“Best way to help Serbs is to recognize Kosovo”

The chance for norther Kosovo to be a part of Pristinas domain vanished after the pogrom of 2004 when hundreds of Serbian churches were destroyed, thousands of Serbs expelled and some killed. There will be no more "living together" with the albanians. You stay where you are and leave us Serbs alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyb3_4XD2Ho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LglMUg74eCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTRAZ-A0B04&feature=related

This bozo wants Belgrade to recognize the US sponsored drug lord Thaci then Serbia has to set aside a certain number of jobs so that the Albanians can find employment to feed themselves.
Clown, keep on dreaming because the US is now on the point of no return and they will not be able to help you or your Albanians.
If the Albos and US and EU could have done something rest assured they would have done this a long time ago and that would include using force as the US recently tried to do.
It seems that the recent shots fired at the Jarinje checkpoint was done by US military at Germen forces then tried to blame the Serbs. One German was badly wounded while another was only slightly injured. More likely it was another US solder cracking up as they are notoriously known to do as these blundering idiots could not be trusted to organize a drink in a local tavern let alone execute a plan.
The problem with these US sponsored knuckle heads is that they think this is 1999 and they wield power of enormous strength. Let the Albo in Presvao Valley ask for separation, and where will they go? Kosovo? Oh one small pit of poverty to join with an even bigger pit of regional of poverty.
This is what they have stooped to now; they can’t do a blessed thing and its Preshavo Valley and Vojvodina blah, blah, blah.
Let me repeat myself so that even the thickest Albanian can understand – there is now a third party that will not allow this to settle because it’s not in their interests and this instability will continue.

Why would Serbia recognize Kosovo's independence if the the Serbs in Kosovo want to remain living in Serbia and if the Albanians in Kosovo obviously do not recognize Serbia and its borders. Serbs do not want to rule Albanians like Serbs do not want to be ruled by Albanians: how difficults is it to understand that once and for all? The best the Albanians in Kosovo can do and get is start negotiating by themselves (which I doubt they can) a fair settlement (to both sides) is which Kosovo is split. Serbia get the territories where Serbs live and where the hisotrical and religious sites are, Serbia gets to keep the name Kosovo, and the Kosovo Albanians can do what they want with their share: call it whatever you want except Kosovo and keep sinking like it has been doing or join Albania and live under Tirana's "law and order" and also keep sinking. Unfortunately for certain outsiders the current unsustainable situation is in their best interests proving that they are not interested in peace and stability and maintaining the "frozen conflict" is the best they can do with little effort.

Nobody cares what this Albo has to say.

Oh shut up, whoever you are. This Albanian drivel on a daily basis is unbearable. These guys read the same text day after day. Talk about a lack of vision or pragmatism? They have zero.

"But a comfortable framework for that is the Ahtisaari plan and European conventions on minorities’ rights,” he concluded, adding that the Kosovo Constitution provided maximum protection of ethnic minorities’ rights, especially Serbs.

Yes, the constitution does, but the KPS is not protecting Serbs and downplaying incidents as actions by 'playing kids', Albanians are attacking returnees, stoning buses, desecrating churches, robbing restored houses. Theory is a nice thing, reality on the ground in Kosovo is something totally different.

Sadly this pathetic old leader wants all the cake, unfortunately no one taught him manners and that he must share. He and his chums will all have to learn the hardway of compromising, so everyone can get a fair share.

What is this contstant rubbish about the "Ahtisaari plan"?
Its DEAD!!
It died on the 26th Nov 2008 when the UNSC unanimously agreed to replaced the Ahtisaari plan with the 6 Point plan!

The 6-point-plan means that the Kosovo officials would formally lose their contorl over North Kosovo!

These who keep mentioning the "Ahtisaari plan" are fools who are obviously uneducated and missinformed!
In other words, they are talking out of their A#se!

Who the hell are you Mr.Azem Vllasi?? you are nobody and Serbia dont care what comes out of your mouth.

Serbia will never give up Kosovo province even if EU membership is the price.

