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Wednesday, 09.11.2011.

09:16

KFOR takes over barricade in northern Kosovo

Situation is currently peaceful at the Jarinje administrative crossing where KFOR troops took over a barricade early on Wednesday.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.
(sj, 11 November 2011 10:41)

I don't need to read a newspaper... I'm reading you :) When you say that a high bonds rate means that the country needs a bail out I trust you. How can I question you that are the light of these forums.

The only thing I did was to apply YOUR methodology to the bond rates of different countries and according to YOUR methodology the BRICS are next in the chopping block, very much ahead of France and US, because the BRICS pay much higher bond rates.

What can I do about it ? Not apply your methodology which we all agree is brilliant as everything you write in these forums ?!

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 11 November 2011 15:20)

Yes I thought so; you do live in the us. Where do I start? The cold war started in 1945 until 1989 and just as much as the Russians were telling their people about the immoral and evil west, something similar was occruing in the US.
But the big difference was that the US had money and in that way gave its people a very good standard of living. That was then and today we are in 2011 and how the world has changed.
The current serbain government are all in the pay of the US/EU and they are promosing wealth and happiness for ever if they stay true to the west, but think for a moment just what has the west done for the standard of lving in Kosovo? No factories, no industries opened – nothing. What is the west’s answer, negotiations with Serbia to open up the borders so that Albasnians can look for work.
If you think that the US is looking after your Albanians then good luck mate because you are so blind that its incredible. It is a fact that the BRIC countires are the up and coming power – even the US and EU agree. The Serbs were bombed by the US so why not try the Russians, at least they never attacked our people.
What about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, hmmmmmmmmmmmm? What do you think that was all about?????? Or attacking Libya to save its people?????? Or this new campaign against Iran??????? Does this mean the US never lies??????
100% of what I have said about the western financial situation has come to fruition – buy a paper and read it. I said the US was on its last legs and that came to light since 2007; I said the EU was unsustainable as it stood and now we are going through crises after crises, but as the SS Titanic sinks Albanians like you can’t see it changing anything. Regardless of what happens from now on the situation has changed forever especially with the EU asking the BRIC cou tries to invest inot its Euro bonds to help start a 1 billion Euro fighting fund – hello they are asking Russia!!!!!!

pss

pre 12 godina

I’d rather eat scraps from the Russians table than be handed BS on a silver platter and told its prime beef. You people are so brainwashed with this business of Russia being the evil one it just incredible.
(sj, 11 November 2011 02:11)
I grew up during the cold war. We were told that Russia was our biggest enemy and their goal was to take away the American way of life. But when I hit teenage and early adulthood I began to examine and question. We were told everything Russia said was propaganda, but I thought what if everything I am told is propaganda and Russia is not so bad. Cld war ended and ther seemed to be more in common between the 2 than differences.
However Kosovo changed that for me. While in Kosovo I read everything I could and I would read the news and stories coming out of Russia and stand there and say this is not true. I can see with my own eyes. I remember reading one Russian article of the Pristine mansions covering the countryside of Kosovo owned by Albanians and the materials were stolen from the deoapidated houses of Serbs.
It was then that the light bulb came on, what I had been told was not lies. Russia is willing to say or do anything to get their points. Everything I have read since has reinforced this, especially their support for Serbia.
Enjoy those scraps as they will be the most expensive scraps anyone has ever gotten, you may beg but you will pay heavily for every single scrap that is tssed your way. If you cannot see it after the big energy deal Russia gave Serbia, then you deserve what is going to happen to you.
If there is no more money in the west, why is Serbia putting on fresh lipstick everytime a western diplomat bends over?
Why can you not get your message across to anyone? Read your past posts with an open mind and I don't think even you would believe what you write.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.
(sj, 11 November 2011 10:41)

This exactly tells me that you are just an unemployed ordinary serb. You don't get paid to "enlighten" anyone. I understand you're tired.

sj

pre 12 godina

(icj1, 11 November 2011 05:16)

Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. (sj, 10 November 2011 12:21)

Pardonne-moi, but if 7% means that a bail out is needed, then one of the BRICS countries, India, at 9%, is much more in need of a bailout.

In addition, the rest of the BRICS, Russia at 6%, Brazil at 4% and China at 3.7% appear to be next on the chopping block, very much ahead of France at 3.2% or US at 2%.

This leaves me a little bit perplexed because I thought the BRICS are the future and everybody is rushing to immigrate to the BRICS, whereas according to sj's methodology of the country's bond rates, BRICS are on or next on the chopping block !

icj1

pre 12 godina

(mick, 10 November 2011 16:05)

Dear Mick, you are correct... Serbs lived in Kosovo very long before Albanians. The Illyrians story is just a fair tale and let's forget about it. The only questions I have is about who lived in Kosovo before the Serbs arrived there thousands of years ago ?

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 10 November 2011 15:30)

No the people in the US or EU are not going to disappear, but these two entities are no longer going to be a power on the world stage as they are going to find it hard to survive in the impending turmoil. In fact about 3 hours ago ben Bernanke told US marines stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas that the US cannot escape the financial consequences of Europe.

The UK has been printing money since 24 October to avoid a deepening of their crises. France is next on the list straight after Italy. The French are overly committed to the bailout of Greece and its going to pay for this dearly. Germany committed about 30 billion Euros towards Greece but in the case of Italy its over 130 billion Euros. Now do yes see why there is such concern now?

With all of this going on who cares who sits on the UNSC. Since in the past the US and its allies tended to “do their thing” without asking the UNSC why should the new powers seek UN approval? But here is an old proverb that was just as pertinent in 2011 as in 5000 BCE - the golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules.

Yes Russia was so broke not so long ago that it could not feed it people and Yeltsin had to beg and borrow money to stave off a disaster of epic proportions. Yeltsin had to do what ever the US told him and that is why he was liked by the west – in fact he was laughed at because the US saw itself as a conqueror.

No one could believe that Russia in such as short time ,16 years, could make such a turn around and that is due to Putin. This guy waited for the right time and kicked out foreign interests that were sucking the life out of Russia and the rest is history.

Look at Putin and then look at your so called Presidential candidates; one keeps on groping women and paying out for sexual harassment, another cant even remember which departments he wants to eliminate. The reason why they hate Putin is because the corporations can’t control him. But in the case of the US its one idiot after another. How Obama ever became President is amazing.

Putin’s return to be prime Minister has nothing to do with the economy.

If Serbia can get its way why not tag onto Russia as the Albanians have done so with the US. And what’s the problem with that? These are big powers and the small guy takes advantage when ever he can. I don’t see great benefits coming to the Albanians being aligned with the US – how many factories have they opened up in Kosovo?

“It is time to wake up and smell the coffee my friend, without western money it will no longer be a question of whether Serbia is the leader in the Balkans, it will become a northern Kosovo! Another black hole begging for scraps from the Russian table and they may or may not come.”

What part of my posts do you not understand? There is NO MORE MONEY for the west to hand out.

I’d rather eat scraps from the Russians table than be handed BS on a silver platter and told its prime beef. You people are so brainwashed with this business of Russia being the evil one it just incredible.

mick

pre 12 godina

@dori Tirana

In what country were albania and kosovo before the ottoman empire make a guess!

Furthermore just look at the place names in your country
pure albanian right!!! XD

Serbs are not a majority in Kosovo since 1878
as a consequence of the Russo-ottoman war in the previous year.

Romania/Serbia/Bulgaria got independent, also Russia liberated Macedonia and kosovo but the British gave it back to the Ottomans and they wanted revenge... so 200k Serbs left kosovo that same year!

Like I said most Serbs originate from kosovo even people who are now croats/Hungarians came from kosovo (since the great serbian migrations)

And finally Albania was Never a country before 1912
it was created to prevent Serbia access to the sea nothing more!
Look on old maps yo can see it as part of Serbia/Bulgaria/Byzantine/Ottoman/Roman/Macedonian/Goth/Venetian/Italian/Epir.


P.S.
The place names of Kosovo are also all Serbian

And don't come up with albanian illirian fantasy
Ill tell you illrians where just a name for serbs who lived there
now these people are Croats/Bosnjaks/Serbs/Montenegrins/hungarians/macedonians/slovens/albanians/greeks.

I say that because the building style of illirian forts and houses is the same as traditional Serbian ones, the clothing is the same and illirians wrote with Glagolitic script
says enough right!

pss

pre 12 godina

Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.
(sj, 10 November 2011 12:21)
In worse case scenario you think all the people in the US and EU are just going to disappear??? France, US and UK will always be a permanent member of the UNSC and still have the power there they always have. Russia was so bankrupt just 12 years ago they were not able to feed their troops. Predictions are that Putin returning to power is not going to be a plus for the Russian economy.
And I don't see how you think any of this is going to benefit Serbia, do you really think Russia sees you as equals. One of the benefits Serbia sees now is that Russia can use their leverage in the UNSC to block the US on matters that really do not play a global role. Should the scales tip as you say Russia will not need that pawn in the chess game and it becomes expendable.
It is time to wake up and smell the coffee my friend, without western money it will no longer be a question of whether Serbia is the leader in the balkans, it will become a northern Kosovo! Another black hole begging for scraps from the Russian table and they may or may not come.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 10 November 2011 03:54)

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. And there is no more money for the US.
Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 10 November 2011 03:54)

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. And there is no more money for the US.
Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted
(Nexh, 9 November 2011 19:38)

They have to block roads to defend their homes, while KFOR doesn't live in North Kosovo, they are strangers becoming occupants.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Balkan Anthropologist!

Even a child understand that you said this “Albanians don't come in large numbers until after 1690 when the sultan needs to repopulate the region after many Serbs leave”. How you translate repopulate?
Why doesn’t Sultan don’t bring Turks like in Greece, Bulgaria or Serbia but brings Albanian. The answer is simple he bring nobody there, cause Albanians was there. Anyway this is one of more sophisticated Colonialist lies of your story.
You still had your churches, but you paid taxes to Sultan and send soldier to Sultan to fight another Christians or Muslim who cares. This is your concept for freedom. I have my church but everything is owned by Occupier. Yes Albanians loose some churches but Albanians were freer than you during Ottoman Empire. Some areas of Albania didn’t pay anything to Sultan. Sorry do you know that Patriarch of Orthodox Greece Church has the center in Istanbul or Constantinople. The Patriarch drinks wine with Sultan and divided the Power of Empire and thinks how to clean the Catholic from Balkan. So don’t support to much at these theory we had our churches. Yes because this was the strategy of Sultan “divide et impera” Orthodox Serbs or Albanian versus Catholic Albanian or Muslim Albanian.
Anyway I congratulate you, because you don’t tell another stupid lie, of many Serbs here that poor Albanians comes during Hoxha time in wealthy Yugoslavia. As a see you know that Albania of Hoxha was High Security Prison, where nobody can enter and nobody can get out. Even for birds was difficult to get out of Albania of Hoxha.

Keep on the conversation, we will learn to much by each other.

icj1

pre 12 godina

"“It is not KFOR’s mandate to block the alternative roads and hermetically seal off this part of the province.” Nedeljković pointed out.

Well, Mr. Nedeljković forgets that resolution 1244 is still in force and UNMIK has decided in regulation 3 of 1999 that customs taxes have to collected for goods entering Kosovo. So, KFOR can't allow goods to pass in violation of resolution 1244 and UNMIK regulations.

pss

pre 12 godina

Let me enlighten you what is going on in Kosovo. The Russians are not in Nis to fight fires but to have ready access to a military base from which to protect their interests such as the South Stream pipeline and they are not about to leave the US there to pose any danger to their assets.

It is the Russians that have not allowed the Serbs to be over run by those forces of niceness and goodness and that is the way they want to keep it. For how long? It not known at this stage.

