Russian Permanent Representative to NATO Dmitry Rogozin says Serbia will not join NATO until it has recognized the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo.
Serbia should NEVER join NATO and instead be closer to Russia & China. it is only Mr. Tadic and his DS Party want to join. THe Serbian people should not forget that NATO is responsible in bombing Serbia in 1999 and the "occupation" of Kosovo province and protecting "the snake" in pristina. see also how they treat the Serbs right now in the north under the disguised of EULEX / KFOR and they obviously serving the interest of the albanians more.
Why the West needed NATO
• US Industrial Military Complex
• Provides thousands of jobs in the West
• Former colonial powers need to control markets and resources
Why we don't need NATO
• Soviet Union Collapsed
• This is the purpose of UN
• Humanity needs disarmament not armament
• Convert military jobs to humanitarian jobs
• Trade rather than conquest
Why is this not done:
USA needs this economic engine as a way to world economic and military domination part of the Project for the New American Century. Weapons are standardized US produced with some British and French planes. US gets small nations into its orbit which is easier for globalization and McDonaldization and Walmartization of the world.
Project for the New American Century
America must:
1. Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia and the Middle East;
2. Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft, submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
3. Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a strategic dominance of space;
4. Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
5. Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.
Reasons for NATO
• Need to find reason to Exist after fall of USSR
• Peace keeping was the reason they gave
• US needs NATO for Economic Reasons
• Globalization
• Project for the New American Century
• Involvement Iraq Afghanistan for economic reasons
• Bases to protect Economic interests e.g. Bondsteel in Kosovo
NATO's unprovoked attacks in many areas of the world is a violation of every precept of international law. It is a violation of the Final Act of the Conference On Security and Co-operation in Europe, signed in Helsinki in August, 1975, which reaffirmed respect for sovereign equality, the inviolability of frontiers, the peaceful settlement of disputes, non-intervention in internal affairs, and the avoidance of the threat or use of force. It is a violation of NATO's own treaty by which it undertakes "to settle any international dispute . . . by peaceful means . . . and to refrain from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."
My comment is cut on half but full is there. Also I'm using this opportunity to answer to the politicians what happened 99yr. ago or (1912-1914) Albania, Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria was under Turkish - yes or no - YES. Or Balkan Wars is association of several states right.
Name of country is:Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece have joined together to free themselves from the Turks normally this 3 people were taken own land. Albania was nowhere to fight together with these 3 people but you get what is yours and be right where you are. Serbia was liberated from the Turks you have not spent a bullet. You sleep 100yr and today you yump seek for the country now. Ser, Turks are your aggressor, Serbs and Greeks gave you free Tirana to live freely in peace with its neighbors.
Sugestion: Learn History before you go to public, Please.
Don't you worry, mr Rogozin. Not even in the wildest nightmare I could imagine Serbia, as a member of Nato (!), waging war against another state dealing with an intern problem.
One question to all politicians out of Serbia is:
Did Serbia attacked any country in Europe the last 100yr.
Answer is NO. What Serbia wants? Clear answer is:
territory of Serbia to remain in Serbia and nothing else.
(milan, 10 October 2011 19:54
99 years ago serbia sent its army to capture Durres in the newly declared Albanian territory.
Why? serb objective was to gain access to Adriatik sea at Albanian peoples expense.
as if Albanians were not divided enough among its neighbours.
You are there in the 2-nd War we have beter condition for you close to Belgrade river Danube.It's time to keep any condition in the own packet
use them in the own land & people but not Serb ,including me till I walk.
(milan, 10 October 2011 19:54)
B92,
Would you please edit Milan's writing so we can all appreciate his words of wisdom.
Why does any country want to join NATO? What does NATO exist for except to oppress countries like Serbia? Does Serbia really want to be in the same military alliance as Croatia or Turkey? Do Serbs believe the NATO bombing of their country was justified? Is there any justice for Serbs under the current European military order?
We are hearing frank and honest talk from this Russian, but he takes a rather narrow point of view regarding the prospects of Serbia joining NATO. There is a little more at stake then just Slavic solidarity.
