EC recommends making Serbia EU candidate

"If Serbia starts accession negotiations with the EU in 2013 Serbia will join the EU in 2020 or 2021.
(Mircea EU citizen, 12 October 2011 09:50) "

And that's IF and only IF the EU still exists in 2020 ....... I have my doubts.

Serbia will probably join the EU in 2020 or 2021.

Just look at Croatia. Croatia started accession negotiations with the EU in October 2005 and will join the EU on 1 July 2013.

If Serbia starts accession negotiations with the EU in 2013 Serbia will join the EU in 2020 or 2021.
(Mircea EU citizen, 12 October 2011 09:50

Mircea

You're still sphewing the same fairytales as you did as long as i can remember.Time and events have passed you by without altering your internal outlook of what has become of the EU that has taken ever greater liberties with Europe's taxpayers and legislators: regulating, subsidising and corrupting all it touched."

People would have supported a democratic EU that existed to defend the common man against the neoliberal corporatists, but the EU is a massive neoliberal project, whose purpose now is to buttress the power of the corporatist ruling elite and the basle bankers.

It may all be "just", but the forced impoverishment of Greeks,Irish Portuguese and Italians to honour the paper value of German and French debts must be as close to revolutionary incitement as modern policy can get.

The EU you so admire is on a life-support machine and unless it moves to closer economic union with Germany undertaking all EU debts and guaranteeing the transfer of its surpluses to weaker members of the union
the whole project will collapse.I don't think German voters will ever accept such an arrangement and this is why both Merkel and EU will become
history.

BTW Your last prediction on Serbia becoming an EU member was 2018.

Considering that elections will take place very soon and the EU wants a Tadic Government returned to power so they can sell out anyone and everyone, naturally there will be a “positive” outcome announced. The real question is what year will Serbia join the EU?
Tadic only two years ago said it was by 2014, but 3 months ago the proverbial cat got out of the bag and now it’s 2020 at the earliest. The reality is more like 2050.
If the Serbian people are that gullible to believe all the nonsense that is being told about joining the EU and the truck loads of money coming as soon as they join then they deserve everything they get.
Ask the simple question – if the EU is such a paradise why is Brussels FORCING both Slovenia and Croatia into a trading block with Serbia?????????????????

"Serbia receives EU candidate status"

Yummy carrot outside, nasty acid inside. E.U. in countries where the legacy people rule means just more trouble. See Romania. Wasn't in Bucharest - but the countryside does not look any better or living conditions of the people being any better than around Korça. Except that roads in that part of Albania are better and prices cheaper.

Not sure what Mircea is proud about. Go to Serbia - or even to it's infamous southern province - and if not the ethnic violence than it looks like Monaco in comparison.

If you take the road from Maramures towards Suceava make sure, you have a tank, otherwise your car could be hosed. It's the place where Mother of all Potholes meets with the Father of all Potholes.

You pass the villages - no electricity on the streets! Streets dark, people sitting at home. Looks like place with very sorry life. We crossed from Ukraine, Ukraine, too, is Monaco in comparison. And they laughing at Romanians.

If that is E.U. than why not Burkina Faso?

"Romanian Warrior, 12 October 2011 21:33 ??
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Never heard of romanian warriors.
Grow up.
(Rocky, 13 October 2011 00:55) "

REALLY???Eternal Glory to my country ROMANIA and all our ancestors, who defended EUROPE against barbarian hordes as well as against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle Ages.OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST bless ROMANIA , named by Pope JOHN PAUL the 2nd" SAINT VIRGIN garden", in the first visit of a bishop of Rome(in 1999) in a majority Orthodox country in the last 1000 years!Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe.About Romanian Warriors,we impaled more muslims in the Middle Age . In this way did in Middle Age Romanian Princes with the muslim turks, in Walachia, Moldavia and Transylvania.I suppose you've heard even about Vlad the Impaler -VLAD TEPES, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476)best known for his resistance against the Ottoman Empire and its expansion and for the impaling of enemies muslims, example:impaled Hamza Pasha, the Bey of Nicopolis brought with him 1,000 cavalry( who have inspired "educated" Western the association of his name to that of the vampire Count Dracula in Bram Stoker's 1897 novel Dracula).See you soon!

Strange Europe, every time you think they will punish some country, they give it all they want!

Maybe I'm just too young to understand what EU is trying to achieve with all that... almost every country in Balkan has the same, but also their unique problems, just think about it:

Albania: Political problems between position and opposition
Macedonia: Name problems with Greece
Serbia: Kosova
Kosova: Serbia
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Republic of Srpska

and all these problems are unsolvable, because somehow EU is not accepting them, but they really don't want to do something about all these problems, even if they "support" Balkan countries.

As I said in the begging, Strange Europe!

Sorry, wrong title. The Commission PROPOSES to give Serbia candidate status. This has still to be approved by all 27 member states by unanimity! Good luck!

Serbia will probably join the EU in 2020 or 2021.

Just look at Croatia. Croatia started accession negotiations with the EU in October 2005 and will join the EU on 1 July 2013.

If Serbia starts accession negotiations with the EU in 2013 Serbia will join the EU in 2020 or 2021.

The candidate status means nothing without the accession start date, just ask Turkey or Fyrom.

thank god! for nato, esp.ly in the balkans.

ciao. roberto frisco
(roberto, 13 October 2011 03:38)

Jawohl, Herr Obersturmbannführer - Sieg, Heil! Let's sing together, what a joy - THIS is the parade matching your style, not the other one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWd_jEMTfjo

Few more posts like this, you will be a good boy and promoted to SS-Standartenführer. Der Sieg wird unser sein!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vezr3dW4J5s

About Romanian Warriors,we impaled more muslims in the Middle Age .
(Romanian Warrior, 13 October 2011 10:34)

Matter of fact: Vlad 'Tepes' impaled largely Bulgarian villagers. He also was very keen to impale women, he liked that even better than impale men. He was known to dine in the mid of impaled, but still alive people. That time there was no Hague for war criminals - so in lieu of that he was luckily poisoned and went to a very special place in hell.

No idea why didn't you chose much better personalities like Ștefan cel Mare who was victorious in 46 out of 48 battles, pretty neat record. Or his son, Petru Rareº. Instead of jokes about Vlad Tepeº - visit the real Humor and see pictures of Ștefan cel Mare and Petru Rareº. Much better place than Bucharest.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Rares.jpg

http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/Monasteries_and_Churches/Romanian/Humor

“additional significant progress in further normalization of relations with Kosovo”.

Clear message, but I wonder if Serbs know what it means?

The Serbian government today are like a herd of sheep being led to where ever they are shown! Serbia minus Kossovo is like a person without a soul!

michael

Not really. Let's say you get Kosova, how is that going to change your life? You still need to find a job, pay taxes, take care of your children (assuming you're an adult with kids), pay your hospital bills, pay other bills. Kosova is nothing other than a piece of geography. Your life is not going to change over who runs it.

Serbia has been following last ten years how EU has implemented its “European values” and standards in their neighbourhood. I have some doubts if this is a wise strategy. In Balkans regions supervised by foreign “expertise” have worst record while regions without these outside high-flown ideas perform relatively better. Good examples for “worst practice” are Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo, where international community has implemented its huge missions over ten years. Both cases have had modest development of civil society but in reality the progress of some original multi-ethnic ideas is going backwards. Kosovo will probably be an international protectorate – a quasi-state captured by organized crime tribes - also next decade; Bosnia will totter between breakup, federation/confederation, state, protectorate depending inner politics and exterior influences.

From my point of view also Serbia should think if joining to EU is worth of time, money and bureaucracy it demands. Of course Serbia can develop its administration and legislation according EU standards but not because of fulfilling EU needs. The primus motor should be the needs of the beneficiaries aka Serbs not EU elite in Brussels. In my opinion there also will be some grey area between non- and full EU membership called e.g. “privileged partnership” which now is on planning stage to solve question about Turkey.

More about Serbia's EU road e.g. in Serbia's EU association is not a Must ( https://arirusila.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/serbias-eu-association-is-not-a-must/ )

Finally a skeptical description - by Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey/Pravda (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/26-05-2011/118016-mladic_arrest-0/) - how EU makes Serbia blessed:

And congratulations, Serbia. Now you can join the European Union. Wonderful! Stand back and watch your industry destroyed as what you export is assimilated by German industries, watch your agriculture decimated as you are paid not to produce and your production goes to France before you are left with barren fields, stand back and watch the EU label Slivovica illegal because some idiot in Brussels doesn't like it. Stand back and watch your unemployment rate skyrocket, watch a clique of elitists whisked off to cushy jobs in Brussels, watch your prices treble and your salaries stagnate and watch your customs destroyed as you become assimilated first by the EU and then by NATO. You will have to pay for it, you know. The people, not the leaders, of course... Nobody will ask you if you want to join NATO but you will be expected to buy its equipment and participate in its wars.

Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN. France, the main country who opposed the mention In the EU Lisbon Treaty Europe's Christian roots, but tolerates and accepts most muslims in Europe. However, all educated people know that what is happening in North Africa, Near and Middle East is not incidental.In this case, finally, France seem to awaken,being the country with the largest muslim minority in Europe.In the EU Lisbon Treaty were not mentioned Europe's Christian roots???!!!, in the name of "positive discrimination" and not to "disturb" packs of immigrants and especially of their "sensitivity" .It is time for us Europeans and especially political leaders of the 27 EU countries aware of the danger of muslim intolerance.And we know well this, because we have in Europe a little muslim majority state named Albania =who is as well as member NATO!!!!! and 2 two former Yugoslav provinces,Bosnia with one-third of the inhabitants muslim and Kosovo; muslims want to destroy all traces of Christians . Radical islam is the fact :intolerance, terror, revenge....especially against Christianity. That saw all in Egypt earlier this year, when 30 Coptic Christians were killed in Alexandria as well few days ago in Cairo. It is the failure of multiculturalism imposed , which tried to gypsies, muslims, africans etc. be integrated in European societies, especially in the West countries. And these are the fruits of these wrong policies. Uncontrolled immigration leads inevitably to ethnic conflict. Did you know in the name of "positive discrimination" and not to "disturb" packs of g.y.p.s.y and especially of their "sensitivity", that are offered them places in colleges and universities with NO CONTEST???? We ROMANIANS are discriminated, in no event minorities, including of course as well as the gypsies, nomadic population came to Europe from India during the Middle Ages.

Tadic has just booked a 3rd class ticket on the Titanic. Ship leaves soon....

all aboard.

Well it’s official. Serbia did all it could and EU still declined to accept its membership in the Union. Serbia can hold its head up high because it did all the right things without sacrificing its principles.

Now it is time to move on. EU does not want Serbia, but the country can still return as a regional economic and political giant. But instead of smoky room politicking it will just have to do it the old fashioned way, with hard work and determination.

Kosovo is a done deal. With the exception of some minor house cleaning issues to clear up, it will remain neither a state nor province in perpetuity. Further effort on that front will only divert valuable and limited resources away form the real work that needs to be done. The new administration in 2012 will have to focus on reestablishing Serbia’s educational prowess that seems to be eroding, stabilize politics with German-like precision and do away with crime in the way USA did back in the 1930s. It will continue to maintain preferred trading partner status with BRIC and EU countries and will gain acceptance with USA over time. It has ample natural resources and will soon have the energy and raw stock for chemical operations (via Southern Stream line) required to turn those into much desired and easily exportable finished goods.

There is no salvation other self reliance, and there is no substitute for hard work. Throughout their history Serbs have been forced into the former and have always been leaders in the latter. They have been distracted in the past few decades by foreign interests and empty promises. Now it’s time for Serbs to get back to their roots. Trust your abilities, focus on the vision ahead, fear no one but God himself and sing His praises loudly and often. It will be a most glorious ride back to the top.

Two middle age men sitting on their wrinkled lilly white arses in California post here telling the people of Serbia what they have to do.

Maybe the two of you oldies, Tom and Roberto, should connect and use your own money to sue the govt. here. People don't have jobs, can't feed their kids and you want to sue to get a gay pride parade. Grow up!

You both 'has-beens' need to get a life.

Very estimated Romanian Warrior,

This is absolutely the worst place to discuss your opinion with issues regarding Serbs, Russians, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Poles and such. Of course there are issues. Of course you can be wrong on many or correct on many.

FYI: this is a menagerie with every single inch of it defecated by a funny species called "Albanosaurus Trollus Maximus". That species has only little to do with humans living in Albania, but they claim otherwise.

Just watch your back - and remember that being defecated in many cultures is a sign, you get money or other kind of luck soon. Everyone from Russia to Greece here is already a millionaire, the crap is raining.

Eu=Dofina pyramid scam. The last ones in get to hold the big bag of s***!

@ataman, I saw now, you are albanian. ROMANIA is the seventh EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.But what are you in Europe?NOTHING!The small country faces, without identity, amalgam of ethnicity.Third World from EUROPE!!! you are a territory with a population and an area as 4(four) Romanian counties...and ROMANIA has 41 counties!!!See yourself for your misery and poverty, you are only one a Haiti of Europe. I do not understand for what reason your poor country was join in NATO. Romania has troops in Afghanistan as you have all your “army”. Perhaps the 130 Romanian gendarmes from KFOR in Kosovo must finish you all, when you destroy Christian Orthodox churches -UNESCO monuments , from Kosovo and Metohia.

Romanian Warrior, is it actually true that the Romanian forces were the weakest link at the battle of Stalingrad and that thanks to you the Germans lost that battle? I am only asking in order to get an idea about the fighting power of Romanian warriors.
(Tulips from Amsterdam, 13 October 2011 11:22)

thank Lord, yes. It wasn't their battle and it wasn't their cause. But at least Russians and Ukrainians or Jews did not suffer that much under Romanian occupation. The worst (by far surpassing SS troops) was the Hungarian army - compared with their strength they committed more crimes than the rest. Best were the Italian and Romanian troops - that war wasn't their war and they engaged in black trade with Russian partizans.

On one subject both Italians and Romanians were pretty pushy with partizans - they demanded volunteer girls ;-) But true, they kept the promise and delivered the ammo and rifles in exchange as agreed. Germans were no jokers but Hungarians often just went postal on the locals without apparent reason.

See their actions in Novi Sad even before the Great Patriotic War. It seems, that while many German officers were of old Prussian chivalry school, quite many Hungarian officers were just arrow-cross nuts. The soldiers behaved accordingly.

So, Croatia will be in the EU within a couple of years even though they haven't resolved the Krajina problem and the cleansing of half a million Serbs. They also openly celebrate their indicted war criminals. But Serbia on the other hand will probably have to wait 20 years to see any acceptance if at all. Does the EU not take into account that what they stand behind for Kosovo is not being applied to Serbs? Is it not clear enough that the EU is against Serbia? Why join a regime that will surely collapse anyways? For some 'strange' reason, France and Germany don't want Turkey to join because the majority is Muslim people however they have no problem backing a Muslim state called Kosovo. Is it really not clear enough that Serbia should look elsewhere?

There are EU countries that have not recognized Kosovo. How could the report talk about 'Kosovo' integrating the North? It's a stupid farce.

@vasilis"you have the green light from Greece.
Borders 'll open without a stop.
"Roads are open and dogs are tied" we say over here.
What minus we have from Bulgaria, Romania and rest newer countries."

REALLY??you lazy greeks live as well from euro spend from thousands of Romanian tourists in every summer;greeks smelling of sweat, who want to cash undeserved.Or do you reminds you Greece arethe gate of illegal Africans and Asians in EU as well as Athens will be soon a new Bombay or Islamabad???

What a joke. Romania and Bulgaria joined without reforming their judiciary, dealing with organized crime etc, and they still haven't, four years after joining the EU, which is already rotten. Why should Serbia join if the EU is incapable of applying common standards in reality? It's not rule of law, it is politics

Serbia is becoming a EU state, which means no soul, no integrity and no honor!
Congratulations!

“ further steps to normalize relations with Kosovo … This is the only priority we set … “

*** Such a statement is dumping Serbia’s negotiating positions but at least it unmasks the EU hypocrisy which lied all the time that Kosovo won’t be a condition. Now it is. Who could doubt it ? But sacrificing Tadic and G17 kind yuppies means that they see no force to stop the patriots to be elected at last.

“ Concerning Kosovo, Fule said it had achieved limited progress, with corruption and organized crimes … “

*** This much we know but it would be much better if they had achieved progress in limiting their genetic problems mentioned above.

Methods of pulling Serbia to the united Europe more and more remind those of Adolf Hitler – they organize civil war , they bomb , they invade , they tear Serbs apart , they inspirit national conflicts , they appoint their Gauleiter , they use Dr.Gebbels’ machine as a cover ... and they too forget that in the East there’s a power able to destroy their plans.

Regarding this debate about Romania, my experiences have been positive. The cities and beaches I visited were quite nice, good value for money and the accommodation was superb for the price. The biggest problems were the roads and lack of motorways but otherwise I would recommend a holiday in Romania to anyone.

when you destroy Christian Orthodox churches -UNESCO monuments , from Kosovo and Metohia.
(Romanian Warrior, 12 October 2011 21:33)

Hehe, I am one of the guys who is allowed to park inside of the Gracanica monastery.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4242/38938583.jpg

My pic from inside and from where I did stay at the konak. That time KEK did provide electricity only few hours a day and the monastery illumination was done by Swedish troops (now gone).