All you think is that Albanians did 'bad' things to Serbs in 2004. Did you forget what happened before 1999? Do you know how many Albanians were killed by so-called 'Black Hand'? Stop dreaming you Serbians, our actions in 2004 cant be compared with yours 10 years ago. In 1999, innocent Albanians were being shot and murdered from Serbian paramilitary forces because they did absolutely nothing.

This is not all, go check in Luginen e Presheves, you will see Albanians being unemployed, discriminated, what do you think if they put barricades as Serbs in north ? What would happen? I doubt that Serbia would act like us, I doubt that they will have same rights as local serbs have in North Kosovo.

LOL another cludeless Albanian lending what he thinks is pragmatic ideas to the debate. He might as well add that Serbia should give up Presevo and all of Vojvodina as well :) Does he not realize that repeated attempts to take over the north have led to violence? It's truly amazing what Albanians think these days. It's like they're living in this fantasy world of delusion that they've never done anything wrong and that all the problems with Kosovo are once again Milosevic's problem :)

Could yOu please tell me when in the last 2 years a bus containing Kosovo Serbs was stoned in Kosovo? your imaginary scenario is just that, imaginary.
(adriatik, 9 October 2011 13:00)

I rest my case about Albanian delusions. Go check the news about Serb buses being stoned everytime Serbs return to Albanian-populated areas to visit graves. Then read the idiotic comments from your fellow Albanians about these buses of old grannies actually being war criminals. Houses are looted, graves are desecrated, and people are beaten. That's what's part of the independent dream state of multiethnic Kosova where law and order can't even protect officials in Pristina in broad daylight

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2011/10/08/feature-01

"It seems that the recent shots fired at the Jarinje checkpoint was done by US military at Germen forces then tried to blame the Serbs. One German was badly wounded while another was only slightly injured"

I'm not familiar with this theory. Sorry for being pedantic, but could you provide a source?

great picture of the guy all he needs is a banana.

Analyst

Could yOu please tell me when in the last 2 years a bus containing Kosovo Serbs was stoned in Kosovo? your imaginary scenario is just that, imaginary.

"Serbs do not want to rule Albanians like Serbs do not want to be ruled by Albanians: how difficults is it to understand that once and for all?"

This is how the Pandora's box will be opened? In that vane do Serbs want to Rule Hungarians? Vlahs? "Bosniaks"? Bulgarians etc... A split of Kosovo may lead to a split of "rump" Serbia. Is that what Serbs want?

It is funny all these albanians want all the cake !
Kosovo is a serbian province so why serbia has to give all ?

Why do posters here think that the US is on some 'point of no return'?

It shows you have no clue about the size and immensity of American power compared with any other block or country. The only exception to this is the economic size of the EU (which I think is bigger than the US in terms of GDP) - and posters here think that is somehow going to collapse too. An economic downturn is not a final collapse - nothing like - and it is scarcely going to weaken the military power of the US in comparison to most states.

The thing that did collapse was the Balkans - and it is being funded by outside sources, including the EU and the US in order to bring it back to some degree of economic normality. Even back to normality, the Balkan countries - Serbia included - are going to be tiny compared to the EU or even to other EU countries.

Don't let your prejudice against the EU or the US be translated into unrealistic assessments of their capability. Milosevic underestimated the reaction he was generating and Serbia and he both got it in the neck because of it.

I as Albanian I am not supporter of Mr. Azem Vllasi, but he is telling the truth about the realty in the region. It would be the best for Serbia to accept the recognition of the independence of Kosovo, then to make they believe in Milosevic’s era.

This has to be the best crap I have heard yet from a the Mafia Regime. Stupid as this guys sounds, he is not that smart to oome up with it on his own. Maybe the same guy writing for Thaci and Rexhepi.

The best thing for Serbians in the province of Kosovo is Serbia, and a good long hard look at history reveals that, Kosovo is Serbia, history does not lie.

Serbia will never give up Kosovo province even if EU membership is the price.
(PRO-SERBIA, 9 October 2011 13:41)

Fair enough, with the only problem that you cannot refuse to give up something that you don't have.
A better formulation would be:
1) Serbia will never admit reality even if EU membership is the price.
or
2) Serbian politicians will never admit to their constituents that they lost Kosovo even if EU membership is the price.

