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Monday, 17.10.2011.

10:13

Serbs in north organize "rehearsal" protest

Serb gathered this morning near the main barricade in the northern Kosovo village of Zupče to protest against the announced removal of the road blocks.

Izvor: Dojiæ Z. Jankoviæ N.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Who would allow them to declare independence from Kosovo? US/NATO said Kosovo division is out of question.
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

Well, we still don’t know if they want to be independent from Kosovo or not. If so, they should declare independence and then we’ll see if they will be able to achieve it or not. They need to follow the example of their grand-fathers in the 19th century that did not wait for the Ottoman Empire to tell them that Serbs could declare independence; they had the courage to go ahead and declare it anyway and defend it when it was necessary.



BTW where does Res 1244 say that Kosovo stamps could have independent state atributes
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

Nowhere; 1244 does not deal with custom stamp. I think you are confusing a customs code with a UNSC resolution :). UNMIK, under the powers given by 1244, decided that stamps labeled “Kosovo Customs” are OK.



and that Kosovo - central Serbia border should be guarded by ethnic Albanians?
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

1244 was not written by a racist mind to say that this or that ethnicity can do this or can’t do that; on the same token 1244 does not forbid any ethnicity from guarding the border. 1244 was not written to establish the apartheid in Kosovo. Indeed, nobody is sending ethnic Albanians to guard the border; it’s Kosovo Customs employees (from all ethnicities) that guard the Kosovo borders. Just see them as people, not as Albanians, Serbs, Roma, etc;



No I don’t think it’s an Albanian advising the Serbs because they are not smart enough – good for criminals and drug peddlers but not strategy; that requires intellect.
(sj, 18 October 2011 12:35)

Exactly, the advisors are so stupid that are giving stupid advise to the Serbs by advising them to cut themselves off Serbia with barricades.



Im not sure if anyone has told you but status quo is not good for Albanians or their so called independent Kosovo. 1224 means that UN rules not the democratic loving Albanians.
(sj, 18 October 2011 12:35)

Albanians declared independence (with much joy) from Serbia in accordance with 1244. They are happy that Serbia is not in control (and everybody agrees about that, Serbia included). We can discuss whether UN rules or not, but that’s not the main point; so let’s assume that the UN rules. Albanians are happy that Serbia does not rule. If you want to convince them not to be happy, by all means you are free to start an unhappiness campaign in Kosovo.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

In addition, N. Kosovo is still part of Kosovo since the majority of N. Kosovo inhabitants has not declared independence from Kosovo.
(icj1, 18 October 2011 04:02)

Who would allow them to declare independence from Kosovo? US/NATO said Kosovo division is out of question.

BTW where does Res 1244 say that Kosovo stamps could have independent state atributes and that Kosovo - central Serbia border should be guarded by ethnic Albanians?

sj

pre 12 godina

I don't think that the Serbs are an ignorant populace that needs advice about what's best for them. In any case, if there is anybody advising them, most likely must be some Kosovo Albanians, since the advice apparently is to erect barricades to cutt off the K. Serbs from Serbia.
(icj1, 18 October 2011 03:51)

No I don’t think it’s an Albanian advising the Serbs because they are not smart enough – good for criminals and drug peddlers but not strategy; that requires intellect.

Absolutely; and there is not going to be a change for a long time since resolution 1244 is still in force, as it's been in the last 12 years and everybody supports 1244 and KFOR, so why there should be a change to the status quo ?!
(icj1, 18 October 2011 03:59)

Im not sure if anyone has told you but status quo is not good for Albanians or their so called independent Kosovo. 1224 means that UN rules not the democratic loving Albanians.

Pero

pre 12 godina

Wonder,Albo has begun to be concerned for Serbian children and women, they are much safer on the road than at home - easy target for
kidnappings or sale.

icj1

pre 12 godina

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.

The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?
(trizo, 17 October 2011 23:20)

Albanians can't extend their rule to the North because Kosovo's Constitution gives the N. Kosovo inhabitants the right to manage their own affairs and the Kosovo's Constitution can't change without K. Serbs consent.

In addition, N. Kosovo is still part of Kosovo since the majority of N. Kosovo inhabitants has not declared independence from Kosovo.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Who ever is advising the Serbs is doing a very good job.
(sj, 17 October 2011 13:22)

I don't think that the Serbs are an ignorant populace that needs advice about what's best for them. In any case, if there is anybody advising them, most likely must be some Kosovo Albanians, since the advice apparently is to erect barricades to cutt off the K. Serbs from Serbia.

icj1

pre 12 godina

But I hate to disappoint these two troglodytes, its status quo 12 years and still going strong. No change.
(sj, 17 October 2011 22:40)

Absolutely; and there is not going to be a change for a long time since resolution 1244 is still in force, as it's been in the last 12 years and everybody supports 1244 and KFOR, so why there should be a change to the status quo ?!

Daleks for Miri

pre 12 godina

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)

Another albanian showing how 'european' they are. The same values as Turkey. You'd be better off as their backyard or you can climb into a metal box on wheels and shout 'exterminate, exterminate' like the daleks do on tv.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)
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When you say things like that, you are thinking of the other guy.

albsmart

pre 12 godina

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.


The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?
(trizo, 17 October 2011 23:20)
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Well, yes, we are discussing about the Northern enclaves where Serb’s live. Therefore, these are people lives we discussing about not merely a geographical habitation.
Why is it that the Serb across the Ibar “ deserve” to be part of Serbia and those on the opposite not? I just don’t understand the logic of it. We are not talking here about lack of freedom and rights for the habitants in North ( by the way there are Albanian living there too), but about people there refusing the authorities based on the only fact that is not Belgrade but Prishtina!
Practically speaking, on the ground there is nothing to suggest that the Albanian’s have any desire to “extent their rule” or even less to rule the Serb’s in the area. Moreover, we seem to forget that the Kosovo Police has been in the area (police officer from the local Serbs) and this only happen because Kosovo Police from Prishtina wanting to be present on the cross border between Kosovo and Serbia.
I understand the anger that that followed and the miss understanding, disinformation of the people. However, look at the reality now! The Border is being supervised by Prishtina and local politicians guided their people to desperate measure by coming up with road blocks! Surely they must had know that this is not only pathetic, but it will only make their situation more desperate… This is 2011 not the French revolution 1789! What’s next?
Yes, I agree that in the areas where the Serb’s are the majority Kosovo government need to give greater power and respect their choices. They can only enforce their authority if the local Serb’s will wish so! I know that is hard for the government and hard to find an easy way, but then again they choose to govern Kosovo they need to take the responsibilities.
I just wonder how long will it take for the Serb’s politician to understand that they can achieve so much more by being part of Kosovo, rather than ignore it.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Hey trizo, following your logic, what should Albanian's do with the Serb's living outside the North?
Moreover, since Albanians lack reasoning (as you put it ) what should Belgrade do with the Serb's living outside North who cannot build barricades? Or for that matter, do you think the Serb’s who blockades the roads are “superior” to their compatriot’s elsewhere in Kosovo?
If you think in 2011 the Serb’s in their northern enclaves will feel secure, happier and wealthy by surrounding themselves with roadblocks created with chairs and other old furniture, then is you who lacks logic.. Have you ever noticed that humans do a lot of things without a rational reason?
This is what this looks to me! It has nothing to do with Albanians. But then again, you can choose to ignore me if it makes you happy, as long as you are ruled by Belgrade and not your head.
(albsmart, 17 October 2011 20:55)

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albsmart,

I am always willing and open to listening to reasonable and logical arguments from opposing perspectives.

I think we both know that the Serbs living in the enclaves should have just as many rights as the Serbs in the North, only the difference is that south of the Ibar they are not geographically connected to Serbia like they are in the northern municipalities, in terms of transport/infrastructure; and these towns are predominantly made up of ethnic Serbs.

I certainly won't choose to "ignore" you & your views because at least you have brought some substance/reasoning to your debate (unlike many other Albanians who only post to offend).

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.


The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?

God

pre 12 godina

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)

Stop using my name to cover your insecurities and get back to flipping pizzas :)

sj

pre 12 godina

Hasim Thaci and KFOR is very soft with Serbs in Mitrovica. I would do the same with Serbs in Mitrovica like Mladic did in Srebrenica with Muslims.

Day of revenge will come sooner or later.

