Tuesday, 18.10.2011.
09:37
The ultimatum of the NATO forces in Kosovo, KFOR, set for the removal of barricades expired at midnight, but it was extended for another day on Tuesday.
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I seriously believe that Northern Serbs have more legitimate fight than the Kosovar Albanians. Why not?
(aaayyy, 19 October 2011 20:58)
Absolutely, I'd fully support them if their majority wants to declare independence from Kosovo. However, so far, I think they want to be part of Kosovo because they have not declared independence from Kosovo.
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you have to be strong -- this is my advice to all dissidents, and do not allow some nasty types to silence you -- ever.
(roberto, 19 October 2011 05:17)
you are far from being anything close to a dissident roberto despite what you tell yourself everyday.
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"they did. in case you didn't know, they did fight for equal rights and to keep their autonomy in 1989. they were mercilessly crushed. then they pursued peaceful resistance. their demands were ignored by serbia. students were actually kicked out of their domes and their university. then finally albanians began to embrace more radical elements as peaceful resistance had gotten them nowhere, thus the KLA came"
(adriatik, 18 October 2011 23:04)
I know this version, but you forgot to add that during that period of Kosovo autonomy Kosovo Serbs were terrorized and pushed to leave Kosovo, thus Milosevic came to power under the slogan of their protection.
" if you seriously believe the Northern Serbs have the same legitimate fight as the Kosovar Albanians."
(adriatik, 18 October 2011 23:04)
I seriously believe that Northern Serbs have more legitimate fight than the Kosovar Albanians. Why not?
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Adriatik-there you go again ruining your post spouting the same old rubbish how albanians will never forget. Forget what? No mass graves, no horsehoe, no ethnic cleansing. What exactly are the Albanians so upset about? Half the civilian casualties of the war were Serbs with 15% of the pop. Do your math. The only ones to be upset here are the serbs falsely accused of those lies. You are just trying to extend the lie as long as you can in the hope you will get what you want. I asked a Kosovo Albanian why he left Kosovo, and he said a Serb spat at him. Thats about it. Far worse things have been done to the serbs in the past decade than in a hundred years to the Albanians.
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adriatik to give you a balanced response to your post I have to remind you that there are less people in Kosovo trying to change things than there are in Serbia proper.
It is wrong to think that no Serbs believe that Albanians had legitimate grieviances of the policies of 1990's. What I personally take issue with is the way that many Kos Albanians today do not take any respnsibility for what went wrong in Kosovo. It was all about Serbian nationalist barbarity / stealing from Kosovo since time began etc etc. There is no mention of the incompetence of Communist Kos Albanian and Serb leaders who stole together, there is no mention of Kos Albanian nationalism of 1981 (long before Milosevic), during the period when Kos Albanians had more autonomy than ever before. There is no mention of incidents of discrimination against Serbs during that period.
History must now be rewritten in the interests of ensuring that Kosovo becomes an indepdendent state. Kosovo Albanians must be mobilised by this rewritten history and internationals must be informed of it. There is no room to stop and to consider how it came to this.
So if you ask me whether I would have done things differently regarding Kosovo I say hell yes. The problem is that today we are not living the 1990's, today we have a new situation, new actors and new mistakes are being made.
One injustice does not justify another. I truly wish that those people in Kosovo you say are trying to change things could bear this in mind. If its at all possible can they not step out of their own shoes for a moment and try to understand the position of the Kosovo Serbs and offer them an olive branch? After all if one supports Kosovo indepdence Kosovo Serbs are fellow citizens and must be won over.
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@Srboljub
what about the Albanians mass grave that were found INSIDE Serbia proper...who put them there? Do you think NATO or the KLA is to be blamed for that one?
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Wally
I will let this attempt at personal insult go "BTW, were you one of those who came here and lied on your asylum claim saying you were from Kosovo when actually you are from Albania".
if you really wish to know me, we can arrange to meet ANYWHERE you like in London and I will bring you my Birth Certificate ISSUED from Serbia that I got in 1997 in Prishtina. I do not know how familiar you are with a Kosovar Albanian accent. I will buy you a beer or coffee if you like. As for Albanians in London, I do not represent them. I never claimed Albanians are angels. I do not make sweeping generalizations like yourself. If you want to meet me, let me know, there are very nice cafes in London
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trizio
at the risk of going off subject, i find the study of history to be an academic pursuit, not a dogmatic one. as far as i'm concerned, the problem with people in the Balkans generally, but especially Albanians & Serbs is the lack of critical thinking applied to history. Both of our people look at the past with an almost idyllic perspective and indoctrinated theories. however, that is a discussion for a different thread.
If I am provoking an ire by saying that Kosovo is lost to Serbia then I can only apologize, but me not saying is not going to change that fact. Simple truth is this, 90% of the people who live in Kosovo do not wish to be part of Serbia and with good reason as well. War wounds have yet to heal and it'll take another generation, one that has not seen the 90's to establish trust with the other side again.
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Adriatik-I live in London too. Albanians are popular here huh? BTW, were you one of those who came here and lied on your asylum claim saying you were from Kosovo when actually you are from Albania. And the final chapter of this book has not been written yet. You shouldn't get your hopes up.
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Adriatik,
A lot of Serbians are not hostile to other ethnicities, however they(we) respond to any: false accusations, offensive comments, and generalisations of our people.
I personally feel sympathy for any human's grievances. Albanian & Serbian, I think that it's sad when family members are lost due to conflict.
The issue/debate is not so simple & there are so many variables in the equation of Kosovo. You said that Kosovo is lost from Serbia forever - I think that this is a great example of how you might spark someone's anger & retaliation at that statement. Kosovo wasn't born in 2008 when the K.Albanians declared independence, so you must remember that Serbians have a very long history in Kosovo (as do Albanians) and I don't think it's wise to make statements speculating on the final future of Kosovo.
There are bad things that happen to Serbs & Albanians in Kosovo and we all know that lives were lost from both sides. I think there is a lot of hatred built up inside people who have been affected by past conflicts.
The hatred grown from past events is a huge obstacle of finding resolutions between the two sides. There is always the natural instinct to blame someone, however in many cases I don't think it's right to blame so black & white.
The two ethnicities have lived in Kosovo for a very long time and you must respect that the Serbians have always seen Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia. Remember that you can't just look at this issue over a 20 or 30 year period but rather a 1000 year period.
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"Roberto" from "San Francisco" (in reality probably some other place in The Bay Area),
"Dissidents"? You are nothing more than a self-proclaimed, insecure agitator and false victim who is far more extreme and hate-spewing than the so-called people you claim to be tormenting you and others like you. You postive contributions are zero and your self-pittiness is infinite.
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You're right, I personally was a witness to the war. Do I hate Serbs? Well I live in London now, and the Serbs I have met here are very decent. They have good manners and are very polite. I have never discussed politics with them however as I fear that would be too contentious. The Serbs who contribute in this forum, i find to be a conspiracy-theory-believing bunch with a chip on their shoulder. Not one of them thinks that the Albanian grievance was legitimate. Most of them frankly have sympathy for Milosevic's policies, that is to say they want the territory of Kosovo, but not the actual people who live there (the 90% of the Albanians). So as far as I'm concerned, yes there does need to be a cultural change rather than a administrative change. Yes Albanians are imperfect, yes we have criminals and yes the current government in Prishtina is corrupt, but there are also people in Kosovo who are trying to change things. The way most Serbs on B92 reason is this: Thaci is a terrorist, therefor all Kosovar Albanians are terrorist, therefor Kosovo is Serbia. As I have said before, Kosovo is lost to Serbia forever and its no good blaming NATO because it really isn't NATO's fault.
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""" The KFOR is an Occupation Force trying to inagurate a Totalitarian Rule """ ?
Local Serbs put up the barricades in a bid to prevent the Kosovo Albanian authorities from installing their customs and police at Brnjak and Jarinje, on the administrative line between central Serbia and Kosovo.
Serbs in the north, where they form a majority, reject the authority of the government in Priština and the unilateral ethnic Albanian declaration of independence made in February 2008.
Comment -
All Military Forces of the World,
has its Legitimacy from their Godgiven Mission,
to Protect the Civilians.
That means they dont have the Monopoly to do it,
but the Obligation to.
If the Military Forces deprives the Civilians the God-Given-Rights to protect themselves,
they have Fallen Astray from the Godgiven Mission of theirs,
and become a Force of the Evil One.
Arn.Sweden.
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So, willi, as i was saying, you can see some of the nasty pieces alive and well at this site. so many of the right wing diaspora think they own this site, and they are not far from the truth, based on the way the "moderation" works (and doesn't.) on "b-92"!
so sad how things have devolved. for a dissident (to this site) you have to be tough and quite thick skinned; normal, sensitive types are sent packing pronto.
the funny thing is, they think they can force the rest of us off, but we have just the opposite reaction. no matter how ugly they get (and boy is it ugly) they can't get rid of all the dissidents.
so i always have the same advice, for minorities and dissidents (to this site); DON't be strangers. don't let them scare or intimidate you. don't quit because yr censored again, and again. just because they run one offensive, ugly characterization (99% about "the albos"), don't let it stop you, slow you down. just keep on trucken. don't let them define the "norm." we don't need their friggen permission!
we in the US have had many years participating in various free speech movements, anti-vietnam war demos (many anti war demos, though NOT in 1999!!), so this is just business as usual for us.
you have to be strong -- this is my advice to all dissidents, and do not allow some nasty types to silence you -- ever.
ciao. roberto frisco
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A few points:
Adriatik/Ben,
Reading your posts one can deduce from your comments that you/your family have been affected by some conflict/war with Serbia in the past, correct?
It would help you to learn that every Serbian on this website also have or has relatives that have been affected by conflict related events. What you both display is a heightened level of arrogance & an inner hatred of the Serbian race.
You continue to tell us that there will be no peace in the Balkans until "Serbians do this" & "Serbians stop this & that" etc but you are yet to look at yourselves & how much hatred/negativity you display toward the Serbian people (using this website as a medium).
It sounds like you have been 'taught' to hate us.
As for "Willi"..
Playing the victim after you've just disparaged our nation & our people is not going to get you any sympathy whatsoever.
I thank God that we do not follow the justice system in these "other countries" that you say we would go to court for if we posted something about someone's facebook. That is just ridiculous.
I want to give praise to the Serbians on this site who are defending all our legitimate rights with intellect (it really shows) instead of ignorance. Bravo.
Zivela Srbija - long live Serbia
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aaayy
they did. in case you didn't know, they did fight for equal rights and to keep their autonomy in 1989. they were mercilessly crushed. then they pursued peaceful resistance. their demands were ignored by serbia. students were actually kicked out of their domes and their university. then finally albanians began to embrace more radical elements as peaceful resistance had gotten them nowhere, thus the KLA came. perhaps you need to do a bit of reading and critical thinking if you seriously believe the Northern Serbs have the same legitimate fight as the Kosovar Albanians. but then, you really DO believe that so it doesn't matter
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Willi and Robbi,
Tsk-tsk.
You two brought your names here and placed them on the world-wide web.