I know a lot of Serbs here would like to solve Kosova/o isue in different way and sure you tried it but somehow it did not work....., but what amazes me is that you keep the same retoric again and repeat the same mistake over and over again...
Didn't we have a war about this? didn't you ignore the Albanians before and look where it got you? The elephant is in the room Serbia and sure it isn't going anywhere, arrogance is not goig to take you anywhere, period!
For all it maters you can put the whole planet earth in your costitution as many times as you want but in the end it is not going to change anything, Albanians are there, live there, been there forever and unless a miracle happen we are not going anywhere.
In my opinion Serbia and Serbs need to have a reality check regarding Kosova/o isue, they need to find a way or come up with something tha will put a lid on to this forever, it doesn't matter if it is "pandoras box" or not because sooner or later it's going to be open anyway, it is Balkan and we're too stupid not to fight with each other until we finally solve our borders.

thanks!

For some reason , I am certain that the cards are set here so that, in any case, they leave both Serbs and Albanians miserable.

Somebody is feeding the representatives and the people of the region BS about them being right and that is making both sides draw wrong moves. I know for certain that most Serbs think that the Russians will come and sweep the Albanians from Kosovo and they they could take it back, just like this. On the other hand, the Albanians are firm about USA having their back and that the Serbs should just move out and leave their homes.

Truth is, the only nations Russia and USA think about are Russia and USA (respectively).

The only solution (from my semi-professional position) is to create a monitored 10 (or 15) year plan for stabilizing Kosovo including the return of refugees, regionalization, restitution and transparent judicial prosecution of all assumed at fault.
After the return of about 250.000 Serbs and about 50.000 other minorities and their restitution from the Kosovo authorities and a formation of a viable judicial system which would guarantee the rights of minorities Serbia should be the first country which would recognize Kosovo as an independent state.

All in all, it is better for Serbs to have a developed (as much as possible) Kosovo outside Serbia than to have a ruined province with a extremely steep crime rate and incredible unemployment rate and ethnic tensions as a part of Serbia.

Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.
(trudsaam, 9 October 2011 20:24)

Capitulation of Serbia in Kumanovo back in 1999 has released Serb Forces from this worry. The power will be transfered to Serb Forces just the same way as the power in Kuwait will never be transferred to Iraqi Forces after their capitulation in 1991. You're obviously dreaming something sweet for you. Prepare yourself for reality check.

"He added that the current Serbian government was continuing Milošević’s policy toward Kosovo. "
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Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.

What nonsense from a criminal this is. It's the albos fault that they are in the limbo world - for 12 years after HATO's war against the Serbs, all the albos have been doing is stealing, drug-running and brutalizing the Serbs in kosovo. If they had actually been trying to build a lawful nation, then kosovo wouldn't be the balkan gaza strip that it is. They have no credibility and when the us and eu economies collapse, so will the hellhole called today's kosovo.

How can he ask of others to accept that which he deems unacceptable for his own people - that being autonomy? It's the height of hypocracy. Let's not play games, the KAlbs do not want the Serbs, only their land. The KAlbs have done nothing to prosecute the criminals who have murdered, raped, desecrated orthodox churches and cemeteries, and ethnically cleansed the Serbs out of Kosovo. The KAlbs PM is a gangster under whose direction Serbs AND Albanians were killed to support the human organ trade. Now all the Albanians who are willing to testify against their criminal acts are being eliminated.

Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.
(trudsaam, 9 October 2011 20:24)
Surely you realize that as long as 1244 is in force, that is totally impossible! One of the mandates of Kfor is to prevent the return of Serb Forces!

"All in all, it is better for Serbs to have a developed (as much as possible) Kosovo outside Serbia than to have a ruined province with a extremely steep crime rate and incredible unemployment rate and ethnic tensions as a part of Serbia."
(Vuk Mujovic, 9 October 2011 21:21)

You are right. That was the plan for Kosovo, unfortunately, it failed (not due to Serbia, but due to corrupt Kosovo Albanian politicians and nationalistic people). So currently, we have a region with extremely steep crime rate and incredible unemployment rate and ethnic tensions as a self-proclaimed country.

Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.
(trudsaam, 9 October 2011 20:24)
Surely you realize that as long as 1244 is in force, that is totally impossible! One of the mandates of Kfor is to prevent the return of Serb Forces!
(pss, 9 October 2011 23:28)

1244 Allows the return of small numbers of Serbian troops for certain duties, amongst them, controlling the border posts

New zealander,
The difference between maintaining a presence as 1244 says and controlling a border is huge, big. 1244 envisions a couple of Serbs in uniform looking pretty and waving to the passerbys.

Quite simply that Kosovo politicians serve dual language to the public protection for the rights to minirity because they are in Kosovo with Serbia, but the goal is a Greater Albania. Ok let show the public the reality of how many of them emigrated to Albania in the last 60 yrs. any cute and that half of Albania came to Kosovo When you return to your Albanjians all ilegal to Albania or Serbs in Kosovo no one word ..never. Practice has shown that on the ground you and other dealwith genocid pull out 250 000 were displaced in Croatia and is applied to their schools in Kosovo. What kind of country you want in Europe at the beginning when you do sell human organs is quite normal for you because you are just criminals - in the West all you would have already been in jail like turkish Dr.

The 6-point-plan means that the Kosovo officials would formally lose their contorl over North Kosovo!

These who keep mentioning the "Ahtisaari plan" are fools who are obviously uneducated and missinformed!
In other words, they are talking out of their A#se!
(Predrag, 9 October 2011 13:34)
Never read the so called 6 point plan have you. You are just relying on the cmments that it is some magical plan that is going to put Albanians in their place, and it was rejected by Kosovo. As a matter of fact it was never accepted by anyone.
However the crust of the plan was that dialgue was going to take place, it does not even specify who is going to be invlved in this dialogue or what is going to happen from this dialogue.
The interesting part is that it does state that Kosovo will be a single customs area and taxes will be collected at gates 1 and 31. Further discussions (of relevant parties??) will decide on the distribution of those monies with sme going to the development of the local communities.

Maybe you should read before waving the banner!

Of course EULEX rejected implementation of the 6 point plan before ever taking control so it did not enter under any false pretentions.

The only solution (from my semi-professional position) is to create a monitored 10 (or 15) year plan for stabilizing Kosovo including the return of refugees, regionalization, restitution and transparent judicial prosecution of all assumed at fault.

Vuk Mujovic


Vuk,

Is being in a semi-professional position the same as being in a semi-amateur position.

Why would anyone doing everything that was asked of the country, want to be a part of the EU and the downgrades?? Ne hvala! I will be more than happy to KEEP my OWN currency [Dinar] and identity. Give up your currency/money, give up your identity.

Yes, the constitution does, but the KPS is not protecting Serbs and downplaying incidents as actions by 'playing kids', Albanians are attacking returnees, stoning buses, desecrating churches, robbing restored houses. Theory is a nice thing, reality on the ground in Kosovo is something totally different.
(Analyst, 9 October 2011 12:19)

Let's ask a simple question. If hipothetically Kosovo decided to come back under Serbia, would Serbia grant to Albanians the same rights that K. Serbs have (on paper, at least) under Kosovo Constitution ? Would Serbia give to Albanians a veto to Serbia's constitution ?

Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.
(trudsaam, 9 October 2011 20:24)

Have you heard that 1244 will be abolished ?

The chance for norther Kosovo to be a part of Pristinas domain vanished after the pogrom of 2004 when hundreds of Serbian churches were destroyed, thousands of Serbs expelled and some killed. There will be no more "living together" with the albanians. You stay where you are and leave us Serbs alone.

We are my dear; you're the one's that are making all the troubles, if you don't like it, pls be our guests.....leave, we'll provide the moving fees......

Let's ask a simple question. If hipothetically Kosovo decided to come back under Serbia, would Serbia grant to Albanians the same rights that K. Serbs have (on paper, at least) under Kosovo Constitution ? Would Serbia give to Albanians a veto to Serbia's constitution ?
(icj1, 11 October 2011 04:58)

Could Kosovo Serbs exercise their veto power by voting against Kosovo separation from Serbia?