Peace to all non Serbs

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)


There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)



This is the true Albanian when the mask is taken off. Little wonder the European prisons iarefilled with them and no one can stand them in Europe.

How can anyone deal with savages like these, but then when you have revenge killings as part of your culture is the any wonder you get responses like this?

But I hate to disappoint these two troglodytes, its status quo 12 years and still going strong. No change.

Paul

pre 12 godina

These are proud moments for the Serbian people. Their peaceful and resolute protests are an example to us all. Let us hope that NATO can see reason here, NATO could use some good press too and they don't deserve it. Not yet.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.

Cowardly act!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

Thinking back it was the Albanians and Bosnian Muslims (and to a lesser degree the Croats) who had widespread use of child soldiers throughout the 90s, not the Serbs.

Arn.Sweden

pre 12 godina

What an hypocritical writing !.

I Quote -

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)

Comment - it is written -

"whith what judgements and Measuries you Judge and Measures to others,
should also be Judgen and Measuried to you again" !

If you Deem that the Albanians in Serbia,
has the right to freedom and independense from Serbia,
shall not the Serbians have the same Rights regarding the Albanians ?.

Typical Hypocrisy and Doubblestandard.

People with such wiews does not stand for the Truth,Rights,Rightousness,Freedom or Indipendence.

Arn.Sweden.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Actually Albanians are world champions in human shield tricks. How many their own children they sacrified for their case of Kosovo seccesion...

ZOhan

pre 12 godina

Hasim Thaci and KFOR is very soft with Serbs in Mitrovica. I would do the same with Serbs in Mitrovica like Mladic did in Srebrenica with Muslims.

Day of revenge will come sooner or later.

Peace to all non Serbs

God bless revenge in our hearts

Mirel from Albania

pre 12 godina

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

KFOR did not attack Serb civilians. Get that straight. As for defending their way of life, what is their of life? Do you think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life?
(adriatik, 17 October 2011 11:36)

Yes, I think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life.

albsmart

pre 12 godina

It makes no real sense that you want the North when there are no Albanians living there and when the population in the North are happy with Belgrade like they have always been.

If you Albanians can for one minute just reverse the situation and put yourselves in the shoes of the people putting up the roadblocks, then you would see how ridiculous the objective of Pristina's government extending to the North.

Stop with the ignorant and naive posts because it only makes you look likes fools.

Try and write things with substance and proper reasoning, otherwise nobody is listening.
(trizo, 17 October 2011 13:26)
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Hey trizo, following your logic, what should Albanian's do with the Serb's living outside the North?
Moreover, since Albanians lack reasoning (as you put it ) what should Belgrade do with the Serb's living outside North who cannot build barricades? Or for that matter, do you think the Serb’s who blockades the roads are “superior” to their compatriot’s elsewhere in Kosovo?
If you think in 2011 the Serb’s in their northern enclaves will feel secure, happier and wealthy by surrounding themselves with roadblocks created with chairs and other old furniture, then is you who lacks logic.. Have you ever noticed that humans do a lot of things without a rational reason?
This is what this looks to me! It has nothing to do with Albanians. But then again, you can choose to ignore me if it makes you happy, as long as you are ruled by Belgrade and not your head.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

(balkanernie, 17 October 2011 17:43)

Wrong, Ernie, once again wrong my dear friend. I have clearly indicated that I am assuming you know as much as I do. I do not blame you for a lack of knowledge. What you are doing is worse, I fear. I am afraid you are twisting the truth intentionally. Free yourself of the UCK ideology, break with the warlords, do not join the club of hatemongers.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Reports said there were women and children at the barricades, while schools are today closed in the area."

Yes, these are all criminals defending their homes and way of life. Funny that KFOR doesn't realize that northern Kosovo is a lost cause. It will not integrate with the criminals in Pristina.

balkanernie

pre 12 godina

@balkanbert

You could have cut a long story short by just saying: "Respect my authoritah!" That's what you meant to say anyway, isn't it?

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

The Albanians dont want Peace but land grab.

If the Albanians where Just,
they would have set upp the Border within Kosovo between the two comunities,
and left the Serbs alone in Peace.

But they wont and the international Comunity not either,
they are bouth Hypocrits and Hypocritical.

This will only be solved by Force.

Arn.Sweden.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@(balkanernie, 17 October 2011 14:02)

... thumb downards, Ernie, point missed. As you can easily figure I did not comment the article, but the comment of the "FREEDOM" fighter (another wannabe heroe?), who claimed that Serbs usually hide behind human shields.
As a German I have got my teeth in dark chapters of our history - and as a political scientist and as a longtime officer with a multinational organisation in the Balkans in the recent developments as well. Against this background I can tell you straight away: Your statement has no basis in facts at all. And that´s that.
However, you and me know very well that "others" have used it excessively. The ex (?)-commanders of an "organisation" like that you can find on the "government" benches in Pristina - the last stronghold of Balkan warlords as I stated already elsewhere.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL so let me get this straight: when rumors of Serb children going to the barricades are floated, Albanians cry against what they see as a forced cowardly act. When Albanian "kids" throw stones at Serb buses, desecrate graves and churches, and harass old Serbs, it's approved because of revenge from 1999. Albanian logic and attempts at sounding defiant never cease to amaze me. If this was Albanians protesting against Milosevic, they'd have absolutely no problem throwing one of their expendable kids into a hail of bullets so they can cry to CNN later :)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Oh yeah, before Albanians unilaterally declare themselves the defender of children's right... :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/13/world/for-albanians-it-s-come-to-this-a-son-for-a-tv.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

PEN

pre 12 godina

@Kosovo-USA.

'That would mean kidnapping and slavery of children.' You obviously don't see the irony of your silly comment. Half the brothels of Europe have eastern European women kidnapped or coerced by Albanian human traffickers and pimps. Many are barely adults. But who cares as long cash exchanges hands right.

Occupy Kosovo

pre 12 godina

People Power in action. Stand up to KFOR aggression. Albanians fought against tyrrany and won. The same should be applied for Serbs too.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

What a brilliant tactic, send the woman and children to defend the barriers. Set up cameras everywhere and lets see those NATO cowards attempt to harass them. After all, they are peaceful protestors and if they were men then NATO would be shooting at them. They can't call those women and children criminals now can they?

Based on the reaction from Albanians and the LDP, this is a very effective tactic. The only cowards we have are those Albanians hiding behind NATO and those NATO troops harassing women and children.

My friends, the revolution has started. The cowards will choke on their greed, in Serbia and around the Western world. They know their time is limited while the resistance is strong. No stone will be left unturned until victory is ours. You Albanians will regret dumping negotiations in the bin.

balkanernie

pre 12 godina

Your excitement is in vain, the comment measly: The Serbs will not copy the UCK-style.
(balkanbert, 17 October 2011 12:45)

Before commenting on an article one should perhaps read it first: "Reports said there were women and children at the barricades, while schools are today closed in the area."

Reader

pre 12 godina

"Zubin Potok Mayor Slaviša Ristić addressed several thousand people gathered today"
What is important now is to have the international media there tomorrow. Call all international media outlets and bring them to the site to witness genocide in action. If KFOR moves on the Serbs and provokes something, then let the world see.
(Daniel, 17 October 2011 12:34)


Absolutely agree, so we can finally see for ourselves these thousands of people the article is talking about. Really, is it so hard to take a picture of thousands of people and put it together with the article? All we seen so far is some people sitting on woods or one or two KFOR trucks. What we read however is on another level.

sj

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Serbs are not like Albanians and don’t treat their children as expendable items.
Why Thaci even worked with the CIA and murdered 40 Albanians to blame the Serbs so that the Us could start a war with Serbia – Albanians are a truly pathetic people little wonder that every European has little time for them.
Who ever is advising the Serbs is doing a very good job.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time."
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Probably as many people as there have been in Kosovo government who where happy about the killed RoSU policeman who later was called a 'martyr' - he died for Thaci's irresponsible plans to stir up the north.

Englebert

pre 12 godina

Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.

Cowardly act!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

You can tell that your argument is entirely an emotional rather than logical one. Serbs ay be accused of many things but hiding behind women and children is not one of them. Kosovo Albanians on the other hand are notorious for it back in the late 1990s...

