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Thursday, 27.10.2011.

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Speaker urges U.S. to influence Priština

Serbian parliament Speaker Slavica Đukić-Dejanović said Wednesday in Washington she had called on the U.S. to use its influence on Priština.

Izvor: Tanjug

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

So if KFOR stays in checkpoints implementing trade embargo (which could be imposed by independent countries only), it will mean that KFOR consider Kosovo independent country, then KFOR couldn't be called status neutral thus KFOR will break their status.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

In terms of smuggling all the mentioned borders, aministrative lines or however we want to term it are problematic (that´s what the guys in the missions there report. I believe (may be you don´t)a lot remains to be done in terms of smuggling everywhere. In the North the international missions should do it for the time being.
Another issue are the checkpoints in question and the implemention of customs there - as stipulated by UNMIK rules and regulations - and within that frame by agreements between Pristina and Belgrade (provided there are any). In order to avoid a conflict with negative impact for the citizens. EULEX personnel (if necessary supported by KFOR) should run the customs at the checkpoints in question. The deployment of personnel of Kosovo institutions should wait until the technical terms are beeing agreed upon in Brussels. Everything else (like the airlifting of personnel to places where nothing remains to be done for the guys) is waste of resources. Unilateral steps cannot lead to a solution and not contribute to peace and stability for Kosovo and the entire region.
I fear in this respect we have to agree again that we do not agree - and leave it for the meeting over a coffee :-))

adriatik

pre 12 godina

balkenbert

are you seriously suggesting that Thaci should have sent customs officers at the border with Albania, Macedonia & Montenegro...countries with which Kosovo does not have trade issue with? There is a reason why they were sent to Serbia, to implement a trades embargo. Serioulsy, if he wanted to provoke, he could have done this a long time ago, like say last year, 2 years ago, 3 years ago

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@(adriatik, 28 October 2011 13:25)

... if the deployment of custom officers was about implementation of custom rules and regulations he would have started at the Kosovo-Albanian border, continued all the way along the Kosovo-Macedonian one - and after that could have asked EULEX (and KFOR as back-up) to run the custom procedures at the check-points in question until a mutual agreement is achieved in Brussels. Plus request to close down smuggling routes in the North. Better results, no provocation, good for ordinary citizens regardless ethnic or national background, Arians or not ;-), language, colour of the hair or eyes, size of the shoes or shape of the ears and stuff.
BTW I do not tend to conspiracy theories at all and ask you kindly to return to a civilised tone - if I insulted you I apologise.

adriatik

pre 12 godina

Total and utter garbage. You yourself seem to be privy to the conspiracy theories that abound these boards. Let me guess, Thaci, apparently sent his cronies in the North to divert from the negotiations? Where on Io did you read that? The custom officers were sent to implement a trade embargo on Serbian goods. That is it. I should point out, that I am no sympathizer of Thaci. However, when I read arguments which bear no resemblance to anything, I will challenge it. According to you, Thaci took the action that he took, because uncertainty benefits him personally. More rubbish. There is overwhelming consensus on the Kosovar Albanians that the trade barriers were a necessary step. It was approved by all significant players in Kosovo. Please, do make your theories a bit more substantial.

As for Thaci personally, what he is accused of and if as you tell me time and time again there is enough to convict him, let Hague, a body that has nothing to do with EULEX or NATO convict him and put him behind bars. Its as simple as that. Do not give me more theories however as to why they don't do this. Again they bear no resemblance on reality.

As for 2004, the Kosovar Gov. condemned and even jailed individuals who took part in lootings, ramapges etc. However, you yourself have alluded that going back to 1999 is unhelpful, so going back to 2004 does not help anyone either

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@What is America supposed to influence the Albanians to do? Give up the North is that it?
(adriatik, 28 October 2011 11:35)
The US is supposed to influence the heads of institutions in Pristina (I do not tend to use the terms THE Albanians or THE Serbs for well-considered reasons - you might not have noticed it so far)in the sense that they ask them to stop ASAP their provocations. When I mention provocations I refer at this point to the unilateral steps aimed at the not yet agreed deployment of custom officers by the strongman in Pristina - officers wearing his uniforms and badges and obviously loyal to a man who is under strong suspicion of ivolvement in not only corruption but most severe crimes and crimes against humanity. I am sorry for repeating myself but some simply do not grasp it: Suspects like that are in other parts of the world where the rule of law is implemented already in custody and awaiting their trial behind bars. I strongly believe you do not have serious doubts that his announcement to send his "judges" to North Mitrovica - which he released about the same time and it immediately raised KFOR´s concern - was another specific and purposeful provocation aimed to derail the negotiations in Brussels.
All of us remember that the negotiations were bearing the first fruits. That was -my opinion - already too much for him and his accomplices. Only in conflict situations and in a crisis they can politically survive. Therefore they need to - for their political survival - spark crisis and conflict and armed conflict whenever deemed necessary by them.
So: In a first step they need to be put on a chain - in a second one removed from office. Preferably, the second one should be pushed through (and now I use it well-conidered and on purpose) by THE Kosovo Albanians. To give evidence for their maturity for the house of European families.
BTW and to get for a second back to your introductary remarks. I do not blame KLA and its leaders for what they considered a fight for their freedom - as long as they did not commit crimes and in particular crimes against humanity. But I put a blame on them and all their followers - like the mob on the rampage e.g. in 2004 - for what they did in terms of arson, looting, murder and ethnic cleansing as of 1999. And apparently the shame- and disgraceful campaigns have not come to an end yet.