"In the end, Serbs are masters of their own destiny, and for that reason, others will treat Serbs in the way in which they behave. In the western world, only the strong and self-assured are appreciated, while those who are weak and liable to treason are only spurred to more weakness and treason, to later be forgotten and discarded into the trash like a toy they grew bored with," warned the Russian diplomat.'
Wow, perfectly said Dimitry! What a slap in the face to Tadic and his treasonous 'Vichy Serbs', I love it!
'Russia is ready to help her Serb brothers, Rogozin continued, but Russians "cannot be more Serb than Serbs themselves". Therefore, "before doing anything", Moscow wishes to understand the position of official Belgrade - and whether official Belgrade has a stance at all.'
Another strong slap at the subservient quisling regime! Keep it going!
"You must know that we in Russia often think about the destiny of Orthodox Serbia that suffered many times, and history knows how much my state and the Russian nation sacrificed in order to help the Serb nation. But now you and only you must determine your destiny. We will, as always, give your our full support," Rogozin concluded.'
Let me put that last statement in the vernacular. Serbs, please wake up, vote out your quisling western implanted EU/US bootlicking regime, vote in a patriotic government, and we will support you even more, in a much stronger way - economicaly, politicaly and militarily if required.
Thank you Dmitry, for speaking the truth, spelling it out for all to see who indeed are their friends and who are their enemies.
"So the talk about Serbia joining NATO must be getting stronger behind the scenes." IT'S CALLED propaganda, Period.
Serbia needs its citizens to care more about the future of themselves then anyone else. Do you think that Serbs will be around in 500 years? answer Yes. Do you think that American military bases will be in Kosovo in 500 years? Answer-No. The Albanian people will be have the most to lose in the end. This is just the way history works, and Kosovo is no different.
I agree, I really don’t think that the recognition of Kosovo would be a condition for Serbia joining NATO. They are a Partnership for Peace (PfP) member, and the Serbian military has gone through major reforms within the last 8 years. From personal experience working with the Serbian Military, on Joint Implementation Commission matters, Col Popović, and his men are ultimate professional soldiers that I would be proud to serve with.
Joining NATO or even the mention of joining NATO gets alot of negative comments from citizens who still feel the rage of the NATO bombing campaign. This needs to be a Serbian decision. Russia, the US, the UK and Germany are looking out for their best interests, not Serbia’s.
A country needs to define what is best for them, not having others define it. I was in Kosovo when the Russian where here, besides not having the supplies and equipment to sustain any sort of operation, they couldn’t pay their own soldiers who were deployed.
I was a common site to see Russian Soliders selling fuel and other black market items to the local Albanians.
Finally the question should be asked, who would benefit from NATO membership and who would be affected negatively from Serbia joining NATO? My personal opinion NATO membership would be a win, win for Serbia, a losing proposition for Russia.
One question to all politicians out of Serbia is:
Did Serbia attacked any country in Europe the last 100yr.
Answer is NO. What Serbia wants? Clear answer is:
territory of Serbia to remain in Serbia and nothing else.
That is why the Serbs fought for centuries for their country only.
The Turks did not destroy the Serbian nationality for 500yr.
in mid of the 19 Century they kill top 25 Serbs, later Belgrade has liberty 1862)
What Europe did for all serbs in less than 20yr. (in Hag 150 worst tahn Turks (25 versus 150)
Clean up all serb teritory:Krajina, Bosnia, today in Serbia Kosovo,
next Sandzak and Vojvodina.
I can't see stop until you get to Belgrade with no end of condicition.
Last condition will be the Sava river (we remember Jasenovac) ops ... my mistake.
You are there in the 2-nd War we have beter condition for you close to Belgrade river Danube.It's time to keep any condition in the own packet
use them in the own land & people but not Serb ,including me till I walk.
"The NATO Statute forbids membership to those countries that have territorial disputes. However, this does not prevent a part of Serbia's public opinion and elite to launch discussions about the membership with an enviable perseverance," Rogozin stated in an interview for the Belgrade-based daily Politika.