I have difficulty to turn into Albanian simply because it would happen after much of Skenderbeg konjak - and I would simply fall asleep before that. But I can try, still have one full bottle.

Congratulations to Serbia. I wished Albanian politics would be stable enough so Albania also can get candidate status.

If you are a Serbian Orthodox Christian then Giving Kossovo away is giving your soul away. It might be ok if you're an atheiest or communist, but not a Serb Orthodox Christian, can't be !

@ataman"You pass the villages - no electricity on the streets! Streets dark, people sitting at home. Looks like place with very sorry life. We crossed from Ukraine, Ukraine, too, is Monaco in comparison. And they laughing at Romanians."

This is indeed the worst joke I heard from a nostalgic soviet!!!ha,ha, ha, you were drunk when you crossed the border?Come in Bucharest( the 6th largest city in EUROPEAN UNION) ,
is full of foreign tourists-from Japan, US, Canada,Germany,Austria,Italy etc. not from exsoviet countries , as well as in Maramures, Bucovina , Transilvania etc.It was real funny, miserable ukraine-who lost also recently at Haga western Black Sea shelf in the favor of ROMANIA-a "new Monaco "compared with ROMANIA!!!iulia timosenko or victor ianukovici told you that???really funny, uneducated ataman.
About the entry of Serbia in EU, that accession would normally be judged on the same terms of the eventual accession of Croatia in 2013-who needs the vote in 27 EU Parliaments as well as he favorable outcome in referendums in ALL 27 EU COUNTRIES!!!

Serbia don`t sell your soul and join this european mess.
Switzerland will never join either.

“additional significant progress in further normalization of relations with Kosovo”.

Clear message, but I wonder if Serbs know what it means?
(Kosova-USA, 12 October 2011 14:43) "

Clear? I wonder if anyone knows what this statement really means, Serb or non-Serb ..... if there was indeed a message, it seems far from clear to me ..... if whatever that has been "achieved" so far in the Belgrade-Pristina talks already sufficed to the EU as "significant progress in normalization of relations with Kosovo", then the "additional" progress required doesn't seem such a tall order to me prima facie. Who knows, might an agreement to sell electricity to Kosovo might even be deemed to qualify as "additional significant progress" ?

I know you have your own wish list as to what you would like that statement to mean, but I think even within the EU itself there is no consensus as to what that statement should entail.

And I continue to think it is not in Serbia's interest to join the EU.

The title of the article is factually wrong and misleading, as Tinka rightfully noted.
So the Jermans got their way so far. The conditions can still be changed by the Council. Serbia, compromise, albanians, do nothing. As usual.

It is good that Serbia has progressed from the mess that it was in before.

If people vote for the politics of the past, it won't take long for Serbia to degenerate again back to where it was a few years ago.

As for the EU disappearing - dream on. The EU is economically huge and that will continue whatever happens economically, even a Euro collapse won't rewrite the laws the EU countries will continue to live by.

Better in the club than out.

miri

Didn't you read the article? It mentioned the limited progress made by Kosovo albanians. Shouldn't that be your main focus rather then a map of Serbia? No wonder Albania is getting no where.

Tadic has just booked a 3rd class ticket on the Titanic. Ship leaves soon....

all aboard.
(Niall O'Doherty, 12 October 2011 16:28)
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Now this is the best comment. Well said.

Here is my opinion -> http://i45.tinypic.com/2r77prn.jpg

Now a question for Mircea, EU champion. What does this conditional candidate status mean for Serbia? As far as I can tell, since it's conditioned on selling KiM, it means nothing really. Tadic will just have to continue selling out if he wants the real deal (i.e. board the Titanic with his 3rd class ticket).

"So, Croatia will be in the EU within a couple of years even though they haven't resolved the Krajina problem and the cleansing of half a million Serbs. They also openly celebrate their indicted war criminals. But Serbia on the other hand will probably have to wait 20 years to see any acceptance if at all. …"
(Mike, 12 October 2011 16:30)

Yet another statement that has no tangible base with reality. I am not sure if this is an indication of incompetence and/or simply twisting the truth, but you "Mike" should wake up and face the reality. Bluntly stating that Krajina problem still exists is plain wrong. The problem has been resolved many years ago. :-)

Saying that half a million Serbs have been ethnically cleansed makes me laugh. Where do you come up with these numbers and silly statements?

And if course if you are so against the EU as this represents the evil that Serbs despise then hold a referendum now and force your government not to participate in accession negotioations.

Last but not least make leave Croatia out of this as we really couldn't care less if you join or not. Of course posting on these kind of forums is much easier (for true patriots like yourself) than actually doing something about it.

The things I learn today are remarkable. So actually their failure was an act of resistance? And I always thought they were just a just a bunch of incompetent "soldiers".
(Tulips from Amsterdam, 13 October 2011 13:38)

A soldier sabotaging nazis is a good soldier for me, for whatever reason he does.

Some did not sabotage, see the SS Hunyadi, SS Skanderbeg and SS Handschar. At least Romanian participation in SS was minimal, even that they had Iron Guard.

Albania is doing good economically.Only this year its GDP rose 5%.

Only this year was visited by 3 million turists.


The problem is that former communists now called socialists never have accepted the loss of the elections and I am affraid they will behave the same in 2013.Berisha managed to put Albania in NATO and in white Schengen but he needs 3/5 of votes in parlaiment in order to pass some inportant laws,that would allow Albania to get the candidate status, since 27 members have ratified the SAA.Socialists refuse to vote the laws so thats why Albania didnt get the status.
This year Berisha's coalition got more than 55% of popular vote in local elections, and it looks they will win in 2013.The problem however is the opposition and its chairman Rama grandson of a polybyro member of Hoxha's party.

Amer- will you discuss internal Albanian politics on another site. The new mayor of Tirana is of little interest to this board IMHO.

The title of the article and the image of the map for Serbia, contradict each other.

Give us a break with this primitive propaganda.

Oh yes Bucharest the beautiful the dream destination of all tourists:http://www.tourism-review.com/bucharest-is-reportedly-the-ugliest-eu-capital--news2833

@Ataman, The media loves to cover the atrocities committed by the Germans during the war, but rarely do you hear about the millions who died by the hands of the Soviets! In fact, the Russians killed many more people than Germany ever did. I guess if you win the war, you get to write the history! Sad that even today, reporting the facts still isn't done on an even playing field.All educated people know that ukraine is an artificial state, leaven by stalin with lands stolen from Romania, Poland and former Czechoslovakia.That "chunk of Ukraine" is today's Moldavia and was always a Romanian territory. Most people who lived there are Romanians and they speak Romanian. Moldavia was taken by force by Russia during WWII. This is why the Romanian Marshall Antonescu declared war to Russia - to recover a Romanian territory. Read real history first, and then post. You learned history at the sovietic school, Ataman.But at least I can talk with you, compared with the drug tulips from amsterdam.Nazi, Germany etc,etc,etc.BUT WHEN about stalin and soviet crimes????What vulgar manipulation…but why hide to the public War crimes perpetrated by the armed forces of Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union from 1919 till 1991, who include acts committed by the regular army—the Red Army (later called the Soviet Army)—as well as the NKVD, including the NKVD's Internal Troops. “Many of these incidents occurred in Northern and Eastern Europe before and during World War II, and involved summary executions and mass murder of prisoners of war (such as Katyn massacre in POLAND , 1940 as well as FANTANA ALBA in ROMANIA, 1st of April 1941) and mistreatment of civilians in Soviet occupied territories. Although there are numerous documented cases of such incidents. In September 1939, the Red Army invaded eastern Poland and occupied it in accordance with the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Later, the Soviets forcefully occupied the Baltic States and parts of Romania, including Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, as well.
Soviet policy in all of these areas was harsh towards the people under its control, showing strong elements of ethnic cleansing. NKVD task forces followed the Red Army to remove "Soviet-hostile elements" from the conquered territories.”
During 1940-1941, between 12,000 and 13,000 Bukovinians (mostly, but not only ethnic Romanians) were deported to Siberia and the Gulag. Together with emigration and killings, during the same period, out of 250,000 Romanians in Chernivtsi Oblast, only 192,000 were left. It has been claimed that these persecutions were part of a program of deliberate extermination, planned and executed by the Soviet regime."
Nothing to comment more.

