Russia's Lavrov urges "strict adherence to 1244"

The lady doth protest too much me thinks. The louder its disapproval the more proof that Russia's objections are totally insignificant.
(adriatik, 1 November 2011 12:10)

Jealousy will get you nowhere. You can only dream of having an ally like Russia, which you don't have. Because of that Russia that you belittle, you will never, ever, become a state - they have the veto. Your current temporary allies will throw you into the trash bin soon enough, and then you will be left to deal with a very angry Serbia all by yourself. I would not want to be in your shoes.
Cheers!!

@adriatik,

You only wish Russia's objections were insignificant, but belive you me Russia's objections are very significant. Your pathetic little 'republic of kosova' will begin to rot once the US run out of funding, and it wont be long. If I was you I would pack my bags and head for albania, not that its much better but at least it is in your country, then you can live with your other beloved albanian people and wont have to slaughter Serbs to feel ethnically pure.

gee i really seem to hit a nerve with my comments. for people who seem to think my opinions do not matter, you sure seem to have reacted to them

Some folks here believe that oд Србиje и Србa вишe ништa нe зaвиси. Yes Serbia enjoys limited instruments to reach it goals. But because of the current elites sitting on two chairs Serbia is gaining 10% of the international support available. Especially now that anti Americanism and anti EUism received Lybian context. Serbia’s multiple allies can be encouraged only by the provisional governors of Serbia. Here’s the problem ! The West is weakened by the crisis and we must catch the moment.

The lady doth protest too much me thinks. The louder its disapproval the more proof that Russia's objections are totally insignificant.
(adriatik, 1 November 2011 12:10)

To say Russia's objections are insignificant is just foolish. You do realize it is the EU that is asking Russia & China to bail the union out from financial collapse yes? This might have little to do with Kosovo but it would increase Russian influence in the continent and that is not good for you.

Russia is building the most important pipeline in Europe in the years to come. The last possible snag in plans for the South Stream was Yanukovych being elected in Ukraine. He is generally pro Russian so the thought was the South Stream was not needed anymore now that hes there. He however has been questionable to say the least and has done the impossible of alienating Ukraine from Russia and the EU.

To say Russia does not matter is only wishful thinking so you just keep telling your self that. I will say this however, I cant see the Russians helping Serbia out if Serbia keeps electing the DS into power. There is simply no reason for Russia to bend over backwards for Serbia if the country wont at least elect a party like the SNS that puts Russia ahead of the EU. Hopefully the Serbian people see that there is simply a bigger opportunity with Russia than with the EU because unlike Belarus for example, we are not in Russia's immediate sphere of influence. So to have a very Russian friendly country in the Southern Balkans is a benefit for both countries involved.

Russia's stock is on the way up, the EU's is on the way down. This is just the reality.

The lady doth protest too much me thinks. The louder its disapproval the more proof that Russia's objections are totally insignificant.
(adriatik, 1 November 2011 12:10)

As usual you’re the first to comment. Proof that this story hit the wrong nerve. Go tend to your sheep, politics are not one of your strongest points. Just lots of hate for Serbs and Russians and everything that doesn’t tickle your fancy.
The bears is awake and is hungry. If I was Albanian I would be careful.

The lady doth protest too much me thinks. The louder its disapproval the more proof that Russia's objections are totally insignificant.

Orthodox brotherhood, something you wouldn't know about adriatik.

Orthodox brotherhood, something you wouldn't know about adriatik.
(trizo, 1 November 2011 13:22)

Stick to "brotherhood". We'll stick to diplomacy. When it comes to money, even "brothers" can cut each-others throats.

@ Lavrov

UN Res. 1255:

5. Underlines the necessity for the parties to achieve an early and comprehensive political settlement, which includes a settlement on the political status of Abkhazia within the State of Georgia, which fully respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia within its internationally recognized borders.

You were saying?

So do we: 1244 is magic number for us as well.

And UDI did not violate the 1244 but is completely in line with it.

Just ask ICJ. Jeremic did. He called it "the moment of truth".
When he heard the answer then he was feeling the dumbest person on earth but that's the life...

Thanks to Russia also for supporting the 1244 as that resoilution is totally compatible with the declaration of independence. Now you need to act accordingly. Those countries that refuse to recognize Kosova beside the clear verdict of ICJ are violating the international law. 2 of them are permanent members of UN SC. unfrotunately.

Never mind all of this jibber jabber.

Just send Serbia some ground troops supported by air forces and plenty of hardware.

Never mind all of this jibber jabber.

Just send Serbia some ground troops supported by air forces and plenty of hardware.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 November 2011 13:54)

A.C.S.,

Isn't there is something that you overlooked? How do you propose the Russians will get their troops and outdated hardware to Serbia. Serbia is surrounded by NATO countries. Do you really think NATO will allow the Russians to enter their airspace.

Hey "adriatikvo"

As two world powers get stronger, one (yours) gets weaker.

''Principles of international law will continue to be at the core of Russia's position on how to regulate the Kosovo problem."

In accordance with international law and advisory opinion of the international court on the legality of Kosovo independence, you should than recognise Kosova.