adriatik

pre 12 godina

You really are grasping at thin air. Milosevic was not overthrown because of his treatment of Albanians, he was overthrown because he turned Serbia into an economic basket case and a de facto dictatorship. You read it in this forum everyday, how Kosovar Albanians had no reason to feel aggrieved. In fact, you yourself have contested that what amounted to in 1999 was ethnic cleansing. No my friend, Milosevic is not to blame for everything, its easy to lay responsibility on a dead guy. It is ordinary Serb attitudes towards Albanians that caused all this mess. Either way, I digress from the subject at hand.

What is America supposed to influence the Albanians to do? Give up the North is that it?

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@adriatik, 27 October 2011 18:54

The mantra-like refering to crimes committed under the rule of Milosevic does not lead anywhere when it comes to problems in Kosovo today - regardless that it will not be forgotten like I pointed out at several occasions. However, Milosevic was overthrown by the people of Serbia in the so-called Bulldozzer Revolution on 5 October 2000 - 11 years ago already and it was commemorated few weeks ago. So, tell me now when people in Kosovo will overthrow the warlords in Pristina - most of them under investigation because of their involvement in most severe crimes and crimes against humanity?

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

I wish you have less hate for people and try to belittle people and put all nation in one big basket.
(Engineer, 27 October 2011 21:40)

What are you talking about? I didn't put an ethnicity in one big basket. I said what the Albanians do in my region. Then I pointed out how statistically ridiculous it was for you to say "most Albanians I'm America go to MIT and Harvard". If anything you were putting them in one basket trying to say every Albanian in America goes to the most prestigious of schools.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

@Engineer,

"I know you are a Serbian Nationalist living in Austrlia".
================================

Yes and proud of it so what's your point? That's how I know how the US does it's business.
Take a look at what has happened to all the leaders the US has supported in the past and all will be clear.
You will do as you are told until they no longer have a reason to support you. Waving US flags will not give them a warm fuzzy feeling about you and want to defend you. Hell, they will even turn on you just like they did to all their other puppets around the world.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

The K-Albanians can be armed to their rotted teeth all they want. They still don't have heart. They will run across the border disguised as women just like the last time.

75% of the Albanians I went to high school with here in the US dropped out and work at their parents' restaurants/painting companies.

HAHA Engineer(of the Custodial Arts), you say "most of us are graduating from MIT and Harvard," yet myself, an MIT Alum, never met a single Albanian at MIT. And statistically, how can most Albanians got to MIT or Harvard? Your statement holds not ground. Simply word vomit.
(Steve B., 27 October 2011 18:06)

Steve I went to MIT I am Albanian I am shocked you think like that. My wife is Electrical Engineer she went to Georgia tech.

My siter went to SLU university MD-PHD for free cardiology. this is just one Albanina family.

I can go on and on for many of my friends work in World Bank, Goldman, General Electric, ...

I am sure there are as well those who drop out but there are much many who do go to school but no one seems to speak of them.

I wish you have less hate for people and try to belittle people and put all nation in one big basket.

There is a Serbian girl that clean houses and another one that works in 7eleven near my company but I do not go speaking of Serbs being home cleaners as I know there are many educated ones.

By the way My grandfather did graduate from University of Belgrade and he told me how bad he got treated for being Albanian and many time given a 8 just for being Albanian.

We have been pushed around in the past but things will change - I understand its hard to see it with Thaqi in power but he will soon be gone but he will not be subbed by a Serbian leadership at least this is my humble opinion as we are all sharing opinions here :)

adriatik

pre 12 godina

o balkanbert really, do give it a rest. i've read the kind of garbage you spew on these boards. seriously, if i was to listen to you, everything is the fault of those naughty Albanians. they attacked the peace loving, flower picking, song singing people of serbia.

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

Serbia has only 18K solders now no Airplanes only 1 and not many tanks. This time Albanins are armed to teeth as well dont forget that.

Just do the math it does not add up.

During 1990s All Alabanian Diaspora for 10 years gave 3% of their earnings for Kosovo they will do same and this time there are much much more Albanians in EU, USA, Australia ... and regardles what some Serbs say here majority do not work in Pizza places we work in Fortune 500 and most of us are graduating form MIT and Harvard you wont be able to push us around as you wish.
(Engineer, 27 October 2011 16:06)

The K-Albanians can be armed to their rotted teeth all they want. They still don't have heart. They will run across the border disguised as women just like the last time.

75% of the Albanians I went to high school with here in the US dropped out and work at their parents' restaurants/painting companies.

HAHA Engineer(of the Custodial Arts), you say "most of us are graduating from MIT and Harvard," yet myself, an MIT Alum, never met a single Albanian at MIT. And statistically, how can most Albanians got to MIT or Harvard? Your statement holds not ground. Simply word vomit.