@Romanian:

What you write about the army is not baseless, one thing needs to be added. The atrocities never were planed to a mass degree like the bombing of Dresden by Amerian/British or Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
Stalin was a criminal and he commanded the army obviously a criminal way. The communist party was a criminal organization from the very beginning. What you expect if the leadership are gangsters.


Regarding Ukraine: Romanians and Slavs did mix a lot and the official language of medieval Romania as in church and chronicles was the church-slavonic. You can see it with your eyes in every single monastery. The medieval Rus with Halmgard (Novgorod) and Kiev does pre-date anything what Romanians have in their written history. Sorry, this is not easy to dispute. Show me a single building associated with Romanians older than St. Sophia in Kiev. And the oldest buildings I know in Romania like the cathedral in Alba Iulia are NOT associated with Romanians.

Not only that - but the Romanian word "Ardeal" describing Transylvania has no meaning in Romanian. Pretty much like every geographic name in that area and pretty much like Albanian geographic names in Kosovo.

For instance, the word "forest" is "erdö". Look up the Carpathians - you see as much forest as you want. That's why the place is "Erdély", Serbs call it "Erdelj".

The best is not to discuss Ukraina or Russia, otherwise I start to discuss "Ardeal" and that will be a bad business. Or that the original name of Iasi was "Jászvásár" ("Ossetian Market") - and that is even in Moldova.

For some 'strange' reason, France and Germany don't want Turkey to join because the majority is Muslim people however they have no problem backing a Muslim state called Kosovo. ...

(Mike, 12 October 2011 16:30)

The difference between Turkey and Kosovo is about 73 million people. Turkey has nearly the population of Germany, adding it would change the idea of what Europe is. (And it's up to Europe whether they want to change that much.) Adding Kosovo will be like adding one more good-sized city, nothing essential will change, and besides, the Kosovars were Europeans before the populations of many of the current member states arrived on the scene.

Mirel, on Albania - the report pointed out that the government was doing good work, and practically said that it's all Rama's fault. Maybe that will help - in the past, they just said, as far as I can remember, that both sides have to learn to cooperate. The new mayor in Tirana sounds much calmer and focused on the city's problems rather than overthrowing the national government than Rama used to. Maybe that will help to cool things down for the whole country, and allow next year's report card to be better.

Candidate status...okay..so when is Gay Pride in central urban Belgrade? When will your judiciary actually jail violent skinhead thugs for committing terrorism in Belgrade? When will your police forces be reformed so that it actually enforces the laws and protects minorities? When will your police forces have openly Gay men on the force?

Is that... Kosovo included in the picture of serbian map? DUDE is this map made of serbia because i couldn't find no where in the western public library's.... holly crab wake up people from the bad dream's not very good for your health..and you want to joint the civilized EU ...hmmmm ...balkan sorry i dont... dont think so for a another 100 years..

You have the green light from Greece.
Borders 'll open without a stop.
"Roads are open and dogs are tied" we say over here.
What minus we have from Bulgaria, Romania and rest newer countries.

Idemo Aderfia

Zoran,

After obtaining the EU candidate status the next step for Serbia is to start the accession negotiations.

Serbia will probably start accession negotiations with the EU in 2013. In this case, Serbia might join the EU in 2020 or 2021.

Romanian Warrior, 12 October 2011 21:33 ??
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Never heard of romanian warriors.
Grow up.

Regarding this debate about Romania, my experiences have been positive. The cities and beaches I visited were quite nice, good value for money and the accommodation was superb for the price. The biggest problems were the roads and lack of motorways but otherwise I would recommend a holiday in Romania to anyone.
(Zoran, 13 October 2011 00:28)

I had extremely positive experience with people in Romania, unfortunately the conditions they live in are much worse than what they deserve and I second the very bad roads. I also think, Romanians are horribly bad organizers.

A major challenge for a tourist in Romania like in Albania is the language.

Thanks to GOD that Srbia never ever will be a member of EU.
Srbia will rise in the Power of GOD and stand alone in Victory thus -

Yugoslavia - read Srbia -

http://www.ourchurch.com/member/e/e/index.php?p=1_10_Yugoslavia

Arn.Sweden.

I wonder if Serbia could join BRICS instead of EU if EU clearly doesn't want to accept Serbia?

oh dear...is there anything mor sad than people acting tough on the internet? i've seen Romanian Warrrior's other posts, very macho, albanians this that. its easy to pretend to be hard when you're sitting on your computer

At least I have learned something here: I have always underestimated Romania. Thanks Mr. self-declared Romanian Warrior. Ok, you won't get the Schengen liberalization because Europe isn't too keen on a further increase of the crime rate in the Schengen area but at least you have the power to stop the tulip import to your country!

Romanian Warrior, is it actually true that the Romanian forces were the weakest link at the battle of Stalingrad and that thanks to you the Germans lost that battle? I am only asking in order to get an idea about the fighting power of Romanian warriors.

thank Lord, yes. It wasn't their battle and it wasn't their cause.
(Ataman, 13 October 2011 13:01)

The things I learn today are remarkable. So actually their failure was an act of resistance? And I always thought they were just a just a bunch of incompetent "soldiers".

After obtaining the EU candidate status the next step for Serbia is to start the accession negotiations.
(Mircea EU citizen, 12 October 2011 22:02)
--
Thanks for confirming. Just as I thought, candidate status without a start date for accession negotiations translates into another dud for Serbian voters. Yes, those DS supports love those plastic EU carrots. If they don't put on their glasses they actually look real.

Is that... Kosovo included in the picture of serbian map? DUDE is this map made of serbia because i couldn't find no where in the western public library's.... holly crab wake up people from the bad dream's not very good for your health..and you want to joint the civilized EU ...hmmmm ...balkan sorry i dont... dont think so for a another 100 years..
(justhetruth, 12 October 2011 23:17)

B92 must have put some effort to find that map, because for the EU, Kosovo is no longer part of Serbia in the maps.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/other-countries/serbia/index_en.htm

A soldier sabotaging nazis is a good soldier for me, for whatever reason he does.
(Ataman, 13 October 2011 14:54)

The reason was not heroic sabotage, just sheer incompetence. Has gotten them all killed by the way.
But who cares? If it wasn't for the chest beating of a Romanian we wouldn't discuss it here.

--Candidate status...okay..so when is Gay Pride in central urban Belgrade? When will your judiciary actually jail violent skinhead thugs for committing terrorism in Belgrade? When will your police forces be reformed so that it actually enforces the laws and protects minorities? When will your police forces have openly Gay men on the force?
(Tom in Lazybrook, 12 October 2011 19:46)--

Serbia has a long, long way to go to achieve "standards," that's for sure. on many levels it has been going backwards with its streak of ueber-nationalism -- that's their answer for everything. rather than deal with substance, rather than foster democracy, it is always
"let them eat nationalism." so in that way nothing has changed since the 90s, just the actors and (in)ability to wage war due to nato, thank god! for nato, esp.ly in the balkans.

on the one hand i understand the eu trying to use status to bribe/coerce the blgd regime to improve. but it is a naive, even cynical strategy. as democracic rights grow weaker and weaker, and support for radical separatists inside kosova (N) and bosnia ("RS"), the eu dangles carrots... just poorly thought out (if at all) and terribly ethically challenged.

the last time we heard from the lgbt organizer, they were burnt out, angry, sounded a bit hopeless. understandable. we have to take the blgd regime to court and force the issue, it is the only language they understands. it is easy to see from some distnce, but close up, it's exhausting, I understand. been there, done that.

as for the map -- oops! just give me a friggen break. i always tell people: "b-92" has yet to recognize Kosova, and still yaps about the "UDI." still political censorship, same ole same ole. so pathetic.

luckily, it doesn't matter. Kosova is forever free of Belgrade's control, and the people of Kosova have paid a high price for that indeed. so i guess these silly little games of propa and gander are relatively laughable and meaningless.

I am glad that some dissidents do manage to post, despite the obvious. never give in, never give up!

ciao. roberto frisco

Nothing to comment more.
(Romanian Warrior, 13 October 2011 13:39)

RE: Romanian Wiermacht

The only comment you should consider is that Romania, Croatia and Hungary as well as other Nazi allied countries sent troops to Leningrad and Stalingrad leading to thousands of innocent Russian citizen dying including not allowing food into those besiged cities. You have the audacity to speak about Romanian massacres after the Romanian military joined the German Wiermacht.

the picture in this news source cracks me up hahhahhaahahha face the reality for god sake not lies

Romanian Warrior

don't waste your time with arguments and facts; the deciding factor is something else; whether Romania recognizes Kosovo or not. When Romania recognizes Kosovo, the Romanian "supporters" here be saying about Romania the opposite of what they say today.

