Boris Tadić says Serbia moved forward "dramatically" since Oct. 5, 2000 - "bearing in mind that democracy and democratic institutions were established then".
@Tom in Lazybrook, What rights do Albanians don't have in Serbia? You keep talking about Croatia and Kosovo,I'am asking you what rights do the Serbs have in ALBANIA? NOT KOSOVO MAN! and Croatia just take look at their history .
To everyone in this forum: I don' care about the Gay parade, i was talking about the situation on Kosovo and the stalemate that the Serbs and Albanians are in. As far as The EU is Concerned Serbs can care less about the EU. You all keep insisting on talking about a pride parade and because of it Serbia is not free! that's not true. Tadic says the same things that everyone knows every time he speaks, so what he says is nothing really. Again Serbs in Albania don't have any rights........
(Lazar, 6 October 2011 20:36)
Lazar, we know you don't care about how Serbia treats its minorities. Neither does Tadic. That's our point. But you do care how others treat Serbs when you are the minority.
I can't MAKE Serbia treat its minorities well or obey its' own Constitution and its' Council of Europe accession accords. But I CAN make sure that you don't abuse us in secret.
Serbia loses all credibility to whine about abuses of Serbian minorities in Croatia and Kosova when Serbia refuses to protect its' minorities. Tadic and Dacic are doing real harm to the cause of Serbian rights in Mitrovica through their actions in Belgrade.
To everyone in this forum: I don' care about the Gay parade, i was talking about the situation on Kosovo and the stalemate that the Serbs and Albanians are in. As far as The EU is Concerned Serbs can care less about the EU. You all keep insisting on talking about a pride parade and because of it Serbia is not free! that's not true. Tadic says the same things that everyone knows every time he speaks, so what he says is nothing really. Again Serbs in Albania don't have any rights........
"@Lazar Minorities have to respect the state of Serbia before they get their rights". That's what I was saying in 1991 when Martic's cronies refused to respect the country they lived in, in the end they got what they desreved.
In terms of Mr TADIC's progress, Serbia is in a bigger mess then it was in 1995 minus the gunfire. Major problems with KOSOVO that will continue for the next 50 years. Sandzak & Vojvodina pushing for more autonomy. Serbia's border dispute with Croatia and Serbia being sued by Croatia at the international tribunal. Serbia's reluctance to allow gays to express freedom. Taking 16 years to arrest the most wanted man on earth. The Serbian Government still to this day refuse to actually declare the true casualities of the JNA in Vukovar. Serbia refuses to crack down on the Zemun clan and follow E.U principles. Mr. Tadic Serbia has along way to go...!
You're wrong. NO WHERE in Europe is there the kind of negative reaction to 500 people marching 1 block. No where. You've had disruptions in Romania and in Hungary, but we're talking about 100s of protesters and 100s of police, not 5-6000 on each side.
Serbs love to minimize their problems by saying "oh, but it's the same everywhere else". It's not. Serbia is, unfortunately, "very special" in this regard.
@Lazar - So gays get to march 1 block when the Serbian flag flies throughout the Presovo valley? hmm. Interesting reasoning. Doesn't work like that though. According to Serbia's laws and international agreements to which Serbia is a signatory, groups are allowed to march 1 block. Pity Serbia is so full of thugs and their apologists.
Minorities have to respect the state of Serbia before they get their rights. These minorities have their rights especially the Albanians. When we talk about un free countries why Albania isn't mentioned minorities in albania have zero rights especially the Serbs. The Serbs can't speak their own language give their kids Serbian names, have or go to their own church,wave their national state flag of Serbia etc... The Albanians in Serbia have all that, last time I saw albos protesting in Southern Serbia all i seen is Albanian Flags yet Serbs in Albania can't do that Why?
Many of your comments could also apply to a number of EU member states where gay parades have also been banned or curtailed, there has been regular holiganism and attacks on minorites (the roma for example). In 2006 (and probably later), jews were four time more likely to be physically assaulted than moslems in London according to the Metropolitan Police. The jews kept quiet as is usual. They have thousands of years experience of being used as scapegoats and know it is best to keep their heads down.
Serbia, unfortunately, is nothing special, but unlike the rampant racism and discrimination in Europe, it has been through the wars. 'Europe' has no excuse.
"Nobody questions democracy in Serbia any more, Tadić said,"
Democracy isnt questioned because it doesnt exist!
Replace the word "democracy" with capitalism, then you might be closer to the truth.
There are however, many things that are being questioned, like massive corruption and politicians who receive massive payout from the US to betray their own people and nation!
This is not a time for Serbia to celebrate anything. There is no freedom of protest, petition, assembly, association, and expression for minorities in Serbia.