Also, nowhere in 1244 does it state that Kosovo is part of Serbia! Read it http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/1244.pdf

Serbs have two laws: International and Serbian.
If international is't respected, then Serbian enter into the force .
Third law does not exist.

@lekaeureka & Ben,

1244: "6. After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
- Liaison with the international civil mission and the international
security presence;
- Marking/clearing minefields;
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings."

If this in anyway granted Kosovo nationhood status, then this would never be allowed, there is a strong implication in this bit.

"5. Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo as a part of the international civil presence under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia"

...Indeed WITHIN the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

2 other points which have been fully violated by both the albanians and KFOR...

"(c) Establishing a secure environment in which refugees and displaced
persons can return home in safety, the international civil presence can operate, a transitional administration can be established, and humanitarian aid can be delivered;"

"(d) Ensuring public safety and order until the international civil
presence can take responsibility for this task;"

The many killings and terrorist acts that have taken place among Serbs since the war ended and KFOR's, KPS's and EULEX's unwillingness to fully follow up such cases properly have clearly violated 1244, and there is no debating that, it is a fact.

So it appears that Lavrov is completely justified in his comments.

"Those countries that refuse to recognize Kosova beside the clear verdict of ICJ are violating the international law. 2 of them are permanent members of UN SC. unfrotunately."
(ben, 1 November 2011 15:52)

So not recognizing Kosovo is against international law? Funny! Some people twist the facts like they want to. Somehow, these people are more like tragical characters deluding themselves

Sad that mother Russia is the main defender of Serbia and not our own government. Hopefully that will change in the upcoming elections.

Serbia should get a real government defending it's interests and invite Russia to build some military bases at least equal to camp Bondsteel.

Wow the trolls are out today. It's Tuesday, you should be working. Oops.

All the EU asks of Serbia is dismemberment, lost control of your borders and immigration, subjugation of your economy, transformation of your culture and the extinction of your Church. Quite a deal and you might get to share in the bankruptcy. Russia asks the mutual respect between natural allies. The pro-EU camp is no longer rational. If the EU is now begging the Russians for money and energy, and the Americans are in withdrawal, what is there to fear from the erstwhile NATO bombers and killers of your people?
(Leo, 1 November 2011 22:03)

This is the best comment so far.

The Count of Kosova!

Do you really believe those NATO countries are a match for Russia?

Those same NATO countries were no match for Serbia in 1999.

What and who would stop today's Russia and company?

Good old Russia!!
Keep Europeans divided from each other...and the Kremlin profits.
Perhaps Russian involvement will delay a rapprochement between Serbs and Albanians by about 50 years.
BTW, I was in Kosovo this summer, met Serbs and Albanians, Gorani too, and liked them all very much. So don't ANYBODY minus this post!!!

Good old Russia!!
Keep Europeans divided from each other...and the Kremlin profits.
(Renko, 1 November 2011 19:10)

The majority of Russians live in geographical Europe and are all ethnic Europeans.

All the EU asks of Serbia is dismemberment, lost control of your borders and immigration, subjugation of your economy, transformation of your culture and the extinction of your Church. Quite a deal and you might get to share in the bankruptcy. Russia asks the mutual respect between natural allies. The pro-EU camp is no longer rational. If the EU is now begging the Russians for money and energy, and the Americans are in withdrawal, what is there to fear from the erstwhile NATO bombers and killers of your people?

@"The lady doth protest too much me thinks"...
(adriatik, 1 November 2011 12:10)

"We are such stuff
As dreams are made on; and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep."
The Tempest Act 4, scene 1, 148–158

Cheers ;-))!

(The Count of Kosova, 2 November 2011 02:40)

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…..Where is this superior US technology? Its about to leave Iraq with its tail between its legs and soon after do the same in Afghanistan. Peoppel lving in cave are thrashing the “worlds only super power”.
Can there be a bigger drone than you? Why don’t people like you wake up and stop dreaming of this superior western weaponry.

for the politicos here, the icj said it was legal to claim udi, but says nothing of enforcing to accepting udi. as always it requires an international regocnition process, all of which can change with the wind.
taiwan and palestine have been fighting their battles for far longer and these are two nations that have very strong support not just for political reasons but for practical ones too, where as kosova's support is mostly political, excluding the notion of bondsteel and the value that it has to the usa and nato.
furthermore it is has been international accepted that serbia is to assume itself as yugoslavia. icj needed to go through legal proceeding to make legal sense of udi, however it does not need to do anything of the sort to say serbia = yugoslavia.
the game of politics is not one for those with weak stomachs. it is a game of appeasing the big bully boy on the block at each turn. once the bbb no longer sees value in you then you fall out of favour, or the bbb decides that they'd rather support someones for what that other can give them. kosova doesn't seem to offer too much to the bbbs around the world other than a place to build their base. doesn't seem like a whole lot when you consider that they want oil, gold, diamonds, educated slaves and opertunites to open and control businesses.

Russia bailing somebody out!!! That will be the day…

lots of luck with that
(Real Canadian, 1 November 2011 22:17)

As most that live in the west rely on their free press to tell them the truth, a person such has this individual has obviously not been told by the American or Canadian media of the facts involving the EU.

