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Saturday, 29.10.2011.

12:34

N. Kosovo Serbs set up new barricade near crossing

Northern Kosovo Serbs set up a new barricade on the Ribariće-Zubin Potok road leading to the Brnjak administrative crossing on Saturday.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The starting point is that there is a lot of smuggling across all Kosovo borders, including arms and drugs, which neither Prishtina, nor KFOR cares about.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

I think they do care about that. In any case, if you have a diverging opinion, you are free to send a petition to the KFOR's superior, the UNSC, to make KFOR care about it.
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The only thing they care is implementation of embargo on goods coming from Serbia through central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

KFOR has repeatedly said that the border crossings are open. Now, if some people in N. Kosovo erect barricades and have cut off Kosovo from Serbia, that is not KFOR's direct fault. But I agree with you that KFOR should intervene more strongly to ensure that no embargo is caused by the barricades.
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NATO officials bombed Serbia without any UN approval, now they officially say they can act however they want without any UNSC permission, so they are going to do what they consider is right.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

No UN approval was needed for NATO to bomb Serbia. Who told you that ?
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Let they understand that collecting taxes on goods entering Northern Kosovo from central Serbia isn't right thing to do
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

Whether it is right or wrong I don't know. What I know is that it is the UNMIK Regulation 3 of 1999 that says so; it's The Law. If you disagree, than discuss the matter with Russia, China and the others in the UNSC so that the UNSC, as UNMIK's superior, can order UNMIK to change Regulation 3 of 1999.
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that such "agreement" was signed (if at all) by Serbia under threat of carpet bombing.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

I'm not aware of any agreement; I don't think any agreement exists. And, in any case does not matter. It is UNMIK Regulations that count; not agreements or non-agreements.
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Collecting taxes is not salvation of poor Kosovo Albanans from "genocide", so let NATO/KFOR relex a little bit over the issue. I can guarantee Russia and China won't be offended.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

Ok, I see. Having established that the collection of customs taxes are not illegal but, to the countrary, they are mandatory under UNMIK regulations, now the question turns on whether those regulations can be violated. Well, that is The Law, my friend. Resolution 1244 is in force and UNMIK Regulations have to be implemented. And I'm sure that Russia and China will be deeply offended if 1244 is not implemented. Haven't you seen the Russian Foreign Ministry denounce every other week violations of 1244. So they are closely monitoring the implementation of 1244 and I'm sure that no international official in Kosovo would like to lose his or her job for not implementing 1244.
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How about countries which keep silence about Kosovo recognition and, according to you, might have recognized Kosovo by default. Where are their full functional embassies in Kosovo?
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

No Sir, I did not say that countries which keep silence about whether Kosovo is still part of Serbia or not, have recognized Kosovo. I did not take either position. My position is that, by default, "Yes" means "Yes", "No" means "No" and silence means silence. As for the embassies, not sure what your point is. Are you saying that only 60-70 countries recognize Serbia because that is more or less the number of foreign embassies in Belgrade ?!

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Albanian custom officers are sent to implement trade embargo.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 21:36)

Nope; who told you that ? Where did you see that ? Kosovo’s Customs employees of any ethnicity are there to collect the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in regulation 3 of 1999. If the documentation shows that the goods are made in Serbia, they will be allowed to enter Kosovo without paying any customs taxes as provided by CEFTA agreements (the same way that goods made in Kosovo, if any, are allowed to enter Serbia tax-free). If they are not made in CEFTA countries, they will pay the customs tax as decided by UNMIK.
(icj)

BBC, adriatik and common sense told me that. For your enlightening:
Previously, the border posts had been guarded by ethnic Serb members of the Kosovan police, whom the ethnic Albanian government in Pristina suspected of turning a blind eye to a ban on imports from Serbia.
Kosovo's import ban was imposed in response to Belgrade's effective bar on imports from Kosovo, imposed when the territory unilaterally declared independence from Serbia in 2008.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14943576

And how about embassedors to Kosovo from those countries which according to you might recognize Kosovo by default just by keeping silence?

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

the starting point; anything that enters Kosovo without paying customs taxes as decided by UNMIK in 1999 (long before any discussion about status) is smuggling. It does not matter what you call the line that divides Kosovo and Serbia; border, administrative line, virtual line, nothing, etc., etc., etc.... It does not matter whether Kosovo is a state, a provice, a region, a town or a village of Serbia.

If goods enter the territory of Kosovo (regardless of name given to Kosovo's status or the name given to Kosovo's perimeter) they are subject to the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in 1999. Just in case you have forgotten, I remind you that resolution 1244 is still in force.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 01:59)

The starting point is that there is a lot of smuggling across all Kosovo borders, including arms and drugs, which neither Prishtina, nor KFOR cares about. The only thing they care is implementation of embargo on goods coming from Serbia through central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border. Selective implementation of low at least.