What changes have taken place in Serbia? All I see is a failed state, unable (or unwilling) to enforce the Serbian Constitutional Protections for Gay Serbs. Your capital is overrun by violent thugs. Your Interior Minister is either incompetent or (in my opinion) directly colluding with extremist groups in order to deny basic freedoms. Your police union leader is in direct collusion with anti-Gay groups dedicated to the violation of the Serbian Constitution and Serbia's accession accords to the Council of Europe. Some of your Mayors are engaged in hate speech (Jukovina) of the most disturbing detail without any correction.
Serbia should just simply say. "We are using the Russian model of due process, personal freedoms, corruption, and minority rights". Which is massive nullification to the point of rendering any constitutional protections worthless.
Maybe ffsd. What Serbia has realised after the arrest of Mladic is that it is damned if you do, damned if you dont. All it did was go revisit the modern history as told by NATO. But should there have been extremist violence at the parade,many people may have got hurt and it would be another PR disaster for Serbia.
"The democracy is no longer being questioned",
Erm excuse me?? of course this "democracy" is being questioned, by a huge amount of the Serbian population who want to know why it is that the Tadic regime barely listens to them. Please Mr Tadic, stop with the BS your regime is as corrupt as Milosevic, especially to western influences.
Serbia has no freedom of speech, petition, assembly, protest, or expression for minorities. Its "Democratic" institutions collude with extremists to ban such freedoms and/or cheerlead the failure of the state to provide basic freedoms to its' minorities (such as the police union and Dveri as well as the Mayor of Jagovina) .
Is Democracy really secure in Serbia if minorities are effectively banned from the public space? Especially when groups opposed to freedom of speech, petition, protest, and assembly for minorities are not banned from the same streets denied to those minorities.
Well, it's all relative, isn't it? But at least the president can count on his stooges to ban all public gatherings that could bring about change so he got that bit right.
"Nobody questions democracy in Serbia any more, Tadić said,"
Democracy isnt questioned because it doesnt exist!
Replace the word "democracy" with capitalism, then you might be closer to the truth.
There are however, many things that are being questioned, like massive corruption and politicians who receive massive payout from the US to betray their own people and nation!
This is not a time for Serbia to celebrate anything. There is no freedom of protest, petition, assembly, association, and expression for minorities in Serbia.
What changes have taken place in Serbia? All I see is a failed state, unable (or unwilling) to enforce the Serbian Constitutional Protections for Gay Serbs. Your capital is overrun by violent thugs. Your Interior Minister is either incompetent or (in my opinion) directly colluding with extremist groups in order to deny basic freedoms. Your police union leader is in direct collusion with anti-Gay groups dedicated to the violation of the Serbian Constitution and Serbia's accession accords to the Council of Europe. Some of your Mayors are engaged in hate speech (Jukovina) of the most disturbing detail without any correction.
Serbia should just simply say. "We are using the Russian model of due process, personal freedoms, corruption, and minority rights". Which is massive nullification to the point of rendering any constitutional protections worthless.
Minorities have to respect the state of Serbia before they get their rights. These minorities have their rights especially the Albanians. When we talk about un free countries why Albania isn't mentioned minorities in albania have zero rights especially the Serbs. The Serbs can't speak their own language give their kids Serbian names, have or go to their own church,wave their national state flag of Serbia etc... The Albanians in Serbia have all that, last time I saw albos protesting in Southern Serbia all i seen is Albanian Flags yet Serbs in Albania can't do that Why?
You're wrong. NO WHERE in Europe is there the kind of negative reaction to 500 people marching 1 block. No where. You've had disruptions in Romania and in Hungary, but we're talking about 100s of protesters and 100s of police, not 5-6000 on each side.
Serbs love to minimize their problems by saying "oh, but it's the same everywhere else". It's not. Serbia is, unfortunately, "very special" in this regard.
@Lazar - So gays get to march 1 block when the Serbian flag flies throughout the Presovo valley? hmm. Interesting reasoning. Doesn't work like that though. According to Serbia's laws and international agreements to which Serbia is a signatory, groups are allowed to march 1 block. Pity Serbia is so full of thugs and their apologists.
"@Lazar Minorities have to respect the state of Serbia before they get their rights". That's what I was saying in 1991 when Martic's cronies refused to respect the country they lived in, in the end they got what they desreved.
In terms of Mr TADIC's progress, Serbia is in a bigger mess then it was in 1995 minus the gunfire. Major problems with KOSOVO that will continue for the next 50 years. Sandzak & Vojvodina pushing for more autonomy. Serbia's border dispute with Croatia and Serbia being sued by Croatia at the international tribunal. Serbia's reluctance to allow gays to express freedom. Taking 16 years to arrest the most wanted man on earth. The Serbian Government still to this day refuse to actually declare the true casualities of the JNA in Vukovar. Serbia refuses to crack down on the Zemun clan and follow E.U principles. Mr. Tadic Serbia has along way to go...!