The chance for norther Kosovo to be a part of Pristinas domain vanished after the pogrom of 2004 when hundreds of Serbian churches were destroyed, thousands of Serbs expelled and some killed. There will be no more "living together" with the albanians. You stay where you are and leave us Serbs alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyb3_4XD2Ho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LglMUg74eCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTRAZ-A0B04&feature=related

Oh shut up, whoever you are. This Albanian drivel on a daily basis is unbearable. These guys read the same text day after day. Talk about a lack of vision or pragmatism? They have zero.

Nobody cares what this Albo has to say.

Who the hell are you Mr.Azem Vllasi?? you are nobody and Serbia dont care what comes out of your mouth.

Serbia will never give up Kosovo province even if EU membership is the price.

This bozo wants Belgrade to recognize the US sponsored drug lord Thaci then Serbia has to set aside a certain number of jobs so that the Albanians can find employment to feed themselves.
Clown, keep on dreaming because the US is now on the point of no return and they will not be able to help you or your Albanians.
If the Albos and US and EU could have done something rest assured they would have done this a long time ago and that would include using force as the US recently tried to do.
It seems that the recent shots fired at the Jarinje checkpoint was done by US military at Germen forces then tried to blame the Serbs. One German was badly wounded while another was only slightly injured. More likely it was another US solder cracking up as they are notoriously known to do as these blundering idiots could not be trusted to organize a drink in a local tavern let alone execute a plan.
The problem with these US sponsored knuckle heads is that they think this is 1999 and they wield power of enormous strength. Let the Albo in Presvao Valley ask for separation, and where will they go? Kosovo? Oh one small pit of poverty to join with an even bigger pit of regional of poverty.
This is what they have stooped to now; they can’t do a blessed thing and its Preshavo Valley and Vojvodina blah, blah, blah.
Let me repeat myself so that even the thickest Albanian can understand – there is now a third party that will not allow this to settle because it’s not in their interests and this instability will continue.

"But a comfortable framework for that is the Ahtisaari plan and European conventions on minorities’ rights,” he concluded, adding that the Kosovo Constitution provided maximum protection of ethnic minorities’ rights, especially Serbs.

Yes, the constitution does, but the KPS is not protecting Serbs and downplaying incidents as actions by 'playing kids', Albanians are attacking returnees, stoning buses, desecrating churches, robbing restored houses. Theory is a nice thing, reality on the ground in Kosovo is something totally different.

Why would Serbia recognize Kosovo's independence if the the Serbs in Kosovo want to remain living in Serbia and if the Albanians in Kosovo obviously do not recognize Serbia and its borders. Serbs do not want to rule Albanians like Serbs do not want to be ruled by Albanians: how difficults is it to understand that once and for all? The best the Albanians in Kosovo can do and get is start negotiating by themselves (which I doubt they can) a fair settlement (to both sides) is which Kosovo is split. Serbia get the territories where Serbs live and where the hisotrical and religious sites are, Serbia gets to keep the name Kosovo, and the Kosovo Albanians can do what they want with their share: call it whatever you want except Kosovo and keep sinking like it has been doing or join Albania and live under Tirana's "law and order" and also keep sinking. Unfortunately for certain outsiders the current unsustainable situation is in their best interests proving that they are not interested in peace and stability and maintaining the "frozen conflict" is the best they can do with little effort.

Analyst

Could yOu please tell me when in the last 2 years a bus containing Kosovo Serbs was stoned in Kosovo? your imaginary scenario is just that, imaginary.

What is this contstant rubbish about the "Ahtisaari plan"?
Its DEAD!!
It died on the 26th Nov 2008 when the UNSC unanimously agreed to replaced the Ahtisaari plan with the 6 Point plan!

The 6-point-plan means that the Kosovo officials would formally lose their contorl over North Kosovo!

These who keep mentioning the "Ahtisaari plan" are fools who are obviously uneducated and missinformed!
In other words, they are talking out of their A#se!

All you think is that Albanians did 'bad' things to Serbs in 2004. Did you forget what happened before 1999? Do you know how many Albanians were killed by so-called 'Black Hand'? Stop dreaming you Serbians, our actions in 2004 cant be compared with yours 10 years ago. In 1999, innocent Albanians were being shot and murdered from Serbian paramilitary forces because they did absolutely nothing.