True, but since when did NATO follow its own rules when it didn't need to? I'm not sure why Serbia would want to join this party. Free holidays in Afghanistan or wherever the west is busy producing the next genration of terrorists who want to kill westerners and non-believers?
It takes a man from Russia to tell the Serbian people what the real intentions of the Serbian government are. Its time that Serbia is ruled by Serbs and not the left overs of Yugoslavia and the star pupils of Montenegro.
Maybe they don't care about Kosovo. Maybe all they want is to buy Serbia's oil and gas company for a pittance. Oh, sorry that was your country, led by fair principles, forcing a "friend" to sell its most important economic asset when you know he can't afford to say No.
Russia will only use Serbs, just like the West. They will continue to call Serbs wimps ("we can't be more Serb than Serbs") and egg them on to continue irritating the West. But when time comes to take action they will run like the cowards they are. They had a chance to help themselves and support the Serbian cause while keeping NATO in check personally. All they had to do was to send a small military contingent into Kosovo when NATO/KFOR rolled in and they were invited. instead they declined because it would be "awkward." Having others fight Russia's battles is conveniently not awkward, and is in fact encouraged - from a safe distance of course.
Serbia has one hope and that is Serbia. It will never be a strong military power nor wield undue global influence. It can only command its destiny with cunning an intelligence. It needs to improve its education system, strengthen its work ethic and eliminate all graft and crime. None of this is as hard as it seems. The Japanese or Swiss models can serve as a guide. If Serbia prefers not to undertake this effort then it must accept its role as a permanent member of the EU harem, along with the other insignificant resident concubines. Serbia must act to control its destiny through hard work and sacrifice. Or not; and become comfortable with its perpetual EU subservience and global insignificance. In either case it must stop the endless whining and victimization nonsense. History is very clear on how Serbs were mistreated by the regional master du juor, and still are to a great extent. Serbia can use that to gain strength and excel or play the victim card and conbtinue its role as victim fodder for the strong. Rise up and take control of your destiny or parrish. The very same rules of evolution apply to Serbia as to the rebellious British Colonies in the Western Hemisphere. Things seemed to have worked out pretty well despite British obuse and apparent omnipotence.
So the talk about Serbia joining NATO must be getting stronger behind the scenes. Serbia does not need to recognize Kosovo, to join NATO. First, Romania does not recognize Kosovo and is in NATO (what a coincidence that there is an article about Romania saying just this in the same day). Second, Greece and Turkey have territorial disputes and they are both in NATO. Third, we need to hear what the criteria for joining NATO are for Serbia from a NATO representative, not from a NATO non-representative.
Serbia will NEVER join NATO! With that said, Serbia will NEVER recognize it's province as a country! Get over it. Imagine the uprising in Serbia if it were to happen. IT WON'T.
Serbia will NEVER join NATO! With that said, Serbia will NEVER recognize it's province as a country! Get over it. Imagine the uprising in Serbia if it were to happen. IT WON'T.
One question to all politicians out of Serbia is:
Did Serbia attacked any country in Europe the last 100yr.
Answer is NO. What Serbia wants? Clear answer is:
territory of Serbia to remain in Serbia and nothing else.
That is why the Serbs fought for centuries for their country only.
The Turks did not destroy the Serbian nationality for 500yr.
in mid of the 19 Century they kill top 25 Serbs, later Belgrade has liberty 1862)
What Europe did for all serbs in less than 20yr. (in Hag 150 worst tahn Turks (25 versus 150)
Clean up all serb teritory:Krajina, Bosnia, today in Serbia Kosovo,
next Sandzak and Vojvodina.
I can't see stop until you get to Belgrade with no end of condicition.
Last condition will be the Sava river (we remember Jasenovac) ops ... my mistake.
You are there in the 2-nd War we have beter condition for you close to Belgrade river Danube.It's time to keep any condition in the own packet
use them in the own land & people but not Serb ,including me till I walk.
"The NATO Statute forbids membership to those countries that have territorial disputes. However, this does not prevent a part of Serbia's public opinion and elite to launch discussions about the membership with an enviable perseverance," Rogozin stated in an interview for the Belgrade-based daily Politika.