But here it is – the UE has sent delegations to all the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India and China) countries to ask them to invest in their Eurobonds which will be used to prop up the failing economies. The only reporting so far has concentrated on China and if you read a little closer you will find out that China is asking for free trade with the EU and to buy into companies which produce high level technology. With Brazil and India it’s very much about trade, but the Russians want a lot more out of this deal.

In the end the Russians will get what they want and with their monopoly on energy supplies to Europe plus investment in Eurobonds plus a few other things you will find out that the Russians are on the rise while the US is going fast down the utilities block with their $47 trillion debt and rising fast.

This is 2011 not 1989.

@pss,

You are so wrong I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

Those same NATO countries were no match for Serbia in 1999.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 November 2011 17:27)

And you won that war did you? I guess NATO signed capitulation in Kumanovo!

You can only dream of having an ally like Russia
(Dragan, 1 November 2011 13:25)

With Friends like that who needs enemies?

And the best for last:
You do realize it is the EU that is asking Russia & China to bail the union out from financial collapse
(Ari Gold, 1 November 2011 19:08)

Russia bailing somebody out!!! That will be the day…

lots of luck with that

Metrod and The Count Kosova

During the summer of 2008 Russia kicked the USA's butt in Georgia in only 3 days.

whooooo DRONE Technology in Ahganistan fighting against farmers in the desert.....

LMAO

"Stick to "brotherhood". We'll stick to diplomacy. When it comes to money, even "brothers" can cut each-others throats.
miri

- Just like Montenegrins did to their brothers.


The Count of Kosova!
Do you really believe those NATO countries are a match for Russia?
Those same NATO countries were no match for Serbia in 1999.
What and who would stop today's Russia and company?
(Another Canadian Serb"

- Yup, and NATO forces retreated from Kosovo and Serb forces remain to this day. You should loose your posting privileges from making such a comment.

I dont understand how most ppl here believe that russia cares about serbia or the U.S about Kosovo/a. These two powers are not allies to no one but their own interests and they both want to control and rule economically as much as possible around the world so Russia uses Serbia and the US uses Kosovo/a.
The question now (to Serbia and Kosovo/a) is which of these interests are more benficial to serve?
We can argue back and fourth about these interests but to my opinion in the long run the European Union will better serve the Serbian and Kosovo citizans individually than any other union or state can because when push comes to shove the US and Russia will both go their own ways and forget that everything else exists, but Serbia and Kosovo/a will remain in Europe and because they will both affect the future of Europe and because Europe cannot ignore this fact they then will have to unconditionally help eachother including Serbia and Kosovo/a.
Conclusion:
Serbia and Kosovo/a should both try and keep their European perspectives as it will only best serve their own interests in the long run.

(SCP UK, 1 November 2011 17:46)
You have successfully disprved the argument that many on your side of the fence continually argue and that it was the goal to create an independent state in the beginning.
You did miss one very very important point though,
e. Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);

f. In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement

therefore proving that 1244 has never guaranteed that Kosovo will remain a part of Serbia, FRY, or anything else. The future status (as of 1999) was wide open.

Those same NATO countries were no match for Serbia in 1999.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 November 2011 17:27)

And you won that war did you? I guess NATO signed capitulation in Kumanovo!
(Real Canadian, 1 November 2011 22:17)

If you look at it closely, then you'll note that they did, Kumanavo and UNSC 1244 were offered by Milosevic, as opposed to Nato's offers in Ramboillet.

"Russia's Lavrov urges "strict adherence to 1244" EULEX is violating res.
1244 in its quest of illegally creating sovereign state of Kosovo.Therefore,Serbia should lodge,carefully drafted complain in UNSC
demanding that use of KFOR to establish custom check point on administrative border with Serbia manned by Kosovo Albanian government must stop.Serbia defend your rights,you have powerful friends in UNSC.

Ari Gold,

Russia has an economy comparable to Belgium or South Korea. I dan't know what do you expect from Russia, other than talk of a threatening country.

What and who would stop today's Russia and company?
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 November 2011 17:27)


Very obvious, dear boy, the good old USA. They always have and always will be militarily superior to Russia! BTW, who is this "and company" you elude to. Also,where have you been all this time while the U.S. has been developing the most sophisticated Drone Technology the world has yet to see. And, it is using it very successfully, daily, in Afghanistan and Pakistan to hunt down terrorists. Imagine if the USA had used attack capable Drones in Serbia in 1999!

All the EU asks of Serbia is dismemberment...
(Leo, 1 November 2011 22:03)

This is the best comment so far.
(trizo, 1 November 2011 23:53)

Dear Leo and Trizo, according to Serbia, it is resolution 1244 that is instrumental to the Serbia's dismemberment. And I fully support that statement from Serbia.

Collecting taxes is not salvation of poor Kosovo Albanans from "genocide", so let NATO/KFOR relex a little bit over the issue. I can guarantee Russia and China won't be offended.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

Resolution 1244 is in force and UNMIK Regulations have to be implemented. And I'm sure that Russia and China will be deeply offended if 1244 is not implemented. Haven't you seen the Russian Foreign Ministry denounce every other week violations of 1244. So they are closely monitoring the implementation of 1244.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 20:10)


Dear aaayyy, I told you that Russia will be offended, but you did not want to believe me. It appears Sergei must be reading these forums, because as soon as he read what you said he promptly came out to deny what you are saying and urge "strict adherence to 1244".