Not very smart of you two.
Grow up!
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Willi Pfaff,
I have no interest in reading your Facebook page and judging you because of all kinds of personal issues that seemed to surface because of your lack of self-protection. By browsing through most of the comments I came to one conclusion: you are free to visit this site and share your opinions. However, if you start attacking Serbs and insult Serbia for biased reasons you have to be prepared to face offensive defense from people who are proud of their country and stand up to hate spewing people like you. Maybe this instinct behavior is the same as the Serbs in Kosovo display. They are fighting by their means and with their limitations in mind to an occupation and to something that goes against their heart and will. They have my full support and they will not live under Muslim rule, period! I know I would never do that myself.
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yeah. willi. welcome to "b92" where every dissident (to the site) is subject to such punishment fr the "patriots." who all live in the west. who are always facilitated here, no matter how inappropriate.
anyway, don't let them intimidate you... and welcome to the um community here.
ciao roberto frisco
(roberto, 18 October 2011 17:57)
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Roberto, if that's how you feel then why do you come here? I really would like to know. Why would someone who absolutely hates the site and people the site represents come here time and time again?
If B92 was really racist then your comments and many others by your brethren would not appear here.
I would love to see what would happen to Serb comments like yours and the rest of Albanian community on New Kosova Report. Well, I guess then would not be published but even if some mild ones get through you and the rest of the lynch mob would be all out in force attacking and being vulgar.
Yes, it was done there before so do us all a favour and stick to your own if you don't like ours.
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Like they say, if you can't stand the heat...(Englebert, 18 October 2011 18:07)
Well said. It is very strange how some people think they can take someone to court for revealing public information. Information they released themselves. LOL!
It is also strange how Albanians and supporters are complaining about getting slapped across the face with the truth every day. No one is forcing them here and no one is eating their sour grapes either.
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I am schocked to read the way your staff and some serbians treat somebody who didn't say anything else than some open minded serbian politicans say as well. You really seem to lack jounalistic professionalism, otherwise u would not allow persoanl attacks like that. This man did not say anything wrong, and he is right when he says, that this is the way most europeans think. This whole episode scheds a very bad light on your staff, as well as on the way the serbian public deals with minorities and their democratic reediness for Europe. If this is the way the serbian media and public deals with peoples comments than Serbia really isn't ready for Europe.
(herbert, 18 October 2011 19:06)
But he himself revealed his personal information, he chose not to hide it. He wasn't insulted, where did you see insults addressed to him?
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Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia,
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
These are Kosovo Serbs actions, not Serbia's. For your information not only Albanians live in Kosovo, but Serbs live there too.
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what they should have done is recognize croatia's right to cede from yugoslavia and lobbied for their rights to be recognized inside their new state. instead what they tried to do was wage to breakaway and join with serbia. when they lost that particular battle, they began to cry foul. its the same thing in kosovo. what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions.
adriatik
All Albanians should have done was to lobby that the right of Albanians be legitimized in YU/Serbia institutions. Instead what they are trying to do is wage to breakaway...
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what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions
adriatik,
There is a law, that if secessionist region (Kosovo that is) has got a compact enclave which doesn't want to separate (Kosovo North), it has right to stay within its original country (Serbia).
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Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory.
(Willi Pfaff)
Kosovo hasn't been recognized by the majority of countries. Whom do you call criminals and why? Those who enter North Kosovo from Serbia without Prishtina permission are not seen as criminal by MOST countries.
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Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
and why must those customs officers be ethnic Albanians? Not only ethnic Albanians live in Kosovo.
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LOL!!! Serbia is already in Europe and there's not much anyone can do about that, unless they can move mountains. It is interesting to note how Germany has kidnapped "Europe" and thinks it can abuse that word, just like the US has kidnapped "Democracy" and abuses it for it's own dictatorial needs.
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"All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, "
and we share this "different world" with the majority of countries
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RE:Willi Pfaff and the homophibic comments
I am schocked to read the way your staff and some serbians treat somebody who didn't say anything else than some open minded serbian politicans say as well. You really seem to lack jounalistic professionalism, otherwise u would not allow persoanl attacks like that. This man did not say anything wrong, and he is right when he says, that this is the way most europeans think. This whole episode scheds a very bad light on your staff, as well as on the way the serbian public deals with minorities and their democratic reediness for Europe. If this is the way the serbian media and public deals with peoples comments than Serbia really isn't ready for Europe.
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Oh yes, the longing to be part of Europe. I guess everyone should just forget how much blood West Europeans have spilt, not just on their continent, but on virtually every continent on the planet.
Raped, pillaged, destroyed entire nations and peoples, robbed, enslaved...
Where do you get off picking on Serbs who have dared defend themselves against Anglo-Saxon drones? Anglo-American empire used the people of Balkans just like they used people of the Middle East against one another, got them to kill, destroy and hate each other.
And now you're selling everyone some kind of human rights, democracy and benevolence bull.
Is accepting Anglo-Saxon superiority what it takes to become 'European'? Ridiculous and shameless...
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Once a upon a time there was a couple. They lived in a house but were contstantly being bothered by that landlord. They moved out to another house directly next door to them where they heard life was better. The new landlord let them rent an entire apartment in the house and provided heating and electricity for free. They eventually grew into a family of ten after about twenty years. One day they decided that they didn't want to pay rent anymore but still wanted to live in the apartment. The landlord told them to pay or leave. Instead, that family trashed the apartment and made it seem as though the landlord was a slumlord. They called the city to investigate... the landlord had no idea what was going on... however he was convicted and sentanced to jail while the occupying, ungrateful, criminal family lived in and stole a chunk of his house! Does this seem right to you Europe!?!?!
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MikeC, what on Earth do Serbs have that anyone would need?
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Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Willi,
At school during geography lessons you should have watched maps instead of your boy classmates and then you would know where the boundaries of Europe are.
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
You complain about people not showing respect, yet you repeatedly insult an entire nation's population.....?
Don't be made because the readers here found out what your real grudge is with the Serbs. It wasn't political at all. It wasn't about what is right or what is wrong with the land grabbing. It was because of your sexual preference (not that there is anything wrong with that) and financial interests in the region.
PS- I don't know if you are new to the internet, but it is wise not to post your personal information (full name) in a place where you don't want someone to look you up.
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Englebert you are right. Not all Serbs are limited by the barricades, only the ordinary Serbs are.
Your understanding of Freedom of Movement and of the Normal Person is rather strange and this explains a lot.
The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
Englebert lets see your FB account?
(Olf, 18 October 2011 17:37)
Olf, you show your ignorance regarding the north of Kosovo by your statements. No one living there is inconvenienced by the road blocks, but in your world where you feed from the trough of propaganda in Pristina I guess it seems otherwise. Take a trip to "Little Columbia" [sic] and you would see for yourself. I know, I know, you will say you have been there... but your statements prove otherwise. Nice try.
As for Facebook - you first :)
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Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
Welcome to our life Willi.
This is the people we are dealing with for decades now... sade I know...
(ben, 18 October 2011 16:44)
I don't get it Willi and Benni!....lol...! Here we go again it is the Serbian b 92 staff that is going to be blamed again! You have nothing to say...It is your responsibility...I'll repeat, it is your own negligence that's the problem! The moment you post something online/facebook/linked etc others will get to view it! If it's online, I suppose it was meant for others to view it! Stop crying Germany! Shame on you for posting your racists comments earlier on!....Karma comes to the "man" on the other side of the gun!...Sa verom u boga!
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The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
(Olf, 18 October 2011 17:37)
LOL really bucko? KFOR was stopped in their tracks today by local people and you have the nerve to refer to them as criminals? What a joke! The Little Colombia is south of the Ibar where corruption is rampant and misery is abundant. Where's "Kosova's" authority up there? You think its KFOR? If so, then "Kosova" is compromising very nicely with those so-called "parallel institutions". Is there anyone on the Albanian side with even a shred of common sense these days? :)
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In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
What? Seriously? You are the one who chose to put your two cents in here and use your name, not me. If you are not able to manage to put your Facebook account on private it is not my problem nor B-92's. Do I care about your sexual orientation? Not in the least. Does your personal life come into play regarding your biased opinion on Kosovo and slander of Serbs? Obviously it does. I, for one, found it enlightening to see where your perspective comes from. BTW, where were you in the past to condemn homophobic posts by Albanians on here? Why did you remain silent then? Bias, perhaps?
Like they say, if you can't stand the heat...
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
yeah. willi. welcome to "b92" where every dissident (to the site) is subject to such punishment fr the "patriots." who all live in the west. who are always facilitated here, no matter how inappropriate.
anyway, don't let them intimidate you... and welcome to the um community here.
ciao roberto frisco
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"Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe."
Willi Pfaff
"Part of Europe". Let me tell you something. Serbia is more part of Europe then albanians anywhere will ever be. Serbs in Kosovo are defending their right not to belong to a maffia run so called state.
This is what a german newspaper is writing about Kosovo and what it has become under international/albanian rule. Serbia is Monaco compared to both albanian run parts of Kosovo and Albania put together. There is nothing albanians have that anyone would need, nothing!!!
Kosovo, opljackana zemlja
http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/711/Merila+vremena/974368/Kosovo%2C+oplja%C4%8Dkana+zemlja.html
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/themen/Kosovo
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Olf the Serbs are not limited by these barricades... only a twit who has not been up there would say something like that. Freedom of movement is fine for Serbs and foreigners as long as they are not serving Pristina. You see, when a normal person drives north of the Ibar there are no problems... I guess you prefer to fool yourself with the same old drivel.
Do you think that Serbs have been cut off from Serbia proper also? You need a reality check, mate.
I also seem to recall you yammering about the end of the north and "Little Columbia" [sic] 2 years ago.
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 13:57)
Englebert you are right. Not all Serbs are limited by the barricades, only the ordinary Serbs are.
Your understanding of Freedom of Movement and of the Normal Person is rather strange and this explains a lot.
The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
Anyhow, it i really nice to learn that some people seem to believe that barricades do not limit the Freedom of Movement and,
Serbs and Internationals that do not serve R.Kosovo interest are normal people and can cross north of the River Ribar.
Englebert lets see your FB account?
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Ah, Willi, sorry your feelings were hurt. Just feel free to say whatever you want about Serbs on a SERBIAN site. If you don't like it, why dont you find some German,Croatian or Albanian site to spout your hatred. That's right, there isn't one, where all opinions can be expressed.
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the anti gay comments listed here have nothing to do with the subject which is being discussed here, and it does not shed a good light an your journalic behaviour. It is not acceptable to try and discredit a person the way u do, and extremly poor journalistic behaviour. So he might be gay, so what.... but his opinion does reflect the way people think in Europe about the Serbian-Kosovo conflict, and the way u handle this comment by letting other people personally discredit this man shows that there obviously is a problem with human rights and democratic behaviour in Serbia.
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
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(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
Welcome to our life Willi.
This is the people we are dealing with for decades now... sade I know...