True, but since when did NATO follow its own rules when it didn't need to? I'm not sure why Serbia would want to join this party. Free holidays in Afghanistan or wherever the west is busy producing the next genration of terrorists who want to kill westerners and non-believers?
It takes a man from Russia to tell the Serbian people what the real intentions of the Serbian government are. Its time that Serbia is ruled by Serbs and not the left overs of Yugoslavia and the star pupils of Montenegro.
"So the talk about Serbia joining NATO must be getting stronger behind the scenes." IT'S CALLED propaganda, Period.
Serbia needs its citizens to care more about the future of themselves then anyone else. Do you think that Serbs will be around in 500 years? answer Yes. Do you think that American military bases will be in Kosovo in 500 years? Answer-No. The Albanian people will be have the most to lose in the end. This is just the way history works, and Kosovo is no different.
"In the end, Serbs are masters of their own destiny, and for that reason, others will treat Serbs in the way in which they behave. In the western world, only the strong and self-assured are appreciated, while those who are weak and liable to treason are only spurred to more weakness and treason, to later be forgotten and discarded into the trash like a toy they grew bored with," warned the Russian diplomat.'
Wow, perfectly said Dimitry! What a slap in the face to Tadic and his treasonous 'Vichy Serbs', I love it!
'Russia is ready to help her Serb brothers, Rogozin continued, but Russians "cannot be more Serb than Serbs themselves". Therefore, "before doing anything", Moscow wishes to understand the position of official Belgrade - and whether official Belgrade has a stance at all.'
Another strong slap at the subservient quisling regime! Keep it going!
"You must know that we in Russia often think about the destiny of Orthodox Serbia that suffered many times, and history knows how much my state and the Russian nation sacrificed in order to help the Serb nation. But now you and only you must determine your destiny. We will, as always, give your our full support," Rogozin concluded.'
Let me put that last statement in the vernacular. Serbs, please wake up, vote out your quisling western implanted EU/US bootlicking regime, vote in a patriotic government, and we will support you even more, in a much stronger way - economicaly, politicaly and militarily if required.
Thank you Dmitry, for speaking the truth, spelling it out for all to see who indeed are their friends and who are their enemies.
So the talk about Serbia joining NATO must be getting stronger behind the scenes. Serbia does not need to recognize Kosovo, to join NATO. First, Romania does not recognize Kosovo and is in NATO (what a coincidence that there is an article about Romania saying just this in the same day). Second, Greece and Turkey have territorial disputes and they are both in NATO. Third, we need to hear what the criteria for joining NATO are for Serbia from a NATO representative, not from a NATO non-representative.
Russia will only use Serbs, just like the West. They will continue to call Serbs wimps ("we can't be more Serb than Serbs") and egg them on to continue irritating the West. But when time comes to take action they will run like the cowards they are. They had a chance to help themselves and support the Serbian cause while keeping NATO in check personally. All they had to do was to send a small military contingent into Kosovo when NATO/KFOR rolled in and they were invited. instead they declined because it would be "awkward." Having others fight Russia's battles is conveniently not awkward, and is in fact encouraged - from a safe distance of course.
Serbia has one hope and that is Serbia. It will never be a strong military power nor wield undue global influence. It can only command its destiny with cunning an intelligence. It needs to improve its education system, strengthen its work ethic and eliminate all graft and crime. None of this is as hard as it seems. The Japanese or Swiss models can serve as a guide. If Serbia prefers not to undertake this effort then it must accept its role as a permanent member of the EU harem, along with the other insignificant resident concubines. Serbia must act to control its destiny through hard work and sacrifice. Or not; and become comfortable with its perpetual EU subservience and global insignificance. In either case it must stop the endless whining and victimization nonsense. History is very clear on how Serbs were mistreated by the regional master du juor, and still are to a great extent. Serbia can use that to gain strength and excel or play the victim card and conbtinue its role as victim fodder for the strong. Rise up and take control of your destiny or parrish. The very same rules of evolution apply to Serbia as to the rebellious British Colonies in the Western Hemisphere. Things seemed to have worked out pretty well despite British obuse and apparent omnipotence.