Stick to "brotherhood". We'll stick to diplomacy. When it comes to money, even "brothers" can cut each-others throats.
(miri, 1 November 2011 15:35)

For sure, the big brother turned a deaf ear to the pleadings of the little brother in the afternoon of June 10, 1999 at the UN Headquarters in New York when Yugoslavia was being dismembered.

@pss,

You are so wrong I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
(SCP UK, 1 November 2011 21:35)
Probably by not being so consumed by ethnic hatred that I can actually read and interpret the meaning of documents instead of having to twist the meaning for my own purposes.
I think the fact that anyone can interpret 1244 as a pro-Serbian document says a lot about their capabilities.
Why else can you explain the fact that for 12 years Serbia has never requested to act on the ability to return a few personnel to perform these functions, simple they understand the meaning which is lightyears away from your interpretation. If the meaning was as you say would Kostunica not have had guards at every checkpoint and patrimonial site in Kosovo during his time?
Curious as to what twisted interpretation you can give to the determination of future status meaning in 1244, if the only option is as a Serbian province?
I think we can see why the west supports independence, too many Serbs see things as you do.

"Russia's Lavrov urges "strict adherence to 1244" EULEX is violating res.
1244 in its quest of illegally creating sovereign state of Kosovo.Therefore,Serbia should lodge,carefully drafted complain in UNSC
demanding that use of KFOR to establish custom check point on administrative border with Serbia manned by Kosovo Albanian government must stop.Serbia defend your rights,you have powerful friends in UNSC.
(lukebuyenovich, 2 November 2011 10:35)

I think that is the most sensible course of action that Serbia should take. If Serbia is right, the UNSC, as UNMIK's superior, can order UNMIK to abolish UNMIK's regulation no. 3 of 1999 which mandates the collection of customs taxes at the Kosovo's crossings.

If you look at it closely, then you'll note that they did, Kumanavo and UNSC 1244 were offered by Milosevic, as opposed to Nato's offers in Ramboillet.
(New Zealander, 2 November 2011 09:03)

Milosevic offered 1244 ?! According to my sources Milosvic's ambasador at the UN pleaded on June 10, 1999 with the UNSC member to not approve 1244. So either you are wrong or Milosevic's ambasador is wrong.

ZZZ…ZZ …..Where is this superior US technology? Its about to leave Iraq with its tail between its legs and soon after do the same in Afghanistan. Peoppel lving in cave are thrashing the “worlds only super power”.
Can there be a bigger drone than you? Why don’t people like you wake up and stop dreaming of this superior western weaponry.
(sj, 2 November 2011 14:03)

I fully agree with you sj... those coward Americans that use those antiquated drones (so antiquated that nobody else uses) instead of sending their soldiers to do the job. Instead they should look at their heroic enemies which uses the latest technological advances and send people to blow up themselves sacrificing their lives for a great cause :)

Use of force against the Serbs is nonexistent as that other major player side has shown their hand in this dispute.
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

That is absolutely correct; Serbs are strong supporters of 1244 and KFOR and thus there is no need to use force against them. Force may only be used against people who violate 1244 especially now that Russia urged strict adherence to 1244 provisions.
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Tadic and Stefanovic are no longer relevant and can join the other sell outs in the dustbin of history.
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

That’s great for everybody in Kosovo. Serbs will no longer have to deal with that traitor of Tadic and Albanians don’t have to worry anymore about complications due to Serbia becoming an EU member.
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For those Albanians that put up the excuse of no recognition of Kosovo then no EU, – there will be no EU shortly.
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

Is this “shortly” similar to the “three weeks” prediction that you made on 9 October 2011 23:03 for the BOOM in the US ?
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)
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Look at the EU begging the Chinese and Russians to buy their Eurobonds to stay afloat.
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

I agree… those rich people in the EU want to live at the expense of the poor masses of China and Russia.
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Hello is there anyone home or are you all brain dead??????
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

I think everybody in this forum is brain dead… for some reason they are not able to see the deep insight and expertise that you sj offer in financial and economic matters.
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Yes trade is one of the things its after but to help with the bailout China wants the ability to buy into strategic high tech industries.
(sj, 3 November 2011 22:57)

Here I tend to disagree. According to many posters in these forums, China is a great and advanced superpower and does not need EU/US’s decaying technology (Where is this superior US technology? You correctly asked in another forum on 2 November 2011 14:03). Instead, I and many other posters here think China’s top national priority is to help Serbia win Kosovo and China can’t sleep at night until that is achieved. That’s why is giving money to the West in order to condition them not to help Kosovo.
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Of all the western countries then only one in good shape is Australia with a national debt of 2% unlike the US which has a debt of 120% and rising. In fact it actual debt is 47 trillion with unfunded liabilities totalling 115 trillion. It is now buying its own bonds through dummy companies in the Caymans and Bermuda.
(sj, 3 November 2011 22:57)

Those Americans that earn 6x more than the average Chinese. I fully agree with you sj that Americans should take example from China in order to enjoy the privilege of living in poverty.

