UN: Syria resolution vetoed, U.S. outraged

Well boys and girls I’m convinced that both China and Russia are going to lose a mountain of sleep since learning of the US outrage.
If no one will tell the Emperor that he has no cloths then here is the message – US tell someone who cares about your outrage.
Like a petulant child that has got used to having its own way for so long it can’t come to terms that it’s no longer a real force in this world and has to make big compromises otherwise its irrelevance is only going to get bigger by the days.

The USA outrages the world on a daily basis - let them be outraged for once. These tyrants (America) is worse than any middle eastern despot.

This is a proof that the americans and it's western european thugs will not always get what they want. Russia and China are still have a voice in the UN. Salute to the "BRIC" countries.

Dam they already produced extra DU bombs to use on Syria

"Lol...just as the US cares about what Russia says relating to Kosovo when they veto every Russian declaration at every UNSC meeting LOL

(Hans, 5 October 2011 10:43)"

So a case of the Yankees getting a taste of their own medicine. And it couldn't have come sooner.

These despicable Yankees would do well to remember their "outrage" when they eventually veto Palestine's UN application as they have already stated that they would.

And I don't think the Chinese and Russians really care 2 hoots about Yankee feelings. This should also be a wake up call to those on B92 who, I recalled, like to state now and then that the Chinese and Russians will abstain if they are in a minority -- well, what counterproof do you need than this? They were the only ones who voted against the Syrian resolution -- and killed it.

It looks like the Ruskies and Chinese have finally drawn a line. No further expansion of the US towards its borders.

"Susan Rice, US ambassador to the UN did not mince her words: “This is not about military intervention, this is not about Libya. That is a cheap ruse by those who’d rather sell arms to the Syrian regime than stand with the Syrian people.”

Oh the hypocrisy!! My God, have these yanks no shame?? Nooo, the US never sells arms to dictators do they?? Why do you yanks support a family run backward, repressive, (at least 500 years behind) regime in Saudi Arabia? Why do you yanks sell billions of dollars of your weapons to them?
Pretty much the only manufacturing industry left in the US is, guess what, the defense industry! AKA the military industrial complex. Maybe Ms. Rice is just miffed that the Russians are selling weapons to Syria and are taking good business away from the US.
Go ahead, be outraged I say. What are you going to to about it? Nothing, that's right, nothing, because you're broke, on the road to bankruptcy, and you need Chinese money and you need Russian resources, because you have none of your own. There is a slow shift in the balance of power people, and you have witnessed an inkling of it right here.
Cheers!!

"Susan Rice, US ambassador to the UN did not mince her words: “This is not about military intervention, this is not about Libya. That is a cheap ruse by those who’d rather sell arms to the Syrian regime than stand with the Syrian people.” "

Supporting extremists, bringing down gvts, buying all their wealth for nothing, and finally enslave them via loans is the correct way. Selling weapons to legal gvmts?? NO!!! this is "cheap ruse"...

what else to say, they think we are all idiots... or cheer-leaders ....

another of Serbia's brother down something like this [link] .
(Lenard, 5 October 2011 10:41)

The reality link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcQoQDkhbYw

looks like Prishtinë of Kosova Republic in few years. Yanks running like rats and the local pariah try to run with them. Maybe snake can have a pizzeria in Alabamia.

ANyway, it's just a matter of months until Assad comes down, you can't govern undefinitely people who can't stand u (Kosovo...)

(Hans, 5 October 2011 10:43)

Agreed, Hans. That is exactly what Serbs in the north of Kosovo have been saying:)

Meti,

Where is the outrage at the US supplying weapons to Bahrain? This is the same Bahrain that has been bringing in Saudi mercenaries to kill protestors and shoot and/or imprison the doctors that try and aid the wounded? Clearly, the US is only taking the moral high ground when convenient, just as Russia!

Well I'm a supporter of the Arab Spring, whilst being against US imperialism, so its no easy task to know what position to take.

What I do know is that Asad needs to fall - he has consistently failed to reform / moderate his rule even though it would be the right thing to do for his people. The problem for these dictators is always the same - they face a choice of going the Gorbachev route - reforming and losing power over a relatively short period of time, or going all out brutal hoping to hang on to power for the forseeable future.

ooh noooo u.s. is outraged watch out everybody... hope you like that veto in your face!

Where are all the Albos now to site here and shout "Russia and China have NO POWER!"

Eat it.