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

"influence Priština" is an euphemism for the US ambassador in Pristina is telling the 'Kosovo government' what to do (like whom to elect as president)

trizo

pre 12 godina

@ Akim,

One needs to convince the US to stop making decisions in other people's countries & for other people's lives...

Blessed be the day when the US is not the superpower it is today..I will cry tears of joy the day the Chinese or Russians start telling America why a state can or cannot declare independence... oh and also build a huge military base in their country.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)
===…==

OMG, you really think you can defy the US?
They made you and they can break you. Don't you know that by now?
Think whatever you like but all they have to do is pack up camp Bondsteel and you are on your own and you know what that means.
(Peggy, 27 October 2011 12:52)

I know you are a Serbian Nationalist living in Austrlia and most likely have not been to Serbia or Kosovo in long time if ever so you do not see situation on the ground.

Ok USA leaves but you think this time around you will be able to push 1.7Million albanians like you did last time. It was eassy last time since this happened after 10years of Serbian oppression. If 40K Serbs are giving hard time to Kfor what do you think will happen to Serbia with all those Albaninas. Look at Afghanistan giving a hard time to USA and NATO a supper power do you think Kosovo will not give a really hard time to Serbia.

Serbia has only 18K solders now no Airplanes only 1 and not many tanks. This time Albanins are armed to teeth as well dont forget that.

Just do the math it does not add up.

During 1990s All Alabanian Diaspora for 10 years gave 3% of their earnings for Kosovo they will do same and this time there are much much more Albanians in EU, USA, Australia ... and regardles what some Serbs say here majority do not work in Pizza places we work in Fortune 500 and most of us are graduating form MIT and Harvard you wont be able to push us around as you wish.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL fat chance getting 'Murikuh to change its stance on anything, even when it knows its policy is wrong and harmful.

Reader

pre 12 godina

No need for her to go to Washington to beg the US. Just give the Russians that base in Nis and give the Chinese a base in central Serbia too and you will see how the US position will change.

Akim

pre 12 godina

Pristina has no importance here. Taci etc. are simple minded, brutal bandits in black limousines. Northern Kosovo has nothing to do with the miserable life of Kosovo Albanians.
One needs to convince the US to solve the problem with a just partition.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Don't kid yourselves and think that you can stand on your own two feet 'Kosova'

If America was not involved you would have a lot to worry about.

America cannot keep a military interest in Europe forever and soon enough they will fall.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Influence them to do what?
(adriatik, 27 October 2011 11:35)

... to undergo re-education in one of the camps of correction created for serial offeners in the US...

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Ok Ballkanbert, belive whatever you like but I know how K-Albs feel cos I'm one of them and I'm speaking for 99.9% of K-Albs. If it's a tale for you that's fine with me.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)
=============================

OMG, you really think you can defy the US?
They made you and they can break you. Don't you know that by now?
Think whatever you like but all they have to do is pack up camp Bondsteel and you are on your own and you know what that means.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance...
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)

Oh dear - it tells its own tale...

Mini Me

pre 12 godina

US needs to make Kosova a success story. After 12 years, they aren't about to give up. Serbia should have thought about it before US got involved in the war

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)
=============================

OMG, you really think you can defy the US?
They made you and they can break you. Don't you know that by now?
Think whatever you like but all they have to do is pack up camp Bondsteel and you are on your own and you know what that means.

Mini Me

pre 12 godina

US needs to make Kosova a success story. After 12 years, they aren't about to give up. Serbia should have thought about it before US got involved in the war

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Don't kid yourselves and think that you can stand on your own two feet 'Kosova'

If America was not involved you would have a lot to worry about.

America cannot keep a military interest in Europe forever and soon enough they will fall.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Influence them to do what?
(adriatik, 27 October 2011 11:35)

... to undergo re-education in one of the camps of correction created for serial offeners in the US...

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance...
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)

Oh dear - it tells its own tale...

Akim

pre 12 godina

Pristina has no importance here. Taci etc. are simple minded, brutal bandits in black limousines. Northern Kosovo has nothing to do with the miserable life of Kosovo Albanians.
One needs to convince the US to solve the problem with a just partition.

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Ok Ballkanbert, belive whatever you like but I know how K-Albs feel cos I'm one of them and I'm speaking for 99.9% of K-Albs. If it's a tale for you that's fine with me.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)
===…==

OMG, you really think you can defy the US?
They made you and they can break you. Don't you know that by now?
Think whatever you like but all they have to do is pack up camp Bondsteel and you are on your own and you know what that means.
(Peggy, 27 October 2011 12:52)

I know you are a Serbian Nationalist living in Austrlia and most likely have not been to Serbia or Kosovo in long time if ever so you do not see situation on the ground.

Ok USA leaves but you think this time around you will be able to push 1.7Million albanians like you did last time. It was eassy last time since this happened after 10years of Serbian oppression. If 40K Serbs are giving hard time to Kfor what do you think will happen to Serbia with all those Albaninas. Look at Afghanistan giving a hard time to USA and NATO a supper power do you think Kosovo will not give a really hard time to Serbia.