NATO officials bombed Serbia without any UN approval, now they officially say they can act however they want without any UNSC permission, so they are going to do what they consider is right. Let they understand that collecting taxes on goods entering Northern Kosovo from central Serbia isn't right thing to do, that such "agreement" was signed (if at all) by Serbia under threat of carpet bombing. Collecting taxes is not salvation of poor Kosovo Albanans from "genocide", so let NATO/KFOR relex a little bit over the issue. I can guarantee Russia and China won't be offended.

How about countries which keep silence about Kosovo recognition and, according to you, might have recognized Kosovo by default. Where are their full functional embassies in Kosovo?

really

pre 12 godina

Trust me, the Albanians living in Southern Serbia have far greater rights then any Serbs living in Kosovo
(New Zealander, 29 October 2011 23:23)
Yeah they are allowed to bow to their Serbian masters and to you that is an honor bestowed on the Serbian Albanians

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57)


Aaayyy,
Using the same logic, could exports from Kosovo be blocked for 3 years by an "administrative line"? Serbia's blocking of "exports" from Kosovo at the "administrative line" clearly implies that:
1) the "administrative line" is really a border.
2) the "exports" being blocked are from a different country (otherwise they wouldn't be exports).

icj1

pre 12 godina

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57)

You convoluted analysis misses the starting point; anything that enters Kosovo without paying customs taxes as decided by UNMIK in 1999 (long before any discussion about status) is smuggling. It does not matter what you call the line that divides Kosovo and Serbia; border, administrative line, virtual line, nothing, etc., etc., etc.... It does not matter whether Kosovo is a state, a provice, a region, a town or a village of Serbia.

If goods enter the territory of Kosovo (regardless of name given to Kosovo's status or the name given to Kosovo's perimeter) they are subject to the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in 1999. Just in case you have forgotten, I remind you that resolution 1244 is still in force.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57

Here we go once again you pseudo Serb scientist try to interfere with law to come up with some explanation of reality.

CHALLENGE: Provide proof that EULEX, ICO, KFOR, or UNMIK has to be status neutral.

I would love to read the part in UN1244 where it reads that any mission needs to be status neutral.
Thanks,

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

K-Serbs of north Kosova I think that you will not arrive the main goal to damage Kosova indipendence. The only thing that you will do will slow the Kosova development and I assure you that Kosova is your country forever. In that way you slow your own development, block Serbia integration in EU and block Kosova(your own country) integration in EU.Between constructive destructive aproach you chosee the second one. If you see this like conflict of two nations, Serbs and Albanians I assure you that your behaivor damage all Serbs in Balcan and only K-Albanians in Balcan. If I like Albanian of Albania i will be cinic with my brothers in Kosova I wish that you block as more as you can the Kosova and Serbia EU integration, cause economicaly for us in Albania this is a profitable situation.So you understand that "constructing" barricade is not "constructing" aproach.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Same rights for Serbs living in norther Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Understand? Razumjes?
(EA, 29 October 2011 14:57)

Trust me, the Albanians living in Southern Serbia have far greater rights then any Serbs living in Kosovo

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Go and get a real job and generate revenue for a real cause, not an organisation like NATO.

All NATO workers are pu**** who just like to hold big guns like toys.

1-1 us Serbs put you American/German/UK soldiers to shame.

We have a stronger heart & much stronger spirit and that's why you can never defeat us. You can't gain this, you are BORN with this.

Zivela Srbija! Само Слога Србина Спасава!

EA

pre 12 godina

It seems that some people haven't got anything else to do with their live but have the addiction of building barricades. STOP CUDDLING THEM...or let them enjoy until the winter starts. There will no change of borders in Kosovo. Kosovo situation is a production of former Yugoslavia and the "the real" Serbian leader Milloshevic. So enough is enough...Same rights for Serbs living in norther Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Understand? Razumjes?

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

We saw the way the lengths to which the Serbian Government went to prevent any Symbol of State from even being inferred with regards to the Kosovo Albanian Customs Stamps.

What this means is that we should see at least the same zeal, if not more zeal from the Serbian Government over the two Inspection Gates at Brnjak and Jarinje with regards to having Albanian Customs Officers there.

This raises the Legitimate Question as to whether there was a Conspiracy between America, KFOR, EULUX, the Albanian Authorities in Pristina.

Pristina said that they were acting in terms of the Agreement that had already been reached with Belgrade, but the Chief Negotiator Borislav Stefanovic has denied that Allegation.

It is obvious to everyone that a Secret Conspiracy between America, KFOR, EULUX, and the Kosovo Albanian Leadership to break the Law, because this has been Standard Procedure for these People.

This is because KFOR which is meant to be Status Neutral and uphold United Nations Security Council Resolutions assisted the Albanian Customs Officers, and EULUX which is meant to be Status Neutral and Uphold the Law, is reluctant to send the Albanian Customs Officers back to Pristina where they belong.

The term EULUX stands for European Union Law and Order Mission, and we can see how we should not pay too much attention to many of the Titles that the European Union uses to deceive People.