I seem to recall one Kosovo Albanian terrorist named Adem Jashari who cowardly hid behind his wife and kids rather than surrender to Serbian forces for a slew of crimes. After 3 days of patient waiting by the Serbs resulted in a bloodbath because almost all his "beloved" family perished because Jashari used his family as a shield. Coward.

BT

pre 12 godina

The non serbs who are "trapped" because of these criminal barricades should remove the barricades where they live. Take the car, fill it with ak-47 and if some groups are threatening you with violence because you remove the barricade then you can send them to the funeral.

Tinka

pre 12 godina

Gentlemen, hold your horses!

Before getting excited about the alleged involvement of children in this, please wait until the facts are checked and confirmed. Do you remember what triggered the March 2004 riots? unsubstantiated roumors about the deliberate killing of some children, which were happily repeated all over and over without anyone bothering checking the facts. Take it as a lesson learned.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Well, what we ALL know from history (whether Albanian or Serbian) is that the Albanians never really did anything themselves. They always in the past & present joined the side of anyone opposed to Serbia (e.g. Germany/Austria/US/UK/Turkey).

It is so blatantly obvious that the Serbs are happy to live under the government in Belgrade and it should be left that way.

The K.Albanian government in Pristina needs to concentrate on the rest of Kosovo instead of being greedy and wanting it ALL.

The barricades have been set up and clearly show that they are ordinary people who do not wish to be ruled or governed by the Albanians and are quite happy the way things have always been for them i.e. under Serbian government.

All you Albanians on this website have nothing substantial to say about these roadblocks and the real issue at hand.

You all say the same thing that "Serbs are acting like this..", "Serbs are causing problems for KFOR", "Serbs are stupid for blocking roads" etc etc.. but really you have no argument? No reasoning or rationale for what you are saying.

Your objectives are to govern all municipalities in Northern Kosovo under the UDI Kosovo(a). However you just look like you are power hungry trying to govern people that don't want to be governed by you.

It makes no real sense that you want the North when there are no Albanians living there and when the population in the North are happy with Belgrade like they have always been.

If you Albanians can for one minute just reverse the situation and put yourselves in the shoes of the people putting up the roadblocks, then you would see how ridiculous the objective of Pristina's government extending to the North.

Stop with the ignorant and naive posts because it only makes you look likes fools.

Try and write things with substance and proper reasoning, otherwise nobody is listening.

ICJ

pre 12 godina

@ absolutely pathetic

I assume that you are not from the region, otherwise you would not make such a stupidly ill-informed comment about Serbs and human shields, while forgetting that Albanians are just as capable of doing the same. Perhaps you might like to look up Adem Jashari, a Kosovo Albanian hero who sacrificed his family for his political gain.

Sebastian

pre 12 godina

"Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them."

This is news, why is it not the headline?

Why is buried at the end of the story?

This merits an investigation in and of itself.

Let's see if the media in Serbia man up to investigate these reports properly.

Perhaps the honest journalists will be intimidated into not doing so, or because it just does not chime with the nationalistic content of most outlets and articles. It certainly paints a very different picture of the "heroic struggle" the nationalist media and politicians would like to try and fool the general population of the Republic of Serbia.
One small glimpse of the mentality of the people behind these barricades who co-opt children as a human shield.
Their own people - even children - appear expendable, but then, the same was true in Milosevic's day, too.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@absolutely pathetic -

Interesting comment, abolutely pathetic! Wether or not the info is true remains to be seen. Anyway, I am hoping you remember how the UCK-heroes loved to place women and kids into the exchange of fire in order to produce footage for the international media - to "parade this in the international forum" how you call it. The faked Racak "massacre" was only the peak of an iceberg concrning these war crimes. One day those responsible will be brought to justice, regardless how safe and secure they feel for the time being occupying the government benches in Pristina.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.
Cowardly act!
Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

Your excitement is in vain, the comment measly: The Serbs will not copy the UCK-style.

Self Determination

pre 12 godina

Seems somewhat hypocritical to deny Serbs the same degree of self determination afforded the Slovenians, Croatians, Bosnians, Macedonians, Albanians & Montenegrins. I guess fairness and consistency is just too much to ask for if you happen to be a Serb in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. It just goes to show might it right. In such circumstances the Serbs simply need to wait until Russia, India and China start punching their weight on an international level. Kosovo is on life support and living on borrowed time.

toknok

pre 12 godina

"Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them."

Kidnapping and human child trafficking in Serbia???

It is not the first time Serb kids are forced to cry over criminals for brownie points of propaganda.

Sick and pathetic it is tho...

Daniel

pre 12 godina

What is important now is to have the international media there tomorrow. Call all international media outlets and bring them to the site to witness genocide in action. If KFOR moves on the Serbs and provokes something, then let the world see.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

@absolutely pathetic,

People like you have no pride and no bollocks what so ever, you are cowards who if in a similar situation would be apathetically trampled all over. What do you expect them to do just give up? Fortunately Serbs stand up for themselves when they are under attack, unlike yourself.

Milan

pre 12 godina

Serbs in North Kosovo are protecting their freedom and their way of life .I hope KFOR will not attack Serb civilians like on 27th September.

Absolutely pathetic.

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.

adriatik

pre 12 godina

KFOR did not attack Serb civilians. Get that straight. As for defending their way of life, what is their of life? Do you think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life?

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them.


If the above happens, is called kidnapping&slavery of children

Milan

pre 12 godina

Serbs in North Kosovo are protecting their freedom and their way of life .I hope KFOR will not attack Serb civilians like on 27th September.

Self Determination

pre 12 godina

Seems somewhat hypocritical to deny Serbs the same degree of self determination afforded the Slovenians, Croatians, Bosnians, Macedonians, Albanians & Montenegrins. I guess fairness and consistency is just too much to ask for if you happen to be a Serb in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. It just goes to show might it right. In such circumstances the Serbs simply need to wait until Russia, India and China start punching their weight on an international level. Kosovo is on life support and living on borrowed time.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.
Cowardly act!
Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

Your excitement is in vain, the comment measly: The Serbs will not copy the UCK-style.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@absolutely pathetic -

Interesting comment, abolutely pathetic! Wether or not the info is true remains to be seen. Anyway, I am hoping you remember how the UCK-heroes loved to place women and kids into the exchange of fire in order to produce footage for the international media - to "parade this in the international forum" how you call it. The faked Racak "massacre" was only the peak of an iceberg concrning these war crimes. One day those responsible will be brought to justice, regardless how safe and secure they feel for the time being occupying the government benches in Pristina.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

@absolutely pathetic,

People like you have no pride and no bollocks what so ever, you are cowards who if in a similar situation would be apathetically trampled all over. What do you expect them to do just give up? Fortunately Serbs stand up for themselves when they are under attack, unlike yourself.

Absolutely pathetic.

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.

Daniel

pre 12 godina

What is important now is to have the international media there tomorrow. Call all international media outlets and bring them to the site to witness genocide in action. If KFOR moves on the Serbs and provokes something, then let the world see.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them.


If the above happens, is called kidnapping&slavery of children

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL so let me get this straight: when rumors of Serb children going to the barricades are floated, Albanians cry against what they see as a forced cowardly act. When Albanian "kids" throw stones at Serb buses, desecrate graves and churches, and harass old Serbs, it's approved because of revenge from 1999. Albanian logic and attempts at sounding defiant never cease to amaze me. If this was Albanians protesting against Milosevic, they'd have absolutely no problem throwing one of their expendable kids into a hail of bullets so they can cry to CNN later :)

adriatik

pre 12 godina

KFOR did not attack Serb civilians. Get that straight. As for defending their way of life, what is their of life? Do you think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life?

Zoran

pre 12 godina

What a brilliant tactic, send the woman and children to defend the barriers. Set up cameras everywhere and lets see those NATO cowards attempt to harass them. After all, they are peaceful protestors and if they were men then NATO would be shooting at them. They can't call those women and children criminals now can they?

Based on the reaction from Albanians and the LDP, this is a very effective tactic. The only cowards we have are those Albanians hiding behind NATO and those NATO troops harassing women and children.

My friends, the revolution has started. The cowards will choke on their greed, in Serbia and around the Western world. They know their time is limited while the resistance is strong. No stone will be left unturned until victory is ours. You Albanians will regret dumping negotiations in the bin.

PEN

pre 12 godina

@Kosovo-USA.