A soldier sabotaging nazis is a good soldier for me, for whatever reason he does.
(Ataman, 13 October 2011 14:54)

The reason was not heroic sabotage, just sheer incompetence. Has gotten them all killed by the way.
But who cares? If it wasn't for the chest beating of a Romanian we wouldn't discuss it here.

--Candidate status...okay..so when is Gay Pride in central urban Belgrade? When will your judiciary actually jail violent skinhead thugs for committing terrorism in Belgrade? When will your police forces be reformed so that it actually enforces the laws and protects minorities? When will your police forces have openly Gay men on the force?
(Tom in Lazybrook, 12 October 2011 19:46)--

Serbia has a long, long way to go to achieve "standards," that's for sure. on many levels it has been going backwards with its streak of ueber-nationalism -- that's their answer for everything. rather than deal with substance, rather than foster democracy, it is always
"let them eat nationalism." so in that way nothing has changed since the 90s, just the actors and (in)ability to wage war due to nato, thank god! for nato, esp.ly in the balkans.

on the one hand i understand the eu trying to use status to bribe/coerce the blgd regime to improve. but it is a naive, even cynical strategy. as democracic rights grow weaker and weaker, and support for radical separatists inside kosova (N) and bosnia ("RS"), the eu dangles carrots... just poorly thought out (if at all) and terribly ethically challenged.

the last time we heard from the lgbt organizer, they were burnt out, angry, sounded a bit hopeless. understandable. we have to take the blgd regime to court and force the issue, it is the only language they understands. it is easy to see from some distnce, but close up, it's exhausting, I understand. been there, done that.

as for the map -- oops! just give me a friggen break. i always tell people: "b-92" has yet to recognize Kosova, and still yaps about the "UDI." still political censorship, same ole same ole. so pathetic.

luckily, it doesn't matter. Kosova is forever free of Belgrade's control, and the people of Kosova have paid a high price for that indeed. so i guess these silly little games of propa and gander are relatively laughable and meaningless.

I am glad that some dissidents do manage to post, despite the obvious. never give in, never give up!

ciao. roberto frisco

oh dear...is there anything mor sad than people acting tough on the internet? i've seen Romanian Warrrior's other posts, very macho, albanians this that. its easy to pretend to be hard when you're sitting on your computer

Serbia will probably join the EU in 2020 or 2021.

Just look at Croatia. Croatia started accession negotiations with the EU in October 2005 and will join the EU on 1 July 2013.

If Serbia starts accession negotiations with the EU in 2013 Serbia will join the EU in 2020 or 2021.

"Serbia receives EU candidate status"

Yummy carrot outside, nasty acid inside. E.U. in countries where the legacy people rule means just more trouble. See Romania. Wasn't in Bucharest - but the countryside does not look any better or living conditions of the people being any better than around Korça. Except that roads in that part of Albania are better and prices cheaper.

Not sure what Mircea is proud about. Go to Serbia - or even to it's infamous southern province - and if not the ethnic violence than it looks like Monaco in comparison.

If you take the road from Maramures towards Suceava make sure, you have a tank, otherwise your car could be hosed. It's the place where Mother of all Potholes meets with the Father of all Potholes.

You pass the villages - no electricity on the streets! Streets dark, people sitting at home. Looks like place with very sorry life. We crossed from Ukraine, Ukraine, too, is Monaco in comparison. And they laughing at Romanians.

If that is E.U. than why not Burkina Faso?

Candidate status...okay..so when is Gay Pride in central urban Belgrade? When will your judiciary actually jail violent skinhead thugs for committing terrorism in Belgrade? When will your police forces be reformed so that it actually enforces the laws and protects minorities? When will your police forces have openly Gay men on the force?

Serbia will probably join the EU in 2020 or 2021.

Just look at Croatia. Croatia started accession negotiations with the EU in October 2005 and will join the EU on 1 July 2013.

If Serbia starts accession negotiations with the EU in 2013 Serbia will join the EU in 2020 or 2021.
(Mircea EU citizen, 12 October 2011 09:50

Mircea

You're still sphewing the same fairytales as you did as long as i can remember.Time and events have passed you by without altering your internal outlook of what has become of the EU that has taken ever greater liberties with Europe's taxpayers and legislators: regulating, subsidising and corrupting all it touched."

People would have supported a democratic EU that existed to defend the common man against the neoliberal corporatists, but the EU is a massive neoliberal project, whose purpose now is to buttress the power of the corporatist ruling elite and the basle bankers.

It may all be "just", but the forced impoverishment of Greeks,Irish Portuguese and Italians to honour the paper value of German and French debts must be as close to revolutionary incitement as modern policy can get.

The EU you so admire is on a life-support machine and unless it moves to closer economic union with Germany undertaking all EU debts and guaranteeing the transfer of its surpluses to weaker members of the union
the whole project will collapse.I don't think German voters will ever accept such an arrangement and this is why both Merkel and EU will become
history.

BTW Your last prediction on Serbia becoming an EU member was 2018.

“additional significant progress in further normalization of relations with Kosovo”.

Clear message, but I wonder if Serbs know what it means?

Romanian Warrior, 12 October 2011 21:33 ??
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Never heard of romanian warriors.
Grow up.

"If Serbia starts accession negotiations with the EU in 2013 Serbia will join the EU in 2020 or 2021.
(Mircea EU citizen, 12 October 2011 09:50) "

And that's IF and only IF the EU still exists in 2020 ....... I have my doubts.

So, Croatia will be in the EU within a couple of years even though they haven't resolved the Krajina problem and the cleansing of half a million Serbs. They also openly celebrate their indicted war criminals. But Serbia on the other hand will probably have to wait 20 years to see any acceptance if at all. Does the EU not take into account that what they stand behind for Kosovo is not being applied to Serbs? Is it not clear enough that the EU is against Serbia? Why join a regime that will surely collapse anyways? For some 'strange' reason, France and Germany don't want Turkey to join because the majority is Muslim people however they have no problem backing a Muslim state called Kosovo. Is it really not clear enough that Serbia should look elsewhere?

@ataman, I saw now, you are albanian. ROMANIA is the seventh EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.But what are you in Europe?NOTHING!The small country faces, without identity, amalgam of ethnicity.Third World from EUROPE!!! you are a territory with a population and an area as 4(four) Romanian counties...and ROMANIA has 41 counties!!!See yourself for your misery and poverty, you are only one a Haiti of Europe. I do not understand for what reason your poor country was join in NATO. Romania has troops in Afghanistan as you have all your “army”. Perhaps the 130 Romanian gendarmes from KFOR in Kosovo must finish you all, when you destroy Christian Orthodox churches -UNESCO monuments , from Kosovo and Metohia.

Romanian Warrior, is it actually true that the Romanian forces were the weakest link at the battle of Stalingrad and that thanks to you the Germans lost that battle? I am only asking in order to get an idea about the fighting power of Romanian warriors.

Considering that elections will take place very soon and the EU wants a Tadic Government returned to power so they can sell out anyone and everyone, naturally there will be a “positive” outcome announced. The real question is what year will Serbia join the EU?
Tadic only two years ago said it was by 2014, but 3 months ago the proverbial cat got out of the bag and now it’s 2020 at the earliest. The reality is more like 2050.
If the Serbian people are that gullible to believe all the nonsense that is being told about joining the EU and the truck loads of money coming as soon as they join then they deserve everything they get.
Ask the simple question – if the EU is such a paradise why is Brussels FORCING both Slovenia and Croatia into a trading block with Serbia?????????????????

Is that... Kosovo included in the picture of serbian map? DUDE is this map made of serbia because i couldn't find no where in the western public library's.... holly crab wake up people from the bad dream's not very good for your health..and you want to joint the civilized EU ...hmmmm ...balkan sorry i dont... dont think so for a another 100 years..
(justhetruth, 12 October 2011 23:17)

B92 must have put some effort to find that map, because for the EU, Kosovo is no longer part of Serbia in the maps.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/other-countries/serbia/index_en.htm

At least I have learned something here: I have always underestimated Romania. Thanks Mr. self-declared Romanian Warrior. Ok, you won't get the Schengen liberalization because Europe isn't too keen on a further increase of the crime rate in the Schengen area but at least you have the power to stop the tulip import to your country!

Albania is doing good economically.Only this year its GDP rose 5%.

Only this year was visited by 3 million turists.