(sj, 9 November 2011 23:26)
Always the Paul Revere being the first to alert everyone, aren't you?
For your information, I don't think anyone was fooled with the "humanitarian" efforts of Russia. Only those who believe that a US missle shield in Northeast Europe is to protect Europe from Iran would believe Russia wants to build a fire management center.
Russia would be an idiot to invest in such a pipeline and depend on unstable Serbia to protect it. I think that it has entered their minds that it might be the Serbs it has to protect it from also. Already numerous posters here have made the threats of wait until the oil is flowing through the pipeline in Serbia and then they will have a noose around the neck of the EU. I am sure others have the same thoughts and Russia may in the future show who is in charge.
But do you really think that the base is there for Kosovo??? Plus just as NATO had to manage air space restrictions to fly into Kosovo so will russia have to should the EU sense hostilities and close the air space around Serbia.
As far as the US saying that Kosovo is a European issue. They have been saying that for at least 5 years but there have been no signs of pulling back.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

dori tirana, LOL slow down there :)

I never said Albanians made up a majority in Kosovo since 1690. I just said they were IN Kosovo by 1690. You're the one that jumped to the conclusion that they did. And if that's the case, I wonder what they were doing when Turks still controlled it and Serbs still had their churches :)

The rest of your post is an illogical ramble of things that I'm sure make you feel good but leave me wondering what they teach you in Tirana - if it wasn't controlled by Serbs, it must have been controlled by Albanians. Bravo dori. I'm sure this makes you a scholar in your community :)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted
(Nexh, 9 November 2011 19:38)

They set up another barricade right next the one that was dismantled. This has been going on for weeks now. You're kind of slow on this, aren't you? :)

sj

pre 12 godina

(Demi, 9 November 2011 13:59)

I am not talking about the past – that is history. I am talking about right now and the near future. I don’t have to hope for the collapse because its on its way; as one journalist brave enough to tell the truth said “removing Belasconi is like changing train drivers on a train that has not breaks nor means of stopping from hitting a brick wall”.

The number of people that have trouble seeing how deeply ingrained the western propaganda is in them is staggering to say the least. It’s “If the west falls then the rest of the world will be taken out by an asteroid”. The current regime in Belgrade are PAID to sing the praises of the EU and what is left but continue singing as for them their time is very limited and they know it. I saw something very similar just after the Soviet Union collapsed where communists kept on carrying on as if nothing had happened – passing resolutions, commending comrades for their socialist ideals, giving out medals etc.

It’s called denial. People committed suicide over that collapse as they could not come to terms of what was going on around them.

At best the assessment for 2012 is that the west is going into another recession, as if they left the last one. There is no more money to spend as its all gone and that only leaves printing of money as the UK and US are doing now.

Life in the west will get even harder than most imagine as there will either be severe budget cuts to everything you can name or you will end up with taking a wheel barrow full of paper money to buy a loaf of bread. Regardless of which path is taken it all leads the eventual collapse of the EU because no one is prepared to take the necessary measures to reverse the situation.

In fact the IMF issued a plea for more money from the BRICs to deal with the impending crises. None of the scenarios is any good for an independent Kosovo. What most of you Albanians can’t understand is that Kosovo is unsustainable i.e. it cannot stand on its own two feet financially and nor can a unification with Albanian help out. In fact it would do the exact opposite as Albania does not have the money to deal with that situation.

If the EU cuts its budget then it certainly is not going to maintain its aid commitment to Kosovo. Which ever way you look at it you lose.

Let me enlighten you what is going on in Kosovo. The Russians are not in Nis to fight fires but to have ready access to a military base from which to protect their interests such as the South Stream pipeline and they are not about to leave the US there to pose any danger to their assets.

It is the Russians that have not allowed the Serbs to be over run by those forces of niceness and goodness and that is the way they want to keep it. For how long? It not known at this stage.

The US has already started to talk about “Kosovo being a European problem” and they should leave it to them. The vast majority of EU countries really don’t care about Kosovo or the Albanians, so to them if they get certain human rights guarantees they will turn their back on your lot.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Lets see NATO intervined after months and months of talks and 4 UNSC resolutions trying to halt the slaughter of people,
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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The question is who slaughtered whom in Kosovo? You only know that Milosevic slaughtered poor Albanians for no reason whatsoever and as a real maniac just couldn't stop. Do you know that the KLA slaughtered Serbs and those of their fellow Albanians whom it considered traitors?

BTW Russia tried to convince Milosevic to withdrow his troops from Kosovo, but he answered that if he did so Kosovo Serbs would have to leave Kosovo.

He did withdrow his troops from some territories in Kosovo in autumn 1998, but those territoties were immediately occupied by the KLA.
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true it had no mandate but the UNSC then placed it in charge of security for Kosovo and to complete the expulsion of Serbian forces and prevent their return, which pretty much amounts to a post action endorsement.
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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UNSC gave the mandate because it was clear that if it didn't give mandate NATO would do whatever it wanted without any permission. I think that it was a UNSC mistake to give a mandate to NATO.
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You are talking of Russia intervining against UN mandated forces to prevent the removal of gravel and trees from roads.
I can see where in your mind that is the same.
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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I am talking about withdrowal of KFOR's mandate in order to prevent Kosovo Albanian occupation of Kosovo North. Kosovo Serbs (the owners of their land where they and their ancestors have been living for centures) are asking for it.

Right now China and Russia can't do it, because they are not strong enough yet and even if they try, NATO could do their "job" without any mandate, but maybe it will happen in the future.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Thanks Balkan Anthropologist!
Now I’ll make recalculation with the data you supply to me Kosova from 1690 is overpopulated from Albanians. From this date second you Kosova never has the majority Serbian. Now I declare Kosova an Albanian region for the last 321 years and ruled by Serbian regime for 82 years. Source Balkan Anthroplogist. Do we agree? I make another concession. The Orthodox church of Kosova is affiliated to Serbian church. If you now the true role of church is not to justify the borders between countries but is a bridge between God and the peoples. The Orthodox that live in Kosova are free to go in the churches as the Muslim that live in Kosova are free to go to Mosque. Your mentality is worst than a radical muslim. Religion has nothing to do with statehood or nation. Only radical muslim mix religion with state and nation like you.
I don’t consider the collaboration with Nazi a good page of history for the KAlbanians, but I’m not afraid to tell the truth even I don’t like it. But to be fair I’m not sure which one is better Regime for Kosova Serbian or Nazi. This is your problem as I see here. The time of Colonies is finished. The time that Serbs dream for Kosova is finished. You had a bonus of 82 years and didn’t know to manage it.
As for Hoxha if was not him Kosova should be from WWII Albanian. If you don’t know Kosova is liberated from Albanian partisans not from Tito.

amusing

pre 12 godina

True! It should be like in south Kosovo: 115% of the population voted for Thaci in some tribal areas. So about 57,500 out of the 50,000 Serbs should barricade roads, correct? :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 November 2011 18:06)
Or when Serbia staged the "peaceful" protest in Belgrade after the Kosovo UDI and it was televised world wide, with news agencies saying 50,000 people had gathered and then the Serbian newscaster came on the screen and said over 2 million were present.

Echo!

pre 12 godina

Very brave occupiers against unarmed Serbs they must really feel proud. Bunch of sick cowards! Go home yankees
(Ratko, 9 November 2011 15:36)

KFOR just gave your a lesson for your "Arbajt, Arbajt" shouting and your laughing (actually it's written "Arbeit, Arbeit"). Now, you dislike the echo? Typical..

a New Day

pre 12 godina

NATO bombed Serbia without any mandate from the UNSC and didn't care about any law.
(aaayyy, 9 November 2011 15:31)
Lets see NATO intervined after months and months of talks and 4 UNSC resolutions trying to halt the slaughter of people, true it had no mandate but the UNSC then placed it in charge of security for Kosovo and to complete the expulsion of Serbian forces and prevent their return, which pretty much amounts to a post action endorsement.

You are talking of Russia intervining against UN mandated forces to prevent the removal of gravel and trees from roads.
I can see where in your mind that is the same.

mick

pre 12 godina

Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.
(think again, 9 November 2011 14:11)

The problem in this is that most of that people in Kosovo came from albania for a better future to live in yugoslavia.
And when you became larger then the autochthonous you demanded independence? And many Serbs /roma/turks/muslims/croats left for a better place!

Lets say this: all of you from Kosovo who are immigrants from Albania should go back?
And Serbs and roma of Kosovo come back in Kosovo?
lets see who is a majority then!

Lenard

pre 12 godina

I see that your Croats are very concerned that they are joining a bankrupt EU because they are promising the people that once in the EU their debts would be paid – best laugh I had for days when I heard it on HTV, Dnevnik.
Oh Leanrd you forgot your rant about Srpska.
(sj, 9 November 2011 12:06) sj that is a good one that their debts would be paid you got to be a total moron to believe that one. But instead a world tax will be imposed very soon and no one will be exempt from paying it. To pay for the borrow as much as you can for tomorrow we will be all very rich wishful thinking imbeciles pathetic dead beat losers. Thanks for reminding me of a imaginary "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia pogroms. That will do in Serbia and Serbs well on their self inflicted destructive delusional path here is some good music to go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4oNp9iAnRI&feature=related Serbs not very smooth.

Nexh

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"It is a few hundred serbs who barricade roads when northern Kosovo contain 50 000 serbs. It shows how much support this people have from the local population. "
(Demi, 9 November 2011 12:17)

True! It should be like in south Kosovo: 115% of the population voted for Thaci in some tribal areas. So about 57,500 out of the 50,000 Serbs should barricade roads, correct? :)

Milan

pre 12 godina

Looks like american kfor commander was having some fun with his toy soldiers . Someone should tell him those are real people if he care at all.

grobar1

pre 12 godina

tadic you disgust me. to let these people do this to your own people.you are pathetic.you and your sell-out's should be proud of yourselves.I can't wait for the day when these bankrupt Americans leave kosovo then we will see ......be strong my Serbian brothers and sisters our time will come. pozdrav iz cikaga

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Once again KFOR takes over a barricade only to have Serbs set up another one. And what results? Bad relations between Serbs who want to cooperate and KFOR soldiers who seem to have no rhyme or reason to what they do other than try to work up a sweat.

1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.
1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.
1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian
1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian
1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.
1999-2008 Under International Administration
2008- till now independent
Summary in the last 621 years Kosova 539 years ruled by Others and 82 years ruled by Serbs. Always majority Albanian. Now find by yourself if Kosova is more Albanian or Serb.
Conclusion USA 300 years old, Kosova ruled by others 583, with the help of USA 11 years
(dori tirana, 9 November 2011 14:44)

Oh good God. This is what passes as history in your country? Let's reexamine this, shall we?

1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.

Vuk Brankovic survives the battle and continues to rule from Novo Brdo. Albanians don't come in in large numbers unitil after 1690 when the sultan needs to repopulate the region after many Serbs leave, and even still the Serbian Orthodox Church continues to operate under autonomous rule until the 1750s when it goes back under the Greeks. If there was local rule, it wasn't by you people.

1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.

I don't ever recall Pasic giving you people local self rule.

1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian

Wow. You actually consider Nazi occupation and collaboration a good thing for you?

1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian

Aleksander Rankovic basically ruled Kosovo like his own property under Tito until 1966. How could you forget that?

1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.

And your point on demographics? Ok, you guys had "parallel institutions" that needed to be stamped out in the name of reestablishing "law and order" of the state.

1999-2008 Under International Administration

UNMIK, NATO, KFOR, basaically anyone but you. I'm starting to see a pattern :)

2008- till now independent

Despite still having its leadership selected and defended by Christopher Dell, the CIA, and key EU powers. How independent can it be when it needs approval from everyone else?

And dori tirana, I think I need to de-Hoxhafy your timeline. Albanians didn't come into Kosovo in large numbers until after 1690 when the sultan needed to repopulate the area after large numbers of Serbs left - even though the Serbian Orthodox Church still functioned there autonomously until the 1750s before going back to the Greeks.

And it's not wise to consider Nazi occupation as a good thing for your people. Collaboration, particularly with Nazis, is never regarded as noble by the rest of the world. Pretty sad that the times you can point to "Kosova" being under your control was when it was sort of given to you by external occupying powers :)

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo.-Demi

Hello Demi,

Are you implying that those Serbs kidnapped and chopped up were gangsters and so on!None of them were criminals but sure enough those who decided their destiny, (Thaci and followers) were, are and will continue to be criminals, organ traffickers, baby smugglers etc.

The rest will live peacefully in Kosovo! Not under K. Alb. rule!..Never will happen.....we tried to live with albos.! but you ended up biting the hand that feeds you (the rest of Yugoslav republics had been feeding little k. albos ever since Tito came to power in 1945! Serbs will never let you gt away with stealing their land, and murdering their people!
Timber Wolf

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Without some mandate from the UNSC like NATO has, any military intervention would be a definite violation of every intl law imaginable.

(a New Day, 9 November 2011 14:02)

NATO bombed Serbia without any mandate from the UNSC and didn't care about any law.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

No one in Kosovo or Prishtina is worried since the plan of the goverment of Kosovo will be implemented in northern part of the territory. Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo. Nothing more and nothing less! The majority in northern Kosovo wants peace and not barricades. That is why only a handful of serbs barricade roads and not thousand as it should be if they were backed up by the local population.
(Demi, 9 November 2011 13:59)

Demi,
Do you believe it would be easy for semi-state semi-I-Don't-know-what Kosovo to have that much of unloyal population? If you have any doubts concerning whom local population in Northern Kosovo support, just hold referendum there.