'That would mean kidnapping and slavery of children.' You obviously don't see the irony of your silly comment. Half the brothels of Europe have eastern European women kidnapped or coerced by Albanian human traffickers and pimps. Many are barely adults. But who cares as long cash exchanges hands right.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Reports said there were women and children at the barricades, while schools are today closed in the area."

Yes, these are all criminals defending their homes and way of life. Funny that KFOR doesn't realize that northern Kosovo is a lost cause. It will not integrate with the criminals in Pristina.

Englebert

pre 12 godina

Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.

Cowardly act!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

You can tell that your argument is entirely an emotional rather than logical one. Serbs ay be accused of many things but hiding behind women and children is not one of them. Kosovo Albanians on the other hand are notorious for it back in the late 1990s...

I seem to recall one Kosovo Albanian terrorist named Adem Jashari who cowardly hid behind his wife and kids rather than surrender to Serbian forces for a slew of crimes. After 3 days of patient waiting by the Serbs resulted in a bloodbath because almost all his "beloved" family perished because Jashari used his family as a shield. Coward.

toknok

pre 12 godina

"Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them."

Kidnapping and human child trafficking in Serbia???

It is not the first time Serb kids are forced to cry over criminals for brownie points of propaganda.

Sick and pathetic it is tho...

sj

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Serbs are not like Albanians and don’t treat their children as expendable items.
Why Thaci even worked with the CIA and murdered 40 Albanians to blame the Serbs so that the Us could start a war with Serbia – Albanians are a truly pathetic people little wonder that every European has little time for them.
Who ever is advising the Serbs is doing a very good job.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Oh yeah, before Albanians unilaterally declare themselves the defender of children's right... :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/13/world/for-albanians-it-s-come-to-this-a-son-for-a-tv.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

ICJ

pre 12 godina

@ absolutely pathetic

I assume that you are not from the region, otherwise you would not make such a stupidly ill-informed comment about Serbs and human shields, while forgetting that Albanians are just as capable of doing the same. Perhaps you might like to look up Adem Jashari, a Kosovo Albanian hero who sacrificed his family for his political gain.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time."
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Probably as many people as there have been in Kosovo government who where happy about the killed RoSU policeman who later was called a 'martyr' - he died for Thaci's irresponsible plans to stir up the north.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Well, what we ALL know from history (whether Albanian or Serbian) is that the Albanians never really did anything themselves. They always in the past & present joined the side of anyone opposed to Serbia (e.g. Germany/Austria/US/UK/Turkey).

It is so blatantly obvious that the Serbs are happy to live under the government in Belgrade and it should be left that way.

The K.Albanian government in Pristina needs to concentrate on the rest of Kosovo instead of being greedy and wanting it ALL.

The barricades have been set up and clearly show that they are ordinary people who do not wish to be ruled or governed by the Albanians and are quite happy the way things have always been for them i.e. under Serbian government.

All you Albanians on this website have nothing substantial to say about these roadblocks and the real issue at hand.

You all say the same thing that "Serbs are acting like this..", "Serbs are causing problems for KFOR", "Serbs are stupid for blocking roads" etc etc.. but really you have no argument? No reasoning or rationale for what you are saying.

Your objectives are to govern all municipalities in Northern Kosovo under the UDI Kosovo(a). However you just look like you are power hungry trying to govern people that don't want to be governed by you.

It makes no real sense that you want the North when there are no Albanians living there and when the population in the North are happy with Belgrade like they have always been.

If you Albanians can for one minute just reverse the situation and put yourselves in the shoes of the people putting up the roadblocks, then you would see how ridiculous the objective of Pristina's government extending to the North.

Stop with the ignorant and naive posts because it only makes you look likes fools.

Try and write things with substance and proper reasoning, otherwise nobody is listening.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

The Albanians dont want Peace but land grab.

If the Albanians where Just,
they would have set upp the Border within Kosovo between the two comunities,
and left the Serbs alone in Peace.

But they wont and the international Comunity not either,
they are bouth Hypocrits and Hypocritical.

This will only be solved by Force.

Arn.Sweden.

Occupy Kosovo

pre 12 godina

People Power in action. Stand up to KFOR aggression. Albanians fought against tyrrany and won. The same should be applied for Serbs too.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@(balkanernie, 17 October 2011 14:02)

... thumb downards, Ernie, point missed. As you can easily figure I did not comment the article, but the comment of the "FREEDOM" fighter (another wannabe heroe?), who claimed that Serbs usually hide behind human shields.
As a German I have got my teeth in dark chapters of our history - and as a political scientist and as a longtime officer with a multinational organisation in the Balkans in the recent developments as well. Against this background I can tell you straight away: Your statement has no basis in facts at all. And that´s that.
However, you and me know very well that "others" have used it excessively. The ex (?)-commanders of an "organisation" like that you can find on the "government" benches in Pristina - the last stronghold of Balkan warlords as I stated already elsewhere.

Tinka

pre 12 godina

Gentlemen, hold your horses!

Before getting excited about the alleged involvement of children in this, please wait until the facts are checked and confirmed. Do you remember what triggered the March 2004 riots? unsubstantiated roumors about the deliberate killing of some children, which were happily repeated all over and over without anyone bothering checking the facts. Take it as a lesson learned.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

(balkanernie, 17 October 2011 17:43)

Wrong, Ernie, once again wrong my dear friend. I have clearly indicated that I am assuming you know as much as I do. I do not blame you for a lack of knowledge. What you are doing is worse, I fear. I am afraid you are twisting the truth intentionally. Free yourself of the UCK ideology, break with the warlords, do not join the club of hatemongers.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Actually Albanians are world champions in human shield tricks. How many their own children they sacrified for their case of Kosovo seccesion...

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.

Cowardly act!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

Thinking back it was the Albanians and Bosnian Muslims (and to a lesser degree the Croats) who had widespread use of child soldiers throughout the 90s, not the Serbs.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

KFOR did not attack Serb civilians. Get that straight. As for defending their way of life, what is their of life? Do you think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life?
(adriatik, 17 October 2011 11:36)

Yes, I think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life.

Paul

pre 12 godina

These are proud moments for the Serbian people. Their peaceful and resolute protests are an example to us all. Let us hope that NATO can see reason here, NATO could use some good press too and they don't deserve it. Not yet.

sj

pre 12 godina

Hasim Thaci and KFOR is very soft with Serbs in Mitrovica. I would do the same with Serbs in Mitrovica like Mladic did in Srebrenica with Muslims.

Day of revenge will come sooner or later.

Peace to all non Serbs

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)


There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)



This is the true Albanian when the mask is taken off. Little wonder the European prisons iarefilled with them and no one can stand them in Europe.

How can anyone deal with savages like these, but then when you have revenge killings as part of your culture is the any wonder you get responses like this?

But I hate to disappoint these two troglodytes, its status quo 12 years and still going strong. No change.

Arn.Sweden

pre 12 godina

What an hypocritical writing !.

I Quote -

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)

Comment - it is written -

"whith what judgements and Measuries you Judge and Measures to others,
should also be Judgen and Measuried to you again" !

If you Deem that the Albanians in Serbia,
has the right to freedom and independense from Serbia,
shall not the Serbians have the same Rights regarding the Albanians ?.

Typical Hypocrisy and Doubblestandard.

People with such wiews does not stand for the Truth,Rights,Rightousness,Freedom or Indipendence.

Arn.Sweden.

God

pre 12 godina

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)

Stop using my name to cover your insecurities and get back to flipping pizzas :)

Sebastian

pre 12 godina

"Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them."

This is news, why is it not the headline?

Why is buried at the end of the story?

This merits an investigation in and of itself.

Let's see if the media in Serbia man up to investigate these reports properly.

Perhaps the honest journalists will be intimidated into not doing so, or because it just does not chime with the nationalistic content of most outlets and articles. It certainly paints a very different picture of the "heroic struggle" the nationalist media and politicians would like to try and fool the general population of the Republic of Serbia.
One small glimpse of the mentality of the people behind these barricades who co-opt children as a human shield.
Their own people - even children - appear expendable, but then, the same was true in Milosevic's day, too.

balkanernie

pre 12 godina

Your excitement is in vain, the comment measly: The Serbs will not copy the UCK-style.
(balkanbert, 17 October 2011 12:45)

Before commenting on an article one should perhaps read it first: "Reports said there were women and children at the barricades, while schools are today closed in the area."

balkanernie

pre 12 godina

@balkanbert

You could have cut a long story short by just saying: "Respect my authoritah!" That's what you meant to say anyway, isn't it?