The problem is that former communists now called socialists never have accepted the loss of the elections and I am affraid they will behave the same in 2013.Berisha managed to put Albania in NATO and in white Schengen but he needs 3/5 of votes in parlaiment in order to pass some inportant laws,that would allow Albania to get the candidate status, since 27 members have ratified the SAA.Socialists refuse to vote the laws so thats why Albania didnt get the status.
This year Berisha's coalition got more than 55% of popular vote in local elections, and it looks they will win in 2013.The problem however is the opposition and its chairman Rama grandson of a polybyro member of Hoxha's party.

thank Lord, yes. It wasn't their battle and it wasn't their cause.
(Ataman, 13 October 2011 13:01)

The things I learn today are remarkable. So actually their failure was an act of resistance? And I always thought they were just a just a bunch of incompetent "soldiers".

It is good that Serbia has progressed from the mess that it was in before.

If people vote for the politics of the past, it won't take long for Serbia to degenerate again back to where it was a few years ago.

As for the EU disappearing - dream on. The EU is economically huge and that will continue whatever happens economically, even a Euro collapse won't rewrite the laws the EU countries will continue to live by.

Better in the club than out.

Oh yes Bucharest the beautiful the dream destination of all tourists:http://www.tourism-review.com/bucharest-is-reportedly-the-ugliest-eu-capital--news2833

Eu=Dofina pyramid scam. The last ones in get to hold the big bag of s***!

Congratulations to Serbia. I wished Albanian politics would be stable enough so Albania also can get candidate status.

What a joke. Romania and Bulgaria joined without reforming their judiciary, dealing with organized crime etc, and they still haven't, four years after joining the EU, which is already rotten. Why should Serbia join if the EU is incapable of applying common standards in reality? It's not rule of law, it is politics

@vasilis"you have the green light from Greece.
Borders 'll open without a stop.
"Roads are open and dogs are tied" we say over here.
What minus we have from Bulgaria, Romania and rest newer countries."

REALLY??you lazy greeks live as well from euro spend from thousands of Romanian tourists in every summer;greeks smelling of sweat, who want to cash undeserved.Or do you reminds you Greece arethe gate of illegal Africans and Asians in EU as well as Athens will be soon a new Bombay or Islamabad???

miri

Didn't you read the article? It mentioned the limited progress made by Kosovo albanians. Shouldn't that be your main focus rather then a map of Serbia? No wonder Albania is getting no where.

Strange Europe, every time you think they will punish some country, they give it all they want!

Maybe I'm just too young to understand what EU is trying to achieve with all that... almost every country in Balkan has the same, but also their unique problems, just think about it:

Albania: Political problems between position and opposition
Macedonia: Name problems with Greece
Serbia: Kosova
Kosova: Serbia
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Republic of Srpska

and all these problems are unsolvable, because somehow EU is not accepting them, but they really don't want to do something about all these problems, even if they "support" Balkan countries.

As I said in the begging, Strange Europe!

The Serbian government today are like a herd of sheep being led to where ever they are shown! Serbia minus Kossovo is like a person without a soul!

Tadic has just booked a 3rd class ticket on the Titanic. Ship leaves soon....

all aboard.

Thanks to GOD that Srbia never ever will be a member of EU.
Srbia will rise in the Power of GOD and stand alone in Victory thus -

Yugoslavia - read Srbia -

http://www.ourchurch.com/member/e/e/index.php?p=1_10_Yugoslavia

Arn.Sweden.

The title of the article is factually wrong and misleading, as Tinka rightfully noted.
So the Jermans got their way so far. The conditions can still be changed by the Council. Serbia, compromise, albanians, do nothing. As usual.

The title of the article and the image of the map for Serbia, contradict each other.

Give us a break with this primitive propaganda.

michael

Not really. Let's say you get Kosova, how is that going to change your life? You still need to find a job, pay taxes, take care of your children (assuming you're an adult with kids), pay your hospital bills, pay other bills. Kosova is nothing other than a piece of geography. Your life is not going to change over who runs it.

“ further steps to normalize relations with Kosovo … This is the only priority we set … “

*** Such a statement is dumping Serbia’s negotiating positions but at least it unmasks the EU hypocrisy which lied all the time that Kosovo won’t be a condition. Now it is. Who could doubt it ? But sacrificing Tadic and G17 kind yuppies means that they see no force to stop the patriots to be elected at last.

“ Concerning Kosovo, Fule said it had achieved limited progress, with corruption and organized crimes … “

*** This much we know but it would be much better if they had achieved progress in limiting their genetic problems mentioned above.

Methods of pulling Serbia to the united Europe more and more remind those of Adolf Hitler – they organize civil war , they bomb , they invade , they tear Serbs apart , they inspirit national conflicts , they appoint their Gauleiter , they use Dr.Gebbels’ machine as a cover ... and they too forget that in the East there’s a power able to destroy their plans.

Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN. France, the main country who opposed the mention In the EU Lisbon Treaty Europe's Christian roots, but tolerates and accepts most muslims in Europe. However, all educated people know that what is happening in North Africa, Near and Middle East is not incidental.In this case, finally, France seem to awaken,being the country with the largest muslim minority in Europe.In the EU Lisbon Treaty were not mentioned Europe's Christian roots???!!!, in the name of "positive discrimination" and not to "disturb" packs of immigrants and especially of their "sensitivity" .It is time for us Europeans and especially political leaders of the 27 EU countries aware of the danger of muslim intolerance.And we know well this, because we have in Europe a little muslim majority state named Albania =who is as well as member NATO!!!!! and 2 two former Yugoslav provinces,Bosnia with one-third of the inhabitants muslim and Kosovo; muslims want to destroy all traces of Christians . Radical islam is the fact :intolerance, terror, revenge....especially against Christianity. That saw all in Egypt earlier this year, when 30 Coptic Christians were killed in Alexandria as well few days ago in Cairo. It is the failure of multiculturalism imposed , which tried to gypsies, muslims, africans etc. be integrated in European societies, especially in the West countries. And these are the fruits of these wrong policies. Uncontrolled immigration leads inevitably to ethnic conflict. Did you know in the name of "positive discrimination" and not to "disturb" packs of g.y.p.s.y and especially of their "sensitivity", that are offered them places in colleges and universities with NO CONTEST???? We ROMANIANS are discriminated, in no event minorities, including of course as well as the gypsies, nomadic population came to Europe from India during the Middle Ages.

You have the green light from Greece.
Borders 'll open without a stop.
"Roads are open and dogs are tied" we say over here.
What minus we have from Bulgaria, Romania and rest newer countries.

Idemo Aderfia

There are EU countries that have not recognized Kosovo. How could the report talk about 'Kosovo' integrating the North? It's a stupid farce.

If you are a Serbian Orthodox Christian then Giving Kossovo away is giving your soul away. It might be ok if you're an atheiest or communist, but not a Serb Orthodox Christian, can't be !

@ataman"You pass the villages - no electricity on the streets! Streets dark, people sitting at home. Looks like place with very sorry life. We crossed from Ukraine, Ukraine, too, is Monaco in comparison. And they laughing at Romanians."

This is indeed the worst joke I heard from a nostalgic soviet!!!ha,ha, ha, you were drunk when you crossed the border?Come in Bucharest( the 6th largest city in EUROPEAN UNION) ,
is full of foreign tourists-from Japan, US, Canada,Germany,Austria,Italy etc. not from exsoviet countries , as well as in Maramures, Bucovina , Transilvania etc.It was real funny, miserable ukraine-who lost also recently at Haga western Black Sea shelf in the favor of ROMANIA-a "new Monaco "compared with ROMANIA!!!iulia timosenko or victor ianukovici told you that???really funny, uneducated ataman.
About the entry of Serbia in EU, that accession would normally be judged on the same terms of the eventual accession of Croatia in 2013-who needs the vote in 27 EU Parliaments as well as he favorable outcome in referendums in ALL 27 EU COUNTRIES!!!

About Romanian Warriors,we impaled more muslims in the Middle Age .
(Romanian Warrior, 13 October 2011 10:34)

Matter of fact: Vlad 'Tepes' impaled largely Bulgarian villagers. He also was very keen to impale women, he liked that even better than impale men. He was known to dine in the mid of impaled, but still alive people. That time there was no Hague for war criminals - so in lieu of that he was luckily poisoned and went to a very special place in hell.

No idea why didn't you chose much better personalities like Ștefan cel Mare who was victorious in 46 out of 48 battles, pretty neat record. Or his son, Petru Rareº. Instead of jokes about Vlad Tepeº - visit the real Humor and see pictures of Ștefan cel Mare and Petru Rareº. Much better place than Bucharest.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Rares.jpg

http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/Monasteries_and_Churches/Romanian/Humor

"So, Croatia will be in the EU within a couple of years even though they haven't resolved the Krajina problem and the cleansing of half a million Serbs. They also openly celebrate their indicted war criminals. But Serbia on the other hand will probably have to wait 20 years to see any acceptance if at all. …"
(Mike, 12 October 2011 16:30)

Yet another statement that has no tangible base with reality. I am not sure if this is an indication of incompetence and/or simply twisting the truth, but you "Mike" should wake up and face the reality. Bluntly stating that Krajina problem still exists is plain wrong. The problem has been resolved many years ago. :-)

Saying that half a million Serbs have been ethnically cleansed makes me laugh. Where do you come up with these numbers and silly statements?