El Norte

pre 12 godina

Serbs will put up gravel and barricades yet again after KFOR pulls back and continue frozen conflict until so call Russian emergency centre is prove to be military base. Then Resolution 1244 becomes implemented but til then it will be more of such cat and mouse game between KFOR and EULEX vs Serbia and KPS will remain idle in background

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Oh no their days are not numbered by any means. There is a huge gorilla sitting in the proverbial lounge room that the west does not like to talk about and it is just that entity that will not let the Serbs be ruled.
I love these Albanians as soon as the US crawls from under its rock for a few seconds they start to rejoice.
I am amazed that people like you are even talking g about the EU. What EU? Its well on its way to total disintegration and if Italy goes belly up as it will then the US can kiss its backside because they are gone forever. Don’t you people read anything except comic books?
(sj, 9 November 2011 13:00)
That big ole Gorilla has been taken to the taxidermist years ago, it looks fierce and has a snarl on its face but it is not moving. Why?
1. Your leaders that want into the EU are not going to wage war against it.
2. Russia has said "it cannot be more Serbian than Serbia"
3. Your Serbian govt has come to realize that they have no more control over the Serbs in north Kosovo than Pristina does.
4. Without some mandate from the UNSC like NATO has, any military intervention would be a definite violation of every intl law imaginable.
5. Just like eventhough NATO wanted to intervene in Georgia they knew it was in the middle of Russia's domain, Kosovo and Serbia are right in the middle of EU, Russia is not going to launch a military operation being surrounded on all sides.
6. Serbia would have no alternatives but to be Russia's whipping boy for the next 100 years as all aid fromt the west would be cut off and Serbia knows which hand its food is actually coming from.

think again

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'
Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'
Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.
(think again, 9 November 2011 14:11)

????? It's a news for everybody that Serbia has been trying to impose its institutions on Kosovo Albanians for the last 12 years.

Some type of partition of Kosovo isn't bright new proposal. Even Milosevic was said to agree to it.

But US/NATO told in Rambue (?sp) ultimatum and keep saying it now that Kosovo division is out of question.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

For you dear Serbs that believe that the Albanian keeps their hopes at USA support. A simple exercise to understand even they are not good at math.
1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.
1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.
1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian
1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian
1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.
1999-2008 Under International Administration
2008- till now independent
Summary in the last 621 years Kosova 539 years ruled by Others and 82 years ruled by Serbs. Always majority Albanian. Now find by yourself if Kosova is more Albanian or Serb.
Conclusion USA 300 years old, Kosova ruled by others 583, with the help of USA 11 years

beeee

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'

What is this this 'dont want it'? your empty wishes have been and will be falling in the fools bin.

sj

pre 12 godina

(Demi, 9 November 2011 12:17)

Oh no their days are not numbered by any means. There is a huge gorilla sitting in the proverbial lounge room that the west does not like to talk about and it is just that entity that will not let the Serbs be ruled.
I love these Albanians as soon as the US crawls from under its rock for a few seconds they start to rejoice.
I am amazed that people like you are even talking g about the EU. What EU? Its well on its way to total disintegration and if Italy goes belly up as it will then the US can kiss its backside because they are gone forever. Don’t you people read anything except comic books?

Demi

pre 12 godina

sj, 9 November 2011 13:00)

You radical serbs hope that EU will collapse. It's a delusion. Do you maybee hope that the world will also collapse ? Nothing of the options will make Kosovo serbian anyway!

If EU is on it's way to collapse then why do you belive that the goverment in belgrade are doing all they can to get the candidate status ?? Even giving up on Kosovo and the serbs in northern Kosovo ??

The game is over and the borders will not change. This was not allowed to the albanians in western Macedonia in 2001 despite that the situation was far worse than the one in northern Kosovo today. The serbs in the north will realise soon that their struggle for somthing impossible is nothing but impossible since they have no backing from anybody. Neither belgrade or Prishtina but not either EU or US.

No one in Kosovo or Prishtina is worried since the plan of the goverment of Kosovo will be implemented in northern part of the territory. Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo. Nothing more and nothing less! The majority in northern Kosovo wants peace and not barricades. That is why only a handful of serbs barricade roads and not thousand as it should be if they were backed up by the local population.

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 12 godina

Typical American and NATO cowards, they show who they really are.....They wouldn't dream of trying it on with the Russians or the Chinese because they know they'd get more than a bloody nose, no they pick on the smaller guy who they know can't hit back for now, but that will not last forever. I've said it before and say it again, the USA is falling apart from the inside and so is the EU. Thier own people have had enough of thier war mongering and corrupt governments and sooner or later they will not be able to afford to send a boy scout to Serbian Kosovo let alone a soldier. All the Serbian people have to do is be patient as they have been in past history, they will have thier day again. They always have prevailed and they will do so again. NATO is just another organization trying to build another illegal empire and it will fail as all the rest have done in the past. The current Serbian government are a bunch of US puppets and have no backbone whatsoever. The gangsters in Pristina may enjoy thier small moment but they will be sorry one day when there is no NATO or American military there to protect them. Mark these words well all you who don't believe that this will be so. One day these words will ring loud in your ears.

Demi

pre 12 godina

The days of those few serbs at the barricades are numbered. They know it too.

It is a few hundred serbs who barricade roads when northern Kosovo contain 50 000 serbs. It shows how much support this people have from the local population.

One thing you guys who comment here with your patriotic songs should know is that border will not change. After the election in Serbia things will be clear to you what Serbia will do to get EU membership. Kosovo independence will not vanish and Kosovo will not be a part of Serbia as you belive. Things have changed forever.

Serbia should be happy for the best historic compromise between serbs and albanians. The Ahtisaari Plan.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It is not a question of good will BUT purely for local Serbs to chew more than what they can stomach. Local Serbs want to show off who is in charge and are involved in a political issue rather than getting involved in local issue ie how to improve the lives of local Serbs....
(EA, 9 November 2011 11:02)

Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...

sj

pre 12 godina

Do the Serbs really think that they will be taken seriously after all their unlawful provocations. It is all heading to a showdown
(Lenard, 9 November 2011 09:48)

I’ll bet you that there is no showdown what so ever. Wishful thinking, mate and wishes don’t wash dishes.
I see that your Croats are very concerned that they are joining a bankrupt EU because they are promising the people that once in the EU their debts would be paid – best laugh I had for days when I heard it on HTV, Dnevnik.
Oh Leanrd you forgot your rant about Srpska.

EA

pre 12 godina

#KFOR had also betrayed the good will showed by the Serbs who allowed normal supplies and rotation of soldiers at the administrative crossing and the base in the town.#

It is not a question of good will BUT purely for local Serbs to chew more than what they can stomach. Local Serbs want to show off who is in charge and are involved in a political issue rather than getting involved in local issue ie how to improve the lives of local Serbs....

Milan

pre 12 godina

So much talk about free movement for all from KFOR commander . Now villagers of Jarinje are completely surrounded by barbwire .Maybe they will get food and supplies by helicopters from today.

Naser Buzhala

pre 12 godina

,He believes that KFOR troops used the tear gas to disperse the citizens who gathered at the Jarinje checkpoint without any reason'.

Which one is meant on you article:
1. FFOR troops used the tear gas without 'any reason'
2.The citizens who gathered at the Jarinje checkpoint without any reason.

What logic

pre 12 godina

"He told Beta news agency that KFOR had also betrayed the good will showed by the Serbs who allowed normal supplies and rotation of soldiers at the administrative crossing and the base in the town. "

I am a nice guy too, I always allow the cops to pass.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Does America want to hold up an Albanian Kosovo as their showcase of Multi Cultural European Democracy, because actions have consequences, and America’s Shame will become world known, as will that of the Albanians, if they are capable of feeling shame?

The United Nations has already passed the Six Point Plan for Kosovo, because they know that it is the only way to make a silk purse from a pig’s ear.

This is why Serbia should insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

If Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives are at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, then this will just be a reason to continue creating trouble; however, some Kosovo Albanians will never cease to create trouble while they have the backing of America and Europe.

However, the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on Equality Before The Law.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Once again KFOR takes over a barricade only to have Serbs set up another one. And what results? Bad relations between Serbs who want to cooperate and KFOR soldiers who seem to have no rhyme or reason to what they do other than try to work up a sweat.

1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.
1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.
1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian
1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian
1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.
1999-2008 Under International Administration
2008- till now independent
Summary in the last 621 years Kosova 539 years ruled by Others and 82 years ruled by Serbs. Always majority Albanian. Now find by yourself if Kosova is more Albanian or Serb.
Conclusion USA 300 years old, Kosova ruled by others 583, with the help of USA 11 years
(dori tirana, 9 November 2011 14:44)

Oh good God. This is what passes as history in your country? Let's reexamine this, shall we?

1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.

Vuk Brankovic survives the battle and continues to rule from Novo Brdo. Albanians don't come in in large numbers unitil after 1690 when the sultan needs to repopulate the region after many Serbs leave, and even still the Serbian Orthodox Church continues to operate under autonomous rule until the 1750s when it goes back under the Greeks. If there was local rule, it wasn't by you people.

1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.

I don't ever recall Pasic giving you people local self rule.

1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian

Wow. You actually consider Nazi occupation and collaboration a good thing for you?

1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian

Aleksander Rankovic basically ruled Kosovo like his own property under Tito until 1966. How could you forget that?

1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.

And your point on demographics? Ok, you guys had "parallel institutions" that needed to be stamped out in the name of reestablishing "law and order" of the state.

1999-2008 Under International Administration

UNMIK, NATO, KFOR, basaically anyone but you. I'm starting to see a pattern :)

2008- till now independent

Despite still having its leadership selected and defended by Christopher Dell, the CIA, and key EU powers. How independent can it be when it needs approval from everyone else?

And dori tirana, I think I need to de-Hoxhafy your timeline. Albanians didn't come into Kosovo in large numbers until after 1690 when the sultan needed to repopulate the area after large numbers of Serbs left - even though the Serbian Orthodox Church still functioned there autonomously until the 1750s before going back to the Greeks.

And it's not wise to consider Nazi occupation as a good thing for your people. Collaboration, particularly with Nazis, is never regarded as noble by the rest of the world. Pretty sad that the times you can point to "Kosova" being under your control was when it was sort of given to you by external occupying powers :)

sj

pre 12 godina

(Demi, 9 November 2011 12:17)

Oh no their days are not numbered by any means. There is a huge gorilla sitting in the proverbial lounge room that the west does not like to talk about and it is just that entity that will not let the Serbs be ruled.
I love these Albanians as soon as the US crawls from under its rock for a few seconds they start to rejoice.
I am amazed that people like you are even talking g about the EU. What EU? Its well on its way to total disintegration and if Italy goes belly up as it will then the US can kiss its backside because they are gone forever. Don’t you people read anything except comic books?

Milan

pre 12 godina

So much talk about free movement for all from KFOR commander . Now villagers of Jarinje are completely surrounded by barbwire .Maybe they will get food and supplies by helicopters from today.

sj

pre 12 godina

Do the Serbs really think that they will be taken seriously after all their unlawful provocations. It is all heading to a showdown
(Lenard, 9 November 2011 09:48)

I’ll bet you that there is no showdown what so ever. Wishful thinking, mate and wishes don’t wash dishes.
I see that your Croats are very concerned that they are joining a bankrupt EU because they are promising the people that once in the EU their debts would be paid – best laugh I had for days when I heard it on HTV, Dnevnik.
Oh Leanrd you forgot your rant about Srpska.

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 12 godina

Typical American and NATO cowards, they show who they really are.....They wouldn't dream of trying it on with the Russians or the Chinese because they know they'd get more than a bloody nose, no they pick on the smaller guy who they know can't hit back for now, but that will not last forever. I've said it before and say it again, the USA is falling apart from the inside and so is the EU. Thier own people have had enough of thier war mongering and corrupt governments and sooner or later they will not be able to afford to send a boy scout to Serbian Kosovo let alone a soldier. All the Serbian people have to do is be patient as they have been in past history, they will have thier day again. They always have prevailed and they will do so again. NATO is just another organization trying to build another illegal empire and it will fail as all the rest have done in the past. The current Serbian government are a bunch of US puppets and have no backbone whatsoever. The gangsters in Pristina may enjoy thier small moment but they will be sorry one day when there is no NATO or American military there to protect them. Mark these words well all you who don't believe that this will be so. One day these words will ring loud in your ears.

What logic

pre 12 godina

"He told Beta news agency that KFOR had also betrayed the good will showed by the Serbs who allowed normal supplies and rotation of soldiers at the administrative crossing and the base in the town. "

I am a nice guy too, I always allow the cops to pass.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It is not a question of good will BUT purely for local Serbs to chew more than what they can stomach. Local Serbs want to show off who is in charge and are involved in a political issue rather than getting involved in local issue ie how to improve the lives of local Serbs....
(EA, 9 November 2011 11:02)

Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...