Maybe they don't care about Kosovo. Maybe all they want is to buy Serbia's oil and gas company for a pittance. Oh, sorry that was your country, led by fair principles, forcing a "friend" to sell its most important economic asset when you know he can't afford to say No.
Why does any country want to join NATO? What does NATO exist for except to oppress countries like Serbia? Does Serbia really want to be in the same military alliance as Croatia or Turkey? Do Serbs believe the NATO bombing of their country was justified? Is there any justice for Serbs under the current European military order?
We are hearing frank and honest talk from this Russian, but he takes a rather narrow point of view regarding the prospects of Serbia joining NATO. There is a little more at stake then just Slavic solidarity.
My comment is cut on half but full is there. Also I'm using this opportunity to answer to the politicians what happened 99yr. ago or (1912-1914) Albania, Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria was under Turkish - yes or no - YES. Or Balkan Wars is association of several states right.
Name of country is:Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece have joined together to free themselves from the Turks normally this 3 people were taken own land. Albania was nowhere to fight together with these 3 people but you get what is yours and be right where you are. Serbia was liberated from the Turks you have not spent a bullet. You sleep 100yr and today you yump seek for the country now. Ser, Turks are your aggressor, Serbs and Greeks gave you free Tirana to live freely in peace with its neighbors.
Sugestion: Learn History before you go to public, Please.
I agree, I really don’t think that the recognition of Kosovo would be a condition for Serbia joining NATO. They are a Partnership for Peace (PfP) member, and the Serbian military has gone through major reforms within the last 8 years. From personal experience working with the Serbian Military, on Joint Implementation Commission matters, Col Popović, and his men are ultimate professional soldiers that I would be proud to serve with.
Joining NATO or even the mention of joining NATO gets alot of negative comments from citizens who still feel the rage of the NATO bombing campaign. This needs to be a Serbian decision. Russia, the US, the UK and Germany are looking out for their best interests, not Serbia’s.
A country needs to define what is best for them, not having others define it. I was in Kosovo when the Russian where here, besides not having the supplies and equipment to sustain any sort of operation, they couldn’t pay their own soldiers who were deployed.
I was a common site to see Russian Soliders selling fuel and other black market items to the local Albanians.
Finally the question should be asked, who would benefit from NATO membership and who would be affected negatively from Serbia joining NATO? My personal opinion NATO membership would be a win, win for Serbia, a losing proposition for Russia.
One question to all politicians out of Serbia is:
Did Serbia attacked any country in Europe the last 100yr.
Answer is NO. What Serbia wants? Clear answer is:
territory of Serbia to remain in Serbia and nothing else.
(milan, 10 October 2011 19:54
99 years ago serbia sent its army to capture Durres in the newly declared Albanian territory.
Why? serb objective was to gain access to Adriatik sea at Albanian peoples expense.
as if Albanians were not divided enough among its neighbours.
Serbia should NEVER join NATO and instead be closer to Russia & China. it is only Mr. Tadic and his DS Party want to join. THe Serbian people should not forget that NATO is responsible in bombing Serbia in 1999 and the "occupation" of Kosovo province and protecting "the snake" in pristina. see also how they treat the Serbs right now in the north under the disguised of EULEX / KFOR and they obviously serving the interest of the albanians more.
You are there in the 2-nd War we have beter condition for you close to Belgrade river Danube.It's time to keep any condition in the own packet
use them in the own land & people but not Serb ,including me till I walk.
(milan, 10 October 2011 19:54)
B92,
Would you please edit Milan's writing so we can all appreciate his words of wisdom.
Why the West needed NATO
• US Industrial Military Complex
• Provides thousands of jobs in the West
• Former colonial powers need to control markets and resources
Why we don't need NATO
• Soviet Union Collapsed
• This is the purpose of UN
• Humanity needs disarmament not armament
• Convert military jobs to humanitarian jobs
• Trade rather than conquest
Why is this not done:
USA needs this economic engine as a way to world economic and military domination part of the Project for the New American Century. Weapons are standardized US produced with some British and French planes. US gets small nations into its orbit which is easier for globalization and McDonaldization and Walmartization of the world.