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People power in action! They stood up and KFOR stood down. No one wants violence and no one wants confrontation. The Serbian people just was peace and a chance to live their lives. This is what it's about, defending your homes and your land. Stand tall and keep the good fight going! You are part of a larger Occupy movement and time and justice are on your side! Those that call for violence against you know they've already lost.
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If this barricades are not moved by KFOR, then the worst case would be having Albanians moving in to remove them.
I don't think anyone wants another mass migration of people.
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Some may think it is about ethnicity. Maybe too many. Others do not. I do not. The main problem are the war lords, who capatilize on confrontation and armed conflict - politically and financially. That is why the heads of institutions in Pristina provoke and stir up trouble whenever negotitations are underway and gaining momentum. That is why nobody can trust their followers - may they appear in robes of judges or in the uniform of police or custom officers. With the gents ruling in Pristina currently it appears to be impossible to find a problem resolution - they represent the problem.
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adriatik-some salient points. Why should Serbs be forced to be subsumed into a hostile country? Let us have where we have lived for centuries, and you have where you live. And regarding Albanians, i know several and they are good people. Kosovo Albanians a different matter.
My grandfather was one of the few survivors of "Golgota", when Serb soldiers crossed Albania to reach Thessaloniki to help in the war effort in c.1914. The stories he told me about the Albanians at this time would make even you have your doubts. It was a complete wilderness where they would shoot you as much as look at you. Things I am sure have changed, but as you know Serbs have long memories.
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Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
[link]
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 14:00)
LOL...it certainly explains a lot, and explains this German's anti-Serb viewpoints and love of 'gay albania'. Say hi to Cedo for me! Well Will, I guess even you deserve some Respek!
[link]
LOL
(Dragan, 18 October 2011 14:44)
Yes, his profile speaks volumes. If you read far enough on his wall you will see references to meeting some boy-toy in Kosovo. I guess this is where his views on the Balkans come from being that he is a German.
I am interested to hear the anti-gay Albanians on here now that they can see Willi is pro gay BUT pro-Kosova [sic].
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LOL
(Dragan, 18 October 2011 14:44)
I think it could also be a love of money.
http://de.linkedin.com/pub/willi-pfaff/18/9a2/374
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Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
[link]
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 14:00)
LOL...it certainly explains a lot, and explains this German's anti-Serb viewpoints and love of 'gay albania'. Say hi to Cedo for me! Well Will, I guess even you deserve some Respek!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fsM9q27sc
LOL
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Bam bam-I guess it is only the serbs who are forced to 'assimilate' Do you realise how you sound? Croatians don't change their spots i guess.
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@Herbert Meyer-Bade
Here we go again: "Respect my authoritah!"
Could it be that you consider only your opinion to be valid???
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Just keep the cameras rolling and let the world see any potential removal of Serbian citizens, and how NATO deals with democratic demonstrators in their support of a narco-human trafficking regime of a fictional, illegal and immoral 'state'.
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i read an awful lot of paranoid comments here and more. you know what, serbs have themselves to blame for krajina. what they should have done is recognize croatia's right to cede from yugoslavia and lobbied for their rights to be recognized inside their new state. instead what they tried to do was wage to breakaway and join with serbia. when they lost that particular battle, they began to cry foul. its the same thing in kosovo. what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions. oh and btw, the kosovo constitution guarantees serbs far more rights than albanians EVER enjoyed inside Serbia (barring of course between 1974/1989 when serbs again decided to abolish those rights). what northern kosovo serbs have a problem with is an ethnicity. they are basically saying they do not want ETHNIC Albanians to be manning the border posts. how many Albanians manned the border between serbia and albanian in say 1989-1997? its simple, serbs purely and simple hate albanians. they view them as subhuman who should NEVER be given equal status but should rather be patronized occasionally be beaten and the rest. once they revise this attitude, then can there be peace in the balkans
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
https://www.facebook.com/people/Willi-Pfaff/1797593188
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These barricades remind me of the days when Martic's cromies put up barricades around the Knin area 1991 distrupting civil order and creating unrest. What the Serbs are doing is illegal and those perpetraitors should be arrested and given a choice live peacefully in recognised Kosova or leave. The Kosovo Serbs will once again learn the hardway just like the Krajina Serbs did assimilate or persih.
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Thanks to the German that apologised for the offensive comment made by "Willi"..
Willi, the Serbs are trying to find a solution that is also satisfactory (at least) to them too.
Comments like yours are so bias that they are just annoying to read. If you want your opinion to be heard then you have to actually say something with logic & due reasoning.
I just find it time wasting that KFOR are still wasting money & resources to oppose a losing battle. The Serbians have so many genuine reasons to blockade the development of an independent Kosovo controlled by Pristina & it is clear that they won't accept it.
The solutions to this problem are really very simple but we have many 'outsiders' who also want to decide the fate & outcome of Kosovo too.
Long live Serbia.
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Olf-takes one to know one.
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Re Willi Pfaff -
(Herbert Meyer-Bade, 18 October 2011 12:17)
thanks for the unnecessary and bizarre comment!
We will set now a referendum in Germany about this issue where every German can declare his opinion on this merit.
Shame though that the insurmountable problem with the direct democracy is the ignorance. Thus these type of decisions are delegated to the representatives. Those representatives that get the majority of votes can form a government. The govrnemnet who is well informed then takes position on such matters.
FYI the German Govt it seems that is almost totally in line with what Willi Pffaf said in his comment. So spare yourself some time.
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Willi,
With all due respect, your comment is a load of nonsense. It wreaks of arrogance and a basic lack of understanding of the situation in the Balkans. That rock of ignorance has seen many an imperialist flounder.
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Why should KFOR remove the barricades? Come winter, ordinary Serb population will remove them since they are the ones that are suffering from limited freedom of movement brought to them by Serbian mafia.
Anyhow, it seems as if the end of the Rule of Serbian mafia in Northern Part of Kosovo/Little Columbia is coming to an end.
(Olf, 18 October 2011 12:25)
Olf the Serbs are not limited by these barricades... only a twit who has not been up there would say something like that. Freedom of movement is fine for Serbs and foreigners as long as they are not serving Pristina. You see, when a normal person drives north of the Ibar there are no problems... I guess you prefer to fool yourself with the same old drivel.
Do you think that Serbs have been cut off from Serbia proper also? You need a reality check, mate.
I also seem to recall you yammering about the end of the north and "Little Columbia" [sic] 2 years ago.
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Why should KFOR remove the barricades? Come winter, ordinary Serb population will remove them since they are the ones that are suffering from limited freedom of movement brought to them by Serbian mafia.
Anyhow, it seems as if the end of the Rule of Serbian mafia in Northern Part of Kosovo/Little Columbia is coming to an end.
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Once again boys, KFOR/NATO/EULEX + P and W and they are all standing downwind to catching the spray.
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Re Willi Pfaff -
The name sounds German. As a German I apologize for the comment. That is a shame! The statement is absolutely insubstantial, insulting, repugnant, and filled with hatred. I consider it not in accordance with B92 rules for the posting of comments and urge you to remove it.
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
If 'Europe' is to behave like that, then I see no reason why anybody with good morals would want to be a part of it.
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
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Just keep the cameras rolling and let the world see any potential removal of Serbian citizens, and how NATO deals with democratic demonstrators in their support of a narco-human trafficking regime of a fictional, illegal and immoral 'state'.
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Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
[link]
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 14:00)
LOL...it certainly explains a lot, and explains this German's anti-Serb viewpoints and love of 'gay albania'. Say hi to Cedo for me! Well Will, I guess even you deserve some Respek!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fsM9q27sc
LOL
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
If 'Europe' is to behave like that, then I see no reason why anybody with good morals would want to be a part of it.
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Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Willi,
At school during geography lessons you should have watched maps instead of your boy classmates and then you would know where the boundaries of Europe are.
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
https://www.facebook.com/people/Willi-Pfaff/1797593188
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Re Willi Pfaff -
The name sounds German. As a German I apologize for the comment. That is a shame! The statement is absolutely insubstantial, insulting, repugnant, and filled with hatred. I consider it not in accordance with B92 rules for the posting of comments and urge you to remove it.
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Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
[link]
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 14:00)
LOL...it certainly explains a lot, and explains this German's anti-Serb viewpoints and love of 'gay albania'. Say hi to Cedo for me! Well Will, I guess even you deserve some Respek!
[link]
LOL
(Dragan, 18 October 2011 14:44)
Yes, his profile speaks volumes. If you read far enough on his wall you will see references to meeting some boy-toy in Kosovo. I guess this is where his views on the Balkans come from being that he is a German.
I am interested to hear the anti-gay Albanians on here now that they can see Willi is pro gay BUT pro-Kosova [sic].
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Thanks to the German that apologised for the offensive comment made by "Willi"..
Willi, the Serbs are trying to find a solution that is also satisfactory (at least) to them too.
Comments like yours are so bias that they are just annoying to read. If you want your opinion to be heard then you have to actually say something with logic & due reasoning.
I just find it time wasting that KFOR are still wasting money & resources to oppose a losing battle. The Serbians have so many genuine reasons to blockade the development of an independent Kosovo controlled by Pristina & it is clear that they won't accept it.
The solutions to this problem are really very simple but we have many 'outsiders' who also want to decide the fate & outcome of Kosovo too.
Long live Serbia.
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People power in action! They stood up and KFOR stood down. No one wants violence and no one wants confrontation. The Serbian people just was peace and a chance to live their lives. This is what it's about, defending your homes and your land. Stand tall and keep the good fight going! You are part of a larger Occupy movement and time and justice are on your side! Those that call for violence against you know they've already lost.
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Ah, Willi, sorry your feelings were hurt. Just feel free to say whatever you want about Serbs on a SERBIAN site. If you don't like it, why dont you find some German,Croatian or Albanian site to spout your hatred. That's right, there isn't one, where all opinions can be expressed.
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Willi,
With all due respect, your comment is a load of nonsense. It wreaks of arrogance and a basic lack of understanding of the situation in the Balkans. That rock of ignorance has seen many an imperialist flounder.
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Bam bam-I guess it is only the serbs who are forced to 'assimilate' Do you realise how you sound? Croatians don't change their spots i guess.
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
You complain about people not showing respect, yet you repeatedly insult an entire nation's population.....?
Don't be made because the readers here found out what your real grudge is with the Serbs. It wasn't political at all. It wasn't about what is right or what is wrong with the land grabbing. It was because of your sexual preference (not that there is anything wrong with that) and financial interests in the region.
PS- I don't know if you are new to the internet, but it is wise not to post your personal information (full name) in a place where you don't want someone to look you up.
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(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
Welcome to our life Willi.
This is the people we are dealing with for decades now... sade I know...
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Oh yes, the longing to be part of Europe. I guess everyone should just forget how much blood West Europeans have spilt, not just on their continent, but on virtually every continent on the planet.
Raped, pillaged, destroyed entire nations and peoples, robbed, enslaved...
Where do you get off picking on Serbs who have dared defend themselves against Anglo-Saxon drones? Anglo-American empire used the people of Balkans just like they used people of the Middle East against one another, got them to kill, destroy and hate each other.
