast resources.In such union, from my perspective,European Continent will be set for conflict free prosperity for every member State.

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
A

When did albanians become the representatvies of the sandzak bosnjaks?

Second point, Serbia doesn't have to do anything you or outsiders say. We can wait. Things are changing, and they are changing to Serbia's favour. Our enemies are getting weaker and more indebted, and our friends are gettings stronger, day by day.
(Dragan, 12 November 2011 21:04)

Indeed, things are changing. But if they change in Serbia's favour, I have some serious doubts about, for example northern Kosovo.

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18)
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You will ask and get exactly what your masters want.
For the one advocating war, are you sure you are capable of fighting this war alone?
You have NEVER won anything on your own. Be careful what you wish for, you may just get it.

Ohrid "Come on Internet Illyrian warriors". This albo is not Illirian, they com from Sicily in Drach (March 1043) with George Maniaces.

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18)

LOL and you'll get neither. You're doing nothing to control the first and you have no business claiming the second. Be happy the civilized world gave you the current borders of Albania in 1912. Left you your own devices you wouldn't even have Shkoder or Gjirokaster :)

the prince of serbs gave his daughter to sulltan to be his 30th wife, you stopt Gjergj Kastrioti (skanderbeg)to go and help hungerians
(Tonin, 13 November 2011 15:23) who did you fight lol you ran to serbs and you are not illyrian nor is skanderbeg albanian like you think but we all know who albanians really are ,not balkans you are a gypsy form of peoples from the areas of azerbajan not from there but in the area and you were chaes out from the peoples ,so you ran away from there and moved in italy and they chased you out and so on the turks beat you and converted you albanians and the serbs ans greeks and bulgars and ow germany and america are using you so where is this albanian toughness lol

Pegi I'll give you some facts,Albanian language the one that i speak is the oldest in Europe, if you read some different books, then Serbian it will help you, i herd that Serbs com from Iran you so many thinks the same,
All those old Greek names and gods that no one can explain, any Albanian can tell you the meaning of them, i don't need to read any book to explain them, how is that possible, Adriatic sea, jonian sea, lake of skutari,this are Albanian names, i could go on all day, so please talk some truth, don't make up lies, thank you.

@Bulgar of Ohrid. What I’m saying is that the principle of not changing the border in Balkans is not our request, but West Powers request. They are afraid of Pandora Box effect. I agree with their approach. And if all nation of Balkans aspire for EU integration and this with happen for 10 years this borders has no importance. So we are spending our energy for nothing. What I’m saying is that till that day we can work for the prosperity of each one country with the borders as they are today. Let’s be this period of competition between our States which one will prosper more and which one will create more positive environment for the respective minorities. So Serbia and Northern Serbs of Kosova accept the fact that they are minority in Kosova and let’s wait all if Kosova state will know to respect and give all minorities right to them. Without accepting this you can not test the capacity of Kosova for the treatment of minorities.
(dori tirana, 14 November 2011 10:24)

The capacity of Kosova has already been tested 12 years running, instead of putting out the hand to the Serb, they the Albanians have done a better job of ethnic cleansing than anywhere else in post wwii europe. This is why Kosovo south of the ibar is %98 Albanian, there are more muslims in Republic of Srpska.. Additionally how many Albanians in Kosova are in jail for the murder of Serbs and other non Albanians? ZERO.. the so called Kosovans have been tested and have failed miserably..

And for Pandoras box, if you look at history, war and ethnic grievences are settled when economies fail, countries go bankrupt... there is nothing for the west to worry about. There will be war, its natural.. the so called pandoras box will explode one way or the other.. whether in the Balkans, or in the EU in 50 years time lashing out ethnic minorities.. Look at the rise of nationalism in the last century? same situation,whether it be the Austrian/Hungarian, Ottoman Empire or NAZI Germany.. Poverty gave rise to nationalism.. My friend history will always repeat itself.. sad but the truth.. we are far from age of supreme stability...

1)I'm not for war,
2)I'm not serb, but what is happening to the Serbs in North Kosovo is wrong, they were never asked if they wanted to be apart of the Kosova experiment, they are entitled to be apart of Serbia.. Imagine you were living in Southern Albania where there is a greek minority, then greece took over for what ever reason, and then you found yourself living in greece.. how would you feel? its absurd and absolute colonial like implementation of rule..
3)We are very aware of the Albanian project... we understand what the Albanians are trying to do..