This is not all, go check in Luginen e Presheves, you will see Albanians being unemployed, discriminated, what do you think if they put barricades as Serbs in north ? What would happen? I doubt that Serbia would act like us, I doubt that they will have same rights as local serbs have in North Kosovo.

Sadly this pathetic old leader wants all the cake, unfortunately no one taught him manners and that he must share. He and his chums will all have to learn the hardway of compromising, so everyone can get a fair share.

LOL another cludeless Albanian lending what he thinks is pragmatic ideas to the debate. He might as well add that Serbia should give up Presevo and all of Vojvodina as well :) Does he not realize that repeated attempts to take over the north have led to violence? It's truly amazing what Albanians think these days. It's like they're living in this fantasy world of delusion that they've never done anything wrong and that all the problems with Kosovo are once again Milosevic's problem :)

Could yOu please tell me when in the last 2 years a bus containing Kosovo Serbs was stoned in Kosovo? your imaginary scenario is just that, imaginary.
(adriatik, 9 October 2011 13:00)

I rest my case about Albanian delusions. Go check the news about Serb buses being stoned everytime Serbs return to Albanian-populated areas to visit graves. Then read the idiotic comments from your fellow Albanians about these buses of old grannies actually being war criminals. Houses are looted, graves are desecrated, and people are beaten. That's what's part of the independent dream state of multiethnic Kosova where law and order can't even protect officials in Pristina in broad daylight

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2011/10/08/feature-01

"Serbs do not want to rule Albanians like Serbs do not want to be ruled by Albanians: how difficults is it to understand that once and for all?"

This is how the Pandora's box will be opened? In that vane do Serbs want to Rule Hungarians? Vlahs? "Bosniaks"? Bulgarians etc... A split of Kosovo may lead to a split of "rump" Serbia. Is that what Serbs want?

Serbia will never give up Kosovo province even if EU membership is the price.
(PRO-SERBIA, 9 October 2011 13:41)

Fair enough, with the only problem that you cannot refuse to give up something that you don't have.
A better formulation would be:
1) Serbia will never admit reality even if EU membership is the price.
or
2) Serbian politicians will never admit to their constituents that they lost Kosovo even if EU membership is the price.

I as Albanian I am not supporter of Mr. Azem Vllasi, but he is telling the truth about the realty in the region. It would be the best for Serbia to accept the recognition of the independence of Kosovo, then to make they believe in Milosevic’s era.

It is funny all these albanians want all the cake !
Kosovo is a serbian province so why serbia has to give all ?

This has to be the best crap I have heard yet from a the Mafia Regime. Stupid as this guys sounds, he is not that smart to oome up with it on his own. Maybe the same guy writing for Thaci and Rexhepi.

The best thing for Serbians in the province of Kosovo is Serbia, and a good long hard look at history reveals that, Kosovo is Serbia, history does not lie.

great picture of the guy all he needs is a banana.

The 6-point-plan means that the Kosovo officials would formally lose their contorl over North Kosovo!

These who keep mentioning the "Ahtisaari plan" are fools who are obviously uneducated and missinformed!
In other words, they are talking out of their A#se!
(Predrag, 9 October 2011 13:34)
Never read the so called 6 point plan have you. You are just relying on the cmments that it is some magical plan that is going to put Albanians in their place, and it was rejected by Kosovo. As a matter of fact it was never accepted by anyone.
However the crust of the plan was that dialgue was going to take place, it does not even specify who is going to be invlved in this dialogue or what is going to happen from this dialogue.
The interesting part is that it does state that Kosovo will be a single customs area and taxes will be collected at gates 1 and 31. Further discussions (of relevant parties??) will decide on the distribution of those monies with sme going to the development of the local communities.

Maybe you should read before waving the banner!

Of course EULEX rejected implementation of the 6 point plan before ever taking control so it did not enter under any false pretentions.

Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.
(trudsaam, 9 October 2011 20:24)
Surely you realize that as long as 1244 is in force, that is totally impossible! One of the mandates of Kfor is to prevent the return of Serb Forces!