And now you're selling everyone some kind of human rights, democracy and benevolence bull.
Is accepting Anglo-Saxon superiority what it takes to become 'European'? Ridiculous and shameless...
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Why should KFOR remove the barricades? Come winter, ordinary Serb population will remove them since they are the ones that are suffering from limited freedom of movement brought to them by Serbian mafia.
Anyhow, it seems as if the end of the Rule of Serbian mafia in Northern Part of Kosovo/Little Columbia is coming to an end.
(Olf, 18 October 2011 12:25)
Olf the Serbs are not limited by these barricades... only a twit who has not been up there would say something like that. Freedom of movement is fine for Serbs and foreigners as long as they are not serving Pristina. You see, when a normal person drives north of the Ibar there are no problems... I guess you prefer to fool yourself with the same old drivel.
Do you think that Serbs have been cut off from Serbia proper also? You need a reality check, mate.
I also seem to recall you yammering about the end of the north and "Little Columbia" [sic] 2 years ago.
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Olf-takes one to know one.
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Once again boys, KFOR/NATO/EULEX + P and W and they are all standing downwind to catching the spray.
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Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
Welcome to our life Willi.
This is the people we are dealing with for decades now... sade I know...
(ben, 18 October 2011 16:44)
I don't get it Willi and Benni!....lol...! Here we go again it is the Serbian b 92 staff that is going to be blamed again! You have nothing to say...It is your responsibility...I'll repeat, it is your own negligence that's the problem! The moment you post something online/facebook/linked etc others will get to view it! If it's online, I suppose it was meant for others to view it! Stop crying Germany! Shame on you for posting your racists comments earlier on!....Karma comes to the "man" on the other side of the gun!...Sa verom u boga!
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RE:Willi Pfaff and the homophibic comments
I am schocked to read the way your staff and some serbians treat somebody who didn't say anything else than some open minded serbian politicans say as well. You really seem to lack jounalistic professionalism, otherwise u would not allow persoanl attacks like that. This man did not say anything wrong, and he is right when he says, that this is the way most europeans think. This whole episode scheds a very bad light on your staff, as well as on the way the serbian public deals with minorities and their democratic reediness for Europe. If this is the way the serbian media and public deals with peoples comments than Serbia really isn't ready for Europe.
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In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
What? Seriously? You are the one who chose to put your two cents in here and use your name, not me. If you are not able to manage to put your Facebook account on private it is not my problem nor B-92's. Do I care about your sexual orientation? Not in the least. Does your personal life come into play regarding your biased opinion on Kosovo and slander of Serbs? Obviously it does. I, for one, found it enlightening to see where your perspective comes from. BTW, where were you in the past to condemn homophobic posts by Albanians on here? Why did you remain silent then? Bias, perhaps?
Like they say, if you can't stand the heat...
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"Roberto" from "San Francisco" (in reality probably some other place in The Bay Area),
"Dissidents"? You are nothing more than a self-proclaimed, insecure agitator and false victim who is far more extreme and hate-spewing than the so-called people you claim to be tormenting you and others like you. You postive contributions are zero and your self-pittiness is infinite.
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the anti gay comments listed here have nothing to do with the subject which is being discussed here, and it does not shed a good light an your journalic behaviour. It is not acceptable to try and discredit a person the way u do, and extremly poor journalistic behaviour. So he might be gay, so what.... but his opinion does reflect the way people think in Europe about the Serbian-Kosovo conflict, and the way u handle this comment by letting other people personally discredit this man shows that there obviously is a problem with human rights and democratic behaviour in Serbia.
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Willi Pfaff,
I have no interest in reading your Facebook page and judging you because of all kinds of personal issues that seemed to surface because of your lack of self-protection. By browsing through most of the comments I came to one conclusion: you are free to visit this site and share your opinions. However, if you start attacking Serbs and insult Serbia for biased reasons you have to be prepared to face offensive defense from people who are proud of their country and stand up to hate spewing people like you. Maybe this instinct behavior is the same as the Serbs in Kosovo display. They are fighting by their means and with their limitations in mind to an occupation and to something that goes against their heart and will. They have my full support and they will not live under Muslim rule, period! I know I would never do that myself.
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Some may think it is about ethnicity. Maybe too many. Others do not. I do not. The main problem are the war lords, who capatilize on confrontation and armed conflict - politically and financially. That is why the heads of institutions in Pristina provoke and stir up trouble whenever negotitations are underway and gaining momentum. That is why nobody can trust their followers - may they appear in robes of judges or in the uniform of police or custom officers. With the gents ruling in Pristina currently it appears to be impossible to find a problem resolution - they represent the problem.
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"Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe."
Willi Pfaff
"Part of Europe". Let me tell you something. Serbia is more part of Europe then albanians anywhere will ever be. Serbs in Kosovo are defending their right not to belong to a maffia run so called state.
This is what a german newspaper is writing about Kosovo and what it has become under international/albanian rule. Serbia is Monaco compared to both albanian run parts of Kosovo and Albania put together. There is nothing albanians have that anyone would need, nothing!!!
Kosovo, opljackana zemlja
http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/711/Merila+vremena/974368/Kosovo%2C+oplja%C4%8Dkana+zemlja.html
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/themen/Kosovo
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
yeah. willi. welcome to "b92" where every dissident (to the site) is subject to such punishment fr the "patriots." who all live in the west. who are always facilitated here, no matter how inappropriate.
anyway, don't let them intimidate you... and welcome to the um community here.
ciao roberto frisco
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yeah. willi. welcome to "b92" where every dissident (to the site) is subject to such punishment fr the "patriots." who all live in the west. who are always facilitated here, no matter how inappropriate.
anyway, don't let them intimidate you... and welcome to the um community here.
ciao roberto frisco
(roberto, 18 October 2011 17:57)
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Roberto, if that's how you feel then why do you come here? I really would like to know. Why would someone who absolutely hates the site and people the site represents come here time and time again?
If B92 was really racist then your comments and many others by your brethren would not appear here.
I would love to see what would happen to Serb comments like yours and the rest of Albanian community on New Kosova Report. Well, I guess then would not be published but even if some mild ones get through you and the rest of the lynch mob would be all out in force attacking and being vulgar.
Yes, it was done there before so do us all a favour and stick to your own if you don't like ours.
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Willi and Robbi,
Tsk-tsk.
You two brought your names here and placed them on the world-wide web.
Not very smart of you two.
Grow up!
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LOL
(Dragan, 18 October 2011 14:44)
I think it could also be a love of money.
http://de.linkedin.com/pub/willi-pfaff/18/9a2/374
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I am schocked to read the way your staff and some serbians treat somebody who didn't say anything else than some open minded serbian politicans say as well. You really seem to lack jounalistic professionalism, otherwise u would not allow persoanl attacks like that. This man did not say anything wrong, and he is right when he says, that this is the way most europeans think. This whole episode scheds a very bad light on your staff, as well as on the way the serbian public deals with minorities and their democratic reediness for Europe. If this is the way the serbian media and public deals with peoples comments than Serbia really isn't ready for Europe.
(herbert, 18 October 2011 19:06)
But he himself revealed his personal information, he chose not to hide it. He wasn't insulted, where did you see insults addressed to him?
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Why should KFOR remove the barricades? Come winter, ordinary Serb population will remove them since they are the ones that are suffering from limited freedom of movement brought to them by Serbian mafia.
Anyhow, it seems as if the end of the Rule of Serbian mafia in Northern Part of Kosovo/Little Columbia is coming to an end.
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adriatik-some salient points. Why should Serbs be forced to be subsumed into a hostile country? Let us have where we have lived for centuries, and you have where you live. And regarding Albanians, i know several and they are good people. Kosovo Albanians a different matter.
My grandfather was one of the few survivors of "Golgota", when Serb soldiers crossed Albania to reach Thessaloniki to help in the war effort in c.1914. The stories he told me about the Albanians at this time would make even you have your doubts. It was a complete wilderness where they would shoot you as much as look at you. Things I am sure have changed, but as you know Serbs have long memories.
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what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions
adriatik,
There is a law, that if secessionist region (Kosovo that is) has got a compact enclave which doesn't want to separate (Kosovo North), it has right to stay within its original country (Serbia).
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A few points:
Adriatik/Ben,
Reading your posts one can deduce from your comments that you/your family have been affected by some conflict/war with Serbia in the past, correct?
It would help you to learn that every Serbian on this website also have or has relatives that have been affected by conflict related events. What you both display is a heightened level of arrogance & an inner hatred of the Serbian race.
You continue to tell us that there will be no peace in the Balkans until "Serbians do this" & "Serbians stop this & that" etc but you are yet to look at yourselves & how much hatred/negativity you display toward the Serbian people (using this website as a medium).
It sounds like you have been 'taught' to hate us.
As for "Willi"..
Playing the victim after you've just disparaged our nation & our people is not going to get you any sympathy whatsoever.
I thank God that we do not follow the justice system in these "other countries" that you say we would go to court for if we posted something about someone's facebook. That is just ridiculous.
I want to give praise to the Serbians on this site who are defending all our legitimate rights with intellect (it really shows) instead of ignorance. Bravo.
Zivela Srbija - long live Serbia
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The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
(Olf, 18 October 2011 17:37)
LOL really bucko? KFOR was stopped in their tracks today by local people and you have the nerve to refer to them as criminals? What a joke! The Little Colombia is south of the Ibar where corruption is rampant and misery is abundant. Where's "Kosova's" authority up there? You think its KFOR? If so, then "Kosova" is compromising very nicely with those so-called "parallel institutions". Is there anyone on the Albanian side with even a shred of common sense these days? :)
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LOL!!! Serbia is already in Europe and there's not much anyone can do about that, unless they can move mountains. It is interesting to note how Germany has kidnapped "Europe" and thinks it can abuse that word, just like the US has kidnapped "Democracy" and abuses it for it's own dictatorial needs.
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These barricades remind me of the days when Martic's cromies put up barricades around the Knin area 1991 distrupting civil order and creating unrest. What the Serbs are doing is illegal and those perpetraitors should be arrested and given a choice live peacefully in recognised Kosova or leave. The Kosovo Serbs will once again learn the hardway just like the Krajina Serbs did assimilate or persih.
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Englebert you are right. Not all Serbs are limited by the barricades, only the ordinary Serbs are.
Your understanding of Freedom of Movement and of the Normal Person is rather strange and this explains a lot.
The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
Englebert lets see your FB account?
(Olf, 18 October 2011 17:37)
Olf, you show your ignorance regarding the north of Kosovo by your statements. No one living there is inconvenienced by the road blocks, but in your world where you feed from the trough of propaganda in Pristina I guess it seems otherwise. Take a trip to "Little Columbia" [sic] and you would see for yourself. I know, I know, you will say you have been there... but your statements prove otherwise. Nice try.
As for Facebook - you first :)
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Like they say, if you can't stand the heat...(Englebert, 18 October 2011 18:07)
Well said. It is very strange how some people think they can take someone to court for revealing public information. Information they released themselves. LOL!