The lady doth protest too much me thinks. The louder its disapproval the more proof that Russia's objections are totally insignificant.

So do we: 1244 is magic number for us as well.

And UDI did not violate the 1244 but is completely in line with it.

Just ask ICJ. Jeremic did. He called it "the moment of truth".
When he heard the answer then he was feeling the dumbest person on earth but that's the life...

Thanks to Russia also for supporting the 1244 as that resoilution is totally compatible with the declaration of independence. Now you need to act accordingly. Those countries that refuse to recognize Kosova beside the clear verdict of ICJ are violating the international law. 2 of them are permanent members of UN SC. unfrotunately.

Good old Russia!!
Keep Europeans divided from each other...and the Kremlin profits.
Perhaps Russian involvement will delay a rapprochement between Serbs and Albanians by about 50 years.
BTW, I was in Kosovo this summer, met Serbs and Albanians, Gorani too, and liked them all very much. So don't ANYBODY minus this post!!!

''Principles of international law will continue to be at the core of Russia's position on how to regulate the Kosovo problem."

In accordance with international law and advisory opinion of the international court on the legality of Kosovo independence, you should than recognise Kosova.

Also, nowhere in 1244 does it state that Kosovo is part of Serbia! Read it http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/1244.pdf

Never mind all of this jibber jabber.

Just send Serbia some ground troops supported by air forces and plenty of hardware.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 November 2011 13:54)

A.C.S.,

Isn't there is something that you overlooked? How do you propose the Russians will get their troops and outdated hardware to Serbia. Serbia is surrounded by NATO countries. Do you really think NATO will allow the Russians to enter their airspace.

Serbs have two laws: International and Serbian.
If international is't respected, then Serbian enter into the force .
Third law does not exist.

Orthodox brotherhood, something you wouldn't know about adriatik.
(trizo, 1 November 2011 13:22)

Stick to "brotherhood". We'll stick to diplomacy. When it comes to money, even "brothers" can cut each-others throats.

gee i really seem to hit a nerve with my comments. for people who seem to think my opinions do not matter, you sure seem to have reacted to them

Orthodox brotherhood, something you wouldn't know about adriatik.

Hey "adriatikvo"

As two world powers get stronger, one (yours) gets weaker.

@lekaeureka & Ben,

1244: "6. After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
- Liaison with the international civil mission and the international
security presence;
- Marking/clearing minefields;
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings."

If this in anyway granted Kosovo nationhood status, then this would never be allowed, there is a strong implication in this bit.

"5. Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo as a part of the international civil presence under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia"

...Indeed WITHIN the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

2 other points which have been fully violated by both the albanians and KFOR...

"(c) Establishing a secure environment in which refugees and displaced
persons can return home in safety, the international civil presence can operate, a transitional administration can be established, and humanitarian aid can be delivered;"

"(d) Ensuring public safety and order until the international civil
presence can take responsibility for this task;"

The many killings and terrorist acts that have taken place among Serbs since the war ended and KFOR's, KPS's and EULEX's unwillingness to fully follow up such cases properly have clearly violated 1244, and there is no debating that, it is a fact.

So it appears that Lavrov is completely justified in his comments.

@adriatik,

You only wish Russia's objections were insignificant, but belive you me Russia's objections are very significant. Your pathetic little 'republic of kosova' will begin to rot once the US run out of funding, and it wont be long. If I was you I would pack my bags and head for albania, not that its much better but at least it is in your country, then you can live with your other beloved albanian people and wont have to slaughter Serbs to feel ethnically pure.

The lady doth protest too much me thinks. The louder its disapproval the more proof that Russia's objections are totally insignificant.
(adriatik, 1 November 2011 12:10)

Jealousy will get you nowhere. You can only dream of having an ally like Russia, which you don't have. Because of that Russia that you belittle, you will never, ever, become a state - they have the veto. Your current temporary allies will throw you into the trash bin soon enough, and then you will be left to deal with a very angry Serbia all by yourself. I would not want to be in your shoes.
Cheers!!

(SCP UK, 1 November 2011 17:46)
You have successfully disprved the argument that many on your side of the fence continually argue and that it was the goal to create an independent state in the beginning.
You did miss one very very important point though,
e. Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);

f. In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement

therefore proving that 1244 has never guaranteed that Kosovo will remain a part of Serbia, FRY, or anything else. The future status (as of 1999) was wide open.

The lady doth protest too much me thinks. The louder its disapproval the more proof that Russia's objections are totally insignificant.
(adriatik, 1 November 2011 12:10)

As usual you’re the first to comment. Proof that this story hit the wrong nerve. Go tend to your sheep, politics are not one of your strongest points. Just lots of hate for Serbs and Russians and everything that doesn’t tickle your fancy.
The bears is awake and is hungry. If I was Albanian I would be careful.

for the politicos here, the icj said it was legal to claim udi, but says nothing of enforcing to accepting udi. as always it requires an international regocnition process, all of which can change with the wind.
taiwan and palestine have been fighting their battles for far longer and these are two nations that have very strong support not just for political reasons but for practical ones too, where as kosova's support is mostly political, excluding the notion of bondsteel and the value that it has to the usa and nato.
furthermore it is has been international accepted that serbia is to assume itself as yugoslavia. icj needed to go through legal proceeding to make legal sense of udi, however it does not need to do anything of the sort to say serbia = yugoslavia.
the game of politics is not one for those with weak stomachs. it is a game of appeasing the big bully boy on the block at each turn. once the bbb no longer sees value in you then you fall out of favour, or the bbb decides that they'd rather support someones for what that other can give them. kosova doesn't seem to offer too much to the bbbs around the world other than a place to build their base. doesn't seem like a whole lot when you consider that they want oil, gold, diamonds, educated slaves and opertunites to open and control businesses.