Naser Buzhala

pre 12 godina

,He believes that KFOR troops used the tear gas to disperse the citizens who gathered at the Jarinje checkpoint without any reason'.

Which one is meant on you article:
1. FFOR troops used the tear gas without 'any reason'
2.The citizens who gathered at the Jarinje checkpoint without any reason.

EA

pre 12 godina

#KFOR had also betrayed the good will showed by the Serbs who allowed normal supplies and rotation of soldiers at the administrative crossing and the base in the town.#

It is not a question of good will BUT purely for local Serbs to chew more than what they can stomach. Local Serbs want to show off who is in charge and are involved in a political issue rather than getting involved in local issue ie how to improve the lives of local Serbs....

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Does America want to hold up an Albanian Kosovo as their showcase of Multi Cultural European Democracy, because actions have consequences, and America’s Shame will become world known, as will that of the Albanians, if they are capable of feeling shame?

The United Nations has already passed the Six Point Plan for Kosovo, because they know that it is the only way to make a silk purse from a pig’s ear.

This is why Serbia should insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

If Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives are at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, then this will just be a reason to continue creating trouble; however, some Kosovo Albanians will never cease to create trouble while they have the backing of America and Europe.

However, the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on Equality Before The Law.

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo.-Demi

Hello Demi,

Are you implying that those Serbs kidnapped and chopped up were gangsters and so on!None of them were criminals but sure enough those who decided their destiny, (Thaci and followers) were, are and will continue to be criminals, organ traffickers, baby smugglers etc.

The rest will live peacefully in Kosovo! Not under K. Alb. rule!..Never will happen.....we tried to live with albos.! but you ended up biting the hand that feeds you (the rest of Yugoslav republics had been feeding little k. albos ever since Tito came to power in 1945! Serbs will never let you gt away with stealing their land, and murdering their people!
Timber Wolf

Milan

pre 12 godina

Looks like american kfor commander was having some fun with his toy soldiers . Someone should tell him those are real people if he care at all.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

For you dear Serbs that believe that the Albanian keeps their hopes at USA support. A simple exercise to understand even they are not good at math.
1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.
1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.
1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian
1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian
1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.
1999-2008 Under International Administration
2008- till now independent
Summary in the last 621 years Kosova 539 years ruled by Others and 82 years ruled by Serbs. Always majority Albanian. Now find by yourself if Kosova is more Albanian or Serb.
Conclusion USA 300 years old, Kosova ruled by others 583, with the help of USA 11 years

grobar1

pre 12 godina

tadic you disgust me. to let these people do this to your own people.you are pathetic.you and your sell-out's should be proud of yourselves.I can't wait for the day when these bankrupt Americans leave kosovo then we will see ......be strong my Serbian brothers and sisters our time will come. pozdrav iz cikaga

Demi

pre 12 godina

The days of those few serbs at the barricades are numbered. They know it too.

It is a few hundred serbs who barricade roads when northern Kosovo contain 50 000 serbs. It shows how much support this people have from the local population.

One thing you guys who comment here with your patriotic songs should know is that border will not change. After the election in Serbia things will be clear to you what Serbia will do to get EU membership. Kosovo independence will not vanish and Kosovo will not be a part of Serbia as you belive. Things have changed forever.

Serbia should be happy for the best historic compromise between serbs and albanians. The Ahtisaari Plan.

think again

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'
Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Oh no their days are not numbered by any means. There is a huge gorilla sitting in the proverbial lounge room that the west does not like to talk about and it is just that entity that will not let the Serbs be ruled.
I love these Albanians as soon as the US crawls from under its rock for a few seconds they start to rejoice.
I am amazed that people like you are even talking g about the EU. What EU? Its well on its way to total disintegration and if Italy goes belly up as it will then the US can kiss its backside because they are gone forever. Don’t you people read anything except comic books?
(sj, 9 November 2011 13:00)
That big ole Gorilla has been taken to the taxidermist years ago, it looks fierce and has a snarl on its face but it is not moving. Why?
1. Your leaders that want into the EU are not going to wage war against it.
2. Russia has said "it cannot be more Serbian than Serbia"
3. Your Serbian govt has come to realize that they have no more control over the Serbs in north Kosovo than Pristina does.
4. Without some mandate from the UNSC like NATO has, any military intervention would be a definite violation of every intl law imaginable.
5. Just like eventhough NATO wanted to intervene in Georgia they knew it was in the middle of Russia's domain, Kosovo and Serbia are right in the middle of EU, Russia is not going to launch a military operation being surrounded on all sides.
6. Serbia would have no alternatives but to be Russia's whipping boy for the next 100 years as all aid fromt the west would be cut off and Serbia knows which hand its food is actually coming from.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Without some mandate from the UNSC like NATO has, any military intervention would be a definite violation of every intl law imaginable.

(a New Day, 9 November 2011 14:02)

NATO bombed Serbia without any mandate from the UNSC and didn't care about any law.

Demi

pre 12 godina

sj, 9 November 2011 13:00)

You radical serbs hope that EU will collapse. It's a delusion. Do you maybee hope that the world will also collapse ? Nothing of the options will make Kosovo serbian anyway!

If EU is on it's way to collapse then why do you belive that the goverment in belgrade are doing all they can to get the candidate status ?? Even giving up on Kosovo and the serbs in northern Kosovo ??

The game is over and the borders will not change. This was not allowed to the albanians in western Macedonia in 2001 despite that the situation was far worse than the one in northern Kosovo today. The serbs in the north will realise soon that their struggle for somthing impossible is nothing but impossible since they have no backing from anybody. Neither belgrade or Prishtina but not either EU or US.

No one in Kosovo or Prishtina is worried since the plan of the goverment of Kosovo will be implemented in northern part of the territory. Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo. Nothing more and nothing less! The majority in northern Kosovo wants peace and not barricades. That is why only a handful of serbs barricade roads and not thousand as it should be if they were backed up by the local population.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

No one in Kosovo or Prishtina is worried since the plan of the goverment of Kosovo will be implemented in northern part of the territory. Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo. Nothing more and nothing less! The majority in northern Kosovo wants peace and not barricades. That is why only a handful of serbs barricade roads and not thousand as it should be if they were backed up by the local population.
(Demi, 9 November 2011 13:59)

Demi,
Do you believe it would be easy for semi-state semi-I-Don't-know-what Kosovo to have that much of unloyal population? If you have any doubts concerning whom local population in Northern Kosovo support, just hold referendum there.

El Norte

pre 12 godina

Serbs will put up gravel and barricades yet again after KFOR pulls back and continue frozen conflict until so call Russian emergency centre is prove to be military base. Then Resolution 1244 becomes implemented but til then it will be more of such cat and mouse game between KFOR and EULEX vs Serbia and KPS will remain idle in background

beeee

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'

What is this this 'dont want it'? your empty wishes have been and will be falling in the fools bin.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"It is a few hundred serbs who barricade roads when northern Kosovo contain 50 000 serbs. It shows how much support this people have from the local population. "
(Demi, 9 November 2011 12:17)

True! It should be like in south Kosovo: 115% of the population voted for Thaci in some tribal areas. So about 57,500 out of the 50,000 Serbs should barricade roads, correct? :)

Lenard

pre 12 godina

I see that your Croats are very concerned that they are joining a bankrupt EU because they are promising the people that once in the EU their debts would be paid – best laugh I had for days when I heard it on HTV, Dnevnik.
Oh Leanrd you forgot your rant about Srpska.
(sj, 9 November 2011 12:06) sj that is a good one that their debts would be paid you got to be a total moron to believe that one. But instead a world tax will be imposed very soon and no one will be exempt from paying it. To pay for the borrow as much as you can for tomorrow we will be all very rich wishful thinking imbeciles pathetic dead beat losers. Thanks for reminding me of a imaginary "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia pogroms. That will do in Serbia and Serbs well on their self inflicted destructive delusional path here is some good music to go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4oNp9iAnRI&feature=related Serbs not very smooth.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted
(Nexh, 9 November 2011 19:38)

They set up another barricade right next the one that was dismantled. This has been going on for weeks now. You're kind of slow on this, aren't you? :)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'
Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.
(think again, 9 November 2011 14:11)

????? It's a news for everybody that Serbia has been trying to impose its institutions on Kosovo Albanians for the last 12 years.

Some type of partition of Kosovo isn't bright new proposal. Even Milosevic was said to agree to it.

But US/NATO told in Rambue (?sp) ultimatum and keep saying it now that Kosovo division is out of question.

mick

pre 12 godina

Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.
(think again, 9 November 2011 14:11)

The problem in this is that most of that people in Kosovo came from albania for a better future to live in yugoslavia.
And when you became larger then the autochthonous you demanded independence? And many Serbs /roma/turks/muslims/croats left for a better place!

Lets say this: all of you from Kosovo who are immigrants from Albania should go back?
And Serbs and roma of Kosovo come back in Kosovo?
lets see who is a majority then!

sj

pre 12 godina

(Demi, 9 November 2011 13:59)

I am not talking about the past – that is history. I am talking about right now and the near future. I don’t have to hope for the collapse because its on its way; as one journalist brave enough to tell the truth said “removing Belasconi is like changing train drivers on a train that has not breaks nor means of stopping from hitting a brick wall”.

The number of people that have trouble seeing how deeply ingrained the western propaganda is in them is staggering to say the least. It’s “If the west falls then the rest of the world will be taken out by an asteroid”. The current regime in Belgrade are PAID to sing the praises of the EU and what is left but continue singing as for them their time is very limited and they know it. I saw something very similar just after the Soviet Union collapsed where communists kept on carrying on as if nothing had happened – passing resolutions, commending comrades for their socialist ideals, giving out medals etc.

It’s called denial. People committed suicide over that collapse as they could not come to terms of what was going on around them.

At best the assessment for 2012 is that the west is going into another recession, as if they left the last one. There is no more money to spend as its all gone and that only leaves printing of money as the UK and US are doing now.

Life in the west will get even harder than most imagine as there will either be severe budget cuts to everything you can name or you will end up with taking a wheel barrow full of paper money to buy a loaf of bread. Regardless of which path is taken it all leads the eventual collapse of the EU because no one is prepared to take the necessary measures to reverse the situation.

In fact the IMF issued a plea for more money from the BRICs to deal with the impending crises. None of the scenarios is any good for an independent Kosovo. What most of you Albanians can’t understand is that Kosovo is unsustainable i.e. it cannot stand on its own two feet financially and nor can a unification with Albanian help out. In fact it would do the exact opposite as Albania does not have the money to deal with that situation.

If the EU cuts its budget then it certainly is not going to maintain its aid commitment to Kosovo. Which ever way you look at it you lose.

Let me enlighten you what is going on in Kosovo. The Russians are not in Nis to fight fires but to have ready access to a military base from which to protect their interests such as the South Stream pipeline and they are not about to leave the US there to pose any danger to their assets.

It is the Russians that have not allowed the Serbs to be over run by those forces of niceness and goodness and that is the way they want to keep it. For how long? It not known at this stage.

The US has already started to talk about “Kosovo being a European problem” and they should leave it to them. The vast majority of EU countries really don’t care about Kosovo or the Albanians, so to them if they get certain human rights guarantees they will turn their back on your lot.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

dori tirana, LOL slow down there :)

I never said Albanians made up a majority in Kosovo since 1690. I just said they were IN Kosovo by 1690. You're the one that jumped to the conclusion that they did. And if that's the case, I wonder what they were doing when Turks still controlled it and Serbs still had their churches :)

The rest of your post is an illogical ramble of things that I'm sure make you feel good but leave me wondering what they teach you in Tirana - if it wasn't controlled by Serbs, it must have been controlled by Albanians. Bravo dori. I'm sure this makes you a scholar in your community :)

Echo!

pre 12 godina

Very brave occupiers against unarmed Serbs they must really feel proud. Bunch of sick cowards! Go home yankees
(Ratko, 9 November 2011 15:36)

KFOR just gave your a lesson for your "Arbajt, Arbajt" shouting and your laughing (actually it's written "Arbeit, Arbeit"). Now, you dislike the echo? Typical..

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted
(Nexh, 9 November 2011 19:38)

They have to block roads to defend their homes, while KFOR doesn't live in North Kosovo, they are strangers becoming occupants.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 10 November 2011 03:54)

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. And there is no more money for the US.
Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Lets see NATO intervined after months and months of talks and 4 UNSC resolutions trying to halt the slaughter of people,
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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The question is who slaughtered whom in Kosovo? You only know that Milosevic slaughtered poor Albanians for no reason whatsoever and as a real maniac just couldn't stop. Do you know that the KLA slaughtered Serbs and those of their fellow Albanians whom it considered traitors?