It is also strange how Albanians and supporters are complaining about getting slapped across the face with the truth every day. No one is forcing them here and no one is eating their sour grapes either.
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i read an awful lot of paranoid comments here and more. you know what, serbs have themselves to blame for krajina. what they should have done is recognize croatia's right to cede from yugoslavia and lobbied for their rights to be recognized inside their new state. instead what they tried to do was wage to breakaway and join with serbia. when they lost that particular battle, they began to cry foul. its the same thing in kosovo. what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions. oh and btw, the kosovo constitution guarantees serbs far more rights than albanians EVER enjoyed inside Serbia (barring of course between 1974/1989 when serbs again decided to abolish those rights). what northern kosovo serbs have a problem with is an ethnicity. they are basically saying they do not want ETHNIC Albanians to be manning the border posts. how many Albanians manned the border between serbia and albanian in say 1989-1997? its simple, serbs purely and simple hate albanians. they view them as subhuman who should NEVER be given equal status but should rather be patronized occasionally be beaten and the rest. once they revise this attitude, then can there be peace in the balkans
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Once a upon a time there was a couple. They lived in a house but were contstantly being bothered by that landlord. They moved out to another house directly next door to them where they heard life was better. The new landlord let them rent an entire apartment in the house and provided heating and electricity for free. They eventually grew into a family of ten after about twenty years. One day they decided that they didn't want to pay rent anymore but still wanted to live in the apartment. The landlord told them to pay or leave. Instead, that family trashed the apartment and made it seem as though the landlord was a slumlord. They called the city to investigate... the landlord had no idea what was going on... however he was convicted and sentanced to jail while the occupying, ungrateful, criminal family lived in and stole a chunk of his house! Does this seem right to you Europe!?!?!
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Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory.
(Willi Pfaff)
Kosovo hasn't been recognized by the majority of countries. Whom do you call criminals and why? Those who enter North Kosovo from Serbia without Prishtina permission are not seen as criminal by MOST countries.
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aaayy
they did. in case you didn't know, they did fight for equal rights and to keep their autonomy in 1989. they were mercilessly crushed. then they pursued peaceful resistance. their demands were ignored by serbia. students were actually kicked out of their domes and their university. then finally albanians began to embrace more radical elements as peaceful resistance had gotten them nowhere, thus the KLA came. perhaps you need to do a bit of reading and critical thinking if you seriously believe the Northern Serbs have the same legitimate fight as the Kosovar Albanians. but then, you really DO believe that so it doesn't matter
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Re Willi Pfaff -
(Herbert Meyer-Bade, 18 October 2011 12:17)
thanks for the unnecessary and bizarre comment!
We will set now a referendum in Germany about this issue where every German can declare his opinion on this merit.
Shame though that the insurmountable problem with the direct democracy is the ignorance. Thus these type of decisions are delegated to the representatives. Those representatives that get the majority of votes can form a government. The govrnemnet who is well informed then takes position on such matters.
FYI the German Govt it seems that is almost totally in line with what Willi Pffaf said in his comment. So spare yourself some time.
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Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia,
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
These are Kosovo Serbs actions, not Serbia's. For your information not only Albanians live in Kosovo, but Serbs live there too.
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"All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, "
and we share this "different world" with the majority of countries
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@Herbert Meyer-Bade
Here we go again: "Respect my authoritah!"
Could it be that you consider only your opinion to be valid???
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Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
and why must those customs officers be ethnic Albanians? Not only ethnic Albanians live in Kosovo.
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what they should have done is recognize croatia's right to cede from yugoslavia and lobbied for their rights to be recognized inside their new state. instead what they tried to do was wage to breakaway and join with serbia. when they lost that particular battle, they began to cry foul. its the same thing in kosovo. what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions.
adriatik
All Albanians should have done was to lobby that the right of Albanians be legitimized in YU/Serbia institutions. Instead what they are trying to do is wage to breakaway...
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Adriatik,
A lot of Serbians are not hostile to other ethnicities, however they(we) respond to any: false accusations, offensive comments, and generalisations of our people.
I personally feel sympathy for any human's grievances. Albanian & Serbian, I think that it's sad when family members are lost due to conflict.
The issue/debate is not so simple & there are so many variables in the equation of Kosovo. You said that Kosovo is lost from Serbia forever - I think that this is a great example of how you might spark someone's anger & retaliation at that statement. Kosovo wasn't born in 2008 when the K.Albanians declared independence, so you must remember that Serbians have a very long history in Kosovo (as do Albanians) and I don't think it's wise to make statements speculating on the final future of Kosovo.
There are bad things that happen to Serbs & Albanians in Kosovo and we all know that lives were lost from both sides. I think there is a lot of hatred built up inside people who have been affected by past conflicts.
The hatred grown from past events is a huge obstacle of finding resolutions between the two sides. There is always the natural instinct to blame someone, however in many cases I don't think it's right to blame so black & white.
The two ethnicities have lived in Kosovo for a very long time and you must respect that the Serbians have always seen Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia. Remember that you can't just look at this issue over a 20 or 30 year period but rather a 1000 year period.
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MikeC, what on Earth do Serbs have that anyone would need?
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Olf the Serbs are not limited by these barricades... only a twit who has not been up there would say something like that. Freedom of movement is fine for Serbs and foreigners as long as they are not serving Pristina. You see, when a normal person drives north of the Ibar there are no problems... I guess you prefer to fool yourself with the same old drivel.
Do you think that Serbs have been cut off from Serbia proper also? You need a reality check, mate.
I also seem to recall you yammering about the end of the north and "Little Columbia" [sic] 2 years ago.
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 13:57)
Englebert you are right. Not all Serbs are limited by the barricades, only the ordinary Serbs are.
Your understanding of Freedom of Movement and of the Normal Person is rather strange and this explains a lot.
The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
Anyhow, it i really nice to learn that some people seem to believe that barricades do not limit the Freedom of Movement and,
Serbs and Internationals that do not serve R.Kosovo interest are normal people and can cross north of the River Ribar.
Englebert lets see your FB account?
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""" The KFOR is an Occupation Force trying to inagurate a Totalitarian Rule """ ?
Local Serbs put up the barricades in a bid to prevent the Kosovo Albanian authorities from installing their customs and police at Brnjak and Jarinje, on the administrative line between central Serbia and Kosovo.
Serbs in the north, where they form a majority, reject the authority of the government in Priština and the unilateral ethnic Albanian declaration of independence made in February 2008.
Comment -
All Military Forces of the World,
has its Legitimacy from their Godgiven Mission,
to Protect the Civilians.
That means they dont have the Monopoly to do it,
but the Obligation to.
If the Military Forces deprives the Civilians the God-Given-Rights to protect themselves,
they have Fallen Astray from the Godgiven Mission of theirs,
and become a Force of the Evil One.
Arn.Sweden.
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Adriatik-there you go again ruining your post spouting the same old rubbish how albanians will never forget. Forget what? No mass graves, no horsehoe, no ethnic cleansing. What exactly are the Albanians so upset about? Half the civilian casualties of the war were Serbs with 15% of the pop. Do your math. The only ones to be upset here are the serbs falsely accused of those lies. You are just trying to extend the lie as long as you can in the hope you will get what you want. I asked a Kosovo Albanian why he left Kosovo, and he said a Serb spat at him. Thats about it. Far worse things have been done to the serbs in the past decade than in a hundred years to the Albanians.
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you have to be strong -- this is my advice to all dissidents, and do not allow some nasty types to silence you -- ever.
(roberto, 19 October 2011 05:17)
you are far from being anything close to a dissident roberto despite what you tell yourself everyday.
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If this barricades are not moved by KFOR, then the worst case would be having Albanians moving in to remove them.
I don't think anyone wants another mass migration of people.
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So, willi, as i was saying, you can see some of the nasty pieces alive and well at this site. so many of the right wing diaspora think they own this site, and they are not far from the truth, based on the way the "moderation" works (and doesn't.) on "b-92"!
so sad how things have devolved. for a dissident (to this site) you have to be tough and quite thick skinned; normal, sensitive types are sent packing pronto.
the funny thing is, they think they can force the rest of us off, but we have just the opposite reaction. no matter how ugly they get (and boy is it ugly) they can't get rid of all the dissidents.
so i always have the same advice, for minorities and dissidents (to this site); DON't be strangers. don't let them scare or intimidate you. don't quit because yr censored again, and again. just because they run one offensive, ugly characterization (99% about "the albos"), don't let it stop you, slow you down. just keep on trucken. don't let them define the "norm." we don't need their friggen permission!
we in the US have had many years participating in various free speech movements, anti-vietnam war demos (many anti war demos, though NOT in 1999!!), so this is just business as usual for us.
you have to be strong -- this is my advice to all dissidents, and do not allow some nasty types to silence you -- ever.
ciao. roberto frisco
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Adriatik-I live in London too. Albanians are popular here huh? BTW, were you one of those who came here and lied on your asylum claim saying you were from Kosovo when actually you are from Albania. And the final chapter of this book has not been written yet. You shouldn't get your hopes up.
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You're right, I personally was a witness to the war. Do I hate Serbs? Well I live in London now, and the Serbs I have met here are very decent. They have good manners and are very polite. I have never discussed politics with them however as I fear that would be too contentious. The Serbs who contribute in this forum, i find to be a conspiracy-theory-believing bunch with a chip on their shoulder. Not one of them thinks that the Albanian grievance was legitimate. Most of them frankly have sympathy for Milosevic's policies, that is to say they want the territory of Kosovo, but not the actual people who live there (the 90% of the Albanians). So as far as I'm concerned, yes there does need to be a cultural change rather than a administrative change. Yes Albanians are imperfect, yes we have criminals and yes the current government in Prishtina is corrupt, but there are also people in Kosovo who are trying to change things. The way most Serbs on B92 reason is this: Thaci is a terrorist, therefor all Kosovar Albanians are terrorist, therefor Kosovo is Serbia. As I have said before, Kosovo is lost to Serbia forever and its no good blaming NATO because it really isn't NATO's fault.
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adriatik to give you a balanced response to your post I have to remind you that there are less people in Kosovo trying to change things than there are in Serbia proper.
It is wrong to think that no Serbs believe that Albanians had legitimate grieviances of the policies of 1990's. What I personally take issue with is the way that many Kos Albanians today do not take any respnsibility for what went wrong in Kosovo. It was all about Serbian nationalist barbarity / stealing from Kosovo since time began etc etc. There is no mention of the incompetence of Communist Kos Albanian and Serb leaders who stole together, there is no mention of Kos Albanian nationalism of 1981 (long before Milosevic), during the period when Kos Albanians had more autonomy than ever before. There is no mention of incidents of discrimination against Serbs during that period.
History must now be rewritten in the interests of ensuring that Kosovo becomes an indepdendent state. Kosovo Albanians must be mobilised by this rewritten history and internationals must be informed of it. There is no room to stop and to consider how it came to this.
So if you ask me whether I would have done things differently regarding Kosovo I say hell yes. The problem is that today we are not living the 1990's, today we have a new situation, new actors and new mistakes are being made.