The Count of Kosova!

Do you really believe those NATO countries are a match for Russia?

Those same NATO countries were no match for Serbia in 1999.

What and who would stop today's Russia and company?

The lady doth protest too much me thinks. The louder its disapproval the more proof that Russia's objections are totally insignificant.
(adriatik, 1 November 2011 12:10)

To say Russia's objections are insignificant is just foolish. You do realize it is the EU that is asking Russia & China to bail the union out from financial collapse yes? This might have little to do with Kosovo but it would increase Russian influence in the continent and that is not good for you.

Russia is building the most important pipeline in Europe in the years to come. The last possible snag in plans for the South Stream was Yanukovych being elected in Ukraine. He is generally pro Russian so the thought was the South Stream was not needed anymore now that hes there. He however has been questionable to say the least and has done the impossible of alienating Ukraine from Russia and the EU.

To say Russia does not matter is only wishful thinking so you just keep telling your self that. I will say this however, I cant see the Russians helping Serbia out if Serbia keeps electing the DS into power. There is simply no reason for Russia to bend over backwards for Serbia if the country wont at least elect a party like the SNS that puts Russia ahead of the EU. Hopefully the Serbian people see that there is simply a bigger opportunity with Russia than with the EU because unlike Belarus for example, we are not in Russia's immediate sphere of influence. So to have a very Russian friendly country in the Southern Balkans is a benefit for both countries involved.

Russia's stock is on the way up, the EU's is on the way down. This is just the reality.

Those same NATO countries were no match for Serbia in 1999.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 November 2011 17:27)

And you won that war did you? I guess NATO signed capitulation in Kumanovo!

You can only dream of having an ally like Russia
(Dragan, 1 November 2011 13:25)

With Friends like that who needs enemies?

And the best for last:
You do realize it is the EU that is asking Russia & China to bail the union out from financial collapse
(Ari Gold, 1 November 2011 19:08)

Russia bailing somebody out!!! That will be the day…

lots of luck with that

Ari Gold,

Russia has an economy comparable to Belgium or South Korea. I dan't know what do you expect from Russia, other than talk of a threatening country.

What and who would stop today's Russia and company?
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 November 2011 17:27)


Very obvious, dear boy, the good old USA. They always have and always will be militarily superior to Russia! BTW, who is this "and company" you elude to. Also,where have you been all this time while the U.S. has been developing the most sophisticated Drone Technology the world has yet to see. And, it is using it very successfully, daily, in Afghanistan and Pakistan to hunt down terrorists. Imagine if the USA had used attack capable Drones in Serbia in 1999!

Never mind all of this jibber jabber.

Just send Serbia some ground troops supported by air forces and plenty of hardware.

@"The lady doth protest too much me thinks"...
(adriatik, 1 November 2011 12:10)

"We are such stuff
As dreams are made on; and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep."
The Tempest Act 4, scene 1, 148–158

Cheers ;-))!

@ Lavrov

UN Res. 1255:

5. Underlines the necessity for the parties to achieve an early and comprehensive political settlement, which includes a settlement on the political status of Abkhazia within the State of Georgia, which fully respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia within its internationally recognized borders.

You were saying?

Wow the trolls are out today. It's Tuesday, you should be working. Oops.

"Those countries that refuse to recognize Kosova beside the clear verdict of ICJ are violating the international law. 2 of them are permanent members of UN SC. unfrotunately."
(ben, 1 November 2011 15:52)

So not recognizing Kosovo is against international law? Funny! Some people twist the facts like they want to. Somehow, these people are more like tragical characters deluding themselves

All the EU asks of Serbia is dismemberment...
(Leo, 1 November 2011 22:03)

This is the best comment so far.
(trizo, 1 November 2011 23:53)

Dear Leo and Trizo, according to Serbia, it is resolution 1244 that is instrumental to the Serbia's dismemberment. And I fully support that statement from Serbia.

Some folks here believe that oд Србиje и Србa вишe ништa нe зaвиси. Yes Serbia enjoys limited instruments to reach it goals. But because of the current elites sitting on two chairs Serbia is gaining 10% of the international support available. Especially now that anti Americanism and anti EUism received Lybian context. Serbia’s multiple allies can be encouraged only by the provisional governors of Serbia. Here’s the problem ! The West is weakened by the crisis and we must catch the moment.

Good old Russia!!
Keep Europeans divided from each other...and the Kremlin profits.
(Renko, 1 November 2011 19:10)

The majority of Russians live in geographical Europe and are all ethnic Europeans.