It doesn't matter what the resolution says, the west takes it as a carte blanche to authorize all actions they 'consider necessary'. This has happened over and over again. The real story here is not Russia & China's veto, which both vetoing it means they cover each other's back so the 'outrage' has to be shared, nor BRICs voting differently (it is more a group of countries acting in consensus rather than a unified blok as some people deliberately misrepresent), the real story is that the West now actually respects and wants a UN mandate for its actions, whereas in the past it ignored it at will.

That they want the figleaf of legitimacy shows how much the world has changed and power has moved to the east since 1989. I strongly suspect that they also knew that any such vote would be vetoed so they deliberately exaggerated demands for domestic and international political reasons, i.e. 'morals', 'Democracy' etc.

By the way, now that the rebel Libyan army is in the process of exterminating Gadaffi's home town of Sirte, where is the great moral outcry? The West claimed they needed to intervene in Libya to "Stop a Srebrenica happening in Benghazi", yet Sirte which is staunchly pro-Ghadaffi is fair game. Reports from the rebels say that NATO has told them to wait rather than than steaming on in. This tells us that NATO is terrified of a large scale massacre of civilians by the rebels for which NATO would legally also be responsible if they did not use their influence to stop war crimes where they have the means and the suspicion that they may be committed. Still, pro-Ghadaffi civilians are only 'fleeing' Sirte according to the media rather than being cleansed. You stay, you die, you leave, you live. That is the moral and acceptable way of warfare when the West supports it but is unacceptable and a war crime when practiced by the wrong side.

East is West and West is East and never the twain shall meet.

That's ok, the US produces "outrage" everytime it protects its friends in Kosovo and Israel. They're the last people to get angry since they started this pattern of self-interest :)

I say we go in their and kick some Syrian dictators scumbag ass with his brainless murdering boot licking twits. If Russia and China are wanting a piece of a good whooping also they know where to come and get it. Come in low hot and fast make short order of the twits what do you think sj another of Serbia's brother down something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVor2Xm8qg0&feature=related .

I see the keyboard gladiators are already at it. I wonder where do you actually live, why don't you go to Russia or China and criticise them openly and see what happens....
I accept that our democratic system is not perfect but is by far better then the alternative.

furthermore, i wonder whether you thought why did this two authoritarian regimes have vetoed the move, it was nothing to do with sending a message to their own oppressed people that heir view does not matter.

If no one will tell the Emperor that he has no cloths then here is the message – US tell someone who cares about your outrage.
Like a petulant child that has got used to having its own way for so long it can’t come to terms that it’s no longer a real force in this world and has to make big compromises otherwise its irrelevance is only going to get bigger by the days.
(sj, 5 October 2011 09:48)

Lol...just as the US cares about what Russia says relating to Kosovo when they veto every Russian declaration at every UNSC meeting LOL

But as to Syria, I wouldn't sleep too quiet if I were a Russian... because Lybia, once supported by Putin, now LOST all oil an arms related contracts...which amounted to BILLIONS...
We, Europeans, thank them LOL...

ANyway, it's just a matter of months until Assad comes down, you can't govern undefinitely people who can't stand u (Kosovo...) but on the other hands, contrary to Lybia, Syria has nothing to offer, no gas, no oil and no money, just enough to buy some poor-equipped outdated russian MIGs...keep them...

Who cares? Sanctions are still going to be placed against Syria regardless if it has UN approval or not.

The US is just kicking and screaming like a spoilt child for not getting their own way.

One-Two-Three-Four I predict a veto war...

"This is a proof that the americans and it's western european thugs will not always get what they want. Russia and China are still have a voice in the UN. Salute to the "BRIC" countries.
(PRO-SERBIA, 5 October 2011 10:30)"

That is funny because Brazil and India voted in favour of the resolution as did South Africa which is apart of "BRICS".

US Outraged over Chinese and Russian Veto...how many times has the US used it's Veto for Isreal to suppress the legitmate rights of the Palestinians? OVER 50? What a joke, what an utter sham, travesty of justice. Can't we simply agree that the system is totally broke beyond repair?

"Susan Rice, US ambassador to the UN did not mince her words: “This is not about military intervention, this is not about Libya. That is a cheap ruse by those who’d rather sell arms to the Syrian regime than stand with the Syrian people.”

She's right, but the cheap US vetoes against any UN resolution against Israel whatever it does or against condemning Kosovo unilateral moves are not any better - all done for cheap reasons, and not out of principles.

