Protesters rally worldwide against “corporate greed”

The revolution my friends. They are on our side.

The revolution my friends. They are on our side.
(Zoran, 15 October 2011 13:53)

Hardly, while there are those who are genuinely protesting for change, a lot are mainly a bunch of unemployed welfare-seekers who aren't interested in improving themselves and working hard for their own fortunes (like everyone else has to in a Western country), but instead decide to sit back and blame rich people, many whom worked up from a lower social standing themselves into positions of great wealth and authority, for their own problems.

Besides, if there's anyone they should be protesting against, it should be the Federal Reserve and Congress in Washington - THEY'RE the ones who create the political climate which allowed certain Wall Street corporations to act recklessly in the past decade; the bankers just made the most of it for their own gain (like there's something wrong with that!).

The revolution my friends. They are on our side.
(Zoran, 15 October 2011 13:53)

Do you know which side are you on?

LOL! Not just bankers. Listen carefully http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFz1VVXsWRU

Danilo I simply disagree that most of those protestors 'are a bunch of unemployed welfare seekers' and not 'frivolous' which is a different accusation, but also wrong. It is not frivolous to protest a hypocritical global system, its bloody important. And yes he is not saying there is nothing wrong, he is doing what the right does, he is blaming government, when as you well know, it is corporations that run things these days. Yes, government is also to blame, but if you follow US politics you will know that the right wing inspired view is to absolve corporations of responsiblity and only blame government.

I can't interpret what Zoran meant by 'our side' by I consider that those people are on my side. That is the side of ordinary people who are sick and tired of the hypocricy, greed and materialist global system. The values of as Stefan put it the bankers 'made the most of it for their own gain (like there's something wrong with that'.
Yes there is something wrong with that and only a fool (or a banker) could think otherwise.

The marchers have my support.

Stefan yes there is something wrong with the fact that bankers can be bailed out through public money, whilst people employed in other industries are allowed to go out of business.

If you think that governments control things you are completely out of touch, it is corporations that are in charge.

Still, its nice to know that you subscribe to Fox news version of events, I guess agreeing with Rush makes one an intellectual these days.

'it's also naive to think that any person or entity will behave in any way that doesn't maximize it's self interest'

Danilo and then you expect government to regulate corporations, if you believe this? Is it in the self interest of members of the government to be in the pocket of corporations, or to regulate them? If the only barometer to measure is one's self interest then we are all royally screwed. Perhaps material / financial self interest isn't the only factor people are ruled by?

Yes it was governments deregulation of banks that enabled this crisis to come out. But what about that thing called responsiblity? What about the responsiblity of the banks to make bad loans to all and sundry? They cannot just past the buck to the government, just as those that took out the loans can't escape responsiblity themselves. Those same people that have been propogandised by mulinational companies with sophisticated and simple advertising campaigns telling them to buy more and more, the credit lending companies telling how its fine to be in debt.

This is not a problem just with government and regulation. This is a problem with society and values. Now one can do tinkering with the system, provided the government makes changes, which it has not done so far in my opinion. However, the principles underlying the system are broken or discredited so its just a matter of time before it all blows up again. And unless we address this properly one day it will break completely and there will be something like anarchy.

@Zoran

seems they are against the bankers. Which side are you?

bganon,

I think you might be mis-reading Stefan's post. He's not saying all protesters are frivolous, just that most are. He's not saying that there's "nothing wrong".

Re-read his post and you'll see him stating exactly what's wrong.

His post is directed at Zoran's claim that "they are on our side". Most people can't point to Serbia on a map (nor should they be expected to), so his remark is pretty ridiculous.

". Most people can't point to Serbia on a map (nor should they be expected to), so his remark is pretty ridiculous.”


This only applies to Americans because in the last 60 years they have really become a very backward people.


“..lot are mainly a bunch of unemployed welfare-seekers who aren't interested in improving themselves …”

That is what the US media like to paint these people; communist, socialists trouble makers etc. That’s your corporations at work.

The marchers have my support too, bganon.

But, it's also naive to think that any person or entity will behave in any way that doesn't maximize it's self interest (however it happens to perceive it). It's silly to blame the big, mean corporations. It is the precise job of government to create the framework for people to be able to peruse their self-interest with a view to the big picture. It was the governments deregulating the banks that caused this crisis. In Canada, not a single bank failed, nor did we have the same kind of debt melt-down as happened in the US. why? Because we have better laws regulating the banks in Canada than the US. Had the right succeeded in Canada to do the same deregulation that they did in the US - arguing that the banks were hampered in Canada and not making as much profit as they could have - then the situation would have been much different in Canada.

People, companies will do what they think is best for them. It's up to government, not corporations to decide good public policy.