Serbia should get a real government defending it's interests and invite Russia to build some military bases at least equal to camp Bondsteel.

@pss,

You are so wrong I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
(SCP UK, 1 November 2011 21:35)
Probably by not being so consumed by ethnic hatred that I can actually read and interpret the meaning of documents instead of having to twist the meaning for my own purposes.
I think the fact that anyone can interpret 1244 as a pro-Serbian document says a lot about their capabilities.
Why else can you explain the fact that for 12 years Serbia has never requested to act on the ability to return a few personnel to perform these functions, simple they understand the meaning which is lightyears away from your interpretation. If the meaning was as you say would Kostunica not have had guards at every checkpoint and patrimonial site in Kosovo during his time?
Curious as to what twisted interpretation you can give to the determination of future status meaning in 1244, if the only option is as a Serbian province?
I think we can see why the west supports independence, too many Serbs see things as you do.

I dont understand how most ppl here believe that russia cares about serbia or the U.S about Kosovo/a. These two powers are not allies to no one but their own interests and they both want to control and rule economically as much as possible around the world so Russia uses Serbia and the US uses Kosovo/a.
The question now (to Serbia and Kosovo/a) is which of these interests are more benficial to serve?
We can argue back and fourth about these interests but to my opinion in the long run the European Union will better serve the Serbian and Kosovo citizans individually than any other union or state can because when push comes to shove the US and Russia will both go their own ways and forget that everything else exists, but Serbia and Kosovo/a will remain in Europe and because they will both affect the future of Europe and because Europe cannot ignore this fact they then will have to unconditionally help eachother including Serbia and Kosovo/a.
Conclusion:
Serbia and Kosovo/a should both try and keep their European perspectives as it will only best serve their own interests in the long run.

@pss,

You are so wrong I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

All the EU asks of Serbia is dismemberment, lost control of your borders and immigration, subjugation of your economy, transformation of your culture and the extinction of your Church. Quite a deal and you might get to share in the bankruptcy. Russia asks the mutual respect between natural allies. The pro-EU camp is no longer rational. If the EU is now begging the Russians for money and energy, and the Americans are in withdrawal, what is there to fear from the erstwhile NATO bombers and killers of your people?

All the EU asks of Serbia is dismemberment, lost control of your borders and immigration, subjugation of your economy, transformation of your culture and the extinction of your Church. Quite a deal and you might get to share in the bankruptcy. Russia asks the mutual respect between natural allies. The pro-EU camp is no longer rational. If the EU is now begging the Russians for money and energy, and the Americans are in withdrawal, what is there to fear from the erstwhile NATO bombers and killers of your people?
(Leo, 1 November 2011 22:03)

This is the best comment so far.

Stick to "brotherhood". We'll stick to diplomacy. When it comes to money, even "brothers" can cut each-others throats.
(miri, 1 November 2011 15:35)

For sure, the big brother turned a deaf ear to the pleadings of the little brother in the afternoon of June 10, 1999 at the UN Headquarters in New York when Yugoslavia was being dismembered.

Those same NATO countries were no match for Serbia in 1999.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 November 2011 17:27)

And you won that war did you? I guess NATO signed capitulation in Kumanovo!
(Real Canadian, 1 November 2011 22:17)

If you look at it closely, then you'll note that they did, Kumanavo and UNSC 1244 were offered by Milosevic, as opposed to Nato's offers in Ramboillet.

"Russia's Lavrov urges "strict adherence to 1244" EULEX is violating res.
1244 in its quest of illegally creating sovereign state of Kosovo.Therefore,Serbia should lodge,carefully drafted complain in UNSC
demanding that use of KFOR to establish custom check point on administrative border with Serbia manned by Kosovo Albanian government must stop.Serbia defend your rights,you have powerful friends in UNSC.
(lukebuyenovich, 2 November 2011 10:35)

I think that is the most sensible course of action that Serbia should take. If Serbia is right, the UNSC, as UNMIK's superior, can order UNMIK to abolish UNMIK's regulation no. 3 of 1999 which mandates the collection of customs taxes at the Kosovo's crossings.

Sad that mother Russia is the main defender of Serbia and not our own government. Hopefully that will change in the upcoming elections.

"Stick to "brotherhood". We'll stick to diplomacy. When it comes to money, even "brothers" can cut each-others throats.
miri

- Just like Montenegrins did to their brothers.


The Count of Kosova!
Do you really believe those NATO countries are a match for Russia?
Those same NATO countries were no match for Serbia in 1999.
What and who would stop today's Russia and company?
(Another Canadian Serb"

- Yup, and NATO forces retreated from Kosovo and Serb forces remain to this day. You should loose your posting privileges from making such a comment.

Russia bailing somebody out!!! That will be the day…

lots of luck with that
(Real Canadian, 1 November 2011 22:17)

As most that live in the west rely on their free press to tell them the truth, a person such has this individual has obviously not been told by the American or Canadian media of the facts involving the EU.

But here it is – the UE has sent delegations to all the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India and China) countries to ask them to invest in their Eurobonds which will be used to prop up the failing economies. The only reporting so far has concentrated on China and if you read a little closer you will find out that China is asking for free trade with the EU and to buy into companies which produce high level technology. With Brazil and India it’s very much about trade, but the Russians want a lot more out of this deal.