Anyway, Assad loses support from Turkey and other countries in the middle east, which will be much more important in the end.

That is funny because Brazil and India voted in favour of the resolution as did South Africa which is apart of "BRICS".
(Ian, UK, 5 October 2011 16:23)

That's right. I do not believe in BRICS. Why :
Brazil = puppet of the Vatican (=west)
India = puppet of UK (=west)
South Africa = puppet of Holland/UK (=west)

That leaves us with Russia/China. Now China has a 100% incompatible culture than europe.
The only way is for Slavs to wake up... If their idiotic leaders/media ever let them do so.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA poor us diplomats have to learn how to play ball. This is what happens when you make unilateral military actions - Assad wins if Gaddafi loses. What a hypocrite little suzi is - the us is the biggest arms dealer in the world.

The reason for the veto has nothing to do with showing the west! There is a trend emerging and with the internet comes global knowledge. With successful uprisings in countries that have a history of human right abuses China and Russia knows it is self defeating to support this.
Both China and Russia have risen economically but it is not the gvt control money of the past. You have seen the numbers of millionaires and billionaires in these countries rise significantly.
Rich people and gvt control mix like water and oil. Thus you see most securing assets and ties outside of the countries, in order to provide an escape for them and their families in the event of nationalization of their holdings, which is inevitable. Why? Because both countries rank high on the corruption scale which means with money you can buy a few generals, etc, and should the populance tire of the present regime. It may not be pretty.
So news of successful revolutions with international support is not something they need to have flowing within their boundaries.

ian, please refer to the following:
http://news.yahoo.com/un-motion-not-ease-syria-situation-china-055801403.html
South Africa, India, Brazil and Lebanon abstained.

since you're from the uk, i don't think i need to define the term abstained. just so that we all know that abstaining is not at all what you claimed. brazil and india did not vote in favour. they did not vote period. i could easily have said that they voted against by abstaining as to not ruffle any feathers, but i won't attempt to provide some conspiracy theory. they simply said we don't wish to offer our opinion.

Lenard

Well Syria has oil so I don't know what America is waiting for. Besides, Croatia is a NATO member so get your boots and rifle and get on that boat heading for Syria. Or perhaps you wanted to give Assad an ass kicking by sending someone elses soilders to die?

Englebert,

I never claimed that western democracy is perfect, there are flaws and we need to stand up to and stand up we do. We are free to voice our opinions and concerns openly. Am afraid you cannot say the same for the Russian and Chinese people...

But what is fundamentally wrong, parading this veto as a success in a face of human suffering in Syria.

Yes I agree that our imperfect democratic governments should and could have done more but engaging in an 'eye for an eye' is not the best way forward and we both know that. I just hope that people that aspire to freedom get there with little help and sympathy form other fellow human and rational beings.

meti,
just try to voice your opinion in the west today. pick a really sticky topic and see how free you are. ask some of the occupy wall street protesters who are constitutionally protected to demonstate how free they were. ask them how free it felt to be locked up. ask them how free it was to be pepper sprayed for peacefully demonstrating their opinions. it looks like usa has caught up to russia and china in this respect mate.

ask yourself why if there were and still are numerous people willing to fight for and die for col. gadaffi and his 'regime' that you've never heard their opinion or view point. perhaps things aren't as you've been told they are.

"an outraged US counter claimed their veto was political."
well, duh! One doesn't need to be a genius to realise that. Even american politician should be able to connect the dots.

US romantic civil upheaval twarted at the security counsil ?.

The US Humanitarian Socilaists Romanticism never denie itself.
Those are the Usefull Idiots spoken about by Lenin.

A comparison -

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10372#.To1aJnLt5Aw

Those Useful Idiots never learn and will always be Idiots and never usefull depending on from whos side you look.

Arn.Sweden.

I say we go in their and kick some Syrian dictators scumbag ass with his brainless murdering boot licking twits. If Russia and China are wanting a piece of a good whooping also they know where to come and get it. Come in low hot and fast make short order of the twits what do you think sj another of Serbia's brother down something like this [link] .
(Lenard, 5 October 2011 10:41)

Here is tip Lenard; Libya is not over yet. Your freedom-loving west supported Al Qaida elements in the Libyan Rebels who were fighting Gaddafi. If you look even closer you will see that the man in charge of military activity for the rebels is an old Al Quid follower who was captured and tortured by the US several years ago.

Even al Qaida could not believe the US could be so stupid as to give them support to topple Gaddafi and neither do I. It would have taken years if at all without western assistance.