Another Example of the EULUX is that they are have not charged anyone in KFOR, or the Kosovo Albanian Government with Conspiring to commit a Crime, and they have not charged them with committing the Crime of placing Unauthorized Kosovo Albanian Customs Officers at the Two Inspection Gates at Brnjak and Jarinje, but EULUX is covering up these Crimes, and Protecting Criminals.

EULUX Prosecutors issued a warrant seeking the arrest of one Serbian Businessman on False Charges of smuggling and tax evasion earlier this year.

The Reason that they are False Charges is because a person cannot smuggle in his own Country, and if he is Guilty of Tax Evasion, then it is up to Serbian Taxation Department to investigate, and not EULUX.

The Special Court in Belgrade recently sentenced a Serbian Businessman for cigarette smuggling from the Country of FYROM to the Country of Serbia with the help of Federal Customs Administration Workers.

There are many People who think that Albanian Customs Workers could be more Corrupt and Greedy, and this is why Albanian Smugglers who use the North Kosovo and Serbian Administrative line for Smuggling do not like Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative inspection Gates of Brnjak and Jarinje.

The Kosovo Albanian Parliament in Pristina passed a Motion saying that they want the European Union Mediated Talks to continue.

If the Kosovo Albanians wish to be Credible, and if the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo want People to be believe that they do not want the Talks simply as a cover for their continued Violent Actions against the Non-Albanians of Kosovo, then they must not have Kosovo Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje.

This is because, even before the European Union Mediated Talks began, one Condition that both the Albanians and the Serbs agreed to, was that during these Talks, there would be no mention of the Status of Kosovo, and that both sides agreed that they would not do anything to change the situation on the ground by using any Unilateral steps, and the Kosovo Albanians have not kept their word.

If the Kosovo Albanians do not keep their word, then the International Community knows that they are scheming to commit acts of Violence against Innocent People.

The Albanians of Kosovo should show the entire World; and the European Union that they are at least sensible enough to make it appear as though Pristina wants these Talks to be Genuine, by removing all Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje, because it is Illegal to have them there.

It is against UNSC Resolution 1244; it is against the Signed Agreement that allows EULUX to function in Northern Kosovo, and it is against United Nations Secretary General Ban ki-Moon’s Six Point Plan for Kosovo, which was passed by the United Nations Security Council.

The Six Point Plan for Kosovo states that those two Gates of Brnjak and Jarinje should be different than the others, and they should Only have International Customs presence there, and all revenues collected at those two gates can only be used for the Municipalities in North of Kosovo.

I think that there is more than enough Evidence to Prove beyond any shadow of a doubt, that KFOR and EULUX cannot be trusted, and all European Countries should ask Albania to leave its WW 2 Greater Albania aspiration in the past where it truly belongs.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"N. Kosovo Serbs set up new barricade near crossing"

I must say that I do admire the tenacity of these K-Serbs against their relatively-armed-to-the-teeth KFOR opponents.

bulgar of ohrid

pre 12 godina

Dont these people take no for an answer?

No to Pristine rule
No to wahabbis

What do bosnia, kosovo, afganistan, Libya, iraq, egypt and soon syria have? Drug running islsmists as government implemented by us NATO.. its fine and all, they can have their states, but please understand that serbs dont want to live in such states..

Keep up the barricades, look what happen in sarejevo, the serbs are right in being scared..

lowe

pre 12 godina

"N. Kosovo Serbs set up new barricade near crossing"

I must say that I do admire the tenacity of these K-Serbs against their relatively-armed-to-the-teeth KFOR opponents.

bulgar of ohrid

pre 12 godina

Dont these people take no for an answer?

No to Pristine rule
No to wahabbis

What do bosnia, kosovo, afganistan, Libya, iraq, egypt and soon syria have? Drug running islsmists as government implemented by us NATO.. its fine and all, they can have their states, but please understand that serbs dont want to live in such states..

Keep up the barricades, look what happen in sarejevo, the serbs are right in being scared..

trizo

pre 12 godina

Go and get a real job and generate revenue for a real cause, not an organisation like NATO.

All NATO workers are pu**** who just like to hold big guns like toys.

1-1 us Serbs put you American/German/UK soldiers to shame.

We have a stronger heart & much stronger spirit and that's why you can never defeat us. You can't gain this, you are BORN with this.

Zivela Srbija! Само Слога Србина Спасава!

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

We saw the way the lengths to which the Serbian Government went to prevent any Symbol of State from even being inferred with regards to the Kosovo Albanian Customs Stamps.

What this means is that we should see at least the same zeal, if not more zeal from the Serbian Government over the two Inspection Gates at Brnjak and Jarinje with regards to having Albanian Customs Officers there.

This raises the Legitimate Question as to whether there was a Conspiracy between America, KFOR, EULUX, the Albanian Authorities in Pristina.