As for the original comment about giving Kosova ago, that would have worked if you guys put the past behind.. but the thing about you guys, clinging on to the illyrian thing, revenge killing.. feeling sorry for yourselves, this is our land, slavs dont deserve to be here ect ect, you did this to us mentality.. this is the crap we constantly hear from the ALbs, this small minded mentality is embedded in your culture.. this is what makes life living with Albanians impossible..

Take Skopje for example, they found some ancient churches which they wanted to make a museum of, mind you these churches were built way before islams arrival in the Balkans.. the Albs lost the plot, held protests, beat up the gaurds and trashed the place... and in the end the Albanians argued if a church was built then a mosque should be built..and you expect others to live with Albanians?

Just forget about it... North Western Macedonia looks like afganistan with there super sized mosques, with extra sized minarets which look like the slightest gust of wind would blow them over..

Lets face it, its a hostile take over by islamist Albanians... this is a battle that started +600 years ago.. I dont see Christian Albanians building massive churches everywhere.. As for the Serbs, are they wrong for not wanting to live under Islamic rule, after all they have 500 years of experience.. it didnt work then and wont work now, this is why the Serbs in Bosnia fought so bitterly against there islamic counterparts... and the same applies for the northern kosovo serbs...

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18) what are you talking about did you know in the preshovo valley that your not a majority any more but in the the city and you had 60,000 in that part of serbia and now you have 35,000 so keep dreaming there and in sandzak they are 50-50 and they are just converted serbs any way well most of them and they are not looking to seperate so keep dreaming albanian but how about the 35% none albanian population in albania and how part of albania is macedonian lands

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=parts%20of%20macedonia%20in%20albania&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.historyofmacedonia.org%2FMacedonianMinorities%2FMacedonianMinorityinAlbania.html&ei=Kg6_TsS1EKOC2AWm_NmQBQ&usg=AFQjCNEwVcwFGPJTmmn3tAd7D1XwuVtB-A

"I am dying to know who was the translator of 1244 Resolution from English to Serbian language. You must be reading your own version, but anything written in original language it counts. There is no word about Serbia in that resolution.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 November 2011 08:41)"

1244 referred to the FRY (comprising Serbia and Montenegro). When FRY changed its name to Serbia & Montenegro (S&M) around 2003, 1244 then became applied to S&M until 2006 when Montenegro declared independence. Under the terms of the split brokered by the EU, Serbia became the successor state to S&M and, by extension, the predecessor FRY. You may recall that because Serbia succeeded FRY, it inherited FRY's UN seat whereas Montenegro had to apply for UN membership as an entirely new state. So 1244 does apply to Serbia.

I am dying to know who was the translator of 1244 Resolution from English to Serbian language. You must be reading your own version, but anything written in original language it counts. There is no word about Serbia in that resolution.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 November 2011 08:41)

Serbia is recognised as the sucessor state to FRY so 1244 applies.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Kosovars will ask for Presheva Valley and Sandzak in return.
(A, 12 November 2011 22:18)

There is a slight problem with that. Firstly, Belgrade will reject that out of hand and second, you have the Bosniaks to contend with who hate you lot with a passion. If you walked down the centre of Novi Pazar shouting "Sandxhak eshte Kosove" you would last about one minute before you end up getting arrested for breach of the peace and getting a firm boot in the arse for your troubles.

"However it would be up to Belgrade to move in and restore rule of law in the north at enormous expense and effort.
The north would lose their special status and any international funding directed to them as a minority region."
(pss, 13 November 2011 01:18)

It wouldn't be a problem to restore the 'rule of law' for Belgrade. The 'violation of laws' Pristina claims is primarily smuggling (fuel, cigrattes and food, btw - not the drug smuggling common in southern Kosovo - nobody seems to care about that, which is understandable if you have in mind that the Albanian drug mafia clans are related to the politicians). You could call it 'importing goods' from Serbia, too. If northern Kosovo would be a part of Serbia, these 'crimes' would be baseless.

Everybody knows that the north is mostly funded by Serbia, the western donor money for Kosovo is primarily spent in the South for building fancy (and unneeded/oversized) roads to Albania (some of them build by construction companies related to some minister).

Please explain why is it feasible for Northern Serbs to be apart of Pristhina?

You guys are unstable..
(Bulgar of Ohrid, 12 November 2011 22:49)

(+1000)
That's the question I keep asking them...

Doron Tirana

We know you want to change the borders, though alone you can even take on macedonia on its own.. remember what happen in Aricanavo? Operation storm? Just so i refresh ur memory as to who is in charge in macedonia?

As for sandzak being part of the kosovo vilayet, whats that got to with the price of fish in china?

Are admitting ur Turkish?