That is funny because Brazil and India voted in favour of the resolution as did South Africa which is apart of "BRICS".
(Ian, UK, 5 October 2011 16:23)

That's right. I do not believe in BRICS. Why :
Brazil = puppet of the Vatican (=west)
India = puppet of UK (=west)
South Africa = puppet of Holland/UK (=west)

That leaves us with Russia/China. Now China has a 100% incompatible culture than europe.
The only way is for Slavs to wake up... If their idiotic leaders/media ever let them do so.

I say we go in their and kick some Syrian dictators scumbag ass with his brainless murdering boot licking twits. If Russia and China are wanting a piece of a good whooping also they know where to come and get it. Come in low hot and fast make short order of the twits what do you think sj another of Serbia's brother down something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVor2Xm8qg0&feature=related .

"Susan Rice, US ambassador to the UN did not mince her words: “This is not about military intervention, this is not about Libya. That is a cheap ruse by those who’d rather sell arms to the Syrian regime than stand with the Syrian people.” "

Supporting extremists, bringing down gvts, buying all their wealth for nothing, and finally enslave them via loans is the correct way. Selling weapons to legal gvmts?? NO!!! this is "cheap ruse"...

what else to say, they think we are all idiots... or cheer-leaders ....

If no one will tell the Emperor that he has no cloths then here is the message – US tell someone who cares about your outrage.
Like a petulant child that has got used to having its own way for so long it can’t come to terms that it’s no longer a real force in this world and has to make big compromises otherwise its irrelevance is only going to get bigger by the days.
(sj, 5 October 2011 09:48)

Lol...just as the US cares about what Russia says relating to Kosovo when they veto every Russian declaration at every UNSC meeting LOL

But as to Syria, I wouldn't sleep too quiet if I were a Russian... because Lybia, once supported by Putin, now LOST all oil an arms related contracts...which amounted to BILLIONS...
We, Europeans, thank them LOL...

ANyway, it's just a matter of months until Assad comes down, you can't govern undefinitely people who can't stand u (Kosovo...) but on the other hands, contrary to Lybia, Syria has nothing to offer, no gas, no oil and no money, just enough to buy some poor-equipped outdated russian MIGs...keep them...

I see the keyboard gladiators are already at it. I wonder where do you actually live, why don't you go to Russia or China and criticise them openly and see what happens....
I accept that our democratic system is not perfect but is by far better then the alternative.

furthermore, i wonder whether you thought why did this two authoritarian regimes have vetoed the move, it was nothing to do with sending a message to their own oppressed people that heir view does not matter.

Well I'm a supporter of the Arab Spring, whilst being against US imperialism, so its no easy task to know what position to take.

What I do know is that Asad needs to fall - he has consistently failed to reform / moderate his rule even though it would be the right thing to do for his people. The problem for these dictators is always the same - they face a choice of going the Gorbachev route - reforming and losing power over a relatively short period of time, or going all out brutal hoping to hang on to power for the forseeable future.

Who cares? Sanctions are still going to be placed against Syria regardless if it has UN approval or not.

The US is just kicking and screaming like a spoilt child for not getting their own way.

One-Two-Three-Four I predict a veto war...

"This is a proof that the americans and it's western european thugs will not always get what they want. Russia and China are still have a voice in the UN. Salute to the "BRIC" countries.
(PRO-SERBIA, 5 October 2011 10:30)"

That is funny because Brazil and India voted in favour of the resolution as did South Africa which is apart of "BRICS".

This is a proof that the americans and it's western european thugs will not always get what they want. Russia and China are still have a voice in the UN. Salute to the "BRIC" countries.

The USA outrages the world on a daily basis - let them be outraged for once. These tyrants (America) is worse than any middle eastern despot.

Well boys and girls I’m convinced that both China and Russia are going to lose a mountain of sleep since learning of the US outrage.
If no one will tell the Emperor that he has no cloths then here is the message – US tell someone who cares about your outrage.
Like a petulant child that has got used to having its own way for so long it can’t come to terms that it’s no longer a real force in this world and has to make big compromises otherwise its irrelevance is only going to get bigger by the days.

That's ok, the US produces "outrage" everytime it protects its friends in Kosovo and Israel. They're the last people to get angry since they started this pattern of self-interest :)

Englebert,

I never claimed that western democracy is perfect, there are flaws and we need to stand up to and stand up we do. We are free to voice our opinions and concerns openly. Am afraid you cannot say the same for the Russian and Chinese people...