Pristina said that they were acting in terms of the Agreement that had already been reached with Belgrade, but the Chief Negotiator Borislav Stefanovic has denied that Allegation.

It is obvious to everyone that a Secret Conspiracy between America, KFOR, EULUX, and the Kosovo Albanian Leadership to break the Law, because this has been Standard Procedure for these People.

This is because KFOR which is meant to be Status Neutral and uphold United Nations Security Council Resolutions assisted the Albanian Customs Officers, and EULUX which is meant to be Status Neutral and Uphold the Law, is reluctant to send the Albanian Customs Officers back to Pristina where they belong.

The term EULUX stands for European Union Law and Order Mission, and we can see how we should not pay too much attention to many of the Titles that the European Union uses to deceive People.

Another Example of the EULUX is that they are have not charged anyone in KFOR, or the Kosovo Albanian Government with Conspiring to commit a Crime, and they have not charged them with committing the Crime of placing Unauthorized Kosovo Albanian Customs Officers at the Two Inspection Gates at Brnjak and Jarinje, but EULUX is covering up these Crimes, and Protecting Criminals.

EULUX Prosecutors issued a warrant seeking the arrest of one Serbian Businessman on False Charges of smuggling and tax evasion earlier this year.

The Reason that they are False Charges is because a person cannot smuggle in his own Country, and if he is Guilty of Tax Evasion, then it is up to Serbian Taxation Department to investigate, and not EULUX.

The Special Court in Belgrade recently sentenced a Serbian Businessman for cigarette smuggling from the Country of FYROM to the Country of Serbia with the help of Federal Customs Administration Workers.

There are many People who think that Albanian Customs Workers could be more Corrupt and Greedy, and this is why Albanian Smugglers who use the North Kosovo and Serbian Administrative line for Smuggling do not like Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative inspection Gates of Brnjak and Jarinje.

The Kosovo Albanian Parliament in Pristina passed a Motion saying that they want the European Union Mediated Talks to continue.

If the Kosovo Albanians wish to be Credible, and if the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo want People to be believe that they do not want the Talks simply as a cover for their continued Violent Actions against the Non-Albanians of Kosovo, then they must not have Kosovo Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje.

This is because, even before the European Union Mediated Talks began, one Condition that both the Albanians and the Serbs agreed to, was that during these Talks, there would be no mention of the Status of Kosovo, and that both sides agreed that they would not do anything to change the situation on the ground by using any Unilateral steps, and the Kosovo Albanians have not kept their word.

If the Kosovo Albanians do not keep their word, then the International Community knows that they are scheming to commit acts of Violence against Innocent People.

The Albanians of Kosovo should show the entire World; and the European Union that they are at least sensible enough to make it appear as though Pristina wants these Talks to be Genuine, by removing all Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje, because it is Illegal to have them there.

It is against UNSC Resolution 1244; it is against the Signed Agreement that allows EULUX to function in Northern Kosovo, and it is against United Nations Secretary General Ban ki-Moon’s Six Point Plan for Kosovo, which was passed by the United Nations Security Council.

The Six Point Plan for Kosovo states that those two Gates of Brnjak and Jarinje should be different than the others, and they should Only have International Customs presence there, and all revenues collected at those two gates can only be used for the Municipalities in North of Kosovo.

I think that there is more than enough Evidence to Prove beyond any shadow of a doubt, that KFOR and EULUX cannot be trusted, and all European Countries should ask Albania to leave its WW 2 Greater Albania aspiration in the past where it truly belongs.

EA

pre 12 godina

It seems that some people haven't got anything else to do with their live but have the addiction of building barricades. STOP CUDDLING THEM...or let them enjoy until the winter starts. There will no change of borders in Kosovo. Kosovo situation is a production of former Yugoslavia and the "the real" Serbian leader Milloshevic. So enough is enough...Same rights for Serbs living in norther Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Understand? Razumjes?

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Same rights for Serbs living in norther Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Understand? Razumjes?
(EA, 29 October 2011 14:57)

Trust me, the Albanians living in Southern Serbia have far greater rights then any Serbs living in Kosovo

really

pre 12 godina

Trust me, the Albanians living in Southern Serbia have far greater rights then any Serbs living in Kosovo
(New Zealander, 29 October 2011 23:23)
Yeah they are allowed to bow to their Serbian masters and to you that is an honor bestowed on the Serbian Albanians

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

the starting point; anything that enters Kosovo without paying customs taxes as decided by UNMIK in 1999 (long before any discussion about status) is smuggling. It does not matter what you call the line that divides Kosovo and Serbia; border, administrative line, virtual line, nothing, etc., etc., etc.... It does not matter whether Kosovo is a state, a provice, a region, a town or a village of Serbia.

If goods enter the territory of Kosovo (regardless of name given to Kosovo's status or the name given to Kosovo's perimeter) they are subject to the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in 1999. Just in case you have forgotten, I remind you that resolution 1244 is still in force.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 01:59)

The starting point is that there is a lot of smuggling across all Kosovo borders, including arms and drugs, which neither Prishtina, nor KFOR cares about. The only thing they care is implementation of embargo on goods coming from Serbia through central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border. Selective implementation of low at least.