"It seems that the recent shots fired at the Jarinje checkpoint was done by US military at Germen forces then tried to blame the Serbs. One German was badly wounded while another was only slightly injured"

I'm not familiar with this theory. Sorry for being pedantic, but could you provide a source?

How can he ask of others to accept that which he deems unacceptable for his own people - that being autonomy? It's the height of hypocracy. Let's not play games, the KAlbs do not want the Serbs, only their land. The KAlbs have done nothing to prosecute the criminals who have murdered, raped, desecrated orthodox churches and cemeteries, and ethnically cleansed the Serbs out of Kosovo. The KAlbs PM is a gangster under whose direction Serbs AND Albanians were killed to support the human organ trade. Now all the Albanians who are willing to testify against their criminal acts are being eliminated.

I know a lot of Serbs here would like to solve Kosova/o isue in different way and sure you tried it but somehow it did not work....., but what amazes me is that you keep the same retoric again and repeat the same mistake over and over again...
Didn't we have a war about this? didn't you ignore the Albanians before and look where it got you? The elephant is in the room Serbia and sure it isn't going anywhere, arrogance is not goig to take you anywhere, period!
For all it maters you can put the whole planet earth in your costitution as many times as you want but in the end it is not going to change anything, Albanians are there, live there, been there forever and unless a miracle happen we are not going anywhere.
In my opinion Serbia and Serbs need to have a reality check regarding Kosova/o isue, they need to find a way or come up with something tha will put a lid on to this forever, it doesn't matter if it is "pandoras box" or not because sooner or later it's going to be open anyway, it is Balkan and we're too stupid not to fight with each other until we finally solve our borders.

thanks!

Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.
(trudsaam, 9 October 2011 20:24)

Capitulation of Serbia in Kumanovo back in 1999 has released Serb Forces from this worry. The power will be transfered to Serb Forces just the same way as the power in Kuwait will never be transferred to Iraqi Forces after their capitulation in 1991. You're obviously dreaming something sweet for you. Prepare yourself for reality check.

Why do posters here think that the US is on some 'point of no return'?

It shows you have no clue about the size and immensity of American power compared with any other block or country. The only exception to this is the economic size of the EU (which I think is bigger than the US in terms of GDP) - and posters here think that is somehow going to collapse too. An economic downturn is not a final collapse - nothing like - and it is scarcely going to weaken the military power of the US in comparison to most states.

The thing that did collapse was the Balkans - and it is being funded by outside sources, including the EU and the US in order to bring it back to some degree of economic normality. Even back to normality, the Balkan countries - Serbia included - are going to be tiny compared to the EU or even to other EU countries.

Don't let your prejudice against the EU or the US be translated into unrealistic assessments of their capability. Milosevic underestimated the reaction he was generating and Serbia and he both got it in the neck because of it.

For some reason , I am certain that the cards are set here so that, in any case, they leave both Serbs and Albanians miserable.

Somebody is feeding the representatives and the people of the region BS about them being right and that is making both sides draw wrong moves. I know for certain that most Serbs think that the Russians will come and sweep the Albanians from Kosovo and they they could take it back, just like this. On the other hand, the Albanians are firm about USA having their back and that the Serbs should just move out and leave their homes.

Truth is, the only nations Russia and USA think about are Russia and USA (respectively).

The only solution (from my semi-professional position) is to create a monitored 10 (or 15) year plan for stabilizing Kosovo including the return of refugees, regionalization, restitution and transparent judicial prosecution of all assumed at fault.
After the return of about 250.000 Serbs and about 50.000 other minorities and their restitution from the Kosovo authorities and a formation of a viable judicial system which would guarantee the rights of minorities Serbia should be the first country which would recognize Kosovo as an independent state.

All in all, it is better for Serbs to have a developed (as much as possible) Kosovo outside Serbia than to have a ruined province with a extremely steep crime rate and incredible unemployment rate and ethnic tensions as a part of Serbia.

"He added that the current Serbian government was continuing Milošević’s policy toward Kosovo. "
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Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.

