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Thursday, 27.10.2011.

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KFOR demands “unconditional freedom of movement”

KFOR demands unconditional freedom of movement for its troops, EULEX members, other institutions and citizens, says KFOR Spokesman Uwe Nowitzki.

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n n zeka

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 29 October 2011 11:24)

Kosovo institutions have fully cooperated with Hague so far, Mr Harajdinaj who was a Prime Minister and 2 others are being tried again, second time, because some new evidence came alight.

These people could have tried to hide, but Albanian people would not accept it and they knew that it was time to face justice.

In the history of Hague tribunal for first time this people have been tried twice.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@...Speculating that he is involved on crime and he should be jailed just like that without a proof it can be done under Sharia law but not in Kosovo and Serbia either...

(n n zeka, 28 October 2011 10:35)

Sorry, this is obviously wrong. Once charges are brought against the accused he or she can be detained becuase e.g. of danger of absconding, danger of supression of evidence, risk of threatening of witnesses. That is possible and on trhis basis happening in all countries where the rule of law is implemented. Please think about: Of course, most of the political and military figures accused of war crimes and/or crimes against humanity commited during the last Balkan wars were put in detention as well detention - and some of them have been sitting behind bars for longer period of time already.
You might read the last sentence of your comment BTW ;-)

icj1

pre 12 godina

If EULEX attempts to break their obligations in the way Serbians see it, they get blocked. That's why NATO can go through the barricades but EULEX can't unless they abide by this plan.
(Zoran, 28 October 2011 09:23)

The way Serbians or Albanians see it does not matter at all. What matters is how the UNMIK and UNSC see it. I remind you that 1244 is still in force and requires freedom of movement in Kosovo. Albanians or Serbians can't determine who does get freedom of movement in Kosovo and who does not.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Zoran, you love the Albanian spin, I think you should rename yourself Zoran the web maker as no one can spin like you.
Here is the official UNSC reaction to the UNSG report outlining the 6 point plan and invitation to the EU.
“The Security Council welcomes the Secretary-General’s report on
UNMIK (S/2008/692) dated 24 November 2008 and, taking into account the
positions of Belgrade and Pristina on the report which were reflected in their
respective statements, welcomes their intentions to cooperate with the
international community.
“The Security Council welcomes the cooperation between the UN and
other international actors, within the framework of Security Council
Resolution 1244 (1999), and also welcomes the continuing efforts of the
European Union to advance the European perspective of the whole of the
Western Balkans, thereby making a decisive contribution to regional stability
and prosperity.”
No vote on 6 point plan, no mention of it in the invitation for Eulex, The only ones to cntinually refer to it are the Serbians. So spin away, spin away!

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Let's put this in perspective, Thaci doesn't own Kosovo or Kosovo institution and he never will. He is elected by people of Kosovo, and he is on the spot light for every bad thing happens in there because he is a PM.

If there is proof this guy is involved on any crime please bring it forward this evidence and he will be tried and if found guilty charged and prisoned, if not by Kosovo justice system then Hague Tribunal.

Speculating that he is involved on crime and he should be jailed just like that without a proof it can be done under Sharia law but not in Kosovo and Serbia either.

A lot of people here seem to have a wrong impression of Kosovo and its people. Albanians, Serbs Turkish, Roma, Gorans haven't been there for past 12 years since NATO was involved.

Simply if you haven't got anything to say don't just say something for sake of it.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

there was never any type of vote and the invitation for EULEX to join the UN mission in Kosovo had no mention of 6 point plan, and EULEX stated prior to and following their deployment that they had no obligation to the 6 point plan and it was not part of their overall set up.
(a New Day, 27 October 2011 23:10)
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LOL! I love the Albanian spin on things. I can also state I have no obligations to the laws of this country, it doesn't mean I will get away with breaking them, just as we can see in KiM. If EULEX attempts to break their obligations in the way Serbians see it, they get blocked. That's why NATO can go through the barricades but EULEX can't unless they abide by this plan. Either they become status neutral or they can remain in Albanian sections and mentor their customs people at the borders that separate Albanians from Albanians. EULEX's deployment was based on this six point plan and under the UN umbrella where status neutrality is clearly pointed out. From the Serbian view, even that was a sellout but that is what he currently have.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
(Kosova-USA, 27 October 2011 16:27)
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Well, now you do.