Reader

pre 12 godina

"Zubin Potok Mayor Slaviša Ristić addressed several thousand people gathered today"
What is important now is to have the international media there tomorrow. Call all international media outlets and bring them to the site to witness genocide in action. If KFOR moves on the Serbs and provokes something, then let the world see.
(Daniel, 17 October 2011 12:34)


Absolutely agree, so we can finally see for ourselves these thousands of people the article is talking about. Really, is it so hard to take a picture of thousands of people and put it together with the article? All we seen so far is some people sitting on woods or one or two KFOR trucks. What we read however is on another level.

Mirel from Albania

pre 12 godina

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.

BT

pre 12 godina

The non serbs who are "trapped" because of these criminal barricades should remove the barricades where they live. Take the car, fill it with ak-47 and if some groups are threatening you with violence because you remove the barricade then you can send them to the funeral.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Hey trizo, following your logic, what should Albanian's do with the Serb's living outside the North?
Moreover, since Albanians lack reasoning (as you put it ) what should Belgrade do with the Serb's living outside North who cannot build barricades? Or for that matter, do you think the Serb’s who blockades the roads are “superior” to their compatriot’s elsewhere in Kosovo?
If you think in 2011 the Serb’s in their northern enclaves will feel secure, happier and wealthy by surrounding themselves with roadblocks created with chairs and other old furniture, then is you who lacks logic.. Have you ever noticed that humans do a lot of things without a rational reason?
This is what this looks to me! It has nothing to do with Albanians. But then again, you can choose to ignore me if it makes you happy, as long as you are ruled by Belgrade and not your head.
(albsmart, 17 October 2011 20:55)

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albsmart,

I am always willing and open to listening to reasonable and logical arguments from opposing perspectives.

I think we both know that the Serbs living in the enclaves should have just as many rights as the Serbs in the North, only the difference is that south of the Ibar they are not geographically connected to Serbia like they are in the northern municipalities, in terms of transport/infrastructure; and these towns are predominantly made up of ethnic Serbs.

I certainly won't choose to "ignore" you & your views because at least you have brought some substance/reasoning to your debate (unlike many other Albanians who only post to offend).

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.


The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?

Daleks for Miri

pre 12 godina

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)

Another albanian showing how 'european' they are. The same values as Turkey. You'd be better off as their backyard or you can climb into a metal box on wheels and shout 'exterminate, exterminate' like the daleks do on tv.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)
======================

When you say things like that, you are thinking of the other guy.

Pero

pre 12 godina

Wonder,Albo has begun to be concerned for Serbian children and women, they are much safer on the road than at home - easy target for
kidnappings or sale.

albsmart

pre 12 godina

It makes no real sense that you want the North when there are no Albanians living there and when the population in the North are happy with Belgrade like they have always been.

If you Albanians can for one minute just reverse the situation and put yourselves in the shoes of the people putting up the roadblocks, then you would see how ridiculous the objective of Pristina's government extending to the North.

Stop with the ignorant and naive posts because it only makes you look likes fools.

Try and write things with substance and proper reasoning, otherwise nobody is listening.
(trizo, 17 October 2011 13:26)
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Hey trizo, following your logic, what should Albanian's do with the Serb's living outside the North?
Moreover, since Albanians lack reasoning (as you put it ) what should Belgrade do with the Serb's living outside North who cannot build barricades? Or for that matter, do you think the Serb’s who blockades the roads are “superior” to their compatriot’s elsewhere in Kosovo?
If you think in 2011 the Serb’s in their northern enclaves will feel secure, happier and wealthy by surrounding themselves with roadblocks created with chairs and other old furniture, then is you who lacks logic.. Have you ever noticed that humans do a lot of things without a rational reason?
This is what this looks to me! It has nothing to do with Albanians. But then again, you can choose to ignore me if it makes you happy, as long as you are ruled by Belgrade and not your head.

sj

pre 12 godina

I don't think that the Serbs are an ignorant populace that needs advice about what's best for them. In any case, if there is anybody advising them, most likely must be some Kosovo Albanians, since the advice apparently is to erect barricades to cutt off the K. Serbs from Serbia.
(icj1, 18 October 2011 03:51)

No I don’t think it’s an Albanian advising the Serbs because they are not smart enough – good for criminals and drug peddlers but not strategy; that requires intellect.

Absolutely; and there is not going to be a change for a long time since resolution 1244 is still in force, as it's been in the last 12 years and everybody supports 1244 and KFOR, so why there should be a change to the status quo ?!
(icj1, 18 October 2011 03:59)

Im not sure if anyone has told you but status quo is not good for Albanians or their so called independent Kosovo. 1224 means that UN rules not the democratic loving Albanians.

ZOhan

pre 12 godina

Hasim Thaci and KFOR is very soft with Serbs in Mitrovica. I would do the same with Serbs in Mitrovica like Mladic did in Srebrenica with Muslims.

Day of revenge will come sooner or later.

Peace to all non Serbs

God bless revenge in our hearts

albsmart

pre 12 godina

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.


The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?
(trizo, 17 October 2011 23:20)
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Well, yes, we are discussing about the Northern enclaves where Serb’s live. Therefore, these are people lives we discussing about not merely a geographical habitation.
Why is it that the Serb across the Ibar “ deserve” to be part of Serbia and those on the opposite not? I just don’t understand the logic of it. We are not talking here about lack of freedom and rights for the habitants in North ( by the way there are Albanian living there too), but about people there refusing the authorities based on the only fact that is not Belgrade but Prishtina!
Practically speaking, on the ground there is nothing to suggest that the Albanian’s have any desire to “extent their rule” or even less to rule the Serb’s in the area. Moreover, we seem to forget that the Kosovo Police has been in the area (police officer from the local Serbs) and this only happen because Kosovo Police from Prishtina wanting to be present on the cross border between Kosovo and Serbia.
I understand the anger that that followed and the miss understanding, disinformation of the people. However, look at the reality now! The Border is being supervised by Prishtina and local politicians guided their people to desperate measure by coming up with road blocks! Surely they must had know that this is not only pathetic, but it will only make their situation more desperate… This is 2011 not the French revolution 1789! What’s next?
Yes, I agree that in the areas where the Serb’s are the majority Kosovo government need to give greater power and respect their choices. They can only enforce their authority if the local Serb’s will wish so! I know that is hard for the government and hard to find an easy way, but then again they choose to govern Kosovo they need to take the responsibilities.
I just wonder how long will it take for the Serb’s politician to understand that they can achieve so much more by being part of Kosovo, rather than ignore it.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Who ever is advising the Serbs is doing a very good job.
(sj, 17 October 2011 13:22)

I don't think that the Serbs are an ignorant populace that needs advice about what's best for them. In any case, if there is anybody advising them, most likely must be some Kosovo Albanians, since the advice apparently is to erect barricades to cutt off the K. Serbs from Serbia.

icj1

pre 12 godina

But I hate to disappoint these two troglodytes, its status quo 12 years and still going strong. No change.
(sj, 17 October 2011 22:40)

Absolutely; and there is not going to be a change for a long time since resolution 1244 is still in force, as it's been in the last 12 years and everybody supports 1244 and KFOR, so why there should be a change to the status quo ?!

icj1

pre 12 godina

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.

The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?
(trizo, 17 October 2011 23:20)

Albanians can't extend their rule to the North because Kosovo's Constitution gives the N. Kosovo inhabitants the right to manage their own affairs and the Kosovo's Constitution can't change without K. Serbs consent.

In addition, N. Kosovo is still part of Kosovo since the majority of N. Kosovo inhabitants has not declared independence from Kosovo.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

In addition, N. Kosovo is still part of Kosovo since the majority of N. Kosovo inhabitants has not declared independence from Kosovo.
(icj1, 18 October 2011 04:02)

Who would allow them to declare independence from Kosovo? US/NATO said Kosovo division is out of question.