One injustice does not justify another. I truly wish that those people in Kosovo you say are trying to change things could bear this in mind. If its at all possible can they not step out of their own shoes for a moment and try to understand the position of the Kosovo Serbs and offer them an olive branch? After all if one supports Kosovo indepdence Kosovo Serbs are fellow citizens and must be won over.
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Wally
I will let this attempt at personal insult go "BTW, were you one of those who came here and lied on your asylum claim saying you were from Kosovo when actually you are from Albania".
if you really wish to know me, we can arrange to meet ANYWHERE you like in London and I will bring you my Birth Certificate ISSUED from Serbia that I got in 1997 in Prishtina. I do not know how familiar you are with a Kosovar Albanian accent. I will buy you a beer or coffee if you like. As for Albanians in London, I do not represent them. I never claimed Albanians are angels. I do not make sweeping generalizations like yourself. If you want to meet me, let me know, there are very nice cafes in London
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@Srboljub
what about the Albanians mass grave that were found INSIDE Serbia proper...who put them there? Do you think NATO or the KLA is to be blamed for that one?
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trizio
at the risk of going off subject, i find the study of history to be an academic pursuit, not a dogmatic one. as far as i'm concerned, the problem with people in the Balkans generally, but especially Albanians & Serbs is the lack of critical thinking applied to history. Both of our people look at the past with an almost idyllic perspective and indoctrinated theories. however, that is a discussion for a different thread.
If I am provoking an ire by saying that Kosovo is lost to Serbia then I can only apologize, but me not saying is not going to change that fact. Simple truth is this, 90% of the people who live in Kosovo do not wish to be part of Serbia and with good reason as well. War wounds have yet to heal and it'll take another generation, one that has not seen the 90's to establish trust with the other side again.
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"they did. in case you didn't know, they did fight for equal rights and to keep their autonomy in 1989. they were mercilessly crushed. then they pursued peaceful resistance. their demands were ignored by serbia. students were actually kicked out of their domes and their university. then finally albanians began to embrace more radical elements as peaceful resistance had gotten them nowhere, thus the KLA came"
(adriatik, 18 October 2011 23:04)
I know this version, but you forgot to add that during that period of Kosovo autonomy Kosovo Serbs were terrorized and pushed to leave Kosovo, thus Milosevic came to power under the slogan of their protection.
" if you seriously believe the Northern Serbs have the same legitimate fight as the Kosovar Albanians."
(adriatik, 18 October 2011 23:04)
I seriously believe that Northern Serbs have more legitimate fight than the Kosovar Albanians. Why not?
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I seriously believe that Northern Serbs have more legitimate fight than the Kosovar Albanians. Why not?
(aaayyy, 19 October 2011 20:58)
Absolutely, I'd fully support them if their majority wants to declare independence from Kosovo. However, so far, I think they want to be part of Kosovo because they have not declared independence from Kosovo.
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
https://www.facebook.com/people/Willi-Pfaff/1797593188
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Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
[link]
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 14:00)
LOL...it certainly explains a lot, and explains this German's anti-Serb viewpoints and love of 'gay albania'. Say hi to Cedo for me! Well Will, I guess even you deserve some Respek!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fsM9q27sc
LOL
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RE:Willi Pfaff and the homophibic comments
I am schocked to read the way your staff and some serbians treat somebody who didn't say anything else than some open minded serbian politicans say as well. You really seem to lack jounalistic professionalism, otherwise u would not allow persoanl attacks like that. This man did not say anything wrong, and he is right when he says, that this is the way most europeans think. This whole episode scheds a very bad light on your staff, as well as on the way the serbian public deals with minorities and their democratic reediness for Europe. If this is the way the serbian media and public deals with peoples comments than Serbia really isn't ready for Europe.
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Nice profile on Facebook, Willi. I see you have a deluded sense of reality on a wide range of issues...
[link]
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 14:00)
LOL...it certainly explains a lot, and explains this German's anti-Serb viewpoints and love of 'gay albania'. Say hi to Cedo for me! Well Will, I guess even you deserve some Respek!
[link]
LOL
(Dragan, 18 October 2011 14:44)
Yes, his profile speaks volumes. If you read far enough on his wall you will see references to meeting some boy-toy in Kosovo. I guess this is where his views on the Balkans come from being that he is a German.
I am interested to hear the anti-gay Albanians on here now that they can see Willi is pro gay BUT pro-Kosova [sic].
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i read an awful lot of paranoid comments here and more. you know what, serbs have themselves to blame for krajina. what they should have done is recognize croatia's right to cede from yugoslavia and lobbied for their rights to be recognized inside their new state. instead what they tried to do was wage to breakaway and join with serbia. when they lost that particular battle, they began to cry foul. its the same thing in kosovo. what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions. oh and btw, the kosovo constitution guarantees serbs far more rights than albanians EVER enjoyed inside Serbia (barring of course between 1974/1989 when serbs again decided to abolish those rights). what northern kosovo serbs have a problem with is an ethnicity. they are basically saying they do not want ETHNIC Albanians to be manning the border posts. how many Albanians manned the border between serbia and albanian in say 1989-1997? its simple, serbs purely and simple hate albanians. they view them as subhuman who should NEVER be given equal status but should rather be patronized occasionally be beaten and the rest. once they revise this attitude, then can there be peace in the balkans
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(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
Welcome to our life Willi.
This is the people we are dealing with for decades now... sade I know...
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Re Willi Pfaff -
The name sounds German. As a German I apologize for the comment. That is a shame! The statement is absolutely insubstantial, insulting, repugnant, and filled with hatred. I consider it not in accordance with B92 rules for the posting of comments and urge you to remove it.
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Why should KFOR remove the barricades? Come winter, ordinary Serb population will remove them since they are the ones that are suffering from limited freedom of movement brought to them by Serbian mafia.
Anyhow, it seems as if the end of the Rule of Serbian mafia in Northern Part of Kosovo/Little Columbia is coming to an end.
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Re Willi Pfaff -
(Herbert Meyer-Bade, 18 October 2011 12:17)
thanks for the unnecessary and bizarre comment!
We will set now a referendum in Germany about this issue where every German can declare his opinion on this merit.
Shame though that the insurmountable problem with the direct democracy is the ignorance. Thus these type of decisions are delegated to the representatives. Those representatives that get the majority of votes can form a government. The govrnemnet who is well informed then takes position on such matters.
FYI the German Govt it seems that is almost totally in line with what Willi Pffaf said in his comment. So spare yourself some time.
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
yeah. willi. welcome to "b92" where every dissident (to the site) is subject to such punishment fr the "patriots." who all live in the west. who are always facilitated here, no matter how inappropriate.
anyway, don't let them intimidate you... and welcome to the um community here.
ciao roberto frisco
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These barricades remind me of the days when Martic's cromies put up barricades around the Knin area 1991 distrupting civil order and creating unrest. What the Serbs are doing is illegal and those perpetraitors should be arrested and given a choice live peacefully in recognised Kosova or leave. The Kosovo Serbs will once again learn the hardway just like the Krajina Serbs did assimilate or persih.
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Olf the Serbs are not limited by these barricades... only a twit who has not been up there would say something like that. Freedom of movement is fine for Serbs and foreigners as long as they are not serving Pristina. You see, when a normal person drives north of the Ibar there are no problems... I guess you prefer to fool yourself with the same old drivel.
Do you think that Serbs have been cut off from Serbia proper also? You need a reality check, mate.
I also seem to recall you yammering about the end of the north and "Little Columbia" [sic] 2 years ago.
(Englebert, 18 October 2011 13:57)
Englebert you are right. Not all Serbs are limited by the barricades, only the ordinary Serbs are.
Your understanding of Freedom of Movement and of the Normal Person is rather strange and this explains a lot.
The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
Anyhow, it i really nice to learn that some people seem to believe that barricades do not limit the Freedom of Movement and,
Serbs and Internationals that do not serve R.Kosovo interest are normal people and can cross north of the River Ribar.
Englebert lets see your FB account?
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LOL
(Dragan, 18 October 2011 14:44)
I think it could also be a love of money.
http://de.linkedin.com/pub/willi-pfaff/18/9a2/374
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Willi,
With all due respect, your comment is a load of nonsense. It wreaks of arrogance and a basic lack of understanding of the situation in the Balkans. That rock of ignorance has seen many an imperialist flounder.
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
If 'Europe' is to behave like that, then I see no reason why anybody with good morals would want to be a part of it.
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Ah, Willi, sorry your feelings were hurt. Just feel free to say whatever you want about Serbs on a SERBIAN site. If you don't like it, why dont you find some German,Croatian or Albanian site to spout your hatred. That's right, there isn't one, where all opinions can be expressed.
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Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Willi,
At school during geography lessons you should have watched maps instead of your boy classmates and then you would know where the boundaries of Europe are.
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Thanks to the German that apologised for the offensive comment made by "Willi"..
Willi, the Serbs are trying to find a solution that is also satisfactory (at least) to them too.
Comments like yours are so bias that they are just annoying to read. If you want your opinion to be heard then you have to actually say something with logic & due reasoning.
I just find it time wasting that KFOR are still wasting money & resources to oppose a losing battle. The Serbians have so many genuine reasons to blockade the development of an independent Kosovo controlled by Pristina & it is clear that they won't accept it.
The solutions to this problem are really very simple but we have many 'outsiders' who also want to decide the fate & outcome of Kosovo too.
Long live Serbia.
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In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
What? Seriously? You are the one who chose to put your two cents in here and use your name, not me. If you are not able to manage to put your Facebook account on private it is not my problem nor B-92's. Do I care about your sexual orientation? Not in the least. Does your personal life come into play regarding your biased opinion on Kosovo and slander of Serbs? Obviously it does. I, for one, found it enlightening to see where your perspective comes from. BTW, where were you in the past to condemn homophobic posts by Albanians on here? Why did you remain silent then? Bias, perhaps?
Like they say, if you can't stand the heat...
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I am am appauled by what your station allows to be published about my personal life, and it shows that u have no respect for other people. That is low, as low as one can go, and it shows that u do not have any journalistic qualities. You should never allow to publish persoanl assaults like the one's from this person Engelhard, or whatever his name is to be published with references to other web sites. In civilized countries you would be taken to court for that, but it seems as if Serbia is not a civilized cointry. It is a country where where human rights obviously aren't respecrted at all. Shame on you!!!!
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
You complain about people not showing respect, yet you repeatedly insult an entire nation's population.....?
Don't be made because the readers here found out what your real grudge is with the Serbs. It wasn't political at all. It wasn't about what is right or what is wrong with the land grabbing. It was because of your sexual preference (not that there is anything wrong with that) and financial interests in the region.
PS- I don't know if you are new to the internet, but it is wise not to post your personal information (full name) in a place where you don't want someone to look you up.
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Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 16:20)
Welcome to our life Willi.
This is the people we are dealing with for decades now... sade I know...