[link]
[link]
[link]
(Zoran, 27 October 2011 20:52)

No sir, we don't - nice try. In case you don't know, the UNSC's website starts with www.un.org and, unfortunately, I did not see that domain in any of the links you provided.

sj

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.
(n n zeka, 27 October 2011 20:40)
Most interested to hear what would happen if NATO leaves. How is Kosov going to stop the Serbs from coming in and taking over????
I am seriously interested to read about it.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.
(n n zeka, 27 October 2011 20:40)

I agree! And it's as sad, too, that Thaci thinks rolling in the North (threatening with 'new operations') with some ROSU troops will improve the situation.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Well, now you do.

[link]
[link]
[link]
(Zoran, 27 October 2011 20:52)
# Comment link

Actually if you review the telecast which is available in the archives you will see that they accepted the "report" but they took no action on anything, there was never any type of vote and the invitation for EULEX to join the UN mission in Kosovo had no mention of 6 point plan, and EULEX stated prior to and following their deployment that they had no obligation to the 6 point plan and it was not part of their overall set up.

But it good to see that Serbs accept the conditions of the 6 point plan that says that ALL of Kosovo will be a single customs unit and that International customs agents were to be returned to gates 1 and 31 same as they were at all the other checkpoints in 2008. However you will find no where that only international agents can be at the checkpoint, and considering that EULEX is a mentor program there would have to be Kosovo agents there to mentor.
It also says that taxes will be collected and discussions there will be discussions on how the money will be used, with SOME of it appropriately going to local community development.
Ban's report also contained annex I which stated that the officials of Kosovo rejected the plan. The report simply outlined the plan and the fact that Belgrade accepted it and Kosovo rejected it. No mention of its implementation has come from either the UN nor Eulex.
However, I think Kosovo should have accepted it because all it really says is dialogue will take place on the 6 subjects, which is what the so called talks that are now arranged through the EU are about.

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
(Kosova-USA, 27 October 2011 16:27)
--
Well, now you do.

http://arirusila.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/un-adopts-6-point-plan-for-kosovo-bye-bye-independence-experiment
http://b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=22&nav_id=76518
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/11/27/feature-02

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Ok my fellow engineer, let's wait 10 years and see where we are. Do you honestly think that the German/US occupying forces will stay in Kosovo forever? Do you think it's sustainable long term? Are you paying any attention to what is going on in the world around you?
Let me enlighten you a bit. Student tuition fees in the US are ridiculous, students are graduating 50k in the hole before they even start their lives. There are 50 million people without health care. Infrastructure is crumbling and needs repair. The debt is 15 trillion and counting. Why is all this happening? All of the money that should be going to these areas is being spent on war, killing machines, defense...the military industrial complex. People are waking up, and eventually the US will pull out of everywhere, they will have no choice. Their empire is going down, just like all empires rise, and then fall.
Europe is basicaly bankrupt and have kicked the can down the road by printing more Euros, but the Eurozone will not survive, that is obvious to anyone who follows the finances. Russia has all the resources the world needs and is in the driver's seat and getting stronger every day.
Kosovo is Serbian land, and Serbs will remain there. The NATO war criminals will not, trust me. We can wait, time is on our side.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 17:21)

Dragan true America has problems so does EU but I am sure you know that CIA funds wars with other means. Many people have counted America down in the past. Regardless this has to do more with situation on the ground as I do speak Serbian as well I read B92 in Serbian more often. just the other day they spoke of Population decline in Serbia that in next 20years there will be only 6million Serbs. Kosovo conflict is been going on since 700s nothing new and this territory has been going back and forth between Serbs and Albanians ever since.

I said in last post that I understand this is emotional for Serbs but its not going to be easy to take Kosovo over just look how hard is to deal with 50K Serbs in Kosovo let alone with millions of Albanians.

When I read B92 in Serbian i see most people are tiered of Kosovo dilema they have no food no prospects for future they do not care about Kosovo.When i covered East Europe for my company i did go to Serbia many times and outside Beograd is horrible and gloom.

I am shoked how most of people who claim demise of USA and Eu they are themselves in US or EU why not move to China or Russia. I lived in Moscow as expat and I know its not a easy palace to live or anything close to what people in this forums seem to describe it as.

I am glad you are fellow engineer with interest in politics do you live in USA? I do as well and I work in power industry what do you do? I see many people here exchange opinions without knowing much about each other.

true passing by

pre 12 godina

So, engineer, you state that NATO is just a contemporary Ottoman Empire. If so, it definitely will end up as the empire, sooner or later.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home.
Cheers!"
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 14:38)

Believe it or not, but:

1. Not 'Germans', but KFOR is demanding freedom of movement for their troops, as guaranteed in UN1244.
2. Kosovo is a territory under UN administration (read UN1244, please) , so it's far from 'Serbian soil'.