NATO officials bombed Serbia without any UN approval, now they officially say they can act however they want without any UNSC permission, so they are going to do what they consider is right. Let they understand that collecting taxes on goods entering Northern Kosovo from central Serbia isn't right thing to do, that such "agreement" was signed (if at all) by Serbia under threat of carpet bombing. Collecting taxes is not salvation of poor Kosovo Albanans from "genocide", so let NATO/KFOR relex a little bit over the issue. I can guarantee Russia and China won't be offended.

How about countries which keep silence about Kosovo recognition and, according to you, might have recognized Kosovo by default. Where are their full functional embassies in Kosovo?

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57)


Aaayyy,
Using the same logic, could exports from Kosovo be blocked for 3 years by an "administrative line"? Serbia's blocking of "exports" from Kosovo at the "administrative line" clearly implies that:
1) the "administrative line" is really a border.
2) the "exports" being blocked are from a different country (otherwise they wouldn't be exports).

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

K-Serbs of north Kosova I think that you will not arrive the main goal to damage Kosova indipendence. The only thing that you will do will slow the Kosova development and I assure you that Kosova is your country forever. In that way you slow your own development, block Serbia integration in EU and block Kosova(your own country) integration in EU.Between constructive destructive aproach you chosee the second one. If you see this like conflict of two nations, Serbs and Albanians I assure you that your behaivor damage all Serbs in Balcan and only K-Albanians in Balcan. If I like Albanian of Albania i will be cinic with my brothers in Kosova I wish that you block as more as you can the Kosova and Serbia EU integration, cause economicaly for us in Albania this is a profitable situation.So you understand that "constructing" barricade is not "constructing" aproach.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57

Here we go once again you pseudo Serb scientist try to interfere with law to come up with some explanation of reality.

CHALLENGE: Provide proof that EULEX, ICO, KFOR, or UNMIK has to be status neutral.

I would love to read the part in UN1244 where it reads that any mission needs to be status neutral.
Thanks,

icj1

pre 12 godina

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57)

You convoluted analysis misses the starting point; anything that enters Kosovo without paying customs taxes as decided by UNMIK in 1999 (long before any discussion about status) is smuggling. It does not matter what you call the line that divides Kosovo and Serbia; border, administrative line, virtual line, nothing, etc., etc., etc.... It does not matter whether Kosovo is a state, a provice, a region, a town or a village of Serbia.

If goods enter the territory of Kosovo (regardless of name given to Kosovo's status or the name given to Kosovo's perimeter) they are subject to the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in 1999. Just in case you have forgotten, I remind you that resolution 1244 is still in force.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Albanian custom officers are sent to implement trade embargo.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 21:36)

Nope; who told you that ? Where did you see that ? Kosovo’s Customs employees of any ethnicity are there to collect the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in regulation 3 of 1999. If the documentation shows that the goods are made in Serbia, they will be allowed to enter Kosovo without paying any customs taxes as provided by CEFTA agreements (the same way that goods made in Kosovo, if any, are allowed to enter Serbia tax-free). If they are not made in CEFTA countries, they will pay the customs tax as decided by UNMIK.
(icj)

BBC, adriatik and common sense told me that. For your enlightening:
Previously, the border posts had been guarded by ethnic Serb members of the Kosovan police, whom the ethnic Albanian government in Pristina suspected of turning a blind eye to a ban on imports from Serbia.
Kosovo's import ban was imposed in response to Belgrade's effective bar on imports from Kosovo, imposed when the territory unilaterally declared independence from Serbia in 2008.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14943576

And how about embassedors to Kosovo from those countries which according to you might recognize Kosovo by default just by keeping silence?

icj1

pre 12 godina

The starting point is that there is a lot of smuggling across all Kosovo borders, including arms and drugs, which neither Prishtina, nor KFOR cares about.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

I think they do care about that. In any case, if you have a diverging opinion, you are free to send a petition to the KFOR's superior, the UNSC, to make KFOR care about it.
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The only thing they care is implementation of embargo on goods coming from Serbia through central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

KFOR has repeatedly said that the border crossings are open. Now, if some people in N. Kosovo erect barricades and have cut off Kosovo from Serbia, that is not KFOR's direct fault. But I agree with you that KFOR should intervene more strongly to ensure that no embargo is caused by the barricades.
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NATO officials bombed Serbia without any UN approval, now they officially say they can act however they want without any UNSC permission, so they are going to do what they consider is right.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

No UN approval was needed for NATO to bomb Serbia. Who told you that ?
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Let they understand that collecting taxes on goods entering Northern Kosovo from central Serbia isn't right thing to do
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