(ben, 18 October 2011 16:44)
I don't get it Willi and Benni!....lol...! Here we go again it is the Serbian b 92 staff that is going to be blamed again! You have nothing to say...It is your responsibility...I'll repeat, it is your own negligence that's the problem! The moment you post something online/facebook/linked etc others will get to view it! If it's online, I suppose it was meant for others to view it! Stop crying Germany! Shame on you for posting your racists comments earlier on!....Karma comes to the "man" on the other side of the gun!...Sa verom u boga!
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So, willi, as i was saying, you can see some of the nasty pieces alive and well at this site. so many of the right wing diaspora think they own this site, and they are not far from the truth, based on the way the "moderation" works (and doesn't.) on "b-92"!
so sad how things have devolved. for a dissident (to this site) you have to be tough and quite thick skinned; normal, sensitive types are sent packing pronto.
the funny thing is, they think they can force the rest of us off, but we have just the opposite reaction. no matter how ugly they get (and boy is it ugly) they can't get rid of all the dissidents.
so i always have the same advice, for minorities and dissidents (to this site); DON't be strangers. don't let them scare or intimidate you. don't quit because yr censored again, and again. just because they run one offensive, ugly characterization (99% about "the albos"), don't let it stop you, slow you down. just keep on trucken. don't let them define the "norm." we don't need their friggen permission!
we in the US have had many years participating in various free speech movements, anti-vietnam war demos (many anti war demos, though NOT in 1999!!), so this is just business as usual for us.
you have to be strong -- this is my advice to all dissidents, and do not allow some nasty types to silence you -- ever.
ciao. roberto frisco
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"Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe."
Willi Pfaff
"Part of Europe". Let me tell you something. Serbia is more part of Europe then albanians anywhere will ever be. Serbs in Kosovo are defending their right not to belong to a maffia run so called state.
This is what a german newspaper is writing about Kosovo and what it has become under international/albanian rule. Serbia is Monaco compared to both albanian run parts of Kosovo and Albania put together. There is nothing albanians have that anyone would need, nothing!!!
Kosovo, opljackana zemlja
http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/711/Merila+vremena/974368/Kosovo%2C+oplja%C4%8Dkana+zemlja.html
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/themen/Kosovo
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A few points:
Adriatik/Ben,
Reading your posts one can deduce from your comments that you/your family have been affected by some conflict/war with Serbia in the past, correct?
It would help you to learn that every Serbian on this website also have or has relatives that have been affected by conflict related events. What you both display is a heightened level of arrogance & an inner hatred of the Serbian race.
You continue to tell us that there will be no peace in the Balkans until "Serbians do this" & "Serbians stop this & that" etc but you are yet to look at yourselves & how much hatred/negativity you display toward the Serbian people (using this website as a medium).
It sounds like you have been 'taught' to hate us.
As for "Willi"..
Playing the victim after you've just disparaged our nation & our people is not going to get you any sympathy whatsoever.
I thank God that we do not follow the justice system in these "other countries" that you say we would go to court for if we posted something about someone's facebook. That is just ridiculous.
I want to give praise to the Serbians on this site who are defending all our legitimate rights with intellect (it really shows) instead of ignorance. Bravo.
Zivela Srbija - long live Serbia
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yeah. willi. welcome to "b92" where every dissident (to the site) is subject to such punishment fr the "patriots." who all live in the west. who are always facilitated here, no matter how inappropriate.
anyway, don't let them intimidate you... and welcome to the um community here.
ciao roberto frisco
(roberto, 18 October 2011 17:57)
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Roberto, if that's how you feel then why do you come here? I really would like to know. Why would someone who absolutely hates the site and people the site represents come here time and time again?
If B92 was really racist then your comments and many others by your brethren would not appear here.
I would love to see what would happen to Serb comments like yours and the rest of Albanian community on New Kosova Report. Well, I guess then would not be published but even if some mild ones get through you and the rest of the lynch mob would be all out in force attacking and being vulgar.
Yes, it was done there before so do us all a favour and stick to your own if you don't like ours.
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Willi Pfaff,
I have no interest in reading your Facebook page and judging you because of all kinds of personal issues that seemed to surface because of your lack of self-protection. By browsing through most of the comments I came to one conclusion: you are free to visit this site and share your opinions. However, if you start attacking Serbs and insult Serbia for biased reasons you have to be prepared to face offensive defense from people who are proud of their country and stand up to hate spewing people like you. Maybe this instinct behavior is the same as the Serbs in Kosovo display. They are fighting by their means and with their limitations in mind to an occupation and to something that goes against their heart and will. They have my full support and they will not live under Muslim rule, period! I know I would never do that myself.
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aaayy
they did. in case you didn't know, they did fight for equal rights and to keep their autonomy in 1989. they were mercilessly crushed. then they pursued peaceful resistance. their demands were ignored by serbia. students were actually kicked out of their domes and their university. then finally albanians began to embrace more radical elements as peaceful resistance had gotten them nowhere, thus the KLA came. perhaps you need to do a bit of reading and critical thinking if you seriously believe the Northern Serbs have the same legitimate fight as the Kosovar Albanians. but then, you really DO believe that so it doesn't matter
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the anti gay comments listed here have nothing to do with the subject which is being discussed here, and it does not shed a good light an your journalic behaviour. It is not acceptable to try and discredit a person the way u do, and extremly poor journalistic behaviour. So he might be gay, so what.... but his opinion does reflect the way people think in Europe about the Serbian-Kosovo conflict, and the way u handle this comment by letting other people personally discredit this man shows that there obviously is a problem with human rights and democratic behaviour in Serbia.
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MikeC, what on Earth do Serbs have that anyone would need?
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Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
and why must those customs officers be ethnic Albanians? Not only ethnic Albanians live in Kosovo.
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@Herbert Meyer-Bade
Here we go again: "Respect my authoritah!"
Could it be that you consider only your opinion to be valid???
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Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory.
(Willi Pfaff)
Kosovo hasn't been recognized by the majority of countries. Whom do you call criminals and why? Those who enter North Kosovo from Serbia without Prishtina permission are not seen as criminal by MOST countries.
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You really don't get it. Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia, are complety onesided, distorded, and nationalistic. All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, and go on fooling yourself. Kosovo is a reality, and the only ones causing problems are serbians. Kosovo has every right to put customs officers at their border to stop the crimals and nationlists entering their territory. You have no, or only little support in the west for the way u act, and it is scary to read the way serbian people think about this whole matter. Serbia has to change completly if it ever wants to become part of Europe.
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
Oh yes, the longing to be part of Europe. I guess everyone should just forget how much blood West Europeans have spilt, not just on their continent, but on virtually every continent on the planet.
Raped, pillaged, destroyed entire nations and peoples, robbed, enslaved...
Where do you get off picking on Serbs who have dared defend themselves against Anglo-Saxon drones? Anglo-American empire used the people of Balkans just like they used people of the Middle East against one another, got them to kill, destroy and hate each other.
And now you're selling everyone some kind of human rights, democracy and benevolence bull.
Is accepting Anglo-Saxon superiority what it takes to become 'European'? Ridiculous and shameless...
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Serbia has no place in Europe with actions like that. Most of the things coming out of Serbia,
(Willi Pfaff, 18 October 2011 11:40)
These are Kosovo Serbs actions, not Serbia's. For your information not only Albanians live in Kosovo, but Serbs live there too.
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Just keep the cameras rolling and let the world see any potential removal of Serbian citizens, and how NATO deals with democratic demonstrators in their support of a narco-human trafficking regime of a fictional, illegal and immoral 'state'.
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Why should KFOR remove the barricades? Come winter, ordinary Serb population will remove them since they are the ones that are suffering from limited freedom of movement brought to them by Serbian mafia.
Anyhow, it seems as if the end of the Rule of Serbian mafia in Northern Part of Kosovo/Little Columbia is coming to an end.
(Olf, 18 October 2011 12:25)
Olf the Serbs are not limited by these barricades... only a twit who has not been up there would say something like that. Freedom of movement is fine for Serbs and foreigners as long as they are not serving Pristina. You see, when a normal person drives north of the Ibar there are no problems... I guess you prefer to fool yourself with the same old drivel.
Do you think that Serbs have been cut off from Serbia proper also? You need a reality check, mate.
I also seem to recall you yammering about the end of the north and "Little Columbia" [sic] 2 years ago.
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Bam bam-I guess it is only the serbs who are forced to 'assimilate' Do you realise how you sound? Croatians don't change their spots i guess.
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"All this redicules talk and the phrases u use, like,'the southern province', or the 'administrative line', show u live in a different world, "
and we share this "different world" with the majority of countries
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You're right, I personally was a witness to the war. Do I hate Serbs? Well I live in London now, and the Serbs I have met here are very decent. They have good manners and are very polite. I have never discussed politics with them however as I fear that would be too contentious. The Serbs who contribute in this forum, i find to be a conspiracy-theory-believing bunch with a chip on their shoulder. Not one of them thinks that the Albanian grievance was legitimate. Most of them frankly have sympathy for Milosevic's policies, that is to say they want the territory of Kosovo, but not the actual people who live there (the 90% of the Albanians). So as far as I'm concerned, yes there does need to be a cultural change rather than a administrative change. Yes Albanians are imperfect, yes we have criminals and yes the current government in Prishtina is corrupt, but there are also people in Kosovo who are trying to change things. The way most Serbs on B92 reason is this: Thaci is a terrorist, therefor all Kosovar Albanians are terrorist, therefor Kosovo is Serbia. As I have said before, Kosovo is lost to Serbia forever and its no good blaming NATO because it really isn't NATO's fault.
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what they should have done is recognize croatia's right to cede from yugoslavia and lobbied for their rights to be recognized inside their new state. instead what they tried to do was wage to breakaway and join with serbia. when they lost that particular battle, they began to cry foul. its the same thing in kosovo. what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions.
adriatik
All Albanians should have done was to lobby that the right of Albanians be legitimized in YU/Serbia institutions. Instead what they are trying to do is wage to breakaway...
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Like they say, if you can't stand the heat...(Englebert, 18 October 2011 18:07)
Well said. It is very strange how some people think they can take someone to court for revealing public information. Information they released themselves. LOL!
It is also strange how Albanians and supporters are complaining about getting slapped across the face with the truth every day. No one is forcing them here and no one is eating their sour grapes either.
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Willi and Robbi,
Tsk-tsk.
You two brought your names here and placed them on the world-wide web.
Not very smart of you two.
Grow up!
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LOL!!! Serbia is already in Europe and there's not much anyone can do about that, unless they can move mountains. It is interesting to note how Germany has kidnapped "Europe" and thinks it can abuse that word, just like the US has kidnapped "Democracy" and abuses it for it's own dictatorial needs.
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what serbia should do is recognize the new country and then place lobby that the right of serbs be legitimized in kosovo institutions
adriatik,
There is a law, that if secessionist region (Kosovo that is) has got a compact enclave which doesn't want to separate (Kosovo North), it has right to stay within its original country (Serbia).