Many of your comments could also apply to a number of EU member states where gay parades have also been banned or curtailed, there has been regular holiganism and attacks on minorites (the roma for example). In 2006 (and probably later), jews were four time more likely to be physically assaulted than moslems in London according to the Metropolitan Police. The jews kept quiet as is usual. They have thousands of years experience of being used as scapegoats and know it is best to keep their heads down.
Serbia, unfortunately, is nothing special, but unlike the rampant racism and discrimination in Europe, it has been through the wars. 'Europe' has no excuse.
Serbia has no freedom of speech, petition, assembly, protest, or expression for minorities. Its "Democratic" institutions collude with extremists to ban such freedoms and/or cheerlead the failure of the state to provide basic freedoms to its' minorities (such as the police union and Dveri as well as the Mayor of Jagovina) .
Is Democracy really secure in Serbia if minorities are effectively banned from the public space? Especially when groups opposed to freedom of speech, petition, protest, and assembly for minorities are not banned from the same streets denied to those minorities.
"The democracy is no longer being questioned",
Erm excuse me?? of course this "democracy" is being questioned, by a huge amount of the Serbian population who want to know why it is that the Tadic regime barely listens to them. Please Mr Tadic, stop with the BS your regime is as corrupt as Milosevic, especially to western influences.
Maybe ffsd. What Serbia has realised after the arrest of Mladic is that it is damned if you do, damned if you dont. All it did was go revisit the modern history as told by NATO. But should there have been extremist violence at the parade,many people may have got hurt and it would be another PR disaster for Serbia.
To everyone in this forum: I don' care about the Gay parade, i was talking about the situation on Kosovo and the stalemate that the Serbs and Albanians are in. As far as The EU is Concerned Serbs can care less about the EU. You all keep insisting on talking about a pride parade and because of it Serbia is not free! that's not true. Tadic says the same things that everyone knows every time he speaks, so what he says is nothing really. Again Serbs in Albania don't have any rights........
Well, it's all relative, isn't it? But at least the president can count on his stooges to ban all public gatherings that could bring about change so he got that bit right.
To everyone in this forum: I don' care about the Gay parade, i was talking about the situation on Kosovo and the stalemate that the Serbs and Albanians are in. As far as The EU is Concerned Serbs can care less about the EU. You all keep insisting on talking about a pride parade and because of it Serbia is not free! that's not true. Tadic says the same things that everyone knows every time he speaks, so what he says is nothing really. Again Serbs in Albania don't have any rights........
(Lazar, 6 October 2011 20:36)
Lazar, we know you don't care about how Serbia treats its minorities. Neither does Tadic. That's our point. But you do care how others treat Serbs when you are the minority.
I can't MAKE Serbia treat its minorities well or obey its' own Constitution and its' Council of Europe accession accords. But I CAN make sure that you don't abuse us in secret.
Serbia loses all credibility to whine about abuses of Serbian minorities in Croatia and Kosova when Serbia refuses to protect its' minorities. Tadic and Dacic are doing real harm to the cause of Serbian rights in Mitrovica through their actions in Belgrade.
@Tom in Lazybrook, What rights do Albanians don't have in Serbia? You keep talking about Croatia and Kosovo,I'am asking you what rights do the Serbs have in ALBANIA? NOT KOSOVO MAN! and Croatia just take look at their history .
This is not a time for Serbia to celebrate anything. There is no freedom of protest, petition, assembly, association, and expression for minorities in Serbia.
What changes have taken place in Serbia? All I see is a failed state, unable (or unwilling) to enforce the Serbian Constitutional Protections for Gay Serbs. Your capital is overrun by violent thugs. Your Interior Minister is either incompetent or (in my opinion) directly colluding with extremist groups in order to deny basic freedoms. Your police union leader is in direct collusion with anti-Gay groups dedicated to the violation of the Serbian Constitution and Serbia's accession accords to the Council of Europe. Some of your Mayors are engaged in hate speech (Jukovina) of the most disturbing detail without any correction.
Serbia should just simply say. "We are using the Russian model of due process, personal freedoms, corruption, and minority rights". Which is massive nullification to the point of rendering any constitutional protections worthless.
Well, it's all relative, isn't it? But at least the president can count on his stooges to ban all public gatherings that could bring about change so he got that bit right.
Serbia has no freedom of speech, petition, assembly, protest, or expression for minorities. Its "Democratic" institutions collude with extremists to ban such freedoms and/or cheerlead the failure of the state to provide basic freedoms to its' minorities (such as the police union and Dveri as well as the Mayor of Jagovina) .
Is Democracy really secure in Serbia if minorities are effectively banned from the public space? Especially when groups opposed to freedom of speech, petition, protest, and assembly for minorities are not banned from the same streets denied to those minorities.