BTW where does Res 1244 say that Kosovo stamps could have independent state atributes and that Kosovo - central Serbia border should be guarded by ethnic Albanians?

icj1

pre 12 godina

Who would allow them to declare independence from Kosovo? US/NATO said Kosovo division is out of question.
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

Well, we still don’t know if they want to be independent from Kosovo or not. If so, they should declare independence and then we’ll see if they will be able to achieve it or not. They need to follow the example of their grand-fathers in the 19th century that did not wait for the Ottoman Empire to tell them that Serbs could declare independence; they had the courage to go ahead and declare it anyway and defend it when it was necessary.



BTW where does Res 1244 say that Kosovo stamps could have independent state atributes
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

Nowhere; 1244 does not deal with custom stamp. I think you are confusing a customs code with a UNSC resolution :). UNMIK, under the powers given by 1244, decided that stamps labeled “Kosovo Customs” are OK.



and that Kosovo - central Serbia border should be guarded by ethnic Albanians?
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

1244 was not written by a racist mind to say that this or that ethnicity can do this or can’t do that; on the same token 1244 does not forbid any ethnicity from guarding the border. 1244 was not written to establish the apartheid in Kosovo. Indeed, nobody is sending ethnic Albanians to guard the border; it’s Kosovo Customs employees (from all ethnicities) that guard the Kosovo borders. Just see them as people, not as Albanians, Serbs, Roma, etc;



No I don’t think it’s an Albanian advising the Serbs because they are not smart enough – good for criminals and drug peddlers but not strategy; that requires intellect.
(sj, 18 October 2011 12:35)

Exactly, the advisors are so stupid that are giving stupid advise to the Serbs by advising them to cut themselves off Serbia with barricades.



Im not sure if anyone has told you but status quo is not good for Albanians or their so called independent Kosovo. 1224 means that UN rules not the democratic loving Albanians.
(sj, 18 October 2011 12:35)

Albanians declared independence (with much joy) from Serbia in accordance with 1244. They are happy that Serbia is not in control (and everybody agrees about that, Serbia included). We can discuss whether UN rules or not, but that’s not the main point; so let’s assume that the UN rules. Albanians are happy that Serbia does not rule. If you want to convince them not to be happy, by all means you are free to start an unhappiness campaign in Kosovo.

Absolutely pathetic.

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them.


If the above happens, is called kidnapping&slavery of children

adriatik

pre 12 godina

KFOR did not attack Serb civilians. Get that straight. As for defending their way of life, what is their of life? Do you think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life?

toknok

pre 12 godina

"Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them."

Kidnapping and human child trafficking in Serbia???

It is not the first time Serb kids are forced to cry over criminals for brownie points of propaganda.

Sick and pathetic it is tho...

Milan

pre 12 godina

Serbs in North Kosovo are protecting their freedom and their way of life .I hope KFOR will not attack Serb civilians like on 27th September.

Mirel from Albania

pre 12 godina

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.

BT

pre 12 godina

The non serbs who are "trapped" because of these criminal barricades should remove the barricades where they live. Take the car, fill it with ak-47 and if some groups are threatening you with violence because you remove the barricade then you can send them to the funeral.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@absolutely pathetic -

Interesting comment, abolutely pathetic! Wether or not the info is true remains to be seen. Anyway, I am hoping you remember how the UCK-heroes loved to place women and kids into the exchange of fire in order to produce footage for the international media - to "parade this in the international forum" how you call it. The faked Racak "massacre" was only the peak of an iceberg concrning these war crimes. One day those responsible will be brought to justice, regardless how safe and secure they feel for the time being occupying the government benches in Pristina.

ZOhan

pre 12 godina

Hasim Thaci and KFOR is very soft with Serbs in Mitrovica. I would do the same with Serbs in Mitrovica like Mladic did in Srebrenica with Muslims.

Day of revenge will come sooner or later.

Peace to all non Serbs

God bless revenge in our hearts

Sebastian

pre 12 godina

"Meanwhile in Belgrade, the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDP) issued a statements requesting "a check of information that schoolchildren will be taken to the barricades in northern Kosovo without the knowledge of their parents", adding that they learned this "from terrified parents", who chose to contact them."

This is news, why is it not the headline?

Why is buried at the end of the story?

This merits an investigation in and of itself.

Let's see if the media in Serbia man up to investigate these reports properly.

Perhaps the honest journalists will be intimidated into not doing so, or because it just does not chime with the nationalistic content of most outlets and articles. It certainly paints a very different picture of the "heroic struggle" the nationalist media and politicians would like to try and fool the general population of the Republic of Serbia.
One small glimpse of the mentality of the people behind these barricades who co-opt children as a human shield.
Their own people - even children - appear expendable, but then, the same was true in Milosevic's day, too.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

@absolutely pathetic,

People like you have no pride and no bollocks what so ever, you are cowards who if in a similar situation would be apathetically trampled all over. What do you expect them to do just give up? Fortunately Serbs stand up for themselves when they are under attack, unlike yourself.

Self Determination

pre 12 godina

Seems somewhat hypocritical to deny Serbs the same degree of self determination afforded the Slovenians, Croatians, Bosnians, Macedonians, Albanians & Montenegrins. I guess fairness and consistency is just too much to ask for if you happen to be a Serb in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. It just goes to show might it right. In such circumstances the Serbs simply need to wait until Russia, India and China start punching their weight on an international level. Kosovo is on life support and living on borrowed time.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.
Cowardly act!
Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

Your excitement is in vain, the comment measly: The Serbs will not copy the UCK-style.

balkanernie

pre 12 godina

Your excitement is in vain, the comment measly: The Serbs will not copy the UCK-style.
(balkanbert, 17 October 2011 12:45)

Before commenting on an article one should perhaps read it first: "Reports said there were women and children at the barricades, while schools are today closed in the area."

balkanernie

pre 12 godina

@balkanbert

You could have cut a long story short by just saying: "Respect my authoritah!" That's what you meant to say anyway, isn't it?

Daniel

pre 12 godina

What is important now is to have the international media there tomorrow. Call all international media outlets and bring them to the site to witness genocide in action. If KFOR moves on the Serbs and provokes something, then let the world see.

albsmart

pre 12 godina

It makes no real sense that you want the North when there are no Albanians living there and when the population in the North are happy with Belgrade like they have always been.

If you Albanians can for one minute just reverse the situation and put yourselves in the shoes of the people putting up the roadblocks, then you would see how ridiculous the objective of Pristina's government extending to the North.

Stop with the ignorant and naive posts because it only makes you look likes fools.

Try and write things with substance and proper reasoning, otherwise nobody is listening.
(trizo, 17 October 2011 13:26)
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Hey trizo, following your logic, what should Albanian's do with the Serb's living outside the North?
Moreover, since Albanians lack reasoning (as you put it ) what should Belgrade do with the Serb's living outside North who cannot build barricades? Or for that matter, do you think the Serb’s who blockades the roads are “superior” to their compatriot’s elsewhere in Kosovo?
If you think in 2011 the Serb’s in their northern enclaves will feel secure, happier and wealthy by surrounding themselves with roadblocks created with chairs and other old furniture, then is you who lacks logic.. Have you ever noticed that humans do a lot of things without a rational reason?
This is what this looks to me! It has nothing to do with Albanians. But then again, you can choose to ignore me if it makes you happy, as long as you are ruled by Belgrade and not your head.

ICJ

pre 12 godina

@ absolutely pathetic

I assume that you are not from the region, otherwise you would not make such a stupidly ill-informed comment about Serbs and human shields, while forgetting that Albanians are just as capable of doing the same. Perhaps you might like to look up Adem Jashari, a Kosovo Albanian hero who sacrificed his family for his political gain.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

What a brilliant tactic, send the woman and children to defend the barriers. Set up cameras everywhere and lets see those NATO cowards attempt to harass them. After all, they are peaceful protestors and if they were men then NATO would be shooting at them. They can't call those women and children criminals now can they?

Based on the reaction from Albanians and the LDP, this is a very effective tactic. The only cowards we have are those Albanians hiding behind NATO and those NATO troops harassing women and children.

My friends, the revolution has started. The cowards will choke on their greed, in Serbia and around the Western world. They know their time is limited while the resistance is strong. No stone will be left unturned until victory is ours. You Albanians will regret dumping negotiations in the bin.

Occupy Kosovo

pre 12 godina

People Power in action. Stand up to KFOR aggression. Albanians fought against tyrrany and won. The same should be applied for Serbs too.

sj

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Serbs are not like Albanians and don’t treat their children as expendable items.
Why Thaci even worked with the CIA and murdered 40 Albanians to blame the Serbs so that the Us could start a war with Serbia – Albanians are a truly pathetic people little wonder that every European has little time for them.
Who ever is advising the Serbs is doing a very good job.