Serbia has only 18K solders now no Airplanes only 1 and not many tanks. This time Albanins are armed to teeth as well dont forget that.

Just do the math it does not add up.

During 1990s All Alabanian Diaspora for 10 years gave 3% of their earnings for Kosovo they will do same and this time there are much much more Albanians in EU, USA, Australia ... and regardles what some Serbs say here majority do not work in Pizza places we work in Fortune 500 and most of us are graduating form MIT and Harvard you wont be able to push us around as you wish.

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

"influence Priština" is an euphemism for the US ambassador in Pristina is telling the 'Kosovo government' what to do (like whom to elect as president)

Reader

pre 12 godina

No need for her to go to Washington to beg the US. Just give the Russians that base in Nis and give the Chinese a base in central Serbia too and you will see how the US position will change.

trizo

pre 12 godina

@ Akim,

One needs to convince the US to stop making decisions in other people's countries & for other people's lives...

Blessed be the day when the US is not the superpower it is today..I will cry tears of joy the day the Chinese or Russians start telling America why a state can or cannot declare independence... oh and also build a huge military base in their country.

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

Serbia has only 18K solders now no Airplanes only 1 and not many tanks. This time Albanins are armed to teeth as well dont forget that.

Just do the math it does not add up.

During 1990s All Alabanian Diaspora for 10 years gave 3% of their earnings for Kosovo they will do same and this time there are much much more Albanians in EU, USA, Australia ... and regardles what some Serbs say here majority do not work in Pizza places we work in Fortune 500 and most of us are graduating form MIT and Harvard you wont be able to push us around as you wish.
(Engineer, 27 October 2011 16:06)

The K-Albanians can be armed to their rotted teeth all they want. They still don't have heart. They will run across the border disguised as women just like the last time.

75% of the Albanians I went to high school with here in the US dropped out and work at their parents' restaurants/painting companies.

HAHA Engineer(of the Custodial Arts), you say "most of us are graduating from MIT and Harvard," yet myself, an MIT Alum, never met a single Albanian at MIT. And statistically, how can most Albanians got to MIT or Harvard? Your statement holds not ground. Simply word vomit.

adriatik

pre 12 godina

o balkanbert really, do give it a rest. i've read the kind of garbage you spew on these boards. seriously, if i was to listen to you, everything is the fault of those naughty Albanians. they attacked the peace loving, flower picking, song singing people of serbia.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

The K-Albanians can be armed to their rotted teeth all they want. They still don't have heart. They will run across the border disguised as women just like the last time.

75% of the Albanians I went to high school with here in the US dropped out and work at their parents' restaurants/painting companies.

HAHA Engineer(of the Custodial Arts), you say "most of us are graduating from MIT and Harvard," yet myself, an MIT Alum, never met a single Albanian at MIT. And statistically, how can most Albanians got to MIT or Harvard? Your statement holds not ground. Simply word vomit.
(Steve B., 27 October 2011 18:06)

Steve I went to MIT I am Albanian I am shocked you think like that. My wife is Electrical Engineer she went to Georgia tech.

My siter went to SLU university MD-PHD for free cardiology. this is just one Albanina family.

I can go on and on for many of my friends work in World Bank, Goldman, General Electric, ...

I am sure there are as well those who drop out but there are much many who do go to school but no one seems to speak of them.

I wish you have less hate for people and try to belittle people and put all nation in one big basket.

There is a Serbian girl that clean houses and another one that works in 7eleven near my company but I do not go speaking of Serbs being home cleaners as I know there are many educated ones.

By the way My grandfather did graduate from University of Belgrade and he told me how bad he got treated for being Albanian and many time given a 8 just for being Albanian.

We have been pushed around in the past but things will change - I understand its hard to see it with Thaqi in power but he will soon be gone but he will not be subbed by a Serbian leadership at least this is my humble opinion as we are all sharing opinions here :)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL fat chance getting 'Murikuh to change its stance on anything, even when it knows its policy is wrong and harmful.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@adriatik, 27 October 2011 18:54

The mantra-like refering to crimes committed under the rule of Milosevic does not lead anywhere when it comes to problems in Kosovo today - regardless that it will not be forgotten like I pointed out at several occasions. However, Milosevic was overthrown by the people of Serbia in the so-called Bulldozzer Revolution on 5 October 2000 - 11 years ago already and it was commemorated few weeks ago. So, tell me now when people in Kosovo will overthrow the warlords in Pristina - most of them under investigation because of their involvement in most severe crimes and crimes against humanity?

Peggy

pre 12 godina

@Engineer,

"I know you are a Serbian Nationalist living in Austrlia".
================================

Yes and proud of it so what's your point? That's how I know how the US does it's business.
Take a look at what has happened to all the leaders the US has supported in the past and all will be clear.
You will do as you are told until they no longer have a reason to support you. Waving US flags will not give them a warm fuzzy feeling about you and want to defend you. Hell, they will even turn on you just like they did to all their other puppets around the world.