But what is fundamentally wrong, parading this veto as a success in a face of human suffering in Syria.

Yes I agree that our imperfect democratic governments should and could have done more but engaging in an 'eye for an eye' is not the best way forward and we both know that. I just hope that people that aspire to freedom get there with little help and sympathy form other fellow human and rational beings.

It looks like the Ruskies and Chinese have finally drawn a line. No further expansion of the US towards its borders.

"Susan Rice, US ambassador to the UN did not mince her words: “This is not about military intervention, this is not about Libya. That is a cheap ruse by those who’d rather sell arms to the Syrian regime than stand with the Syrian people.”

Oh the hypocrisy!! My God, have these yanks no shame?? Nooo, the US never sells arms to dictators do they?? Why do you yanks support a family run backward, repressive, (at least 500 years behind) regime in Saudi Arabia? Why do you yanks sell billions of dollars of your weapons to them?
Pretty much the only manufacturing industry left in the US is, guess what, the defense industry! AKA the military industrial complex. Maybe Ms. Rice is just miffed that the Russians are selling weapons to Syria and are taking good business away from the US.
Go ahead, be outraged I say. What are you going to to about it? Nothing, that's right, nothing, because you're broke, on the road to bankruptcy, and you need Chinese money and you need Russian resources, because you have none of your own. There is a slow shift in the balance of power people, and you have witnessed an inkling of it right here.
Cheers!!

Where are all the Albos now to site here and shout "Russia and China have NO POWER!"

Eat it.

The reason for the veto has nothing to do with showing the west! There is a trend emerging and with the internet comes global knowledge. With successful uprisings in countries that have a history of human right abuses China and Russia knows it is self defeating to support this.
Both China and Russia have risen economically but it is not the gvt control money of the past. You have seen the numbers of millionaires and billionaires in these countries rise significantly.
Rich people and gvt control mix like water and oil. Thus you see most securing assets and ties outside of the countries, in order to provide an escape for them and their families in the event of nationalization of their holdings, which is inevitable. Why? Because both countries rank high on the corruption scale which means with money you can buy a few generals, etc, and should the populance tire of the present regime. It may not be pretty.
So news of successful revolutions with international support is not something they need to have flowing within their boundaries.

Lenard

Well Syria has oil so I don't know what America is waiting for. Besides, Croatia is a NATO member so get your boots and rifle and get on that boat heading for Syria. Or perhaps you wanted to give Assad an ass kicking by sending someone elses soilders to die?

US Outraged over Chinese and Russian Veto...how many times has the US used it's Veto for Isreal to suppress the legitmate rights of the Palestinians? OVER 50? What a joke, what an utter sham, travesty of justice. Can't we simply agree that the system is totally broke beyond repair?

These despicable Yankees would do well to remember their "outrage" when they eventually veto Palestine's UN application as they have already stated that they would.

And I don't think the Chinese and Russians really care 2 hoots about Yankee feelings. This should also be a wake up call to those on B92 who, I recalled, like to state now and then that the Chinese and Russians will abstain if they are in a minority -- well, what counterproof do you need than this? They were the only ones who voted against the Syrian resolution -- and killed it.

"Lol...just as the US cares about what Russia says relating to Kosovo when they veto every Russian declaration at every UNSC meeting LOL

(Hans, 5 October 2011 10:43)"

So a case of the Yankees getting a taste of their own medicine. And it couldn't have come sooner.

ooh noooo u.s. is outraged watch out everybody... hope you like that veto in your face!

another of Serbia's brother down something like this [link] .
(Lenard, 5 October 2011 10:41)

The reality link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcQoQDkhbYw

looks like Prishtinë of Kosova Republic in few years. Yanks running like rats and the local pariah try to run with them. Maybe snake can have a pizzeria in Alabamia.

"Susan Rice, US ambassador to the UN did not mince her words: “This is not about military intervention, this is not about Libya. That is a cheap ruse by those who’d rather sell arms to the Syrian regime than stand with the Syrian people.”

She's right, but the cheap US vetoes against any UN resolution against Israel whatever it does or against condemning Kosovo unilateral moves are not any better - all done for cheap reasons, and not out of principles.