BTW Russia tried to convince Milosevic to withdrow his troops from Kosovo, but he answered that if he did so Kosovo Serbs would have to leave Kosovo.

He did withdrow his troops from some territories in Kosovo in autumn 1998, but those territoties were immediately occupied by the KLA.
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true it had no mandate but the UNSC then placed it in charge of security for Kosovo and to complete the expulsion of Serbian forces and prevent their return, which pretty much amounts to a post action endorsement.
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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UNSC gave the mandate because it was clear that if it didn't give mandate NATO would do whatever it wanted without any permission. I think that it was a UNSC mistake to give a mandate to NATO.
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You are talking of Russia intervining against UN mandated forces to prevent the removal of gravel and trees from roads.
I can see where in your mind that is the same.
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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I am talking about withdrowal of KFOR's mandate in order to prevent Kosovo Albanian occupation of Kosovo North. Kosovo Serbs (the owners of their land where they and their ancestors have been living for centures) are asking for it.

Right now China and Russia can't do it, because they are not strong enough yet and even if they try, NATO could do their "job" without any mandate, but maybe it will happen in the future.

mick

pre 12 godina

@dori Tirana

In what country were albania and kosovo before the ottoman empire make a guess!

Furthermore just look at the place names in your country
pure albanian right!!! XD

Serbs are not a majority in Kosovo since 1878
as a consequence of the Russo-ottoman war in the previous year.

Romania/Serbia/Bulgaria got independent, also Russia liberated Macedonia and kosovo but the British gave it back to the Ottomans and they wanted revenge... so 200k Serbs left kosovo that same year!

Like I said most Serbs originate from kosovo even people who are now croats/Hungarians came from kosovo (since the great serbian migrations)

And finally Albania was Never a country before 1912
it was created to prevent Serbia access to the sea nothing more!
Look on old maps yo can see it as part of Serbia/Bulgaria/Byzantine/Ottoman/Roman/Macedonian/Goth/Venetian/Italian/Epir.


P.S.
The place names of Kosovo are also all Serbian

And don't come up with albanian illirian fantasy
Ill tell you illrians where just a name for serbs who lived there
now these people are Croats/Bosnjaks/Serbs/Montenegrins/hungarians/macedonians/slovens/albanians/greeks.

I say that because the building style of illirian forts and houses is the same as traditional Serbian ones, the clothing is the same and illirians wrote with Glagolitic script
says enough right!

Nexh

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 10 November 2011 03:54)

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. And there is no more money for the US.
Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 10 November 2011 15:30)

No the people in the US or EU are not going to disappear, but these two entities are no longer going to be a power on the world stage as they are going to find it hard to survive in the impending turmoil. In fact about 3 hours ago ben Bernanke told US marines stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas that the US cannot escape the financial consequences of Europe.

The UK has been printing money since 24 October to avoid a deepening of their crises. France is next on the list straight after Italy. The French are overly committed to the bailout of Greece and its going to pay for this dearly. Germany committed about 30 billion Euros towards Greece but in the case of Italy its over 130 billion Euros. Now do yes see why there is such concern now?

With all of this going on who cares who sits on the UNSC. Since in the past the US and its allies tended to “do their thing” without asking the UNSC why should the new powers seek UN approval? But here is an old proverb that was just as pertinent in 2011 as in 5000 BCE - the golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules.

Yes Russia was so broke not so long ago that it could not feed it people and Yeltsin had to beg and borrow money to stave off a disaster of epic proportions. Yeltsin had to do what ever the US told him and that is why he was liked by the west – in fact he was laughed at because the US saw itself as a conqueror.

No one could believe that Russia in such as short time ,16 years, could make such a turn around and that is due to Putin. This guy waited for the right time and kicked out foreign interests that were sucking the life out of Russia and the rest is history.

Look at Putin and then look at your so called Presidential candidates; one keeps on groping women and paying out for sexual harassment, another cant even remember which departments he wants to eliminate. The reason why they hate Putin is because the corporations can’t control him. But in the case of the US its one idiot after another. How Obama ever became President is amazing.

Putin’s return to be prime Minister has nothing to do with the economy.

If Serbia can get its way why not tag onto Russia as the Albanians have done so with the US. And what’s the problem with that? These are big powers and the small guy takes advantage when ever he can. I don’t see great benefits coming to the Albanians being aligned with the US – how many factories have they opened up in Kosovo?

“It is time to wake up and smell the coffee my friend, without western money it will no longer be a question of whether Serbia is the leader in the Balkans, it will become a northern Kosovo! Another black hole begging for scraps from the Russian table and they may or may not come.”

What part of my posts do you not understand? There is NO MORE MONEY for the west to hand out.

I’d rather eat scraps from the Russians table than be handed BS on a silver platter and told its prime beef. You people are so brainwashed with this business of Russia being the evil one it just incredible.

sj

pre 12 godina

(icj1, 11 November 2011 05:16)

Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

NATO bombed Serbia without any mandate from the UNSC and didn't care about any law.
(aaayyy, 9 November 2011 15:31)
Lets see NATO intervined after months and months of talks and 4 UNSC resolutions trying to halt the slaughter of people, true it had no mandate but the UNSC then placed it in charge of security for Kosovo and to complete the expulsion of Serbian forces and prevent their return, which pretty much amounts to a post action endorsement.

You are talking of Russia intervining against UN mandated forces to prevent the removal of gravel and trees from roads.
I can see where in your mind that is the same.

amusing

pre 12 godina

True! It should be like in south Kosovo: 115% of the population voted for Thaci in some tribal areas. So about 57,500 out of the 50,000 Serbs should barricade roads, correct? :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 November 2011 18:06)
Or when Serbia staged the "peaceful" protest in Belgrade after the Kosovo UDI and it was televised world wide, with news agencies saying 50,000 people had gathered and then the Serbian newscaster came on the screen and said over 2 million were present.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Thanks Balkan Anthropologist!
Now I’ll make recalculation with the data you supply to me Kosova from 1690 is overpopulated from Albanians. From this date second you Kosova never has the majority Serbian. Now I declare Kosova an Albanian region for the last 321 years and ruled by Serbian regime for 82 years. Source Balkan Anthroplogist. Do we agree? I make another concession. The Orthodox church of Kosova is affiliated to Serbian church. If you now the true role of church is not to justify the borders between countries but is a bridge between God and the peoples. The Orthodox that live in Kosova are free to go in the churches as the Muslim that live in Kosova are free to go to Mosque. Your mentality is worst than a radical muslim. Religion has nothing to do with statehood or nation. Only radical muslim mix religion with state and nation like you.
I don’t consider the collaboration with Nazi a good page of history for the KAlbanians, but I’m not afraid to tell the truth even I don’t like it. But to be fair I’m not sure which one is better Regime for Kosova Serbian or Nazi. This is your problem as I see here. The time of Colonies is finished. The time that Serbs dream for Kosova is finished. You had a bonus of 82 years and didn’t know to manage it.
As for Hoxha if was not him Kosova should be from WWII Albanian. If you don’t know Kosova is liberated from Albanian partisans not from Tito.

pss

pre 12 godina

Let me enlighten you what is going on in Kosovo. The Russians are not in Nis to fight fires but to have ready access to a military base from which to protect their interests such as the South Stream pipeline and they are not about to leave the US there to pose any danger to their assets.

It is the Russians that have not allowed the Serbs to be over run by those forces of niceness and goodness and that is the way they want to keep it. For how long? It not known at this stage.

(sj, 9 November 2011 23:26)
Always the Paul Revere being the first to alert everyone, aren't you?
For your information, I don't think anyone was fooled with the "humanitarian" efforts of Russia. Only those who believe that a US missle shield in Northeast Europe is to protect Europe from Iran would believe Russia wants to build a fire management center.
Russia would be an idiot to invest in such a pipeline and depend on unstable Serbia to protect it. I think that it has entered their minds that it might be the Serbs it has to protect it from also. Already numerous posters here have made the threats of wait until the oil is flowing through the pipeline in Serbia and then they will have a noose around the neck of the EU. I am sure others have the same thoughts and Russia may in the future show who is in charge.
But do you really think that the base is there for Kosovo??? Plus just as NATO had to manage air space restrictions to fly into Kosovo so will russia have to should the EU sense hostilities and close the air space around Serbia.
As far as the US saying that Kosovo is a European issue. They have been saying that for at least 5 years but there have been no signs of pulling back.

icj1

pre 12 godina

"“It is not KFOR’s mandate to block the alternative roads and hermetically seal off this part of the province.” Nedeljković pointed out.

Well, Mr. Nedeljković forgets that resolution 1244 is still in force and UNMIK has decided in regulation 3 of 1999 that customs taxes have to collected for goods entering Kosovo. So, KFOR can't allow goods to pass in violation of resolution 1244 and UNMIK regulations.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Balkan Anthropologist!

Even a child understand that you said this “Albanians don't come in large numbers until after 1690 when the sultan needs to repopulate the region after many Serbs leave”. How you translate repopulate?
Why doesn’t Sultan don’t bring Turks like in Greece, Bulgaria or Serbia but brings Albanian. The answer is simple he bring nobody there, cause Albanians was there. Anyway this is one of more sophisticated Colonialist lies of your story.
You still had your churches, but you paid taxes to Sultan and send soldier to Sultan to fight another Christians or Muslim who cares. This is your concept for freedom. I have my church but everything is owned by Occupier. Yes Albanians loose some churches but Albanians were freer than you during Ottoman Empire. Some areas of Albania didn’t pay anything to Sultan. Sorry do you know that Patriarch of Orthodox Greece Church has the center in Istanbul or Constantinople. The Patriarch drinks wine with Sultan and divided the Power of Empire and thinks how to clean the Catholic from Balkan. So don’t support to much at these theory we had our churches. Yes because this was the strategy of Sultan “divide et impera” Orthodox Serbs or Albanian versus Catholic Albanian or Muslim Albanian.
Anyway I congratulate you, because you don’t tell another stupid lie, of many Serbs here that poor Albanians comes during Hoxha time in wealthy Yugoslavia. As a see you know that Albania of Hoxha was High Security Prison, where nobody can enter and nobody can get out. Even for birds was difficult to get out of Albania of Hoxha.

Keep on the conversation, we will learn to much by each other.

pss

pre 12 godina

Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.
(sj, 10 November 2011 12:21)
In worse case scenario you think all the people in the US and EU are just going to disappear??? France, US and UK will always be a permanent member of the UNSC and still have the power there they always have. Russia was so bankrupt just 12 years ago they were not able to feed their troops. Predictions are that Putin returning to power is not going to be a plus for the Russian economy.
And I don't see how you think any of this is going to benefit Serbia, do you really think Russia sees you as equals. One of the benefits Serbia sees now is that Russia can use their leverage in the UNSC to block the US on matters that really do not play a global role. Should the scales tip as you say Russia will not need that pawn in the chess game and it becomes expendable.
It is time to wake up and smell the coffee my friend, without western money it will no longer be a question of whether Serbia is the leader in the balkans, it will become a northern Kosovo! Another black hole begging for scraps from the Russian table and they may or may not come.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. (sj, 10 November 2011 12:21)

Pardonne-moi, but if 7% means that a bail out is needed, then one of the BRICS countries, India, at 9%, is much more in need of a bailout.

In addition, the rest of the BRICS, Russia at 6%, Brazil at 4% and China at 3.7% appear to be next on the chopping block, very much ahead of France at 3.2% or US at 2%.

This leaves me a little bit perplexed because I thought the BRICS are the future and everybody is rushing to immigrate to the BRICS, whereas according to sj's methodology of the country's bond rates, BRICS are on or next on the chopping block !

icj1

pre 12 godina

(mick, 10 November 2011 16:05)

Dear Mick, you are correct... Serbs lived in Kosovo very long before Albanians. The Illyrians story is just a fair tale and let's forget about it. The only questions I have is about who lived in Kosovo before the Serbs arrived there thousands of years ago ?