Ziveli!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Ok my fellow engineer, let's wait 10 years and see where we are. Do you honestly think that the German/US occupying forces will stay in Kosovo forever? Do you think it's sustainable long term? Are you paying any attention to what is going on in the world around you?
Let me enlighten you a bit. Student tuition fees in the US are ridiculous, students are graduating 50k in the hole before they even start their lives. There are 50 million people without health care. Infrastructure is crumbling and needs repair. The debt is 15 trillion and counting. Why is all this happening? All of the money that should be going to these areas is being spent on war, killing machines, defense...the military industrial complex. People are waking up, and eventually the US will pull out of everywhere, they will have no choice. Their empire is going down, just like all empires rise, and then fall.
Europe is basicaly bankrupt and have kicked the can down the road by printing more Euros, but the Eurozone will not survive, that is obvious to anyone who follows the finances. Russia has all the resources the world needs and is in the driver's seat and getting stronger every day.
Kosovo is Serbian land, and Serbs will remain there. The NATO war criminals will not, trust me. We can wait, time is on our side.
Cheers!!

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

and since the 6 point plan also went through the UNSC, KFOR need to act in a status neutral manner.
(Zoran, 27 October 2011 15:29)

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
Think before you write .

Zoran

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta
--
UNSCR1244 states unrestricted movement for KFOR only. Not for "other institutions" and since the 6 point plan also went through the UNSC, KFOR need to act in a status neutral manner. Now transferring Albanians to administrative border crossings is not status neutral. In the mean time, Serbians are defending the barriers peacefully, which seems to be problematic for NATO. They prefer shooting people but fortunately there are too many cameras watching and too many people ready to spread it around the world.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta news agency.'
Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home. You NATO war criminals will get what the Serbs allow you, and that's it. If you want unconditional movement, go back to the Hofbrahaus.

Cheers!
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 14:38)

Dragan I understand your frustration and it must be hard to swallow someone telling you what to do or not do, however NATO (US, Germany, UK...) have a much better case than 1941. You (your goverment) signed Kumanovo agreement where you gave up meaning you lost the war.

You see Serbia can not fight NATO so they need to withstand their dememnds being maybe unfair and hard to swallow, you can not say Russia will come to our help its like saying ( I will fight you but wait till my brother comes back from University).

Serbs and Albanians have lived in Kosovo from 7th cent. with many many issues so at this point you are on loosing side and Kosovo Sersbs need to understand and agree to terms no one will come to their help just as much no one goes to help Afgans or iraqis.

40K serbs will have to agree to something not to make demands in any country in the world even in Serbia if you do what they are doing they will be arrested, if Albanians were more organised they would block roads in Presevo and you will see how fast they go to jail.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta news agency.'
Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home. You NATO war criminals will get what the Serbs allow you, and that's it. If you want unconditional movement, go back to the Hofbrahaus.

Cheers!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta news agency.'
Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home. You NATO war criminals will get what the Serbs allow you, and that's it. If you want unconditional movement, go back to the Hofbrahaus.

Cheers!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Ok my fellow engineer, let's wait 10 years and see where we are. Do you honestly think that the German/US occupying forces will stay in Kosovo forever? Do you think it's sustainable long term? Are you paying any attention to what is going on in the world around you?
Let me enlighten you a bit. Student tuition fees in the US are ridiculous, students are graduating 50k in the hole before they even start their lives. There are 50 million people without health care. Infrastructure is crumbling and needs repair. The debt is 15 trillion and counting. Why is all this happening? All of the money that should be going to these areas is being spent on war, killing machines, defense...the military industrial complex. People are waking up, and eventually the US will pull out of everywhere, they will have no choice. Their empire is going down, just like all empires rise, and then fall.
Europe is basicaly bankrupt and have kicked the can down the road by printing more Euros, but the Eurozone will not survive, that is obvious to anyone who follows the finances. Russia has all the resources the world needs and is in the driver's seat and getting stronger every day.
Kosovo is Serbian land, and Serbs will remain there. The NATO war criminals will not, trust me. We can wait, time is on our side.
Cheers!!