PEN

pre 12 godina

@Kosovo-USA.

'That would mean kidnapping and slavery of children.' You obviously don't see the irony of your silly comment. Half the brothels of Europe have eastern European women kidnapped or coerced by Albanian human traffickers and pimps. Many are barely adults. But who cares as long cash exchanges hands right.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

LOL so let me get this straight: when rumors of Serb children going to the barricades are floated, Albanians cry against what they see as a forced cowardly act. When Albanian "kids" throw stones at Serb buses, desecrate graves and churches, and harass old Serbs, it's approved because of revenge from 1999. Albanian logic and attempts at sounding defiant never cease to amaze me. If this was Albanians protesting against Milosevic, they'd have absolutely no problem throwing one of their expendable kids into a hail of bullets so they can cry to CNN later :)

Arn.Sweden.

pre 12 godina

The Albanians dont want Peace but land grab.

If the Albanians where Just,
they would have set upp the Border within Kosovo between the two comunities,
and left the Serbs alone in Peace.

But they wont and the international Comunity not either,
they are bouth Hypocrits and Hypocritical.

This will only be solved by Force.

Arn.Sweden.

Reader

pre 12 godina

"Zubin Potok Mayor Slaviša Ristić addressed several thousand people gathered today"
What is important now is to have the international media there tomorrow. Call all international media outlets and bring them to the site to witness genocide in action. If KFOR moves on the Serbs and provokes something, then let the world see.
(Daniel, 17 October 2011 12:34)


Absolutely agree, so we can finally see for ourselves these thousands of people the article is talking about. Really, is it so hard to take a picture of thousands of people and put it together with the article? All we seen so far is some people sitting on woods or one or two KFOR trucks. What we read however is on another level.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Oh yeah, before Albanians unilaterally declare themselves the defender of children's right... :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/13/world/for-albanians-it-s-come-to-this-a-son-for-a-tv.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

@(balkanernie, 17 October 2011 14:02)

... thumb downards, Ernie, point missed. As you can easily figure I did not comment the article, but the comment of the "FREEDOM" fighter (another wannabe heroe?), who claimed that Serbs usually hide behind human shields.
As a German I have got my teeth in dark chapters of our history - and as a political scientist and as a longtime officer with a multinational organisation in the Balkans in the recent developments as well. Against this background I can tell you straight away: Your statement has no basis in facts at all. And that´s that.
However, you and me know very well that "others" have used it excessively. The ex (?)-commanders of an "organisation" like that you can find on the "government" benches in Pristina - the last stronghold of Balkan warlords as I stated already elsewhere.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

(balkanernie, 17 October 2011 17:43)

Wrong, Ernie, once again wrong my dear friend. I have clearly indicated that I am assuming you know as much as I do. I do not blame you for a lack of knowledge. What you are doing is worse, I fear. I am afraid you are twisting the truth intentionally. Free yourself of the UCK ideology, break with the warlords, do not join the club of hatemongers.

Englebert

pre 12 godina

Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.

Cowardly act!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

You can tell that your argument is entirely an emotional rather than logical one. Serbs ay be accused of many things but hiding behind women and children is not one of them. Kosovo Albanians on the other hand are notorious for it back in the late 1990s...

I seem to recall one Kosovo Albanian terrorist named Adem Jashari who cowardly hid behind his wife and kids rather than surrender to Serbian forces for a slew of crimes. After 3 days of patient waiting by the Serbs resulted in a bloodbath because almost all his "beloved" family perished because Jashari used his family as a shield. Coward.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time."
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Probably as many people as there have been in Kosovo government who where happy about the killed RoSU policeman who later was called a 'martyr' - he died for Thaci's irresponsible plans to stir up the north.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Typically Serbian style: hide behind the women & children so you can use them as a shield.

Cowardly act!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 October 2011 12:20)

Thinking back it was the Albanians and Bosnian Muslims (and to a lesser degree the Croats) who had widespread use of child soldiers throughout the 90s, not the Serbs.

trizo

pre 12 godina

Well, what we ALL know from history (whether Albanian or Serbian) is that the Albanians never really did anything themselves. They always in the past & present joined the side of anyone opposed to Serbia (e.g. Germany/Austria/US/UK/Turkey).

It is so blatantly obvious that the Serbs are happy to live under the government in Belgrade and it should be left that way.

The K.Albanian government in Pristina needs to concentrate on the rest of Kosovo instead of being greedy and wanting it ALL.

The barricades have been set up and clearly show that they are ordinary people who do not wish to be ruled or governed by the Albanians and are quite happy the way things have always been for them i.e. under Serbian government.

All you Albanians on this website have nothing substantial to say about these roadblocks and the real issue at hand.

You all say the same thing that "Serbs are acting like this..", "Serbs are causing problems for KFOR", "Serbs are stupid for blocking roads" etc etc.. but really you have no argument? No reasoning or rationale for what you are saying.

Your objectives are to govern all municipalities in Northern Kosovo under the UDI Kosovo(a). However you just look like you are power hungry trying to govern people that don't want to be governed by you.

It makes no real sense that you want the North when there are no Albanians living there and when the population in the North are happy with Belgrade like they have always been.

If you Albanians can for one minute just reverse the situation and put yourselves in the shoes of the people putting up the roadblocks, then you would see how ridiculous the objective of Pristina's government extending to the North.

Stop with the ignorant and naive posts because it only makes you look likes fools.

Try and write things with substance and proper reasoning, otherwise nobody is listening.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"Reports said there were women and children at the barricades, while schools are today closed in the area."

Yes, these are all criminals defending their homes and way of life. Funny that KFOR doesn't realize that northern Kosovo is a lost cause. It will not integrate with the criminals in Pristina.

albsmart

pre 12 godina

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.


The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?
(trizo, 17 October 2011 23:20)
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Well, yes, we are discussing about the Northern enclaves where Serb’s live. Therefore, these are people lives we discussing about not merely a geographical habitation.
Why is it that the Serb across the Ibar “ deserve” to be part of Serbia and those on the opposite not? I just don’t understand the logic of it. We are not talking here about lack of freedom and rights for the habitants in North ( by the way there are Albanian living there too), but about people there refusing the authorities based on the only fact that is not Belgrade but Prishtina!
Practically speaking, on the ground there is nothing to suggest that the Albanian’s have any desire to “extent their rule” or even less to rule the Serb’s in the area. Moreover, we seem to forget that the Kosovo Police has been in the area (police officer from the local Serbs) and this only happen because Kosovo Police from Prishtina wanting to be present on the cross border between Kosovo and Serbia.
I understand the anger that that followed and the miss understanding, disinformation of the people. However, look at the reality now! The Border is being supervised by Prishtina and local politicians guided their people to desperate measure by coming up with road blocks! Surely they must had know that this is not only pathetic, but it will only make their situation more desperate… This is 2011 not the French revolution 1789! What’s next?
Yes, I agree that in the areas where the Serb’s are the majority Kosovo government need to give greater power and respect their choices. They can only enforce their authority if the local Serb’s will wish so! I know that is hard for the government and hard to find an easy way, but then again they choose to govern Kosovo they need to take the responsibilities.
I just wonder how long will it take for the Serb’s politician to understand that they can achieve so much more by being part of Kosovo, rather than ignore it.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

KFOR did not attack Serb civilians. Get that straight. As for defending their way of life, what is their of life? Do you think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life?
(adriatik, 17 October 2011 11:36)

Yes, I think KFOR is removing the barricades to stop the Serbs living their way of life.

God

pre 12 godina

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)

Stop using my name to cover your insecurities and get back to flipping pizzas :)

trizo

pre 12 godina

Hey trizo, following your logic, what should Albanian's do with the Serb's living outside the North?
Moreover, since Albanians lack reasoning (as you put it ) what should Belgrade do with the Serb's living outside North who cannot build barricades? Or for that matter, do you think the Serb’s who blockades the roads are “superior” to their compatriot’s elsewhere in Kosovo?
If you think in 2011 the Serb’s in their northern enclaves will feel secure, happier and wealthy by surrounding themselves with roadblocks created with chairs and other old furniture, then is you who lacks logic.. Have you ever noticed that humans do a lot of things without a rational reason?
This is what this looks to me! It has nothing to do with Albanians. But then again, you can choose to ignore me if it makes you happy, as long as you are ruled by Belgrade and not your head.
(albsmart, 17 October 2011 20:55)

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albsmart,

I am always willing and open to listening to reasonable and logical arguments from opposing perspectives.