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.
(sj, 11 November 2011 10:41)

This exactly tells me that you are just an unemployed ordinary serb. You don't get paid to "enlighten" anyone. I understand you're tired.

pss

pre 12 godina

I’d rather eat scraps from the Russians table than be handed BS on a silver platter and told its prime beef. You people are so brainwashed with this business of Russia being the evil one it just incredible.
(sj, 11 November 2011 02:11)
I grew up during the cold war. We were told that Russia was our biggest enemy and their goal was to take away the American way of life. But when I hit teenage and early adulthood I began to examine and question. We were told everything Russia said was propaganda, but I thought what if everything I am told is propaganda and Russia is not so bad. Cld war ended and ther seemed to be more in common between the 2 than differences.
However Kosovo changed that for me. While in Kosovo I read everything I could and I would read the news and stories coming out of Russia and stand there and say this is not true. I can see with my own eyes. I remember reading one Russian article of the Pristine mansions covering the countryside of Kosovo owned by Albanians and the materials were stolen from the deoapidated houses of Serbs.
It was then that the light bulb came on, what I had been told was not lies. Russia is willing to say or do anything to get their points. Everything I have read since has reinforced this, especially their support for Serbia.
Enjoy those scraps as they will be the most expensive scraps anyone has ever gotten, you may beg but you will pay heavily for every single scrap that is tssed your way. If you cannot see it after the big energy deal Russia gave Serbia, then you deserve what is going to happen to you.
If there is no more money in the west, why is Serbia putting on fresh lipstick everytime a western diplomat bends over?
Why can you not get your message across to anyone? Read your past posts with an open mind and I don't think even you would believe what you write.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 11 November 2011 15:20)

Yes I thought so; you do live in the us. Where do I start? The cold war started in 1945 until 1989 and just as much as the Russians were telling their people about the immoral and evil west, something similar was occruing in the US.
But the big difference was that the US had money and in that way gave its people a very good standard of living. That was then and today we are in 2011 and how the world has changed.
The current serbain government are all in the pay of the US/EU and they are promosing wealth and happiness for ever if they stay true to the west, but think for a moment just what has the west done for the standard of lving in Kosovo? No factories, no industries opened – nothing. What is the west’s answer, negotiations with Serbia to open up the borders so that Albasnians can look for work.
If you think that the US is looking after your Albanians then good luck mate because you are so blind that its incredible. It is a fact that the BRIC countires are the up and coming power – even the US and EU agree. The Serbs were bombed by the US so why not try the Russians, at least they never attacked our people.
What about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, hmmmmmmmmmmmm? What do you think that was all about?????? Or attacking Libya to save its people?????? Or this new campaign against Iran??????? Does this mean the US never lies??????
100% of what I have said about the western financial situation has come to fruition – buy a paper and read it. I said the US was on its last legs and that came to light since 2007; I said the EU was unsustainable as it stood and now we are going through crises after crises, but as the SS Titanic sinks Albanians like you can’t see it changing anything. Regardless of what happens from now on the situation has changed forever especially with the EU asking the BRIC cou tries to invest inot its Euro bonds to help start a 1 billion Euro fighting fund – hello they are asking Russia!!!!!!

icj1

pre 12 godina

Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.
(sj, 11 November 2011 10:41)

I don't need to read a newspaper... I'm reading you :) When you say that a high bonds rate means that the country needs a bail out I trust you. How can I question you that are the light of these forums.

The only thing I did was to apply YOUR methodology to the bond rates of different countries and according to YOUR methodology the BRICS are next in the chopping block, very much ahead of France and US, because the BRICS pay much higher bond rates.

What can I do about it ? Not apply your methodology which we all agree is brilliant as everything you write in these forums ?!

Demi

pre 12 godina

The days of those few serbs at the barricades are numbered. They know it too.

It is a few hundred serbs who barricade roads when northern Kosovo contain 50 000 serbs. It shows how much support this people have from the local population.

One thing you guys who comment here with your patriotic songs should know is that border will not change. After the election in Serbia things will be clear to you what Serbia will do to get EU membership. Kosovo independence will not vanish and Kosovo will not be a part of Serbia as you belive. Things have changed forever.

Serbia should be happy for the best historic compromise between serbs and albanians. The Ahtisaari Plan.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

For you dear Serbs that believe that the Albanian keeps their hopes at USA support. A simple exercise to understand even they are not good at math.
1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.
1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.
1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian
1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian
1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.
1999-2008 Under International Administration
2008- till now independent
Summary in the last 621 years Kosova 539 years ruled by Others and 82 years ruled by Serbs. Always majority Albanian. Now find by yourself if Kosova is more Albanian or Serb.
Conclusion USA 300 years old, Kosova ruled by others 583, with the help of USA 11 years

Demi

pre 12 godina

sj, 9 November 2011 13:00)

You radical serbs hope that EU will collapse. It's a delusion. Do you maybee hope that the world will also collapse ? Nothing of the options will make Kosovo serbian anyway!

If EU is on it's way to collapse then why do you belive that the goverment in belgrade are doing all they can to get the candidate status ?? Even giving up on Kosovo and the serbs in northern Kosovo ??

The game is over and the borders will not change. This was not allowed to the albanians in western Macedonia in 2001 despite that the situation was far worse than the one in northern Kosovo today. The serbs in the north will realise soon that their struggle for somthing impossible is nothing but impossible since they have no backing from anybody. Neither belgrade or Prishtina but not either EU or US.

No one in Kosovo or Prishtina is worried since the plan of the goverment of Kosovo will be implemented in northern part of the territory. Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo. Nothing more and nothing less! The majority in northern Kosovo wants peace and not barricades. That is why only a handful of serbs barricade roads and not thousand as it should be if they were backed up by the local population.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Does America want to hold up an Albanian Kosovo as their showcase of Multi Cultural European Democracy, because actions have consequences, and America’s Shame will become world known, as will that of the Albanians, if they are capable of feeling shame?

The United Nations has already passed the Six Point Plan for Kosovo, because they know that it is the only way to make a silk purse from a pig’s ear.

This is why Serbia should insist on every Letter of United Nations Security Council Six Point Plan, which Explicitly Excludes ANY Kosovo Albanian, or Kosovo Albanian Government Representative or Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints.

If Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives are at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, then this will just be a reason to continue creating trouble; however, some Kosovo Albanians will never cease to create trouble while they have the backing of America and Europe.

However, the Primary Reason for not having any Kosovo Albanian Government Representatives at the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative checkpoints, is because it is the Law, and Serbia Must Insist on Equality Before The Law.

sj

pre 12 godina

Do the Serbs really think that they will be taken seriously after all their unlawful provocations. It is all heading to a showdown
(Lenard, 9 November 2011 09:48)

I’ll bet you that there is no showdown what so ever. Wishful thinking, mate and wishes don’t wash dishes.
I see that your Croats are very concerned that they are joining a bankrupt EU because they are promising the people that once in the EU their debts would be paid – best laugh I had for days when I heard it on HTV, Dnevnik.
Oh Leanrd you forgot your rant about Srpska.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Once again KFOR takes over a barricade only to have Serbs set up another one. And what results? Bad relations between Serbs who want to cooperate and KFOR soldiers who seem to have no rhyme or reason to what they do other than try to work up a sweat.

1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.
1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.
1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian
1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian
1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.
1999-2008 Under International Administration
2008- till now independent
Summary in the last 621 years Kosova 539 years ruled by Others and 82 years ruled by Serbs. Always majority Albanian. Now find by yourself if Kosova is more Albanian or Serb.
Conclusion USA 300 years old, Kosova ruled by others 583, with the help of USA 11 years
(dori tirana, 9 November 2011 14:44)

Oh good God. This is what passes as history in your country? Let's reexamine this, shall we?

1389 -1912 Ottoman Empire 523 years of Ottoman Central Rule and Albanian Local rule.

Vuk Brankovic survives the battle and continues to rule from Novo Brdo. Albanians don't come in in large numbers unitil after 1690 when the sultan needs to repopulate the region after many Serbs leave, and even still the Serbian Orthodox Church continues to operate under autonomous rule until the 1750s when it goes back under the Greeks. If there was local rule, it wasn't by you people.

1912- 1940 Kosova under Yugoslav rule over majority Albanian inhabitant.

I don't ever recall Pasic giving you people local self rule.

1940-1945 NAZI Rule with local rule by Albanian

Wow. You actually consider Nazi occupation and collaboration a good thing for you?

1946-1989 Autonomous Kosova under Yugoslav Central rule. Majority Albanian

Aleksander Rankovic basically ruled Kosovo like his own property under Tito until 1966. How could you forget that?

1990-1999 Military regime of Serbian Milosevic. Majority Albanian.

And your point on demographics? Ok, you guys had "parallel institutions" that needed to be stamped out in the name of reestablishing "law and order" of the state.

1999-2008 Under International Administration

UNMIK, NATO, KFOR, basaically anyone but you. I'm starting to see a pattern :)

2008- till now independent

Despite still having its leadership selected and defended by Christopher Dell, the CIA, and key EU powers. How independent can it be when it needs approval from everyone else?

And dori tirana, I think I need to de-Hoxhafy your timeline. Albanians didn't come into Kosovo in large numbers until after 1690 when the sultan needed to repopulate the area after large numbers of Serbs left - even though the Serbian Orthodox Church still functioned there autonomously until the 1750s before going back to the Greeks.

And it's not wise to consider Nazi occupation as a good thing for your people. Collaboration, particularly with Nazis, is never regarded as noble by the rest of the world. Pretty sad that the times you can point to "Kosova" being under your control was when it was sort of given to you by external occupying powers :)

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Oh no their days are not numbered by any means. There is a huge gorilla sitting in the proverbial lounge room that the west does not like to talk about and it is just that entity that will not let the Serbs be ruled.
I love these Albanians as soon as the US crawls from under its rock for a few seconds they start to rejoice.
I am amazed that people like you are even talking g about the EU. What EU? Its well on its way to total disintegration and if Italy goes belly up as it will then the US can kiss its backside because they are gone forever. Don’t you people read anything except comic books?
(sj, 9 November 2011 13:00)
That big ole Gorilla has been taken to the taxidermist years ago, it looks fierce and has a snarl on its face but it is not moving. Why?
1. Your leaders that want into the EU are not going to wage war against it.
2. Russia has said "it cannot be more Serbian than Serbia"
3. Your Serbian govt has come to realize that they have no more control over the Serbs in north Kosovo than Pristina does.
4. Without some mandate from the UNSC like NATO has, any military intervention would be a definite violation of every intl law imaginable.
5. Just like eventhough NATO wanted to intervene in Georgia they knew it was in the middle of Russia's domain, Kosovo and Serbia are right in the middle of EU, Russia is not going to launch a military operation being surrounded on all sides.
6. Serbia would have no alternatives but to be Russia's whipping boy for the next 100 years as all aid fromt the west would be cut off and Serbia knows which hand its food is actually coming from.

Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo.-Demi

Hello Demi,

Are you implying that those Serbs kidnapped and chopped up were gangsters and so on!None of them were criminals but sure enough those who decided their destiny, (Thaci and followers) were, are and will continue to be criminals, organ traffickers, baby smugglers etc.

The rest will live peacefully in Kosovo! Not under K. Alb. rule!..Never will happen.....we tried to live with albos.! but you ended up biting the hand that feeds you (the rest of Yugoslav republics had been feeding little k. albos ever since Tito came to power in 1945! Serbs will never let you gt away with stealing their land, and murdering their people!
Timber Wolf

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 12 godina

Typical American and NATO cowards, they show who they really are.....They wouldn't dream of trying it on with the Russians or the Chinese because they know they'd get more than a bloody nose, no they pick on the smaller guy who they know can't hit back for now, but that will not last forever. I've said it before and say it again, the USA is falling apart from the inside and so is the EU. Thier own people have had enough of thier war mongering and corrupt governments and sooner or later they will not be able to afford to send a boy scout to Serbian Kosovo let alone a soldier. All the Serbian people have to do is be patient as they have been in past history, they will have thier day again. They always have prevailed and they will do so again. NATO is just another organization trying to build another illegal empire and it will fail as all the rest have done in the past. The current Serbian government are a bunch of US puppets and have no backbone whatsoever. The gangsters in Pristina may enjoy thier small moment but they will be sorry one day when there is no NATO or American military there to protect them. Mark these words well all you who don't believe that this will be so. One day these words will ring loud in your ears.

Naser Buzhala

pre 12 godina

,He believes that KFOR troops used the tear gas to disperse the citizens who gathered at the Jarinje checkpoint without any reason'.

Which one is meant on you article:
1. FFOR troops used the tear gas without 'any reason'
2.The citizens who gathered at the Jarinje checkpoint without any reason.

EA

pre 12 godina

#KFOR had also betrayed the good will showed by the Serbs who allowed normal supplies and rotation of soldiers at the administrative crossing and the base in the town.#

It is not a question of good will BUT purely for local Serbs to chew more than what they can stomach. Local Serbs want to show off who is in charge and are involved in a political issue rather than getting involved in local issue ie how to improve the lives of local Serbs....