Project for the New American Century
America must:
1. Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia and the Middle East;
2. Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft, submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
3. Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a strategic dominance of space;
4. Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
5. Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.
Reasons for NATO
• Need to find reason to Exist after fall of USSR
• Peace keeping was the reason they gave
• US needs NATO for Economic Reasons
• Globalization
• Project for the New American Century
• Involvement Iraq Afghanistan for economic reasons
• Bases to protect Economic interests e.g. Bondsteel in Kosovo
NATO's unprovoked attacks in many areas of the world is a violation of every precept of international law. It is a violation of the Final Act of the Conference On Security and Co-operation in Europe, signed in Helsinki in August, 1975, which reaffirmed respect for sovereign equality, the inviolability of frontiers, the peaceful settlement of disputes, non-intervention in internal affairs, and the avoidance of the threat or use of force. It is a violation of NATO's own treaty by which it undertakes "to settle any international dispute . . . by peaceful means . . . and to refrain from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."
Don't you worry, mr Rogozin. Not even in the wildest nightmare I could imagine Serbia, as a member of Nato (!), waging war against another state dealing with an intern problem.
So the talk about Serbia joining NATO must be getting stronger behind the scenes. Serbia does not need to recognize Kosovo, to join NATO. First, Romania does not recognize Kosovo and is in NATO (what a coincidence that there is an article about Romania saying just this in the same day). Second, Greece and Turkey have territorial disputes and they are both in NATO. Third, we need to hear what the criteria for joining NATO are for Serbia from a NATO representative, not from a NATO non-representative.
One question to all politicians out of Serbia is:
Did Serbia attacked any country in Europe the last 100yr.
Answer is NO. What Serbia wants? Clear answer is:
territory of Serbia to remain in Serbia and nothing else.
That is why the Serbs fought for centuries for their country only.
The Turks did not destroy the Serbian nationality for 500yr.
in mid of the 19 Century they kill top 25 Serbs, later Belgrade has liberty 1862)
What Europe did for all serbs in less than 20yr. (in Hag 150 worst tahn Turks (25 versus 150)
Clean up all serb teritory:Krajina, Bosnia, today in Serbia Kosovo,
next Sandzak and Vojvodina.
I can't see stop until you get to Belgrade with no end of condicition.
Last condition will be the Sava river (we remember Jasenovac) ops ... my mistake.
You are there in the 2-nd War we have beter condition for you close to Belgrade river Danube.It's time to keep any condition in the own packet
use them in the own land & people but not Serb ,including me till I walk.
Serbia will NEVER join NATO! With that said, Serbia will NEVER recognize it's province as a country! Get over it. Imagine the uprising in Serbia if it were to happen. IT WON'T.
One question to all politicians out of Serbia is:
Did Serbia attacked any country in Europe the last 100yr.
Answer is NO. What Serbia wants? Clear answer is:
territory of Serbia to remain in Serbia and nothing else.
(milan, 10 October 2011 19:54
99 years ago serbia sent its army to capture Durres in the newly declared Albanian territory.
Why? serb objective was to gain access to Adriatik sea at Albanian peoples expense.
as if Albanians were not divided enough among its neighbours.
Maybe they don't care about Kosovo. Maybe all they want is to buy Serbia's oil and gas company for a pittance. Oh, sorry that was your country, led by fair principles, forcing a "friend" to sell its most important economic asset when you know he can't afford to say No.
I agree, I really don’t think that the recognition of Kosovo would be a condition for Serbia joining NATO. They are a Partnership for Peace (PfP) member, and the Serbian military has gone through major reforms within the last 8 years. From personal experience working with the Serbian Military, on Joint Implementation Commission matters, Col Popović, and his men are ultimate professional soldiers that I would be proud to serve with.