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

I wish you have less hate for people and try to belittle people and put all nation in one big basket.
(Engineer, 27 October 2011 21:40)

What are you talking about? I didn't put an ethnicity in one big basket. I said what the Albanians do in my region. Then I pointed out how statistically ridiculous it was for you to say "most Albanians I'm America go to MIT and Harvard". If anything you were putting them in one basket trying to say every Albanian in America goes to the most prestigious of schools.

adriatik

pre 12 godina

You really are grasping at thin air. Milosevic was not overthrown because of his treatment of Albanians, he was overthrown because he turned Serbia into an economic basket case and a de facto dictatorship. You read it in this forum everyday, how Kosovar Albanians had no reason to feel aggrieved. In fact, you yourself have contested that what amounted to in 1999 was ethnic cleansing. No my friend, Milosevic is not to blame for everything, its easy to lay responsibility on a dead guy. It is ordinary Serb attitudes towards Albanians that caused all this mess. Either way, I digress from the subject at hand.

What is America supposed to influence the Albanians to do? Give up the North is that it?

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@(adriatik, 28 October 2011 13:25)

... if the deployment of custom officers was about implementation of custom rules and regulations he would have started at the Kosovo-Albanian border, continued all the way along the Kosovo-Macedonian one - and after that could have asked EULEX (and KFOR as back-up) to run the custom procedures at the check-points in question until a mutual agreement is achieved in Brussels. Plus request to close down smuggling routes in the North. Better results, no provocation, good for ordinary citizens regardless ethnic or national background, Arians or not ;-), language, colour of the hair or eyes, size of the shoes or shape of the ears and stuff.
BTW I do not tend to conspiracy theories at all and ask you kindly to return to a civilised tone - if I insulted you I apologise.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@What is America supposed to influence the Albanians to do? Give up the North is that it?
(adriatik, 28 October 2011 11:35)
The US is supposed to influence the heads of institutions in Pristina (I do not tend to use the terms THE Albanians or THE Serbs for well-considered reasons - you might not have noticed it so far)in the sense that they ask them to stop ASAP their provocations. When I mention provocations I refer at this point to the unilateral steps aimed at the not yet agreed deployment of custom officers by the strongman in Pristina - officers wearing his uniforms and badges and obviously loyal to a man who is under strong suspicion of ivolvement in not only corruption but most severe crimes and crimes against humanity. I am sorry for repeating myself but some simply do not grasp it: Suspects like that are in other parts of the world where the rule of law is implemented already in custody and awaiting their trial behind bars. I strongly believe you do not have serious doubts that his announcement to send his "judges" to North Mitrovica - which he released about the same time and it immediately raised KFOR´s concern - was another specific and purposeful provocation aimed to derail the negotiations in Brussels.
All of us remember that the negotiations were bearing the first fruits. That was -my opinion - already too much for him and his accomplices. Only in conflict situations and in a crisis they can politically survive. Therefore they need to - for their political survival - spark crisis and conflict and armed conflict whenever deemed necessary by them.
So: In a first step they need to be put on a chain - in a second one removed from office. Preferably, the second one should be pushed through (and now I use it well-conidered and on purpose) by THE Kosovo Albanians. To give evidence for their maturity for the house of European families.
BTW and to get for a second back to your introductary remarks. I do not blame KLA and its leaders for what they considered a fight for their freedom - as long as they did not commit crimes and in particular crimes against humanity. But I put a blame on them and all their followers - like the mob on the rampage e.g. in 2004 - for what they did in terms of arson, looting, murder and ethnic cleansing as of 1999. And apparently the shame- and disgraceful campaigns have not come to an end yet.

adriatik

pre 12 godina

Total and utter garbage. You yourself seem to be privy to the conspiracy theories that abound these boards. Let me guess, Thaci, apparently sent his cronies in the North to divert from the negotiations? Where on Io did you read that? The custom officers were sent to implement a trade embargo on Serbian goods. That is it. I should point out, that I am no sympathizer of Thaci. However, when I read arguments which bear no resemblance to anything, I will challenge it. According to you, Thaci took the action that he took, because uncertainty benefits him personally. More rubbish. There is overwhelming consensus on the Kosovar Albanians that the trade barriers were a necessary step. It was approved by all significant players in Kosovo. Please, do make your theories a bit more substantial.

As for Thaci personally, what he is accused of and if as you tell me time and time again there is enough to convict him, let Hague, a body that has nothing to do with EULEX or NATO convict him and put him behind bars. Its as simple as that. Do not give me more theories however as to why they don't do this. Again they bear no resemblance on reality.