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It is not a question of good will BUT purely for local Serbs to chew more than what they can stomach. Local Serbs want to show off who is in charge and are involved in a political issue rather than getting involved in local issue ie how to improve the lives of local Serbs....
(EA, 9 November 2011 11:02)

Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...

sj

pre 12 godina

(Demi, 9 November 2011 12:17)

Oh no their days are not numbered by any means. There is a huge gorilla sitting in the proverbial lounge room that the west does not like to talk about and it is just that entity that will not let the Serbs be ruled.
I love these Albanians as soon as the US crawls from under its rock for a few seconds they start to rejoice.
I am amazed that people like you are even talking g about the EU. What EU? Its well on its way to total disintegration and if Italy goes belly up as it will then the US can kiss its backside because they are gone forever. Don’t you people read anything except comic books?

grobar1

pre 12 godina

tadic you disgust me. to let these people do this to your own people.you are pathetic.you and your sell-out's should be proud of yourselves.I can't wait for the day when these bankrupt Americans leave kosovo then we will see ......be strong my Serbian brothers and sisters our time will come. pozdrav iz cikaga

Milan

pre 12 godina

So much talk about free movement for all from KFOR commander . Now villagers of Jarinje are completely surrounded by barbwire .Maybe they will get food and supplies by helicopters from today.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'
Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.
(think again, 9 November 2011 14:11)

????? It's a news for everybody that Serbia has been trying to impose its institutions on Kosovo Albanians for the last 12 years.

Some type of partition of Kosovo isn't bright new proposal. Even Milosevic was said to agree to it.

But US/NATO told in Rambue (?sp) ultimatum and keep saying it now that Kosovo division is out of question.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Without some mandate from the UNSC like NATO has, any military intervention would be a definite violation of every intl law imaginable.

(a New Day, 9 November 2011 14:02)

NATO bombed Serbia without any mandate from the UNSC and didn't care about any law.

What logic

pre 12 godina

"He told Beta news agency that KFOR had also betrayed the good will showed by the Serbs who allowed normal supplies and rotation of soldiers at the administrative crossing and the base in the town. "

I am a nice guy too, I always allow the cops to pass.

beeee

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'

What is this this 'dont want it'? your empty wishes have been and will be falling in the fools bin.

El Norte

pre 12 godina

Serbs will put up gravel and barricades yet again after KFOR pulls back and continue frozen conflict until so call Russian emergency centre is prove to be military base. Then Resolution 1244 becomes implemented but til then it will be more of such cat and mouse game between KFOR and EULEX vs Serbia and KPS will remain idle in background

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

No one in Kosovo or Prishtina is worried since the plan of the goverment of Kosovo will be implemented in northern part of the territory. Those who have done criminal acts will be jailed and the rest will live in peace in an independent Kosovo. Nothing more and nothing less! The majority in northern Kosovo wants peace and not barricades. That is why only a handful of serbs barricade roads and not thousand as it should be if they were backed up by the local population.
(Demi, 9 November 2011 13:59)

Demi,
Do you believe it would be easy for semi-state semi-I-Don't-know-what Kosovo to have that much of unloyal population? If you have any doubts concerning whom local population in Northern Kosovo support, just hold referendum there.

Echo!

pre 12 godina

Very brave occupiers against unarmed Serbs they must really feel proud. Bunch of sick cowards! Go home yankees
(Ratko, 9 November 2011 15:36)

KFOR just gave your a lesson for your "Arbajt, Arbajt" shouting and your laughing (actually it's written "Arbeit, Arbeit"). Now, you dislike the echo? Typical..

Milan

pre 12 godina

Looks like american kfor commander was having some fun with his toy soldiers . Someone should tell him those are real people if he care at all.

think again

pre 12 godina

'Do you understand why Albanians are trying to impose their "institutions" on people who don't want it instead of improving the lives of local Albanians? They have up to half population unemployment after all...
(aaayyy,'
Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Thanks Balkan Anthropologist!
Now I’ll make recalculation with the data you supply to me Kosova from 1690 is overpopulated from Albanians. From this date second you Kosova never has the majority Serbian. Now I declare Kosova an Albanian region for the last 321 years and ruled by Serbian regime for 82 years. Source Balkan Anthroplogist. Do we agree? I make another concession. The Orthodox church of Kosova is affiliated to Serbian church. If you now the true role of church is not to justify the borders between countries but is a bridge between God and the peoples. The Orthodox that live in Kosova are free to go in the churches as the Muslim that live in Kosova are free to go to Mosque. Your mentality is worst than a radical muslim. Religion has nothing to do with statehood or nation. Only radical muslim mix religion with state and nation like you.
I don’t consider the collaboration with Nazi a good page of history for the KAlbanians, but I’m not afraid to tell the truth even I don’t like it. But to be fair I’m not sure which one is better Regime for Kosova Serbian or Nazi. This is your problem as I see here. The time of Colonies is finished. The time that Serbs dream for Kosova is finished. You had a bonus of 82 years and didn’t know to manage it.
As for Hoxha if was not him Kosova should be from WWII Albanian. If you don’t know Kosova is liberated from Albanian partisans not from Tito.

pss

pre 12 godina

Let me enlighten you what is going on in Kosovo. The Russians are not in Nis to fight fires but to have ready access to a military base from which to protect their interests such as the South Stream pipeline and they are not about to leave the US there to pose any danger to their assets.

It is the Russians that have not allowed the Serbs to be over run by those forces of niceness and goodness and that is the way they want to keep it. For how long? It not known at this stage.

(sj, 9 November 2011 23:26)
Always the Paul Revere being the first to alert everyone, aren't you?
For your information, I don't think anyone was fooled with the "humanitarian" efforts of Russia. Only those who believe that a US missle shield in Northeast Europe is to protect Europe from Iran would believe Russia wants to build a fire management center.
Russia would be an idiot to invest in such a pipeline and depend on unstable Serbia to protect it. I think that it has entered their minds that it might be the Serbs it has to protect it from also. Already numerous posters here have made the threats of wait until the oil is flowing through the pipeline in Serbia and then they will have a noose around the neck of the EU. I am sure others have the same thoughts and Russia may in the future show who is in charge.
But do you really think that the base is there for Kosovo??? Plus just as NATO had to manage air space restrictions to fly into Kosovo so will russia have to should the EU sense hostilities and close the air space around Serbia.
As far as the US saying that Kosovo is a European issue. They have been saying that for at least 5 years but there have been no signs of pulling back.

icj1

pre 12 godina

"“It is not KFOR’s mandate to block the alternative roads and hermetically seal off this part of the province.” Nedeljković pointed out.

Well, Mr. Nedeljković forgets that resolution 1244 is still in force and UNMIK has decided in regulation 3 of 1999 that customs taxes have to collected for goods entering Kosovo. So, KFOR can't allow goods to pass in violation of resolution 1244 and UNMIK regulations.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Balkan Anthropologist!

Even a child understand that you said this “Albanians don't come in large numbers until after 1690 when the sultan needs to repopulate the region after many Serbs leave”. How you translate repopulate?
Why doesn’t Sultan don’t bring Turks like in Greece, Bulgaria or Serbia but brings Albanian. The answer is simple he bring nobody there, cause Albanians was there. Anyway this is one of more sophisticated Colonialist lies of your story.
You still had your churches, but you paid taxes to Sultan and send soldier to Sultan to fight another Christians or Muslim who cares. This is your concept for freedom. I have my church but everything is owned by Occupier. Yes Albanians loose some churches but Albanians were freer than you during Ottoman Empire. Some areas of Albania didn’t pay anything to Sultan. Sorry do you know that Patriarch of Orthodox Greece Church has the center in Istanbul or Constantinople. The Patriarch drinks wine with Sultan and divided the Power of Empire and thinks how to clean the Catholic from Balkan. So don’t support to much at these theory we had our churches. Yes because this was the strategy of Sultan “divide et impera” Orthodox Serbs or Albanian versus Catholic Albanian or Muslim Albanian.
Anyway I congratulate you, because you don’t tell another stupid lie, of many Serbs here that poor Albanians comes during Hoxha time in wealthy Yugoslavia. As a see you know that Albania of Hoxha was High Security Prison, where nobody can enter and nobody can get out. Even for birds was difficult to get out of Albania of Hoxha.

Keep on the conversation, we will learn to much by each other.

amusing

pre 12 godina

True! It should be like in south Kosovo: 115% of the population voted for Thaci in some tribal areas. So about 57,500 out of the 50,000 Serbs should barricade roads, correct? :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 November 2011 18:06)
Or when Serbia staged the "peaceful" protest in Belgrade after the Kosovo UDI and it was televised world wide, with news agencies saying 50,000 people had gathered and then the Serbian newscaster came on the screen and said over 2 million were present.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"It is a few hundred serbs who barricade roads when northern Kosovo contain 50 000 serbs. It shows how much support this people have from the local population. "
(Demi, 9 November 2011 12:17)

True! It should be like in south Kosovo: 115% of the population voted for Thaci in some tribal areas. So about 57,500 out of the 50,000 Serbs should barricade roads, correct? :)

Lenard

pre 12 godina

I see that your Croats are very concerned that they are joining a bankrupt EU because they are promising the people that once in the EU their debts would be paid – best laugh I had for days when I heard it on HTV, Dnevnik.
Oh Leanrd you forgot your rant about Srpska.
(sj, 9 November 2011 12:06) sj that is a good one that their debts would be paid you got to be a total moron to believe that one. But instead a world tax will be imposed very soon and no one will be exempt from paying it. To pay for the borrow as much as you can for tomorrow we will be all very rich wishful thinking imbeciles pathetic dead beat losers. Thanks for reminding me of a imaginary "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia pogroms. That will do in Serbia and Serbs well on their self inflicted destructive delusional path here is some good music to go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4oNp9iAnRI&feature=related Serbs not very smooth.

Nexh

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted

mick

pre 12 godina

Do you realize that question in reverse has been asked for 12 years now. Why does Serbia insist on imposing its will on the people of Kosovo when they overwhelmingly do not want it instead of focusing their efforts on improving the lives of the Serbian people.
But have you not noticed what these actions have actually done. Now it is wanting to have dialogue of some type of partition of North Kosovo and not the all of Kosovo is Serbia.
(think again, 9 November 2011 14:11)

The problem in this is that most of that people in Kosovo came from albania for a better future to live in yugoslavia.
And when you became larger then the autochthonous you demanded independence? And many Serbs /roma/turks/muslims/croats left for a better place!

Lets say this: all of you from Kosovo who are immigrants from Albania should go back?
And Serbs and roma of Kosovo come back in Kosovo?
lets see who is a majority then!

pss

pre 12 godina

Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.
(sj, 10 November 2011 12:21)
In worse case scenario you think all the people in the US and EU are just going to disappear??? France, US and UK will always be a permanent member of the UNSC and still have the power there they always have. Russia was so bankrupt just 12 years ago they were not able to feed their troops. Predictions are that Putin returning to power is not going to be a plus for the Russian economy.
And I don't see how you think any of this is going to benefit Serbia, do you really think Russia sees you as equals. One of the benefits Serbia sees now is that Russia can use their leverage in the UNSC to block the US on matters that really do not play a global role. Should the scales tip as you say Russia will not need that pawn in the chess game and it becomes expendable.
It is time to wake up and smell the coffee my friend, without western money it will no longer be a question of whether Serbia is the leader in the balkans, it will become a northern Kosovo! Another black hole begging for scraps from the Russian table and they may or may not come.

mick

pre 12 godina

@dori Tirana

In what country were albania and kosovo before the ottoman empire make a guess!

Furthermore just look at the place names in your country
pure albanian right!!! XD

Serbs are not a majority in Kosovo since 1878
as a consequence of the Russo-ottoman war in the previous year.

Romania/Serbia/Bulgaria got independent, also Russia liberated Macedonia and kosovo but the British gave it back to the Ottomans and they wanted revenge... so 200k Serbs left kosovo that same year!

Like I said most Serbs originate from kosovo even people who are now croats/Hungarians came from kosovo (since the great serbian migrations)

And finally Albania was Never a country before 1912
it was created to prevent Serbia access to the sea nothing more!
Look on old maps yo can see it as part of Serbia/Bulgaria/Byzantine/Ottoman/Roman/Macedonian/Goth/Venetian/Italian/Epir.


P.S.
The place names of Kosovo are also all Serbian

And don't come up with albanian illirian fantasy
Ill tell you illrians where just a name for serbs who lived there
now these people are Croats/Bosnjaks/Serbs/Montenegrins/hungarians/macedonians/slovens/albanians/greeks.

I say that because the building style of illirian forts and houses is the same as traditional Serbian ones, the clothing is the same and illirians wrote with Glagolitic script
says enough right!

icj1

pre 12 godina

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. (sj, 10 November 2011 12:21)

Pardonne-moi, but if 7% means that a bail out is needed, then one of the BRICS countries, India, at 9%, is much more in need of a bailout.