Whether it is right or wrong I don't know. What I know is that it is the UNMIK Regulation 3 of 1999 that says so; it's The Law. If you disagree, than discuss the matter with Russia, China and the others in the UNSC so that the UNSC, as UNMIK's superior, can order UNMIK to change Regulation 3 of 1999.
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that such "agreement" was signed (if at all) by Serbia under threat of carpet bombing.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

I'm not aware of any agreement; I don't think any agreement exists. And, in any case does not matter. It is UNMIK Regulations that count; not agreements or non-agreements.
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Collecting taxes is not salvation of poor Kosovo Albanans from "genocide", so let NATO/KFOR relex a little bit over the issue. I can guarantee Russia and China won't be offended.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

Ok, I see. Having established that the collection of customs taxes are not illegal but, to the countrary, they are mandatory under UNMIK regulations, now the question turns on whether those regulations can be violated. Well, that is The Law, my friend. Resolution 1244 is in force and UNMIK Regulations have to be implemented. And I'm sure that Russia and China will be deeply offended if 1244 is not implemented. Haven't you seen the Russian Foreign Ministry denounce every other week violations of 1244. So they are closely monitoring the implementation of 1244 and I'm sure that no international official in Kosovo would like to lose his or her job for not implementing 1244.
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How about countries which keep silence about Kosovo recognition and, according to you, might have recognized Kosovo by default. Where are their full functional embassies in Kosovo?
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

No Sir, I did not say that countries which keep silence about whether Kosovo is still part of Serbia or not, have recognized Kosovo. I did not take either position. My position is that, by default, "Yes" means "Yes", "No" means "No" and silence means silence. As for the embassies, not sure what your point is. Are you saying that only 60-70 countries recognize Serbia because that is more or less the number of foreign embassies in Belgrade ?!

EA

pre 12 godina

It seems that some people haven't got anything else to do with their live but have the addiction of building barricades. STOP CUDDLING THEM...or let them enjoy until the winter starts. There will no change of borders in Kosovo. Kosovo situation is a production of former Yugoslavia and the "the real" Serbian leader Milloshevic. So enough is enough...Same rights for Serbs living in norther Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Understand? Razumjes?

bulgar of ohrid

pre 12 godina

Dont these people take no for an answer?

No to Pristine rule
No to wahabbis

What do bosnia, kosovo, afganistan, Libya, iraq, egypt and soon syria have? Drug running islsmists as government implemented by us NATO.. its fine and all, they can have their states, but please understand that serbs dont want to live in such states..

Keep up the barricades, look what happen in sarejevo, the serbs are right in being scared..

trizo

pre 12 godina

Go and get a real job and generate revenue for a real cause, not an organisation like NATO.

All NATO workers are pu**** who just like to hold big guns like toys.

1-1 us Serbs put you American/German/UK soldiers to shame.

We have a stronger heart & much stronger spirit and that's why you can never defeat us. You can't gain this, you are BORN with this.

Zivela Srbija! Само Слога Србина Спасава!

lowe

pre 12 godina

"N. Kosovo Serbs set up new barricade near crossing"

I must say that I do admire the tenacity of these K-Serbs against their relatively-armed-to-the-teeth KFOR opponents.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

We saw the way the lengths to which the Serbian Government went to prevent any Symbol of State from even being inferred with regards to the Kosovo Albanian Customs Stamps.

What this means is that we should see at least the same zeal, if not more zeal from the Serbian Government over the two Inspection Gates at Brnjak and Jarinje with regards to having Albanian Customs Officers there.

This raises the Legitimate Question as to whether there was a Conspiracy between America, KFOR, EULUX, the Albanian Authorities in Pristina.

Pristina said that they were acting in terms of the Agreement that had already been reached with Belgrade, but the Chief Negotiator Borislav Stefanovic has denied that Allegation.

It is obvious to everyone that a Secret Conspiracy between America, KFOR, EULUX, and the Kosovo Albanian Leadership to break the Law, because this has been Standard Procedure for these People.

This is because KFOR which is meant to be Status Neutral and uphold United Nations Security Council Resolutions assisted the Albanian Customs Officers, and EULUX which is meant to be Status Neutral and Uphold the Law, is reluctant to send the Albanian Customs Officers back to Pristina where they belong.

The term EULUX stands for European Union Law and Order Mission, and we can see how we should not pay too much attention to many of the Titles that the European Union uses to deceive People.

Another Example of the EULUX is that they are have not charged anyone in KFOR, or the Kosovo Albanian Government with Conspiring to commit a Crime, and they have not charged them with committing the Crime of placing Unauthorized Kosovo Albanian Customs Officers at the Two Inspection Gates at Brnjak and Jarinje, but EULUX is covering up these Crimes, and Protecting Criminals.

EULUX Prosecutors issued a warrant seeking the arrest of one Serbian Businessman on False Charges of smuggling and tax evasion earlier this year.

The Reason that they are False Charges is because a person cannot smuggle in his own Country, and if he is Guilty of Tax Evasion, then it is up to Serbian Taxation Department to investigate, and not EULUX.