Joining NATO or even the mention of joining NATO gets alot of negative comments from citizens who still feel the rage of the NATO bombing campaign. This needs to be a Serbian decision. Russia, the US, the UK and Germany are looking out for their best interests, not Serbia’s.
A country needs to define what is best for them, not having others define it. I was in Kosovo when the Russian where here, besides not having the supplies and equipment to sustain any sort of operation, they couldn’t pay their own soldiers who were deployed.
I was a common site to see Russian Soliders selling fuel and other black market items to the local Albanians.
Finally the question should be asked, who would benefit from NATO membership and who would be affected negatively from Serbia joining NATO? My personal opinion NATO membership would be a win, win for Serbia, a losing proposition for Russia.
"So the talk about Serbia joining NATO must be getting stronger behind the scenes." IT'S CALLED propaganda, Period.
Serbia needs its citizens to care more about the future of themselves then anyone else. Do you think that Serbs will be around in 500 years? answer Yes. Do you think that American military bases will be in Kosovo in 500 years? Answer-No. The Albanian people will be have the most to lose in the end. This is just the way history works, and Kosovo is no different.
It takes a man from Russia to tell the Serbian people what the real intentions of the Serbian government are. Its time that Serbia is ruled by Serbs and not the left overs of Yugoslavia and the star pupils of Montenegro.
Russia will only use Serbs, just like the West. They will continue to call Serbs wimps ("we can't be more Serb than Serbs") and egg them on to continue irritating the West. But when time comes to take action they will run like the cowards they are. They had a chance to help themselves and support the Serbian cause while keeping NATO in check personally. All they had to do was to send a small military contingent into Kosovo when NATO/KFOR rolled in and they were invited. instead they declined because it would be "awkward." Having others fight Russia's battles is conveniently not awkward, and is in fact encouraged - from a safe distance of course.
Serbia has one hope and that is Serbia. It will never be a strong military power nor wield undue global influence. It can only command its destiny with cunning an intelligence. It needs to improve its education system, strengthen its work ethic and eliminate all graft and crime. None of this is as hard as it seems. The Japanese or Swiss models can serve as a guide. If Serbia prefers not to undertake this effort then it must accept its role as a permanent member of the EU harem, along with the other insignificant resident concubines. Serbia must act to control its destiny through hard work and sacrifice. Or not; and become comfortable with its perpetual EU subservience and global insignificance. In either case it must stop the endless whining and victimization nonsense. History is very clear on how Serbs were mistreated by the regional master du juor, and still are to a great extent. Serbia can use that to gain strength and excel or play the victim card and conbtinue its role as victim fodder for the strong. Rise up and take control of your destiny or parrish. The very same rules of evolution apply to Serbia as to the rebellious British Colonies in the Western Hemisphere. Things seemed to have worked out pretty well despite British obuse and apparent omnipotence.
"The NATO Statute forbids membership to those countries that have territorial disputes. However, this does not prevent a part of Serbia's public opinion and elite to launch discussions about the membership with an enviable perseverance," Rogozin stated in an interview for the Belgrade-based daily Politika.
True, but since when did NATO follow its own rules when it didn't need to? I'm not sure why Serbia would want to join this party. Free holidays in Afghanistan or wherever the west is busy producing the next genration of terrorists who want to kill westerners and non-believers?
"In the end, Serbs are masters of their own destiny, and for that reason, others will treat Serbs in the way in which they behave. In the western world, only the strong and self-assured are appreciated, while those who are weak and liable to treason are only spurred to more weakness and treason, to later be forgotten and discarded into the trash like a toy they grew bored with," warned the Russian diplomat.'
Wow, perfectly said Dimitry! What a slap in the face to Tadic and his treasonous 'Vichy Serbs', I love it!
'Russia is ready to help her Serb brothers, Rogozin continued, but Russians "cannot be more Serb than Serbs themselves". Therefore, "before doing anything", Moscow wishes to understand the position of official Belgrade - and whether official Belgrade has a stance at all.'
Another strong slap at the subservient quisling regime! Keep it going!