As for 2004, the Kosovar Gov. condemned and even jailed individuals who took part in lootings, ramapges etc. However, you yourself have alluded that going back to 1999 is unhelpful, so going back to 2004 does not help anyone either

adriatik

pre 12 godina

balkenbert

are you seriously suggesting that Thaci should have sent customs officers at the border with Albania, Macedonia & Montenegro...countries with which Kosovo does not have trade issue with? There is a reason why they were sent to Serbia, to implement a trades embargo. Serioulsy, if he wanted to provoke, he could have done this a long time ago, like say last year, 2 years ago, 3 years ago

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

In terms of smuggling all the mentioned borders, aministrative lines or however we want to term it are problematic (that´s what the guys in the missions there report. I believe (may be you don´t)a lot remains to be done in terms of smuggling everywhere. In the North the international missions should do it for the time being.
Another issue are the checkpoints in question and the implemention of customs there - as stipulated by UNMIK rules and regulations - and within that frame by agreements between Pristina and Belgrade (provided there are any). In order to avoid a conflict with negative impact for the citizens. EULEX personnel (if necessary supported by KFOR) should run the customs at the checkpoints in question. The deployment of personnel of Kosovo institutions should wait until the technical terms are beeing agreed upon in Brussels. Everything else (like the airlifting of personnel to places where nothing remains to be done for the guys) is waste of resources. Unilateral steps cannot lead to a solution and not contribute to peace and stability for Kosovo and the entire region.
I fear in this respect we have to agree again that we do not agree - and leave it for the meeting over a coffee :-))

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

So if KFOR stays in checkpoints implementing trade embargo (which could be imposed by independent countries only), it will mean that KFOR consider Kosovo independent country, then KFOR couldn't be called status neutral thus KFOR will break their status.

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.

Mini Me

pre 12 godina

US needs to make Kosova a success story. After 12 years, they aren't about to give up. Serbia should have thought about it before US got involved in the war

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@adriatik, 27 October 2011 18:54

The mantra-like refering to crimes committed under the rule of Milosevic does not lead anywhere when it comes to problems in Kosovo today - regardless that it will not be forgotten like I pointed out at several occasions. However, Milosevic was overthrown by the people of Serbia in the so-called Bulldozzer Revolution on 5 October 2000 - 11 years ago already and it was commemorated few weeks ago. So, tell me now when people in Kosovo will overthrow the warlords in Pristina - most of them under investigation because of their involvement in most severe crimes and crimes against humanity?

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance...
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)

Oh dear - it tells its own tale...

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Influence them to do what?
(adriatik, 27 October 2011 11:35)

... to undergo re-education in one of the camps of correction created for serial offeners in the US...

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)
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OMG, you really think you can defy the US?
They made you and they can break you. Don't you know that by now?
Think whatever you like but all they have to do is pack up camp Bondsteel and you are on your own and you know what that means.
(Peggy, 27 October 2011 12:52)

I know you are a Serbian Nationalist living in Austrlia and most likely have not been to Serbia or Kosovo in long time if ever so you do not see situation on the ground.

Ok USA leaves but you think this time around you will be able to push 1.7Million albanians like you did last time. It was eassy last time since this happened after 10years of Serbian oppression. If 40K Serbs are giving hard time to Kfor what do you think will happen to Serbia with all those Albaninas. Look at Afghanistan giving a hard time to USA and NATO a supper power do you think Kosovo will not give a really hard time to Serbia.

Serbia has only 18K solders now no Airplanes only 1 and not many tanks. This time Albanins are armed to teeth as well dont forget that.

Just do the math it does not add up.

During 1990s All Alabanian Diaspora for 10 years gave 3% of their earnings for Kosovo they will do same and this time there are much much more Albanians in EU, USA, Australia ... and regardles what some Serbs say here majority do not work in Pizza places we work in Fortune 500 and most of us are graduating form MIT and Harvard you wont be able to push us around as you wish.

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Ok Ballkanbert, belive whatever you like but I know how K-Albs feel cos I'm one of them and I'm speaking for 99.9% of K-Albs. If it's a tale for you that's fine with me.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Don't kid yourselves and think that you can stand on your own two feet 'Kosova'

If America was not involved you would have a lot to worry about.

America cannot keep a military interest in Europe forever and soon enough they will fall.

Akim

pre 12 godina

Pristina has no importance here. Taci etc. are simple minded, brutal bandits in black limousines. Northern Kosovo has nothing to do with the miserable life of Kosovo Albanians.
One needs to convince the US to solve the problem with a just partition.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Mrs Speaker there is no one in the World who will influence Prishtina to change their stance. Yes we love USA and we are grateful for their help but to change the stance when it comes to Kosovos independence there is no chance. No way. Just will not happend.
(Mendo, 27 October 2011 11:06)
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OMG, you really think you can defy the US?
They made you and they can break you. Don't you know that by now?
Think whatever you like but all they have to do is pack up camp Bondsteel and you are on your own and you know what that means.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@What is America supposed to influence the Albanians to do? Give up the North is that it?
(adriatik, 28 October 2011 11:35)
The US is supposed to influence the heads of institutions in Pristina (I do not tend to use the terms THE Albanians or THE Serbs for well-considered reasons - you might not have noticed it so far)in the sense that they ask them to stop ASAP their provocations. When I mention provocations I refer at this point to the unilateral steps aimed at the not yet agreed deployment of custom officers by the strongman in Pristina - officers wearing his uniforms and badges and obviously loyal to a man who is under strong suspicion of ivolvement in not only corruption but most severe crimes and crimes against humanity. I am sorry for repeating myself but some simply do not grasp it: Suspects like that are in other parts of the world where the rule of law is implemented already in custody and awaiting their trial behind bars. I strongly believe you do not have serious doubts that his announcement to send his "judges" to North Mitrovica - which he released about the same time and it immediately raised KFOR´s concern - was another specific and purposeful provocation aimed to derail the negotiations in Brussels.
All of us remember that the negotiations were bearing the first fruits. That was -my opinion - already too much for him and his accomplices. Only in conflict situations and in a crisis they can politically survive. Therefore they need to - for their political survival - spark crisis and conflict and armed conflict whenever deemed necessary by them.
So: In a first step they need to be put on a chain - in a second one removed from office. Preferably, the second one should be pushed through (and now I use it well-conidered and on purpose) by THE Kosovo Albanians. To give evidence for their maturity for the house of European families.
BTW and to get for a second back to your introductary remarks. I do not blame KLA and its leaders for what they considered a fight for their freedom - as long as they did not commit crimes and in particular crimes against humanity. But I put a blame on them and all their followers - like the mob on the rampage e.g. in 2004 - for what they did in terms of arson, looting, murder and ethnic cleansing as of 1999. And apparently the shame- and disgraceful campaigns have not come to an end yet.