Zoran

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta
--
UNSCR1244 states unrestricted movement for KFOR only. Not for "other institutions" and since the 6 point plan also went through the UNSC, KFOR need to act in a status neutral manner. Now transferring Albanians to administrative border crossings is not status neutral. In the mean time, Serbians are defending the barriers peacefully, which seems to be problematic for NATO. They prefer shooting people but fortunately there are too many cameras watching and too many people ready to spread it around the world.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home.
Cheers!"
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 14:38)

Believe it or not, but:

1. Not 'Germans', but KFOR is demanding freedom of movement for their troops, as guaranteed in UN1244.
2. Kosovo is a territory under UN administration (read UN1244, please) , so it's far from 'Serbian soil'.

Ziveli!

Engineer

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta news agency.'
Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home. You NATO war criminals will get what the Serbs allow you, and that's it. If you want unconditional movement, go back to the Hofbrahaus.

Cheers!
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 14:38)

Dragan I understand your frustration and it must be hard to swallow someone telling you what to do or not do, however NATO (US, Germany, UK...) have a much better case than 1941. You (your goverment) signed Kumanovo agreement where you gave up meaning you lost the war.

You see Serbia can not fight NATO so they need to withstand their dememnds being maybe unfair and hard to swallow, you can not say Russia will come to our help its like saying ( I will fight you but wait till my brother comes back from University).

Serbs and Albanians have lived in Kosovo from 7th cent. with many many issues so at this point you are on loosing side and Kosovo Sersbs need to understand and agree to terms no one will come to their help just as much no one goes to help Afgans or iraqis.

40K serbs will have to agree to something not to make demands in any country in the world even in Serbia if you do what they are doing they will be arrested, if Albanians were more organised they would block roads in Presevo and you will see how fast they go to jail.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

and since the 6 point plan also went through the UNSC, KFOR need to act in a status neutral manner.
(Zoran, 27 October 2011 15:29)

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
Think before you write .

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
(Kosova-USA, 27 October 2011 16:27)
--
Well, now you do.

http://arirusila.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/un-adopts-6-point-plan-for-kosovo-bye-bye-independence-experiment
http://b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=22&nav_id=76518
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/11/27/feature-02

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Well, now you do.

[link]
[link]
[link]
(Zoran, 27 October 2011 20:52)
# Comment link

Actually if you review the telecast which is available in the archives you will see that they accepted the "report" but they took no action on anything, there was never any type of vote and the invitation for EULEX to join the UN mission in Kosovo had no mention of 6 point plan, and EULEX stated prior to and following their deployment that they had no obligation to the 6 point plan and it was not part of their overall set up.

But it good to see that Serbs accept the conditions of the 6 point plan that says that ALL of Kosovo will be a single customs unit and that International customs agents were to be returned to gates 1 and 31 same as they were at all the other checkpoints in 2008. However you will find no where that only international agents can be at the checkpoint, and considering that EULEX is a mentor program there would have to be Kosovo agents there to mentor.
It also says that taxes will be collected and discussions there will be discussions on how the money will be used, with SOME of it appropriately going to local community development.
Ban's report also contained annex I which stated that the officials of Kosovo rejected the plan. The report simply outlined the plan and the fact that Belgrade accepted it and Kosovo rejected it. No mention of its implementation has come from either the UN nor Eulex.
However, I think Kosovo should have accepted it because all it really says is dialogue will take place on the 6 subjects, which is what the so called talks that are now arranged through the EU are about.

true passing by

pre 12 godina

So, engineer, you state that NATO is just a contemporary Ottoman Empire. If so, it definitely will end up as the empire, sooner or later.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.
(n n zeka, 27 October 2011 20:40)

I agree! And it's as sad, too, that Thaci thinks rolling in the North (threatening with 'new operations') with some ROSU troops will improve the situation.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Ok my fellow engineer, let's wait 10 years and see where we are. Do you honestly think that the German/US occupying forces will stay in Kosovo forever? Do you think it's sustainable long term? Are you paying any attention to what is going on in the world around you?
Let me enlighten you a bit. Student tuition fees in the US are ridiculous, students are graduating 50k in the hole before they even start their lives. There are 50 million people without health care. Infrastructure is crumbling and needs repair. The debt is 15 trillion and counting. Why is all this happening? All of the money that should be going to these areas is being spent on war, killing machines, defense...the military industrial complex. People are waking up, and eventually the US will pull out of everywhere, they will have no choice. Their empire is going down, just like all empires rise, and then fall.
Europe is basicaly bankrupt and have kicked the can down the road by printing more Euros, but the Eurozone will not survive, that is obvious to anyone who follows the finances. Russia has all the resources the world needs and is in the driver's seat and getting stronger every day.
Kosovo is Serbian land, and Serbs will remain there. The NATO war criminals will not, trust me. We can wait, time is on our side.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 17:21)

Dragan true America has problems so does EU but I am sure you know that CIA funds wars with other means. Many people have counted America down in the past. Regardless this has to do more with situation on the ground as I do speak Serbian as well I read B92 in Serbian more often. just the other day they spoke of Population decline in Serbia that in next 20years there will be only 6million Serbs. Kosovo conflict is been going on since 700s nothing new and this territory has been going back and forth between Serbs and Albanians ever since.