Anyway, Assad loses support from Turkey and other countries in the middle east, which will be much more important in the end.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA poor us diplomats have to learn how to play ball. This is what happens when you make unilateral military actions - Assad wins if Gaddafi loses. What a hypocrite little suzi is - the us is the biggest arms dealer in the world.

ian, please refer to the following:
http://news.yahoo.com/un-motion-not-ease-syria-situation-china-055801403.html
South Africa, India, Brazil and Lebanon abstained.

since you're from the uk, i don't think i need to define the term abstained. just so that we all know that abstaining is not at all what you claimed. brazil and india did not vote in favour. they did not vote period. i could easily have said that they voted against by abstaining as to not ruffle any feathers, but i won't attempt to provide some conspiracy theory. they simply said we don't wish to offer our opinion.

Dam they already produced extra DU bombs to use on Syria

meti,
just try to voice your opinion in the west today. pick a really sticky topic and see how free you are. ask some of the occupy wall street protesters who are constitutionally protected to demonstate how free they were. ask them how free it felt to be locked up. ask them how free it was to be pepper sprayed for peacefully demonstrating their opinions. it looks like usa has caught up to russia and china in this respect mate.

ask yourself why if there were and still are numerous people willing to fight for and die for col. gadaffi and his 'regime' that you've never heard their opinion or view point. perhaps things aren't as you've been told they are.

ANyway, it's just a matter of months until Assad comes down, you can't govern undefinitely people who can't stand u (Kosovo...)

(Hans, 5 October 2011 10:43)

Agreed, Hans. That is exactly what Serbs in the north of Kosovo have been saying:)

Meti,

Where is the outrage at the US supplying weapons to Bahrain? This is the same Bahrain that has been bringing in Saudi mercenaries to kill protestors and shoot and/or imprison the doctors that try and aid the wounded? Clearly, the US is only taking the moral high ground when convenient, just as Russia!

It doesn't matter what the resolution says, the west takes it as a carte blanche to authorize all actions they 'consider necessary'. This has happened over and over again. The real story here is not Russia & China's veto, which both vetoing it means they cover each other's back so the 'outrage' has to be shared, nor BRICs voting differently (it is more a group of countries acting in consensus rather than a unified blok as some people deliberately misrepresent), the real story is that the West now actually respects and wants a UN mandate for its actions, whereas in the past it ignored it at will.

That they want the figleaf of legitimacy shows how much the world has changed and power has moved to the east since 1989. I strongly suspect that they also knew that any such vote would be vetoed so they deliberately exaggerated demands for domestic and international political reasons, i.e. 'morals', 'Democracy' etc.

By the way, now that the rebel Libyan army is in the process of exterminating Gadaffi's home town of Sirte, where is the great moral outcry? The West claimed they needed to intervene in Libya to "Stop a Srebrenica happening in Benghazi", yet Sirte which is staunchly pro-Ghadaffi is fair game. Reports from the rebels say that NATO has told them to wait rather than than steaming on in. This tells us that NATO is terrified of a large scale massacre of civilians by the rebels for which NATO would legally also be responsible if they did not use their influence to stop war crimes where they have the means and the suspicion that they may be committed. Still, pro-Ghadaffi civilians are only 'fleeing' Sirte according to the media rather than being cleansed. You stay, you die, you leave, you live. That is the moral and acceptable way of warfare when the West supports it but is unacceptable and a war crime when practiced by the wrong side.

East is West and West is East and never the twain shall meet.

"an outraged US counter claimed their veto was political."
well, duh! One doesn't need to be a genius to realise that. Even american politician should be able to connect the dots.

US romantic civil upheaval twarted at the security counsil ?.

The US Humanitarian Socilaists Romanticism never denie itself.
Those are the Usefull Idiots spoken about by Lenin.

A comparison -

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10372#.To1aJnLt5Aw

Those Useful Idiots never learn and will always be Idiots and never usefull depending on from whos side you look.

Arn.Sweden.

I say we go in their and kick some Syrian dictators scumbag ass with his brainless murdering boot licking twits. If Russia and China are wanting a piece of a good whooping also they know where to come and get it. Come in low hot and fast make short order of the twits what do you think sj another of Serbia's brother down something like this [link] .
(Lenard, 5 October 2011 10:41)

Here is tip Lenard; Libya is not over yet. Your freedom-loving west supported Al Qaida elements in the Libyan Rebels who were fighting Gaddafi. If you look even closer you will see that the man in charge of military activity for the rebels is an old Al Quid follower who was captured and tortured by the US several years ago.

Even al Qaida could not believe the US could be so stupid as to give them support to topple Gaddafi and neither do I. It would have taken years if at all without western assistance.