"Unusual for diplomats to address rallies"

Yeah but, its not unusual for Western diplomats to constantly meddle into Serbia's internal affairs whether its changing laws of the country or getting rid of "parallel" structures in Kosovo. Why you mad now? The EU officials openly said they were trying to help you win the last presidential elections. They put off recognizing the theft of Kosovo, conveniently signed the stabilization agreement as well as the Schnegen Free zone all right before your victory over Nikolic.

How about meeting with Dacic after the parliamentary elections when the DS clearly did not have arithmetical possibility to form a government. Officials openly told him the SPS would be "rehabilitated" as a "modern European party" if they formed a coalition with "pro democracy forces". There needed to be constant convincing to Dacic because well, the SPS constituents (including my parents who voted for them) did so with no indication from Dacic that he would ever join forces with Tadic.

It seems like in politics the way to get your argument across is to be so blatantly hypocritical. The more of a hypocrite you are, the more you convince your self that you are right the more you'll get your way.

Ari Gold

I can also add that a Russian diplomatist in Serbia is something more than just a member of the diplomatic corps. Isn’t he ? Serbia could gain much that Russians feel at home here. Just like Mrs. Clittor in Pristina … I guess if Voislav and Tomislav had won the elections you are talking about then there would be no need for Kozunin to behave this way. And if only Lavrov postponed with the support then Boris could become more desisive.

Just because you can't have American diplomats attend your gatherings because that would be finally telling us the truth that they meddle, you want to critisize the Russians.
Guess what, Serbian people don't mind the Russians so they can openly attend anything they like. Maybe you should learn something from this Boris.

And I thought that it is Kosovo who has conditioned independence...
(Commentator, 1 November 2011 19:16)

If one side continues to obstruct while another plays by the rules, then the latter will always lose. Yes the Russians are looking out for their interests in Serbia. But it seems to me that even Europhiles in Serbia behave as if every foreigner that has a voice in Belgrade is allowed to look out for their interests except for Russians. That Russia shouldn't have any gain from their relationship with Serbia but that it should ONLY be about brotherly and historical relations and anything more is proof that Russians are not to be trusted.

I agree that all foreigners should not influence Serbia. I would pass a law that would outlaw all foreign funding of NGO's in Serbia. That if you want to be an NGO and be a propaganda machine, you have to be the voice of the Serbian people.

So let's says something like that is passed, tell me..who would stand to lose from a law like that the Russians or the West?

It would seem to me that the likes of Vejvoda, Canak, Ceda Jovanovic and the fake Chetnik Draskovic would all be out of jobs very fast.

The criticisms of the Russian ambassador are generally not based on anything he actually said or did. He politely accepted an invitation by an important political party when NO ELECTION IS YET SCHEDULED. He made positive comments about his hosts and DID NOT CRITICIZE ANY OTHER PARTIES. His comments were accurate and general. Tadic made a smart restrained response because he even now knows Russia helps more than interferes. He just wishes and hopes they'll support him in the election, trust me.

(Ari Gold, 1 November 2011 17:38)

So basically what you are saying, it ok to meddle in Serbia's internal affairs since the other side does it, too. I'm not commentating if the West does it, but I see that you admit that Russia does it. Leaves the question, if each side does it, where is Serbia and Serbian people after all? Or do you propose that as long as it is Russia, it does not matter?

And I thought that it is Kosovo who has conditioned independence...

Just because you can't have American diplomats attend your gatherings because that would be finally telling us the truth that they meddle, you want to critisize the Russians.
Guess what, Serbian people don't mind the Russians so they can openly attend anything they like. Maybe you should learn something from this Boris.
(Peggy, 1 November 2011 21:00)

So it would be improper for US diplomats to engage with Kosovo political parties but not for Russia to do so in Serbia?. The saying of "Do as I say, not as I Do" must have its origins in Serbia they use it an enormous amount.

(Ari Gold, 1 November 2011 17:38)

So basically what you are saying, it ok to meddle in Serbia's internal affairs since the other side does it, too. I'm not commentating if the West does it, but I see that you admit that Russia does it. Leaves the question, if each side does it, where is Serbia and Serbian people after all? Or do you propose that as long as it is Russia, it does not matter?

And I thought that it is Kosovo who has conditioned independence...

Yeah but, its not unusual for Western diplomats to constantly meddle into Serbia's internal affairs whether its changing laws of the country or getting rid of "parallel" structures in Kosovo. Why you mad now? The EU officials openly said they were trying to help you win the last presidential elections. They put off recognizing the theft of Kosovo, conveniently signed the stabilization agreement as well as the Schnegen Free zone all right before your victory over Nikolic.

How about meeting with Dacic after the parliamentary elections when the DS clearly did not have arithmetical possibility to form a government. Officials openly told him the SPS would be "rehabilitated" as a "modern European party" if they formed a coalition with "pro democracy forces". There needed to be constant convincing to Dacic because well, the SPS constituents (including my parents who voted for them) did so with no indication from Dacic that he would ever join forces with Tadic.

It seems like in politics the way to get your argument across is to be so blatantly hypocritical. The more of a hypocrite you are, the more you convince your self that you are right the more you'll get your way.

Ari Gold

I can also add that a Russian diplomatist in Serbia is something more than just a member of the diplomatic corps. Isn’t he ? Serbia could gain much that Russians feel at home here. Just like Mrs. Clittor in Pristina … I guess if Voislav and Tomislav had won the elections you are talking about then there would be no need for Kozunin to behave this way. And if only Lavrov postponed with the support then Boris could become more desisive.

The criticisms of the Russian ambassador are generally not based on anything he actually said or did. He politely accepted an invitation by an important political party when NO ELECTION IS YET SCHEDULED. He made positive comments about his hosts and DID NOT CRITICIZE ANY OTHER PARTIES. His comments were accurate and general. Tadic made a smart restrained response because he even now knows Russia helps more than interferes. He just wishes and hopes they'll support him in the election, trust me.

Just because you can't have American diplomats attend your gatherings because that would be finally telling us the truth that they meddle, you want to critisize the Russians.
Guess what, Serbian people don't mind the Russians so they can openly attend anything they like. Maybe you should learn something from this Boris.

And I thought that it is Kosovo who has conditioned independence...
(Commentator, 1 November 2011 19:16)

If one side continues to obstruct while another plays by the rules, then the latter will always lose. Yes the Russians are looking out for their interests in Serbia. But it seems to me that even Europhiles in Serbia behave as if every foreigner that has a voice in Belgrade is allowed to look out for their interests except for Russians. That Russia shouldn't have any gain from their relationship with Serbia but that it should ONLY be about brotherly and historical relations and anything more is proof that Russians are not to be trusted.

I agree that all foreigners should not influence Serbia. I would pass a law that would outlaw all foreign funding of NGO's in Serbia. That if you want to be an NGO and be a propaganda machine, you have to be the voice of the Serbian people.

So let's says something like that is passed, tell me..who would stand to lose from a law like that the Russians or the West?

It would seem to me that the likes of Vejvoda, Canak, Ceda Jovanovic and the fake Chetnik Draskovic would all be out of jobs very fast.

Just because you can't have American diplomats attend your gatherings because that would be finally telling us the truth that they meddle, you want to critisize the Russians.
Guess what, Serbian people don't mind the Russians so they can openly attend anything they like. Maybe you should learn something from this Boris.
(Peggy, 1 November 2011 21:00)

So it would be improper for US diplomats to engage with Kosovo political parties but not for Russia to do so in Serbia?. The saying of "Do as I say, not as I Do" must have its origins in Serbia they use it an enormous amount.