I said in last post that I understand this is emotional for Serbs but its not going to be easy to take Kosovo over just look how hard is to deal with 50K Serbs in Kosovo let alone with millions of Albanians.

When I read B92 in Serbian i see most people are tiered of Kosovo dilema they have no food no prospects for future they do not care about Kosovo.When i covered East Europe for my company i did go to Serbia many times and outside Beograd is horrible and gloom.

I am shoked how most of people who claim demise of USA and Eu they are themselves in US or EU why not move to China or Russia. I lived in Moscow as expat and I know its not a easy palace to live or anything close to what people in this forums seem to describe it as.

I am glad you are fellow engineer with interest in politics do you live in USA? I do as well and I work in power industry what do you do? I see many people here exchange opinions without knowing much about each other.

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

there was never any type of vote and the invitation for EULEX to join the UN mission in Kosovo had no mention of 6 point plan, and EULEX stated prior to and following their deployment that they had no obligation to the 6 point plan and it was not part of their overall set up.
(a New Day, 27 October 2011 23:10)
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LOL! I love the Albanian spin on things. I can also state I have no obligations to the laws of this country, it doesn't mean I will get away with breaking them, just as we can see in KiM. If EULEX attempts to break their obligations in the way Serbians see it, they get blocked. That's why NATO can go through the barricades but EULEX can't unless they abide by this plan. Either they become status neutral or they can remain in Albanian sections and mentor their customs people at the borders that separate Albanians from Albanians. EULEX's deployment was based on this six point plan and under the UN umbrella where status neutrality is clearly pointed out. From the Serbian view, even that was a sellout but that is what he currently have.

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Let's put this in perspective, Thaci doesn't own Kosovo or Kosovo institution and he never will. He is elected by people of Kosovo, and he is on the spot light for every bad thing happens in there because he is a PM.

If there is proof this guy is involved on any crime please bring it forward this evidence and he will be tried and if found guilty charged and prisoned, if not by Kosovo justice system then Hague Tribunal.

Speculating that he is involved on crime and he should be jailed just like that without a proof it can be done under Sharia law but not in Kosovo and Serbia either.

A lot of people here seem to have a wrong impression of Kosovo and its people. Albanians, Serbs Turkish, Roma, Gorans haven't been there for past 12 years since NATO was involved.

Simply if you haven't got anything to say don't just say something for sake of it.

sj

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.
(n n zeka, 27 October 2011 20:40)
Most interested to hear what would happen if NATO leaves. How is Kosov going to stop the Serbs from coming in and taking over????
I am seriously interested to read about it.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Zoran, you love the Albanian spin, I think you should rename yourself Zoran the web maker as no one can spin like you.
Here is the official UNSC reaction to the UNSG report outlining the 6 point plan and invitation to the EU.
“The Security Council welcomes the Secretary-General’s report on
UNMIK (S/2008/692) dated 24 November 2008 and, taking into account the
positions of Belgrade and Pristina on the report which were reflected in their
respective statements, welcomes their intentions to cooperate with the
international community.
“The Security Council welcomes the cooperation between the UN and
other international actors, within the framework of Security Council
Resolution 1244 (1999), and also welcomes the continuing efforts of the
European Union to advance the European perspective of the whole of the
Western Balkans, thereby making a decisive contribution to regional stability
and prosperity.”
No vote on 6 point plan, no mention of it in the invitation for Eulex, The only ones to cntinually refer to it are the Serbians. So spin away, spin away!

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 29 October 2011 11:24)

Kosovo institutions have fully cooperated with Hague so far, Mr Harajdinaj who was a Prime Minister and 2 others are being tried again, second time, because some new evidence came alight.

These people could have tried to hide, but Albanian people would not accept it and they knew that it was time to face justice.

In the history of Hague tribunal for first time this people have been tried twice.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
(Kosova-USA, 27 October 2011 16:27)
--
Well, now you do.