In the end the Russians will get what they want and with their monopoly on energy supplies to Europe plus investment in Eurobonds plus a few other things you will find out that the Russians are on the rise while the US is going fast down the utilities block with their $47 trillion debt and rising fast.

This is 2011 not 1989.

"Russia's Lavrov urges "strict adherence to 1244" EULEX is violating res.
1244 in its quest of illegally creating sovereign state of Kosovo.Therefore,Serbia should lodge,carefully drafted complain in UNSC
demanding that use of KFOR to establish custom check point on administrative border with Serbia manned by Kosovo Albanian government must stop.Serbia defend your rights,you have powerful friends in UNSC.

Metrod and The Count Kosova

During the summer of 2008 Russia kicked the USA's butt in Georgia in only 3 days.

whooooo DRONE Technology in Ahganistan fighting against farmers in the desert.....

LMAO

(The Count of Kosova, 2 November 2011 02:40)

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…..Where is this superior US technology? Its about to leave Iraq with its tail between its legs and soon after do the same in Afghanistan. Peoppel lving in cave are thrashing the “worlds only super power”.
Can there be a bigger drone than you? Why don’t people like you wake up and stop dreaming of this superior western weaponry.

Collecting taxes is not salvation of poor Kosovo Albanans from "genocide", so let NATO/KFOR relex a little bit over the issue. I can guarantee Russia and China won't be offended.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

Resolution 1244 is in force and UNMIK Regulations have to be implemented. And I'm sure that Russia and China will be deeply offended if 1244 is not implemented. Haven't you seen the Russian Foreign Ministry denounce every other week violations of 1244. So they are closely monitoring the implementation of 1244.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 20:10)


Dear aaayyy, I told you that Russia will be offended, but you did not want to believe me. It appears Sergei must be reading these forums, because as soon as he read what you said he promptly came out to deny what you are saying and urge "strict adherence to 1244".

If you look at it closely, then you'll note that they did, Kumanavo and UNSC 1244 were offered by Milosevic, as opposed to Nato's offers in Ramboillet.
(New Zealander, 2 November 2011 09:03)

Milosevic offered 1244 ?! According to my sources Milosvic's ambasador at the UN pleaded on June 10, 1999 with the UNSC member to not approve 1244. So either you are wrong or Milosevic's ambasador is wrong.

ZZZ…ZZ …..Where is this superior US technology? Its about to leave Iraq with its tail between its legs and soon after do the same in Afghanistan. Peoppel lving in cave are thrashing the “worlds only super power”.
Can there be a bigger drone than you? Why don’t people like you wake up and stop dreaming of this superior western weaponry.
(sj, 2 November 2011 14:03)

I fully agree with you sj... those coward Americans that use those antiquated drones (so antiquated that nobody else uses) instead of sending their soldiers to do the job. Instead they should look at their heroic enemies which uses the latest technological advances and send people to blow up themselves sacrificing their lives for a great cause :)

Use of force against the Serbs is nonexistent as that other major player side has shown their hand in this dispute.
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

That is absolutely correct; Serbs are strong supporters of 1244 and KFOR and thus there is no need to use force against them. Force may only be used against people who violate 1244 especially now that Russia urged strict adherence to 1244 provisions.
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Tadic and Stefanovic are no longer relevant and can join the other sell outs in the dustbin of history.
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

That’s great for everybody in Kosovo. Serbs will no longer have to deal with that traitor of Tadic and Albanians don’t have to worry anymore about complications due to Serbia becoming an EU member.
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For those Albanians that put up the excuse of no recognition of Kosovo then no EU, – there will be no EU shortly.
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

Is this “shortly” similar to the “three weeks” prediction that you made on 9 October 2011 23:03 for the BOOM in the US ?
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)
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Look at the EU begging the Chinese and Russians to buy their Eurobonds to stay afloat.
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

I agree… those rich people in the EU want to live at the expense of the poor masses of China and Russia.
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Hello is there anyone home or are you all brain dead??????
(sj, 2 November 2011 13:55)

I think everybody in this forum is brain dead… for some reason they are not able to see the deep insight and expertise that you sj offer in financial and economic matters.
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Yes trade is one of the things its after but to help with the bailout China wants the ability to buy into strategic high tech industries.
(sj, 3 November 2011 22:57)

Here I tend to disagree. According to many posters in these forums, China is a great and advanced superpower and does not need EU/US’s decaying technology (Where is this superior US technology? You correctly asked in another forum on 2 November 2011 14:03). Instead, I and many other posters here think China’s top national priority is to help Serbia win Kosovo and China can’t sleep at night until that is achieved. That’s why is giving money to the West in order to condition them not to help Kosovo.
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Of all the western countries then only one in good shape is Australia with a national debt of 2% unlike the US which has a debt of 120% and rising. In fact it actual debt is 47 trillion with unfunded liabilities totalling 115 trillion. It is now buying its own bonds through dummy companies in the Caymans and Bermuda.
(sj, 3 November 2011 22:57)

Those Americans that earn 6x more than the average Chinese. I fully agree with you sj that Americans should take example from China in order to enjoy the privilege of living in poverty.