The revolution my friends. They are on our side.
(Zoran, 15 October 2011 13:53)

Hardly, while there are those who are genuinely protesting for change, a lot are mainly a bunch of unemployed welfare-seekers who aren't interested in improving themselves and working hard for their own fortunes (like everyone else has to in a Western country), but instead decide to sit back and blame rich people, many whom worked up from a lower social standing themselves into positions of great wealth and authority, for their own problems.

Besides, if there's anyone they should be protesting against, it should be the Federal Reserve and Congress in Washington - THEY'RE the ones who create the political climate which allowed certain Wall Street corporations to act recklessly in the past decade; the bankers just made the most of it for their own gain (like there's something wrong with that!).

The revolution my friends. They are on our side.

The revolution my friends. They are on our side.
(Zoran, 15 October 2011 13:53)

Do you know which side are you on?

bganon,

I think you might be mis-reading Stefan's post. He's not saying all protesters are frivolous, just that most are. He's not saying that there's "nothing wrong".

Re-read his post and you'll see him stating exactly what's wrong.

His post is directed at Zoran's claim that "they are on our side". Most people can't point to Serbia on a map (nor should they be expected to), so his remark is pretty ridiculous.

@Zoran

seems they are against the bankers. Which side are you?

Stefan yes there is something wrong with the fact that bankers can be bailed out through public money, whilst people employed in other industries are allowed to go out of business.

If you think that governments control things you are completely out of touch, it is corporations that are in charge.

Still, its nice to know that you subscribe to Fox news version of events, I guess agreeing with Rush makes one an intellectual these days.

LOL! Not just bankers. Listen carefully http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFz1VVXsWRU

Danilo I simply disagree that most of those protestors 'are a bunch of unemployed welfare seekers' and not 'frivolous' which is a different accusation, but also wrong. It is not frivolous to protest a hypocritical global system, its bloody important. And yes he is not saying there is nothing wrong, he is doing what the right does, he is blaming government, when as you well know, it is corporations that run things these days. Yes, government is also to blame, but if you follow US politics you will know that the right wing inspired view is to absolve corporations of responsiblity and only blame government.

I can't interpret what Zoran meant by 'our side' by I consider that those people are on my side. That is the side of ordinary people who are sick and tired of the hypocricy, greed and materialist global system. The values of as Stefan put it the bankers 'made the most of it for their own gain (like there's something wrong with that'.
Yes there is something wrong with that and only a fool (or a banker) could think otherwise.

The marchers have my support.

The marchers have my support too, bganon.

But, it's also naive to think that any person or entity will behave in any way that doesn't maximize it's self interest (however it happens to perceive it). It's silly to blame the big, mean corporations. It is the precise job of government to create the framework for people to be able to peruse their self-interest with a view to the big picture. It was the governments deregulating the banks that caused this crisis. In Canada, not a single bank failed, nor did we have the same kind of debt melt-down as happened in the US. why? Because we have better laws regulating the banks in Canada than the US. Had the right succeeded in Canada to do the same deregulation that they did in the US - arguing that the banks were hampered in Canada and not making as much profit as they could have - then the situation would have been much different in Canada.

People, companies will do what they think is best for them. It's up to government, not corporations to decide good public policy.

'it's also naive to think that any person or entity will behave in any way that doesn't maximize it's self interest'

Danilo and then you expect government to regulate corporations, if you believe this? Is it in the self interest of members of the government to be in the pocket of corporations, or to regulate them? If the only barometer to measure is one's self interest then we are all royally screwed. Perhaps material / financial self interest isn't the only factor people are ruled by?

Yes it was governments deregulation of banks that enabled this crisis to come out. But what about that thing called responsiblity? What about the responsiblity of the banks to make bad loans to all and sundry? They cannot just past the buck to the government, just as those that took out the loans can't escape responsiblity themselves. Those same people that have been propogandised by mulinational companies with sophisticated and simple advertising campaigns telling them to buy more and more, the credit lending companies telling how its fine to be in debt.

This is not a problem just with government and regulation. This is a problem with society and values. Now one can do tinkering with the system, provided the government makes changes, which it has not done so far in my opinion. However, the principles underlying the system are broken or discredited so its just a matter of time before it all blows up again. And unless we address this properly one day it will break completely and there will be something like anarchy.

". Most people can't point to Serbia on a map (nor should they be expected to), so his remark is pretty ridiculous.”


This only applies to Americans because in the last 60 years they have really become a very backward people.


“..lot are mainly a bunch of unemployed welfare-seekers who aren't interested in improving themselves …”

That is what the US media like to paint these people; communist, socialists trouble makers etc. That’s your corporations at work.