[link]
[link]
[link]
(Zoran, 27 October 2011 20:52)

No sir, we don't - nice try. In case you don't know, the UNSC's website starts with www.un.org and, unfortunately, I did not see that domain in any of the links you provided.

icj1

pre 12 godina

If EULEX attempts to break their obligations in the way Serbians see it, they get blocked. That's why NATO can go through the barricades but EULEX can't unless they abide by this plan.
(Zoran, 28 October 2011 09:23)

The way Serbians or Albanians see it does not matter at all. What matters is how the UNMIK and UNSC see it. I remind you that 1244 is still in force and requires freedom of movement in Kosovo. Albanians or Serbians can't determine who does get freedom of movement in Kosovo and who does not.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@...Speculating that he is involved on crime and he should be jailed just like that without a proof it can be done under Sharia law but not in Kosovo and Serbia either...

(n n zeka, 28 October 2011 10:35)

Sorry, this is obviously wrong. Once charges are brought against the accused he or she can be detained becuase e.g. of danger of absconding, danger of supression of evidence, risk of threatening of witnesses. That is possible and on trhis basis happening in all countries where the rule of law is implemented. Please think about: Of course, most of the political and military figures accused of war crimes and/or crimes against humanity commited during the last Balkan wars were put in detention as well detention - and some of them have been sitting behind bars for longer period of time already.
You might read the last sentence of your comment BTW ;-)

Dragan

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta news agency.'
Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home. You NATO war criminals will get what the Serbs allow you, and that's it. If you want unconditional movement, go back to the Hofbrahaus.

Cheers!

Engineer

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta news agency.'
Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home. You NATO war criminals will get what the Serbs allow you, and that's it. If you want unconditional movement, go back to the Hofbrahaus.

Cheers!
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 14:38)

Dragan I understand your frustration and it must be hard to swallow someone telling you what to do or not do, however NATO (US, Germany, UK...) have a much better case than 1941. You (your goverment) signed Kumanovo agreement where you gave up meaning you lost the war.

You see Serbia can not fight NATO so they need to withstand their dememnds being maybe unfair and hard to swallow, you can not say Russia will come to our help its like saying ( I will fight you but wait till my brother comes back from University).

Serbs and Albanians have lived in Kosovo from 7th cent. with many many issues so at this point you are on loosing side and Kosovo Sersbs need to understand and agree to terms no one will come to their help just as much no one goes to help Afgans or iraqis.

40K serbs will have to agree to something not to make demands in any country in the world even in Serbia if you do what they are doing they will be arrested, if Albanians were more organised they would block roads in Presevo and you will see how fast they go to jail.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

“Even though opening of one traffic lane is a step in the right direction, KFOR demands unconditional freedom for KFOR, EULEX mission, other institutions and citizens,” the KFOR spokesman told Beta
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UNSCR1244 states unrestricted movement for KFOR only. Not for "other institutions" and since the 6 point plan also went through the UNSC, KFOR need to act in a status neutral manner. Now transferring Albanians to administrative border crossings is not status neutral. In the mean time, Serbians are defending the barriers peacefully, which seems to be problematic for NATO. They prefer shooting people but fortunately there are too many cameras watching and too many people ready to spread it around the world.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

and since the 6 point plan also went through the UNSC, KFOR need to act in a status neutral manner.
(Zoran, 27 October 2011 15:29)

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
Think before you write .

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Unbelievable. These Germans think it's 1941 again. They DEMAND unconditional movement in someone else's country. They need to be reminded that they are on sovereign Serbian soil, and not at home.
Cheers!"
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 14:38)

Believe it or not, but:

1. Not 'Germans', but KFOR is demanding freedom of movement for their troops, as guaranteed in UN1244.
2. Kosovo is a territory under UN administration (read UN1244, please) , so it's far from 'Serbian soil'.

Ziveli!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Ok my fellow engineer, let's wait 10 years and see where we are. Do you honestly think that the German/US occupying forces will stay in Kosovo forever? Do you think it's sustainable long term? Are you paying any attention to what is going on in the world around you?
Let me enlighten you a bit. Student tuition fees in the US are ridiculous, students are graduating 50k in the hole before they even start their lives. There are 50 million people without health care. Infrastructure is crumbling and needs repair. The debt is 15 trillion and counting. Why is all this happening? All of the money that should be going to these areas is being spent on war, killing machines, defense...the military industrial complex. People are waking up, and eventually the US will pull out of everywhere, they will have no choice. Their empire is going down, just like all empires rise, and then fall.
Europe is basicaly bankrupt and have kicked the can down the road by printing more Euros, but the Eurozone will not survive, that is obvious to anyone who follows the finances. Russia has all the resources the world needs and is in the driver's seat and getting stronger every day.
Kosovo is Serbian land, and Serbs will remain there. The NATO war criminals will not, trust me. We can wait, time is on our side.
Cheers!!