"You must know that we in Russia often think about the destiny of Orthodox Serbia that suffered many times, and history knows how much my state and the Russian nation sacrificed in order to help the Serb nation. But now you and only you must determine your destiny. We will, as always, give your our full support," Rogozin concluded.'
Let me put that last statement in the vernacular. Serbs, please wake up, vote out your quisling western implanted EU/US bootlicking regime, vote in a patriotic government, and we will support you even more, in a much stronger way - economicaly, politicaly and militarily if required.
Thank you Dmitry, for speaking the truth, spelling it out for all to see who indeed are their friends and who are their enemies.
My comment is cut on half but full is there. Also I'm using this opportunity to answer to the politicians what happened 99yr. ago or (1912-1914) Albania, Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria was under Turkish - yes or no - YES. Or Balkan Wars is association of several states right.
Name of country is:Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece have joined together to free themselves from the Turks normally this 3 people were taken own land. Albania was nowhere to fight together with these 3 people but you get what is yours and be right where you are. Serbia was liberated from the Turks you have not spent a bullet. You sleep 100yr and today you yump seek for the country now. Ser, Turks are your aggressor, Serbs and Greeks gave you free Tirana to live freely in peace with its neighbors.
Sugestion: Learn History before you go to public, Please.
You are there in the 2-nd War we have beter condition for you close to Belgrade river Danube.It's time to keep any condition in the own packet
use them in the own land & people but not Serb ,including me till I walk.
(milan, 10 October 2011 19:54)
B92,
Would you please edit Milan's writing so we can all appreciate his words of wisdom.
Serbia should NEVER join NATO and instead be closer to Russia & China. it is only Mr. Tadic and his DS Party want to join. THe Serbian people should not forget that NATO is responsible in bombing Serbia in 1999 and the "occupation" of Kosovo province and protecting "the snake" in pristina. see also how they treat the Serbs right now in the north under the disguised of EULEX / KFOR and they obviously serving the interest of the albanians more.
Don't you worry, mr Rogozin. Not even in the wildest nightmare I could imagine Serbia, as a member of Nato (!), waging war against another state dealing with an intern problem.
Why does any country want to join NATO? What does NATO exist for except to oppress countries like Serbia? Does Serbia really want to be in the same military alliance as Croatia or Turkey? Do Serbs believe the NATO bombing of their country was justified? Is there any justice for Serbs under the current European military order?
We are hearing frank and honest talk from this Russian, but he takes a rather narrow point of view regarding the prospects of Serbia joining NATO. There is a little more at stake then just Slavic solidarity.
Why the West needed NATO
• US Industrial Military Complex
• Provides thousands of jobs in the West
• Former colonial powers need to control markets and resources
Why we don't need NATO
• Soviet Union Collapsed
• This is the purpose of UN
• Humanity needs disarmament not armament
• Convert military jobs to humanitarian jobs
• Trade rather than conquest
Why is this not done:
USA needs this economic engine as a way to world economic and military domination part of the Project for the New American Century. Weapons are standardized US produced with some British and French planes. US gets small nations into its orbit which is easier for globalization and McDonaldization and Walmartization of the world.
Project for the New American Century
America must:
1. Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia and the Middle East;
2. Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft, submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
3. Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a strategic dominance of space;
4. Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
5. Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.
Reasons for NATO
• Need to find reason to Exist after fall of USSR
• Peace keeping was the reason they gave
• US needs NATO for Economic Reasons
• Globalization
• Project for the New American Century
• Involvement Iraq Afghanistan for economic reasons
• Bases to protect Economic interests e.g. Bondsteel in Kosovo
NATO's unprovoked attacks in many areas of the world is a violation of every precept of international law. It is a violation of the Final Act of the Conference On Security and Co-operation in Europe, signed in Helsinki in August, 1975, which reaffirmed respect for sovereign equality, the inviolability of frontiers, the peaceful settlement of disputes, non-intervention in internal affairs, and the avoidance of the threat or use of force. It is a violation of NATO's own treaty by which it undertakes "to settle any international dispute . . . by peaceful means . . . and to refrain from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."
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