I think we both know that the Serbs living in the enclaves should have just as many rights as the Serbs in the North, only the difference is that south of the Ibar they are not geographically connected to Serbia like they are in the northern municipalities, in terms of transport/infrastructure; and these towns are predominantly made up of ethnic Serbs.

I certainly won't choose to "ignore" you & your views because at least you have brought some substance/reasoning to your debate (unlike many other Albanians who only post to offend).

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.


The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?

icj1

pre 12 godina

I think special status granted to Serbs south of the Ibar etc & the North should be left as a part of Serbia. This would stop the conflict in the North and the Serbs in the North would be happy to live life normally. The Albanians should realise that extending their rule to the North is just causing problems & a greed motivated objective.

The issue we are currently debating is the North, agreed?
(trizo, 17 October 2011 23:20)

Albanians can't extend their rule to the North because Kosovo's Constitution gives the N. Kosovo inhabitants the right to manage their own affairs and the Kosovo's Constitution can't change without K. Serbs consent.

In addition, N. Kosovo is still part of Kosovo since the majority of N. Kosovo inhabitants has not declared independence from Kosovo.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Ah the old human shield trick, no sacrifice is too great for the Serbian pride is it? I wonder how many here are hoping a child is injured so that they can parade this in the international forum one more time.
(Absolutely pathetic., 17 October 2011 11:07)

Actually Albanians are world champions in human shield tricks. How many their own children they sacrified for their case of Kosovo seccesion...

Paul

pre 12 godina

These are proud moments for the Serbian people. Their peaceful and resolute protests are an example to us all. Let us hope that NATO can see reason here, NATO could use some good press too and they don't deserve it. Not yet.

Pero

pre 12 godina

Wonder,Albo has begun to be concerned for Serbian children and women, they are much safer on the road than at home - easy target for
kidnappings or sale.

Tinka

pre 12 godina

Gentlemen, hold your horses!

Before getting excited about the alleged involvement of children in this, please wait until the facts are checked and confirmed. Do you remember what triggered the March 2004 riots? unsubstantiated roumors about the deliberate killing of some children, which were happily repeated all over and over without anyone bothering checking the facts. Take it as a lesson learned.

sj

pre 12 godina

Hasim Thaci and KFOR is very soft with Serbs in Mitrovica. I would do the same with Serbs in Mitrovica like Mladic did in Srebrenica with Muslims.

Day of revenge will come sooner or later.

Peace to all non Serbs

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)


There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)



This is the true Albanian when the mask is taken off. Little wonder the European prisons iarefilled with them and no one can stand them in Europe.

How can anyone deal with savages like these, but then when you have revenge killings as part of your culture is the any wonder you get responses like this?

But I hate to disappoint these two troglodytes, its status quo 12 years and still going strong. No change.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Who ever is advising the Serbs is doing a very good job.
(sj, 17 October 2011 13:22)

I don't think that the Serbs are an ignorant populace that needs advice about what's best for them. In any case, if there is anybody advising them, most likely must be some Kosovo Albanians, since the advice apparently is to erect barricades to cutt off the K. Serbs from Serbia.

icj1

pre 12 godina

But I hate to disappoint these two troglodytes, its status quo 12 years and still going strong. No change.
(sj, 17 October 2011 22:40)

Absolutely; and there is not going to be a change for a long time since resolution 1244 is still in force, as it's been in the last 12 years and everybody supports 1244 and KFOR, so why there should be a change to the status quo ?!

Arn.Sweden

pre 12 godina

What an hypocritical writing !.

I Quote -

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)

Comment - it is written -

"whith what judgements and Measuries you Judge and Measures to others,
should also be Judgen and Measuried to you again" !

If you Deem that the Albanians in Serbia,
has the right to freedom and independense from Serbia,
shall not the Serbians have the same Rights regarding the Albanians ?.

Typical Hypocrisy and Doubblestandard.

People with such wiews does not stand for the Truth,Rights,Rightousness,Freedom or Indipendence.

Arn.Sweden.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

God bless revenge in our hearts
(ZOhan, 17 October 2011 21:27)
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When you say things like that, you are thinking of the other guy.

sj

pre 12 godina

I don't think that the Serbs are an ignorant populace that needs advice about what's best for them. In any case, if there is anybody advising them, most likely must be some Kosovo Albanians, since the advice apparently is to erect barricades to cutt off the K. Serbs from Serbia.
(icj1, 18 October 2011 03:51)

No I don’t think it’s an Albanian advising the Serbs because they are not smart enough – good for criminals and drug peddlers but not strategy; that requires intellect.

Absolutely; and there is not going to be a change for a long time since resolution 1244 is still in force, as it's been in the last 12 years and everybody supports 1244 and KFOR, so why there should be a change to the status quo ?!
(icj1, 18 October 2011 03:59)

Im not sure if anyone has told you but status quo is not good for Albanians or their so called independent Kosovo. 1224 means that UN rules not the democratic loving Albanians.

Daleks for Miri

pre 12 godina

There are two ways to integrate 40 thusand serbs, who hold 20% of Kosova's territori,in Kosova.
Either they accept Ahtisari plan which gives them special status within Kosova and the second way is Oluja 2.
It looks serbs dont want the first,so the only one left is the second.
(Mirel from Albania, 17 October 2011 20:01)

Another albanian showing how 'european' they are. The same values as Turkey. You'd be better off as their backyard or you can climb into a metal box on wheels and shout 'exterminate, exterminate' like the daleks do on tv.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

In addition, N. Kosovo is still part of Kosovo since the majority of N. Kosovo inhabitants has not declared independence from Kosovo.
(icj1, 18 October 2011 04:02)

Who would allow them to declare independence from Kosovo? US/NATO said Kosovo division is out of question.

BTW where does Res 1244 say that Kosovo stamps could have independent state atributes and that Kosovo - central Serbia border should be guarded by ethnic Albanians?

icj1

pre 12 godina

Who would allow them to declare independence from Kosovo? US/NATO said Kosovo division is out of question.
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

Well, we still don’t know if they want to be independent from Kosovo or not. If so, they should declare independence and then we’ll see if they will be able to achieve it or not. They need to follow the example of their grand-fathers in the 19th century that did not wait for the Ottoman Empire to tell them that Serbs could declare independence; they had the courage to go ahead and declare it anyway and defend it when it was necessary.



BTW where does Res 1244 say that Kosovo stamps could have independent state atributes
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

Nowhere; 1244 does not deal with custom stamp. I think you are confusing a customs code with a UNSC resolution :). UNMIK, under the powers given by 1244, decided that stamps labeled “Kosovo Customs” are OK.



and that Kosovo - central Serbia border should be guarded by ethnic Albanians?
(aaayyy, 18 October 2011 19:55)

1244 was not written by a racist mind to say that this or that ethnicity can do this or can’t do that; on the same token 1244 does not forbid any ethnicity from guarding the border. 1244 was not written to establish the apartheid in Kosovo. Indeed, nobody is sending ethnic Albanians to guard the border; it’s Kosovo Customs employees (from all ethnicities) that guard the Kosovo borders. Just see them as people, not as Albanians, Serbs, Roma, etc;



No I don’t think it’s an Albanian advising the Serbs because they are not smart enough – good for criminals and drug peddlers but not strategy; that requires intellect.
(sj, 18 October 2011 12:35)

Exactly, the advisors are so stupid that are giving stupid advise to the Serbs by advising them to cut themselves off Serbia with barricades.



Im not sure if anyone has told you but status quo is not good for Albanians or their so called independent Kosovo. 1224 means that UN rules not the democratic loving Albanians.
(sj, 18 October 2011 12:35)

Albanians declared independence (with much joy) from Serbia in accordance with 1244. They are happy that Serbia is not in control (and everybody agrees about that, Serbia included). We can discuss whether UN rules or not, but that’s not the main point; so let’s assume that the UN rules. Albanians are happy that Serbia does not rule. If you want to convince them not to be happy, by all means you are free to start an unhappiness campaign in Kosovo.