In addition, the rest of the BRICS, Russia at 6%, Brazil at 4% and China at 3.7% appear to be next on the chopping block, very much ahead of France at 3.2% or US at 2%.

This leaves me a little bit perplexed because I thought the BRICS are the future and everybody is rushing to immigrate to the BRICS, whereas according to sj's methodology of the country's bond rates, BRICS are on or next on the chopping block !

icj1

pre 12 godina

(mick, 10 November 2011 16:05)

Dear Mick, you are correct... Serbs lived in Kosovo very long before Albanians. The Illyrians story is just a fair tale and let's forget about it. The only questions I have is about who lived in Kosovo before the Serbs arrived there thousands of years ago ?

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.
(sj, 11 November 2011 10:41)

This exactly tells me that you are just an unemployed ordinary serb. You don't get paid to "enlighten" anyone. I understand you're tired.

sj

pre 12 godina

(Demi, 9 November 2011 13:59)

I am not talking about the past – that is history. I am talking about right now and the near future. I don’t have to hope for the collapse because its on its way; as one journalist brave enough to tell the truth said “removing Belasconi is like changing train drivers on a train that has not breaks nor means of stopping from hitting a brick wall”.

The number of people that have trouble seeing how deeply ingrained the western propaganda is in them is staggering to say the least. It’s “If the west falls then the rest of the world will be taken out by an asteroid”. The current regime in Belgrade are PAID to sing the praises of the EU and what is left but continue singing as for them their time is very limited and they know it. I saw something very similar just after the Soviet Union collapsed where communists kept on carrying on as if nothing had happened – passing resolutions, commending comrades for their socialist ideals, giving out medals etc.

It’s called denial. People committed suicide over that collapse as they could not come to terms of what was going on around them.

At best the assessment for 2012 is that the west is going into another recession, as if they left the last one. There is no more money to spend as its all gone and that only leaves printing of money as the UK and US are doing now.

Life in the west will get even harder than most imagine as there will either be severe budget cuts to everything you can name or you will end up with taking a wheel barrow full of paper money to buy a loaf of bread. Regardless of which path is taken it all leads the eventual collapse of the EU because no one is prepared to take the necessary measures to reverse the situation.

In fact the IMF issued a plea for more money from the BRICs to deal with the impending crises. None of the scenarios is any good for an independent Kosovo. What most of you Albanians can’t understand is that Kosovo is unsustainable i.e. it cannot stand on its own two feet financially and nor can a unification with Albanian help out. In fact it would do the exact opposite as Albania does not have the money to deal with that situation.

If the EU cuts its budget then it certainly is not going to maintain its aid commitment to Kosovo. Which ever way you look at it you lose.

Let me enlighten you what is going on in Kosovo. The Russians are not in Nis to fight fires but to have ready access to a military base from which to protect their interests such as the South Stream pipeline and they are not about to leave the US there to pose any danger to their assets.

It is the Russians that have not allowed the Serbs to be over run by those forces of niceness and goodness and that is the way they want to keep it. For how long? It not known at this stage.

The US has already started to talk about “Kosovo being a European problem” and they should leave it to them. The vast majority of EU countries really don’t care about Kosovo or the Albanians, so to them if they get certain human rights guarantees they will turn their back on your lot.

pss

pre 12 godina

I’d rather eat scraps from the Russians table than be handed BS on a silver platter and told its prime beef. You people are so brainwashed with this business of Russia being the evil one it just incredible.
(sj, 11 November 2011 02:11)
I grew up during the cold war. We were told that Russia was our biggest enemy and their goal was to take away the American way of life. But when I hit teenage and early adulthood I began to examine and question. We were told everything Russia said was propaganda, but I thought what if everything I am told is propaganda and Russia is not so bad. Cld war ended and ther seemed to be more in common between the 2 than differences.
However Kosovo changed that for me. While in Kosovo I read everything I could and I would read the news and stories coming out of Russia and stand there and say this is not true. I can see with my own eyes. I remember reading one Russian article of the Pristine mansions covering the countryside of Kosovo owned by Albanians and the materials were stolen from the deoapidated houses of Serbs.
It was then that the light bulb came on, what I had been told was not lies. Russia is willing to say or do anything to get their points. Everything I have read since has reinforced this, especially their support for Serbia.
Enjoy those scraps as they will be the most expensive scraps anyone has ever gotten, you may beg but you will pay heavily for every single scrap that is tssed your way. If you cannot see it after the big energy deal Russia gave Serbia, then you deserve what is going to happen to you.
If there is no more money in the west, why is Serbia putting on fresh lipstick everytime a western diplomat bends over?
Why can you not get your message across to anyone? Read your past posts with an open mind and I don't think even you would believe what you write.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

NATO bombed Serbia without any mandate from the UNSC and didn't care about any law.
(aaayyy, 9 November 2011 15:31)
Lets see NATO intervined after months and months of talks and 4 UNSC resolutions trying to halt the slaughter of people, true it had no mandate but the UNSC then placed it in charge of security for Kosovo and to complete the expulsion of Serbian forces and prevent their return, which pretty much amounts to a post action endorsement.

You are talking of Russia intervining against UN mandated forces to prevent the removal of gravel and trees from roads.
I can see where in your mind that is the same.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

dori tirana, LOL slow down there :)

I never said Albanians made up a majority in Kosovo since 1690. I just said they were IN Kosovo by 1690. You're the one that jumped to the conclusion that they did. And if that's the case, I wonder what they were doing when Turks still controlled it and Serbs still had their churches :)

The rest of your post is an illogical ramble of things that I'm sure make you feel good but leave me wondering what they teach you in Tirana - if it wasn't controlled by Serbs, it must have been controlled by Albanians. Bravo dori. I'm sure this makes you a scholar in your community :)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Lets see NATO intervined after months and months of talks and 4 UNSC resolutions trying to halt the slaughter of people,
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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The question is who slaughtered whom in Kosovo? You only know that Milosevic slaughtered poor Albanians for no reason whatsoever and as a real maniac just couldn't stop. Do you know that the KLA slaughtered Serbs and those of their fellow Albanians whom it considered traitors?

BTW Russia tried to convince Milosevic to withdrow his troops from Kosovo, but he answered that if he did so Kosovo Serbs would have to leave Kosovo.

He did withdrow his troops from some territories in Kosovo in autumn 1998, but those territoties were immediately occupied by the KLA.
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true it had no mandate but the UNSC then placed it in charge of security for Kosovo and to complete the expulsion of Serbian forces and prevent their return, which pretty much amounts to a post action endorsement.
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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UNSC gave the mandate because it was clear that if it didn't give mandate NATO would do whatever it wanted without any permission. I think that it was a UNSC mistake to give a mandate to NATO.
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You are talking of Russia intervining against UN mandated forces to prevent the removal of gravel and trees from roads.
I can see where in your mind that is the same.
(a New Day, 9 November 2011 20:15)
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I am talking about withdrowal of KFOR's mandate in order to prevent Kosovo Albanian occupation of Kosovo North. Kosovo Serbs (the owners of their land where they and their ancestors have been living for centures) are asking for it.

Right now China and Russia can't do it, because they are not strong enough yet and even if they try, NATO could do their "job" without any mandate, but maybe it will happen in the future.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted
(Nexh, 9 November 2011 19:38)

They set up another barricade right next the one that was dismantled. This has been going on for weeks now. You're kind of slow on this, aren't you? :)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

It's about time KFOR did it. I am just surprised to see how Serbs did think that they can block the roads and KFOR will do nothing about it. Busted
(Nexh, 9 November 2011 19:38)

They have to block roads to defend their homes, while KFOR doesn't live in North Kosovo, they are strangers becoming occupants.

sj

pre 12 godina

(pss, 10 November 2011 03:54)

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. And there is no more money for the US.
Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.

sj

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(pss, 10 November 2011 03:54)

Italy’s rates are now at 7% and that means it needs a bail out. Next on the chopping block is France then followed very quickly by the US of A. And there is no more money for the US.
Keep up with the real world and don’t live in a past fantasy life. Forget about airspace or who puts the noose around whose neck. This is reality we are living in a historic time where we are witnessing the collapse of not one but two western systems – the US and EU.

sj

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(pss, 10 November 2011 15:30)

No the people in the US or EU are not going to disappear, but these two entities are no longer going to be a power on the world stage as they are going to find it hard to survive in the impending turmoil. In fact about 3 hours ago ben Bernanke told US marines stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas that the US cannot escape the financial consequences of Europe.

The UK has been printing money since 24 October to avoid a deepening of their crises. France is next on the list straight after Italy. The French are overly committed to the bailout of Greece and its going to pay for this dearly. Germany committed about 30 billion Euros towards Greece but in the case of Italy its over 130 billion Euros. Now do yes see why there is such concern now?

With all of this going on who cares who sits on the UNSC. Since in the past the US and its allies tended to “do their thing” without asking the UNSC why should the new powers seek UN approval? But here is an old proverb that was just as pertinent in 2011 as in 5000 BCE - the golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules.

Yes Russia was so broke not so long ago that it could not feed it people and Yeltsin had to beg and borrow money to stave off a disaster of epic proportions. Yeltsin had to do what ever the US told him and that is why he was liked by the west – in fact he was laughed at because the US saw itself as a conqueror.

No one could believe that Russia in such as short time ,16 years, could make such a turn around and that is due to Putin. This guy waited for the right time and kicked out foreign interests that were sucking the life out of Russia and the rest is history.

Look at Putin and then look at your so called Presidential candidates; one keeps on groping women and paying out for sexual harassment, another cant even remember which departments he wants to eliminate. The reason why they hate Putin is because the corporations can’t control him. But in the case of the US its one idiot after another. How Obama ever became President is amazing.

Putin’s return to be prime Minister has nothing to do with the economy.

If Serbia can get its way why not tag onto Russia as the Albanians have done so with the US. And what’s the problem with that? These are big powers and the small guy takes advantage when ever he can. I don’t see great benefits coming to the Albanians being aligned with the US – how many factories have they opened up in Kosovo?

“It is time to wake up and smell the coffee my friend, without western money it will no longer be a question of whether Serbia is the leader in the Balkans, it will become a northern Kosovo! Another black hole begging for scraps from the Russian table and they may or may not come.”

What part of my posts do you not understand? There is NO MORE MONEY for the west to hand out.

I’d rather eat scraps from the Russians table than be handed BS on a silver platter and told its prime beef. You people are so brainwashed with this business of Russia being the evil one it just incredible.

sj

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(icj1, 11 November 2011 05:16)

Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.

sj

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(pss, 11 November 2011 15:20)

Yes I thought so; you do live in the us. Where do I start? The cold war started in 1945 until 1989 and just as much as the Russians were telling their people about the immoral and evil west, something similar was occruing in the US.
But the big difference was that the US had money and in that way gave its people a very good standard of living. That was then and today we are in 2011 and how the world has changed.
The current serbain government are all in the pay of the US/EU and they are promosing wealth and happiness for ever if they stay true to the west, but think for a moment just what has the west done for the standard of lving in Kosovo? No factories, no industries opened – nothing. What is the west’s answer, negotiations with Serbia to open up the borders so that Albasnians can look for work.
If you think that the US is looking after your Albanians then good luck mate because you are so blind that its incredible. It is a fact that the BRIC countires are the up and coming power – even the US and EU agree. The Serbs were bombed by the US so why not try the Russians, at least they never attacked our people.
What about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, hmmmmmmmmmmmm? What do you think that was all about?????? Or attacking Libya to save its people?????? Or this new campaign against Iran??????? Does this mean the US never lies??????
100% of what I have said about the western financial situation has come to fruition – buy a paper and read it. I said the US was on its last legs and that came to light since 2007; I said the EU was unsustainable as it stood and now we are going through crises after crises, but as the SS Titanic sinks Albanians like you can’t see it changing anything. Regardless of what happens from now on the situation has changed forever especially with the EU asking the BRIC cou tries to invest inot its Euro bonds to help start a 1 billion Euro fighting fund – hello they are asking Russia!!!!!!

icj1

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Please get someone who understand what this means to explain it to you because I am very tired of trying to enlighten Albanians who think they are smart.
Pull your head out of your backside for an hour or two and buy a newspaper and read it carefully.
(sj, 11 November 2011 10:41)

I don't need to read a newspaper... I'm reading you :) When you say that a high bonds rate means that the country needs a bail out I trust you. How can I question you that are the light of these forums.

The only thing I did was to apply YOUR methodology to the bond rates of different countries and according to YOUR methodology the BRICS are next in the chopping block, very much ahead of France and US, because the BRICS pay much higher bond rates.

What can I do about it ? Not apply your methodology which we all agree is brilliant as everything you write in these forums ?!