The Special Court in Belgrade recently sentenced a Serbian Businessman for cigarette smuggling from the Country of FYROM to the Country of Serbia with the help of Federal Customs Administration Workers.

There are many People who think that Albanian Customs Workers could be more Corrupt and Greedy, and this is why Albanian Smugglers who use the North Kosovo and Serbian Administrative line for Smuggling do not like Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative inspection Gates of Brnjak and Jarinje.

The Kosovo Albanian Parliament in Pristina passed a Motion saying that they want the European Union Mediated Talks to continue.

If the Kosovo Albanians wish to be Credible, and if the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo want People to be believe that they do not want the Talks simply as a cover for their continued Violent Actions against the Non-Albanians of Kosovo, then they must not have Kosovo Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje.

This is because, even before the European Union Mediated Talks began, one Condition that both the Albanians and the Serbs agreed to, was that during these Talks, there would be no mention of the Status of Kosovo, and that both sides agreed that they would not do anything to change the situation on the ground by using any Unilateral steps, and the Kosovo Albanians have not kept their word.

If the Kosovo Albanians do not keep their word, then the International Community knows that they are scheming to commit acts of Violence against Innocent People.

The Albanians of Kosovo should show the entire World; and the European Union that they are at least sensible enough to make it appear as though Pristina wants these Talks to be Genuine, by removing all Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje, because it is Illegal to have them there.

It is against UNSC Resolution 1244; it is against the Signed Agreement that allows EULUX to function in Northern Kosovo, and it is against United Nations Secretary General Ban ki-Moon’s Six Point Plan for Kosovo, which was passed by the United Nations Security Council.

The Six Point Plan for Kosovo states that those two Gates of Brnjak and Jarinje should be different than the others, and they should Only have International Customs presence there, and all revenues collected at those two gates can only be used for the Municipalities in North of Kosovo.

I think that there is more than enough Evidence to Prove beyond any shadow of a doubt, that KFOR and EULUX cannot be trusted, and all European Countries should ask Albania to leave its WW 2 Greater Albania aspiration in the past where it truly belongs.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57

Here we go once again you pseudo Serb scientist try to interfere with law to come up with some explanation of reality.

CHALLENGE: Provide proof that EULEX, ICO, KFOR, or UNMIK has to be status neutral.

I would love to read the part in UN1244 where it reads that any mission needs to be status neutral.
Thanks,

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

K-Serbs of north Kosova I think that you will not arrive the main goal to damage Kosova indipendence. The only thing that you will do will slow the Kosova development and I assure you that Kosova is your country forever. In that way you slow your own development, block Serbia integration in EU and block Kosova(your own country) integration in EU.Between constructive destructive aproach you chosee the second one. If you see this like conflict of two nations, Serbs and Albanians I assure you that your behaivor damage all Serbs in Balcan and only K-Albanians in Balcan. If I like Albanian of Albania i will be cinic with my brothers in Kosova I wish that you block as more as you can the Kosova and Serbia EU integration, cause economicaly for us in Albania this is a profitable situation.So you understand that "constructing" barricade is not "constructing" aproach.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57)

You convoluted analysis misses the starting point; anything that enters Kosovo without paying customs taxes as decided by UNMIK in 1999 (long before any discussion about status) is smuggling. It does not matter what you call the line that divides Kosovo and Serbia; border, administrative line, virtual line, nothing, etc., etc., etc.... It does not matter whether Kosovo is a state, a provice, a region, a town or a village of Serbia.

If goods enter the territory of Kosovo (regardless of name given to Kosovo's status or the name given to Kosovo's perimeter) they are subject to the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in 1999. Just in case you have forgotten, I remind you that resolution 1244 is still in force.

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 20:57)


Aaayyy,
Using the same logic, could exports from Kosovo be blocked for 3 years by an "administrative line"? Serbia's blocking of "exports" from Kosovo at the "administrative line" clearly implies that:
1) the "administrative line" is really a border.
2) the "exports" being blocked are from a different country (otherwise they wouldn't be exports).

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

the starting point; anything that enters Kosovo without paying customs taxes as decided by UNMIK in 1999 (long before any discussion about status) is smuggling. It does not matter what you call the line that divides Kosovo and Serbia; border, administrative line, virtual line, nothing, etc., etc., etc.... It does not matter whether Kosovo is a state, a provice, a region, a town or a village of Serbia.

If goods enter the territory of Kosovo (regardless of name given to Kosovo's status or the name given to Kosovo's perimeter) they are subject to the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in 1999. Just in case you have forgotten, I remind you that resolution 1244 is still in force.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 01:59)

The starting point is that there is a lot of smuggling across all Kosovo borders, including arms and drugs, which neither Prishtina, nor KFOR cares about. The only thing they care is implementation of embargo on goods coming from Serbia through central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border. Selective implementation of low at least.