Reader

pre 12 godina

No need for her to go to Washington to beg the US. Just give the Russians that base in Nis and give the Chinese a base in central Serbia too and you will see how the US position will change.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

@Engineer,

"I know you are a Serbian Nationalist living in Austrlia".
================================

Yes and proud of it so what's your point? That's how I know how the US does it's business.
Take a look at what has happened to all the leaders the US has supported in the past and all will be clear.
You will do as you are told until they no longer have a reason to support you. Waving US flags will not give them a warm fuzzy feeling about you and want to defend you. Hell, they will even turn on you just like they did to all their other puppets around the world.

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

Serbia has only 18K solders now no Airplanes only 1 and not many tanks. This time Albanins are armed to teeth as well dont forget that.

Just do the math it does not add up.

During 1990s All Alabanian Diaspora for 10 years gave 3% of their earnings for Kosovo they will do same and this time there are much much more Albanians in EU, USA, Australia ... and regardles what some Serbs say here majority do not work in Pizza places we work in Fortune 500 and most of us are graduating form MIT and Harvard you wont be able to push us around as you wish.
(Engineer, 27 October 2011 16:06)

The K-Albanians can be armed to their rotted teeth all they want. They still don't have heart. They will run across the border disguised as women just like the last time.

75% of the Albanians I went to high school with here in the US dropped out and work at their parents' restaurants/painting companies.

HAHA Engineer(of the Custodial Arts), you say "most of us are graduating from MIT and Harvard," yet myself, an MIT Alum, never met a single Albanian at MIT. And statistically, how can most Albanians got to MIT or Harvard? Your statement holds not ground. Simply word vomit.

adriatik

pre 12 godina

o balkanbert really, do give it a rest. i've read the kind of garbage you spew on these boards. seriously, if i was to listen to you, everything is the fault of those naughty Albanians. they attacked the peace loving, flower picking, song singing people of serbia.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL fat chance getting 'Murikuh to change its stance on anything, even when it knows its policy is wrong and harmful.

trizo

pre 12 godina

@ Akim,

One needs to convince the US to stop making decisions in other people's countries & for other people's lives...

Blessed be the day when the US is not the superpower it is today..I will cry tears of joy the day the Chinese or Russians start telling America why a state can or cannot declare independence... oh and also build a huge military base in their country.

J.Oker

pre 12 godina

"influence Priština" is an euphemism for the US ambassador in Pristina is telling the 'Kosovo government' what to do (like whom to elect as president)

adriatik

pre 12 godina

Total and utter garbage. You yourself seem to be privy to the conspiracy theories that abound these boards. Let me guess, Thaci, apparently sent his cronies in the North to divert from the negotiations? Where on Io did you read that? The custom officers were sent to implement a trade embargo on Serbian goods. That is it. I should point out, that I am no sympathizer of Thaci. However, when I read arguments which bear no resemblance to anything, I will challenge it. According to you, Thaci took the action that he took, because uncertainty benefits him personally. More rubbish. There is overwhelming consensus on the Kosovar Albanians that the trade barriers were a necessary step. It was approved by all significant players in Kosovo. Please, do make your theories a bit more substantial.

As for Thaci personally, what he is accused of and if as you tell me time and time again there is enough to convict him, let Hague, a body that has nothing to do with EULEX or NATO convict him and put him behind bars. Its as simple as that. Do not give me more theories however as to why they don't do this. Again they bear no resemblance on reality.

As for 2004, the Kosovar Gov. condemned and even jailed individuals who took part in lootings, ramapges etc. However, you yourself have alluded that going back to 1999 is unhelpful, so going back to 2004 does not help anyone either

adriatik

pre 12 godina

balkenbert

are you seriously suggesting that Thaci should have sent customs officers at the border with Albania, Macedonia & Montenegro...countries with which Kosovo does not have trade issue with? There is a reason why they were sent to Serbia, to implement a trades embargo. Serioulsy, if he wanted to provoke, he could have done this a long time ago, like say last year, 2 years ago, 3 years ago

adriatik

pre 12 godina

You really are grasping at thin air. Milosevic was not overthrown because of his treatment of Albanians, he was overthrown because he turned Serbia into an economic basket case and a de facto dictatorship. You read it in this forum everyday, how Kosovar Albanians had no reason to feel aggrieved. In fact, you yourself have contested that what amounted to in 1999 was ethnic cleansing. No my friend, Milosevic is not to blame for everything, its easy to lay responsibility on a dead guy. It is ordinary Serb attitudes towards Albanians that caused all this mess. Either way, I digress from the subject at hand.