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Ok my fellow engineer, let's wait 10 years and see where we are. Do you honestly think that the German/US occupying forces will stay in Kosovo forever? Do you think it's sustainable long term? Are you paying any attention to what is going on in the world around you?
Let me enlighten you a bit. Student tuition fees in the US are ridiculous, students are graduating 50k in the hole before they even start their lives. There are 50 million people without health care. Infrastructure is crumbling and needs repair. The debt is 15 trillion and counting. Why is all this happening? All of the money that should be going to these areas is being spent on war, killing machines, defense...the military industrial complex. People are waking up, and eventually the US will pull out of everywhere, they will have no choice. Their empire is going down, just like all empires rise, and then fall.
Europe is basicaly bankrupt and have kicked the can down the road by printing more Euros, but the Eurozone will not survive, that is obvious to anyone who follows the finances. Russia has all the resources the world needs and is in the driver's seat and getting stronger every day.
Kosovo is Serbian land, and Serbs will remain there. The NATO war criminals will not, trust me. We can wait, time is on our side.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 October 2011 17:21)

Dragan true America has problems so does EU but I am sure you know that CIA funds wars with other means. Many people have counted America down in the past. Regardless this has to do more with situation on the ground as I do speak Serbian as well I read B92 in Serbian more often. just the other day they spoke of Population decline in Serbia that in next 20years there will be only 6million Serbs. Kosovo conflict is been going on since 700s nothing new and this territory has been going back and forth between Serbs and Albanians ever since.

I said in last post that I understand this is emotional for Serbs but its not going to be easy to take Kosovo over just look how hard is to deal with 50K Serbs in Kosovo let alone with millions of Albanians.

When I read B92 in Serbian i see most people are tiered of Kosovo dilema they have no food no prospects for future they do not care about Kosovo.When i covered East Europe for my company i did go to Serbia many times and outside Beograd is horrible and gloom.

I am shoked how most of people who claim demise of USA and Eu they are themselves in US or EU why not move to China or Russia. I lived in Moscow as expat and I know its not a easy palace to live or anything close to what people in this forums seem to describe it as.

I am glad you are fellow engineer with interest in politics do you live in USA? I do as well and I work in power industry what do you do? I see many people here exchange opinions without knowing much about each other.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Well, now you do.

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(Zoran, 27 October 2011 20:52)
# Comment link

Actually if you review the telecast which is available in the archives you will see that they accepted the "report" but they took no action on anything, there was never any type of vote and the invitation for EULEX to join the UN mission in Kosovo had no mention of 6 point plan, and EULEX stated prior to and following their deployment that they had no obligation to the 6 point plan and it was not part of their overall set up.

But it good to see that Serbs accept the conditions of the 6 point plan that says that ALL of Kosovo will be a single customs unit and that International customs agents were to be returned to gates 1 and 31 same as they were at all the other checkpoints in 2008. However you will find no where that only international agents can be at the checkpoint, and considering that EULEX is a mentor program there would have to be Kosovo agents there to mentor.
It also says that taxes will be collected and discussions there will be discussions on how the money will be used, with SOME of it appropriately going to local community development.
Ban's report also contained annex I which stated that the officials of Kosovo rejected the plan. The report simply outlined the plan and the fact that Belgrade accepted it and Kosovo rejected it. No mention of its implementation has come from either the UN nor Eulex.
However, I think Kosovo should have accepted it because all it really says is dialogue will take place on the 6 subjects, which is what the so called talks that are now arranged through the EU are about.

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.

true passing by

pre 12 godina

So, engineer, you state that NATO is just a contemporary Ottoman Empire. If so, it definitely will end up as the empire, sooner or later.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.
(n n zeka, 27 October 2011 20:40)

I agree! And it's as sad, too, that Thaci thinks rolling in the North (threatening with 'new operations') with some ROSU troops will improve the situation.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
(Kosova-USA, 27 October 2011 16:27)
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Well, now you do.

http://arirusila.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/un-adopts-6-point-plan-for-kosovo-bye-bye-independence-experiment
http://b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=22&nav_id=76518
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/11/27/feature-02