And if course if you are so against the EU as this represents the evil that Serbs despise then hold a referendum now and force your government not to participate in accession negotioations.

Last but not least make leave Croatia out of this as we really couldn't care less if you join or not. Of course posting on these kind of forums is much easier (for true patriots like yourself) than actually doing something about it.

when you destroy Christian Orthodox churches -UNESCO monuments , from Kosovo and Metohia.
(Romanian Warrior, 12 October 2011 21:33)

Hehe, I am one of the guys who is allowed to park inside of the Gracanica monastery.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4242/38938583.jpg

My pic from inside and from where I did stay at the konak. That time KEK did provide electricity only few hours a day and the monastery illumination was done by Swedish troops (now gone).

I have difficulty to turn into Albanian simply because it would happen after much of Skenderbeg konjak - and I would simply fall asleep before that. But I can try, still have one full bottle.

Romanian Warrior, is it actually true that the Romanian forces were the weakest link at the battle of Stalingrad and that thanks to you the Germans lost that battle? I am only asking in order to get an idea about the fighting power of Romanian warriors.
(Tulips from Amsterdam, 13 October 2011 11:22)

thank Lord, yes. It wasn't their battle and it wasn't their cause. But at least Russians and Ukrainians or Jews did not suffer that much under Romanian occupation. The worst (by far surpassing SS troops) was the Hungarian army - compared with their strength they committed more crimes than the rest. Best were the Italian and Romanian troops - that war wasn't their war and they engaged in black trade with Russian partizans.

On one subject both Italians and Romanians were pretty pushy with partizans - they demanded volunteer girls ;-) But true, they kept the promise and delivered the ammo and rifles in exchange as agreed. Germans were no jokers but Hungarians often just went postal on the locals without apparent reason.

See their actions in Novi Sad even before the Great Patriotic War. It seems, that while many German officers were of old Prussian chivalry school, quite many Hungarian officers were just arrow-cross nuts. The soldiers behaved accordingly.

Serbia don`t sell your soul and join this european mess.
Switzerland will never join either.

Zoran,

After obtaining the EU candidate status the next step for Serbia is to start the accession negotiations.

Serbia will probably start accession negotiations with the EU in 2013. In this case, Serbia might join the EU in 2020 or 2021.

The candidate status means nothing without the accession start date, just ask Turkey or Fyrom.

Serbia is becoming a EU state, which means no soul, no integrity and no honor!
Congratulations!

Well it’s official. Serbia did all it could and EU still declined to accept its membership in the Union. Serbia can hold its head up high because it did all the right things without sacrificing its principles.

Now it is time to move on. EU does not want Serbia, but the country can still return as a regional economic and political giant. But instead of smoky room politicking it will just have to do it the old fashioned way, with hard work and determination.

Kosovo is a done deal. With the exception of some minor house cleaning issues to clear up, it will remain neither a state nor province in perpetuity. Further effort on that front will only divert valuable and limited resources away form the real work that needs to be done. The new administration in 2012 will have to focus on reestablishing Serbia’s educational prowess that seems to be eroding, stabilize politics with German-like precision and do away with crime in the way USA did back in the 1930s. It will continue to maintain preferred trading partner status with BRIC and EU countries and will gain acceptance with USA over time. It has ample natural resources and will soon have the energy and raw stock for chemical operations (via Southern Stream line) required to turn those into much desired and easily exportable finished goods.

There is no salvation other self reliance, and there is no substitute for hard work. Throughout their history Serbs have been forced into the former and have always been leaders in the latter. They have been distracted in the past few decades by foreign interests and empty promises. Now it’s time for Serbs to get back to their roots. Trust your abilities, focus on the vision ahead, fear no one but God himself and sing His praises loudly and often. It will be a most glorious ride back to the top.

Tadic has just booked a 3rd class ticket on the Titanic. Ship leaves soon....

all aboard.
(Niall O'Doherty, 12 October 2011 16:28)
--
Now this is the best comment. Well said.

Here is my opinion -> http://i45.tinypic.com/2r77prn.jpg

Now a question for Mircea, EU champion. What does this conditional candidate status mean for Serbia? As far as I can tell, since it's conditioned on selling KiM, it means nothing really. Tadic will just have to continue selling out if he wants the real deal (i.e. board the Titanic with his 3rd class ticket).

“additional significant progress in further normalization of relations with Kosovo”.

Clear message, but I wonder if Serbs know what it means?
(Kosova-USA, 12 October 2011 14:43) "

Clear? I wonder if anyone knows what this statement really means, Serb or non-Serb ..... if there was indeed a message, it seems far from clear to me ..... if whatever that has been "achieved" so far in the Belgrade-Pristina talks already sufficed to the EU as "significant progress in normalization of relations with Kosovo", then the "additional" progress required doesn't seem such a tall order to me prima facie. Who knows, might an agreement to sell electricity to Kosovo might even be deemed to qualify as "additional significant progress" ?

I know you have your own wish list as to what you would like that statement to mean, but I think even within the EU itself there is no consensus as to what that statement should entail.

And I continue to think it is not in Serbia's interest to join the EU.

For some 'strange' reason, France and Germany don't want Turkey to join because the majority is Muslim people however they have no problem backing a Muslim state called Kosovo. ...

(Mike, 12 October 2011 16:30)

The difference between Turkey and Kosovo is about 73 million people. Turkey has nearly the population of Germany, adding it would change the idea of what Europe is. (And it's up to Europe whether they want to change that much.) Adding Kosovo will be like adding one more good-sized city, nothing essential will change, and besides, the Kosovars were Europeans before the populations of many of the current member states arrived on the scene.

Mirel, on Albania - the report pointed out that the government was doing good work, and practically said that it's all Rama's fault. Maybe that will help - in the past, they just said, as far as I can remember, that both sides have to learn to cooperate. The new mayor in Tirana sounds much calmer and focused on the city's problems rather than overthrowing the national government than Rama used to. Maybe that will help to cool things down for the whole country, and allow next year's report card to be better.

Amer- will you discuss internal Albanian politics on another site. The new mayor of Tirana is of little interest to this board IMHO.

Is that... Kosovo included in the picture of serbian map? DUDE is this map made of serbia because i couldn't find no where in the western public library's.... holly crab wake up people from the bad dream's not very good for your health..and you want to joint the civilized EU ...hmmmm ...balkan sorry i dont... dont think so for a another 100 years..

"Romanian Warrior, 12 October 2011 21:33 ??
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Never heard of romanian warriors.
Grow up.
(Rocky, 13 October 2011 00:55) "

REALLY???Eternal Glory to my country ROMANIA and all our ancestors, who defended EUROPE against barbarian hordes as well as against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle Ages.OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST bless ROMANIA , named by Pope JOHN PAUL the 2nd" SAINT VIRGIN garden", in the first visit of a bishop of Rome(in 1999) in a majority Orthodox country in the last 1000 years!Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe.About Romanian Warriors,we impaled more muslims in the Middle Age . In this way did in Middle Age Romanian Princes with the muslim turks, in Walachia, Moldavia and Transylvania.I suppose you've heard even about Vlad the Impaler -VLAD TEPES, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476)best known for his resistance against the Ottoman Empire and its expansion and for the impaling of enemies muslims, example:impaled Hamza Pasha, the Bey of Nicopolis brought with him 1,000 cavalry( who have inspired "educated" Western the association of his name to that of the vampire Count Dracula in Bram Stoker's 1897 novel Dracula).See you soon!

the picture in this news source cracks me up hahhahhaahahha face the reality for god sake not lies

Sorry, wrong title. The Commission PROPOSES to give Serbia candidate status. This has still to be approved by all 27 member states by unanimity! Good luck!