What nonsense from a criminal this is. It's the albos fault that they are in the limbo world - for 12 years after HATO's war against the Serbs, all the albos have been doing is stealing, drug-running and brutalizing the Serbs in kosovo. If they had actually been trying to build a lawful nation, then kosovo wouldn't be the balkan gaza strip that it is. They have no credibility and when the us and eu economies collapse, so will the hellhole called today's kosovo.

"All in all, it is better for Serbs to have a developed (as much as possible) Kosovo outside Serbia than to have a ruined province with a extremely steep crime rate and incredible unemployment rate and ethnic tensions as a part of Serbia."
(Vuk Mujovic, 9 October 2011 21:21)

You are right. That was the plan for Kosovo, unfortunately, it failed (not due to Serbia, but due to corrupt Kosovo Albanian politicians and nationalistic people). So currently, we have a region with extremely steep crime rate and incredible unemployment rate and ethnic tensions as a self-proclaimed country.

Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.
(trudsaam, 9 October 2011 20:24)
Surely you realize that as long as 1244 is in force, that is totally impossible! One of the mandates of Kfor is to prevent the return of Serb Forces!
(pss, 9 October 2011 23:28)

1244 Allows the return of small numbers of Serbian troops for certain duties, amongst them, controlling the border posts

Quite simply that Kosovo politicians serve dual language to the public protection for the rights to minirity because they are in Kosovo with Serbia, but the goal is a Greater Albania. Ok let show the public the reality of how many of them emigrated to Albania in the last 60 yrs. any cute and that half of Albania came to Kosovo When you return to your Albanjians all ilegal to Albania or Serbs in Kosovo no one word ..never. Practice has shown that on the ground you and other dealwith genocid pull out 250 000 were displaced in Croatia and is applied to their schools in Kosovo. What kind of country you want in Europe at the beginning when you do sell human organs is quite normal for you because you are just criminals - in the West all you would have already been in jail like turkish Dr.

New zealander,
The difference between maintaining a presence as 1244 says and controlling a border is huge, big. 1244 envisions a couple of Serbs in uniform looking pretty and waving to the passerbys.

The only solution (from my semi-professional position) is to create a monitored 10 (or 15) year plan for stabilizing Kosovo including the return of refugees, regionalization, restitution and transparent judicial prosecution of all assumed at fault.

Vuk Mujovic


Vuk,

Is being in a semi-professional position the same as being in a semi-amateur position.

Why would anyone doing everything that was asked of the country, want to be a part of the EU and the downgrades?? Ne hvala! I will be more than happy to KEEP my OWN currency [Dinar] and identity. Give up your currency/money, give up your identity.

Yes, the constitution does, but the KPS is not protecting Serbs and downplaying incidents as actions by 'playing kids', Albanians are attacking returnees, stoning buses, desecrating churches, robbing restored houses. Theory is a nice thing, reality on the ground in Kosovo is something totally different.
(Analyst, 9 October 2011 12:19)

Let's ask a simple question. If hipothetically Kosovo decided to come back under Serbia, would Serbia grant to Albanians the same rights that K. Serbs have (on paper, at least) under Kosovo Constitution ? Would Serbia give to Albanians a veto to Serbia's constitution ?

Obviously, 1244 is still in effect. Now, just prepare yourself for when the power gets transfered to Serb Forces and all K-abl militants get disarmed.
(trudsaam, 9 October 2011 20:24)

Have you heard that 1244 will be abolished ?

The chance for norther Kosovo to be a part of Pristinas domain vanished after the pogrom of 2004 when hundreds of Serbian churches were destroyed, thousands of Serbs expelled and some killed. There will be no more "living together" with the albanians. You stay where you are and leave us Serbs alone.

We are my dear; you're the one's that are making all the troubles, if you don't like it, pls be our guests.....leave, we'll provide the moving fees......

Let's ask a simple question. If hipothetically Kosovo decided to come back under Serbia, would Serbia grant to Albanians the same rights that K. Serbs have (on paper, at least) under Kosovo Constitution ? Would Serbia give to Albanians a veto to Serbia's constitution ?
(icj1, 11 October 2011 04:58)

Could Kosovo Serbs exercise their veto power by voting against Kosovo separation from Serbia?