What is America supposed to influence the Albanians to do? Give up the North is that it?

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@(adriatik, 28 October 2011 13:25)

... if the deployment of custom officers was about implementation of custom rules and regulations he would have started at the Kosovo-Albanian border, continued all the way along the Kosovo-Macedonian one - and after that could have asked EULEX (and KFOR as back-up) to run the custom procedures at the check-points in question until a mutual agreement is achieved in Brussels. Plus request to close down smuggling routes in the North. Better results, no provocation, good for ordinary citizens regardless ethnic or national background, Arians or not ;-), language, colour of the hair or eyes, size of the shoes or shape of the ears and stuff.
BTW I do not tend to conspiracy theories at all and ask you kindly to return to a civilised tone - if I insulted you I apologise.

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

I wish you have less hate for people and try to belittle people and put all nation in one big basket.
(Engineer, 27 October 2011 21:40)

What are you talking about? I didn't put an ethnicity in one big basket. I said what the Albanians do in my region. Then I pointed out how statistically ridiculous it was for you to say "most Albanians I'm America go to MIT and Harvard". If anything you were putting them in one basket trying to say every Albanian in America goes to the most prestigious of schools.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

In terms of smuggling all the mentioned borders, aministrative lines or however we want to term it are problematic (that´s what the guys in the missions there report. I believe (may be you don´t)a lot remains to be done in terms of smuggling everywhere. In the North the international missions should do it for the time being.
Another issue are the checkpoints in question and the implemention of customs there - as stipulated by UNMIK rules and regulations - and within that frame by agreements between Pristina and Belgrade (provided there are any). In order to avoid a conflict with negative impact for the citizens. EULEX personnel (if necessary supported by KFOR) should run the customs at the checkpoints in question. The deployment of personnel of Kosovo institutions should wait until the technical terms are beeing agreed upon in Brussels. Everything else (like the airlifting of personnel to places where nothing remains to be done for the guys) is waste of resources. Unilateral steps cannot lead to a solution and not contribute to peace and stability for Kosovo and the entire region.
I fear in this respect we have to agree again that we do not agree - and leave it for the meeting over a coffee :-))

Engineer

pre 12 godina

The K-Albanians can be armed to their rotted teeth all they want. They still don't have heart. They will run across the border disguised as women just like the last time.

75% of the Albanians I went to high school with here in the US dropped out and work at their parents' restaurants/painting companies.

HAHA Engineer(of the Custodial Arts), you say "most of us are graduating from MIT and Harvard," yet myself, an MIT Alum, never met a single Albanian at MIT. And statistically, how can most Albanians got to MIT or Harvard? Your statement holds not ground. Simply word vomit.
(Steve B., 27 October 2011 18:06)

Steve I went to MIT I am Albanian I am shocked you think like that. My wife is Electrical Engineer she went to Georgia tech.

My siter went to SLU university MD-PHD for free cardiology. this is just one Albanina family.

I can go on and on for many of my friends work in World Bank, Goldman, General Electric, ...

I am sure there are as well those who drop out but there are much many who do go to school but no one seems to speak of them.

I wish you have less hate for people and try to belittle people and put all nation in one big basket.

There is a Serbian girl that clean houses and another one that works in 7eleven near my company but I do not go speaking of Serbs being home cleaners as I know there are many educated ones.

By the way My grandfather did graduate from University of Belgrade and he told me how bad he got treated for being Albanian and many time given a 8 just for being Albanian.

We have been pushed around in the past but things will change - I understand its hard to see it with Thaqi in power but he will soon be gone but he will not be subbed by a Serbian leadership at least this is my humble opinion as we are all sharing opinions here :)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Balkanbert and adriatik,

Could any trade over administrative border be called smuggling? That's the problem with the definition of that kind of crime - if the border (between central Serbia and Kosovo) is administrative as Serbia and most other countries believe than free trade over it isn't smuggling, otherwise it is.
So from the point of view of authorities in Prishtina and all those who support them Serbs trading over Kosovo-cenral Serbia border are smuggles-criminals, while from the point of view of most countries they are not.

So the definition of the crime-smuggling is unseparately connected with the status of the border in question, thus with Kosovo status.
So if KFOR considers Serbs trading over the border in question to be smuggles neede to be delt with - then one could come to conclusion that they (KFOR) are not status-neutral thus exeeding their mandat.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

So if KFOR stays in checkpoints implementing trade embargo (which could be imposed by independent countries only), it will mean that KFOR consider Kosovo independent country, then KFOR couldn't be called status neutral thus KFOR will break their status.