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Zoran, you love the Albanian spin, I think you should rename yourself Zoran the web maker as no one can spin like you.
Here is the official UNSC reaction to the UNSG report outlining the 6 point plan and invitation to the EU.
“The Security Council welcomes the Secretary-General’s report on
UNMIK (S/2008/692) dated 24 November 2008 and, taking into account the
positions of Belgrade and Pristina on the report which were reflected in their
respective statements, welcomes their intentions to cooperate with the
international community.
“The Security Council welcomes the cooperation between the UN and
other international actors, within the framework of Security Council
Resolution 1244 (1999), and also welcomes the continuing efforts of the
European Union to advance the European perspective of the whole of the
Western Balkans, thereby making a decisive contribution to regional stability
and prosperity.”
No vote on 6 point plan, no mention of it in the invitation for Eulex, The only ones to cntinually refer to it are the Serbians. So spin away, spin away!

icj1

pre 12 godina

If EULEX attempts to break their obligations in the way Serbians see it, they get blocked. That's why NATO can go through the barricades but EULEX can't unless they abide by this plan.
(Zoran, 28 October 2011 09:23)

The way Serbians or Albanians see it does not matter at all. What matters is how the UNMIK and UNSC see it. I remind you that 1244 is still in force and requires freedom of movement in Kosovo. Albanians or Serbians can't determine who does get freedom of movement in Kosovo and who does not.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Never knew that UNSC approved 6 point plan!
(Kosova-USA, 27 October 2011 16:27)
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Well, now you do.

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(Zoran, 27 October 2011 20:52)

No sir, we don't - nice try. In case you don't know, the UNSC's website starts with www.un.org and, unfortunately, I did not see that domain in any of the links you provided.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@...Speculating that he is involved on crime and he should be jailed just like that without a proof it can be done under Sharia law but not in Kosovo and Serbia either...

(n n zeka, 28 October 2011 10:35)

Sorry, this is obviously wrong. Once charges are brought against the accused he or she can be detained becuase e.g. of danger of absconding, danger of supression of evidence, risk of threatening of witnesses. That is possible and on trhis basis happening in all countries where the rule of law is implemented. Please think about: Of course, most of the political and military figures accused of war crimes and/or crimes against humanity commited during the last Balkan wars were put in detention as well detention - and some of them have been sitting behind bars for longer period of time already.
You might read the last sentence of your comment BTW ;-)

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 29 October 2011 11:24)

Kosovo institutions have fully cooperated with Hague so far, Mr Harajdinaj who was a Prime Minister and 2 others are being tried again, second time, because some new evidence came alight.

These people could have tried to hide, but Albanian people would not accept it and they knew that it was time to face justice.

In the history of Hague tribunal for first time this people have been tried twice.

sj

pre 12 godina

It's really sad, that some people on this forum are still having this thoughts that that moment the NATO leaves Kosovo, then Serbian military will roll in.
(n n zeka, 27 October 2011 20:40)
Most interested to hear what would happen if NATO leaves. How is Kosov going to stop the Serbs from coming in and taking over????
I am seriously interested to read about it.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

there was never any type of vote and the invitation for EULEX to join the UN mission in Kosovo had no mention of 6 point plan, and EULEX stated prior to and following their deployment that they had no obligation to the 6 point plan and it was not part of their overall set up.
(a New Day, 27 October 2011 23:10)
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LOL! I love the Albanian spin on things. I can also state I have no obligations to the laws of this country, it doesn't mean I will get away with breaking them, just as we can see in KiM. If EULEX attempts to break their obligations in the way Serbians see it, they get blocked. That's why NATO can go through the barricades but EULEX can't unless they abide by this plan. Either they become status neutral or they can remain in Albanian sections and mentor their customs people at the borders that separate Albanians from Albanians. EULEX's deployment was based on this six point plan and under the UN umbrella where status neutrality is clearly pointed out. From the Serbian view, even that was a sellout but that is what he currently have.

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Let's put this in perspective, Thaci doesn't own Kosovo or Kosovo institution and he never will. He is elected by people of Kosovo, and he is on the spot light for every bad thing happens in there because he is a PM.

If there is proof this guy is involved on any crime please bring it forward this evidence and he will be tried and if found guilty charged and prisoned, if not by Kosovo justice system then Hague Tribunal.

Speculating that he is involved on crime and he should be jailed just like that without a proof it can be done under Sharia law but not in Kosovo and Serbia either.

A lot of people here seem to have a wrong impression of Kosovo and its people. Albanians, Serbs Turkish, Roma, Gorans haven't been there for past 12 years since NATO was involved.

Simply if you haven't got anything to say don't just say something for sake of it.