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I am schocked to read the way your staff and some serbians treat somebody who didn't say anything else than some open minded serbian politicans say as well. You really seem to lack jounalistic professionalism, otherwise u would not allow persoanl attacks like that. This man did not say anything wrong, and he is right when he says, that this is the way most europeans think. This whole episode scheds a very bad light on your staff, as well as on the way the serbian public deals with minorities and their democratic reediness for Europe. If this is the way the serbian media and public deals with peoples comments than Serbia really isn't ready for Europe.
(herbert, 18 October 2011 19:06)
But he himself revealed his personal information, he chose not to hide it. He wasn't insulted, where did you see insults addressed to him?
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Once a upon a time there was a couple. They lived in a house but were contstantly being bothered by that landlord. They moved out to another house directly next door to them where they heard life was better. The new landlord let them rent an entire apartment in the house and provided heating and electricity for free. They eventually grew into a family of ten after about twenty years. One day they decided that they didn't want to pay rent anymore but still wanted to live in the apartment. The landlord told them to pay or leave. Instead, that family trashed the apartment and made it seem as though the landlord was a slumlord. They called the city to investigate... the landlord had no idea what was going on... however he was convicted and sentanced to jail while the occupying, ungrateful, criminal family lived in and stole a chunk of his house! Does this seem right to you Europe!?!?!
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"Roberto" from "San Francisco" (in reality probably some other place in The Bay Area),
"Dissidents"? You are nothing more than a self-proclaimed, insecure agitator and false victim who is far more extreme and hate-spewing than the so-called people you claim to be tormenting you and others like you. You postive contributions are zero and your self-pittiness is infinite.
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Olf-takes one to know one.
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If this barricades are not moved by KFOR, then the worst case would be having Albanians moving in to remove them.
I don't think anyone wants another mass migration of people.
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Some may think it is about ethnicity. Maybe too many. Others do not. I do not. The main problem are the war lords, who capatilize on confrontation and armed conflict - politically and financially. That is why the heads of institutions in Pristina provoke and stir up trouble whenever negotitations are underway and gaining momentum. That is why nobody can trust their followers - may they appear in robes of judges or in the uniform of police or custom officers. With the gents ruling in Pristina currently it appears to be impossible to find a problem resolution - they represent the problem.
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Englebert you are right. Not all Serbs are limited by the barricades, only the ordinary Serbs are.
Your understanding of Freedom of Movement and of the Normal Person is rather strange and this explains a lot.
The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
Englebert lets see your FB account?
(Olf, 18 October 2011 17:37)
Olf, you show your ignorance regarding the north of Kosovo by your statements. No one living there is inconvenienced by the road blocks, but in your world where you feed from the trough of propaganda in Pristina I guess it seems otherwise. Take a trip to "Little Columbia" [sic] and you would see for yourself. I know, I know, you will say you have been there... but your statements prove otherwise. Nice try.
As for Facebook - you first :)
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I seriously believe that Northern Serbs have more legitimate fight than the Kosovar Albanians. Why not?
(aaayyy, 19 October 2011 20:58)
Absolutely, I'd fully support them if their majority wants to declare independence from Kosovo. However, so far, I think they want to be part of Kosovo because they have not declared independence from Kosovo.
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People power in action! They stood up and KFOR stood down. No one wants violence and no one wants confrontation. The Serbian people just was peace and a chance to live their lives. This is what it's about, defending your homes and your land. Stand tall and keep the good fight going! You are part of a larger Occupy movement and time and justice are on your side! Those that call for violence against you know they've already lost.
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Adriatik-I live in London too. Albanians are popular here huh? BTW, were you one of those who came here and lied on your asylum claim saying you were from Kosovo when actually you are from Albania. And the final chapter of this book has not been written yet. You shouldn't get your hopes up.
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Once again boys, KFOR/NATO/EULEX + P and W and they are all standing downwind to catching the spray.
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adriatik-some salient points. Why should Serbs be forced to be subsumed into a hostile country? Let us have where we have lived for centuries, and you have where you live. And regarding Albanians, i know several and they are good people. Kosovo Albanians a different matter.
My grandfather was one of the few survivors of "Golgota", when Serb soldiers crossed Albania to reach Thessaloniki to help in the war effort in c.1914. The stories he told me about the Albanians at this time would make even you have your doubts. It was a complete wilderness where they would shoot you as much as look at you. Things I am sure have changed, but as you know Serbs have long memories.
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Adriatik,
A lot of Serbians are not hostile to other ethnicities, however they(we) respond to any: false accusations, offensive comments, and generalisations of our people.
I personally feel sympathy for any human's grievances. Albanian & Serbian, I think that it's sad when family members are lost due to conflict.
The issue/debate is not so simple & there are so many variables in the equation of Kosovo. You said that Kosovo is lost from Serbia forever - I think that this is a great example of how you might spark someone's anger & retaliation at that statement. Kosovo wasn't born in 2008 when the K.Albanians declared independence, so you must remember that Serbians have a very long history in Kosovo (as do Albanians) and I don't think it's wise to make statements speculating on the final future of Kosovo.
There are bad things that happen to Serbs & Albanians in Kosovo and we all know that lives were lost from both sides. I think there is a lot of hatred built up inside people who have been affected by past conflicts.
The hatred grown from past events is a huge obstacle of finding resolutions between the two sides. There is always the natural instinct to blame someone, however in many cases I don't think it's right to blame so black & white.
The two ethnicities have lived in Kosovo for a very long time and you must respect that the Serbians have always seen Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia. Remember that you can't just look at this issue over a 20 or 30 year period but rather a 1000 year period.
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trizio
at the risk of going off subject, i find the study of history to be an academic pursuit, not a dogmatic one. as far as i'm concerned, the problem with people in the Balkans generally, but especially Albanians & Serbs is the lack of critical thinking applied to history. Both of our people look at the past with an almost idyllic perspective and indoctrinated theories. however, that is a discussion for a different thread.
If I am provoking an ire by saying that Kosovo is lost to Serbia then I can only apologize, but me not saying is not going to change that fact. Simple truth is this, 90% of the people who live in Kosovo do not wish to be part of Serbia and with good reason as well. War wounds have yet to heal and it'll take another generation, one that has not seen the 90's to establish trust with the other side again.
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adriatik to give you a balanced response to your post I have to remind you that there are less people in Kosovo trying to change things than there are in Serbia proper.
It is wrong to think that no Serbs believe that Albanians had legitimate grieviances of the policies of 1990's. What I personally take issue with is the way that many Kos Albanians today do not take any respnsibility for what went wrong in Kosovo. It was all about Serbian nationalist barbarity / stealing from Kosovo since time began etc etc. There is no mention of the incompetence of Communist Kos Albanian and Serb leaders who stole together, there is no mention of Kos Albanian nationalism of 1981 (long before Milosevic), during the period when Kos Albanians had more autonomy than ever before. There is no mention of incidents of discrimination against Serbs during that period.
History must now be rewritten in the interests of ensuring that Kosovo becomes an indepdendent state. Kosovo Albanians must be mobilised by this rewritten history and internationals must be informed of it. There is no room to stop and to consider how it came to this.
So if you ask me whether I would have done things differently regarding Kosovo I say hell yes. The problem is that today we are not living the 1990's, today we have a new situation, new actors and new mistakes are being made.
One injustice does not justify another. I truly wish that those people in Kosovo you say are trying to change things could bear this in mind. If its at all possible can they not step out of their own shoes for a moment and try to understand the position of the Kosovo Serbs and offer them an olive branch? After all if one supports Kosovo indepdence Kosovo Serbs are fellow citizens and must be won over.
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Adriatik-there you go again ruining your post spouting the same old rubbish how albanians will never forget. Forget what? No mass graves, no horsehoe, no ethnic cleansing. What exactly are the Albanians so upset about? Half the civilian casualties of the war were Serbs with 15% of the pop. Do your math. The only ones to be upset here are the serbs falsely accused of those lies. You are just trying to extend the lie as long as you can in the hope you will get what you want. I asked a Kosovo Albanian why he left Kosovo, and he said a Serb spat at him. Thats about it. Far worse things have been done to the serbs in the past decade than in a hundred years to the Albanians.
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The end of Mafia rule in Little Columbia/North of Kosovo is nearer now than it was 2 years ago, I guess you can recall that too.
(Olf, 18 October 2011 17:37)
LOL really bucko? KFOR was stopped in their tracks today by local people and you have the nerve to refer to them as criminals? What a joke! The Little Colombia is south of the Ibar where corruption is rampant and misery is abundant. Where's "Kosova's" authority up there? You think its KFOR? If so, then "Kosova" is compromising very nicely with those so-called "parallel institutions". Is there anyone on the Albanian side with even a shred of common sense these days? :)
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Wally
I will let this attempt at personal insult go "BTW, were you one of those who came here and lied on your asylum claim saying you were from Kosovo when actually you are from Albania".
if you really wish to know me, we can arrange to meet ANYWHERE you like in London and I will bring you my Birth Certificate ISSUED from Serbia that I got in 1997 in Prishtina. I do not know how familiar you are with a Kosovar Albanian accent. I will buy you a beer or coffee if you like. As for Albanians in London, I do not represent them. I never claimed Albanians are angels. I do not make sweeping generalizations like yourself. If you want to meet me, let me know, there are very nice cafes in London
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@Srboljub
what about the Albanians mass grave that were found INSIDE Serbia proper...who put them there? Do you think NATO or the KLA is to be blamed for that one?
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you have to be strong -- this is my advice to all dissidents, and do not allow some nasty types to silence you -- ever.
(roberto, 19 October 2011 05:17)
you are far from being anything close to a dissident roberto despite what you tell yourself everyday.
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""" The KFOR is an Occupation Force trying to inagurate a Totalitarian Rule """ ?
Local Serbs put up the barricades in a bid to prevent the Kosovo Albanian authorities from installing their customs and police at Brnjak and Jarinje, on the administrative line between central Serbia and Kosovo.
Serbs in the north, where they form a majority, reject the authority of the government in Priština and the unilateral ethnic Albanian declaration of independence made in February 2008.
Comment -
All Military Forces of the World,
has its Legitimacy from their Godgiven Mission,
to Protect the Civilians.
That means they dont have the Monopoly to do it,
but the Obligation to.
If the Military Forces deprives the Civilians the God-Given-Rights to protect themselves,
they have Fallen Astray from the Godgiven Mission of theirs,
and become a Force of the Evil One.
Arn.Sweden.
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"they did. in case you didn't know, they did fight for equal rights and to keep their autonomy in 1989. they were mercilessly crushed. then they pursued peaceful resistance. their demands were ignored by serbia. students were actually kicked out of their domes and their university. then finally albanians began to embrace more radical elements as peaceful resistance had gotten them nowhere, thus the KLA came"
(adriatik, 18 October 2011 23:04)
I know this version, but you forgot to add that during that period of Kosovo autonomy Kosovo Serbs were terrorized and pushed to leave Kosovo, thus Milosevic came to power under the slogan of their protection.
" if you seriously believe the Northern Serbs have the same legitimate fight as the Kosovar Albanians."
(adriatik, 18 October 2011 23:04)
I seriously believe that Northern Serbs have more legitimate fight than the Kosovar Albanians. Why not?
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