"The democracy is no longer being questioned",
Erm excuse me?? of course this "democracy" is being questioned, by a huge amount of the Serbian population who want to know why it is that the Tadic regime barely listens to them. Please Mr Tadic, stop with the BS your regime is as corrupt as Milosevic, especially to western influences.
To everyone in this forum: I don' care about the Gay parade, i was talking about the situation on Kosovo and the stalemate that the Serbs and Albanians are in. As far as The EU is Concerned Serbs can care less about the EU. You all keep insisting on talking about a pride parade and because of it Serbia is not free! that's not true. Tadic says the same things that everyone knows every time he speaks, so what he says is nothing really. Again Serbs in Albania don't have any rights........
"Nobody questions democracy in Serbia any more, Tadić said,"
Democracy isnt questioned because it doesnt exist!
Replace the word "democracy" with capitalism, then you might be closer to the truth.
There are however, many things that are being questioned, like massive corruption and politicians who receive massive payout from the US to betray their own people and nation!
Minorities have to respect the state of Serbia before they get their rights. These minorities have their rights especially the Albanians. When we talk about un free countries why Albania isn't mentioned minorities in albania have zero rights especially the Serbs. The Serbs can't speak their own language give their kids Serbian names, have or go to their own church,wave their national state flag of Serbia etc... The Albanians in Serbia have all that, last time I saw albos protesting in Southern Serbia all i seen is Albanian Flags yet Serbs in Albania can't do that Why?
You're wrong. NO WHERE in Europe is there the kind of negative reaction to 500 people marching 1 block. No where. You've had disruptions in Romania and in Hungary, but we're talking about 100s of protesters and 100s of police, not 5-6000 on each side.
Serbs love to minimize their problems by saying "oh, but it's the same everywhere else". It's not. Serbia is, unfortunately, "very special" in this regard.
@Lazar - So gays get to march 1 block when the Serbian flag flies throughout the Presovo valley? hmm. Interesting reasoning. Doesn't work like that though. According to Serbia's laws and international agreements to which Serbia is a signatory, groups are allowed to march 1 block. Pity Serbia is so full of thugs and their apologists.
"@Lazar Minorities have to respect the state of Serbia before they get their rights". That's what I was saying in 1991 when Martic's cronies refused to respect the country they lived in, in the end they got what they desreved.
In terms of Mr TADIC's progress, Serbia is in a bigger mess then it was in 1995 minus the gunfire. Major problems with KOSOVO that will continue for the next 50 years. Sandzak & Vojvodina pushing for more autonomy. Serbia's border dispute with Croatia and Serbia being sued by Croatia at the international tribunal. Serbia's reluctance to allow gays to express freedom. Taking 16 years to arrest the most wanted man on earth. The Serbian Government still to this day refuse to actually declare the true casualities of the JNA in Vukovar. Serbia refuses to crack down on the Zemun clan and follow E.U principles. Mr. Tadic Serbia has along way to go...!
To everyone in this forum: I don' care about the Gay parade, i was talking about the situation on Kosovo and the stalemate that the Serbs and Albanians are in. As far as The EU is Concerned Serbs can care less about the EU. You all keep insisting on talking about a pride parade and because of it Serbia is not free! that's not true. Tadic says the same things that everyone knows every time he speaks, so what he says is nothing really. Again Serbs in Albania don't have any rights........
(Lazar, 6 October 2011 20:36)
Lazar, we know you don't care about how Serbia treats its minorities. Neither does Tadic. That's our point. But you do care how others treat Serbs when you are the minority.
I can't MAKE Serbia treat its minorities well or obey its' own Constitution and its' Council of Europe accession accords. But I CAN make sure that you don't abuse us in secret.
Serbia loses all credibility to whine about abuses of Serbian minorities in Croatia and Kosova when Serbia refuses to protect its' minorities. Tadic and Dacic are doing real harm to the cause of Serbian rights in Mitrovica through their actions in Belgrade.
Maybe ffsd. What Serbia has realised after the arrest of Mladic is that it is damned if you do, damned if you dont. All it did was go revisit the modern history as told by NATO. But should there have been extremist violence at the parade,many people may have got hurt and it would be another PR disaster for Serbia.
Many of your comments could also apply to a number of EU member states where gay parades have also been banned or curtailed, there has been regular holiganism and attacks on minorites (the roma for example). In 2006 (and probably later), jews were four time more likely to be physically assaulted than moslems in London according to the Metropolitan Police. The jews kept quiet as is usual. They have thousands of years experience of being used as scapegoats and know it is best to keep their heads down.
Serbia, unfortunately, is nothing special, but unlike the rampant racism and discrimination in Europe, it has been through the wars. 'Europe' has no excuse.
@Tom in Lazybrook, What rights do Albanians don't have in Serbia? You keep talking about Croatia and Kosovo,I'am asking you what rights do the Serbs have in ALBANIA? NOT KOSOVO MAN! and Croatia just take look at their history .
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