NATO officials bombed Serbia without any UN approval, now they officially say they can act however they want without any UNSC permission, so they are going to do what they consider is right. Let they understand that collecting taxes on goods entering Northern Kosovo from central Serbia isn't right thing to do, that such "agreement" was signed (if at all) by Serbia under threat of carpet bombing. Collecting taxes is not salvation of poor Kosovo Albanans from "genocide", so let NATO/KFOR relex a little bit over the issue. I can guarantee Russia and China won't be offended.

How about countries which keep silence about Kosovo recognition and, according to you, might have recognized Kosovo by default. Where are their full functional embassies in Kosovo?

really

pre 12 godina

Trust me, the Albanians living in Southern Serbia have far greater rights then any Serbs living in Kosovo
(New Zealander, 29 October 2011 23:23)
Yeah they are allowed to bow to their Serbian masters and to you that is an honor bestowed on the Serbian Albanians

icj1

pre 12 godina

The starting point is that there is a lot of smuggling across all Kosovo borders, including arms and drugs, which neither Prishtina, nor KFOR cares about.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

I think they do care about that. In any case, if you have a diverging opinion, you are free to send a petition to the KFOR's superior, the UNSC, to make KFOR care about it.
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The only thing they care is implementation of embargo on goods coming from Serbia through central Serbia-Northern Kosovo border.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

KFOR has repeatedly said that the border crossings are open. Now, if some people in N. Kosovo erect barricades and have cut off Kosovo from Serbia, that is not KFOR's direct fault. But I agree with you that KFOR should intervene more strongly to ensure that no embargo is caused by the barricades.
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NATO officials bombed Serbia without any UN approval, now they officially say they can act however they want without any UNSC permission, so they are going to do what they consider is right.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

No UN approval was needed for NATO to bomb Serbia. Who told you that ?
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Let they understand that collecting taxes on goods entering Northern Kosovo from central Serbia isn't right thing to do
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

Whether it is right or wrong I don't know. What I know is that it is the UNMIK Regulation 3 of 1999 that says so; it's The Law. If you disagree, than discuss the matter with Russia, China and the others in the UNSC so that the UNSC, as UNMIK's superior, can order UNMIK to change Regulation 3 of 1999.
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that such "agreement" was signed (if at all) by Serbia under threat of carpet bombing.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

I'm not aware of any agreement; I don't think any agreement exists. And, in any case does not matter. It is UNMIK Regulations that count; not agreements or non-agreements.
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Collecting taxes is not salvation of poor Kosovo Albanans from "genocide", so let NATO/KFOR relex a little bit over the issue. I can guarantee Russia and China won't be offended.
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

Ok, I see. Having established that the collection of customs taxes are not illegal but, to the countrary, they are mandatory under UNMIK regulations, now the question turns on whether those regulations can be violated. Well, that is The Law, my friend. Resolution 1244 is in force and UNMIK Regulations have to be implemented. And I'm sure that Russia and China will be deeply offended if 1244 is not implemented. Haven't you seen the Russian Foreign Ministry denounce every other week violations of 1244. So they are closely monitoring the implementation of 1244 and I'm sure that no international official in Kosovo would like to lose his or her job for not implementing 1244.
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How about countries which keep silence about Kosovo recognition and, according to you, might have recognized Kosovo by default. Where are their full functional embassies in Kosovo?
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 14:34)

No Sir, I did not say that countries which keep silence about whether Kosovo is still part of Serbia or not, have recognized Kosovo. I did not take either position. My position is that, by default, "Yes" means "Yes", "No" means "No" and silence means silence. As for the embassies, not sure what your point is. Are you saying that only 60-70 countries recognize Serbia because that is more or less the number of foreign embassies in Belgrade ?!

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Same rights for Serbs living in norther Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Understand? Razumjes?
(EA, 29 October 2011 14:57)

Trust me, the Albanians living in Southern Serbia have far greater rights then any Serbs living in Kosovo

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Albanian custom officers are sent to implement trade embargo.
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 21:36)

Nope; who told you that ? Where did you see that ? Kosovo’s Customs employees of any ethnicity are there to collect the customs taxes decided by UNMIK in regulation 3 of 1999. If the documentation shows that the goods are made in Serbia, they will be allowed to enter Kosovo without paying any customs taxes as provided by CEFTA agreements (the same way that goods made in Kosovo, if any, are allowed to enter Serbia tax-free). If they are not made in CEFTA countries, they will pay the customs tax as decided by UNMIK.
(icj)

BBC, adriatik and common sense told me that. For your enlightening:
Previously, the border posts had been guarded by ethnic Serb members of the Kosovan police, whom the ethnic Albanian government in Pristina suspected of turning a blind eye to a ban on imports from Serbia.
Kosovo's import ban was imposed in response to Belgrade's effective bar on imports from Kosovo, imposed when the territory unilaterally declared independence from Serbia in 2008.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14943576

And how about embassedors to Kosovo from those countries which according to you might recognize Kosovo by default just by keeping silence?