I wonder if Serbia could join BRICS instead of EU if EU clearly doesn't want to accept Serbia?

thank god! for nato, esp.ly in the balkans.

ciao. roberto frisco
(roberto, 13 October 2011 03:38)

Jawohl, Herr Obersturmbannführer - Sieg, Heil! Let's sing together, what a joy - THIS is the parade matching your style, not the other one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWd_jEMTfjo

Few more posts like this, you will be a good boy and promoted to SS-Standartenführer. Der Sieg wird unser sein!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vezr3dW4J5s

@Ataman, The media loves to cover the atrocities committed by the Germans during the war, but rarely do you hear about the millions who died by the hands of the Soviets! In fact, the Russians killed many more people than Germany ever did. I guess if you win the war, you get to write the history! Sad that even today, reporting the facts still isn't done on an even playing field.All educated people know that ukraine is an artificial state, leaven by stalin with lands stolen from Romania, Poland and former Czechoslovakia.That "chunk of Ukraine" is today's Moldavia and was always a Romanian territory. Most people who lived there are Romanians and they speak Romanian. Moldavia was taken by force by Russia during WWII. This is why the Romanian Marshall Antonescu declared war to Russia - to recover a Romanian territory. Read real history first, and then post. You learned history at the sovietic school, Ataman.But at least I can talk with you, compared with the drug tulips from amsterdam.Nazi, Germany etc,etc,etc.BUT WHEN about stalin and soviet crimes????What vulgar manipulation…but why hide to the public War crimes perpetrated by the armed forces of Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union from 1919 till 1991, who include acts committed by the regular army—the Red Army (later called the Soviet Army)—as well as the NKVD, including the NKVD's Internal Troops. “Many of these incidents occurred in Northern and Eastern Europe before and during World War II, and involved summary executions and mass murder of prisoners of war (such as Katyn massacre in POLAND , 1940 as well as FANTANA ALBA in ROMANIA, 1st of April 1941) and mistreatment of civilians in Soviet occupied territories. Although there are numerous documented cases of such incidents. In September 1939, the Red Army invaded eastern Poland and occupied it in accordance with the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Later, the Soviets forcefully occupied the Baltic States and parts of Romania, including Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, as well.
Soviet policy in all of these areas was harsh towards the people under its control, showing strong elements of ethnic cleansing. NKVD task forces followed the Red Army to remove "Soviet-hostile elements" from the conquered territories.”
During 1940-1941, between 12,000 and 13,000 Bukovinians (mostly, but not only ethnic Romanians) were deported to Siberia and the Gulag. Together with emigration and killings, during the same period, out of 250,000 Romanians in Chernivtsi Oblast, only 192,000 were left. It has been claimed that these persecutions were part of a program of deliberate extermination, planned and executed by the Soviet regime."
Nothing to comment more.

The things I learn today are remarkable. So actually their failure was an act of resistance? And I always thought they were just a just a bunch of incompetent "soldiers".
(Tulips from Amsterdam, 13 October 2011 13:38)

A soldier sabotaging nazis is a good soldier for me, for whatever reason he does.

Some did not sabotage, see the SS Hunyadi, SS Skanderbeg and SS Handschar. At least Romanian participation in SS was minimal, even that they had Iron Guard.

@Romanian:

What you write about the army is not baseless, one thing needs to be added. The atrocities never were planed to a mass degree like the bombing of Dresden by Amerian/British or Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
Stalin was a criminal and he commanded the army obviously a criminal way. The communist party was a criminal organization from the very beginning. What you expect if the leadership are gangsters.


Regarding Ukraine: Romanians and Slavs did mix a lot and the official language of medieval Romania as in church and chronicles was the church-slavonic. You can see it with your eyes in every single monastery. The medieval Rus with Halmgard (Novgorod) and Kiev does pre-date anything what Romanians have in their written history. Sorry, this is not easy to dispute. Show me a single building associated with Romanians older than St. Sophia in Kiev. And the oldest buildings I know in Romania like the cathedral in Alba Iulia are NOT associated with Romanians.

Not only that - but the Romanian word "Ardeal" describing Transylvania has no meaning in Romanian. Pretty much like every geographic name in that area and pretty much like Albanian geographic names in Kosovo.

For instance, the word "forest" is "erdö". Look up the Carpathians - you see as much forest as you want. That's why the place is "Erdély", Serbs call it "Erdelj".

The best is not to discuss Ukraina or Russia, otherwise I start to discuss "Ardeal" and that will be a bad business. Or that the original name of Iasi was "Jászvásár" ("Ossetian Market") - and that is even in Moldova.

Serbia has been following last ten years how EU has implemented its “European values” and standards in their neighbourhood. I have some doubts if this is a wise strategy. In Balkans regions supervised by foreign “expertise” have worst record while regions without these outside high-flown ideas perform relatively better. Good examples for “worst practice” are Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo, where international community has implemented its huge missions over ten years. Both cases have had modest development of civil society but in reality the progress of some original multi-ethnic ideas is going backwards. Kosovo will probably be an international protectorate – a quasi-state captured by organized crime tribes - also next decade; Bosnia will totter between breakup, federation/confederation, state, protectorate depending inner politics and exterior influences.

From my point of view also Serbia should think if joining to EU is worth of time, money and bureaucracy it demands. Of course Serbia can develop its administration and legislation according EU standards but not because of fulfilling EU needs. The primus motor should be the needs of the beneficiaries aka Serbs not EU elite in Brussels. In my opinion there also will be some grey area between non- and full EU membership called e.g. “privileged partnership” which now is on planning stage to solve question about Turkey.

More about Serbia's EU road e.g. in Serbia's EU association is not a Must ( https://arirusila.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/serbias-eu-association-is-not-a-must/ )

Finally a skeptical description - by Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey/Pravda (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/26-05-2011/118016-mladic_arrest-0/) - how EU makes Serbia blessed:

And congratulations, Serbia. Now you can join the European Union. Wonderful! Stand back and watch your industry destroyed as what you export is assimilated by German industries, watch your agriculture decimated as you are paid not to produce and your production goes to France before you are left with barren fields, stand back and watch the EU label Slivovica illegal because some idiot in Brussels doesn't like it. Stand back and watch your unemployment rate skyrocket, watch a clique of elitists whisked off to cushy jobs in Brussels, watch your prices treble and your salaries stagnate and watch your customs destroyed as you become assimilated first by the EU and then by NATO. You will have to pay for it, you know. The people, not the leaders, of course... Nobody will ask you if you want to join NATO but you will be expected to buy its equipment and participate in its wars.

Two middle age men sitting on their wrinkled lilly white arses in California post here telling the people of Serbia what they have to do.

Maybe the two of you oldies, Tom and Roberto, should connect and use your own money to sue the govt. here. People don't have jobs, can't feed their kids and you want to sue to get a gay pride parade. Grow up!

You both 'has-beens' need to get a life.

Regarding this debate about Romania, my experiences have been positive. The cities and beaches I visited were quite nice, good value for money and the accommodation was superb for the price. The biggest problems were the roads and lack of motorways but otherwise I would recommend a holiday in Romania to anyone.
(Zoran, 13 October 2011 00:28)

I had extremely positive experience with people in Romania, unfortunately the conditions they live in are much worse than what they deserve and I second the very bad roads. I also think, Romanians are horribly bad organizers.

A major challenge for a tourist in Romania like in Albania is the language.

Very estimated Romanian Warrior,

This is absolutely the worst place to discuss your opinion with issues regarding Serbs, Russians, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Poles and such. Of course there are issues. Of course you can be wrong on many or correct on many.

FYI: this is a menagerie with every single inch of it defecated by a funny species called "Albanosaurus Trollus Maximus". That species has only little to do with humans living in Albania, but they claim otherwise.

Just watch your back - and remember that being defecated in many cultures is a sign, you get money or other kind of luck soon. Everyone from Russia to Greece here is already a millionaire, the crap is raining.

Nothing to comment more.
(Romanian Warrior, 13 October 2011 13:39)

RE: Romanian Wiermacht

The only comment you should consider is that Romania, Croatia and Hungary as well as other Nazi allied countries sent troops to Leningrad and Stalingrad leading to thousands of innocent Russian citizen dying including not allowing food into those besiged cities. You have the audacity to speak about Romanian massacres after the Romanian military joined the German Wiermacht.

After obtaining the EU candidate status the next step for Serbia is to start the accession negotiations.
(Mircea EU citizen, 12 October 2011 22:02)
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Thanks for confirming. Just as I thought, candidate status without a start date for accession negotiations translates into another dud for Serbian voters. Yes, those DS supports love those plastic EU carrots. If they don't put on their glasses they actually look real.

Regarding this debate about Romania, my experiences have been positive. The cities and beaches I visited were quite nice, good value for money and the accommodation was superb for the price. The biggest problems were the roads and lack of motorways but otherwise I would recommend a holiday in Romania to anyone.

Romanian Warrior

don't waste your time with arguments and facts; the deciding factor is something else; whether Romania recognizes Kosovo or not. When Romania recognizes Kosovo, the Romanian "supporters" here be saying about Romania the opposite of what they say today.